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Freedom & Democracy => Who CAN you trust? => Topic started by: AGelbert on April 05, 2019, 08:06:23 pm

Title: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 05, 2019, 08:06:23 pm
This topic will cover previous posts as close to chronological order as possible. Any new posts about 911 by those brave people working to uncover the truth that the FBI, under Mueller, COVERED UP, will be posted here.

FASCIST rogue elements within the U.S. Military Industrial Complex DID carefully plan and execute the destruction that caused many deaths in New York City and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. That was our Reichstag Fire. That was a FAKE "Pearl Harbor". You believe a LIE if you think it was otherwise.

The never ending wars and the huge Pentagon budget SWAG coerced from we-the-taxpaying-people are both a direct PRE-PLANNED result of 911 TREASON.

The American Fascist version of the NAZI Enabling act, that Hitler rammed through right after that very convenient Reichstag Fire, is called the "Patriot" Act. It basically destroyed the last vestiges of freedom in the USA. The Patriot Act was READY BEFORE 911, in case you are wondering why that rather detailed piece of mindfork appeared so quickly, with almost the entire Congress signing it WITHOUT EVEN READING IT.

Believe the "19 Arabs with box cutters did it" BULLSHIT Government Conspiracy Theory story all you want. The truth will come out, hopefully soon.

If it doesn't, there is ZERO hope ( for proper action in regard to Climate Change Mitigation and Social Justice.

911 is the MONSTROUS ( MIC ELEPHANT in the American 'room' version of Nazi Germany, Circa 2019.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 05, 2019, 09:20:34 pm
The video that was here was TERMINATED by You Tube.  >:(

Published on Jan 13, 2012

Comment. This film was made by Dr Niels Harrit to document the BBC interview he gave to the BBC as part their 2011 'Conspiracy Files' series; which was basically an attempt to undermine the 9-11 truth movement.   (

It goes without saying that when it was all edited & spliced together Dr Harrit appeared to be simply another conspiracy nut & the interviewer a reasonable investigative Journalist just doing his job. This film however graphically shows the BBC in their true light & how they really conduct themselves away from public scrutiny. (

There are many comments on here of the opinion that the interviewer; BBC Producer Michael Rudin is just some type of incompetent or even ill-mannered BBC hack. It is my personal belief that he is much worse than that. He is most likely is one of many employed by the security services as agents working at the BBC. The BBC is basically a propaganda tool for the state, irrespective of what stripe of government is in power their function is always to manipulate public opinion in order to maintain the status quo.

Don't forget to pay the license fee & enjoy the brainwashing.  ;D
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 05, 2019, 09:22:17 pm
Three weeks notice for a 36 hour power down in the upper HALF of the WTC southern tower of the twin towers (where this man worked on the 97th floor) that took place September 8 and 9 of the year 2001... (
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 05, 2019, 09:27:20 pm
September 11, 2001 was the day the last piece needed to convert the USA into a Fascist Police State was put into place.  :(


Loose Change
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 05, 2019, 09:52:42 pm
Parents of 9/11 Victims Take on FBI in Groundbreaking Lawsuit

AE911Truth  April 4, 2019

On this week’s episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by 9/11 family members Bob McIlvaine and Barbara Krukowski-Rastelli, who discuss their lawsuit against the FBI over the Bureau’s failure to include key evidence that it knew of in its 2015 report to Congress.

The two parents, together with the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry and AE911Truth, aim to compel the FBI to reconstitute its 9/11 Review Commission and issue a new report that assesses all of the evidence the FBI is accused of omitting — including evidence of the World Trade Center’s explosive demolition. You can listen below on SoundCloud or YouTube.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 06, 2019, 01:21:22 pm
The MENS REA of the FOSSIL FUEL GOVERNMENT in the planning, execution and cover up of this TREASONOUS CRIME is on FULL DISPLAY.  ( (  (
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 08, 2019, 06:28:17 pm
Are you open minded enough to listen to Common Sense from Christopher Bollyn?

If not, ANY claim that you are "open minded" is:

Published on Mar 7, 2015

Christopher Bollyn 2015: “Solving 911 Ends the War”

In the name of 9/11, “wars have been waged, governments overthrown, and an untold number of lives sacrificed.” Yet 9/11 is an unsolved crime of terrorism and mass murder, with no trial and no serious investigation. This elaborately planned criminal deception was carried out “with the intention that the public would be deceived with a false explanation blaming the atrocity on Osama Bin Laden and Al Quaida....”

Christopher Bollyn states he has written “Solving 9-11: the Deception that Changed the World” because he could not remain indifferent and silent...”as the lies about 9/11 were used to wage wars of aggression and transform American into a police state.”

An investigative journalist from Illinois, Bollyn sojourned in Europe and the Middle East before studying languages, history and journalism at UC Davis and Santa Cruz. His degree in history focused on the Israeli occupation of Palestine. He has written in-depth articles about the Middle East, electronic vote fraud, the dangers of depleted uranium, and the history and geo-political background of 9/11.

In 2007, Bollyn and his family moved to Sweden when his research into 9/11 brought about his being attacked by undercover police and then charged with assaulting them. He began writing this book and has been touring in the US with the hope of raising the consciousness of the American public and exposing the true culprits.

Readers of his book have said it is “the top-notch work of the 9/11 collection and ...the work of a brave genius...information we can use to reformulate our me hope that truth and liberty can ultimately prevail.”

More information at
Tags: 911, Christopher Bollyn, Solving 911, Jewish Lightning, Sayanim, Agents, Assets
Produced: 2015, Episode: CD-S911, 57:58, Category: Education
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Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 08, 2019, 11:15:37 pm
US Government Insider Prepared To Testify Against US Government For Their Prime Role In The 9/11 Attacks

Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker. 

He recently had an interview (audio available below) with Alex Jones to discuss the recent Osama Bin Laden hoax, and how Bin Laden had been dead for years.

 Toward the latter part of the interview he drops a bombshell about the September 11th 2001 attacks of the World Trade Center.  That he had inside information from a top General at the time that the attacks were not only known ahead of time by the US Government, but, as many of us have been saying for years, completely planned by the US Government, and that he is prepared to testify before a Federal Grand Jury with all of this information. 

He mentioned many people involved in the planning of the attacks including George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and many more.  The 9/11 information begins at audio mark 01:00:35.

 It’s a great interview overall, Dr Pieczenik has the spirit every American needs.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 09, 2019, 06:31:52 pm
Authored by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

April 9, 2019


Though not surprising, it’s nevertheless extraordinary to watch Donald Trump publicly and shamelessly morph into a George W. Bush ( era neocon when it comes to foreign policy, and a CNBC stock market cheerleader ( when it comes to the economy. (

Just like Barack 😈 Obama before him, Trump talked a good populist 😇 game on two issues of monumental importance (foreign policy and the rigged economy), but once elected immediately turned around and prioritized the core 🐉🦕🦖😈👹💵🎩🍌🏴🦍☠️ interests of ( oligarchy.


Trump doesn’t even give lip service to big picture populist topics anymore unless they’re somehow related to the culture war, which works out perfectly for the entrenched oligarchy since the culture war primarily serves as a useful distraction to keep the rabble squabbling while apex societal predators loot whatever’s left of this hollowed out neo-feudal economy.

The pivot toward status quo consensus when it comes to two of the most existential issues facing the nation should be deeply concerning to everyone, but particularly to those( thought Donald 🦀 Trump  would be different.

Full article;

Trump ( Cares About Two Things: Empire & The Stock Market (

Agelbert NOTE: Trump ( KNOWS the Saudis were only minimally engaged in funding a tiny part of 911 (the scapegoat Saudi 🐵 🐒 pseudo highjackers) and certainly DID NOT plant and detonate the explosives in those WTC towers. The Israelis, however, WANT Trump to always point towards AYrab Boogeymen whenever 911 is discussed. The "war on Terror" is scam that required a "Pearl Harbor" (i.e. 911, 2001) to get kick started. The main beneficiaries of this monstrous treason are the Israelies and Military Industrial Complex. This comment sheds light on why Trump says, and does, what he does.

Come on guys, trump is amazing, incredible deal maker, big business brain and his foreign policy decisions are beyond criticism and reproach.

I predict he will go down in history as the greatest US president ever, in fact you should all be so lucky as to have him sit in that Oval Office for life. Don’t be so negative,cause from where I’m sitting he is doing an exceptional job and has exceeded my wildest hopes and dreams.

here is to your good health and four more years just imagine what we can accomplish with your leadership!

warmest regards,

Tel Aviv

( This video will clear up ANY confusion you may have about Israel and 911:

Sunday, September 24, 2017

Christopher Bollyn DC 9/11/2017 “The War on Terror among Truth Seekers”

The government and media have misled us about 9/11 in order to compel public opinion to support the War on Terror.

Why have we gone along with this ugly deception?  30 million Muslims have been murdered since 9/11.  When will Americans have enough retribution?  Do we accept endless war as normal?  Are we numb to the suffering caused by our military interventions?

No.  We have simply been propagandized into submission.  We have been deceived into thinking that the War on Terror is a good thing, a valiant struggle against terrorists who intend to attack us as we were on 9/11.

Behind the War on Terror is a strategic plan crafted decades ago to redraw the map of the Middle East.  9/11 was a false-flag operation blamed on Muslims in order to start the military operation for that strategic plan.  Recognizing the origin of the plan is crucial to understanding the deception that has changed our world.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 10, 2019, 09:38:42 pm
A deep state event seen from deep space. New York City, 9/11. NASA Photo

General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud!

The 9/11 video that was aired once and never aired again.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 10, 2019, 11:14:20 pm
Agelbert NOTE: Yes, this is certainly related to the 911 Treason conducted on behalf of Israel (See PNAC = FDD discussed at the end of the interview).

Who Are the Real Terrorists? Trump 🦀 Intensifies Economic War Against Iran (

April 8, 2019

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization on Monday, upping the economic war against Iran, the rift with Europe and China, and preparing conditions for a “military option” - Col. Larry Wilkerson joins Paul Jay

Story Transcript

PAUL JAY: The Trump administration on Monday upped their economic war against Iran, and perhaps it’s a step towards a military war. That’s next on The Real News.


PAUL JAY: Welcome to The Real News Network. I’m Paul Jay. On Monday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, known as the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, a terrorist organization. We’re about to play the clip of that. But keep in mind as you’re hearing him speak the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is part of the Iranian government. So they are essentially–it’s if someone declared the Marines a terrorist organization. You can’t do that without essentially declaring the government terrorists. But that’s exactly what the Trump administration has done. Here’s Mike Pompeo today.

MIKE POMPEO: The United States is continuing to build its maximum pressure campaign against the Iranian regime. I am announcing our intent to designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, including its Quds Force, as a foreign terrorist organization in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. This designation will take effect one week from today. This is the first time that the United States has designated a part of another government as an FTO. We’re doing it because the Iranian regime’s use of terrorism as a tool of statecraft makes it fundamentally different from any other government. This historic step will deprive the world’s leading state sponsor of terror. The financial means to spread misery and death around the world.

PAUL JAY: Now joining us to analyze what this means for Iran and the world–because in my opinion it’s a rather dangerous upping of the Trump administration’s policies towards Iran–is Larry Wilkerson. Larry is a retired American army colonel. He’s the former chief of staff to the United States Secretary of State Colin Powell, and he’s now a professor at William and Mary College. Thanks for joining us, Larry.

LARRY WILKERSON: Good to be with you, Paul.

PAUL JAY: So, why now? I mean, nothing–what’s changed in Iran’s behavior that all of a sudden now the Revolutionary Guard is designated as terrorist? And what do you make of this issue of how do you designate part of their armed forces terrorist and not the Iranian government? Because the implication of this is no one can do business not just with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, but you can’t do business with anyone that does business with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which one would think means the entire Iranian government.

LARRY WILKERSON: Well, you’ve just touched on a number of aspects of it, Paul. Start with the number one aspect for me, and I think for American security in the world, and that is that we just are sanctioning everything that we don’t like, and the world is getting sick and tired of it. These sanctions have repercussions second tiers and third tiers. Friend, ally, neutral, and enemy is going to detest the United States of America. And that’s not a good development.

The second level I would address these sanctions on is–and by the way, Secretary Pompeo didn’t know his history very well–we might not have called them a foreign terrorist organization, but we did declare a part of a government a criminal organization in World War II, the Waffen SS. The Schutzstaffel. Now, if you want to argue to me that the Waffen SS and the IRGC or Quds Force in Iran are equivalents, I’ll tell you you are a fool. So, Secretary Pompeo, you register as a fool. I knew that beforehand, but I’ll state it again.

The third level it bothers me on is for the U.S. military, the U.S. Foreign Service, CIA, in stations equivalent, or in our embassies around the world, who are not in Washington safe and secure like fat old Mike Pompeo, or some of these other people who are doing this, and are going to have to suffer the repercussions of this. We had the leader of the IRGC, when was it, 2017 or so, he actually said that he was going to consider the armed forces of the United States as being the equivalent of ISIS. That’s probably the way Iran is going to look at it. And while their reach is not nearly as wide and deep and long as ours, still we do come in contact with one another. Case in point, the last two or three ambassadors Iran has sent to Baghdad have been Quds Force officers. There are IRGC officers in similar capacities operating in the region. So we’re going to treat these people as terrorists? What is Mahdi, the prime minister in Iraq, going to say about this?

These are just very stupid moves, and they’re aimed at one thing and one thing only, and that is so contracting the contacts that Iran has with the world, and that we have with Iran, that we wind up bringing the regime down if for no other reason just for the fact that it can’t function in the world. Now, that’s the purpose of them. There is a repercussion of this, though, that we’ve seen before and we’re going to see again in Iran, I suspect. And that is that the people we are actually sanctioning, the organizations were actually sanctioning, get richer, get more powerful, because of the sanctions. Because they will run around and buy up their already multipronged operations in Iran’s economy that are run by the IRGC and the Quds Force. They will run around and buy up things that shrink because of sanctions at fire sale prices, and they’ll be even more powerful when we get to the end of this. Unless, of course, as you insinuated before, we are looking for ultimately going to war for Saudi Arabia and others in the region, like Israel, who want us to go to war with Iran. That seems to me to be what we’re designing.

And knowing John Bolton, the national security adviser, and the attention span of the president, I would say that John Bolton is running this administration.

PAUL JAY: And Bolton has wanted regime change by any means necessary for quite a long time. Now, China has major investments in Iran. Germany has had major investments in Iran. I’m not sure where they’re at now with the current sanctions. But a reporter asked Pompeo at this news conference where Pompeo announced this declaration. Here’s what the reporter asked. Because the question is how is this going to affect Europe now with these upped sanctions? Let’s roll that.

REPORTER: …this affect EU trade, oil waivers, since the IRGC is involved in most parts of the Iranian economy. So the question–including banking and everything else. So how does this affect those relations?

MIKE POMPEO: If you’re the general counsel for a European financial institution today, there is more risk. It is absolutely the case that the IRGC amounts to a significant piece of the Iranian economy through pure kleptocracy. And it is also the case that it is sometimes difficult to know whether the IRGC is involved. That is, the diligence effort is an enormous undertaking. I think this–I think this will require more diligence to be done by every business that is considering doing things that are even now second and third orders removed from what you might think of as a traditional connection to the Iranian economy.

PAUL JAY: And it goes even further than that, because it’s not just you have to do diligence, according to my understanding of the act, that whether the Revolutionary Guard is involved in such and such specific sector of the economy. But one can extend it that anyone who just does any business with anyone that does business with a Revolutionary Guard is implicated.

LARRY WILKERSON: That’s why these sanctions work. And unwinding them, Paul, when a sane and sober administration finally comes into the White House–which it will, one day–unwinding these sanctions is a nightmare. And Department of Defense and others in the security business have been against this for a long time. Department of Defense is against it because you just look at this, we’re sanctioning, we’re calling a terrorist group a military that operates under the orders of its sovereign government. No matter what we may think about that government, that’s how the military operates. So we are declaring this military operating under the direction, guidance, and orders of its government as terrorists. This is preposterous. And it’s extremely dangerous. It sets a horrible precedent in the world. And it’s supposed to be the country that believes in the rule of law that’s setting it. This is a horrible precedent.

PAUL JAY: In 2007, Senators Kyl and Lieberman put forward a resolution in the Senate which called for what’s taking place now, to declare the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists. It passed as a resolution but didn’t get through as a–it never became enforced. President Obama, at that time Senator, was against it; Joe Biden was against it. Interestingly enough, Hillary Clinton was for it. But now there’s a seven day window here, it seems awfully small, where Congress could block this. Should they? And do you think they will?

LARRY WILKERSON: Absolutely they should, and no, I don’t think they will. And “We came, we saw, and he died” lady, Hillary Clinton, was despicable, especially with regard to that crisis in Libya. Look at where we are now. We’re having to come out of Libya because the situation is so dicey, so dangerous, that we can’t even stay around anymore. We created an absolute nightmare in Libya. So anybody that voted for that was just what Lieberman was, a person who had to stand up for Israel under any circumstance whatsoever, even if that circumstance were against the national security of his own country. That’s what it’s all about, Israel.

PAUL JAY: The upping of this pressure, it’s going to cause great contradictions both with China, with Europe, with Russia. They don’t seem to care. There’s floods now in Iran. The current sanctions, apparently, are obstructing aid relief of foreign international aid organizations are saying they can’t bring aid because of these sanctions. The administration seems to think that they can create such an economic crisis in Iran, which is essentially create economic war against Iran; that internal forces will create such destabilization they get the regime change they were hoping for. But how possible do you think this may be accompanied with some kind of bombing, or some kind of military action?

LARRY WILKERSON: I don’t think so. I just wrote two letters today, one to Senator Risch, who is the new chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and one to Senator Romney, who is the subcommittee chair on the Middle East. And in those letters essentially said if you want to demonstrate to the Iranian people how corrupt their government is, then you need to let the humanitarian assistance that is waiting at the border, as it were, go through–OFAC is blocking it right now, Office of Foreign Assets Control–go through and get to the Iranian people. The floods are still happening. The problem still exists. It is demonstrating the corruption of the Iranian government. It’s demonstrating how little it is able to do. IRGC, Quds Force, the government itself, the military in Iran. They can’t get the right aid in, they can’t get the assistance in that needs to go there.

So if you want to get the people of Iran energized about the corruption in their government and to do something about it, don’t drop bombs. Don’t sanction people. Deliver humanitarian assistance, as we did in 2003 from the Bush administration. Didn’t even have to convince George Bush to do it. We started shipping things in, we started helping organizations get there during that terrible earthquake in Bam in 2003 when thousands of people were impacted. Now look at what we’re doing. Instead of taking action, humanitarian action to help these innocent people who are caught up in these ravages, these floods, we are blocking that. We’re keeping that humanitarian assistance from getting there. We’re unconscionable. This administration is unconscionable.

PAUL JAY: And let’s put this into a little bit of a historical context. Whatever the Iranian government might have done that is “supporting” some kind of terrorist group, and even that is I don’t think very clear that there was much of anything. Perhaps in Iraq you could say there were some. But what the United States did in Iraq was so much more significant, was a war crime, was an illegal war, the invasion of Iraq. Nothing Iran has done is anywhere on that scale. The use of allying with terrorist groups and the destruction of Syria, the United States allying with Saudi Arabia directly and encouraging all kinds of various terrorist groups there. The use of terrorist groups has been part of U.S. foreign policy for quite a while, not the least of which in Afghanistan, inviting bin Laden to come to Afghanistan and create which leads to the creation of al Qaeda. It goes on and on. Whereas what–why are they so upset at Iran? Because of support for Hezbollah. And Hezbollah essentially, one, it’s part of the Lebanese government. It has seats in the cabinet. And the Hezbollah armed forces has primarily been in a defensive posture in Lebanon. So what is the terrorism?

LARRY WILKERSON: You just stated it all yourself. I don’t know whether I’m interviewing you or … The bottom line, to at least 3 million people in the world, is that the United States in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, and Syria, has, conservatively speaking, killed 300,000-500,000 people as human beings. No telling how many we’ve sent into an almost endless diaspora where they will never be able to come back to their homes. So if Iran operated on that scale for the next two decades, I doubt very seriously if they could in that sense do what the United States has done to make the rest of the world truly fearful of them, truly marking on a pole, for example, that the number one threat to their and their family’s future is the United States of America.

Ronald Reagan used to say, or people around Ronald Reagan used to say, one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist. Well, this kind of distinction that we’re making now in the law, so to speak, is being made because we have the power. We have the power, and we’re doing it. It doesn’t make it right, and it doesn’t make it lawful. What it makes it is a hegemonic action by a superpower that is operating in the thrall of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and Jerusalem, Israel and the Saudis, who will very, very much love it if we take Iran out. And we’re just like a vassal state operating as their lackey in this regard.

And I put this directly at the feet of the National Security Adviser John Bolton, because I know that has been one of his purposes for a long time, arguably since he learned to speak and walk. This is John Bolton. This is John Bolton wading into the absence of any real political skill, talent, or direction, certainly no strategic direction, of President Trump, and orchestrating the administration as he sees fit. And as Mike Pompeo, the sycophant Secretary of State, saying “Aye, aye, sir, three bags full, we’ll do whatever you want us to do. How high do you want me to jump tomorrow?” This is an incredibly bizarre administration. And God knows where they’re going to lead us.

PAUL JAY: I’ll push back a little bit on one thing, Larry. This is the vision of the neocons from the late 1990s, if not earlier. You know, this group we keep referring to, the Project for a New American Century, this aim of regime change of Iran has been their passion for a long time.

LARRY WILKERSON: PNAC is FDD. The new PNAC is the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy, which is laughable when you think about they were created, exist, and will exist, probably, for the defense of Israel.

PAUL JAY: Well, I think it’s not just the defense of Israel. It’s very much American interest to assert U.S. dominance in the region. Which–Israel is a piece of that, and so’s the Saudis.

LARRY WILKERSON: These people aren’t stupid. If this were for American interests they wouldn’t be doing half of what they’re doing. Now, if you want to tell me that it’s for the interest of a few Americans, I might reconsider.

PAUL JAY: Oh, definitely, that’s what I would say. This is very much the vision of the far-right of American foreign policy and military establishment. It’s certainly to make money for the arms manufacturers. And it certainly–but to assert the U.S.–I don’t think the United States has ever gotten over the overthrow of the Shah of Iran.

LARRY WILKERSON: [Inaudible] other things, too. I mean, you just look at the track record. And just think about this for a moment. This is a small example, but think about this. Remember when the Iranians captured some of our people who ventured into their waters, and gave them back within 48 hours or so?


LARRY WILKERSON: What do you think they’re going to do now?

PAUL JAY: If the Middle East becomes in flames as a result of this there is a lot of money to be made if you’re in fossil fuel or arms.

LARRY WILKERSON: Absolutely. If you’re Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, or any of these other defense contractors, you salivate at the prospect of your production lines just running endlessly.

PAUL JAY: And oil probably goes to I don’t know what, $200, $300? Who knows.

LARRY WILKERSON: That just depends on how much it’s threatened.

PAUL JAY: All right. Thanks, Larry. Very good.

LARRY WILKERSON: Sure. Take care.

PAUL JAY: Thank you for joining The Real News Network.

Agelbert NOTE: Yep, the Military Industrial Complex and Fascist Israel, partners in the 911 CRIME,  just CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THEY DO to fleece we-the-people 24/7.


Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 11, 2019, 09:04:29 pm
Agelbert NOTE: Though most of the pseudo-Christian lackeys for Trump would violently disagree, this is the true Christian position in regard to WAR in general and the monstrously evil M.I.C. in particular. (



Psalm 51 Channel

Published on Apr 29, 2017

This teaching was preached in 2016 but is as relevant today as it was during the times of the quote by MacArthur. I urge you listen to the entire teaching by Pastor Robert Reed🕊. 👍👍👍

Category Education

Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 12, 2019, 01:19:56 pm
The FRUITS of 911: Blood Drenched SWAG for the MIC (AND ISRAEL)

Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 12, 2019, 02:03:00 pm

Assange Arrested for Exposing U.S. War Crimes – Paul Jay

April 12, 2019

Wikileaks released Manning’s leaked documents and exposed multiple crimes committed by the U.S. government and armed forces - Jay says this is getting lost in the corporate media coverage of Assange’s arrest;  when he was arrested, Assange carried a copy of TRNN’s book “Gore Vidal on the History of the National Security State” which was based on a series of interviews conducted by Paul Jay between 2005 to 2007; the premise of the book is the American state and its loyal media use patriotism to lie to the American people about U.S. foreign policy and militarism

Story Transcript

MARC STEINER: Welcome to The Real News Network. I’m Marc Steiner. Great to have you with us once again.

As we all know by now, Julian Assange was kicked out of the Ecuadorian Embassy in London and then arrested, and has been indicted by the U.S. government for allegedly helping Chelsea Manning to crack a password code on a Defense Department computer to unearth restricted classified documents. That took place in 2010.

As Assange was being hauled out of the Ecuadorian Embassy he was holding in his hand a book, a copy of Gore Vidal’s History of the National Security State. That’s a collection of interviews he did with Paul Jay, CEO and editor-in-chief here at The Real News Network. And there really is a critical juncture between the book and Assange’s arrest that involves the role of the national security state in our country. So, Paul Jay, welcome to your own network.

PAUL JAY: Well, it’s not my network. I work for this network.

MARC STEINER: I couldn’t resist. Anyhow.

Obviously the first question here is we were all looking at this and saying, “We know that book. Why is he holding that book? What is he trying to tell the world and us holding this book by Gore Vidal on the national security state?” What were your first thoughts, and what do you think that meant, if anything?

PAUL JAY: Well, I think it was deliberate, obviously. He’s known that he was going to be arrested for quite some time, and certainly in the last couple of days it was just a question of when. So I mean, I’ve never met or talked to Julian. But I’m assuming he did it with some intent. And I think it’s to send the message that this is the national security state that has come for him, and that the national security state is a dangerous thing for people and they should be aware of it.

I think the most important thing to keep in mind here is just what he’s been arrested for; this alleged collusion, if you want to use the word, with Chelsea Manning to leak the various reams of information that Chelsea Manning leaked. They’re claiming he crossed the line in helping to create a password–crack a password–which a journalist is only supposed to receive the information, not in any way collaborate. I have no idea whether Julian did or didn’t do what they’re alleging. But I think a far more important thing is being lost in, so far, most of the media coverage I’ve seen of this arrest, which is they exposed war crimes; they being Julian, Chelsea Manning. They exposed American war crimes in Iraq. And of course there’s this famous footage of a helicopter essentially murdering people as they walk across a square in–I guess it’s Baghdad. But we know in that story that not only did they kill the people in the original video, but they go ahead and strafe a van where there were children in it. And that was just a tip of the iceberg of the kind of war crimes being committed by the United States in Iraq.

And most importantly, what should be discussed again at this moment is that the war itself was a war crime. It was an illegal war. It was not sanctioned by the United Nations. The United States did not face a threat of imminent attack by Iraq, which is the only justification for war. These types of wars of aggression–and it’s clear it was a war of aggression. There was no weapons of mass destruction, and the UN inspectors were all saying so. The Nuremberg trials, they put the Nazis on trial. And it was said at the time and it’s been said since it’s the highest form of war crime, an aggressive war.

So what did WikiLeaks, what did Julian Assange, what did Chelsea Manning do? They exposed war crimes. So whether it may have technically broken an American law or not, if there’s ever going to be democracy, there better be whistleblowers. And the fact that the Obama administration and now the Trump administration, the deep state is going after whistleblowers–and particularly the most well known other than Snowden, Assange–is to send a message. And it comes at a very critical time when I think the Trump administration is planning for some kind of attack on Iran; certainly massive economic destabilization. And who knows what other nefarious things they are planning.

So it’s not just an attack on press freedom, which it is. It’s not just a way to intimidate journalists and news organizations from accepting leaked material, which it is. But it’s saying even if you’re exposing war crimes, we’re coming after you. And the corporate media is ignoring the whole substance of what was done by Chelsea and Julian.

MARC STEINER: So as we talk about the corporate media–let’s for a moment play this clip from MSNBC that kind of, I think, will describe the tenor of how the corporate media is going to follow this particular case, and some of the things they may be saying. Let’s take a look at it and kind of figure out what they’re saying here and how this fits into the whole thing.

SPEAKER: Yes. WikiLeaks began as a transparency organization. And at the time WikiLeaks was viewed as sort of an independent organization basically holding governments accountable. But over the years it became clear that WikiLeaks was growing ever closer to Russia and that all the leaks seemed to go in one direction. There were, there were never leaks that criticized authoritarian governments; only the West and the United States. And at some point the U.S. government, even during the Obama administration, began concluding that WikiLeaks was essentially acting as an arm of Russian intelligence. And then you get to the election. WikiLeaks was the recipient of leaked, hacked Democratic emails. And we’ll all remember that Donald Trump cited WikiLeaks more than 130 times during the campaign because they were publishing DNC emails that were embarrassing to the Democrats. They were clearly helping with this Russian election interference effort. And then the U.S. intelligence community weighed in and said that was not by accident.

MARC STEINER: So this is, I think, how part of the establishment media is going to play this and the Russian connection, that they’re going to push very hard in all of this with Assange. And it’s–and that will muddy the waters. Well, let me just stop there, before I get to the next question.

So I think–so what becomes incumbent on the rest of the media to talk about in light of this, this mass media push?

PAUL JAY: Well, it’s a complete and utter distraction. The whole Russia thing is a complete and utter distraction from the real crimes of the Trump administration. We’ve been saying this over and over again. The Russiagate–this whole raising as a significant issue some perhaps minor meddling in the 2016 elections as a distraction, because it plays into the hands of certain Democrats, Democratic Party, corporate Democrats people call them, the media, to kind of dredge up the demons and ghosts of the Cold War, and actually run to the right of Trump. Like, oh, we’re bigger Cold Warriors than you are; we’re more militarist than you are. In fact it’s not true. Trump is very much a militarist.

But the–but it’s a complete distraction from the specific case as well, because as I just said, this isn’t about Russia. It’s not about hacking Clinton emails. If that’s what it’s about, charge him with that. But he’s not charged with anything to do with the current controversies. He’s charged with working with Chelsea Manning, I’ll say it again, to expose war crimes. So, you know, everything else is just a complete rhetorical, partisan, hysterical response. Russia, no Russia, it’s irrelevant. Do you have the right to expose war crimes as a journalist? Do you have a responsibility? That’s the only issue here.

MARC STEINER: So what he’s being charged with, clearly it has nothing to do with Russia or what people think he did or did not do when it comes to working with Russia in terms of WikiLeaks and the exposure of of Hillary Clinton’s emails. But the issue is that he’s being charged with hacking, which is–that in itself is a crime, if they go after him for that, A. B, so the question is there’s that, and there’s also what might have been at work here we’re not seeing, and why this happened now. I mean, because what he was really hiding from in the Ecuadorian Embassy was not showing up in court for being–to be put on trial in Sweden on **** charges. So he now faces 12 months in English prison, and be extradited to Sweden, too, if they go after him, as well as being extradited to the United States. So what’s at work here?

PAUL JAY: The timing, one can speculate. I think it’s a few things. Recently WikiLeaks exposed the president of Ecuador having some shady bank accounts and involved in some corruption. Moreno. And clearly Moreno is not the same kind of politics as Correa, the previous president, who was willing to stand up to the Americans on various things. This new president is not. And he’s joined in on the attack on isolation of Venezuela, and he’s trying to cozy up to the Trump administration. So he has his own motives. Why should I protect Julian Assange when Wikileaks is exposing some of the corruption in Ecuador? As well as to curry favor with the Americans. Why not? He’s got no love for Assange. So that’s the–there may be more to the Ecuadorian side of the story. But as far as what’s in the public domain, that makes some certain amount of sense.

Why the Americans are pushing it now is partly, I would guess, part of a process. They’ve been wanting to do this for quite some time, and now Ecuador is willing to, for its own reasons. Now, there is some speculation that they want to try to get hold of Assange and push him on the narrative of Trump collaborating with Russia. Politico had a story about that today, that the–you know, the deep state, or the state, Mueller kind of forced this, they want to see if they can still make this collusion case. It’s possible. This whole idea that WikiLeaks is an arm of Russia I think is nonsense. The fact that the accusation that they never publish stuff against authoritarian regimes is not true. They’ve published stuff about Saudi Arabia. They’ve published stuff about Russia, exposing various things in Russia.

But if they expose more about the United States, duh, you think it’s possible because the United States commits more crimes than anywhere else? I mean, maybe because the United States is the global hegemon, and tries to dominate the world with what is it, 800, 900 military bases? A military budget more than the rest of the world put together. So yeah, you know, if you’re going to be in this exposé business it’s not hard a big stretch of the imagination that the United States is going to get most of it. And it’s also funny they say WikiLeaks doesn’t go after authoritarian regimes. Well, most of the authoritarian regimes–not all, but most in the world–are supported by the United States. So the hypocrisy here is too rich.

MARC STEINER: So I mean, if and when he gets extradited to the United States, what he’ll be charged with, clearly, is this hacking, if that happens. I mean, to me I think one of the biggest dangers here–and I’m curious your thoughts on this–and he may have to go to Sweden before he gets the United States, because they clearly want him there, before the statute of limitations runs out in Sweden on ****, and that will take place in 2020. So there’s gonna be a battle taking place over who gets Assange first.

PAUL JAY: It’s not clear that–first of all, let’s be clear about the Swedish case. There are allegations he has denied. The Swedish authorities wanted to interview him and made a big stink about wanting to interview him. But he offered to be interviewed in the Ecuadorian Embassy. And over and over again the Swedes refused to do it. They made the issue he has to come to Sweden, he has to leave the safety of the Ecuadorian Embassy. And there’s absolutely no reason they couldn’t have gone to the embassy and interviewed him. So as far as where the Swedish case is right now, the latest I saw, it’s unclear whether they are going to try to reassert themselves.

MARC STEINER: Well, we don’t know if they’re going to do that or not. But they could very well do that. But the question is that it seems to be the biggest issue here is the United States is using this this alleged hacking and in collusion with–for want of a better term–with Chelsea Manning is one more way to silence the press, one more way to stop journalists doing their investigative work in a democracy, or in a democratic situation. And so it seems to me this is the clearest danger here of what a national security state is doing, to silence people who are whistleblowers as well as those who would expose atrocities that take place by our government. That to me that is one of the biggest dangers.

PAUL JAY: Yeah, I think that that is the biggest issue of the whole arrest. As I said, we’re heading into an extremely dangerous period, the lead up to the 2020 elections. Massive investment in the military budget. But most recently, the Trump administration naming the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, calling them terrorists.


PAUL JAY: This is something that was tried in 2007 with something called the Kyl Lieberman amendment. aAnd a lot of Democrats voted for it. Although some significant ones didn’t vote for it, including Biden and Obama. Hillary Clinton did. But it was said at the time that that is a step–in fact, it was a Democratic senator who said this–it’s a step towards the military option with Iran. Because once you say the Iranian Revolutionary Guard are terrorists, well, they’re part of the armed forces of the government of Iran. So you’re, you know, one micro hair away from saying that the government of Iran is a terrorist organization. Which means not only can nobody in the world do any business with Iran, but you can’t even negotiate. You know, you’re almost left with only a military option.

And people like John Bolton, the national security adviser for Trump, and others, Pompeo and other people around Trump, and Trump himself, and certainly Steve Bannon, they wanted to go after Iran from day one of this presidency. And a lot of crap is going to come out. Look at the lies that we’re told in the lead up to the war in Iraq. We are going to see the same kind of lies unfold at a super scale towards as they try to destabilize and bring down the government of Iran.

And this is a shot across the bow there, as well. You journalists, you leakers, you better be careful. Because if we can get Assange out of the Ecuadorian Embassy we can get anybody. And that’s no doubt part one of the reason is to create a real chill. And not just in a generalized way, but as we head into a very dangerous period in history.

MARC STEINER: That makes our job here at The Real News and other places, and places like Real News, all the more important to not let this happen.

PAUL JAY: Let me just add one other thing about why he’s carrying that book. Just to give a little background. Gore Vidal’s History of the National Security State is, as you said, a series of interviews I did with him back in 2007. And at the core of the formation of the national security state–and this is done under Truman, a Democrat–is the underlying narrative that the Soviet Union was an existential military threat to the United States. Now, Soviet Union a lot of people thought was some form of socialism. And you can debate, you know, what you think of that form of socialism. But certainly in 1945-1946 and into the ’50s the Soviet Union was very popular in the world. The Soviet Union had broken the back of Hitler. The Soviet Union was recovering from terrible destruction. There seemed to be full employment and healthcare and so on and so on.

So you know, the sort of viciousness of the Soviet state domestically, it was known. It came to be better known after 1956 in what was called the Khrushchev revelations, and so on. The terror of the Stalin government, and so on. So yeah, ideologically the Soviet Union was a threat. Because socialism versus capitalism. But it was not a military threat. And that was bullshit that the American intelligence agencies, the governments, knew. You watch my series of interviews with Daniel Ellsberg, and it became clear to him–and he had access to a high level intelligence–that the Soviet Union had zero plans to invade Western Europe, the justification for NATO. The Soviet Union had zero plans to use nuclear weapons as blackmail or a threat to assert some kind of global presence. Global domination. The Soviet Union was in a defensive posture.

And the same is true today. Whatever you make of Putin domestically, whatever you make of Russia domestically, you can argue that, you could debate it. There is zero evidence that Russia is trying to project global power in a way that threatens the people of the United States. Yes, is Russia projecting regional power? Sure. So is China. And what mid to big capitalist size country wouldn’t? Only the United States is projecting global power. But it’s not a military threat. And this whole underlying thesis of Russiagate, the Russians are destroying democracy and all of this, this minor meddling is raised to such a level because the military industrial complex and sections of the corporate Democratic Party that have been hawkish, militarist and hawkish from the days of Truman, they need this narrative. It justifies their whole outlook on the global affairs.

MARC STEINER: We don’t have time to get into it today, obviously, in this conversation. I agree, I mean, Russia was never a military threat to the United States in that sense of starting a war and going after Western Europe. And that clearly was not going to happen. But the United States and world capital, period, saw the Soviet Union as a threat because they were supporting revolutionary movements across the globe.

PAUL JAY: That’s what it was really about.

MARC STEINER: That was the real threat. And you had 1.3 billion people from Addis Ababa to Shanghai that were living in communist nations. That was the threat they saw. And they played it off as a threat about a major world war, which allowed the U.S. to build their military. But I mean, I think it’s–anyway.

PAUL JAY: I mean, I agree with that. But just–the point here is that you blame the Russians no matter what the heck is going on. And now, as I say, the real issue of this current arrest of Assange, this is the national security state asserting itself, which is why I think he’s carrying the book around, and it’s a coverup for more crime.

MARC STEINER: Well, I’m glad he was carrying the book around. Maybe people will read it. So, Paul Jay, this has been a pleasure. See you back in Baltimore. Thanks so much for taking the time out in New York.

PAUL JAY: All right, thanks for doing it.

MARC STEINER: And I’m Marc Steiner here at The Real News Network in Baltimore. Thank you all for joining us. Take care.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 12, 2019, 10:27:12 pm
The U.S.A. has been an Oligarchy FROM THE START, as Gore vidal states in te following interview (notice the date of the interview). After 911, the FANGS of that Fascist Warmongering U.S. Oligarchy👹 came out in the "Patriot" Act for the express purpose of destroying any remaining semblance of Liberty afforded to Americans. ( (

August 1, 2007

Gore Vidal on Liberty (3/7)

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PAUL JAY: In this period after World War II and this sort of feeling of world supremacy, domestically we see McCarthyism.

GORE VIDAL: Well, McCarthy kind of misread the tarot cards. You know, he thought it was a simple matter of conquest. Probably the only thing he basically cared about was Ireland, because he was an Irishman. And he liked the British Empire being kicked in the butt by Americans. So anything that would, you know, do them in or do in, you know, Dean Acheson, the Secretary of State, who seemed like an Englishman. I think he did a lot of, you know, ethnic one-upmanship. But no.

Well, first of all, we were taken over by big businesses, we always have been, but this time it was pretty severe because the stakes were greater. Somebody said- oh, the kid last night who was interviewing me, Adam something. He said, you know, certainly the United States is basically an altruistic country. Look at the Marshall Plan. I said, what’s altruistic about seizing control of Western Europe? It seems to be very much part of an imperial plan. Oh, he couldn’t believe it. He just thought we did it out of goodness of heart. Now, he’s a very bright guy, writes for The New Yorker and so on, yet he’s been so misled. And he reads a lot of history; he’s very intelligent. You cannot get through the density of the propaganda with which the American people, through the dreaded media, have been filled and the horrible public educational system we have for the average person. It’s just grotesque.

PAUL JAY: There’s this fundamental belief, religious belief, that America’s foreign policy since World War II has been a fight for freedom.

GORE VIDAL: Well, it never was. And the belief that we’re a democracy. That means you know nothing about the Constitution. The people who made the Constitution hated democracy. Some of them put up with it better than others. Jefferson was pretty good on the subject. The others just loathed it.

PAUL JAY: But certainly there’s more democracy in the United States than there was in Hitler’s Germany.

GORE VIDAL: Well, I suppose that if you’re being tortured to death by Mao Tse-Tung, it’s much better to be with Paul Revere in front of a fireplace in Concord, New Hampshire. I mean, you can sort out [crosstalk]-.

PAUL JAY: No, but there are stages of this process of democracy, or lack thereof.

GORE VIDAL: The Federalist Papers are very clear. Whenever one of the founding fathers, and one of the people who was inventing the Constitution, they start to get apoplectic at the mention of Athens, the mention of Pericles, the mention of democracy. They go on and on about mobs, and we don’t want this, and we don’t want that. We’re an oligarchy of the well-to-do. We were at the very beginning, when the Constitution was made, and we’re even more so now.

PAUL JAY: But within that context there is more or less right of free assembly. There is more or less right of free speech. Of course, you have more free speech if you own a television network than if you don’t.

GORE VIDAL: Well, yes, as you’ll find out with The Real News.

PAUL JAY: But there are some constitutional rights here that you wouldn’t have seen.

GORE VIDAL: They’ve been eliminated one by one over the last four years.

PAUL JAY: That’s my question.

GORE VIDAL: When habeas corpus was removed, I think they attributed it to certain desires of the USA Patriot Act. When they got rid of that, they got rid of Magna Carta. When you get rid of that, you get rid of our liberties. The only good thing England ever left us was Magna Carta. Magna Carta guarantees due process of law. You cannot have your life removed, you cannot have your money removed, your freedom removed, except by a trial by jury of your peers, and you could be represented by a lawyer. That’s been eliminated. Sixth Amendment is gone. The speed with which it was done is sort of miraculous, because this is a screw-up administration. They can’t do anything properly. There are those who keep quoting me, because I had said, well, they’d had enough warnings about 9/11 to have done something. Well, that’s the CIA’s warning. They did nothing. So I have to face this every now and then. Well, you said that Bush was in favor of it. And can you prove that? I said, of course I can’t. How would I know? I do know that he is so incompetent. This was a great, successful mission conducted by some crazed religious zealots.

Gore Vidal on US Media 😈 and Society (4/7)

August 1, 2007

Gore Vidal discusses taboo subjects in the media and society, and says the people have no voice because they have no information

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PAUL JAY: There’s a lot of taboo subjects in the media, and even sometimes in the society.

GORE VIDAL: Particularly in the society.

PAUL JAY: Yeah. But one of them is trying to draw any historical lessons from the rise of fascism in Germany, in Italy, and say there’s anything in common.

GORE VIDAL: I’m not joking when I refer to our country as the United States of Amnesia, although I was corrected recently by Studs Terkel out of Chicago. And he said, Gore, it’s not the United States of Amnesia; it’s the United States of Alzheimer’s. I stand corrected.

PAUL JAY: Fascism in Germany wasn’t a coup; it was a many-year process. [crosstalk] feel normal. I’m not suggesting we’re living in an equivalent period, but there are lessons to be learned about it.

GORE VIDAL: But it is equivalent. I mean, don’t be shy of saying that. The response to the Reichstag Fire is precisely that to 9/11, which was invoked by this administration’s people.
And if we don’t fight them over there, we got to fight ’em here. This little fool. How are they going to get here? Greyhound bus? I mean, he is so stupid himself that he assumes everybody else is equally stupid. If he had been really elected, I would say everybody else was stupid, but he wasn’t.

PAUL JAY: But the party that was really elected went along with most of what he did until very recently.

GORE VIDAL: Oh, he didn’t do much of anything. They went along applauding it because they were getting huge contracts for Halliburton.

PAUL JAY: No, I’m talking about the leadership of the Democratic Party went along with the Patriot Act, went along with the war in Iraq.

GORE VIDAL: Have you ever found them? You know where they live?

PAUL JAY: The leadership of the Democratic Party?

GORE VIDAL: They’re like rocks. You know, they’re not visible. There’s some obviously good people in the party. I like Dennis Kucinich, I like Senator Leahy. There are some very good people in Congress. And lets hope they start doing some oversight. But I’m not very sanguine.

PAUL JAY: In the period between 9/11 and Katrina, where in Katrina some cracks started to appear in the Bush armor, we saw a kind of capitulation by American media and all the opposition political leadership. And you saw a face of America that we might see more of.

GORE VIDAL: After all, you are in opposition to American media, and so am I. And we know how false it is, and how corrupt it is, and how engaged they are for mischief, making money for the ownership of the country. There’s nothing to be done about them. And no wonder, even when the American people might ever again, which I doubt, have an uncorrupted presidential election. 2000 was corrupted. 2004 was corrupted. I don’t think we’ll ever get to know the people’s voice, and the people have no voice because they have no information. That is why you’re doing useful work here. That’s why I’m chatting with you here. That could be useful, to tell them actually what happens around the world. That poor guy running for Congress, everybody jumped on him, particularly [inaudible] people. He suggested that our foreign policy might have had something to do with 9/11, that we were deeply disliked in the Muslim world for other reasons. It’s the same presidential, I guess. ‘Do you believe in evolution?’ said this idiot. I mean, to reveal the leadership of the United States hasn’t made it to the 20th century, that our leadership is as ignorant as that. Five of them said, no, no, thinking little lord Jesus was going to vote for them.

PAUL JAY: It’s in these moments of crisis, like terrorist attack, that you start to see people’s colors.


PAUL JAY: In Britain as well, and I was really taken aback. After the bus London bombings, Ken Livingstone, I read Ken Livingstone was asked, was there any connection between these bombings and UK foreign policy, and he said there’s no connection whatsoever. This is just people that hate our way of life.

GORE VIDAL: Yeah, that’s the new lie that they like to tell. Well, that’s Bush all over. They just hate us. Why? Nobody has to ask them why. He doesn’t know why. Well, they envy us, our form of government. Who envies us that can of worms we’ve got in Washington? And it’s been many years in the United States since I have seen a Norwegian coming to get a green card.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: Surly1 on April 14, 2019, 06:55:16 am
Gore Vidal's singular voice is much missed.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 14, 2019, 03:01:04 pm
Gore Vidal's singular voice is much missed.

True. I didn't know his dad taught Groves at West Point. Groves was really the founder of the M.I.C. AND the greatest war criminal in U.S. History. He was in charge of the production of the "enriched" ☠️ (General Groves must have thought up that happy talk adjective - few things are more deadly than concentrated ☠️ Bomb quality Uranium) Uranium Atomic Bomb and pushed hard to drop it on Japan (Yes, the firebombing of Japan probably murdered more civilians in Japan, but it took longer).

It's been all M.I.C. Fascist 'Paradise' downhill since then. (

Gore Vidal did not want to deal with the fact that 911 was an inside job, but I'm sure he suspected that Osama Bin Laden and "crazed religious" Ayrab friends was a convenient Fascist M.I.C. scapegoat.

The response to the Reichstag Fire is precisely that to 9/11, which was invoked by this administration’s people. ( -- Gore Vidal

Here's the latest from those brave Patriots exposing the truth behind all the heinous events that took place on September 11, 2001:

( NEWS  Lawsuit Seeks Answers on Five Men Arrested on 9/11

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Lawsuit Seeks Answers on Five Men Arrested on 9/11
AE911Truth  April 14, 2019

They were among the few individuals we know of to be arrested on 9/11. Five men were pulled over in a white Chevrolet van and taken into custody on the afternoon of September 11, 2001, after they were seen celebrating the World Trade Center attacks from a parking lot across the Hudson River in New Jersey.

The FBI had alerted local police departments to be on the lookout for the van, which was pulled over in East Rutherford, N.J., by Bergen County police. The van was searched by a bomb-sniffing dog, yielding a positive test for the presence of explosive traces, and samples were taken for testing, but the public has never been told whether actual explosive residues were found.

The men were held for 71 days, according to ABC News, before they were deported to their home country of Israel without being charged. Much of the findings of the FBI’s investigation were redacted and have yet to be released to the public.

Though the story received considerable news coverage, neither the FBI nor the U.S. Department of Justice has ever adequately explained to the public why the five men were released without any criminal charges being filed. The 9/11 Commission then failed to consider any of the evidence developed during the FBI’s investigation of the five men.

FBI Newark 9 23 01 Report p2 768

Now, nearly 18 years later, victims’ families and advocates are looking to put an end to the mystery. On March 25 of this year, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, and 9/11 family member Bob McIlvaine filed a lawsuit seeking to force the FBI to assess and report the evidence it gathered during the detention of the five men. The lawsuit also calls for the FBI to address evidence of the World Trade Center’s explosive demolition along with four other areas of unreported 9/11 evidence.

AE911Truth is not attached to the four latter counts of the lawsuit, since they do not relate to our mission of researching and educating the public about the World Trade Center’s explosive demolition. However, we are keenly interested in compelling the FBI to address the evidence regarding the five men arrested in New Jersey Jersey because of the potential that explosives traces were present in the van. Our goal is for the FBI to report the results of any tests for explosive residues that were performed, as such results may shed further light on how the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 were destroyed.

Other types of evidence could also be relevant. For example, one FBI report indicates that a visitor’s card for WTC 1 (or possibly WTC 7) was found in the white van. According to another FBI report, one of the men stated that he had been told by one of his fellow detainees on the morning of 9/11, “They are taking down the second building,” and that they went to watch from the roof. The man further stated that, at the time, he thought the second tower had been demolished to prevent it from tipping over.

Whatever the FBI found during its investigation of these five men, none of it was included in the 9/11 Commission Report nor in the 2015 report by the 9/11 Review Commission, which was mandated by Congress to conduct an assessment of any evidence known to the FBI that was not considered by the 9/11 Commission. Now we are working to enforce Congress’s mandate because the American people and everyone affected by 9/11 deserve to know the truth.

These men were arrested and held for 71 days. What evidence did the FBI gather about them and why was so much redacted? Why were they deported without being charged? And why have the details been kept secret all these years? With this lawsuit, AE911Truth, the Lawyers’ Committee, and Bob McIlvaine are hoping to finally get answers to all these questions.

The full text of the count in the FBI Lawsuit complaint regarding the arrest and investigation of these five individuals is shown below.


50. This is an action pursuant to the Administrative Procedures Act to compel agency action unlawfully withheld; to hold unlawful and set aside agency action found to be arbitrary, capricious, and an abuse of discretion; to hold unlawful and set aside agency action found to be not in accordance with law; and to hold unlawful and set aside agency action found to be in excess of statutory authority or limitations, or short of statutory right.

51. All of the foregoing and subsequent paragraphs are incorporated herein by reference.

52. Another category of evidence related to the 9/11 attacks ignored in the FBI 9/11 Review Commission’s Report is the evidence regarding five individuals who were arrested on 9/11 after witnesses reported that at least three individuals in a white van (license number recorded) were seen celebrating and filming the WTC attack early in the morning of September 11, 2001.

53. The FBI has the names of the five individuals arrested and Plaintiffs’ are in possession of several lengthy redacted investigative reports by the FBI regarding the arrest, interrogation and investigation of these individuals.

54. New Jersey police stopped and arrested these individuals pursuant to a bulletin issued on 9/11 by the FBI regarding the white van, and these individuals were transported by New Jersey State Police to a location where the FBI took custody of these arrestees.

55. According to the FBI’s detailed reports, three individuals were witnessed celebrating (the FBI’s term was “high-fiving”) and filming the WTC during the terrorist attacks on the morning of 9/11/01 as early as the first aircraft strike at the WTC, prior to the second tower being struck by an aircraft, according to two separate eye-witnesses (and a third witness who observed their van arrive at the apartment building in question at 8:15 am on 9/11). The FBI held and interviewed the five persons arrested for some time (weeks).

56. These arrestees self-identified as Israelis, who were eventually deported without indictment or prosecution.

57. One of these individuals arrested has been publicly reported to have made a statement after returning to Israel to the effect that these Israelis were sent to the United States to “document the event” (indicating foreknowledge of 9/11).

58. One foreign newspaper reported, based on an interview with a family member of one of the arrestees, that these individuals had videotaped the collapse of both WTC towers.

59. The five specific individuals arrested on 9/11 in this incident were all reported to have worked for a specific moving company at the time, but evidence was obtained by the FBI indicating that the company may not have been a legitimate moving company.

60. Police and FBI investigations related to the arrest of these individuals on 9/11 are reported to have included, in addition to development of the film confiscated from the arrestees and creation of enlarged prints which showed some of the arrestees smiling as they watched one or both of the WTC towers burning, an explosives residue test on a fabric sample from a blanket found in these individuals’ van and swab samples to be tested for explosive residue.

61. The white van driven by these arrestees was searched by a trained bomb-sniffing dog which yielded a positive result for the presence of explosive traces.

62. At least one WTC1 visitors’ card was found in these arrestees’ van. A phone number was also found in the possession of one of the arrestees which corresponded to another moving company that the FBI’s Miami office believed had been used by one of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

63. One of the arrestees stated to the FBI that one of his coworkers told him on the morning of 9/11 that “they are taking down the second building” and he and a few of his coworkers climbed onto the roof of the company’s building to observe the WTC and take photographs, and at the time he stated he thought the second WTC tower had been demolished intentionally to prevent it from tipping over.

64. The FBI as part of its investigation compiled the addresses used by the alleged hijackers, the addresses used by suspected associates of the alleged hijackers, and the addresses used by the five arrestees. An FBI report indicates that one or more of these arrestees was possibly connected to a suspect in the WTC terrorist attacks.

65. The manager of the company that employed the five individuals arrested, whose name is also known by the FBI, apparently fled the country after the arrest of his five employees.

66. Some of the FBI agents who were involved with the detention and interviews of these “high-fivers” were reported to have drawn the conclusion that these arrestees were in some way involved with the 9/11 terror attacks.

67. These arrestees were eventually released and deported, apparently against the better judgment of some of the FBI agents involved in the investigation.

68. The evidence noted above regarding these “high-fivers” was not considered by the original 9/11 Commission, and was not assessed in the later 9/11 Review Commission’s Report.

69. Although all of the above referenced facts and FBI investigative reports regarding these “high-fivers” were (obviously) in the possession of the FBI during the FBI 9/11 Review Commission’s work, none of this evidence was assessed by the 9/11 Review Commission or reported to Congress by the 9/11 Review Commission, in violation of the mandate of Congress.

70. The actions of Defendants challenged in this Count of the Complaint are final agency actions for which there is no other adequate remedy in a court other than via the federal mandamus statute 28 U.S.C. § 1361 (addressed in Count II.B infra).

71. For all the reasons stated herein, Plaintiffs are entitled to declaratory and injunctive relief to remedy Defendants’ failure to comply with their non-discretionary duty imposed by Congress requiring Defendants to have prepared an external independent assessment of any evidence known to the FBI that was not considered by the 9/11 Commission related to any factors that contributed in any manner to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, specifically in regard to the aforementioned evidence of the arrest, interrogation, and investigation of the 9/11 “High-Fivers.”


72. All of the foregoing and subsequent paragraphs are incorporated herein by reference, specifically including the paragraphs in Count II.A.

73. The actions of Defendants challenged in this Count of the Complaint are final agency actions for which there is no other adequate remedy in a court, other than via the APA (addressed in Count II.A. supra).

74. For all the reasons stated herein, Plaintiffs are entitled to injunctive relief via the federal mandamus statute 28 U.S.C. § 1361 to remedy Defendants’ failure to comply with their non-discretionary duty imposed by Congress requiring Defendants to have prepared an external independent assessment of any evidence known to the FBI that was not considered by the 9/11 Commission related to any factors that contributed in any manner to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, specifically in regard to the aforementioned evidence of the arrest, interrogation, and investigation of the 9/11 “High-Fivers.”
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 14, 2019, 10:18:51 pm
Agelbert NOTE: Don't miss this podcast interview with two engineers who tell it EXACTLY how it is. The way a building collapses under the laws of physics is NOT a "conspiracy theory".


Host Andy Steele is joined by structural engineer Fred Schaejbe and civil engineer Dan May who, as volunteers with Project Due Diligence, recently gave a public presentation of the WTC evidence in Wisconsin.

🔊 4/11/19: Fred Schaejbe and Dan May Interview Podcast (

Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 14, 2019, 11:42:33 pm
Agelbert NOTE: This is how I dealt, three years ago now, with two propagandist bold faced liars trying to mock my efforts to expose the 911 truth. I suggest you do the same.

👹 MKing: Don't say you weren't warned when you lift the lid on the crazy box.

👹 I know.   ;)
I am completely open to being persuaded that the conspiracies are true, but it has to be based on evidence, not joining the dots.
I am completely up to speed on this, and have no doubt I will NOT be given evidence.
Abuse, certainly, especially from AG.

I could always spend my time on some other blog - moonofalabama has far fewer crazies on it.

I'm so sorry you feel so abused by the Law of Gravity and its "stubborn" applicability to the physics involved in the demolition of WTC 7. The last time I checked, New York City is on the surface of the Earth and WTC 7 was there too. The force of gravity there is 32 feet per second squared for ANY object, or part of one, in free fall. I was taught that "free fall" acceleration cannot be achieved when something is in the way of that free fall. When any part of a building being demolished is in the way because it ain't broke yet, you CANNOT achieve free fall.

And, in order to break all that stuff in the way OUT OF THE WAY in order to achieve FREE FALL, you need a very precise demolition sequence on EVERY support column, not just one or a few, that supports the building NEAR THE BASE OF THE BUILDING (where, in WTC 7' s case, there WERE NO FIRES). It takes at least two weeks ( rush job) to rig that demolition sequence. 

I guess you have other special knowledge about how to get around the laws of physics that you would like to enlighten us with.  ;)

As for MKing, it is expected that he would label "crazy" anyone that understands and can accurately measure what an acceleration of 32 feet per second squared is. That is what propagandists devoid of any ethical constraints whatsoever do to defend the propaganda lies they are paid to push.   

But if you pair of propagandists want to push this BULLSHIT effectively, I suggest you switch from fallacious debating techniques like appeals to authority or arrogant puffery to some really clever mendacity like, for example    (,  claiming the following video below has been "doctored" to make it look like the building fell at free fall speeds. You really ought to do that because, as long as you agree that the following video was not "doctored", you expose, for all to see, your serial mendacity. 

Who are ya gonna believe, Palloy and MKing, or yer own lyin' eyes?

Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 15, 2019, 12:17:34 am
Anatomy of a Great Deception

Sep 16, 2014 | 3,116,485 views | by Stop And Think

More info at
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Post by: AGelbert on April 15, 2019, 06:24:05 pm





NIST (National 😈 Institute of Standards and Technology) had to LIE ( even more outrageously in regard to the WTC 7 seismic signal that occurred 10 seconds 💥 BEFORE WTC 7 began its FREE FALL. Free fall ONLY occurs in a controlled demolition. (

📢 Hear the full podcast with all the irrefutable seismic evidence of explosions BEFORE the aircraft hit the towers HERE (

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Post by: AGelbert on April 16, 2019, 07:29:29 pm
Agelbert NOTE: Notice that nice picture below of "Saint" 😇 Mueller 😉  with 🦖 Shrub. Mueller was the CROOK that BURIED 911, just like he BURIED the Trump ( crimes under a mountain of legalese BULLSHIT.

911 IS the KEYSTONE CRIME that gave us the Fascist Government now busy getting rid of the last vestige of American freedoms. Welcome to ( NAZI GERMANY, Circa 2019. 😨 😱


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Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 17, 2019, 06:01:52 pm
The Far Right Takeover of America is Almost Complete-- What Happens When Fanatical Extremists Capture All of a Country’s Institutions? Bu Umair Haque

Yep.  (

I read the post and even that seems too hopeful. Mueller ain't gonna do NADA to prevent more and more Fascist Police State ( mayhem.

America being among the ten worst places to be a woman, the worst place in the rich world to be a mother or a child or a retiree, and many, many more places on dismal lists of worsts. Why is that?

Because of Oligarchic corruption.

... you can’t capture the three branches of government if social institutions are working properly. Institutions such as the press, academia, media, and so on. And yet here too, American institutions failed, and failed catastrophically.
The above is a conditional statement. The social institutions in the USA have had there ethical ups and downs, but beneath the principled ethical facade has always lurkered the power of money to foster inequality for the express purpose of allowing the monied parasites to lawlessly act with impunity (i.e. Oligarchy).

PAUL JAY: There’s this fundamental belief, religious belief, that America’s foreign policy since World War II has been a fight for freedom.

GORE VIDAL: Well, it never was. And the belief that we’re a democracy. That means you know nothing about the Constitution. The people who made the Constitution hated democracy. Some of them put up with it better than others. Jefferson was pretty good on the subject. The others just loathed it.
GORE VIDAL: The Federalist Papers are very clear. Whenever one of the founding fathers, and one of the people who was inventing the Constitution, they start to get apoplectic at the mention of Athens, the mention of Pericles, the mention of democracy. They go on and on about mobs, and we don’t want this, and we don’t want that. We’re an oligarchy of the well-to-do. We were at the very beginning, when the Constitution was made, and we’re even more so now.

Gore Vidal did not want to go further down that (unexamined life) rabbit hole, but I routinely do. As long as everything has a price in the currency of the realm, money will corrupt any and all institutions that benefit (even if originally an oligarchic facade, but that obtained some democracy fostering teeth along the way) of we-the-people, aling with most citizens of the realm. The problem is the Capitalist worship of materialism, as Chris Hedges has often pointed out.

The following is, IMHO, a naive statement:
American media was hopelessly out of its depth.

This statement assumes good intentions by the media that were thwarted by ignorance and/or incompetence. I disagree. The Media is a rigidly controlled propaganda arm of Fascist USA. They know exactly what they can push and what they are told to use to head the herd off in the wrong direction. They are not incompetent. They are bought and paid for.
And so here we are. The far right takeover of America is almost complete. Fanatical extremists of a kind unseen since Nazi Germany have taken over almost every single last American institution, from government to public sphere.

Bang! Soon enough, it was game over. By 2019 — now — the following institutions had all fallen to the fanatical extreme right. The executive. The judiciary. The legislature. The press. The public sphere. What was left?

Not much, my friends, not much. And that is the point. The extreme right wing takeover of America is almost complete, finito, over and done with. There is very little standing in the way now. By my reckoning, one last barely functioning institution. An election. Will it matter — or will apathy and fear carry the day? You be the judge of that.
Umair is right about where we are. My quibble is with the timing of the takeover. The Constitution was written by and for a tiny group of wealthy, landed white men. All the rights that came forth from the subsequent Bill of Rights were for them, not for anybody else. The courts have been playing the game of pretending otherwise, while, in practice, consistently looking the other way at lawless oligarchic behavior, ever since.

Umair mentions the failure to connect the dots by too many. Here is a man who has totally connected the dots:


September 2016

Bob McIlvaine 👍👍👍 is the father of Robert McIlvaine Jr., who was murdered on 9/11. In an attempt to discover how his son died, Bob attended all but one of the 9/11 Commission Hearings. He has since has been very outspoken about the need for the truth about 9/11. Bob has appeared in documentaries and news stories that call into question the official account of the 9/11 attacks.


How I learned that peace may never be achieved

by Robert McIlvaine

Since Bobby’s death on 9-11, I have been on a journey to find the truth of how and why he died and who really killed him. I was not satisfied, from the beginning, with the official story of his death. I also feared that violence around the world would escalate as a result of this horrendous act.

In 2002, I joined September 11th Families For Peaceful Tomorrows, a group of activists whose name was inspired by a Martin Luther King statement: “Wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows,” In the early part of the new decade we marched hand in hand for peace in Washington and New York, hoping that 9-11 would not be justification for increased war efforts. I’ll never forget the moment when I was arrested on the Capitol lawn, proudly carrying a banner stating, “Not In My Son’s Name,” which referred to the use of 9-11 by Bush to further any war efforts.

Later, at the World Conference on Victims of Violence in Bogata, Columbia, I told Bobby’s story to a packed audience of survivors of various atrocities. I was honored to have the opportunity to share my pain and grief with those who truly understood the price of violence.

Back in the United States, I regularly attended the 9-11 Commission Hearings, patiently listening to testimony while hoping to find answers to an official story that continued to make little sense. Instead, I felt frustrated with the inability of the Commission to discover anything new or enlightening. Witnesses, including Condoleezza Rice, were not accountable to the Commission or the American people. Ms Rice, to my dismay, filibustered her way through each of the questions posed by the Commissioners. I returned home very discouraged.

In 2005, on the 60th anniversary of the atomic bombing, I was asked to join Peaceful Tomorrows on a march from Nagasaki to Hiroshima, honoring those who have died in war. I walked beside the Hibakusha, survivors of the attack. They showed amazing pride, never taking on the role of victim, though many were treated as outcasts by their own people. The Hibakusha‘s courage impressed in me the need to continue my quest for peace and truth.

I returned home, deciding that if the US government was not going to give me the real answers to 9-11, then I’d find them myself. Why, I wondered, was it so hard to go against the government’s version of a story that did not make sense? I wanted to know why the media always seemed as far from a “free press” as one could imagine, often ignoring obvious breakthroughs in information. Why, also, did peace seem even farther away than before 9-11, frustrating the peace community? Our children died that horrible day and it was now being used as fodder for more escalation, more deaths.

My quest for truth took me to both the traditional history sources as well as books written by outstanding authors who questioned the “company line” and sought deeper answers than what was offered in the news or in press conferences. As I searched, I recalled quotes by Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Franklin Roosevelt, initially read years ago by me when their dire warnings meant very little to a young college student studying history.

Eisenhower, in a famous speech in 1961, warned of the dangers of “unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex.”

Kennedy, later that year, warned of a “monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence-on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.”

Fascinated with these predictions by such stellar leaders, I began to probe further, seeing patterns, taking a harder look at the circumstances leading to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. I looked farther back in history, reading about Operation Gladio and the Gulf of Tonkin in a different, more knowledgeable light.

Was 9-11 another false flag; I was beginning to see the truth. I wondered if Presidents truly had any power to wage peace. Were special interests groups with unimaginable wealth and power, who were often referred to as “Shadow Government,” controlling the decisions of war?

After more continued research, I learned that these clandestine operatives would never allow control of the government to the people. They would instead rely on disinformation (weapons of mass destruction is a perfect example), fabrication of injustices, and the spreading of propaganda to justify their aggressive acts. Could these elite few be responsible for the upheavals in so many countries when it appeared to the general public that we were in those countries to “promote democracy”?

As I continued my reading I recalled a quote by Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s Propaganda Minister: “You tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people eventually come to believe it.” He went on to say that the truth “is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the state.”

Sadly, I came to a conclusion best said by Woodrow Wilson and unfortunately, true today. “We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world, no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.”

From hours and hours of research, I have learned that the truth of 9-11 as well as the truth regarding who really holds the power in this country and throughout the world, are not in our best interests to know, according to those elite few who choose to control our destiny.

Unfortunately, peace and the truth are not part of that destiny.

Connecting The Dots Of 9-11 (

I posted this bit of hope, in regard to Sanders, recently on disqus:

EVERY TIME I post on Daily Kos (which is not frequent, believe me), I am ruthlessly attacked.

Two years ago, some Daily Kos Mueller cheerleader said that, with Mueller, Trump's treason would begin to be exposed. I replied that Trump's treason would begin to be BURIED by Mueller. It has been buried. Qui bono, eh?

About a week ago I posted how 👹 Pelosi, her "health" insurance operative 😈Wendell Primus and DCCC  😈 Cheri Bustos are out to sabotage Medicare for All.

Boy, did they go nuts with with prissy claims I was being "inflammatory and "divisive" (see Orwell).

President Carter stated a few years ago that, "The USA is ruled by an Oligarchy." All that said, I do think that the people here or in any other country, regardless of how powerful the evil bastards running the government are, DO have the power to overthrow tyranny.

THAT is why I am rooting for Sanders. IF he is allowed to win the election, it means the oligarchs are scared shitless of we-the-people and are planning on using Sanders as a POTUS pressure relief valve. They will need to bring a sandwich if they think they can bend Sanders the way they bent Obama.

At any rate, with President Sanders, and a Democratic Party ruled Senate and House (of course), we-the-people will have some relief from the continued onslaught of fascist based, penury imposing inequality now crushing us.

Sanders is also the only one out there who really understands the FACT that, we either get off of polluting fossil fuels or we, including those "mysterious oligarchs" who cannot see past their profit over people and planet STUPID noses, are all dead.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 17, 2019, 07:10:40 pm

Ilhan Omar ( Is Right: Some People Did Something on 9/11

AE911Truth  April 17, 2019

A snippet from U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar’s recent speech at the Council on American-Islamic Relations, in which she referred to 9/11 by saying that “some people did something,” went viral last week. It triggered a torrent of manufactured outrage — including a tweet by President Donald Trump — claiming that she was trying to downplay the horror of 9/11 and resulting in death threats against her.

The underlying truth, which has been completely missed throughout the controversy, is that the public still doesn’t know exactly “who” did something on 9/11 and “what” that something was.

This video features some of the many reporters and anchors who brought us the story of “what” really happened on 9/11, before that story was suppressed. In order of appearance:

N.J. Burkett (WABC); Aaron Brown (CNN); Ashleigh Banfield (MSNBC); David Lee Miller (Fox News); Peter Jennings (ABC); Minah Kathuria (NBC); Mark Haines (CNBC); Patty Sabga (CNN); Tom Flynn (CBS); Ron Insana (CNBC); John Bussey (The Wall Street Journal); Pat Dawson (NBC); Rick Sanchez (MSNBC); Brian Williams (MSNBC); Tom Brokaw (NBC); Jeffrey Beatty (CNN Contributor, Total Security International); Jack Kelley (USA Today).

We encourage everyone to share this video widely and inject some reality into the debate surrounding Representative Omar’s remarks.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 24, 2019, 08:55:39 pm

April 24, 2019

Richard Gage, AIA

Tomorrow We End the Conspiracy of Silence at the ASCE Structures Congress (
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 26, 2019, 10:29:51 pm

9/11 Free Fall - 4/25/19: Craig Mckee on media, censorship, and Omar controversy

Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on April 29, 2019, 05:26:08 pm

Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on May 03, 2019, 06:34:14 pm


Breaking Through the Conspiracy of Silence: AE911Truth at the ASCE Structures Congress

AE911Truth  May 2, 2019

On this week’s episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by civil engineer and AE911Truth board member Roland Angle to discuss his team's outreach, as part of Project Due Diligence, at the annual conference of the ASCE’s Structural Engineering Institute held in Orlando last week.


Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on May 10, 2019, 07:29:22 pm

Who are the volunteers 👨‍🔬 for Project Due Diligence?

Here are several of the original members of the group, who bring their own expertise and experience to the project:

Roland Angle, CE, is a civil engineer with a Bachelor of Science degree from UC Berkeley. He has 50 years of experience in the design and testing of blast-hardened missile launch facilities and in the design of U.S. Naval explosive’s containers, harbor terminal facilities, earth foundation systems, and hydraulic systems. He has owned three construction companies and has taught high school engineering-related subjects.

Lynn Affleck, PE, has a BS in civil engineering from the University of Utah and first worked as a structural engineering specialist, designing heavy structures for the petrochemical industry. He went on to establish his own engineering business, which he operated for 21 years. He returned to engineering with a new consulting firm for which he continues to work part-time.

Jeffrey Bishop has a BS in civil engineering from the University of Texas at Austin. Since graduating in 2010, his work has focused on designing architectural building envelopes for high-rise structures and industrial projects.

Charles Coleman, PE, has a BS in civil engineering from San Diego State University and did civil engineering graduate studies at Uppsala University in Sweden. He worked as a surveyor with the California Aqueduct Project, and then went on to a 42-year career in structural steel design involving the Trans-Alaska Oil Pipeline as well as working on construction projects in Saudi Arabia. He has worked for the Alaska Department of Transportation and done private consulting. He also has piloted large Boeing jets for American Airlines. He was flying 757s and 767s for AA's International Division at the time of 9/11. In fact, he had served as captain on two of the jets that were alleged to have been hijacked: AA11, which is alleged to have flown into the WTC North Tower; and AA77, which is alleged to have hit the Pentagon.

Larry Cooper, PE, has a BS in civil engineering from the University of Wisconsin and an MS in structural engineering from the University of Illinois. He has 40 years’ experience as a consulting engineer involved in structural design and construction of major wastewater treatment facilities as well as highway and railway bridges. His first consultancy led him to become involved in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the late 1960s, and he became affiliated with an organization called Unitarian Universalists for Justice in the Middle East.

Bill Graham, PE, received a BS in mechanical engineering and a BA in environmental studies from the State University of New York at Stony Brook, an MS in civil engineering from the New Jersey Institute of Technology, and a master of management degree from Northwestern University. He has more than 40 years of experience in engineering studies, design and construction, working with government and industrial clients in chemical, civil, and environmental spheres.

Michael Herzig has a BS in civil engineering from the University of Colorado at Boulder and has retired with 42 years of experience in public works. He was employed for 11 years by the City of Los Angeles Bureau of Engineering, where he did street, drainage, and wastewater system design, as well as construction management. He also supervised operations in their hydraulic research laboratory and performed failure analysis in the wake of various environmental disasters. He supervised engineers for the City of Fort Collins, CO, working on transportation facility design and plan review. This experience included analysis of reinforced concrete and steel bridges.

Gene Johnson has a BS in mechanical engineering from the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology and more than 30 years of construction and mining experience. He designed and used heavy machinery in open pit mining operations and is familiar with the use of explosives.

Dan May received a BS in civil engineering from Marquette University and began his career doing construction management. He moved on to the field of employee safety in industrial plants where he gained considerable experience in root cause analysis following workplace accidents. He has an understanding of forensic engineering investigations. Dan also has an MBA and does product development work. 

Kathy McGrade has a BS in materials engineering from the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology and has done related graduate studies at Stanford University. She began her career working for various start-up companies, including Starstruck, where she developed satellite-delivery rockets; and Metcal, where she worked with shape-memory alloy materials.

Zaida Owre, PE, has a BS in civil engineering from UC Berkeley. She is retired after more than 20 years working for the Pacific Gas and Electric Company and the Alameda County Public Works Agency in California.

Fred Schaejbe, PE, has a BS in civil engineering from Tufts University and received a scholarship to the University of Illinois to obtain his MS in structural engineering. For 21 years he worked in structural design and project management involving steel structures for offshore drilling operations and production platforms for the oil and gas industries. After moving to Wisconsin, he devoted another 24 years to civil engineering projects.

John Schuler, PE, has BS and MS degrees in civil engineering from Lehigh University and the University of Alaska, respectively. He has 27 years’ experience with geotechnical and transportation projects, including 15 years with the Virginia Department of Transportation.

Ibrahim Soudy, Ph.D., PE, received his Bachelor's, Master's, and Doctoral degrees in structural engineering from the University of Alberta. He has more than 30 years of academic and practical experience in the design and evaluation of bridges, buildings, and offshore marine and materials-handling structures in structural engineering projects.

Tony Szamboti has a BS in mechanical engineering from Villanova University. He has decades of experience in the aerospace and communications industries and has designed many types of structures for use in dynamic environments.


Project Due Diligence One Year In: Educating Engineers Across the U.S. About 9/11

Laurie Sihvonen  May 10, 2019


The relentless push by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth for a new investigation into the destruction of the three World Trade Center towers has opened a promising new front over the past year thanks to the volunteer efforts of more than 40 engineers.

In May of 2018, AE911Truth launched a bold initiative called Project Due Diligence (PDD) aimed at engaging and educating the nation's civil and structural engineers. The project is spearheaded by AE911Truth board member Roland Angle, CE, who has made it his mission to galvanize America's engineering community to restore the professional and scientific credibility it lost after 9/11.

Civil engineer Roland Angle speaks at the first presentation of Project Due Diligence in April 2018 at the Marines’ Memorial Association in San Francisco.

The PDD presentation also cites major errors in Zdeněk Bažant's “Progressive Collapse Theory,” which he submitted to the ASCE just two days after 9/11 and was published in their Journal of Engineering Mechanics just a few months later. AE911Truth takes the position that the ASCE leadership performed unethically from the start of the official investigations. In addition to failing to protest the illegal removal of debris (i.e., physical evidence) from the WTC crime scene, the ASCE continues to suppress scientific challenges to the data and methodology used by both the Bažant and NIST analyses, which misrepresent the building collapse mechanisms.

The opening of the PDD video.

Angle and his team maintain that it is the professional duty of engineers to become familiar with the official reports endorsed by the profession’s most publicly visible organization (ASCE) and to assess the merit of any challenges to those reports. It is incumbent upon engineers, they argue, to carefully review all discourse on these catastrophic building failures in order to ensure public safety and uphold U.S. engineering standards.

Full article with great pictures: (

Project Due Diligence One Year In: Educating Engineers Across the U.S. About 9/11 (


For updates about Project Due Diligence, stay tuned to the weekly radio show 9/11 Free Fall, where presenters are interviewed after giving their presentations. To listen to archives of past interviews with presenters, go to
Title: Israel's Role In 9/11
Post by: Surly1 on June 04, 2019, 05:12:24 am
remember the "dancing Israelis?" Never forget.

Israel's Role In 9/11

FBI evidence supports prior knowledge or complicity

By Philip Giraldi

June 03, 2019 "Information Clearing House" -  The tale of 9/11 will just not go away, largely because it is clear to anyone who reads the lengthy 9/11 Commission Report that many issues that should have been subject to inquiry were ignored for what would appear to be political reasons. The George W. Bush Administration quite obviously did not want to assume any blame for what had happened and that bias also extended to providing cover for U.S. “allies,” most particularly Saudi Arabia and Israel. Those who have sought the truth about 9/11 have been persistent in their attempts to find out information that was suppressed but they have been blocked repeatedly in spite of numerous FOIA requests.

Now, eighteen years after the event, there has been something like a breakthrough, penetrating the wall of silence erected by the government. FBI reports on the possible Israeli role in 9/11 were released on May 7th and they serve to support speculation by myself and other former intelligence officers that Israel, at a minimum, had detailed prior knowledge of what was to take place. More than that, Israeli intelligence officers working in the United States might well have enabled certain aspects of the conspiracy.

To recount some of what is already known and suspected, one should first examine the 2016 release of a heavily edited and redacted 28 pages long annex to the 9/11 Commission Report that explored the Saudi Arabian role in the terrorist attack . The section concluded that the Saudi government may have played a direct role in 9/11 by assisting two of the hijackers, including a dry run exercise intended to learn how to get into a plane’s cockpit. There was also considerable evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda.

But far exceeding the Saudi role is the involvement of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, which was not subject to any serious inquiry or investigation by U.S. intelligence or police agencies. Israel, in spite of obvious involvement in 9/11, was not included in the 9/11 Commission Report despite the existence of an enormous Israeli intelligence operation freely working in the United States that was known to the FBI. Some of those Mossad officers were notably filmed celebrating as the Twin Towers were burning and collapsing.

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In the year 2001 Israel was running a massive spying operation through a number of cover companies in New Jersey, Florida and also on the west coast that served as spying mechanisms for Mossad officers. The effort was supported by the Mossad Station in Washington D.C. and included a large number of volunteers, the so-called “art students” who traveled around the U.S. selling various products at malls and outdoor markets. The FBI was aware of the numerous Israeli students who were routinely overstaying their visas and some in the Bureau certainly believed that they were assisting their country’s intelligence service in some way, but it proved difficult to actually link the students to undercover operations, so they were regarded as a minor nuisance and were normally left to the tender mercies of the inspectors at the Bureau of Customs and Immigration.

American law enforcement was also painfully aware that the Israelis were running more sophisticated intelligence operations inside the United States, many of which were focused on Washington’s military capabilities and intentions. Some specialized intelligence units concentrated on obtaining military and dual use technology. It was also known that Israeli spies had penetrated the phone systems of the U.S. government, to include those at the White House.

In its annual classified counterespionage review, the FBI invariably places Israel at the top for “friendly” countries that spy on the U.S. In fact, the pre-9/11 Bureau did its best to stay on top of the problem, but it rarely received any political support from the Justice Department and White House if an espionage case involved Israelis. By one estimate, more than 100 such cases were not prosecuted for political reasons. Any Israeli caught in flagrante would most often be quietly deported and most Americans who were helping Israel were let off with a slap on the wrist.

But the hands-off attitude towards Israel shifted dramatically when, on September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife saw something from the window of her apartment building, which overlooked the World Trade Center. She watched as the buildings burned and crumbled but also noted something strange. Three young men were kneeling on the roof of a white transit van parked by the water’s edge, making a movie in which they featured themselves high fiving and laughing in front of the catastrophic scene unfolding behind them. The woman wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police, who responded quickly and soon both the local force and the FBI began looking for the vehicle, which was subsequently seen by other witnesses in various locations along the New Jersey waterfront, its occupants “celebrating and filming.”

The license plate number revealed that the van belonged to a New Jersey registered company called Urban Moving Systems. At 4 p.m. the vehicle was spotted and pulled over. Five men between the ages of 22 and 27 years old emerged and were detained at gunpoint and handcuffed. They were all Israelis. One of them had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock and another had two foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs reacted to the smell of explosives in the van, which had very little actual moving equipment inside.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan Kurzberg, stated “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” The four other passengers were Sivan’s brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men were detained at the Bergen County jail in New Jersey before being transferred the FBI’s Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which handles allegations of spying.

After the arrest, the FBI obtained a warrant to search Urban Moving System’s Weehawken, N.J., offices. Papers and computers were seized. The company owner Dominick Suter, also an Israeli, answered FBI questions but when a follow-up interview was set up a few days later it was learned that he had fled the country for Israel, putting both his business and home up for sale. The office space and warehouse were abandoned. It was later learned that Suter has been associated with at least fourteen businesses in the United States, mostly in New Jersey and New York but also in Florida. Suter and his wife Omit Levinson Suter were the owners of 1 Stop Cleaner located in Wellington Florida and Dominick was also associated with Basia McDonnell, described as a Polish “holocaust survivor,” as a business partner in yet another business called Value Ad. Florida was a main focus for the Israeli intelligence operation in the U.S. that was directed against Arabs.

The five Israelis were among 140 Israelis arrested after 9/11, most of whom had military backgrounds, including some who were trained in “intelligence.” The five were held in Brooklyn, initially on charges relating to visa fraud. FBI interrogators questioned them for more than two months. Several were held in solitary confinement so they could not communicate with each other and two of them were given repeated polygraph exams, which they failed when claiming that they were nothing more than students working summer jobs. The two men that the FBI focused on most intensively were believed to be Mossad staff officers and the other three were volunteers helping with surveillance.

The Israelis were not exactly cooperative, but the FBI concluded from documents obtained at their office in Weehawken that they were targeting Arabs in New York and New Jersey, most particularly in the Paterson N.J. area, which has the second largest Muslim population in the U.S. They were particularly interested in local groups possibly linked to Hamas and Hezbollah as well as in charities that might be used for fund raising. The FBI also concluded that the Israelis had actually monitored the activities of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers.

To be sure, working on an intelligence operation does not necessarily imply participation in either the planning or execution of something like 9/11, but there are Israeli fingerprints all over the place, with cover companies and intelligence personnel often intersecting with locations frequented by the hijackers.

Apart from the interrogations of the five men from Weehawken, the U.S. government has apparently never sought to find out what else the Israelis might have known or were up to in September 2011. There are a lot of dots that might well have been connected once upon a time, but the trail has grown cold. Police records in New Jersey and New York where the men were held have disappeared and FBI interrogation reports have been inaccessible. Media coverage of the case also died, though the five were referred to in the press as the “dancing Israelis” and by some, more disparagingly, as the “dancing Shlomos.”

Inevitably, the George W. Bush White House intervened. After 71 days in detention, the five Israelis were released from prison by Attorney General John Ashcroft, put on a plane, and deported. Two of the men later spoke about their unpleasant experience in America on an Israeli talk show, one explaining that their filming the fall of the Twin Towers was to “document the event.” In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.” They were represented by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, who in the previous year had founded the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center which seeks to bankrupt groups that Israel considers to be “terrorists.” Shurat HaDin is closely tied to the Israeli government.

Now it is just possible that the Urban Moving Israelis were indeed uninvolved in 9/11 but nevertheless working for Mossad, which the Israeli government even subsequently admitted, but the new evidence suggests that the Israelis almost certainly had considerable prior knowledge and were likely involved in what developed. The new information reveals that minutes after the first plane struck the World Trade Center, five Israelis had taken up position in the parking lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where they took pictures and filmed the attacks while also celebrating the fall of the towers and “high fiving.” One eyewitness interviewed by the Bureau had seen the Israelis’ van circling the building parking at 8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack, indicating prior knowledge of what was about to happen.

The eyewitness testimony is supported by copies of photos taken by the men that the FBI seized. The photo reproductions were obtained via a FOIA request made by a private citizen and are of poor quality, deliberately made so by the FBI to conceal faces and other details. They constitute only 14 of over seventy photos taken by the Israelis. Nevertheless, they clearly demonstrate that a celebration was going on. One photo, intriguingly, shows Sivan Kurzberg holding a lit lighter in front of the Manhattan Skyline on September 10th, one day before 9/11. It was apparently taken at the Doric Complex on a reconnoitering visit made on that day and suggests that Kurzberg was simulating the attack on the towers on the following day.

Why would the Israelis do it? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described 9/11 initially as “a good thing.” He was later quoted as saying somewhat more expansively “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.” To be sure, 9/11 was a gift to Israel and it is a gift that keeps on giving. America is at war in a number of Muslim countries and its troops blanket the Middle East, to include a base in Israel dedicated to the defense of that country. It is all a result of the Global War on Terror and the GWOT started with 9/11. And just maybe it was a fire that was ignited by Israel.

Philip Giraldi is a former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and a columnist and television commentator who is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is

This article was originally published by "Unz Review"-
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on June 04, 2019, 05:26:27 pm
remember the "dancing Israelis?" Never forget.

Israel's Role In 9/11

FBI evidence supports prior knowledge or complicity

Great post! 👍👍👍
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on June 10, 2019, 07:31:59 pm

9/11 Free Fall

Niels Harrit: In Terms of Exposing What Happened on 9/11, We Have Already Won

Agelbert NOTE: I learned much from scientist Niels Harrit in this podcast that I was not aware of about what happened on 9/11. The video below has proof of explosives in plain sight (beyond the narration pointing to squibs and the line of explosives), though I had never realized that until I listened to Niels Harrit explain it. Please, Do not miss this 🔊podcast. ( (

North Tower 💥 Exploding


Published on Feb 12, 2010

This is a narration of a video clip of the North Tower of the World Trade Center which focuses on explosive ejections progressing in waves down the faces of the building under the canopy of falling debris. Observation is the foundation of science.
My new DVD:  "9/11 Analysis" is now out.  Go to .

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Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on June 12, 2019, 01:54:43 pm
👍 Excellent coverage of current events! (

Particularly insightful is the "Of Two Minds" article. It addresses our situation quite well:

Of Two Minds - The Self-Destructive Trajectory of Overly Successful 🦍 Empires (


I now see a very obvious trajectory that I think applies to all empires that have been too successful, that is, empires which have defeated all rivals or have reached such dominance they have no real competitors.

Once there are no truly dangerous rivals to threaten the Imperial hegemony and prosperity, the ambitions of insiders turn from glory gained on the battlefield by defeating fearsome rivals to gaining an equivalently undisputed power over the imperial political system.

The empire's very success in eliminating threats and rivals dissolves the primary source of political unity: with no credible external threat, insiders are free to devote their energies and resources to destroying political rivals.

It's difficult not to see signs of this same trajectory in the U.S. since the fall of the Soviet Empire in 1990.

With the primary source of national unity gone, politics became more divisive. After 9/11, new wars of choice were pursued, but the claims of a mortal threat to the nation never really caught on. As a result, the unity that followed 9/11 quickly dissipated.

I have long held that America's Deep State--the permanent, un-elected government and its many proxies and public-private partnerships--is riven by warring elites. There is no purpose in making the conflict public, so the battles are waged in private, behind closed doors.

Competing nations must be just as amazed as Rome's neighbors at America's seemingly unquenchable drive to self-destruct via the in-fighting of entrenched elites and the battle for supremacy between various parasitic elites who hold the power and privilege to squander the nation's resources on needless self-destructive wars of choice and on domestic in-fighting.

I suspect this trajectory of great success leading to self-destructive waste of resources is scale-invariant, meaning it works the same on individuals, families, communities, enterprises, cities, states, nations and empires.

Indeed, the trajectory is scale-invariant.
Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. -- Provebs 26:12

As he says, the 9/11 based wars of choice fooled most Americans for only a brief time before they realized the wars had ZIP to do with National Security/Defense and EVERYTHING to do with the M.I.C. "business model".

What he should have mentioned is that 9/11 was evidence of deep state fascists gaining undisputed power over the imperial political system (SEE: Fascist Coup d'etat). It was BECAUSE of 9/11 that those wars of choice came about. It was BECAUSE of the 2000 stolen election, aided and abetted by the Supreme (fascist) Court, that a PNAC M.I.C. caused false flag "New Pearl Harbor", planned since 1998, could become a reality.

We now know what Bush, the 2000-2008 M.I.C. Hydrocarbon Hellspawn front man, REALLY meant when he said, in August of 2001, that he was "going fishing" (SEE: two WTC shaped rectangular lures (



Doom and Fascist Gloom aside for a moment, there is some good news. ( The Green Party WON in Germany (!  ( ( That has never happened before. Expect 2016-2020 M.I.C. Hydrocarbon ( Hellspawn front man Trump( to spew twitter vitriol on Germany with even more demonic vigor than ever before.
He had better bring a sandwich. (
Title: There are two "tells" in the article that point to deliberate disinformation
Post by: AGelbert on June 16, 2019, 03:51:38 pm
Retired Turkish spy claims he warned CIA about 9/11 attacks 40 days in advance
( ( ( - The founder of the counter-terrorism department of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization (MIT) has claimed in his new book that he warned U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) about the Sept. …

🤔 Hmmmmm. This looks like a limited hang out by the CIA, it being that the Engineers for 9/11 Truth have been carefully and systematically shredding the WTC 7 "collapse" baloney pushed by NIST. As the CIA has done since 9/11, this appears to be still another attempt to keep the horrible truth about M.I.C. responsiblity for the planning of 9/11, the execution of 9/11, and the subsequent active and continuous cover up of the truth about 9/11 suppressed.

There are two "tells" in the article that point to deliberate disinformation about both 9/11 and the criminal perpetrators of 9/11. The first one is the assumption that al-Qaida terrorists did it:
"... was informed of the attack staged by al-Qaida terrorists through a source he reveals as a Turkish drug dealer called Mustafa."
These people know how to use words to twist the truth all out of proportion. Of particular interest is the clever ( inclusion of the word, "staged". YES, 9/11 was staged. False Flags are always staged. But, they want you to MISassociate the word, "staged" so the term, "False Flag" does not come to mind. They want you to think "al-Qaida", not "U.S. Government False Flag", when you read the word,"staged". In order to achieve this perfidy, the sentence is formulated to point people in exactly the wrong direction, but they don't stop there.

They add some bullshit icing to that disinformation turdcake in the second "tell". That is, the "brave spy" TWICE plants the KEY disinformation word ("collapse") that was pushed by the U.S. Government from the start:
... World Trade Center collapsing. I was in the United States back then. We have watched the towers collapse ...



Yeah, right, he watched the towers "collapse", not undergo explosive demolition.

Yeah, right, al-Qaida terrorists did it, not M.I.C. fascist bastard False Flag experts in the U.S. Government in order to fund the fake "war on terror" Pentagon SWAG and bring in-our-faces Fascism to the USA through the "Patriot" act.

Yeah, right, the CIA had "language translating" problems to understand his "dire warning of al-Qaida's evil plan to huff and puff and blow the WTC towers and Rumsfeld's Pentagon accounting office away" message.

Yeah, right, the CIA had absolutely no prior knowledge of, and certainly took no active part in, the plan to plant explosives in three WTC buildings in order to 😈 "collapse" them on 9/11, fire a missile from a U.S. military aircraft at the Pentagon accounting office with the missing 2.3 Trillion dollar "accounting problem" Rumsfeld "casually mentioned" on September 10, 2001 or U.S. Air force conversion of empty passenger jets into drones to be directed from WTC 7 to hit two WTC towers.


Don't buy the book.

Title: 9/11 UNMASKED by David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth Woodworth
Post by: AGelbert on June 16, 2019, 10:14:01 pm

9/11 Unmasked: An International Review Panel Investigation Paperback – September 11, 2018

by David Ray Griffin (Author), Elizabeth Woodworth (Author)

"The truth is out there hiding in plane sight: in videos, government reports, FOIA documents, and in the physical evidence. This book highlights many issues that the American people should know more about. We owe a debt of gratitude to these fine people for 17 years worth of continuing to seek the difficult truth about 9/11." -Lorie Van Auken, widow of Kenneth Van Auken, who was killed at WTC 1 on 9/11, and member of the Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Commission

"9/11 ushered in a generation of war and destruction. And yet, despite its importance, much of the event remains poorly understood. 9/11 Unmasked provides an authoritative and carefully argued exposition of key problems with the official narrative. Nearly 20 years on, it is high time mainstream journalists and academics addressed these issues." --Professor Piers Robinson, Chair in Politics, Society and Political Journalism, University of Sheffield

"The Consensus 9/11 Panel, on which I've served, harnesses to devastating effect the power of citizens to critically investigate the official narrative of 9/11. -Dr. Graeme MacQueen, author of The 2001 Anthrax Deception

"Contemplate the truth of the gigantic criminal hoax that has betrayed the USA and the world." --James W. Douglass, author, JFK and the Unspeakable

From the Back Cover

A panel of experts highlight the problems with all major claims of the official account of the 9/11 attacks.

Many Americans have been embarrassed by the Trump presidency. But Americans should also be embarrassed by the fact that this country's foreign policy since 2001, which has resulted in millions of deaths, has been based on a complex deception.

9/11 Unmasked is the result of a six-year investigation by an international review panel, which has provided 51 points illustrating the problematic status of all the major claims in the official account of the 9/11 attacks, some of which are obviously false. Most dramatically, the official account of the destruction of the Twin Towers and World Trade Center 7 could not possibly be true, unless the laws of physics were suspended that day.

But other claims made by the official account, including the claims that the 9/11 planes were taken over by al-Qaeda hijackers, that one of those hijackers flew his plane into the Pentagon, and that passengers on the planes telephoned people on the ground are also demonstrably false.

The book reports only points about which the panel reached consensus by using the best-evidence consensus model 👍👍👍 employed in medical research. The panel is composed of experts about 9/11 from many disciplines, including physics, chemistry, structural engineering, aeronautical engineering, and jurisprudence.

Agelbert NOTE: Listen to this excellent interview of Elizabeth Woodworth, who authored the above book with David Ray Griffin. It turns out that she first she got interested in investigating 9/11 when she read David Ray Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor" book. She contacted him and that began their partnership for the purpose of bringing the truth of 9/11 to the public.

9/11 Free Fall - 11/1/18: Elizabeth Woodworth on "9/11 Unmasked" (
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: Surly1 on June 17, 2019, 06:29:18 am
Looks like a must read. Have followed David ray griffin for years.
Title: Bush and Cheney: How They Ruined America and the World
Post by: AGelbert on June 17, 2019, 04:01:25 pm
Looks like a must read. Have followed David Ray Griffin for years.

I just learned that David Ray Griffin has written a lot of books related to 9/11. "Bush and Cheney: How They Ruined America and the World", is his latest and appears to be a great read as well.


The most prolific scholar – by far – on 9/11 is a Christian and Professor Emeritus of Religious Studies, David Ray Griffin.

Why does this scholar, highly-esteemed within and without his own academic field, not swallow the collapse-by-fire miracles? He has written over 10 books on the subject of 9/11, his latest being Bush and Cheney: How They Ruined America and the World (

He has also recently authored and co-authored two books on climate change. So he’s on the same page as most of the self-styled skeptics (in no way referring to the so-called climate skeptics, of course) with climate change but not with 9/11.

As summarised by Edward Curtin in his review of Griffin’s book, here are the 15 miracles ( that Griffin identified that the self-styled skeptics have swallowed:

1. The Twin Towers and WTC 7 were the only steel-framed high-rise buildings ever to come down without explosives or incendiaries.

2. The Twin Towers, each of which had 287 steel columns, were brought down solely by a combination of airplane strikes and jet-fuel fires.

3. WTC 7 was not even hit by a plane, so it was the first steel-framed high-rise to be brought down solely by ordinary building fires.

4. These World Trade Center buildings also came down in free fall – the Twin Towers in virtual free fall, WTC 7 in absolute free fall – for over two seconds.

5. Although the collapses of the of the WTC buildings were not aided by explosives, the collapses imitated the kinds of implosions that can be induced only by demolition companies.

6. In the case of WTC 7, the structure came down symmetrically (straight down, with an almost perfectly horizontal roofline), which meant that all 82 of the steel support columns had to fall simultaneously, although the building’s fires had a very asymmetrical pattern.

7. The South Tower’s upper 30-floor block changed its angular momentum in midair.

8. This 30 floor block then disintegrated in midair.

9. With regard to the North Tower, some of its steel columns were ejected out horizontally for at least 500 feet.

10. The fires in the debris from the WTC buildings could not be extinguished for many months.

11. Although the WTC fires, based on ordinary building fires, could not have produced temperatures above 1,800°, the fires inexplicably melted metals with much higher melting points, such as iron (2,800°) and even molybdenum (4,753°).

12. Some of the steel in the debris had been sulfidized, resulting in Swiss-cheese-appearing steel, even though ordinary building fires could not have resulted in the sulfidation.

13. As a passenger on AA Flight 77, Barbara Olson called her husband, telling him about hijackers on her plane, even though this plane had no onboard phones and its altitude was too high for a cell phone call to get through.

14. Hijacker pilot Hani Hanjour could not possibly have flown the trajectory of AA 77 to strike Wedge 1 of the Pentagon, and yet he did.

15. Besides going through an unbelievable personal transformation, ringleader Mohamed Atta also underwent an impossible physical transformation.

Title: 9/11 Conspiracy Solved: Names, Connections, & Details Exposed!
Post by: AGelbert on June 17, 2019, 06:11:27 pm
Agelbert NOTE: This video was published Oct 31, 2012. There is a blizzard of financial details and connections, all of which are provided with evidence pointing to, not just prior knowledge of 9/11, but criminal complicity to arrange to have certain people die in the WTC towers that day.

I am certain that the people that died in the Pentagon and the WTC towers on 9/11 were only those people that were set up to die by these evil fascist bastards that perpetrated 9/11. Once the plan for 9/11 was fleshed out, probably in early 2001, a careful mens rea process of scheduling certain people to live and others to die was carried out on a strictly 😈 "need to know" basis.

You can tell who found out last by those that "rescheduled" WTC meetings during early September of 2001. More importantly, you can tell who were those that were in on this planned mass murder early on by corporate offices that moved out of the WTC during the spring and summer months of 2001. The office moves are not covered in this video but you can research them on the internet successfully. It is a 🐉🦕🦖 Who's Who of the Bush clan ( family friends and business associates. The video does cover some of the Bush skullduggery. That evil rabbit hole goes deep, however.

As evil as that behavior was, and still is, what I find most revealing is the evidence that the two aircraft that hit the WTC towers were actually U.S. Air Force drones. Several B767 had been previously sent to an Air Force base in Florida for "conversions" to incorporate air refueling AND, more significantly, "drone control and flight termination" technology. A pod is fitted on the aircraft which enables remote flight control from hundreds of miles away and, if need be, explosive termination.

The allegation in the video that passengers and pilots in the crashed jets, which "could have been whisleblowers because they were Pentagon connected", "died" that day is, IMHO, an erroneous assumption. In fact, beng Pentagon connected makes the possibility that they were set up to die rather suspicious. It's much more likely that they were part of the tear jerking ruse, so near and dear to the Pentagon False Flaggers, to make the American Public believe they were "murdered by evil hijacker terrorist Ayrabs".

So, where did those "passengers" go? They ALL went into the FBI "Witness Protection Program". They are still there, with new identities. They will never talk because they will be murdered if they do. Besides that, the Witness Protection Program guarantees an income for the life of every person in it. In the case of the 9/11 people, I'm sure it is a LOT MORE than the normal amount.

Finally, this video details, step by step, how it was possible to rig the buildings for explosives, who contracted said explosives experts and who was IMMEDIATELY contracted to eliminate all the evidence of explosive controlled demolition after the buildings were demolished. The speed with wich the clean up began is itself evidence of prior knowledge. THEY WERE NOT SHOCKED! THEY ACTED IMMEDIATELY! 

Of interest to any reader that claims I am engaging in a "conspiracy theory" when I claim the jet drones that hit the WTC towers were controlled from WTC 7 is the FACT that the FIRST building to have all the "debris" removed from the demolition site was WTC 7.

9/11 Conspiracy Solved: Names, Connections, & Details Exposed!

Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on June 18, 2019, 04:00:31 pm

Dancing Iranians ( Is President Trump Preparing to Blame Iran for 9/11?

Agelbert NOTE: Discussion of the headlined question is at the 1:11:08 mark. For full discussion, go back to the the 15:49 minute mark.

( TruNews Published on Jun 17, 2019

Today on TRUNEWS we discuss the troubling reality that the Deep State is circumventing President Trump in order to wage a clandestine cyber war against Russia, while his top advisors are planting seeds of propaganda in order to justify a nuclear war with Iran. Rick Wiles, Edward Szall, Doc Burkhart, Kerry Kinsey. Airdate June 17, 2019.

Agelbert NOTE: I am certain that Trump 🦀 is NOT being "circumvented", even in regard to Russia. Despite appearances, the 🦖 Deep State (= M.I.C), of which Trump is a full fleged member (pretending to be an "outsider" with misleading populist rhetoric), is a Hydrocarbon Hellspawn FRIEND of 🦕 Russia at this time (

In regard to the warmongering against Iran, I am certain that Trump is willingly complicit in, if not the leader of, this heinous Wag the Dog skullduggery. WHY?

Because Trump believes a war with Iran will enable him to win the 2020 election. Furthermore, besides being a bought and paid for ( determined to do WHATEVER to raise the price of oil on behalf of the M.I.C. OIL-igarchy, Trump is quite happy to go along with the wishes of his Saudi pals ("The Saudis are willing to fight the Iranians to the last drop of American blood" --  Col. Wilkerson (  >:(

Title: 🔊 Interview of artist Fredric Riskin on his Piece, “9/11: The Collapse of Conscience”
Post by: AGelbert on June 27, 2019, 07:27:48 pm

9/11 Free Fall

🔊 Interview of artist Fredric Riskin on his Piece, “9/11: The Collapse of Conscience” (

Host Andy Steele is joined by artist Fredric Riskin, whose recent gallery exhibit, "9/11: The Collapse of Conscience," highlighted flaws in the official story of the WTC destruction that the 9/11 Truth movement has been pointing out for years.

9/11 The Collapse of Conscience by Fredric Riskin Sep 11 – Oct 13, 2018 Exhibition Sep 11 – Oct 13, 2018 (
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on July 09, 2019, 06:35:55 pm

9/11 Grand Jury Update: U.S. Attorney's Lips Sealed, Lawyers' Committee to File Mandamus

AE911Truth  July 6, 2019

On this week's episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by Mick Harrison and David Meiswinkle of the Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry to discuss the latest on the federal grand jury proceeding in Manhattan.

The group announced earlier this week that they plan to file a Mandamus petition in federal court prior to the upcoming 9/11 anniversary since the U.S. Attorney's Office declined last month to disclose the status of the grand jury proceeding. The goal of this legal action is to confirm whether the U.S. Attorney presented the group's 2018 petition reporting unprosecuted federal crimes at the World Trade Center to a special grand jury, as mandated by federal statute.

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Title: New York Area Fire Commissioners Make History, Call for New 9/11 Investigation
Post by: AGelbert on July 27, 2019, 02:57:51 pm

July 27, 2019

By Ted Walter

From left to right: Commissioner Philip F. Malloy, Jr.; Commissioner Dennis G. Lyons; District Secretary Kerry Santina; Commissioner Joseph M. Torregrossa; Attorney Kenneth Gray; Commissioner Christopher L. Gioia; Commissioner Les Saltzman

They started off by saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Ten minutes later, they were reading the text of a resolution claiming the existence of “overwhelming evidence” that “pre-planted explosives . . . caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings.”

And so it was, on July 24, 2019 — nearly 18 years after the horrific attacks that traumatized a nation and changed the world forever — the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District became the first legislative body in the country to officially support a new investigation into the events of 9/11. (

( New York Area Fire Commissioners Make History, Call for New 9/11 Investigation (

The Franklin Square and Munson Fire District 9/11 Resolution

Whereas, the attacks of September 11, 2001, are inextricably and forever tied to the Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department;

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, while operating at the World Trade Center in New York City, firefighter Thomas J. Hetzel, badge #290 of Hook and Ladder Company #1, Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department of New York, was killed in performance of his duties, along with 2,976 other emergency responders and civilians;

Whereas, members of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department were called upon to assist in the subsequent rescue and recovery operations and cleanup of the World Trade Center site, afflicting many of them with life-threatening illnesses as a result of breathing the deadly toxins present at the site;

Whereas, the Board of Fire Commissioners of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District recognizes the significant and compelling nature of the petition before the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York reporting un-prosecuted federal crimes at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, and calling upon the United States Attorney to present that petition to a Special Grand Jury pursuant to the United States Constitution and 18 U.S.C. SS 3332(A);

Whereas, the overwhelming evidence presented in said petition demonstrates beyond any doubt that pre-planted explosives and/or incendiaries — not just airplanes and the ensuing fires — caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings, killing the vast majority of the victims who perished that day;

Whereas, the victims of 9/11, their families, the people of New York City, and our nation deserve that every crime related to the attacks of September 11, 2001, be investigated to the fullest and that every person who was responsible face justice;

NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Board of Fire Commissioners of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District fully supports a comprehensive federal grand jury investigation and prosecution of every crime related to the attacks of September 11, 2001, as well as any and all efforts by other government entities to investigate and uncover the full truth surrounding the events of that horrible day.

“We’re a tight-knit community and we never forget our fallen brothers and sisters. You better believe that when the entire fire service of New York State is on board, we will be an unstoppable force.” — Commissioner Christopher Gioia
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Post by: AGelbert on August 02, 2019, 05:06:48 pm
Agelbert NOTE: The comments are EXCELLENT!. As usual, the Pentagon Trolls tried to poo poo the story but the FACT is that NY Fire Departments have a lot more street cred than our bullshitting gooberment does. The ZH crowd carved up the Trolls like a bunch of Thanksgiving turkeys! ( The only thing I like about the ZH crowd is that they absolutely despise wars and war funding. 👍

NY Fire Commissioners Demand New 9/11 Probe, Citing "Overwhelming Evidence of Pre-Planted Explosives" (

Yep. The Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth have been consistent on the side of truth for the last 15 years or so.

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Post by: AGelbert on August 04, 2019, 09:55:43 pm

AE911Truth  August 4, 2019

Seeking Justice for 9/11 Heroes: An Interview with New York Area Fire Commissioner Christopher Gioia

On this week's episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by Franklin Square Fire Commissioner Christopher Gioia to discuss his fire district’s recent passage of a historic resolution supporting a new investigation into events of 9/11.

We invite you to listen on SoundCloud or YouTube or to read the interview below.

Interview Transcript

Andrew Steele: On July 24, 2019, the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, which oversees a volunteer fire department that serves a hamlet of 30,000 residents, just outside of Queens, New York, made history by unanimously passing a resolution that supports a new investigation into the events of September 11, 2001, becoming the first legislative body in the country to do so.

Today, we're joined by the man who introduced that resolution, Christopher Gioia. He's a former firefighter and chief of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department, and now a commissioner that oversees that department. Mr. Gioia, welcome to the show.

Christopher Gioia: Thank you very much, Mr. Steele.

Steele: Before we get into the big news that everybody is talking about in the movement, and all throughout alternative media, we want to get to know you a little bit more, so please tell us about yourself and your career.

Gioia: Well, let's see. I am presently in the construction industry. Franklin Square Fire Department is a volunteer fire department. We're comprised of people from all walks and all trades. I've been in Franklin Square, I guess, for most of my life. I grew up maybe a block away from the firehouse, so when I was growing up, I used to sit on the curb and watch the firetrucks go by. I always wanted to be a fireman.

In the meantime, I completed high school, and I had joined the Marine Corps. When I had gotten out of the Marine Corps, I came back to town, and I wanted to continue my service, because the fire department is a paramilitary organization, so I went to the fire department, and I joined the local fire department. I've been with the Franklin Square/Munson Fire Department now for 32 years. I rose through the ranks, lieutenant and captain. I went through the chief's office. We have three chiefs, second assistant, first assistant, and then you become chief of department. Those are two-year terms.

Then some years went by. We also have the fire district, which is comprised of five fire commissioners, who are responsible for the buildings and the grounds, the maintenance of the equipment, uniforms, and such. Pretty much, it's administrative, and you pay the bills, but it is an elected position, and you have to submit a petition and run for office, and there are other people out there that you have to run against, so you actually have to mount a campaign. Then whatever monies, because it's public money, everything has to be done according to state law. Everything has to be voted on, and there's policies and procedures, and everything has to be on the up and up and above board.

We are audited by the state. We have our own internal auditors. Every penny is accounted for, and we do run a tight ship over here. I've been a commissioner now for about, I guess, three years. They're five-year terms, so I'm probably about halfway through. You lose track of time. When you get older, things have a tendency to blur a little bit.

Steele: Is it just one term that you have or are allowed, or are you allowed to run again, when the five years are up?

Gioia: You can run again for another five-year term. You could actually stay in office. The other four commissioners have been in office 10, 15, maybe 20 years, so I'm pretty much the new kid on the block. The other members... We have another ex-chief, who's sitting on the board, as well. He was chief of the department back in the late '80s or the early '90s. That would actually be Commissioner Malloy. Then you have Commissioner Saltzman, who is a member of Engine Company Number Three. You have Commissioner Lyons, who is a member of Engine Company Number Two. Commissioner Joseph Torregrossa, he's the chairman, and he's also a member of Engine Company Number Two.

You can run again. Five-year terms is a long time, but if you're in there, and you like what you're doing, it's pretty procedural after... For me, personally, after being chief and being commissioner, coming into the district, it's actually a less hectic pace. When you're chief, you respond to every call, and you're out there on the front lines. Pretty much, the commissioners are the ones in the background, just paying all the bills. It's a lot less hectic. It's more relaxed. When you get a little older, you want to be a little bit more relaxed.

Steele: I understand that myself, as I'm getting older. Believe me. Now, please tell us about your 9/11 story. Where were you on the day of September 11th, and how did you first hear the news?

Gioia: On 9/11, I was working... As I said, I do construction for a living. I'm a construction surveyor. I work for a large construction company. I was working on new construction of a small power plant on the river, the East River in Brooklyn, just north of the Williamsburg Bridge. I was working with a gentleman, who works in Upstate New York. We were working. We're less than two miles from the Trade Center, and you have a spectacular view of Manhattan from the Brooklyn side of the river.

We heard this explosion, me and my partner, and he remarked something like, “Is somebody blasting around here?” Because he knew what the sound was. It didn't register, so we looked around, and somebody said, “Hey, look! The Trade Center, the Twin Towers, is on fire.” We were looking at it, and we're like... We pretty much knew right away. We're like, okay, a plane hit it or a helicopter hit it. It was up high, and there was enough smoke and fire that we could see.

Then somebody ran out of one of the trailers and said that a plane had hit the North Tower. It was a spectacularly beautiful day. It was just this beautiful blue sky. There wasn't a cloud in the sky, and it was this perfect day. I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, this guy, whoever was flying the plane, how could you hit the building? It's just absolutely perfect flying weather.

I have survey equipment, which is pretty much like a telescope, so we focused the instruments on the North Tower, and I could see the imprint of the plane. I could actually see everything. Just looking at it, it was registering that we all thought it was maybe a small propeller plane, like a Piper Cub or something like that, but just from looking at the damage, it was like you knew that it was something larger.

In the meantime, then, the person... People were running around, scurrying, and they didn't know what was going on, and then all of a sudden, we were watching. Then from our vantage point, we couldn't see the plane coming from the other side, because the second plane that hit the South Tower came from the Statue of Liberty side, which is the New Jersey side, and the building exploded, and it blew out on the side, and then all hell broke loose. We were like, we're under attack, you know?

People just wanted to leave the job. Me and my partner, we were transfixed on what we were seeing, because we had the instruments set up, and people wanted to see what was going on. We actually could see people waving for help. I could see people waving their clothes from the windows. I actually saw the lady who was perched at the bottom of the impact hole in the North Tower. I believe she was identified, and she ultimately wound up being killed, but I saw her.

Then it got even worse, because then you saw people jumping out of the building, and then that was it. I couldn't watch it anymore, and I had to get home to my wife and my kids. My son was just about a year old. I told my boss. I said, “Listen, I'm out of here,” so I jumped in my truck, and we're about... From Brooklyn to my house is probably about 20 miles, and it's about maybe five or six miles to get to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway.

When I had driven about five miles to get on the expressway, when I got up to the expressway, I looked in the rear view mirror, and the whole sky of Manhattan down by the Trade Centers was just blacked out by this cloud. I guess the North Tower had collapsed, but I didn't know it yet. People had just stopped on the highway, and everybody was just staring. I turned on the radio, and then all kinds of reports were coming in. I just, I flew home, and I made it home in record time. It must've taken me 15-20 minutes, because I was literally doing 90 miles an hour down the highway to get home.

I got home, and I threw open the door. My wife looked at me, and she goes, the South Tower just collapsed. I couldn't understand. I said to her, I go, “What do you mean the South Tower just collapsed?” I go, “What happened to the North Tower?” She said, “That one collapsed 15 minutes ago.” I just sat back down on the couch with my wife, and we just sat there, and we watched TV. We were just in shock, because it was just too much to take in. We just sat there, and we just watched, watched the TV, and we just watched everything, as it unfolded.

Steele: It was horrible enough to watch it on television from Florida, where I was at the time. I can't imagine standing there watching what you just described through your equipment that day, and seeing that. I know for New Yorkers, it had, of course, a more profound impact, because they actually lived it, people in New York and in the surrounding areas. It happened right in front of them. I understand that you had friends that died on September 11th. Do you want to tell us about them, and the lives that they lived?

Gioia: Yes, that's correct, Andrew. I lost three of my friends, who were city firemen. One of them, Thomas Hetzel, was in the department here in Franklin Square. The other two lived in Franklin Square, and I was friends with them. I grew up with firefighter, Robert Evans. We used to pretty much hang out, maybe down at the park. He was a friend from school. Then the other firefighter, Michael Kiefer, he was one of these kids who used to come around the firehouse on his bicycle, and he was a... We'd call him a buff. He would have his scanner, and he would follow the trucks around. He grew up, and he joined the fire department.

He went into the towers. He responded. They never found him. I think they found little bits and pieces of Bobby. I was speaking to his sister the other day. They actually recovered some more parts or bone fragments. Tom they found in a stairwell. He was on his way out of the building. I was really good friends with Tom. I pretty much grew up with him. I went to his wedding. We did things together, and he was a good friend. They were all good people.

Steele: September 11th happened. You obviously have a personal connection to the event through your friends that died, through the fire department. How did you come to be exposed to the World Trade Center evidence that AE911Truth puts forth?

Gioia: After 9/11, the town really pulled together, the town of Franklin Square. We opened up the firehouse, and people were asked to drop off donations, whatever they could donate in the way of maybe food, water, clothing, whatever supplies that they could think of, that we packed onto a truck, and we actually brought down to Ground Zero to give out to the rescue workers. One of my friends in the fire department is a retired airline pilot. He was an FAA instructor. He flew every kind of aircraft, and he was totally familiar with jet planes and everything like that.

One of the stories that struck us odd, right from the get-go, and he even said this, was that they mentioned that the hijackers had turned off the system on the plane, and that stopped the air traffic controllers from seeing them. He was like, “Well, if they turn that off, that doesn't erase the radar signature.” That always struck me as odd, and even struck him as odd, because they were saying, well, they couldn't track the plane, but that's not true.

That always stuck in my brain, and then years went by, and didn't think anything of it. Pretty much, we were trying to get our lives back on track, I'd say, for the first year, went to numerous wakes and funerals for a solid year, of just firemen and cops and civilians who were killed. It wasn't a pleasant time. It was actually a time that I really don't care to remember too much. I guess I've repressed the memories, and it's kind of hazy, but I do remember enough.

Then we gradually built our lives back, and life pretty much got back to normal, even though you have the wars going on, and you have... All kinds of things were going on, but people accepted it, and we had to move on. We had to carry on, and we did.

Being in the construction industry, I speak with a lot of people. I was talking with some people, and we were talking about building construction, and we got onto talking about how the towers had collapsed. Then one of the guys that I was talking with said, “You know about Building 7?”

I was like, “Well, what about Building 7? What is it? What was it?” I really didn't know too much about it. I knew that a third building had come down, but at the time you're watching this, I guess I really started watching the news a couple of days after 9/11, when Franklin Square was called into the city, and we had to do standby duty at a city firehouse. We were all glued around the TV, and they kept showing Building 7 from uptown, like around the Empire State Building, so you could see the building come down. At the time, nobody really cared about Building 7, because everybody was more fixated on the Twin Towers.

Then this person that I was speaking with, another one of the construction workers, he's like, “Yeah,” he goes, “that building came down. It wasn't hit by a plane, and I have some real good photos/videos of it close up.” He started showing me that, and then on one of the videos, you could actually see the windows blowing out, and the windows blew out on multiple floors, all at the same time, and then the building buckled on both ends, and then the roof... The roof had initially caved in, but then the whole building came down symmetrically.

I just stood there, and I looked at him. I was like, “You've got to be kidding me. Where did you get that?”

He's like, “It's on the web. You could go online, and you could bring up pictures of all of this.”

That's what spurred my curiosity, so I went online, and I started researching pictures of the collapses. I'm looking at the collapses, and then I'm hitting different websites. There's a lot of crap out there, and there's a lot of people who are off the wall with all kinds of different theories about everything, but I wasn't interested in that. I was more interested in the dynamics of the collapse.

I looked at Building 7 in the closeup, and then somebody had stitched together, I guess, some pictures of a controlled demolition, and they put it side by side, next to Building 7. Then I was looking at... I was going through the interviews, and then I was looking at the news reports. There was a report from Dan Rather, and he said he was watching Building 7, and how it reminded him of a controlled demolition.

I'm looking at that building, and now, from a construction point of view, and then from being a fireman, and I'm like, “There's something literally wrong with this picture, because fire doesn't act like that.” If the building wasn't hit by a plane... They said there were raging fires, and there were no raging fires in Building 7. There was fires on a few floors, and by the time of the collapse, they had pretty much gone out. There was damage when the North Tower collapse. Okay, I get that, but the building would've collapsed on the damaged side, and it would've been an asymmetrical collapse. It wouldn't have been a symmetrical collapse.

Even if you look at the video of the building coming down, it doesn't collapse from the top. You see the roof coming down, but it starts to collapse from the bottom. All the core columns, I know from construction, all the core columns had to have been severed at the same time, for a uniform, symmetrical collapse like that. There's no two ways about it, never going to have a steel frame building collapse in that fashion without something else going on.

That spurred me on even further, and I started looking into more videos. Then I was interested in what eyewitnesses had to say, because I don't... I'm not going on hearsay, and I'm not going on theories. I want to know what people saw. There's a lot of testimony there from the firemen and police, first responders, as to what they saw and they heard. I believe about 200 or so mention explosions. They saw red flashes. There was a lot of popping, explosions, and everybody had pretty much... There was a common theme. They all said they thought it was... It almost looked like a controlled demolition. The people actually said that.

Then I'm like, all right, but you know, I'm going through. I'm surfing the web, and then I hit Architects and Engineers website, and this website had it all together, and it presented it in a logical fashion, yeah, all right, this is what happened. Then they back it up with professional people, and they... backed up by eyewitness testimony and how certain things are just not possible. You can't suspend the laws of physics. Gravity only operates downward. It doesn't operate from outward. The laws of science most certainly do apply. The laws of the building, the way the buildings were constructed, that applies. If you put theories to the test, which they have, then you prove that it's not really a theory anymore, or you eliminate things that just are impossible to happen.

That coalesced in my mind. Then after, I would say, two or three years of doing research and digging, digging through testimony, and looking at pictures, and hitting various websites, it pretty much was obvious that the official government narrative is not really what happened that day. It's absolutely far from the truth, and it's not a good thing.

What was done, it was something... It was terrible, and it was perpetrated on the American public by, I'm just going to say, a rogue group, and there was an agenda. There definitely was an agenda. There was a lot going on, and a lot of good people got killed. That's something that this country cannot tolerate, because it just goes against everything that we stand for. People were murdered for that, and that's something that... You know what? That really disturbs me, and I know it disturbs a lot of other people, too.

Steele: Absolutely, and I think you really lay out the evidence very well, from your own research and perspective. When you woke up to this, through your slow process of deep research, like so many of us, did you speak to other people about this, other firefighters? What were their reactions? I'd also like to know, what did this do to your world view?

Gioia: When I first started talking to people about it, they just kind of laughed it off, and they were like, you're crazy, and you don't know what you're talking about. They just kind of blew it off. Then I would say, “Well, wait a minute. Look at these pictures with me.” You could see, if you look at the Twin Towers exploding, and really look below the collapse, at the beginning, you could actually see floors blowing out in a pattern coming down. Then the debris from the collapsing floors covers it up, but you can actually see the floors blowing out. There's some really good pictures of that.

I would try to tell people that maybe it's not all as it seems, and that there's definitely something else here that we need to look at. Initially, people didn't want to know, and it is definitely a sensitive issues, because we're pretty much right on top of it, but I'm persistent. I brought it up to a few people, and I showed them a few things to spur their curiosity. I don't think it changed my world view. I think that, if anything, I always knew that the other world was a crazy place.

Steele: What first gave you the idea to pursue this resolution, and how difficult was the decision for you to go ahead and broach this subject with your colleagues?

Gioia: I have been putting it out there for a couple years now in the fire department. Being commissioner, I do go to meetings with other fire districts, and being an ex-chief, I do go to meetings for chiefs, The Chiefs Association in Nassau County. I brought it up at a fire district meeting. I actually read the petition. I saw the petition. I agreed with the need to have another investigation, because a lot of evidence has surfaced in the past 18 years that needs to look at. A lot of it has been uncovered by Architects and Engineers. It's been uncovered by a lot of people, who have taken the time to analyze, and to render a professional opinion on what the evidence shows. That, to me, was very important.

I started telling people about the petition. I said that the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York actually has this petition to get a grand jury investigation going. I said, “That's where we need to go.” I said, “My feelings on the matter don't mean anything.” I said, “We're not engaging in conspiracy theories at all. Let's look at the evidence, and let the evidence guide us on the direction that we need to go.” That is so important. I think that the American people, I think that any rational person, would agree with that, that you discount everything else. You can't go on hearsay. Let's take a hard look at what's there, and let that just guide us. We owe it to the people who were murdered on 9/11 and the countless thousands, or tens of thousands of people who were killed in these wars overseas, in the name of fighting terrorism or whatever you want to call it, and get to the heart of the matter, and get to the truth.

If the evidence takes us in that direction, and we do find out that there are other people responsible, and they're in the government, or if they're in the Pentagon, or they're in the business sector, then these people need to be held to account. They need to be brought to justice. We need to get this country back on track.

Steele: Absolutely. I couldn't agree with you more. So much was affected by September 11th. We're still living the ramifications of it to this day. That's why so many people are dedicated, and I can tell, probably one of the reasons why you're so dedicated, too. I'm curious about the interactions in discussing this resolution. What was some of the feedback and discussion that took place before you guys actually met and passed this thing?

Gioia: I approached the other commissioners, and I said, “Listen, I want to sponsor a resolution in support of the petition at the U.S. Attorney's Office.” The other commissioners were receptive. They've been in the fire service for many years. We've been intimately involved with everything with 9/11, and they know where I'm coming from. They know that I don't get myself involved in anything unless I believe in it 100%. They looked. They listened to what I had to say. I said, “I'd like to do, introduce, a resolution.” I said, “I looked it up, and a resolution, a legal resolution is... It's not really binding. It's pretty much mostly symbolic, but it is a statement from a legislative group, and where elected official is a statement that we recognize certain things, and that we support the investigation. Coming from a fire department, that would lend some weight to the movement to get the U.S. Attorney's Office to present the petition,” which I understand they're not talking, and they've had it for about year.

That was the impetus on getting the resolution going. That was just to add some weight, and to add some considerable support to the movement that's out there. I think we accomplished that.

The Franklin Square and Munson Fire District commissioners: Philip F. Malloy, Jr. (left); Dennis G. Lyons (second from left); Joseph M. Torregrossa (center); Christopher L. Gioia (second from right); Les Saltzman (right).

Steele: You absolutely did. Now, I understand from the article, that AE911Truth has posted and sent out to all of our supporters that you had family members of the fallen at this meeting. Can you talk about that?

Gioia: I invited Tommy Hetzel's parents, his widow, his sister; and I invited my friend, Bobby Evans... His mom and his sister were there. We had them sit there up front. The family of Michael Kiefer, they really took the hit, because Mike was their shining star, and I don't think they ever fully recovered from losing Michael. He had a couple of sisters and whatnot. I think he was the only son. His was a real big loss over there. I know that the Evans family definitely took the hit. I know his mom. His mom was devastated.

I just couldn't say enough about the Hetzel family, because they've been through so much. There's been other tragedy in the family. His mom and his dad and his brother and his sister, his remaining siblings, have been so strong throughout everything, and I just can't imagine the strength that it takes for them to continue, but they do. Yes, they were there for the vote on the resolution.

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The Franklin Square and Munson Fire District commissioners greet the families of fallen firefighters Thomas J. Hetzel and Robert Evans, both Franklin Square natives.

Steele: Obviously, you're aware of how significant this was. Again, it's the first legislative body in the country to put forth such a resolution. Were other commissioners in this body aware of the historic significance of this resolution?

Gioia: I don't think they realized the full impact of what we were doing until after it was done. They knew it was significant, though, because I told them. Everything is transparent with the fire district. One commissioner doesn't do anything without letting the other commissioners... We don't operate independently, and we do have a district council, which oversees everything that we do, and they guide us, and they give legal advice on everything.

The resolution was drafted. The commissioners, we all, had a chance to look at it. It was run by counsel to make sure that the T's were crossed, and the I's were dotted, and that it was presented in a legal fashion. Whether or not they knew the full impact of what the resolution was going to do, I don't think any of us did. I think we had a narrow focus, and that was just to support the resolution, and then to have this thing literally... It got big real fast, and I think that that took everybody, including myself, by surprise, but no. They knew it was going to have an impact, but I don't think we all realized the tremendous impact that it was going to have.

Steele: Us veterans in the movement are fully aware that, many times, those who don't want discussion of the evidence, who don't want to talk about this issue, that want to stifle any questions about September 11th, will oftentimes try to invoke the firefighters and the emotional impact of that day on them, to try to shut down the discussion. What is your reaction to those kinds of methods to try to stifle discussion of the evidence?

Gioia: I think it's a diversionary tactic. I think that the psychological implications of 9/11 were definitely discussed and implemented, that 9/11 was a very sophisticated attack and plot, that it was very well planned, and (  they covered all the bases. To me, it's like psychological warfare, so if you constantly shift the focus from the facts to the dramatic effect, then you've been successful, because now you've taken the focus off where you need it to be.

I'd just tell people, listen, I've always said that 9/11 needs to be viewed from a clinical standpoint, where you just disassociate yourself from all emotion, and you just look at the facts, and that's it. You don't get involved in the drama. You don't get involved in the emotion, the feelings, any of that. That's a non sequitur. That just has no bearing on what we're trying to do.

I tell people bluntly, listen. You know what? This is a crime. This was a mass murder. That's what this was, okay? That's all it was. It was a mass murder; 3,000 people were murdered in cold blood, on TV, or in front of your eyes, okay? Buildings collapsed, and planes crashed into this, and all kinds of things happened. We need to look at it, and we have to put literally everything under the microscope. Everything has to be looked at and analyzed. It has to be analyzed from a scientific point of view, and there's no emotion to it. It's this, and it's that.

If it's this, then we need to go there. If it's that, we need to go there. If you look at the evidence, and you look at the testimony, any reasonable person would say there's plenty of reasonable doubt there, and you know what? You can't violate the laws of physics, and you can't say that steel frame buildings just collapse for no reason at free fall. You just can't make these statements the way the government's throwing out these statements. They didn't even want to entertain some of the evidence. What they didn't want to look at, they didn't look at.

To give you an example, in the case of Building 7, they asked the gentleman, who was giving the report... Actually, he came out and said, he goes, “Oh, there was no evidence of explosives found.” Then they asked him, “Well, did you look for explosives?” He said, “No, we didn't look for explosives.” How disingenuous is that, that we didn't find explosives because we didn't look for explosives? There's a lot of doublespeak going on.

Steele: Now, you've passed this resolution. You're getting a lot of attention on the Internet from alternative media, and I think the corporate media is probably aware of this, whether or not they choose to report it. We all know the situation with them, but do you think that other firemen, who may hear about this, particularly in New York City, in the surrounding areas, do you think they're ready to hear out this issue with an open mind, or do you think the emotion of that day still carries 18 years later?

Gioia: I think, Andrew, it cuts both ways. I think you have firemen out there, who actually are embracing this, because they know that something's not right. I know that for a fact, because from the meetings that I've attended with the chiefs, the ex-chiefs, fire district commissioners from the other towns around Nassau County, that there are people out there, who do not accept the official narrative. They know that something is wrong, and they're absolutely willing to look at the evidence, and they do want to see some movement. They want to see another investigation, because they know that things just don't add up.

You have some people, who, they're pretty much in denial, and they don't want to go down that road anymore, because they've been affected so much that... We've been destroyed up here in New York. We have. We took the hit. People, they just... You mention 9/11, and they go right into the shell. They go right into a defensive posture.

Now that time has elapsed a little bit, you have a younger crowd that wasn't really as much on top of it, and they are willing to embrace the evidence, and they're willing to embrace people who are talking about it, because if you stick to the facts, and that's all we need to do is just stick to the facts and say, listen, these are the facts, and this is the evidence, and we need to look at this, then nobody's going to argue with that. All right, we need another investigation. Let's talk about things. Let's talk about this. We're all adults. We all have a stake in this.

There's no rational person out there that's going to tell me, as a firemen, “You know what? Oh, we can't talk about that,” because I'd be the first one to tell them, “You know what? No. You know what? I'm going to talk about it. My friends were murdered. They were murdered right in front of me. You know what? I want to get to the bottom of it, so what are you telling me? You going to tell me, no, you don't want an investigation? What's up with that?”

It's beyond belief that there are people out there that would not embrace a new investigation, so we could get to the truth, and we could look at evidence that hasn't been looked at and is mandated by Congress that they have to show this evidence, and it's mandated by law that the U.S. Attorney has to present this to a grand jury. That's the rule of law, and that's what this country is all about. That's what makes this country what it is. That's what sets this country apart from other countries in the world, is that we have respect for law and order. There is the rule of law, and that has been violated. It's been grossly violated, and we need to get back to that, because if we do not get back to the rule of law, then this country, the ideals, everything that this country has been built on is going to take the hit.

You know what? I don't think you're going to let it happen. I know damn sure I'm not going to let it happen.

Steele: Those are powerful words, and I know that there are other firemen out there, all over America, who have gotten wind of what happened in the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, and are maybe even listening to this interview, wanting to meet the man who proposed that resolution. They may be inspired, but they may be holding back for various reasons. They may want to do the same thing in their fire districts, maybe other fire commissioners with that authority. What would you say to them, as they're considering this? What would you say to them, in terms of why it's so important, and why they should pursue the same action that your district did?

Gioia: Andrew, I would say this to the other firefighters, to the police officers, to anybody, any other person out there, any American, that you know what? We're all Americans here, and we believe in ideals which make our country great. There comes a point in everyone's life when you have to make a stand, and that's a really tough thing to do for people. You make a decision that, you know what? You're going to stand up for something.

Now, a lot of people talk tough, and a lot of people, they just... That's it. They're just talk, and they don't really act, and back it up with actions, but it's incumbent on especially firemen. We've taken the extra step. We've gone the extra mile. We're out there protecting lives and saving property, and we're on the forefront of all of this.

I would say to anybody who believes in this country that it's time to make a stand, because 3,000 people were murdered, and you can't let this go. You're not going to let it go, because if they're going to murder 3,000 people, what are they going to do next? I'm not going to have my kids jeopardized. I don't really like how the country has been guided down this dark path. We need to get back on track, and it's up to the people in this country, the good people.

Americans, to me, aren't afraid to stand up for what they believe in. We've been so beaten down that, you know what? You're afraid to speak, because, God forbid, they're going to say, “Oh, you're a hater,” or, “You're a racist,” or, “You're a truther,” or something like that. You know what? I'm not afraid to get out there and speak my mind. You know, you speak intelligently, and you speak armed with the facts, but you know what? You have to speak. People really need to make a stand on this one, because if we don't, if we don't, then something else even worse is going to happen, because it only emboldens things like this to happen.

I think there's a quote. It says, “For evil to triumph, good people need not do anything.” That is so true, so it depends on the person. I would just encourage people out there, listen, if you feel strongly about this, then do something about it. Don't sit there. Get up and do something about it, because there's a lot of people out there that will help you, that'll embrace this. Like you said, there's a movement out there of people who just, for whatever reason, they just don't believe what we've been told.

The more you look at it, you could see the truth. I tell people, listen. I'm not going to tell you how to think, okay? I'm not going to tell you one way or the other about what happened on 9/11. You do that yourself. You look at it. You research it. You come to your own conclusions, all right? Then, maybe a few months or a year down the road, we could meet up again, and we could talk about it, and see if your position has changed. We need to get behind the investigation. People need to get behind this, and get the investigation going, and let the wheels of justice do their job.

Steele: Something I always commonly mention, or I have been doing for the past year or so is we're here 18 years after this event took place. If the post-9/11 world were a person, it would be old enough to vote at this point, or I guess it would be this September, so it's been a long time. Some people say, why do you keep at this? It was so long ago. Maybe it was a controlled demolition. Maybe it wasn't, but all those people, or most of them, are out of office now. Why can't we just move forward? Why do we have to focus on the negative? I mean, this is an attitude that exists out there among the rank and file of America. I hear it often. What's your response to that? What do you have to say to those sentiments?

Gioia: I hear the same thing, Andrew. I hear it. It's 18 years later. Why are you bothering? I say to these people, because these people were our friends. They were our neighbors. They were sons. They were daughters. They were husbands. They were wives. They had lives. These were Americans, who went to work. They just were going about their business, and they died horrible deaths.

These were my friends, and I'm not going to forget that. I'm not satisfied with the way they've been treated. Like I said, reinvestigate. I get choked up. I get emotional. I would get emotional with people and just say, listen, unless you've lost somebody, and I always say, listen, if somebody murdered somebody in your family, and there was evidence that came about after, that pointed at somebody else, or it took you in a different direction, wouldn't you want to pursue that? There's no statute of limitation on murder, and these people were murdered.

That's why, after 18 years, I'm still looking for justice for my friends, because I know that there are people out there who need to be held to account. I'm not going to let go. I'm not going to let go. If I spend the rest of my life pursuing this, pursuing justice for my friends, I'm going to do that.

Now, with regards to that, being a fireman, and being a firefighter... This is for all of the firemen out there. You know it's a brotherhood, and we've been trained that when you fight the fire, you go in. You don't go in alone. You go in with your brother or your sister. You go in together, and if something happens, you come out together. You don't leave that person behind, so I would say this.

We're not leaving our brothers behind. We're not leaving these people behind. These were Americans. These were firefighters, cops, EMS, and they were just ordinary people who went about their business that day. We're not leaving them behind. We're not forgetting about them. They deserve justice, and we're going to see that justice is done.

Steele: Yes, we are, through efforts like yours, through efforts like the ones being put forth by AE911Truth, the Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry. Nobody will be left behind, especially the victims, who we do this work in pursuit of justice for.

Christopher Gioia, I want to thank you for what you got started out there in your district and what I think you're getting started in the rest of America and the wider world. Of course, thank you so much for coming on 9/11 Free Fall today.

Gioia: All right, thank you very much, Mr. Steele.
Title: The 🦍 people who REALLY did this want you to think, that nothing, NOTHING, will be the same ...
Post by: AGelbert on August 06, 2019, 02:20:32 pm
Image Credit: Aman Zafar

Cooper made another prediction. “Folks, I can assure you that 72 hours from now we will be at war. We will be bombing two or maybe three countries….Because that’s how it works. When governments are attacked, they lash out. Thousands of people who had nothing whatsoever to do with what is happening at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are going to die.

“Nothing will be the same after today,” Cooper said grimly.

“Get ready for it, folks, because that’s what you’re going to be hearing in the next weeks and months on radio and television: Nothing will be the same after today….Because I’ll tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that’s what the ( people who really did this want you to think, that nothing, nothing, will be the same after today.

Cooper was a patriot. The U.S. Government killed him because he spoke the ugly truth about 9/11 causes and planned consequences.

In an interview I did recently with Larry Wilkerson, he called Mueller the “cleanup man” for the Republican Party. Years post 9/11, Iraq war, I mean, the FBI was accused by Graham under Mueller’s 😈 administration for directly not properly investigating the 9/11 situation.

Learn MORE about "Cleanup Man" 🦍 Mueller 👹 and 9/11 (



Title: Building 7 Study to be released Sept. 3
Post by: AGelbert on August 20, 2019, 07:31:04 pm

AE911Truth  August 19, 2019


Building 7 Study to be released Sept. 3

In just a couple of weeks, the breakthrough Building 7 Study by Dr. Leroy Hulsey will be released, proving definitively that fire did not cause the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11 (

Title: Re: Building 7 Study to be released Sept. 3
Post by: Surly1 on August 20, 2019, 08:44:29 pm

AE911Truth  August 19, 2019


Building 7 Study to be released Sept. 3

In just a couple of weeks, the breakthrough Building 7 Study by Dr. Leroy Hulsey will be released, proving definitively that fire did not cause the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11 (

I hope Dr. Hulsey's family lives out of the country.
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on August 20, 2019, 10:23:47 pm

AE911Truth  August 19, 2019


Building 7 Study to be released Sept. 3

In just a couple of weeks, the breakthrough Building 7 Study by Dr. Leroy Hulsey will be released, proving definitively that fire did not cause the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11 (

I hope Dr. Hulsey's family lives out of the country.

Not a problem. The USA is now full Orwell. It does not matter how irrefutably logical and empirically correct a study or a statement or whatever is that is published; TPTB will say black is white and up is down and all the cognitively dissonanced herd will go shopping with a smile on their face.

Title: University Study Finds Fire Did Not Bring Down World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11
Post by: AGelbert on September 06, 2019, 07:27:57 pm


University Study Finds Fire Did Not Bring Down World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11 (

Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower’s Collapse on 9/11, New Study Finds

On September 11, 2001, at 5:20 PM, the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 collapsed into its footprint, falling more than 100 feet at the rate of gravity for 2.5 seconds of its seven-second destruction.

Despite calls for the evidence to be preserved, New York City officials had the building's debris removed and destroyed in the ensuing weeks and months, preventing a proper forensic investigation from ever taking place. Seven years later, federal investigators concluded that WTC 7 was the first steel-framed high-rise ever to have collapsed solely as a result of normal office fires.

Today, we at Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth are pleased to partner with the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) in releasing the draft report of a four-year computer modeling study of WTC 7’s collapse conducted by researchers in the university's Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering. The UAF WTC 7 report concludes that the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11 was caused not by fire but rather by the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

Download the Report (

Agelbert NOTE: IOW, it's the preplanted, and planned MONTHS IN ADVANCE to be preplanted, BY THE ROGUE EVIL BASTARDS IN US GOVERNMENT (i.e. ( 🦖 Cheney, 🐉 Rumsfeld, 🦕 Bush, et al), 💥 EXPLOSIVES, STUPID!

Title: 📢 Survey: Majority Suspect WTC 7 Was Demolished 🚩
Post by: AGelbert on September 10, 2019, 02:47:13 pm

Sep 9, 2019, 7:20 PM

Survey: Majority Suspect WTC 7 Was Demolished


Most Americans Who See Collapse of Building 7 Doubt Official Story, Survey Finds

3-to-1 Majority Who See Building 7’s Collapse Support New Investigation ( (

A solid majority of Americans who watch the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on video don’t buy the government’s story that fires brought it down, according to a new survey conducted by YouGov on behalf of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.


Read more: ( (

Agelbert NOTE: IOW, it's the preplanted, and planned MONTHS IN ADVANCE to be preplanted, BY THE ROGUE EVIL BASTARDS IN US GOVERNMENT (i.e. ( 🦖 Cheney, 🐉 Rumsfeld, 🦕 Bush, et al), 💥 EXPLOSIVES, STUPID!

If you still do not understand WHY the card carrying PNAC (i.e. "NEW" Pearl Harbor) EVIL BASTARDS did this murderous false flag attack, just read this article and it will become crystal clear to you that it was the only way these FASCISTS could think of to make the USA the FASCIST PARADISE it is today. The article fails to connect the 9/11 WTC 7 dot, but it is blatantly OBVIOUS that ALL the post 9/11 attacks on our freedoms within the USA, from the "Patriot" Act on through the civil liberties strangling tyranny checklist, could NEVER have been successfully pushed without a "NEW" Pearl Harbor = 9/11. (

SEPTEMBER 9, 2019 10:18AM ET

We’re Only Beginning to See the Consequences of the Bush-Era Assault on Civil Liberties

Like a number of “War on Terror”  ( measures, the Terrorist Screening Database’s unconstitutionality was obvious from the jump (

Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on September 11, 2019, 01:22:03 pm
September 11, 2019

Authored by Danielle DiMartino Booth via Quill Intelligence (

"The Helplessness I Felt Was Matched Only By The Silence That Followed" - Never Forget 9/11

Agelbert NOTE: TPTB rolled out there annual exercise in ( tear jerking, bold faced BULLSHIT about "never forgetting"( 9/11. The Propaganda piece was actually about 😈 making sure the American public NEVER REMEMBERS how utterly OBVIOUS it was, and still is, that the beneficiaries of 9/11 were the SAME PNAC (see: "New" Pearl Harbor) Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, neocon Mossad False Flag Attack BASTARDS who, with malice aforethought, planned 9/11, executed 9/11 and subsequently covered up evidence of pre-planted explosives that demolished three WTC buildings on 9/11. 

Most of the comments on ZH made it crystal clear that the American public no longer falls for that "19 Ayrabs did it" CRAP. Good!

Aluminum clad airplanes with a few gallons of fuel break and melt the 1360 ft tall steel pillars on the twin towers and turn the cement into powder. WOW!   Why does the military need missiles with super explosives when they could use inexpensive drones and some jet fuel.

Exactly  why we don't need Hypersonic Missiles. We have American Airlines!

Giant Meteor
Yes, this is what one gets when mixing an MBA in finance, with a journalism degree .. Heavenly bodies and masters of the universe,  all rolled up into one .

Ben A Drill
When I watched that nightmare,I believed every bit of it.  Now, not even close. 

Who could have believed our own government would do such a thing?

When the towers went down at freefall speed, at a deep level, under the horror, I said "WTF?"  When Bldg 7 went down I said: "No ******* Way!"

It took me a bit longer to sort it out. Thats on me for letting my own bias cloud my judgements. Its been a long road getting over them. Even now I still want to be able to trust people when I shouldnt. Just this year I let my trusting nature almost get the better of me.

Aluminum planes cutting through 5" of structural steel?

If you throw a beer can at hammer at 500mph, it WILL NOT penetrate the hammer.

Ms No
Do you ever have a day where you just wake up and are shocked at the three ring horror shitshow that we live under, as if you forgot to notice for a bit and then it slapped you in the face? I had that yesterday.

This is some scary **** and its like body snatchers out there. Pat yourself on the back for knowing whats going on, keeping your cool and being sane at all, because this **** is a horror. Most cant even look at reality because they cant handle it psychologically, like maybe this author.

I think this author gets paid to push drivel.

Ms No
Thats more likely in this case. Palm licking, virtue signalling, fake media...

Giant Meteor
I actually feel sorry for her, but not for the reasons she attempts to lay down here .. but her piece does gives an extreme crystalization of exactly how far down the rabbit hole this thing goes .. to my way of thinking, none better ..

It is sad ..

The USA has two staunch allies, Saudi Arabia and Israel.

They both took one for the team.

There was no seismic signal other than rebound. Nothing other than dust hit the ground.

The empirical evidence must guide us, no matter where it leads.

Whats really a stunner is how many in our government went right along with it for their regular paychecks. All 50 State AGs. Everyone in law enforcement. The whole msm was reading from prepared scripts as it unfolded. They all had the harley guys line word for word.

 Yes folks they sold out humanity for a paycheck.

 That said. We will need to barter for justice.

Deep Snorkeler
**** Cheney's Quotes

"if this was a democracy voters would count for something"

"the Pentagon is still looking for the $3 trillion they lost"

"what's good for Halliburton is good for America"

"taxpayers must realize it's not all fun and games"

Take the red pill, Danielle.

Either you’re too traumatized by the events of 9/11 to face the facts of what really happened, or you’re too ingrained in the state/media narrative to question it.

Elements of the state apparatus in usa, Israel, and Saudi Arabia perpetrated 9/11

it was a false flag, a psy-op against the American people, a gold heist, an insurance scam, and an insider trading bonanza.

911 Truth!  The official story is a fairy tale.
"We are a People of Amazing Grace who have not permitted the passage of time to besmirch the price paid by 2,977 patriots 18 years ago today."

Getting killed isn't patriotic.

small axe
written by the NSA tear-jerk algo? Or maybe the jerk-off algo.

if I get to heaven and there's a trading floor, I'm going to puke.

Zeuskiy Babarusky
Anyone here know who shorted American Airlines' stock like two or three days before 9/11. It seems to be pretty commonly known that it happened, but finding anyone who can do more than only speculate, who it was who shorted AA stocks is evasive. I know Jim Rickards, and probably many others, have videos and writings that mention the shorting, but nobody ever has come out so say who it was. It was someone who had information it was going to happen, how it would happen, and a pretty large sum of money, that much is assured.

No doubt all the big fish in the know gave their money to a broker and had him short the stock. The broker was later found shot "33" times, and declared a suicide by the ME, who coincidentally died in a tragic auto crash the next day.

Giant Meteor
Sounds about right ..

I'm afraid the evidence went up in smoke ..

Those two towers and three big smoking holes, covered a multitude of sins ..

WTC 7 collapse helped literally bury most financial records of Enron.

The Goy Wonder
Don't forget the Pentagon being hit right in the office where investigation to all that lost money was going on.

But that's just pure coincidence...

Great day again for Israel: ready to further steal land with impunity with the Zionists ruling as they did then in 2001.

They have shown they can do whatever they like: 9/11; Mossad ruled as they did with JFK. Dare say it and you will be treated like you were anti-Semitic or some such slur. They won and still are winning all the time and there is nobody who can stop them. EVery POTUS will play their game while pretending to fight this "Deep State". They win by deception and have Trump on their side.

Who "aimed" the planes at the buildings again?  Why did they do it? 

Ignoring the motive for this is self fagellation at best, **** at worse.


What the ****??

You mean shady trading firms like Cantor Fitzgerald?

Take your Angels and Heaven's trading floors and shove them up your ***. I didn't know they had trading firms in Heaven.

How about remembering the three million dead Vietnamese who the U.S. killed, after creating it's own war in Southeast Asia (started after interfering with the Geneva Agreement of 1954: An internationally brokered agreement to settle Vietnam's sovereignty using a political process).

Not to mention 100,000's of firebombed Japanese, etc., etc.
Title: Happy 9/11 🙃... (really) - Happy 😈 🦍 murder-kill-lie-war day ... 😱
Post by: AGelbert on September 11, 2019, 03:11:53 pm
1. Why I don't give a ( about my stupid Microsoft contract? "Tale of Two Brothers" : Daniel-sullivan-505714723 – 20190218-a-tale-of-two-brothers
2. Letter from my nephew - he's doing good.
3. How we're being gas-lit on the environment ...
4. Happy 9/11 🙃... (really) - Happy 😈 🦍 murder-kill-lie-war day ...

🔊 Podcast: ( Agelbert NOTE: Begin at 47:30 mark for 9/11 discussion.
Title: The Dust (or is it the Fascist Feces?) From 9/11 Has Yet to Settle
Post by: AGelbert on September 11, 2019, 08:09:49 pm

The Dust From 9/11 Has Yet to Settle >:(

September 11, 2019

A federal judge recently declared the government's terrorism watchlist unconstitutional, but the violation of civil liberties and US wars abroad continue.

Story Transcript

GREG WILPERT: Welcome to The Real News Network. I’m Greg Wilpert in Baltimore.

Wednesday, September 11th is the 18th anniversary of the 2001 terror attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, commonly known as 9/11. The aftermath of 9/11 was profound for the United States and the rest of the world, when the US began its so-called war on terror. Internationally, the US launched at least two wars. First, against Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban and to ostensibly capture Osama bin Laden, the alleged mastermind behind 9/11. This still continuing war is now the longest war in US history. One and a half years after 9/11, the US also went to war against Iraq.

Domestically, one of the most significant developments of 9/11 was the passage of the so-called USA Patriot Act. This law, which was passed a mere six weeks after 9/11, allowed the US government to indefinitely detain non-citizens; to surveil telephone, email, and financial records without a court order; and to access business records, including library and financial records. When the Patriot Act expired in 2015, Obama signed a new version of the law called the Freedom Act, which is set to expire by the end of this year. Last month, the Trump administration urged Congress to extend the Freedom Act’s provisions of mass telephone surveillance indefinitely.

However, a coalition of 30 digital rights, social justice and civil liberties groups urged house Democrats on Monday not to renew section 215 of the law, which allows the government to collect phone metadata without court authorization. In a related development, a federal judge ruled last Wednesday that the US government’s terrorism watchlist, which contains the names of at least 1.2 million people, most of the non-US citizens, is unconstitutional. According to the judge, “The risk of erroneous deprivation of plaintiffs travel-related and reputational liberty interest is high, and the currently existing procedural safeguards are not sufficient to address that risk.”

Joining me now to discuss the aftereffects of 9/11 is Marjorie Cohn. She is Professor Emerita at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, and a former President of the National Lawyers Guild. Thanks for joining us again, Marjorie.

MARJORIE COHN: My pleasure, Greg.

GREG WILPERT: So let’s start with the most recent development first, the ruling that the terrorism watchlist is unconstitutional. The case was brought by the Council on American Islamic Relations representing 19 US citizens who are on the list. Just how significant is this ruling, and what does it mean in practice for those who are on the list?

MARJORIE COHN: It’s quite significant because the Obama administration quietly approved a substantial increase in people on the terrorism watchlist. On 9/11, there were 16 names on this list. Today there are tens of thousands of names, as you said. And the plaintiffs in this lawsuit claimed that they had—This is not a No Fly List, which is more severe than the terrorism watchlist, but it’s similar. And the judge in this case that you talked about, actually used principles from the No Fly List. But the terrorism watchlist means that people can be stopped when they’re traveling, when they’re stopped by a police officer, pretty much any time and harassed, indefinitely detained, their phones and laptops confiscated, interrogations.

And these plaintiffs claimed that they had suffered pretty severe deprivations, injuries. One went to the hospital. He was on life support at one point, I believe. And so, they were not sure that they were on this list because the government doesn’t tell you you’re on the list. Nor were they told what evidence was used to put them on the list, if they were on the list. Nor were they told how they could refute the evidence, so-called evidence, and get off the list. And so that’s mainly why this judge, the US district court judge in the Eastern District of Virginia, decided that this was unconstitutional, it was too vague, and granted what is called summary judgment, which means that there are no material issues of fact that a jury could decide.

And so the plaintiffs won at this point, but it’s not a complete win because what the judge did was to send the case back and order that the parties file briefs about how this system could be made more fair, so it wouldn’t violate due process. In other words, remedies that these plaintiffs could get. So this was a very significant ruling, but again a partial ruling.

GREG WILPERT: Now, as you mentioned, it’s not generally known how many people are on this list or how did they get placed on the list, and it became quite notorious after 9/11 when thousands of people, as you mentioned, were denied permission to board airplanes because they were on a subset of that list. That is, the No Fly List. Now, how do these lists exactly impact civil liberties? Once they’re on it, is there any recourse to actually get off of it, especially now after this ruling?

MARJORIE COHN: Well, at this point, there isn’t a recourse to get off of it and that’s why the judge sent the case back. Basically, he told the parties to file briefs to talk about making these procedures comply with due process, but people are not told they’re on these lists. Secret evidence is used to put them on the list, even uncorroborated Facebook posts can be used. There is a standard of reasonable suspicion, which is a pretty low standard, lower than probable cause, that the government supposedly uses to put people on this list. And the standard is based on the totality of the circumstances, that means all of the factors.

They use the words articulable intelligence or information— although that’s not defined— taken together with rational inferences from those facts, lead one to believe that someone is a known or suspected terrorist. This is very, very vague, which is one of the problems that the judge found with it. Another problem is that the government, in putting people on these lists, can consider race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, beliefs protected by the First Amendment, including freedom of speech, religion, press, assembly and redress of grievances. They can look at people’s history associates, business associations, international associations, a study of Arabic for example, just about anything to put people on these lists. And really, it only takes one single person in the White House who has unilateral authority to put people on these lists. So the judge was, I think, justifiably concerned about this and the constitutional ramifications, which is why the ruling came out the way it did.

GREG WILPERT: Now, I want to turn to some of the other domestic consequences of 9/11. That is, the collection of phone records known as metadata of practically all US citizens. Since June 2013, we know thanks to Edward Snowden’s leaks, that this has been going on for a long time. Last October though, a declassified inspector general’s report revealed that most of the data that was being collected was useless, and that the National Security Agency apparently ended the program shortly after this report came out. However, the Trump administration apparently would like to see it revived. What would you say now remains of the Patriot Act and the consequences that 9/11 had on civil liberties?

MARJORIE COHN: Well, metadata is basically websites people visit, numbers they call, and this is what Edward Snowden revealed that the NSA, the National Security Agency, was looking for patterns so that they could use this to target people and basically spy on them without complying with the Fourth Amendment— warrant, etc. You cited that study that showed that this metadata is practically useless and metadata, interestingly, is also used in deciding who to target with drones, which is another result of the post-9/11 era. Bush started droning people. I think his first drone attack was in Yemen, and Obama took this to an even higher level.

I think he was using drones to attack people in seven different countries. ARS Technica did a study and found that the metadata that’s used to decide what people a drone will target resulted in 99% false positives. So, virtually useless. And yet, they’re still using it. And as you say, the Trump administration, even though the evidence shows that it’s not reliable, want to continue to use it. This is not surprising given Trump’s allergy to evidence-based and scientific evidence and data. The problem is that for political reasons, most people in Congress don’t have the backbone to stand up to the government when the government says, “Oh, we have to fight terrorism.”

And they don’t want—These people who are standing for reelection in the Congress, don’t want to be accused of being soft on terror, and so they roll over. After 9/11, it took about three weeks, as you said, for the Congress to pass the USA Patriot Act. And many of the provisions in the Patriot Act, the government had tried to get them through before 9/11 and Congress said no. But after 9/11, I think it was a 582-page bill, most people in Congress didn’t even read it. ACLU staffers reported that congressional aides had called them the day after the vote on the Patriot Act to find out what their members, their congressional members, had voted on.

And so they’re kind of flying blind, knee-jerk response to terrorism. And of course, that’s not all. We had increased surveillance and the drones, we have the torture program, and two major wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, illegal wars. Never should have happened as a result of 9/11 or in the wake of 9/11. And now, we’re celebrating the 18th anniversary of the longest war in US history, the war in Afghanistan. In addition to drone attacks, regime changes, and other kinds of interferences and interventions in many, many different countries, particularly in the Middle East.

So 9/11 had a profound effect on our liberties, but also the lives of people around the world. Untold numbers of people have died in these wars, in these drone attacks. Thousands of people have been tortured with so-called enhanced interrogation techniques. The Senate did an extensive study documenting the torture that had taken place, and yet no one at any level of authority has been held accountable. And that really, it was the responsibility of people in the Obama administration because under the Take Care Clause of the Constitution, the president has the duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. And yet Obama said, “Yes, well, we tortured some folks, but we’d rather look forward not backward.” I think he was thinking about himself not wanting to become a defendant in a war crimes prosecution in the future, and they also protect each other. And so, there’s been tremendous fallout since 9/11.

GREG WILPERT: Well, I think it’s very important to keep this in mind, this history, but also looking forward if the Freedom Act gets basically extended, as the Trump administration wants to do. But we’re going to have to leave it there for now. I was speaking to Marjorie Cohn, Professor Emerita at Thomas Jefferson School of Law. Thanks again, Marjorie, for having joined us today.

MARJORIE COHN: Thank you, Greg.

GREG WILPERT: And thank you for joining The Real News Network.
Post by: Surly1 on September 12, 2019, 07:54:29 am


A federal judge’s ruling has raised hopes that we may better understand any possible ties between Saudi Arabia’s ruling family and the 9/11 hijackers — the vast majority of whom were Saudi citizens.

Just ahead of the 18th anniversary of the attack, US District Judge William J. Zloch ruled that the FBI unlawfully withheld from journalists important parts of its own highly sensitive investigative report on the subject.

Earlier, the FBI had declined to release to the Florida Bulldog — a nonprofit news organization which first broke the news about the ruling — key sections from records of the bureau’s probe of a South Florida-based Saudi family that apparently had ties to many of the 9/11 hijackers.

According to a 2011 Bulldog report (and to a Sarasota Herald-Tribune story published the same day), Mohamed Atta, the 9/11 plot leader, had visited the family of Abdulaziz al-Hijji several times, and phone records documenting communication over more than a year connected them to Atta and 11 other terror suspects. (See below for details.)

Two weeks before the 9/11 attack, the al-Hijjis suddenly left the area, abandoning cars, furniture, clothing, food, and medicine, and leaving the door of a safe ajar. Soon after, they all — including Esam Ghazzawi, the father of al-Hijji’s wife and owner of the home — flew to Saudi Arabia.

Connecting the Florida Family to the Saudi Royal Family

Through its own investigation, WhoWhatWhy discovered that there is a direct link between Ghazzawi and the ruling Saudi royal family.

Ghazzawi served as director of Eirad Management Company, the UK division of Eirad Trading and Contracting Co. Ltd., which among other things holds the Saudi franchise for many multinational brands, including UPS.

Esam’s brother Mamdouh, whose name shows up on public records associated with family properties in the US, was the executive managing director of the parent firm, Eirad Holding Co. Ltd. Eirad has connections to the US government via contracts. In 2008, records show, the State Department paid Eirad $11,733 for rental of facilities, presumably in Saudi Arabia.

And the chairman of Eirad Holding Co. Ltd. — i.e., the Ghazzawi brothers’ boss — was Prince Sultan bin Fahd bin Salman bin Abdulaziz al Saud.

The prince is a prominent member of the ruling Saudi royal family. He is a great-grandson of King Abdul Aziz (commonly referred to as Ibn Saud), founder of modern Saudi Arabia, and grandson of the current king.

A 2009 article in the publication Arab News covering an Eirad awards ceremony for outstanding employees features quotes from Prince Sultan and Mamdouh Ghazzawi as, respectively, Chairman and Executive Managing Director.

A 2017 article in the UK’s Telegraph described Eirad as “the company which managed the [royal] family’s properties, fleet of cars and vast collection of artwork.”

The link between the Ghazzawis and high ranks of the Saudi establishment reopens questions about the Bush White House’s controversial approval of multiple charter flightsallowing Saudi nationals — including princes — to depart the US, beginning about 48 hours after the attacks, without the passengers being interviewed by law enforcement. This was after the identification of the majority of the hijackers as Saudis.

In addition, these revelations draw further attention to a web of relationships that include the long and close business, personal, and political ties between the Bush family and the Saudi royal family.

September 11, World Trade Center

Fires still burn amidst the rubble and debris of the World Trade Centers in New York City in the area known as Ground Zero two days after the 9/11 attacks. Photo credit: Mike Goad / Flickr

A Mysterious Disappearance

The al-Hijji family left Florida on August 27, 2001, according to reports released in 2019 by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. (The date had previously been given as August 30.) A counterterrorism agent and an administrator/security agent of the gated community got into the house and reported these findings:

There was mail on the table, dirty diapers in one of the bathrooms … all the toiletries still in place … all their clothes hanging in the closet … TVs … opulent furniture, equal or greater in value than the house … the pool running, with toys in it … The beds were made … fruit on the counter … the refrigerator full of food. … It was like they went grocery shopping. Like they went out to a movie … [But] the safe was open in the master bedroom, with nothing in it, not a paper clip. … A computer was still there. A computer plug in another room, and the line still there. Looked like they’d taken [another] computer and left the cord.

They abandoned three recently registered vehicles, including a brand-new Chrysler PT Cruiser, purchased in mid-August 2001.

The al-Hijji family left in a white van and traveled to another Ghazzawi property in Arlington, VA; then — with Esam Ghazzawi — they went, via Dulles airport and London’s Heathrow, to Riyadh.

Evidence Linking Family to 9/11

The Florida Bulldog reported the following discoveries:

Records subpoenaed from the phone company linked calls dating back for more than a year to and from the house to several of the 9/11 hijackers, and other terrorist suspects, including senior al-Qaeda member, Adnan Shukrijumah,

Mohamed Atta (who crashed a plane into the WTC), and Ziad Jarrah (who crashed a plane in Pennsylvania) were documented by gatekeepers to the Florida complex as visitors to the family. And their license plates were photographed as they went through the gate.

Three of the four men who piloted planes on 9/11 lived within 10 miles of the [al-Hijji/Ghazzawi] family and attended flight schools nearby.

Denial Upon Denial

The FBI failed to provide the information to congressional 9/11 investigators, or to the presidential 9/11 commission. They also did not turn over information connecting the hijackers to other Saudis living in California — which congressional investigators later discovered on their own.

When these investigators turned over to the 9/11 Commission a large body of information on the hijackers that they themselves had acquired, the panel seemed uninterested.

“They did very little with it,” said former Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), who served as co-chair of the congressional joint inquiry into 9/11, “and their reference to Saudi Arabia is almost cryptic sometimes. … I never got a good answer as to why they did not pursue that.”

The final 28-page section of the congressional report — which deals with “sources of foreign support for some of the Sept. 11 hijackers” — was entirely blanked out when it was released in July 2016. It was kept secret from the public on the orders of former President George W. Bush and is still withheld to this day, Graham said. (See additional revelations reported by WhoWhatWhy.)

Also kept from the public: Esam Ghazzawi and Abdulaziz al-Hijji had been on the FBI watch list — even before 9/11.

In response to the Sarasota Herald-Tribune article, the FBI issued a statement on September 15, 2011, claiming that the occupants of the house had been tracked down and interrogated, and that they were found to have no connections to the hijackers.

In March 2012, Lee Hamilton, former Indiana congressman and vice chairman of the 9/11 Commission, said, “We looked quite carefully at [possible Saudi involvement] and even sent investigators over there, and we found no hard evidence of any linkage to the hijackers. At the end of the day, you have to have hard evidence. Having said that, I will also say that despite our thorough investigation, a lot of questions about 9/11 remain unanswered.”

In a story published August 30, 2019, in Britain’s Telegraph, the FBI is quoted as saying, “At no time did the FBI develop evidence that connected the family members to any of the 9/11 hijackers … and there was no connection found to the 9/11 plot.’’

In court filings seeking to stave off a media Freedom of Information request, the FBI stated that releasing documents relating to this issue will harm “national security.” 

As proof of the sensitivity of the matter, the FBI gave the judge a document dated April 4, 2002, in which the FBI states provocatively that its own inquiries “revealed many connections” between a well-connected Saudi family with a house in South Florida and “individuals associated with the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001.”

More Denials

Abdulaziz al-Hijji, who rented the Florida house from Ghazzawi and is married to Ghazzawi’s daughter, now lives in London, where he works for his country’s state oil company. In an email to the Telegraph, he made the following assertion:

I have neither relation nor association with any of those bad people/criminals and the awful crime they did. 9/11 is a crime against the USA and all humankind and I’m very saddened and oppressed by these false allegations.

He also denied that he left his home in haste:

No, no, no. Absolutely not true. We were trying to secure the [Aramco] job. It was a good opportunity.

He added the surprising claim that his wife and children followed him to Saudi Arabia a few weeks after he left. But that directly contradicts what the FBI found, including the disarray in the abandoned house, and the bureau’s assertion that the whole family left the country within days of abandoning the Sarasota house.

A former neighbor and close friend of al-Hijji, Tom Bello, told the Sarasota Herald-Tribunehis Saudi friend did not raise any suspicion because of his “easy manner.” But then he remembered something significant:

He felt Americans came to their country to steal their oil and take their money. He said he did not like Americans because of what we did to his country.

He said: “How would you like it if we came to your country and did that?”

Related front page panorama photo credit: Adapted by WhoWhatWhy from The U.S. National Archives / Flickr.

Title: JEB Bush, Cheney. Rumsfeld AND the Mossad were the REAL masterminds of 9/11
Post by: AGelbert on September 12, 2019, 12:36:58 pm

The Saudis were bit players. Nothing will come of that except to keep people from looking at JEB Bush, Cheney. Rumsfeld AND the Mossad, who were the REAL masterminds  of 9/11. Highjackers did not fire a missle at the Pentagon, RUMSFELD ordered that TREASON. Highjackers did not plant explosives in the WTC towers, the MOSSAD, as authorized and directed by CHENEY and SHRUB, did. Without pre-planted explosives and without a missile making a hole in the Pentagon and without a FAKE hole in the ground where an (See: "Let's roll" made for Hollywood "heroic patriots" tear jerking narrative M.I.C. LIES) airliner "disappeared into", you DO NOT have (

However, WITH ALL THAT FAKERY, TREASON AND CAREFULLY PLANNED MASS MURDER, you have your "New" Pearl Harbor "excuse" to go ( FULL FASCIST.

The Saudi PATSIES are real and the Saudi money they got is real, but their role was as patsies, period. I am a pilot. There is NO WAY IN HELL that those novice pilots could fly those airliners into the WTC towers, PERIOD.

So, who did? The control center at WTC 7 (undoubtedly designed for this heinous purpose and passed off as an "Emergency Communications Center 😇 for New York" ( handled the remote control software (😈 developed and marketed to the USAF, by pure coincidence, by one of the KEY members of the 9/11 Commission WHITEWASH) on board those airliners as drones, PERIOD. THAT, not the Enron and Worldcom files, is the REASON WTC 7 had to be demolished. Then New York Mayor Rudy Giulliani (and present Trump 🦀 pal) is in this up to his traitorous neck.(

Although it will probably never happen, what we need is an order by a judge to get each and every e-mail sent and received by Jeb Bush, that fine fellow that organized the "New" Pearl Harbor PNAC Paper in 1998 and riggged votes in Florida in 2000 by illegally tossing off blacks and anyone else who might not vote Republican, from January 1, 1997 to August 31, 2001. The Jeb Bush neocon PNAC 9/11 Mens rea/Cui bono is so thick you can't cut it with a chainsaw.

In that e-mail treasure trove of planned high treason and mass murder, you would probably learn how the Bush clan had JFK junior killed to make sure Shrub didn't have to run against him. Also, some Quid Pro Quo "negotiations" with certain members of the Supreme Court in regard to the year 2000 Presidential (s)election would be exposed in all their corrupt, filthy, traitorous, fascist glory.

Oh, and while the judge is at it, subpoena each and every person present at that party that was tossed by Donald Rumsfeld, a little less than a month after 9/11, where an amazingly complete list of card carrying PNAC members were present, to explain, IN DETAIL, WTF they were CELEBRATING.

Title: "Americans and the people of the world have been massively deceived about the events on 9/11."
Post by: AGelbert on September 12, 2019, 02:37:17 pm
Published 9/11/2019

BY Paul Craig Roberts

Today is the 18th anniversary of 9/11, an event that has turned a once free America into a domestic police state and an international warmonger during the 21st century. America's reputation has been shattered along with the Constitution, international law, and seven nations in whole or part. The massive crimes against the Bill of Rights and the population of seven nations are the direct consequence of 9/11.

Global Research has assembled some articles ( ( ( that indicate that not only Americans but the people of the world have been massively deceived about that event.

Over the years I have reported the findings of scientists, engineers, and architects that indicate that the official story is false. I had an open mind for two reasons. One is that having been an engineering student, I could tell the difference from a building falling down from asymmetrical structural damage and a building blowing up.

The other is that having been involved in policy issues in Washington for a quarter century I knew that such a humiliating defeat suffered by the world's only superpower at the hands of a few Muslim terrorists would have brought instant demands from the White House, Congress, and media for investigation into how every aspect of the American national security state failed simultaneously on one morning.

Instead the White House resisted the 9/11 families demands for an investigation for one year and never delivered a forensic investigation. Instead, the country was given a 9/11 Commission Report that was merely the government's official story of what happened.

No heads rolled. No one was fired or even reprimanded. To hold no one accountable for such a massive failure and humiliating defeat is not a believable response if the official 9/11 story is true.

It is much easier for government to deceive people in a democracy where people assume everything is above board than in a dictatorship where they know it is not.

When Americans  ( Fell for the 9/11 Deception They Lost Their Country (

Paul Craig Roberts is right. However, he should have put quotes around the word, "democracy", as applied to the USA. It is not a coincidence that all but the wealthiest Americans of the Evil Parasites 'R' US class have. since the year 2000, massively lost economic ground along with the unconstitutional loss of freedoms that 9/11 enabled. Oligarchic asset stripping of a country, and simultaneous deliberate impoverishment and cruel oppression of the masses, always go hand in hand.

"You're Forecasting A Revolution" - Household Leverage Ratios By Wealth Distribution

Authored by Global Macro Monitor,

We are just starting to play with the wealth distribution data and will have much more coming your way.  What we have seen so far is shocking.

The distribution of wealth has deteriorated significantly over the past 20 years and is now so skewed toward the top that average U.S. household wealth is close to $1 million, though the median household wealth is only around $70k.

In fact, the aggregate level of wealth of the bottom 50 percent peaked in Q1 2000, the height of the bubble, and is down almost 10 percent in nominal terms.  Whereas, the aggregate wealth level of the top 1 percent is up almost 120 percent over the same period.


If  I brought a number or a forecast like that to my manager when I was a very young economist working on the World Bank’s capital flows model back in the day, he would say,

“You are forecasting revolution.”

Note the relative leverage ratio of the bottom 50 percent.  For several quarters after the GFC the bottom 50 percent, not all households but in aggregate, were technically insolvent, where debt levels were greater than the value of assets ( > 100 percent on the chart).

These data put the current political climate and debate around debt forgiveness in context. They also reflect the two-speed U.S. economy.

Stay tuned for some more shocking data.

Long pitchforks.


Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
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Post by: AGelbert on September 15, 2019, 09:55:25 pm



In the post-9/11 world, those who have made such claims, no matter how well-grounded their claims may be, have often been derided and attacked as “conspiracy theorists” for questioning the official claims that the three World Trade Center buildings that collapsed on September 11 did so for any reason other than being struck by planes and from the resulting fires. Yet, it is much more difficult to launch these same attacks against members of a fire department that lost a fireman on September 11 and many of whose members were involved with the rescue efforts of that day, some of whom still suffer from chronic illnesses as a result.

..., as evidence continues to mount that the official narrative itself is the irrational narrative, it becomes ever more clear that the reason for this media campaign is to prevent legitimate questions about that day from receiving the scrutiny they deserve, even smearing victims’ families and ailing first responders to do so. For too long, “Never Forget” has been nearly synonymous with “Never Question.”

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More  Americans Questioning Official 9/11 Story As New Evidence Contradicts Official Narrative ( (

Newly Released FBI Docs Shed Light on Apparent Mossad Foreknowledge of 9/11 Attacks
Title: Trump knows buildings
Post by: AGelbert on September 17, 2019, 02:31:28 pm
Asia Times

SEPTEMBER 11, 2019



Praying for a Pearl

Eighteen years after the game-changing fact, we all remain hostages of 9/11. US neocons, gathered at the Project for the New American Century, had been praying for a “Pearl Harbor” to reorient US foreign policy since 1997. Their prayers were answered beyond their wildest dreams.

Already in The Grand Chessboard, also published in 1997, former National Security Adviser and Trilateral Commission co-founder Zbigniew Brzezinski, nominally not a neocon, had pointed out that the American public “supported America’s engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.”

So,👹 Brzezinski added, America “may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.”

As an attack on the homeland, 9/11 generated the Global War on Terror, launched at 11pm on the same day, initially christened “The Long War” by the Pentagon, later sanitized as Overseas Contingency Operations by the Obama administration. This cost trillions of dollars, killed over half a million people and branched out into illegal wars against seven Muslim nations – all justified on “humanitarian grounds” and allegedly supported by the “international community.”

Year after year, 9/11 is essentially a You Have The Right to Accept Only The Official Version ritual ceremony, even as widespread evidence suggests the US government knew 9/11 would happen and did not stop it.

Three days after 9/11, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reported that in June 2001, German intelligence warned the CIA that Middle East terrorists were “planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture.”

In August 2001, President Putin ordered Russian intel to tell the US government “in the strongest possible terms” of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings, MSNBC revealed in an interview with Putin that was broadcast on September 15 that year.

No US government agency has released any information on who used foreknowledge of 9/11 in the financial markets. The US Congress did not even raise the issue. In Germany, investigative financial journalist Lars Schall has been working for years on a massive study detailing to a great extent insider trading before 9/11.

Mr ( Mueller, I presume

Robert Mueller was the Director of the FBI from 2001 to 2003. He was appointed by President Bush only one week before 9/11. Three days after 9/11, Mueller said, “there were no warning signs that I’m aware of” pointing to the possibility of airplanes crashing into buildings. (

In fact FBI agents repeatedly accused HQ of blocking myriad investigations before 9/11 that could have prevented it.

In a devastating book, The FBI Accomplice of 9/11 (Documents) (, written in French and recently translated into English, Patrick Pasin painstakingly tracks all warnings on record: not only to the FBI, directly, but also including the by now notorious “August 6 memo,” which referred to planned attacks involving multiple airplane hijackings. Then National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice famously dismissed the memo as “very vague,” “very non-specific” and “nothing really new here.”  (

Pasin meticulously aims to prove that the FBI knew all there was to know about indications toward the possibility of a 9/11. But then the bureau silenced them; buried them; made them disappear; fell into a prolonged comma; and, in quite serious instances, may have even forged false evidence, as in arguably fabricating a list of Muslim hijackers, complete with the finding of indestructible passports, and forging impossible phone calls placed at 30,000 feet.

Trump knows buildings

Discrediting the official, immutable 9/11 narrative remains the ultimate taboo. Hundreds of architects and engineers engaged in meticulous technical debunking of all aspects of 9/11’s official story are summarily dismissed as “conspiracy theorists.”

In the afternoon of 9/11, Donald Trump the real estate developer (not yet President of the United States) was interviewed by phone by Channel 9 in New York.

Fasten your seat belts, because this is incandescent. The serial money quotes start rolling at 5:20:

Channel 9: “There is a great deal of questions about whether or not the damage and the ultimate destruction of the buildings was caused by the airplanes, by architectural defect or possibly by bombs, or after-shocks. Do you have any thoughts on that?”

Donald Trump: “It wasn’t architectural defect. The World Trade Center was always known as a very, very strong building. Don’t forget that it took a big bomb in the basement [in 1993]. Now the basement is the most vulnerable place, because that is your foundation and it withstood that. And I got to see that area about 3 or 4 days after it took place, because one of my structural engineers actually took me for a tour because he did the building. And I said ‘I can’t believe it’. The building was standing solid and half of the columns were blown out. This was an unbelievably powerful building if you know anything about structure. It was one of the first buildings that was built from the outside. The steel, the reason the WTC had such narrow windows is that in between all the windows you had steel on the outside of the building. That’s why when I first looked at it you had big, heavy I-beams. When I first looked at it I couldn’t believe it because there was a hole in the steel. And this was steel that was … you remember the width of the windows of the World Trade Center, folks, I think that you know, if you were ever up there, they were quite narrow and in between was this heavy steel. I said: How could a plane, even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might have been, how could it possibly go through the steel? I happen to think that they had not only a plane, but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously. [italics mine]. Because I just can’t imagine anything being able to go through that wall. Most buildings are built with the steel on the inside around the elevator shafts. This one was built from the outside, which is the strongest structure you can have. And it was almost just like a can of soup.”

Channel 9: “You know…we were looking at pictures all morning long of that plane coming into Building #2. And when you see that approach the far side, then all of a sudden within another millisecond the explosion pops out the other side.”

Donald Trump: “Right. I just think that there was a plane with more than jet fuel.” [italics mine]

Donald ( Trump may be extremely controversial – and all things for all people. But one thing the former real estate developer and current President of the United States does know about is building construction.

Full article:                                              (

We are all hostages of 9/11 (

Agelbert article statement CORRECTION: Year after year, 9/11 is essentially a You Have The Right to Accept Only The Official Version ritual ceremony, even as widespread evidence suggests PROVES the US government knew 9/11 would happen and did not stop it BECAUSE the ROGUE US government Planned and Executed the 9/11 TREASONOUS False Flag attacks, and fully intented to carry out the carefully planned subsequent TREASONOUS cover up, FOR FASCIST ENABLING EMPIRE. (
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on September 17, 2019, 08:11:03 pm
Premiered Aug 9, 2019
Roundtable discussion about 9/11 entitled: AUTONOMY: 9-11 Revisited with James Corbett, Richard Gage and Richard Grove
(1 hour 22 minutes)
Title: How the US BECAME a Police State
Post by: AGelbert on September 17, 2019, 10:31:24 pm
Agelbert NOTE: This was five years ago. If things were that bad then, just think how totally fascist they are now. (


Andrew Steele sat, 08/30/2014 - 12:52pm

9/11 Free Fall 8/28/14: William Binney– Former NSA Technical Director

William Binney is a former highly placed intelligence official with the United States National Security Agency (NSA) who, after more than 30 years of service, resigned in 2001 and became a whistleblower exposing the NSA’s unconstitutional programs. He is also a recent signatory of AE911Truth’s petition calling for a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7 on 9/11. In this interview he talks about why he signed the petition, the NSA’s spying program, and offers some words of advice to the 9/11 Truth movement on how to pursue justice through official channels.
Title: Bombshell 💥: CNBC Anchor says Building 7 a 'Controlled Implosion'
Post by: AGelbert on September 26, 2019, 04:09:00 pm

( Sep 25, 2019, 7:55 PM

Bombshell 💥: CNBC Anchor says Building 7 a 'Controlled Implosion'

Insana’s story suggests he was told of Building 7’s demolition

On the 18th anniversary of 9/11, CNBC senior analyst and former anchor Ron Insana went on Bernie and Sid In the Morning on New York’s 77 WABC Radio to share his haunting experience of that horrible day.

Approximately eight minutes into the interview, Insana made a statement regarding the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 — which collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11 — that is truly stunning, especially considering his access to the scene and his job as a prominent news anchor. . .


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Title: CNN’s Brief Shining Moment on 9/11
Post by: AGelbert on October 02, 2019, 08:14:48 pm

You Weren’t Stupid, Mr. Brown: CNN’s Brief Shining Moment on 9/11

September 30, 2019

By Dr. Graeme MacQueen

Aaron Brown, news anchor during most of CNN’s coverage on September 11, 2001, was interviewed on the 15th anniversary of the event. He said in that interview that he had felt “profoundly stupid” when he was reporting the destruction of the first Tower (the South Tower) on that morning.
“I… I will tell you… that a million things had been running through my mind about what might happen. About the effect of a jet plane hitting people above where the impact was, what might be going on in those buildings. And it just never occurred to me that they’d come down…”

( (
Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on October 24, 2019, 04:45:13 pm
Oh come on, Rudy (

There was no scenario in which Rudy wasn't going to need a lawyer unless he was planning to represent himself, which meant he must have been planning to represent himself. That would be an absurd and self defeating move, but Rudy is all about absurd and self defeating moves. But when Parnas and Fruman appeared in court on Wednesday, they tried to invoke executive privilege, which is a clever way of dragging Donald Trump into their trial and making the whole thing his problem.

Shortly thereafter, Palmer Report noted that Rudy Giuliani finally came to life on Twitter after a prolonged quiet period, and made a point of asserting that all of his actions with regard to Ukraine were on Trump's behalf. In other words, if Lev and Igor are making their crimes Trump's problem, so is Rudy. After Rudy posted that tweet, CNN reported that he's now looking for a lawyer after all. So what's going on here? To borrow Trump's words, you'd have to ask Rudy.

Rudy Giuliani knows too much about what REALLY happened on 9/11 and who were the TRAITORS IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT 100% responsible for that false flag attack, including himself. It was Rudy Giuliani that was in the WTC 7 New York "Command Post" when the first two WTC Towers were demolished, leaving the third 9/11 building targeted for explosive demolition, WTC 7, only a few minutes before "office fires" ::) demolished it almost exactly in its footprint.

Rudy Giuliani KNEW WTC 7 had to be demolished with pre-planted explosives BECAUSE it had the 9/11 TREASON smoking gun (totally unrelated to the financial Worldcom, etc. "records that were lost". SEE: Limited hang out head fake). For those who don't get it, I suggest you follow the money involved in the contracting for and installing of all the electronics in the "Command Center" in WTC 7.

Rudy Giuliani was the ultimate bought and paid for INSIDER needed by Cheney & Pentagon pals, on 9/11 at ground zero, to make sure everything went as murderously planned, including playing the hero after electronically aiding in the destruction of three buildings. EVIDENCE of that is his complete "Everything is under control" expression on that day. You can see people around him still in a state of anger and/or shock. It is super easy to play the big brave "hero" when you are in on the False Flag TREASON.


9/11 False Flag attack Criminal Birds of a Treasonous FEATHER

That is probably why he thinks he is "untouchable".

In a way, he is right. Publicly, TPTB will probably never go after him. But, he forgets how it easy it is for "lamentable accidental deaths" and "unexpected lethal heart attacks" to occur... TPTB are not boy scouts. Rudy is expendable, whether he wants to believe that or not. So is Trump, though they will never cause visible bodily harm to Trump. Some drug (or repeated small doses of toxic heavy metals in his food like lead or arsenic will quickly mess up cognitive functions enough to produce dementia or alzheimers symptoms) that surreptitiously (i.e. to Trump's knowledge) produce "lamentable premature dementia" is probably they way TPTB will get rid of the current POTUS embarrassment IF Trump doesn't go quietly. The way Trump has started to babble incoherently (see: the "U.S. border wall" of Colorado), the cognitive impairment campaign by TPTB may already be active.

Agelbert NOTE: The Palmer Report keeps trying to frame Giuliani as a nut case or an incompetent criminal. He is evil, but he is neither crazy nor incompetent. Giuliani and Trump are being exposed by people with integrity.

Criminals arrogantly believe that ethics based guys and gals "always lose" to the "smart" people like him and Trump. That is the flaw in all these POTUS Criminal Conspiracies, not "incompetence".

Palmer does not want to go there. I read the Palmer Report almost every day. It has great reporting on the criminal activities of Trump and his wrecking crew. However, Palmer thinks Biden is a "good guy" and Sanders is "unelectable". That's just not true. He is also a worshipper of all things Pelosi. So, his objectivity is questionable when Democratic Party issues are the subject, even if he is fairly accurate about all things Trump.   
Title: New Paper on WTC ‘Collapses’ Adds to Literature Refuting Progressive Collapse Theory
Post by: AGelbert on November 03, 2019, 09:02:47 pm

Another Paper 👍 Refutes the Official ( Theory (

As it happens, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) limited the scope of its investigation to “the sequence of events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse.” Stunningly, NIST admitted that it conducted “little analysis of the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached” and that it was “unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.” 5 6


Nov 02, 2019

New Paper 👍 on WTC ‘Collapses’ Adds to Literature Refuting  Progressive Collapse ( Theory

Author Ansgar Schneider grateful to all who donated!

Few people know that the official account of the Twin Towers’ destruction relies entirely on just four journal papers. All four papers were coauthored by Northwestern University engineering professor Zdeněk Bažant, and all four were published in the ASCE’s Journal of Engineering Mechanics between 2002 and 2011 (Bažant submitted the first paper a mere two days after 9/11 (

This may come as a surprise to many people, since one would assume that the government itself fully investigated the Twin Towers’ destruction and offered a complete theory explaining these catastrophic building failures. But that assumption is wide of the mark . . .

( (

Title: Dylan Avery and Richard Gage on AE911Truth’s New Building 7 Documentary
Post by: AGelbert on December 03, 2019, 08:54:15 pm
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AE911Truth December 2, 2019

Dylan Avery and Richard Gage on AE911Truth’s New Building 7 Documentary

On this week's episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by Loose Change creator Dylan Avery and AE911Truth founder Richard Gage to discuss the organization's upcoming documentary about Building 7.

Going where no other film has gone, this short documentary will tell the story of the University of Alaska Fairbanks computer modeling study and the epic failure of our institutions to shine a light on this smoking gun of 9/11.

Dylan, Richard, and the staff and volunteers at AE911Truth are grateful to the many people who donated to make this production possible.

We invite you to 🔊 listen to the interview ( (     
Title: Re: Dylan Avery and Richard Gage on AE911Truth’s New Building 7 Documentary
Post by: Surly1 on December 04, 2019, 06:19:41 am
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AE911Truth December 2, 2019

Dylan Avery and Richard Gage on AE911Truth’s New Building 7 Documentary

On this week's episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by Loose Change creator Dylan Avery and AE911Truth founder Richard Gage to discuss the organization's upcoming documentary about Building 7.

Going where no other film has gone, this short documentary will tell the story of the University of Alaska Fairbanks computer modeling study and the epic failure of our institutions to shine a light on this smoking gun of 9/11.

Dylan, Richard, and the staff and volunteers at AE911Truth are grateful to the many people who donated to make this production possible.

We invite you to 🔊 listen to the interview ( (     

WTC 7 has been the subject of More nervous throat-clearing, side-eye and subject-changing than any other phenomenon in recent history. Fortunately for TPTB, we live in "the United States of Amnesia (per Gore Vidal)."
Title: 👹 NIST Doubles Down on Withholding Data
Post by: AGelbert on December 09, 2019, 08:17:03 pm

December 9, 2019

👹 NIST Doubles Down on Withholding Data


NIST ( Publishes New FAQ on Its Refusal to Release Key Building 7 Data

By Ted Walter

After 10 years of refusing to release key data from its analysis of the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has published a new FAQ on its website defending its ludicrous position that the release of this data “might jeopardize public safety.”

( (
Title: Look Ma, no jet engines!
Post by: AGelbert on January 09, 2020, 04:20:05 pm
B737 engine at B737 Crash Location in Iran (

Isn't it just amazing how no engine was on the rather clean and totally green and unburned lawn in front of the Pentagon on 9/11.

The 9/11 video that was aired once and never aired again.

I think I understand where those engines from that alleged "jetliner" that struck the Pentagon "went". You see, the Pentagon has this amazing ability to make things "disappear" (see below).
Title: series for Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth that addresses a defining issue of our time:
Post by: AGelbert on January 28, 2020, 05:39:01 pm


The Role of the 😈 Media 🙈🙉🙊: Act II — Operation ( Mockingbird

Part 22 of "Why Do Good People Become Silent—Or 🦍 Worse—About 9/11?"

( 🦅 Frances Shure ✨ resumes her series for Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth that addresses a defining issue of our time: "Why Do Good People Become Silent — or Worse — About 9/11?" Each installment of this series has been a synthesis of academic research and clinical observations on the subject. Shure writes:

"Since the CIA has long played such a unique role in manipulating the media both in the U.S. and abroad, I will now, in this installment, give this ( muscular body composed of national security intelligence operatives the special attention it warrants. In so doing, I will demonstrate the clear overlap that exists between the CIA (part of the powerful) and the mainstream media’s (  ( executives and  ( journalists (part of the structure)."

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Title: University Releases Final Report on Building 7, Intensifying Assault on Official Account
Post by: AGelbert on March 25, 2020, 09:35:31 pm

March 25, 2020


University Releases Final Report on Building 7, Intensifying Assault on Official Account

Send this news to Congress and share it widely!

Earlier today, Professor Leroy Hulsey and his team of engineers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks released the much-anticipated final report ( of their four-year study on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7.

The destruction of the 47-story WTC 7 late in the afternoon of September 11, 2001, was not a result of fires, according to the report issued ( by Professor Hulsey and his team. “The only way it could have fallen in the observed manner is by the near-simultaneous failure of every column,” Hulsey announced.

Share the Report Widely

On this momentous day — the culmination of four years of hard work — we are asking you to take five minutes and email this announcement to your members of Congress and to share it widely via email and social media.

► The full announcement for you to read and share is here. (

► Information for your U.S. Representative is here. (

► Information for your U.S. Senators is here. (

 Please copy so that we can tally numbers.

Virtual Presentation on Thurs., Mar. 26

Tomorrow at 4:00 PM Eastern, AE911Truth founder Richard Gage and civil engineer Roland Angle will hold a live virtual presentation to outline the findings contained in the final report. We invite you to tune in or watch the archived presentation at (

Thank You and Stay Tuned!

Professor Hulsey and everyone at AE911Truth are grateful to the thousands of people who supported or participated in this study. Now begins the work of disseminating the Hulsey report widely ( Stay tuned for further developments in the coming days, including the imminent submission of our “Request for Correction” to NIST. (
Title: Virtual presentation of the UAF team's findings:
Post by: AGelbert on March 26, 2020, 04:06:58 pm
University Study Finds Fire Did Not Cause Building 7’s Collapse on 9/11

Virtual presentation of the UAF team's findings:

On March 25, 2020, researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks issued the final report of a four-year computer modeling study on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7.

The 47-story WTC 7 was the third skyscraper to be completely destroyed on September 11, 2001, collapsing rapidly and symmetrically into its footprint at 5:20 PM. Seven years later, investigators at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) concluded that WTC 7 was the first steel-framed high-rise ever to have collapsed solely as a result of normal office fires.

Contrary to the conclusions of NIST, the UAF research team finds that the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11 was not caused by fires but instead was caused by the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

Download: Final Report ( | Abstract (
Title: Re: WTC 7 September 11, 2001 ➡️ NIST 🦅 Whistleblower Hails University of Alaska Fairbanks Report
Post by: AGelbert on April 03, 2020, 11:29:49 pm

April 3, 2020


NIST Whistleblower Hails University of Alaska Fairbanks Report

An Interview with 🦅 Peter Michael Ketcham

In this week’s episode of 9/11 Free Fall, former NIST employee Peter Michael Ketcham joins host Andy Steele to share his thoughts on the University of Alaska Fairbanks final report on World Trade Center Building 7.

Ketcham contends that it is now incumbent upon NIST, as a scientific agency with a duty to the public, to address these new findings and explain why they diverge so greatly from NIST's own 2008 report on WTC 7.

9/11 Free Fall recently moved from an hour-long to a half-hour format. We hope you’ll be able to tune in for this episode or read the full interview.

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Title: 🕵️ Coincidence? 🤔 NO 😬
Post by: AGelbert on April 06, 2020, 07:06:11 pm

( Coincidence?  ( ( ( (
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That June 2001 exercise, known as “Dark Winter,” also predicted many aspects of government pandemic response that would later re-emerge in last October’s simulation “Event 201,” which predicted a global pandemic caused by a novel Coronavirus just months before the Covid-19 outbreak. In addition, the U.S. government would lead its own multi-part series of pandemic simulations, called “Crimson Contagion,” that would also predict aspects of the Covid-19 outbreak and government response.

Upon further investigation, ( key leaders of both Event 201 and Crimson Contagion, not only have deep and longstanding ties to U.S. Intelligence and the U.S. Department of Defense, they were all previously involved in that same June 2001 exercise, Dark Winter. Some of these same individuals would also play a role in the FBI’s “sabotaged” investigation into the subsequent Anthrax attacks and are now handling major aspects of the U.S. government’s response to the Covid-19 crisis. One of those individuals, Robert Kadlec, was recently put in charge of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) entire Covid-19 response efforts, despite the fact that he was recently and directly responsible for actions that needlessly infected Americans with Covid-19.

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Title: Only by revising its “😈 probable collapse sequence” can NIST correct these violations, the 🗽 request
Post by: AGelbert on April 15, 2020, 07:09:03 pm

BREAKING: 9/11 Families, Experts Mount 🗽 Unprecedented Challenge to ( NIST in New Filing

AE911Truth April 15, 2020

Family members of those who died on September 11, 2001, joined building experts earlier today in submitting a “🦅 request for correction” to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) regarding its 2008 report on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7.

The request, which comprises more than 100 pages and five exhibits, represents an 🦅 unprecedented challenge to NIST’s report on WTC 7. With the ultimate aim of forcing NIST to reverse its conclusion that fires caused the building’s destruction, the request covers eight separate items of information that it says violate the agency’s information quality standards. Only by revising its “( probable collapse sequence” can NIST correct these violations, the request contends.


Starting today, under the procedure governing requests submitted to NIST, the agency has four months to respond. If NIST elects not to take corrective action, it must provide a “point-by-point response to any relevant data quality arguments contained in the request.” The request notes that if NIST does not provide a point-by-point response, NIST will have denied the request “in an arbitrary and capricious manner,” which would set the stage for legal action to force compliance.

The request relies substantially on a report issued last month by researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF), who concluded definitively that the destruction of the 47-story WTC 7 was not caused by fires. Their extensive four-year computer modeling effort was followed by a robust peer review process, which included dozens of comments from the public as well as review by two external, independent experts.

The study was funded by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth), a nonprofit representing more than 3,000 architects and engineers who have signed the organization’s petition calling for new investigation into the destruction of the three World Trade Center towers on 9/11. AE911Truth is now spearheading the request for correction based on the findings of the study. Other signers of the request include 88 architects and structural engineers and ten family members of 9/11 victims.

“We are proud to have supported the University of Alaska Fairbanks and Professor Leroy Hulsey in conducting a genuinely scientific study into the reasons for this building’s collapse,” said Richard Gage, founder of AE911Truth. “Now that the study is complete, the request for correction will force NIST to reverse its outlandish conclusion that fires were the cause of the collapse.”

For many of the family members, the request is their latest effort in a long journey to uncover the truth about the murder of their loved one. For others, it is their first time taking action.

I was sixteen years old when my father was killed in the North Tower. In the past year, I’ve come to learn much more about his murder,” said Kacee Papa, one of the ten family members to sign the request. “I would like to see the truth come out so that families can be aware, obtain justice, and above all ensure that nothing like this ever happens again.”

AE911Truth is inviting more 9/11 family members, architects, structural engineers, and organizations representing building professionals to join the request for correction. Please email if you are in one of these categories and would like to join the request.

Request for Correction

Exhibit A — A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7 - Final Report

Exhibit B — Declaration of André Rousseau, Applied Geophysicist

Exhibit B1 — André Rousseau CV

Exhibit C — Email from NIST public affairs officer Michael Newman to David Cole

Exhibit D — Table: Expansion of Beam K3004 vs. Temperature

Exhibit E — Documentation Indicating WTC 7 Steel Shipped to NIST

Agelbert NOTE: I wouldn't count on the NIST pack of liars, who specialize in covering the crime of the century, coming clean four months from now. Nevertheless, I celebrate these valiant efforts of people of good will to call those evil bastards out on their bold faced lies. (
Title: The 💣💥 Building 7 Film Teaser You Must See
Post by: AGelbert on April 17, 2020, 08:49:16 pm
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April 17, 2020 4:42 PM

The Building 7 Film Teaser You Must See

💣 💥 SEVEN Official Teaser (2020) | A Documentary on WTC Building 7

A Teaser for the Much-Anticipated Building 7 Documentary

Share it widely, and get ready for the film, because it’s coming soon! (

We at Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth are thrilled to release a short teaser for our upcoming documentary on Building 7 and the University of Alaska Fairbanks study. We’ve got to bring this film to millions, so please share the teaser widely and stay tuned for updates on our forthcoming release of the film!

SEVEN Official Teaser (2020) | A Documentary on WTC Building
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“SEVEN” is a documentary about the extraordinary conclusions of the University of Alaska Fairbanks study on the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 and the epic failure of our institutions to tell the truth.

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Title: Re: The 💣💥 Building 7 Film Teaser You Must See
Post by: Surly1 on April 18, 2020, 04:57:33 am

The Building 7 Film Teaser You Must See

SEVEN Official Teaser (2020) | A Documentary on WTC Building

This looks EXCELLENT!
Title: 🧐 FULL VIDEO 👉 Global Failure: Structural Reevaluation of WTC 7's Collapse 👀
Post by: AGelbert on April 21, 2020, 12:30:49 pm


Global Failure: Structural Reevaluation 👨‍🔬 🔬 of WTC 7's Collapse 👀
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On March 25, 2020, researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks issued the final report of a four-year computer modeling study on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7.

The 47-story WTC 7 was the third skyscraper to be completely destroyed on September 11, 2001, collapsing rapidly and symmetrically into its footprint at 5:20 PM. Seven years later, investigators at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) concluded that WTC 7 was the first steel-framed high-rise ever to have collapsed solely as a result of normal office fires.

Contrary to the conclusions of ( NIST, the 🦅 UAF research team finds that the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11 was not caused by fires but instead was caused by the near-simultaneous failure of every column 💥 in the building.

This presentation provides an in-depth look at the UAF findings.  (

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tommystock64 👍 21 hours ago

To me it seems very clear that media are conspirators if not in the attack it self, then at least the coverup of the reporting on WTC7 after the first report of it.

They ALL went mute on any further mentioning of it.



For readers who know how a government agency that wants to hide an explosive demolition crime would go about publishing a several page engineering fairy tale when most people are distracted with some big crisis making the papers, notice that 😈 NIST published their WTC 7 collapse (baloney) "study" in November of 2008(, when the worst economic hit to the USA since the Great Depression was unfolding and Mr. (NO) Hope and Change had just been (s)elected. They ( KNEW that, in addition to the great distraction from the public eye that the 2008 Financial Crisis gave them, (Fascist Warm Up) Obama would go after whistleblowers who might call bullshit on their "study" even harder than Bush. Ya gotta hand it to em', they know how to do their EVIL thing when nobody is looking. If you don't think they aren't taking 😈 EVIL Murderous Fascist Advantage of the Coronavirus Crisis right now, you don't understand the 👹 BIPARTISAN Social Darwinist Religion of TPTB currently running the USA into the Profit Over People and Planet burial ground.
Title: 9/11: An Architect's Guide - Part 3: The Twin Towers and Extreme Heat
Post by: AGelbert on April 25, 2020, 06:05:46 pm

Agelbert NOTE: Sound is lost for some minutes but returns at the 22:18 minute mark. The visuals during the lost sound provide all the information needed to understand the evidence of explosive demolition on 9/11 in the Twin Towers (WTC 7, though not disussed at this point, also was subjected to explosive demolition).

9/11: An Architect's Guide - Part 3: The Twin Towers and Extreme Heat
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9/11: An Architect’s Guide | Part 3: The Twin Towers and Extreme Heat
Course Number: AE911-AAG-L3
Live three-part webinar series. Each part is about 1 1/2 hours long.

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to conducting research and providing education about the complete destruction of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers, our courses give architects the technical knowledge and analytical framework with which to evaluate the most likely cause of those building failures.

Course Description:
Never before has a steel-framed high-rise collapsed from fire. Why, then, did three such buildings collapse on September 11, 2001?

In Part 3 of “9/11: An Architect’s Guide,” Richard Gage, AIA, provides an overview of the most important evidence related to the extreme heat observed both before and after the Twin Towers’ destruction.

As documented extensively in the report issued by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), molten metal was seen pouring out of the South Tower during the seven minutes leading up to its collapse. Molten metal was also observed in the debris of both buildings, while various other evidence of extreme heat and incendiary chemical reactions have been documented since.

In 2005, NIST concluded that the Twin Towers’ destruction resulted from the combined effects of the airplane impact damage and ensuing fires, both of which are phenomena that fail to account for the extreme heat observed before and after the Twin Towers’ destruction.

Does NIST’s explanation for these unprecedented structural failures explain all of the evidence? Together, we will study the collapses and evaluate which of the two leading hypotheses — fire-induced failure or controlled demolition — is more consistent with the evidence. Participants will be encouraged to decide for themselves if a new investigation is warranted.

Learning Objectives:

Participants will be able to:

1. Describe the characteristics of building fires and the aspects of high-rise design that contribute to make fire-induced failure in steel-framed high-rise buildings a rare occurrence.

2. Recognize the distinct features associated with fire-induced failure and the distinct features associated with the procedure of controlled demolition.

3. Describe step-by-step the series of structural failures that the National Institute of Standards and Technology found to be the most likely cause of the collapse of World Trade Center Twin Towers.

4. Analyze the physical evidence and the dynamics of the collapse of the Twin Towers according to how consistent it is with the competing hypotheses of fire-induced failure and controlled demolition.

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Title: Danny Jowenko Complete Interview
Post by: AGelbert on May 03, 2020, 05:10:53 pm
Danny Jowenko Complete Interview
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Title: Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
Post by: AGelbert on September 11, 2021, 06:54:07 pm
( Agelbert NOTE: These posts were originallly published April 05, 2019. I am reposting them to remind readers today that this thread has many posts that provide irrefutable evidence of what actuallly happened to the Pentagon Building (NOT an aircraft hitting it) and to THREE of the World Trade Center Towers (Pre-planned Explosive Demolition) on September 11, 2001.

The video that was here was TERMINATED by You Tube.  >:(

Published on Jan 13, 2012

Comment. This film was made by Dr Niels Harrit to document the BBC interview he gave to the BBC as part their 2011 'Conspiracy Files' series; which was basically an attempt to undermine the 9-11 truth movement.   (

It goes without saying that when it was all edited & spliced together Dr Harrit appeared to be simply another conspiracy nut & the interviewer a reasonable investigative Journalist just doing his job. This film however graphically shows the BBC in their true light & how they really conduct themselves away from public scrutiny.  (

There are many comments on here of the opinion that the interviewer; BBC Producer Michael Rudin is just some type of incompetent or even ill-mannered BBC hack. It is my personal belief that he is much worse than that. He is most likely is one of many employed by the security services as agents working at the BBC. The BBC is basically a propaganda tool for the state, irrespective of what stripe of government is in power their function is always to manipulate public opinion in order to maintain the status quo.

Don't forget to pay the license fee & enjoy the brainwashing. 😉

Three weeks notice for a 36 hour power down in the upper HALF of the WTC southern tower of the twin towers (where this man worked on the 97th floor) that took place September 8 and 9 of the year 2001... (
Title: Silverstein's "Pull It" Comment, and what claimed to have been referring to when confronted.
Post by: AGelbert on January 17, 2022, 06:35:38 pm

January 8, 2022

‘I do it for Frank’: Bill Brinnier on appearing in ‘The Unspeakable’ and Spike Lee’s ‘NYC Epicenters’

This week on 9/11 Free Fall, New York architect Bill Brinnier, who lost his best friend Frank De Martini on 9/11, sits down with Andy Steele to talk about his new role on AE911Truth’s board of directors and his recent appearances in Dylan Avery’s The Unspeakable and Spike Lee’s NYC Epicenters.

Although Bill was to appear in the 30-minute section of NYC Epicenters that was ultimately censored, he was also featured earlier in the series — where his comment that the North Tower was “demolished” still aired. Andy plays clips from both films, and Bill reflects on an eventful year for his own pursuit of truth on behalf of Frank.

This episode of 9/11 Free Fall is 50 minutes long. We invite you to watch or listen!

Agelbert NOTE: The following interview, not from AE911Truth (Architect Richard Gage left them for reasons unrelated to 911 events), is far more ( informative: (

Richard Gage ( Unleashed: Episode 49

Nov 4, 2021

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What's been going on with Richard Gage? When I heard he had separated from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth due to an issue with Spike Lee's documentary, I thought that was my cue to touch base with Richard again and see what he's been up to. This is a packed interview. We discuss (in order...)

The problem with Building 7 and how it's relevant to 9/11
😈Silverstein's "Pull It" Comment, and what claimed to have been referring to when confronted.
The attempts to erase Building 7 from history
The results of the Hulsley Report at The University of Alaska
Forcing NIST to correct a quote, and the upcoming lawsuit in Federal Court.

His separation from AE911Truth and the issue with Spike Lee's documentary.

The current film project "9/11: Crime Scene To Courtroom"

More evidence reviewed on 9/11 in general, and the hundreds of witness on explosives by front line workers.

He is looking for volunteers in social media, radio, database, and subscribers.
Creating a 9/11 Activist Registry so people can connect.