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Author Topic: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?  (Read 5224 times)

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Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
« on: April 12, 2019, 10:27:12 pm »
The U.S.A. has been an Oligarchy FROM THE START, as Gore vidal states in te following interview (notice the date of the interview). After 911, the FANGS of that Fascist Warmongering U.S. Oligarchy👹 came out in the "Patriot" Act for the express purpose of destroying any remaining semblance of Liberty afforded to Americans.

August 1, 2007

Gore Vidal on Liberty (3/7)

 

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PAUL JAY: In this period after World War II and this sort of feeling of world supremacy, domestically we see McCarthyism.

GORE VIDAL: Well, McCarthy kind of misread the tarot cards. You know, he thought it was a simple matter of conquest. Probably the only thing he basically cared about was Ireland, because he was an Irishman. And he liked the British Empire being kicked in the butt by Americans. So anything that would, you know, do them in or do in, you know, Dean Acheson, the Secretary of State, who seemed like an Englishman. I think he did a lot of, you know, ethnic one-upmanship. But no.

Well, first of all, we were taken over by big businesses, we always have been, but this time it was pretty severe because the stakes were greater. Somebody said- oh, the kid last night who was interviewing me, Adam something. He said, you know, certainly the United States is basically an altruistic country. Look at the Marshall Plan. I said, what’s altruistic about seizing control of Western Europe? It seems to be very much part of an imperial plan. Oh, he couldn’t believe it. He just thought we did it out of goodness of heart. Now, he’s a very bright guy, writes for The New Yorker and so on, yet he’s been so misled. And he reads a lot of history; he’s very intelligent. You cannot get through the density of the propaganda with which the American people, through the dreaded media, have been filled and the horrible public educational system we have for the average person. It’s just grotesque.

PAUL JAY: There’s this fundamental belief, religious belief, that America’s foreign policy since World War II has been a fight for freedom.

GORE VIDAL: Well, it never was. And the belief that we’re a democracy. That means you know nothing about the Constitution. The people who made the Constitution hated democracy. Some of them put up with it better than others. Jefferson was pretty good on the subject. The others just loathed it.

PAUL JAY: But certainly there’s more democracy in the United States than there was in Hitler’s Germany.

GORE VIDAL: Well, I suppose that if you’re being tortured to death by Mao Tse-Tung, it’s much better to be with Paul Revere in front of a fireplace in Concord, New Hampshire. I mean, you can sort out [crosstalk]-.

PAUL JAY: No, but there are stages of this process of democracy, or lack thereof.

GORE VIDAL: The Federalist Papers are very clear. Whenever one of the founding fathers, and one of the people who was inventing the Constitution, they start to get apoplectic at the mention of Athens, the mention of Pericles, the mention of democracy. They go on and on about mobs, and we don’t want this, and we don’t want that. We’re an oligarchy of the well-to-do. We were at the very beginning, when the Constitution was made, and we’re even more so now.

PAUL JAY: But within that context there is more or less right of free assembly. There is more or less right of free speech. Of course, you have more free speech if you own a television network than if you don’t.

GORE VIDAL: Well, yes, as you’ll find out with The Real News.

PAUL JAY: But there are some constitutional rights here that you wouldn’t have seen.

GORE VIDAL: They’ve been eliminated one by one over the last four years.

PAUL JAY: That’s my question.

GORE VIDAL: When habeas corpus was removed, I think they attributed it to certain desires of the USA Patriot Act. When they got rid of that, they got rid of Magna Carta. When you get rid of that, you get rid of our liberties. The only good thing England ever left us was Magna Carta. Magna Carta guarantees due process of law. You cannot have your life removed, you cannot have your money removed, your freedom removed, except by a trial by jury of your peers, and you could be represented by a lawyer. That’s been eliminated. Sixth Amendment is gone. The speed with which it was done is sort of miraculous, because this is a screw-up administration. They can’t do anything properly. There are those who keep quoting me, because I had said, well, they’d had enough warnings about 9/11 to have done something. Well, that’s the CIA’s warning. They did nothing. So I have to face this every now and then. Well, you said that Bush was in favor of it. And can you prove that? I said, of course I can’t. How would I know? I do know that he is so incompetent. This was a great, successful mission conducted by some crazed religious zealots.

https://therealnews.com/stories/gore-vidal-on-liberty-3-7

Gore Vidal on US Media 😈 and Society (4/7)

August 1, 2007

Gore Vidal discusses taboo subjects in the media and society, and says the people have no voice because they have no information


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PAUL JAY: There’s a lot of taboo subjects in the media, and even sometimes in the society.

GORE VIDAL: Particularly in the society.

PAUL JAY: Yeah. But one of them is trying to draw any historical lessons from the rise of fascism in Germany, in Italy, and say there’s anything in common.

GORE VIDAL: I’m not joking when I refer to our country as the United States of Amnesia, although I was corrected recently by Studs Terkel out of Chicago. And he said, Gore, it’s not the United States of Amnesia; it’s the United States of Alzheimer’s. I stand corrected.

PAUL JAY: Fascism in Germany wasn’t a coup; it was a many-year process. [crosstalk] feel normal. I’m not suggesting we’re living in an equivalent period, but there are lessons to be learned about it.

GORE VIDAL: But it is equivalent. I mean, don’t be shy of saying that. The response to the Reichstag Fire is precisely that to 9/11, which was invoked by this administration’s people.
And if we don’t fight them over there, we got to fight ’em here. This little fool. How are they going to get here? Greyhound bus? I mean, he is so stupid himself that he assumes everybody else is equally stupid. If he had been really elected, I would say everybody else was stupid, but he wasn’t.

PAUL JAY: But the party that was really elected went along with most of what he did until very recently.

GORE VIDAL: Oh, he didn’t do much of anything. They went along applauding it because they were getting huge contracts for Halliburton.

PAUL JAY: No, I’m talking about the leadership of the Democratic Party went along with the Patriot Act, went along with the war in Iraq.

GORE VIDAL: Have you ever found them? You know where they live?

PAUL JAY: The leadership of the Democratic Party?

GORE VIDAL: They’re like rocks. You know, they’re not visible. There’s some obviously good people in the party. I like Dennis Kucinich, I like Senator Leahy. There are some very good people in Congress. And lets hope they start doing some oversight. But I’m not very sanguine.

PAUL JAY: In the period between 9/11 and Katrina, where in Katrina some cracks started to appear in the Bush armor, we saw a kind of capitulation by American media and all the opposition political leadership. And you saw a face of America that we might see more of.

GORE VIDAL: After all, you are in opposition to American media, and so am I. And we know how false it is, and how corrupt it is, and how engaged they are for mischief, making money for the ownership of the country. There’s nothing to be done about them. And no wonder, even when the American people might ever again, which I doubt, have an uncorrupted presidential election. 2000 was corrupted. 2004 was corrupted. I don’t think we’ll ever get to know the people’s voice, and the people have no voice because they have no information. That is why you’re doing useful work here. That’s why I’m chatting with you here. That could be useful, to tell them actually what happens around the world. That poor guy running for Congress, everybody jumped on him, particularly [inaudible] people. He suggested that our foreign policy might have had something to do with 9/11, that we were deeply disliked in the Muslim world for other reasons. It’s the same presidential, I guess. ‘Do you believe in evolution?’ said this idiot. I mean, to reveal the leadership of the United States hasn’t made it to the 20th century, that our leadership is as ignorant as that. Five of them said, no, no, thinking little lord Jesus was going to vote for them.

PAUL JAY: It’s in these moments of crisis, like terrorist attack, that you start to see people’s colors.

GORE VIDAL: Yellow.

PAUL JAY: In Britain as well, and I was really taken aback. After the bus London bombings, Ken Livingstone, I read Ken Livingstone was asked, was there any connection between these bombings and UK foreign policy, and he said there’s no connection whatsoever. This is just people that hate our way of life.

GORE VIDAL: Yeah, that’s the new lie that they like to tell. Well, that’s Bush all over. They just hate us. Why? Nobody has to ask them why. He doesn’t know why. Well, they envy us, our form of government. Who envies us that can of worms we’ve got in Washington? And it’s been many years in the United States since I have seen a Norwegian coming to get a green card.

https://therealnews.com/stories/gore-vidal-on-us-media-and-society-4-7
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

 

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