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Freedom & Democracy => Who CAN you trust? => Topic started by: AGelbert on January 25, 2016, 10:40:40 pm


Title: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on January 25, 2016, 10:40:40 pm
The Suicide of the Liberal Church

Posted on Jan 24, 2016

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The chapel of The General Theological Seminary in New York City. The seminary, founded in 1817, sold much of its property to developers in recent years. (Julie Jacobson / AP) (graphic at article link)

Paul Tillich wrote that all institutions, including the church, are inherently demonic. Reinhold Niebuhr asserted that no institution could ever achieve the morality of the individual. Institutions, he warned, to extend their lives when confronted with collapse, will swiftly betray the stances that ostensibly define them. Only individual men and women have the strength to hold fast to virtue when faced with the threat of death.

And decaying institutions, including the church, when consumed by fear, swiftly push those endowed with this moral courage and radicalism from their ranks, rendering themselves obsolete.


The wisdom of Tillich and Niebuhr has been borne out in the precipitous decline of the liberal church and the seminaries and divinity schools that train religious scholars and clergy. Faced with shrinking or nonexistent endowments, mounting debts, dwindling memberships, a lack of employment for their graduates and growing irrelevancy in a society that has little use for tepid church piety and the smug arrogance that comes with it, these institutions have fallen into physical and moral decay.

The number of adults in the mainline Protestant churches—Presbyterian, Unitarian-Universalist, Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian, Congregationalist—decreased from about 41 million in 2007 to 36 million in 2014, according to the Pew Research Center. And the average age of the congregant is 52. The Catholic Church also is being decimated; its decline has been exacerbated by its decades-long protection of sexual predators within the priesthood and the Vatican’s relentless campaign, especially under John Paul II, to force out of the church priests, nuns and lay leaders who focused their ministries on the poor and the oppressed. The Catholic Church, which has lost 3 million members over the last decade, has seen its hold on the U.S. population fall to 21 percent from 24.
 
Mainline seminaries and divinity schools have been merging or closing, and enrollment at such schools has declined by 24 percent in the last decade. Andover-Newton, founded in 1807, recently shut down. Lutheran Theological Seminary at Gettysburg, Pa., and Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia plan to merge. Union Theological Seminary, where black liberation, feminist, womanist and queer theologies have their roots, appears to be on the verge of selling “air space” to a developer to construct a luxury 35-to-40-story condominium building on its campus. General Theological Seminary in New York City, a school founded in 1817, has sold much of its property to developers, and it ended tenure for its faculty after the professors went out on strike to demand the removal of Dean and President Kurt Dunkle. Dunkle, who epitomizes the infusion of corporatism into the church, worked for many years as a lawyer doing commercial litigation before being ordained.

“What doomed General Seminary was not just financial mismanagement, but unethical leadership,”
Rob Stephens, a third-year student for the ministry at Union and part of a student movement fighting Union’s building project, said when I spoke with him by phone. “That is what made the faculty walk out. The Union administration, board of trustees and all of us need to learn this lesson and put a halt to the project.

The Union administration has said that Union, by building this luxury condominium, was being as bold as the original founders. This is one thing I can agree on. The original founders envisioned a place for privileged, white men. The original founders called abolitionism ‘fanaticism.’ The founders’ values won’t get us through this storm. Union is bigger than the administration and board. Union should be for all God’s people. If built, this luxury condominium would be a middle finger to Harlem. It would be a middle finger to faith-based social movements.

“This seminary has turned Black Lives Matter into a commodity,” he went on. “They sell this campus as being allied with Black Lives Matter and other social justice movements. But if we are readers of the Bible, we know that saying one thing and doing another leads to internal combustion. Inconsistency of values and actions can only lead to failure. As a seminary community, how can we have more faith in an unstable housing market than in the Gospel? You can’t reconcile luxury condominiums built by an anti-union contractor and no affordable housing with the Gospel of Jesus. This is another example of mainline Christianity casting their lot with capitalism instead of community. When will we learn?”

The self-identified religious institutions that thrive preach the perverted  “prosperity gospel,” the message that magic Jesus will make you rich, respected and powerful if you believe in him. Jesus, they claim, is an American capitalist, bigot and ardent imperialist.   (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pic4ever.com%2Fimages%2Facigar.gif&hash=dc9dccf92c6c88c99611b06c86d92629d69f2978)  >:( These sects selectively lift passages from the Bible to justify the unjustifiable, including homophobia, war, racism against Muslims, and the death penalty. Yet there are more students—2,067—at the evangelical Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary alone than at the divinity schools and seminaries of Yale, Harvard, Union, Vanderbilt and Chicago, whose combined enrollment is 1,537.

The doctrine these sects preach is Christian heresy. The Christian faith—as in the 1930s under Germany’s pro-Nazi Christian churchis being distorted to sanctify nationalism, unregulated capitalism and militarism.
The mainstream church, which refuses to denounce these heretics as heretics, a decision made in the name of tolerance, tacitly gives these sects credibility and squanders the prophetic voice of the church.

Kevin Kruse in his book “One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America” details how industrialists in the 1930s and 1940s poured money and resources into an effort to silence the social witness of the mainstream church, which was home to many radicals, socialists and proponents of the New Deal. These corporatists promoted and funded a brand of Christianity—which is today dominant—that conflates faith with free enterprise and American exceptionalism. The rich are rich, this creed goes, not because they are greedy or privileged, not because they use their power to their own advantage, not because they oppress the poor and the vulnerable, but because they are blessed.  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_9HT4xZyDmh4%2FTOHhxzA0wLI%2FAAAAAAAAEUk%2FoeHDS2cfxWQ%2Fs200%2FSmiley_Angel_Wings_Halo.jpg&hash=13281f1944b60773bf12b29387b70be77cc1fe16)   

And if we have enough faith, this heretical form of Christianity claims, God will bless the rest of us too.(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4) It is an inversion of the central message of the Gospel. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.sodahead.com%2Fpolls%2F000370273%2Fpolls_Smiley_Angry_256x256_3451_356175_answer_4_xlarge.png&hash=15577651daa4c35ff4d6b26217f99db6ebfde0b3)

You don’t need to spend three years at Harvard Divinity School as I did to figure that out.

Full article:

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-suicide-of-the-liberal-church/

Agelbert NOTE:
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"The mainline churches, by which we mean white denominations, are responsible for many of our greatest social ills, ..."

AGREED.

And they, like the "greed is good" bastards that corrupted this country, began their descent into irrelevancy and chaos when they forgot that respect for all life, not just human life, is a sine qua non REQUIREMENT for the perpetuation of a tool making, self aware species.

Although It certainly was part of the Christian Gospel before the corporate fascists corrupted it, you don't need to read it in the Holy Scripture to know it is true.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on January 31, 2016, 07:05:34 pm
Wise Advice from Webster Tarpley  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pic4ever.com%2Fimages%2F301.gif&hash=0291ed4abf2d80e420d1aa00d4eb3c5dd6bbfb53)


https://youtu.be/xljtUWPEXMI

Tax Wall Street Party Calls on Iowa and New Hampshire to Stop Fascist Trump at All Costs; Democrats Should Hold Their Noses and Vote for Bernie Sanders to Keep Primaries and Convention Open (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desismileys.com%2Fsmileys%2Fdesismileys_0293.gif&hash=b1af4868ed8f18c30e637f8cbcb79002f6f71039)
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on November 24, 2016, 01:14:22 pm
Agelbert REMINDER to those who will be "offended" (because they are supporters of the President Elect) by the hard truths stated in the article below:
 
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TOPICS: Democracy & Government

TAGS: 2016 election, donald trump, hillary clinton, media criticism
Democracy & Government


Farewell, America (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desismileys.com%2Fsmileys%2Fdesismileys_2955.gif&hash=ddc12d8bdb1bc63b7998a6b086b79a71b7bda755) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desismileys.com%2Fsmileys%2Fdesismileys_2953.gif&hash=b84c0ae260f7ac760e54bcdc33d788c36faa07c1)
 

No matter how the rest of the world looked at us on Nov. 7, they will now look at us differently.

By Neal Gabler | November 10, 2016

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The sun sets behind the Jefferson Memorial in Washington. (Photo By Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call)

America died on Nov. 8, 2016, not with a bang or a whimper, but at its own hand via electoral suicide. We the people chose a man who has shredded our values, our morals, our compassion, our tolerance, our decency, our sense of common purpose, our very identity — all the things that, however tenuously, made a nation out of a country.

Whatever place we now live in is not the same place it was on Nov. 7. No matter how the rest of the world looked at us on Nov. 7, they will now look at us differently. We are likely to be a pariah country. And we are lost for it. As I surveyed the ruin of that country this gray Wednesday morning, I found weary consolation in W.H. Auden’s poem, September 1, 1939, which concludes:


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BY Neal Gabler | November 8, 2016

“Defenseless under the night
 Our world in stupor lies;
 Yet, dotted everywhere,
 Ironic points of light
 Flash out wherever the Just
 Exchange their messages:
 May I, composed like them
 Of Eros and of dust,
 Beleaguered by the same
 Negation and despair,
 Show an affirming flame.”

I hunt for that affirming flame.

This generally has been called the “hate election” because everyone professed to hate both candidates. It turned out to be the hate election because, and let’s not mince words, of the hatefulness of the electorate. In the years to come, we will brace for the violence, the anger, the racism, the misogyny, the xenophobia, the nativism, the white sense of grievance that will undoubtedly be unleashed now that we have destroyed the values that have bound us.

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We all knew these hatreds lurked under the thinnest veneer of civility. That civility finally is gone.

We all knew these hatreds lurked under the thinnest veneer of civility. That civility finally is gone. In its absence, we may realize just how imperative that politesse was. It is the way we managed to coexist.

If there is a single sentence that characterizes the election, it is this: “He says the things I’m thinking.” That may be what is so terrifying. Who knew that so many tens of millions of white Americans were thinking unconscionable things about their fellow Americans? Who knew that tens of millions of white men felt so emasculated by women and challenged by minorities? Who knew that after years of seeming progress on race and gender, tens of millions of white Americans lived in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to arrive who would legitimize their worst selves and channel them into political power? Perhaps we had been living in a fool’s paradise. Now we aren’t.

This country has survived a civil war, two world wars, and a great depression. There are many who say we will survive this, too. Maybe we will, but we won’t survive unscathed. We know too much about each other to heal. No more can we pretend that we are exceptional or good or progressive or united. We are none of those things. Nor can we pretend that democracy works and that elections have more or less happy endings. Democracy only functions when its participants abide by certain conventions, certain codes of conduct and a respect for the process.

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No more can we pretend that we are exceptional or good or progressive or united. We are none of those things.

The virus that kills democracy is extremism because extremism disables those codes. Republicans have disrespected the process for decades. They have regarded any Democratic president as illegitimate. They have proudly boasted of preventing popularly elected Democrats from effecting policy and have asserted that only Republicans have the right to determine the nation’s course. They have worked tirelessly to make sure that the government cannot govern and to redefine the purpose of government as prevention rather than effectuation. In short, they haven’t believed in democracy for a long time, and the media never called them out on it.

Democracy can’t cope with extremism. Only violence and time can defeat it. The first is unacceptable, the second takes too long. Though Trump is an extremist, I have a feeling that he will be a very popular president and one likely to be re-elected by a substantial margin, no matter what he does or fails to do. That’s because ever since the days of Ronald Reagan, rhetoric has obviated action, speechifying has superseded governing.

Trump (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4)  was absolutely correct when he bragged that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and his supporters wouldn’t care. It was a dictator’s ugly vaunt (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pic4ever.com%2Fimages%2F2z6in9g.gif&hash=771b084a0f186d9cc14f31defd98a6c90b69b84f), but one that recognized this election never was about policy or economics or the “right path/wrong path,” or even values. It was about venting. So long as Trump vented their grievances, his all-white supporters didn’t care about anything else. He is smart enough to know that won’t change in the presidency. In fact, it is only likely to intensify. White America, Trump’s America, just wants to hear its anger bellowed. This is one time when the Bully Pulpit will be literal.

The media can’t be let off the hook for enabling an authoritarian to get to the White House. Long before he considered a presidential run, he was a media creation — a regular in the gossip pages, a photo on magazine covers, the bankrupt (morally and otherwise) mogul who hired and fired on The Apprentice. When he ran, the media treated him not as a candidate, but as a celebrity, and so treated him differently from ordinary pols. The media gave him free publicity, trumpeted his shenanigans, blasted out his tweets, allowed him to phone in his interviews, fell into his traps and generally kowtowed until they suddenly discovered that this joke could actually become president.

Just as Trump has shredded our values, our nation and our democracy, he has shredded the media. In this, as in his politics, he is only the latest avatar of a process that began long before his candidacy. Just as the sainted Ronald Reagan created an unbridgeable chasm between rich and poor that the Republicans would later exploit against Democrats, conservatives delegitimized mainstream journalism so that they could fill the vacuum.

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With Trump’s election, I think that the ideal of an objective, truthful journalism is dead, never to be revived.

Retiring conservative talk show host Charlie Sykes complained that after years of bashing from the right wing, the mainstream media no longer could perform their function as reporters, observers, fact dispensers, and even truth tellers, and he said we needed them. Like Goebbels before them, conservatives understood that they had to create their own facts, their own truths, their own reality. They have done so, and in so doing effectively destroyed the very idea of objectivity. Trump can lie constantly only because white America has accepted an Orwellian sense of truth — the truth pulled inside out.

With Trump’s election, I think that the ideal of an objective, truthful journalism is dead, never to be revived. Like Nixon and Sarah Palin before him, Trump ran against the media, boomeranging off the public’s contempt for the press. He ran against what he regarded as media elitism and bias, and he ran on the idea that the press disdained working-class white America. Among the many now-widening divides in the country, this is a big one, the divide between the media and working-class whites, because it creates a Wild West of information – a media ecology in which nothing can be believed except what you already believe.

With the mainstream media so delegitimized — a delegitimization for which they bear a good deal of blame, not having had the courage to take on lies and expose false equivalencies — they have very little role to play going forward in our politics. I suspect most of them will surrender to Trumpism — if they were able to normalize Trump as a candidate, they will no doubt normalize him as president.

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Cable news may even welcome him as a continuous entertainment and ratings booster. And in any case, like Reagan, he is bulletproof. The media cannot touch him, even if they wanted to. Presumably, there will be some courageous guerillas in the mainstream press, a kind of Resistance, who will try to fact-check him. But there will be few of them, and they will be whistling in the wind. Trump, like all dictators, is his own truth.

What’s more, Trump already has promised to take his war on the press into courtrooms and the halls of Congress. He wants to loosen libel protections, and he has threatened Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos of Amazon with an antitrust suit. Individual journalists have reason to fear him as well. He has already singled out NBC’s Katy Tur, perhaps the best of the television reporters, so that she needed the Secret Service to escort her from one of his rallies. Jewish journalists who have criticized Trump have been subjected to vicious anti-Semitism and intimidation from the alt-right. For the press, this is likely to be the new normal in an America in which white supremacists, neo-Nazi militias, racists, sexists, homophobes and anti-Semites have been legitimized by a new president who “says what I’m thinking.” It will be open season.

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This converts the media from reporters to targets, and they have little recourse. Still, if anyone points the way forward, it may be New York Times columnist David Brooks. Brooks is no paragon. He always had seemed to willfully neglect modern Republicanism’s incipient fascism (now no longer incipient), and he was an apologist for conservative self-enrichment and bigotry. But this campaign season, Brooks pretty much dispensed with politics. He seemed to have arrived at the conclusion that no good could possibly come of any of this and retreated into spirituality. What Brooks promoted were values of mutual respect, a bolder sense of civic engagement, an emphasis on community and neighborhood, and overall a belief in trickle-up decency rather than trickle-down economics. He is not hopeful, but he hasn’t lost all hope.

For those of us now languishing in despair, this may be a prescription for rejuvenation. We have lost the country, but by refocusing, we may have gained our own little patch of the world and, more granularly, our own family. For journalists, Brooks may show how political reporting, which, as I said, is likely to be irrelevant in the Trump age, might yield to a broader moral context in which one considers the effect that policy, strategy and governance have not only on our physical and economic well-being but also on our spiritual well-being. In a society that is likely to be fractious and odious, we need a national conversation on values. The media could help start it.

But the disempowered media may have one more role to fill: They must bear witness. Many years from now, future generations will need to know what happened to us and how it happened. They will need to know how disgruntled white Americans, full of self-righteous indignation, found a way to take back a country they felt they were entitled to and which they believed had been lost. They will need to know about the ugliness and evil that destroyed us as a nation after great men like Lincoln and Roosevelt guided us through  previous crises and kept our values intact. They will need to know, and they will need a vigorous, engaged, moral media to tell them. They will also need us.

We are not living for ourselves anymore in this country. Now we are living for history.

Neal Gabler is an author of five books and the recipient of two LA Times Book Prizes, Time magazine's non-fiction book of the year, USA Today's biography of the year and other awards. He is also a senior fellow at The Norman Lear Center at the University of Southern California, and is currently writing a biography of Sen. Edward Kennedy.

http://billmoyers.com/story/farewell-america/

Agelbert NOTE: Great article, but, unlike the author, many millions of Americans, like myself, KNEW about this suicidal trajectory, of which the ubiquitous racism is but one symptom of America's moral decay.

Neal Gabler is a good man of principle. He is clear on what is right and what is wrong. However, as the reality of the WAY things REALLY are in the USA struck him like a kick in the groin, Neal Gabler's surprise is evidence that he was a victim of white privileged liberal wishful thinking. None of the following was a surprise to me and millions of other Americans of mixed ancestry that know the score.

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If there is a single sentence that characterizes the election, it is this: “He says the things I’m thinking.” That may be what is so terrifying. Who knew that so many tens of millions of white Americans were thinking unconscionable things about their fellow Americans? Who knew that tens of millions of white men felt so emasculated by women and challenged by minorities? Who knew that after years of seeming progress on race and gender, tens of millions of white Americans lived in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to arrive who would legitimize their worst selves and channel them into political power? Perhaps we had been living in a fool’s paradise. Now we aren’t.

I have been warning about it to deaf ears for over a decade.  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desismileys.com%2Fsmileys%2Fdesismileys_1593.gif&hash=628238f2fc26695937f6e97b91b050976065743b) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pic4ever.com%2Fimages%2Fsnapoutofit.gif&hash=911b14b142101df534f739771fb2d3836a807d19)  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pic4ever.com%2Fimages%2F301.gif&hash=0291ed4abf2d80e420d1aa00d4eb3c5dd6bbfb53)


Also, unlike Neal Gabler, I dated the final nail in the coffin of American Democracy much earlier than this election. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coh2.org%2Fimages%2FSmileys%2Fhuhsign.gif&hash=3732d0427be65896527fc3805c5be54a33cffd3b)

I dated it to when THIS GUY had the nomination for VP stolen from him so the Truman party hack could do the bidding of the M.I.C. when Roosevelt died.
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But, you know what? The abysmally stupid and morally corruptive embrace of greed, xenophobia and racism is the LEAST of our worries as a people in this perfect storm of Wall Street 'dial a reality' that so many fools and knaves wish to celebrate.

Below please find, America TODAY:
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Like Goebbels before them, conservatives understood that they had to create their own facts, their own truths, their own reality. They have done so, and in so doing effectively destroyed the very idea of objectivity. Trump can lie constantly only because white America has accepted an Orwellian sense of truth — the truth pulled inside out.


BUT, THIS is America in the NEAR FUTURE:

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on December 02, 2016, 01:52:52 pm
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They complained that other people were creating and enforcing speech codes, while at the same time attempting to enforce their own speech codes.

Political correctness: how the right invented a phantom enemy

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by Moira Weigel

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As Jane Mayer documents in her book, Dark Money: the Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right, Bloom and D’Souza were funded by networks of conservative donors – particularly the Koch, Olin and Scaife families – who had spent the 1980s building programmes that they hoped would create a new “counter-intelligentsia”.

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Trump has also continued to cry PC in response to criticism. When an interviewer from Politico asked a Trump transition team member why Trump was appointing so many lobbyists and political insiders, despite having pledged to “drain the swamp” of them, the source said that “one of the most refreshing parts of … the whole Trump style (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pic4ever.com%2Fimages%2F2z6in9g.gif&hash=771b084a0f186d9cc14f31defd98a6c90b69b84f) is that he does not care about political correctness.”  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coh2.org%2Fimages%2FSmileys%2Fhuhsign.gif&hash=3732d0427be65896527fc3805c5be54a33cffd3b)

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/30/political-correctness-how-the-right-invented-phantom-enemy-donald-trump

Agelbert NOTE: The Fascists NEVER stop DOING what they DO:

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on December 16, 2016, 02:29:01 pm
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Joshua Scheer:
We're definitely going to want to talk about that. We're also going to talk about Jeffrey Sterling who is another whistleblower who is still in prison. I believe he is the, at his time, was the fifth person used in history the Espionage Act by President Obama. I want to talk about this intelligence briefing because the president-elect said on Fox News this Sunday, he's a pretty smart guy. We've discussed it in brief.
 
I want to let our listeners know what this president intelligence checklist was. It started with Kennedy in '61. It was typewritten. It's stamped for president only. It has gone through, obviously, technological innovation. Obama gets it on an iPad, and Trump has kind of said, "I'll get it when anything is new. It'll go through Mike Pence. It'll go through my generals." He said, this is his quote, "If something should change from this point, immediately call me. I'm available at one-minute's notice, but eight years, I don't need that. If something should change, let us know." Talk about this, because I'm sure you've been involved in briefing the president and certainly writing these reports.

John Kiriakou:
Sure.
 

Joshua Scheer:
How important are they? Some of the intelligence community, one David Bass, I'm thinking, worked for the-
 

John Kiriakou:
Priess.
 

Joshua Scheer:

Beast, yes, worked for the State Department, worked for Bush and Clinton as a CIA intelligence officer and talks about how important it is to be informed, and that you're making these decisions and you want to know all the information. Talk about this a little bit, about the president-elect rejecting these intelligence reports.


John Kiriakou:

Yeah, we've never had a president since Kennedy who just outrightly rejected his intelligence briefings. Bill Clinton famously was not briefed by his PDB briefer. PDB is President's Daily Brief, but what the briefer would do is that he would go to the White House every morning at 7 a.m. and drop it off, and Clinton would read it at his leisure. He was only briefed in person twice during his presidency, but Gore was briefed six days a week. Clinton read the briefing later in the day, and so he was informed.
 
Now, each day's PDB is specifically tailored to the president and to his interests, and so what Trump is reading right now, or what Trump would be reading if he were being briefed is really Obama's briefing. Obama has been steeped in these issues for eight years. I can see how they might seem a little too tactical, too detailed for Trump, but that's not just what Trump said. He didn't say they were too detailed and too tactical. He said he was a smart guy already and he didn't need to be briefed. That's a mistake, unless he is going to just wholesale turnover foreign and intelligence policy to Mike Pence. If Mike Pence is going to be the de facto president on these issues, then okay, I guess there is really no reason to brief Trump. If Trump is going to still have the final word on foreign defense and intelligence policy, I think this is a big mistake.
 

Joshua Scheer:
Yeah, go on on that a little bit. Obviously, Mike Pence, this guy ... Trump is acting as if this is not even a job. This is something where it's one of the many things he will be doing, certainly has given Pence a lot of power, which is scary. Jeremy Scahill has written about this de facto Christian fascist in power. There has been others who have written about that. What do you make of this? I mean, you've obviously followed politics a long time. Certainly, we've talked about this earlier in the interview, the CIA is probably scared about this, but is to be expected both on ... Obviously, we all have other people on to talk about, the EPA.
 
We're talking about scared agencies. The EPA right now is ... The Department of Energy, I'm sorry, is hiding people's names who have worked on climate science. They're not codifying the data they have gathered over a number of years to try to say that US States like California saying they're going on alone on immigration, on climate change. I mean, this is a really tumultuous time for everybody. I mean, we talked about it a little bit earlier, but I can't imagine that this is ... I mean, this must be the most experience you've ever seen, right?
 

John Kiriakou:

Yeah, I've never seen anything like this, and I've been close to several presidents from my CIA time. Even my wife was a senior CIA officer and has been even closer in some cases to presidents than have, and he's never seen anything like this either. I had dinner with a great friend of mine on Saturday night. He was my first boss at the CIA, and he goes back to the Carter administration, and he was of the opinion that this is utterly unprecedented. What makes is so dangerous is that this is not a weak president giving a strong president the authority to handle intelligence policy. This is a strongman who has surrounded himself with generals who is giving a weak vice president the authority to lead intelligence policy.
 
He said, "It's a disaster waiting to happen," and he feared that the only time the American people are going to understand what a terrible mistake this is, is when we're the victims of a terrorist attack on American soil, and people are going to want to know why the president wasn't up on this, why the president didn't order countermeasures, why the president dropped the ball. I fear that's the direction we're going in.
 

Listen to or read the full interview transcript:

The CIA's hypocritical stance on election interference

Friday, 16 December 2016 11:35

http://www.therealnews.com/t2/component/content/article/2982
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on December 22, 2016, 02:51:41 pm
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War Culture, Militarism and Racist Violence Under Trump
Posted on Dec 19, 2016

By Henry A. Giroux / Truthout

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/war_culture_militarism_and_racist_violence_under_trump_20161219


Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on March 06, 2017, 08:21:37 pm
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March 6, 2017

Wilkerson: Trump's New National Security Advisor Believes in Empire, More Realpolitik than Flynn

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson says General H.R. McMaster might be more restrained about military action, but will support massive budget increase to military and the imperial mission.

https://youtu.be/u5bJ3PPZ_jo

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=18477

Agelbert NOTE: I disagree with Col. Lawrence Wilkerson's belief (and hope) that Trump doesn't actually want to use the military; he does. As Trump's popularity declines, he will most likely try to distract the people from his domestic fascist mayhem with more war. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-200714183337.bmp&hash=fd5a6df63c32bd65dda7b6d93e788647ca3829df)
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on March 07, 2017, 06:28:02 pm
Empire Files: Chris Hedges & Abby Martin -Trump, Fascism & the Christian(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-TzWpwHzCvCI%2FT_sBEnhCCpI%2FAAAAAAAAME8%2FIsLpuU8HYxc%2Fs1600%2Fnooo-way-smiley.gif&hash=b8545bd420b1e2f2c7b9f665d2093523e4ad2251)  Right

https://youtu.be/TP5gjrh-3Ew

Published on Feb 27, 2017


For the first time in modern history, a fringe wing of Christian extremists have obtained the highest seats of power in the US government—from Mike Pence to Betsy DeVos.

This new development is coupled with the emergence of the Alt Right, the Trump movement, and the rise of fascist movements abroad.

Renowned journalist and author Chris Hedges has embedded himself in what he calls “Christianized Fascism” and warns that this is the biggest danger we face under Trump.

Agelbert NOTE: The Apostate Christian Church in the USA is "Christian" in name only. If Pruitt and the other crooks and liars on the Trump Team (along with Trump himself) are Christians, Hitler was a saint. These Trump cretins give Christianity a black eye!   (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-120716190938.png&hash=01feab1c7345a4e98764e0f9d24b2d69171b93c2)


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2 Timothy Chapter 3 King James Version (KJV)

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on June 17, 2017, 06:52:42 pm
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George Frederick Baer (September 26, 1842 – April 26, 1914) was an American lawyer who was the President of the Philadelphia and Reading Railroad and spokesman for the owners during the Anthracite Coal Strike of 1902.
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"These men don't suffer. Why, hell, half of them don't even speak English!" George Frederick Baer


Published on May 4, 2017

A bill to rob Americans of health care is barbaric and intolerable

https://youtu.be/gAChqYKslGs

The Shame and Cruelty of the GOP | The Resistance with Keith Olbermann | GQ

Agelbert NOTE: Keith hopes George Frederick Baer is in a certain place, which he hopes exists.

Well, I know it exists. Below, please find, a picture of Mr. Baer in his present abode:

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on June 28, 2017, 10:57:14 pm
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SCOTUS is Throwing Us into Jefferson's Nightmare (w/guest Rev. Barry Lynn)

https://youtu.be/jWrlKtpZAGU

June 27, 2017

Thom sits down with guest Reverend Barry W. Lynn (Executive Director - Americans United for Separation of Church and State) to talk about the recent Supreme Court decisions that reflect the increasing politicization of religious organizations.
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on July 01, 2017, 06:25:41 pm
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Yep.  :(  Jesus Christ said a thing or two to about how the Pences (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4)and Trumps (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013201314.png&hash=0715eb72631014310634eb56176ff860c6d542f6) of this world would treat good people:

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John 15 ( ERV -Easy to Read Version)

21 They will do to you whatever they did to me, because you belong to me. They don’t know the one who sent me.

22 If I had not come and spoken to the people of the world, they would not be guilty of sin. But now I have spoken to them. So they have no excuse for their sin.

23 “Whoever hates me also hates my Father.

24 I did things among the people of the world that no one else has ever done. If I had not done those things, they would not be guilty of sin. But they have seen what I did, and still they hate me and my Father.

25 But this happened to make clear the full meaning of what is written in their law: ‘They hated me for no reason.'

Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on August 13, 2017, 02:47:00 pm
2017-08-10 - How fossil fuel money made climate change denial the word of God: (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_9HT4xZyDmh4%2FTOHhxzA0wLI%2FAAAAAAAAEUk%2FoeHDS2cfxWQ%2Fs200%2FSmiley_Angel_Wings_Halo.jpg&hash=13281f1944b60773bf12b29387b70be77cc1fe16)(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4)
http://splinternews.com/how-fossil-fuel-money-made-climate-denial-the-word-of-g-1797466298 (http://splinternews.com/how-fossil-fuel-money-made-climate-denial-the-word-of-g-1797466298)

The Word of God has been twisted six ways from Sunday to justify doing EVIL for thousands of years. The Fossil Fuelers are just the latest loyal servants of Lucifer to join the band wagon. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-241013183046.jpeg&hash=51c9c4f17e747698c76c65c7c1814eff4f32c400) The Koch money, and the CIA and other Federal Government money has, for several decades, under the guise of "promoting democracy"  ;) :evil4: (see: National Endowment for fascism Democracy)  been given to "Christian" Churches in the USA and abroad to conflate US Fossil Fuel Gooberment, dirty energy/fascist policies with religion.

It's an old con. The idea is that if, as Hitler said, and had it put on all the belt buckles of the nazi soldiers, that GOT MIT UNS ("God with us" LOL!), then people can be convinced to do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the Word of God teaches. This way, the oligarchs, whether they be pseudo-Christians or not, laugh all the way to the bank.

Why, for example, do you think that "get prayer back in schools" was organized by hypocrites like "Dr." James Dobson with a call to "See you at the Flag."? Get it? The FLAG is the new symbol for GOT MIT UNS. Corrupted "Christianity", disguised as unrestrained Nationalism IS NOT Christianity, but idolatry.

From the "Manifest Destiny" UNCHRISTIAN Nationalist propaganda that resulted in the murder of millions of Native Americans, wars and racist abuse and murder of minorites  to the "God will solve the Global Warming thing so it's okay to pollute the planet" UNCHRISTIAN dirty energy defending propaganda, our gooberment  has succeeded in getting Americans to WORSHIP THE FLAG because they have been conned into believing that "God" is backing every damned thing (And I am not swearing) our corrupt, profit over people and planet, war loving, dirty energy defending gooberment DOES.

People are not easily convinced to go and fight for whatever or believe destroying their environment and the future for their kids is "okay" unless they think "God is on their side". It is a devilshly clever policy. Too many ignorant people have fallen for it.

The hypocrites do a lot of damage, Az. Which leads me to today's teaching on some of Christ's parables. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pic4ever.com%2Fimages%2F301.gif&hash=0291ed4abf2d80e420d1aa00d4eb3c5dd6bbfb53)

Agelbert NOTE: The parables taught by Jesus Christ have been frequently misinterpreted or even used to rationalize doing the opposite of what Christ actually taught. I am posting the following over several days in order to help clear up any misunderstandings among people of good will, along with eliminating self-serving rationalizitions often used by people of bad will.

Matthew 13:1-58

Eight parables are found here. In the first instance the parable is of the sower. The sowing of the seed refers to the Word of God.

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The seed, having grown in the good soil, becomes not only one but many believing witnesses cast into the world. Jesus explained that "the good seed are the children of the kingdom".

These parables are given so that we as the children of the kingdom in the world may know that we must expect opposition from the devil and his children.

In these parable, we are given the negative reaction to Christian action.

We must not try to uproot the weeds, representative of the evil ones in the world, because of our inability to judge rightly without the possibility of making a mistake. The ultimate disposition of the evil ones in the world will be accomplished by angels who are going to be sent by the Lord (v. 41) at the consummation of the age. Actually, the angels are designated as the final reapers of the harvest of our labor (v. 39).

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https://youtu.be/XjEpB2ikkuE (https://youtu.be/XjEpB2ikkuE)

Continued tomorrow

Parable no. 2 (vv. 24-30 the wheat and the tares) and parable no. 7 (the net which catches both good and bad fish) are illustrative of the fact that, as a result of the witnessing of children of the kingdom in this dispensation, there will be both genuine wheat and good fish, as well as tares and bad fish.

Not all who are caught in the net of evangelism are genuinely saved. The unsaved will be made manifest in the Day of Judgment at the consumation of the age.

Neither we nor angels, no matter how hard we try, wil be able to put the devil out of commision until the appointed time. The disciples wanted to pull out the tares planted by the devil, but were told not to do so until harvest time when the tares were going to be uprooted and utterly burned. See Jude v. 9.

Agelbert NOTE: It is one thing to not go out and kill the people you believe are pseudo-Christians dedicated to evil, but that doesn't mean we are not given sufficient discernment to know who they are. I am firmly convinced that Pat Robertson, Vice President Pence (and many other public figures that claim to be "Christians") are in the category of tares and bad fish. You know them by their empathy deficit, despicable, evil, destructive, hateful, war loving, rotten fruit.

Trump gets along great with those hypocrites. Is Trump the same as them?

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As for Trump, he doesn't have the remotest idea of what Christianity is, and never has entertained one single thought of accepting Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, except as a pose to con voters.

To non-believers, the difference between the Trumps and Pences of this world is irrelevant because they both obviously are people dominated by evil desires.

But according to Holy Scripture, the Trumps of this world, who never even looked at the seed of the Gospel or were never caught in the Gospel net of sound doctrine, are less guilty than people like Pence, Gorsuch, etc. et al, who drive potential converts to Christianity away with their in-your-face greed, lack of compassion, racism and bigotry while they simultaneously and shamelessly parade their sanctimonious guise of "Christian" beliefs.(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_9HT4xZyDmh4%2FTOHhxzA0wLI%2FAAAAAAAAEUk%2FoeHDS2cfxWQ%2Fs200%2FSmiley_Angel_Wings_Halo.jpg&hash=13281f1944b60773bf12b29387b70be77cc1fe16) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opednews.com%2Fpopulum%2Fuploaded%2Fwemeantwell-23439-20130307-234.jpg&hash=5d94476d7e46b55b11262b914d406946bde61c41)

Judgment begins in the House of the Lord.

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17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? - 1 Peter 4:17 KJV

Continued tomorrow
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on August 13, 2017, 05:50:40 pm
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August 13th, 2017 by Steve Hanley

SNIPPET:

Deacon McGrane refutes much of the scriptural basis that evangelicals rely on to justify their attacks on climate science and governmental policies designed to limit climate change. He feels it is essential to challenge those beliefs for the good of humanity, despite their basis in religious belief.

Climate Change & Christianity

Despising people who belong to other religions, dress differently, or speak other languages; hatred of non-whites; homophobia — all of these are as far from the teachings of Jesus as one can possibly imagine. Yet those hate-filled messages are uttered constantly by such self-important leaders as Franklin Graham and Pat Robertson and are taken to heart by many evangelicals.

Such misguided men are entitled to their opinions, of course, no matter how corrosive and mean spirited they may be. But when such beliefs seek to block essential action on the most pressing problem facing humanity — the destruction of the environment — it is essential to oppose their toxic words.   (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcliparts.co%2Fcliparts%2FBig%2FEgq%2FBigEgqBMT.png&hash=e7eec62f009cdd686ce795fad0a53c6befe748e9)


Deacon McGrane offers this alternative narrative.

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https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/13/evangelical-christians-climate-change/
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on September 27, 2017, 09:04:54 pm
Are There Fascists In America? Yes and They Aren't Who You Think They Are

https://youtu.be/ZjKPmcTWdoE

Sep. 26, 2017 4:00 pm

Thom breaks down the news of the day and asks a question. if there are fascist in America today, who are they? David Koch, maybe Mike Pence?

Agelbert ANSWER: All of those mentioned and many more.


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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on November 15, 2017, 06:19:44 pm
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Agelbert NOTE: Moore is a pseudo-Christian Fascist Kochroach, NOT A CHRISTIAN! Democrat Doug Jones is principled. Let us hope Jones wins agains this corrupt FASCIST RACIST 'Judge' Moore.

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Behind Roy Moore's Smear Campaign Against His Survivors (w/Guest Greg Palast)

https://youtu.be/7MtkXADFQXk

Roy Moore's story gets even more seedy when not only is he working on a smear campaign against his victims, but he hired the architect of a caging operation aimed at making sure that people of color, jewish people, even black soldiers in Iraq, to stop them from voting. These people are as evil as you could get.

Thom Hartmann Nov. 14, 2017 5:30 pm
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on November 19, 2017, 05:16:20 pm
PROOF that there is NO organized Christian Church in the USA

Poll: Majority Of Evangelicals Would Support Satan (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4) If He Ran As Republican Candidate


November 15, 2017

U.S.—A new LifeWay Research poll confirmed Wednesday that a majority of conservative evangelicals would vote for Satan, the Prince of Darkness, should he run for public office as a Republican candidate.

The poll found that 72% of self-identified evangelicals would vote and even campaign for the prince of fallen angels should he promise to promote Republican policies while in office.

“Most of those we surveyed agreed that they would in fact vote for Satan, as long as he verbally supported pro-life and pro-Second Amendment platform positions,” the head of the research study said. “A majority of respondents ‘strongly agreed’ that it was important for a candidate to pay lip service to the hot-button issues of the religious right, while strongly disagreeing that a candidate’s personal penchant for tempting countless millions of souls into the fires of hell would affect his public policies.”

“Lucifer? Yeah, I’d vote for him, as long as he claims to be a Republican,” one member of a study focus group said. “He’s got some character flaws, sure—who doesn’t—but we’ve got to remember that ensuring we Christians get some fleeting political power is far more important than whether our chosen candidate does a little soul-devouring on the side.”  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc06.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2009%2F347%2F2%2F6%2FWTF_Smiley_face_by_IveWasHere.jpg&hash=8ca673f8cf785d9dac626f9fd91e37a1a318c7ac)

The poll also looked at related issues, such as the willingness of evangelicals  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pic4ever.com%2Fimages%2Fd2.gif&hash=98d536bf1047a88ef91e9c45e08b725347c9fe13) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4) to overlook or minimize major moral failings in human candidates.

“Personal indiscretions, shady business dealings, making blood sacrifices to Azathoth the Daemon Sultan in secret—Christians are now willing to forgive literally everything if it means they’ll have some kind of political clout,” the study head told reporters. “Our findings confirm that conservative Christians are actually more likely to vote for mobsters, cultists, and hellish demon kings than any other demographic.

At publishing time, study officials had confirmed evangelicals would also be willing to support Sith lords, elder gods, and the evil Dr. Robotnik if they were to run for office as members of the GOP.

https://babylonbee.com/news/poll-majority-of-evangelicals-would-support-satan-if-he-ran-as-republican-candidate/ (https://babylonbee.com/news/poll-majority-of-evangelicals-would-support-satan-if-he-ran-as-republican-candidate/)

Agelbert Observation: Yeah, the above is satire. But the evidence is irrefutable that the WALK of the overwhemling majority (at leat 72%) of these pseudo-Christians is the exact opposite of the "we follow Jesus Christ's teachings" TALK. While it is true that these pseudo-Christians have never actually voted for Lucifer, the entitiy that Jesus Christ called the Prince of this world, they did vote for an adequate representative. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-270117175421.png&hash=cf39e823dd9156833bfa885808a876bf518bd0d6)

There are some Doomstead Diners that love to ridicule and condemn Christianity (i.e. the teachings of Jesus Christ) based on the voting habits of the pseudo-Christians from the American Organized Mainstream Orwellian Christian Churches, like those that dominate Texas and Florida politics, though the demonic influence of these War loving bastions of gun nuttery and bigotry is not limited to those two states. These crazed bigot factories are firmly entrenched all over the USA (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-200714183337.bmp&hash=fd5a6df63c32bd65dda7b6d93e788647ca3829df)  These Lucifer worshipping Churches are funded and religiously supported by their fellow Social Darwinist Religionists from the Military Industrial Complex AND Big Oil AND many 'Second Amendment' fetish gun lovers AND white supremacists AND (so on you get the 'might is right' idea).

So, the next time you fine felllows want to finger the "Christians" for the profit over people and planet woes cursing the USA, I suggest you remember that the nominal Christian Churches in the USA were long ago infiltrated (i.e. flipped to anti-Christian ideology) by the lovers of war and selective law enforcement in our IMPERIALIST/CAPITALIST government, who wanted to MAKE SURE this country NEVER espoused Christian behavior in foreign or domestic policy.

The RELIGION of most Doomstead Diners, like that of the pseudo-Christians who voted for Trump, and would vote for Lucifer himself if he he gave lip service to their spoon fed wedge issues, is Social Darwinism.

True, you Diners aren't being suckered into forking over 10% of your income to some sanctimonious charlatan crook running a con. And you save a little more money by not being preached to at in some building once a week or so. You are also far more objective than the pseudo-Christians church goers who delude themselves into believing that they worship Christ instead of Mammon. You materialsts have done all that scientific caloric math and haven't found any intrinsic thermodynamic value in the energy density of spiritual powers or the promise of salvation in the afterlife. Like all materialsts would say, "If ya can't measure it, it ain't there".

But in a way, you are even greater suckers than the pseudo-Christians. How can that be? Well, at least they actually believe that Lucifer exists. Lucifer has you by the cognitive short hairs because, not only do you scoff at the very idea of fallen angels, but you do not even want to admit that evil exists!

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May 14, 2014 ... “Maybe his [Satan's] greatest achievement in these times has been to make us believe that he does not exist, and that all can be fixed on a purely human level,” said Pope Francis.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-satan-s-greatest-achievement-has-been-make-us-believe-he (https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-satan-s-greatest-achievement-has-been-make-us-believe-he)

The CHURCH of Jesus Christ, since Jesus Christ founded it, has ALWAYS been composed of the members of the BODY of Christ. It has NEVER been a building. It will never be a human organization composed of a hierarchy. It is a group of humans who serve Jesus Christ, PERIOD. Many of those people who are destined for salvation do not even know they will be saved or that they are already serving Jesus Christ. Many who believe they are serving Jesus Christ and are saved will be damned. Only God knows. But I am certain we will all be judged by our actions (i.e. fruit/behavior), not by our words.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on December 19, 2017, 02:03:08 pm
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... but your hypocrisy glows with the radiance of 1000 suns.



Well and truly said, Surly. The pseudo-Christian Cretins and the Ryans of this world have absolutely no shame at all.
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on December 25, 2017, 07:09:40 pm
DEC 24, 2017 TD ORIGINALS


What Christmas Means

By Chris Hedges

SNIPPET:

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Jesus was not a Roman citizen. He lived under Roman occupation. The Romans were white. Jesus was a person of color. And the Romans, who peddled their own version of white supremacy, nailed people of color to crosses almost as often as we finish them off with lethal injections, gun them down in the streets or lock them up in cages. The Romans killed Jesus as an insurrectionist, a revolutionary. They feared the radicalism of the Christian Gospel. And they were right to fear it. The Roman state saw Jesus the way the American state saw Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. Then, like now, prophets were killed.

The radicalism of the Christian Gospel would be muted, distorted and denied by the institutional church once it came to power in the third century. It would be perverted by court theologians, church leaders and, in the 20th century, fascists. It would be mangled by the heretics in the Christian right to sanctify the worst aspects of American imperialism and capitalism. The Bible unequivocally condemns the powerful. It is not a self-help manual to become rich. It does not bless America or any other nation. It was written for the powerless, for those the theologian James Cone calls the crucified of the earth. It was written to give a voice to, and affirm the dignity of, those being crushed by malignant power and empire.

Excellent article:

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/what-christmas-means/

Agelbert NOTE: All true followers of Christ get the same treatment in this valley of tears.
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Proverbs 18:7 All the brethren of the poor do hate him: how much more do his friends go far from him? he pursueth them with words, yet they are wanting to him.



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Luke 9

23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels
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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on January 13, 2018, 03:48:17 pm
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Thursday January 11, 2018

Leaders of an “alternative religious group” in Cumberland, North Carolina have been arrested for forcing children as young as nine to work in fish markets to help fund the organization. Four have been arrested thus far though police have arrest warrants for six other suspects.

WRAL reports:

The group lives on a compound off McCollum Road in Godwin known as McCollum Ranch (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-250817135149.gif&hash=b4a8748d7cf56a31dd0a6aae5828ed2c1ac2815c) and operates at least three John C’s Fish Markets and mobile grills in Fayetteville and one in Lumberton, authorities said. Several former residents told authorities that children of members had to work full time in the fish markets with little to no compensation, lifting heavy boxes, keeping fish iced, cutting fish and cleaning, as well as performing construction and maintenance on the mobile grills after hours.

John McCollum, who runs the fish markets, Brenda Joyce Hall, Cornelia McDonald and Pamela Puga Luna have been arrested on charges of operating a continuing criminal enterprise, involuntary servitude of a minor, obtaining property by false pretense and conspiracy. Arrest warrants on the same charges have been issued for Shirley McNatt, Daffene Edge, Kassia Rogers, Irish Williams, Shirnitka McNatt and Earlene Hayat.

Lt. Sean Swain, spokesman for the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office, added that the cult has abused children for years. “We found that kids are like second generation of the ranch and that some of the people that we’ve charged in this were actually victimized years ago. They’ve just never left this ranch, and now their kids are second-generation victims,” he said.

McCollum is being held in the Cumberland County jail under a $1.1 million bond along with Hall, McDonald, and Luna.

Authorities are asking anyone with information on the whereabouts of the other six suspects to call the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office at 910-323-1500 or Crime Stoppers at 910-483-8477.

To read the entire article, click here http://www.wral.com/authorities-cumberland-religious-group-held-children-as-slaves/17247958/
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on January 26, 2018, 11:54:14 pm
How Can Conservatives (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_9HT4xZyDmh4%2FTOHhxzA0wLI%2FAAAAAAAAEUk%2FoeHDS2cfxWQ%2Fs200%2FSmiley_Angel_Wings_Halo.jpg&hash=13281f1944b60773bf12b29387b70be77cc1fe16) Claim to be Pro Life and Still Oppose DACA?

https://youtu.be/rHaRvytgLk8

Thom takes a call from a conservative who although claiming to be pro life still doesn't care about immigrant lives? What about Dreamers and DACA recipients? Are they not lives in the eyes of conservatives?

Thom Hartmann Jan. 26, 2018 2:00 pm
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on February 21, 2018, 03:09:26 pm
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Matthew Avery Sutton

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When Billy Graham stands before the judgment seat of God, he may finally realize how badly he failed his country, and perhaps his God. On civil rights and the environmental crisis, the most important issues of his lifetime, he championed the wrong policies.

Full article:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/21/billy-graham-wrong-side-history

Agelbert NOTE: As a Christian, I am CERTAIN that Billy Graham, a staunch friend of Richard Nixon (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013201314.png&hash=0715eb72631014310634eb56176ff860c6d542f6), failed God continually. Graham is a textbook example of the Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity in the USA. Graham chose power and privilege over justice and truth. IOW, Graham worshipped MAMMON instead of God.

WHAT IS MAMMON?

by Creflo Dollar | 9 Apr 2017

SUMMARY

Jesus did not throw words around, so it is significant that he used the word “mammon” at least four times in the New Testament. When he used it, he did not simply mean money; he deliberately used the word “mammon” to show us what happens when we become attached to money. But mammon’s influence does not just stop with wealth. If we are not vigilant, this spirit will extend to every area of our lives and convince us to trust it instead of God. It tries to motivate us to do more things for it than for God, with the goal of replacing God as the source of what we need. In the book of Exodus, this spirit convinced the people that they did not need God, and its strategy has not changed This evil spirit will deliberately lead us astray and abandon us, but God will always extend his mercy and grace when we need him.

A. Mammon is not money. It is the spirit of deceitful riches that lies to us.

He who is faithful in that which is least is also faithful in much, and he who is unjust in the least is also unjust in much (Luke 16:10-14).

Jesus’ parable, as well as the entire chapter, is about a steward who was unfaithful with his master’s goods because he was influenced by mammon.

The original translation of mammon is “deceitful riches.” Money with the spirit of mammon on it becomes deceitful.

Money is neither good nor bad; it takes on the spirit of who has it. How it is used depends on whether its owner is under the influence of God or mammon.

Mammon refers to the desire to pursue wealth as a primary goal in life. The Bible says to seek God first, and everything else will be added (Matthew 6:33).

The devil took Jesus up to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. He said to him, I will give you all these things if you will fall down and worship me (Matthew 4:8, 9).

Mammon tried to seduce Jesus; there is no reason not to think it would try the same trick with us.

Whatever mammon offers us is deceitful. Everything from this spirit is designed to fool us into thinking that walking with it will end well, but mammon always leaves us in a pit.

When Jesus entered Jericho, Zacchaeus climbed a tree to see him as he passed by. Jesus looked up and saw him, and said to Zacchaeus to come down quickly, because he had to stay at his house that day. Jesus then told another parable to teach about the link between money and faithfulness (Luke 19:2-24).

Zacchaeus first felt the favor of God when Jesus looked up and greeted him.

Zacchaeus had previously been under the spirit of mammon, but a meeting with Jesus freed him to become a giver.

B. We must be careful not to unwittingly make mammon our god.

Be careful for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God (Philippians 4:6).

We are told to be anxious for nothing. Being anxious about our unmet needs is a sign that we worship mammon.

No one can serve two masters; either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stand by and be devoted to the one and be against the other. You cannot serve God and deceitful riches, money, possessions, or whatever is trusted in (Matthew 6:24-32, AMPC).
We must stop being perpetually uneasy, anxious, and worried.

Aim at and strive for first of all his kingdom and righteousness, his way of doing and being right, and then all these things taken together will be given you besides. Do not worry or be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will have worries and anxieties of its own. Sufficient for each day is its own trouble (Matthew 6:33, 34, AMPC).

When we live in the present instead of the future, the Holy Spirit will give us the grace need at the moment.

We need not fear the future.

SCRIPTURE REFERENCES

Luke 16:10-14                                     Luke 19:2-24

Matthew 6:33                                      Philippians 4:6

Matthew 4:8, 9                                    Matthew 6:24-34, AMPCaggai 

https://creflodollarministries.org/Bible-Study/Study-Notes/What-is-Mammon


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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on February 21, 2018, 03:37:15 pm
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Making America Toxic Again

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/02/scott-pruitt-profile-epa-trump/

Agelbert NOTE: Pruitt is an excellent example of a a Pseudo-Christian Mammon (i.e. Fossil fuel fascists) worshipper who claims to be an "Evangelical Christian". Pruitt is about as Christian as Judas Iscariot. But, unfortuantely, that applies to the majority of the corporate fascsist corrupted "Evangelical Christian" (see 'Greed is good' propspertiy preaching) Churhes in the USA. Don't blame God for the Apostasy of the Churches in the USA!

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on February 22, 2018, 06:58:21 pm
Chris Hedges on Contact - American Fascists : The Dark Side of Religion in Christian America in 2007

https://youtu.be/2f1hZo0PQdI

MultiOmzz

Published on Dec 7, 2017

Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on February 25, 2018, 11:02:11 pm
Palmer Report

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Worshipping Donald Trump 

Tim Faulkner

Updated: 7:59 pm EST Sun Feb 25, 2018


It’s been said that it’s rude to discuss politics and religion in a social setting. That is becoming more and more difficult to avoid given the current political environment. With the advent of social media, more people began feeling comfortable sharing their beliefs on all issues, despite now having an even larger audience than when previous conversations were done at the dinner table or perhaps after a few drinks at the bar, when lips are loose and true opinions flow faster than the beer tap.

With the recent death of Evangelist Billy Graham there is even more discussion than normal of religion by those in politics. The rise of Donald Trump, and his subsequent support by those that claim to be extremely religious, is still odd. With absolutely zero evidence of Trump ever being religious prior to his presidential run so-called Christians seemed to flock to him as the second coming of Christ.

Their near worship of him, to this day, is baffling. The fact that Donald Trump still carries a high approval rating among Evangelicals is almost laughable, and certainly confusing. Despite all of the facts coming forward almost daily, involving Trump’s multiple affairs with p o r n stars and Playboy playmates, the “religious right” continue to make excuses for him.

So what could possibly explain the praise, admiration, and even idolization Evangelicals show towards a man who exhibits literally zero of the attributes taught by any religion? Are the followers simply brainwashed, believing every word their leaders push? Why are top Evangelicals willing to sell out their faith to gain supporters? Perhaps for the very same reason that Trump was happy to sell out America: for money and power. One thing is certain – fake prophets seem willing to do anything for real profits.

http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/worshipping-donald-trump/8320/

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on March 11, 2018, 04:52:14 pm
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Charlottesville made clear that far-right groups were a serious, violent threat. But it did not put an end to the debates over media coverage of these groups

In August, hundreds of white men with torches marched across the University of Virginia campus. They chanted “Jews will not replace us!” and “Blood and soil!” and fought with counter-protesters in th…

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on March 19, 2018, 06:43:31 pm
Corporate Fascism 😈 👹 💵 🎩 Corrupted the Christian Church in the USA
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Frances Fitzgerald, "The Evangelicals"

https://youtu.be/OVXr02vHmS4

Politics and Prose
Published on Apr 19, 2017
http://www.politics-prose.com/book/97...

Fitzgerald made her name with her now classic Fire in the Lake, which won both the Pulitzer and the National Book Award and is still considered one of the best accounts of the Vietnam War. Her sixth book chronicles the social and political roles of Evangelicals in America. Now constituting twenty-five percent of the American population, Evangelicals have helped shape the country since the Puritans, though they became a dominant force only with the Great Awakenings of the nineteenth century. A populist rebellion centered in revivals, the movement split along North-South lines with the Civil War, then into modernist-fundamentalist factions. Preachers like Billy Graham worked to unite the groups, but the turbulent 1960s divided them further.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on June 29, 2018, 07:30:53 pm
Sole Survivor Of Holocaust Finds More Than Uncanny Parallels to his Past in Trump 🦀

https://youtu.be/a3_fQiGmM1I

Thom Hartmann Program

Published on Jun 27, 2018

Are the comparisons being made between the Trump administration and Nazi Germany hyperbolic, Dr. Henry Oster, Sole Survivor of the Holocaust from Cologne Germany, doesn't think so

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on June 29, 2018, 08:18:32 pm
Did Trump (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-250817135149.gif&hash=b4a8748d7cf56a31dd0a6aae5828ed2c1ac2815c)Threaten Maxine Waters?


https://youtu.be/pG4R-9foUfE

Thom Hartmann Program

Published on Jun 26, 2018

Donald Trump may have just threatened Maxine Waters?
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on June 29, 2018, 08:41:39 pm
American Mythology and the loss of democracy

https://youtu.be/y9OJZOMEjOU

RT America

Published on Jun 23, 2018

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on July 01, 2018, 05:37:15 pm
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Truthout

In Upholding Muslim Ban, the Supreme Court Ignored International Law

Marjorie Cohn Truthout

PUBLISHED July 1, 2018

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Evidence of the Discriminatory Nature of the Travel Ban

Even though the Supreme Court majority held that the ban did not violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, much evidence exists to the contrary.

The Establishment Clause says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” That means “one religious denomination cannot be officially preferred over another,” according to Supreme Court case law.

After quoting a few of Trump’s anti-Muslim statements, Roberts noted, “the issue before us is not whether to denounce the statements” but rather “the significance of those statements in reviewing a Presidential directive, neutral on its face, addressing a matter within the core of executive responsibility.” Roberts added, “we must consider not only the statements of a particular President, but also the authority of the Presidency itself.”

Roberts wrote that the Court could consider the president’s statements “but will uphold the policy so long as it can reasonably be understood to result from a justification independent of unconstitutional grounds.” Courts must give great deference to the president in immigration matters and will uphold his policy if it has any legitimate purpose, Roberts noted. “The entry suspension has a legitimate grounding in national security concerns, quite apart from any religious hostility.” The text doesn’t specifically mention religion, so Roberts wrote it was “neutral on its face.”

Sotomayor spent seven of the 28 pages of her dissent listing more than a dozen statements by Trump denigrating Muslims. She cited the policy’s initial purpose as a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” in Trump’s words. But that policy “now masquerades behind a façade of national security concerns,” Sotomayor wrote.

She quoted a Trump adviser who said, “When [Donald Trump] first announced it, he said, ‘Muslim ban.’” Sotomayor also listed Trump’s declarations that “Islam hates us,” “we’re having problems with Muslims coming into the country,” and “Muslims do not respect us at all.”

Trump said President Franklin D. Roosevelt “did the same thing” with his internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, Sotomayor noted. Trump told a story about General John J. Pershing killing a large group of Muslim insurgents in the Philippines with bullets dipped in pig’s blood. When he issued his first ban, Trump explained that Christians would be given preference for entry as refugees into the United States. He also retweeted three anti-Muslim videos.

“Taking all the relevant evidence together,” Sotomayor wrote, “a reasonable observer would conclude that the Proclamation was driven primarily by anti-Muslim animus, rather than by the Government’s asserted national security justifications.” The Proclamation, she added, “is nothing more than a ‘religious (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-250817135149.gif&hash=b4a8748d7cf56a31dd0a6aae5828ed2c1ac2815c) gerrymander.'

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https://truthout.org/articles/in-upholding-muslim-ban-the-supreme-court-ignored-international-law/

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on July 10, 2018, 02:07:01 pm
Agelbert NOTE: Trump 🦀 is following EXACTLY the same playbook Hitler used in Germany to make the courts a handmaiden to fascist murder ☠️ and mayhem 💣. >:( God help us.

Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh stumbles out of the gate

Bill Palmer | 11:58 pm EDT July 9, 2018

Palmer Report » Analysis

Brett Kavanaugh just did a big favor for those who are seeking to defeat his nomination to the Supreme Court. Donald Trump could have picked any far-right judge and made his billionaire donors and extremist supporters happy. So why did he choose Kavanaugh specifically? You and I know that it obviously involved a private conversation about personal loyalty. But thanks to Kavanaugh’s big stupid mouth, now the whole world knows it.

After Donald Trump introduced Brett Kavanaugh as his Supreme Court nominee, Kavanaugh stepped to the microphone and said this: “No president has ever consulted more widely or talked to more people from more backgrounds to seek input for a Supreme Court nomination.” It was precisely what Trump wanted to hear. It was also the dumbest thing Kavanaugh has ever said in public, because he just personally married himself to Trump in the court of public opinion.

There are two ways we can convince mainstream America to ferociously stand up and fight against this Supreme Court pick. The first is to point out that Brett Kavanaugh will cast the deciding vote to overturn Roe v Wade, gay marriage, and other crucial rulings. This simply requires pointing to his existing record of far-right extremism. The second is to frame Kavanaugh as being a corrupt puppet of Donald Trump. This was going to be a difficult sell, until Kavanaugh just handed us the above quote.

I’ll post Brett Kavanaugh’s words about Donald Trump again, because this is the quote that you copy-paste and send to all your friends who wouldn’t normally care about the Supreme Court but who think Trump is a corrupt criminal: “No president has ever consulted more widely or talked to more people from more backgrounds to seek input for a Supreme Court nomination.” (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418201722.png&hash=5299cc10ee42beae76e4d3b7c79dbf5f4c0addac) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-251117175700.png&hash=00439d30db6e35817ea0d1fbcba614f1f971448e)

These are not the words of a legitimate judge. They’re the words of a corrupt judge who is willing and eager to do Trump’s 🦀 personal bidding 🦍 at the expense of America.

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http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/stumbles-brett-kavanaugh-trump-court/11298/

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on July 28, 2018, 04:24:46 pm
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By Associated Press.  Published July 28 at 3:21 pm

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https://www.kyivpost.com/russia/associated-press-putin-calls-christianity-foundation-of-russian-state.html
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on August 05, 2018, 06:55:43 pm
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Fascism is far too entrenched in U.S. government policies.  >:(

The U.S. is a Fascist Petro-State 🐉😈 👹🦕🦖.

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Webster warned that Trump is a full blown Fascist before the election.

https://youtu.be/r3RMghbNPh4
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on August 05, 2018, 07:10:05 pm
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Webster Tarpley believes Trump is a creature of the Deep State, not the enemy of it.  I agree.



HD | Jul 20, 2018 by Webster Tarpley Fan Channel

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Left Forum lecture with Webster Tarpley and Gregory Edwards recorded on June 2, 2018 After the 2016 election, Fox News 👹 has attempted to take control of the ...

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on August 31, 2018, 10:12:13 pm
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Deporting US Citizens: 😨  Trump’s 🦀 New Fascistic Use of Law

By Mark Bray,  Truthout Published August 31, 2018

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The paradox of the fascist conception of law sheds light on the Trump administration’s mission to systematically reduce the non-white population of the country regardless of what existing law says.

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https://truthout.org/articles/deporting-us-citizens-trumps-new-fascistic-use-of-law/
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on September 09, 2018, 11:43:35 am
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BY Marjorie Cohn Truthout

PUBLISHED September 8, 2018

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Hirono quoted an email in which Kavanaugh wrote, “I think the testimony needs to make clear that any program targeting Native Hawaiians as a group is subject to strict scrutiny and of questionable validity under the Constitution.”

That email was one of tens of thousands of documents the GOP-led Senate Judiciary Committee had marked “committee confidential” in an unprecedented attempt to hide them from the public. By releasing that email, Hirono risked censure, discipline or removal from the Senate.

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https://truthout.org/articles/brett-kavanaugh-is-a-threat-to-racial-justice-and-voting-rights/


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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on September 28, 2018, 11:00:05 pm
The Hostile Racism and Sexism Of Donald Trump 🦀 Define a Decades Long Constitutional Crisis

https://youtu.be/SNZwe5nkk3o

Thom Hartmann Program

Published on Sep 24, 2018

Are we in the middle of a constitutional crisis?

With new data showing that Donald Trump sits in a long history of illegitimately elected Republican presidents, we ask Chauncey DeVega on what we can do to fight  the decades long constitutional crisis exemplified by the hostile racism and sexism of Donald Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, the Republican Party, and the morbidly Rich.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 10, 2018, 03:08:51 pm
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Robert Harrington (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818185037-16412296.gif&hash=c8a4038d309a0f49ca4a7a464f30f9a340049cac) | 12:12 pm EDT October 10, 2018

Palmer Report » Analysis

When last year CNN fired sometime commentator and full time religious studies scholar Reza Aslan for tweeting that Donald Trump was a “piece of s h i t,” one was left to wonder if it was because he employed a profanity in describing the President of the United States, or merely because he committed the journalistic heresy of stating the obvious. Whichever it was, one cannot also help but wonder if CNN knew not what it did. For it was also about that time that Aslan put his perspicacious finger on the not-so-obvious reasons why “the Donald” has gathered unto himself so rabid a following, and how, after all this time, that following appears to have remained bafflingly loyal.

The good news is the aforementioned following we are concerned with here is at least confined to the pulpits and pews of white fundamentalist Christians. Were it not for Aslan, the question of why Trump should gain such popularity with such a group might remain an ostensible head scratcher. But for this recipe for Dragon Stew, Aslan actually provides us with a plausible dragon: Donald Trump is a religious cult.

That cult comes compliments of something called “the prosperity gospel.” The idea goes that the more righteous a man is, the more God blesses him with material wealth. Trump’s ostentatious trappings of wealth are the obvious proof that God must think Trump a pretty groovy guy.

Some of the cynical among us noticed that “the prosperity gospel” started to appear right around the same time that the dorsal fins of the big-haired, Rolex-wearing televangelists started to cut the water. Mansions needed sanctification, luxury cars and private jets required the consecration of Elijah’s chariots of fire. The prosperity gospel gave the perfect fit.


“But none of this … explains the most important phenomenon about white evangelicals in America,” Aslan says, “and that is this: In the span of a single election cycle, white evangelicals have gone from being the group in America that is most likely to say that a politician’s morality matters to the group that is now least likely to say that.”


In other words, the cult of personality surrounding Donald Trump has managed in a single election cycle to convince good people that doing bad things is okay. The last time we witnessed a phenomenon like that was when a community of Americans settled in a little regarded country called Guyana led by a little known evangelical named Jim Jones. This time the stakes are much, much higher.

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https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/prosperity-gospel-donald-trump/13333/

Agelbert NOTE: The Heretical Doctrine of Demons called "Prosperity Preaching" (a principle tenet of the Antinomian Christian Heretical teaching), that the pseudo-Christians in the USA are enthralled with, is thousands of years old.

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an·ti·no·mi·an
[an-ti- noh-mee- uhn]

NOUN

a person who maintains that Christians are freed from the moral law by virtue of grace as set forth in the gospel.

I have a deceased brother-in-law who worshipped monetary wealth above any Christian duty to help the disadvantaged and poor of this world. He thought it was A-OKAY to be GREEDY, as his wife (my sister, also a Mammon worshipping Pseudo-Christian) still, unfortunately for her, does.

In the Epistle II Peter in the New Testament, Peter addresses the Antinomians who claimed to be Christians. These Heretics were defined by their insistance that it was okay to sin to get more money and wantonly engage in just about any worldly lust they wanted to engage in based on a deliberate twisting of the Holy Scripture (SEE Paul: "We are saved by Grace, not works"). 

Peter makes it crystal clear that claiming to be a Christian and chasing money, comfort, power and the lusts of the flesh is HERESY. Anyone practicing it is doomed to perdition, period.

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II PETER 2: 17-22

17  These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18  For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean [5] escaped from them who live in error. 19  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 20, 2018, 04:46:27 pm
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Blumenthal joined Lebanon's Al Akhbar in late 2011 primarily to write about Israel-Palestine issues and foreign-policy debates in Washington, noting, upon leaving in mid-2012 in protest of its coverage of the Syrian Civil War, that it "gave me more latitude than any paper in the United States to write about ... Israel and Palestine". He ended his association with Al Akhbar in June 2012, over what he viewed as the newspaper's pro-Assad editorial line during the Syrian Civil War that he said was spearheaded by Amal Saad-Ghorayeb.

Blumenthal contributes weekly articles to Alternet where he has been a senior writer since September 2014. He focuses on the deepening crisis in the Middle East and its role in shaping political dynamics and public opinion in the US, particularly the special relationship with Israel. He occasionally covers domestic issues such as corporate media consolidation, the influence of the Christian right and police brutality. His reporting from the Gaza strip in 2014 was developed into a book, The 51 Day War: Ruin and Resistance in Gaza.

Blumenthal's articles and video documentaries have appeared in The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, The Daily Beast, The Nation, The Guardian, The Huffington Post, Independent Film Channel (IFC), Salon, The Real News, and Al Jazeera English, among other publications.


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Whether it was his revelation that Sarah Palin was "anointed" by a Kenyan priest famous for casting out witches, or his confronting Republican congressional leaders and John McCain's family at the GOP convention about the party's opposition to sex education (and hence, the rise in teen pregnancies like that of Palin's daughter), or his expose of the eccentric multimillionaire theocrat behind California's Prop 8 anti- gay marriage initiative, Blumenthal has become one of the most important and most constantly cited journalists on how fringe movements are becoming the Republican Party mainstream.

Republican Gomorrah is a bestiary of dysfunction, scandal and sordidness from the dark heart of the forces that now have a leash on the party. It shows how those forces are the ones that establishment Republicans-like John McCain-have to bow to if they have any hope of running for President. It shows that Sarah Palin was the logical choice of a party in the control of theocrats. But more that just an expose, Republican Gomorrah shows that many of the movement's leading figures have more in common than just the power they command within conservative ranks.

Their personal lives have been stained by crisis and scandal: depression, mental illness, extra-marital affairs, struggles with homosexual urges, heavy medication, addiction to pornography, serial domestic abuse, and even murder. Inspired by the work of psychologists Erich Fromm, who asserted that the fear of freedom propels anxiety-ridden people into authoritarian settings, Blumenthal explains in a compelling narrative how a culture of personal crisis has defined the radical right, transforming the nature of the Republican Party for the next generation and setting the stage for the future of American politics.

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Grace 👍rated it ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 

This book came highly recommended by Frank Schaeffer as in 'son of' Francis Schaeffer the father of the religious right.

As a person who has had to walk away from religion and church because of the hatred and bigotry that has surfaced since President Obama was elected I must say that this book only served to confirm many of the things that I saw were wrong with christian politics. Blumenthal delves into the Rusdoony/North dominion theology and how this has served as a catalyst to the religious right from legislation to burning and bombing abortion clinics and murdering abortion providers to the home school movement.

The one statistic that stood out was the fact that the STD and teen pregnancy rates are higher in areas that teach abstinence only sex education. Abstinence only education is the preferred method of the religious right wingers.

The book also covered in depth Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family and his interference in the government and legislative processes since the Bush Administration.

This book is a must read for any Christian who votes on only the issues of abortion and gay marriage.

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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6693566-republican-gomorrah

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 24, 2018, 07:43:13 pm
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 Unapologetic in Their Support for Trump

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"Conservatives & Christians need to stop electing 'nice guys,'" Falwell 😈 tweeted on September 28. "They might make great Christian leaders, but the US needs street fighters like @realDonaldTrump 😈 at every level of government … & many Repub leaders are a bunch of wimps!"
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In this pre-Midterm election period, conservative evangelicals have opened the media floodgates. There was the early October theatrical release of a film titled "The Trump Prophecy," – made in cooperation with Falwell's Liberty University – which maintains that Trump's election was ordained by God.

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Agelbert COMMENT: Niether Trump 🦀 nor all the PSEUDO-Christians like Pat Robertson 😈 , Falwell  👹, etc. et al will escape God's judgement for their despicable Blasphemy and Heresy.

These people are American FASCISTS! ‍ ☠️ 🚩

Fascism and Christianity are INCOMPATIBLE!

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 25, 2018, 10:25:46 pm
Oct 24, 2018 | 2,912 views | by Thom Hartmann Program

Over and over again, Donald Trump 😈 and the far right wing media ☠️ brought to you via the Koch Brothers 👹 and Rupert Murdoch 💵 🎩 🍌  🏴‍, tell their audience that the left is going to bring violence, while at the same time, creating an atmosphere where right wing gangs beat up protesters.

And now someone is sending suspicious packages and bombs to George Soros, Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton and more. Could this attack be related to antisemitic calls for violence from right wing pundits and politicians? 

https://youtu.be/4N1RUcKDPg4

Oct 25, 2018 | 904 views | by Thom Hartmann Program


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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 26, 2018, 04:01:25 pm
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Trump's Lies vs Your Brain - And what are "Alternative Facts" anyway?

https://youtu.be/UJA_Jbi6gE4

Thom Hartmann Program

Published on Jan 24, 2017

Thom talks about truth, lies, "alternative facts" and all the ways Republicans use to deceive and mislead the public.
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 27, 2018, 08:51:53 pm
OCT 27, 2018

At Least 11 Dead in Pittsburgh Synagogue Attack 😱

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/multiple-casualties-after-shooting-near-pittsburgh-synagogue/


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Bill Palmer | 6:49 pm EDT October 27, 2018

Palmer Report » Analysis

America has been hit with three different terrorist attacks this week. In all three cases, the perpetrator was right in Donald Trump’s wheelhouse: far-right, racist, and deranged. Rather than take responsibility for any of it, Trump keeps ratcheting up his divisive and often violent rhetoric. Tonight he held yet another political rally, and this time he reached a new low while addressing today’s terrorist attack at a synagogue in Pittsburgh.

As recently as yesterday, Donald Trump was standing in the White House and attacking “globalists” – which is century old antisemitic code for “Jews” – yet now that it suits him politically, he’s suddenly on the side of the Jews today. But during his rally, he wasn’t really siding with the Jews, so much as he was siding with the NRA. That’s right, Trump is now insisting that places like synagogues should arm themselves. Because if we’ve learned one thing about mass shootings, it’s that adding chaotic crossfire to the mix is the best way to make it turn out better.

Donald Trump then decided to use this shooting to start advocating for the death penalty. This stood out as odd, considering that the synagogue shooter Robert Bowers is white, and Trump has a history of only calling for the death penalty for black people. While the death penalty is certainly a Republican position, it’s weird and unseemly that he’s suddenly pushing for it now.

Unless we missed it, Donald Trump didn’t call for the Trump supporter in the Trump van to get the death penalty for trying to assassinate two former U.S. Presidents this week. Maybe Trump wants Robert Bowers to die because, while the two share the same far-right extremist views, Bowers dared to criticize Trump for not being enough of an extremist. And yes, Trump really is this petty.

Somewhere in there, Donald Trump decided that tonight would be a good time to dishonestly attack Elizabeth Warren over her Native American ancestry – even though she’s already taken a DNA test that proves she was telling the truth all along. Trump is simply deranged – and he’s every bit as deranged as the guy who shot up the synagogue today, the guy who tried to shoot up a black church this week, and the would-be assassin in the Trump van. The 25th Amendment was created for situations like this.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 27, 2018, 11:42:04 pm
LDF Statement on Tree of Life Synagogue Shooting

Sherrilyn A. Ifill, LDF contact@naacpldf.org via mail.salsalabs.net

October 27, 2018 9:04 PM (2 hours ago)

LDF. Defend. Educate. Empower.

LDF Statement on Tree of Life Synagogue Shooting

📢 Sherrilyn Ifill, President and Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc. (LDF), issued the following statement in response to reports of multiple casualties Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, PA:



"The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh has been victimized by the most terrible violence during Sabbath services. Our hearts go out to the entire congregation and community. We stand in solidarity with those in the Jewish faith as they mourn this unimaginable tragedy.

"This violent act of terror comes at a moment when the language of racism, anti-Semitism and dehumanizing rhetoric targeting political opponents has been promoted and condoned by elected leaders in our country, including President Trump (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fstyles%2Frenewablerevolution%2Ffiles%2F809_84688966.jpeg&hash=7f3e84eea23fef901b7df618784dc2005290f591). Just this week Democratic and progressive leaders around the country were victims of multiple attempted bombing attacks by a supporter of the President.

"We demand that our political leaders end their violent, racist and anti-Semitic rhetoric and strongly condemn those who stoke and fan the flames of violence and division. There are real consequences for vulnerable people across our country. Provoking violence cannot be accepted as a political tactic. It is contrary to the principles of democracy and humanity, and it must stop today. We need real leaders in our country who are ready to stand up for equality, justice and peace.

"We cannot separate today's terrible act of violence at the Tree of Life synagogue from other acts of terrorism that have targeted Americans based on race, religion or ethnicity. We well remember the pain of Charleston in 2015 and the massacre at the Sikh temple in 2012. Just a few days ago an armed gunman tried to enter an African American church in Kentucky, just before killing two separate, innocent Black grandparents in a Kroger parking lot. These shootings continue a legacy of racist violence against Black people, Jewish people, immigrants, and other racial and religious minorities. The country's failure to acknowledge and confront that unbroken history and learn from it is literally killing our communities."  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-111018132401-16881856.gif&hash=ef5bd30cec7a50a81f3507f9bd328189dead7aa2) 

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 28, 2018, 12:46:55 pm
Anti-Defamation League director: Rise in anti-Semitism 'more than what one man does'

Source: The Hill

BY MEGAN KELLER - 10/28/18 09:58 AM EDT

The chief executive and director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Jonathon Greenblatt, Sunday said that his organization will continue to call out rhetoric used by President Trump, but emphasized that the rise in anti-Semitism across the U.S. is the work of more than one man.

"I was encouraged that the president said something yesterday," Greenblatt told ABC's "This Week," regarding Trump's statements after a shooting at a Pittsburgh synagogue Saturday morning that killed at least 11 people.

"But it isn't only what you say after a tragedy that matters, it's the environment that you create with your rhetoric," he said. "And at the ADL we have spoken out when candidate Trump 🦀 or President Trump (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fstyles%2Frenewablerevolution%2Ffiles%2F809_84688966.jpeg&hash=7f3e84eea23fef901b7df618784dc2005290f591) has invoked anti-Semitic memes or used the rhetoric favored by White supremacists. But it’s more than what one man does," Greenblatt added.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 28, 2018, 01:30:35 pm
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Difference between Bush 😈 and Trump 👹 is a matter degree not kind

We and the world paid heavily for the vote stealing in Florida and the machinations by the Bushes which resulted in GW Bush 😈 and Dick Cheney 🦖 being installed in the White House by the 2000 Supreme Court decision-a partisan decision.


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GW also "normalized" Putin as a fellow Christian. ::)

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 28, 2018, 02:03:59 pm
October 28, 2018

The Poisoned right wing media environment

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 28, 2018, 03:05:41 pm
The Real Synagogue Shooter?

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MrRumpy 1 

Community

Sunday October 28, 2018 · 2:40 PM EDT

Or The Real MAGA Bomber, Or Both?

Trump and the Republicans may not have actually pulled the trigger, or mailed the bombs, but they might as well have.

Make no mistake, Trump and the Republicans know EXACTLY what they are saying and doing.

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They act with malicious intent and impunity because they think that we don’t care.

Trump is a coward and would rather have someone else do his dirty work  — whether it’s a “lone wolf” or his accomplices in the Republican party, someone does the deed and Trump gets to feign shock, cry crocodile tears and read a speechwriter’s fake words of sympathy, all while keeping his tiny hands clean.

And the press eats it up. No questions asked.

Why isn’t there a single front page headline that reads: TRUMP ATTENDS SELF-SERVING RALLY INSTEAD OF RUSHING TO PITTSBURGH TO COMFORT GRIEVING FAMILIES  —

Or — TRUMP BLAMES VICTIMS AND CALLS FOR ARMING SYNAGOGUE GOERS IN TONE-DEAF RESPONSE TO SHOOTINGS

They all have blood on their hands. EVERY. LAST. ONE OF THEM.

Jews, Mexicans, African Americans, Muslims, Immigrants, Women, the LGBT Community, Healthcare, the Free Press, the Constitution, Democracy, itself — Is there anything that Trump and the Republicans don’t hate?

Oh yeah, there’s money and power — the only things they love and are more than happy and willing to sell their souls for.

As long as Trump and the Republicans continue to spew lies, hatred, what-about-isms and both sides bullshit and as long as the MSM continues to be complicit and pretend to not be the corporate lapdogs that they are — choosing to profit from tragedy that sells rather than speak truth to power and demand accountability and justice — we should continue to expect lies, hatred and tragedy.

STOCHASTIC TERRORISM — I’ve seen this term being used a lot lately and I thought it would be helpful to publish a definition for those of us who kind of, sort of know what it means. I found this one online at WIKTIONARY:

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1. stochastic terrorism (uncountable) NOUN

The use of mass, public communication, usually against a particular individual or group, which incites or inspires acts of terrorism which are statistically probable but happen seemingly at random.

2. 2017, Clayton Delery,  Out for Queer Blood:

All of this fits with what the anonymous blogger G2G had to say in his expanded definition of stochastic terrorism: “you heat up the waters and stir the pot, knowing full well that sooner or later a lone wolf will pop up and do the deed. The fact that it will happen is as predictable as the fact that a heated pot of water will eventually boil. But the exact time and place of each incident will remain as random as the appearance of the first bubbles in the boiling pot."

Trump may be a coward, but he is still a terrorist (and a traitor, too, but that’s another story) and he leads a willing terrorist organization — the Republican Party.


DO YOU CARE ENOUGH TO REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER?

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/28/1807901/-The-Real-Synagogue-Shooter?utm_campaign=recent

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 28, 2018, 04:55:45 pm
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Wow, this is on Forbes.com💵 🎩?  :o 👍 "How Trump's Psychology Of Hate Unleashed The MAGABomber"

StevenJoseph 

Community

Saturday October 27, 2018 · 3:33 PM EDT

Those of us on the Left who have been paying close attention have realized how President Donald Trump's hateful words and encouragement of violence could incite violence not just at his rallies but across the nation.  The horrible violence by the Nazis and White Nationalists in Charlottesville showed us what the logical outcome of racists emboldened by Trump’s words and deeds would be.  Now, apparently, writers at even more traditionally Conservative places like Forbes.com realize it too:

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President Trump has, intentionally or not, hit a trifecta of hate that foments terrorism, in this case domestic terrorism. At rallies and speeches his incendiary eloquence identifies opponents as enemies then motivates hatred and sanctions violence against them. Facts no longer matter. Nor do values shared with those he sees as horrible, terrible people. What matters is that it’s us versus them. And we can’t let them win. Never apologize, never back down.

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The article, by psychologist and psychoanalyst Todd Essig, does a good job of summing up what effect Trump has on his base.  After more than 20 years in practice, Essig can recognize psychological manipulation when he sees it.  Essig identifies the three steps that Trump invokes that create the violence:

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1. Identifying a group as the enemy

2. Teaching people to hate the enemy

3.  Sanctioning Violence

This is the Trump recipe that leads to violence.  This is also the same recipe that was used by the German Nazis against Jewish people.  Essig points out that, whereas most leaders stop before they ever get to step 3, Trump does not, and this makes a big difference.  From sanctioning the body slamming of reporters to encouraging rally attendees to punch protesters, President Donald Trump has made obvious his approval of people raining violence down on people whom he considers the enemy.  I encourage you to read the article. It is only nine paragraphs long.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/27/1807711/-Wow-this-is-on-Forbes-com-How-Trump-s-Psychology-Of-Hate-Unleashed-The-MAGABomber

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 30, 2018, 01:25:32 pm
Trump Shut Programs to Counter Violent Extremism (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trump-shut-countering-violent-extremism-program/574237/)
The administration has hobbled the infrastructure designed to prevent atrocities like Pittsburgh.


SNIPPET:

When Trump supporters insist that he’s a steadfast foe of white supremacy, his critics often cite his history of ambivalent responses—or nonresponses—to anti-Semitism. But Trump’s words aren’t anomalous; he’s put his money where his mouth is.

We want to hear what you think about this article. Submit a letter to the editor or write to letters@theatlantic.com.

PETER BEINART is a contributing editor at The Atlantic and an associate professor of journalism and political science at the City University of New York.

Of course. Trump is a Stochastic Terrorist. He WANTS WHITE SUPREMACIST TERRORISM. He STOKES HATE for the "other" 24/7. Anyone claiming otherwise is, like all those on the list you posted

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AND Ilargi and Kunstler, etc. et al  (and some who post on this forum), a bigoted, racist, enabler of hate. 

October 29, 2018/42 Comments/in 2018 Mid-Term Election, Terrorism /by emptywheel

SNIPPET:

Trump’s effort to brand a group of refugees 1,000 miles from the border as a more urgent threat to the country than corruption or climate change or domestic gun violence — an effort which likely had a tie to both Cesar Sayoc’s terrorist attempt and Robert Bowers’ mass killing — is more of the same, an effort to claim that the most critical threats are foreign and anything he deems a threat is therefore un-American, also foreign.

Ultimately, the reason why the government won’t call last week’s attacks terrorism, however, is precisely the reason they should. Call them terror attacks, and the networks of support and enablers get investigated rather than just isolated men treated as lone wolves. Call them terror attacks, and we start to ask what responsibility Lou Dobbs or Steve King or Chris Farrell (or the people who vote for and fund them) — or Donald Trump — have for the attacks, in the same way we held Anwar al-Awlaki responsible for his role in the terrorist attacks that Scott Brown exploited to get elected.

Byman describes correctly how contentious this can be, because those espousing the same policies as terrorists don’t want to be associated with those terrorist acts.

[D]omestic terrorism often has a bigger political impact than jihadi violence. A foreign-based attack brings America together in the face of tragedy. But right-wing (and left-wing) violence is more likely to divide the country. Just this week, for example, 56-year-old Cesar Sayoc reportedly sent explosive packages to CNN, Democratic politicians, and others seen as “enemies” of Trump. Some right-wing voices immediately embraced conspiracy theories rather than recognizing his activities for what it was. Domestic terrorists poke at bigger political wounds than do jihadis, with at least some Americans sympathizing with their cause even as they reject their violent means.

In turn, observers often avoid the word “terrorism” because peaceful proponents of right-wing and left-wing causes don’t want to be lumped together, even by weak association, with terrorists. We can and should recognize that most political groups of all stripes abhor violence. Doing so—while also acknowledging that the groups and individuals who don’t belong in a separate category—will better enable the United States to isolate extremists and cut them off before the next tragedy.

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Because until the time those willing to coddle Trump’s racism in the name of tribal loyalty are defeated politically, they will want to pitch questions about what to label Cesar Sayoc and Robert Bowers’ actions as an attack on themselves.

Full article:


TRUMP  REFUSES TO KEEP THIS COUNTRY SAFE FROM TERRORISM
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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 30, 2018, 02:27:51 pm
My hometown football, team, the Steelers, have remade their logo in the wake of the shootings Saturday, with the Star of David substituting for the team's yellow star-like design. It's paired with the phrase "Stronger than Hate."
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👍

Jews first mourn their dead.

Then, they methodically put aside any thoughts of anger in order to carefully and logically plan an appropriate response to a barbarian 🦀 stoking hate and terrorsim at their gate.

IOW, they deliberately do not get mad; they get a LOT MORE than "even". The Antinomian Heretics of Christianity (e.g. Falwell, Graham, megachurch greedballs, etc. et al) and other assorted bigots and white supremacist capitalists that support Trump better pray that their god Lucifer (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4) will provide a miracle to keep Trump 🦀 in office from now on. He 🦀 will not remain in office without one.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2018, 02:56:52 pm
Thom Hartmann mentioned something important about the Goebbels advice to Hitler the other day. He said the Big Lie thing was actually secondary to the sine qua non activity that Hitler HAD TO engage in to consolidate, and remain, in power. THAT was to CONSTANTLY keep the people off balance with frequent (i.e DAILY, if possible) gossip. blatant outrageous remarks or whatever. This mens rea methodolgy is (though Goebbels probably didn't know the term "cognitive dissonance") prevents the public or the media from questioning power grabs by the Dictator. IOW it results in a paralyzed public. Thom made it clear that Trump (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fstyles%2Frenewablerevolution%2Ffiles%2F809_84688966.jpeg&hash=7f3e84eea23fef901b7df618784dc2005290f591) is following this Cognitive Dissonance producing playbook to the letter.

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The USA is the world's largest and longest surviving Pyramid Sales Corporation.


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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2018, 05:55:37 pm
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Jordan Peterson is BOUGHT AND PAID FOR by the Koch Brothers

Who is Jordan Peterson 😈, the ‘alt-right’ darling of YouTube?

Brenden Gallagher— Apr 30 at 2:00AM | Last updated Apr 30 at 8:45AM

SNIPPET:

If you hang around intellectuals or academics long enough, one of them will make the joke that they wish they were conservative (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-250718205808.gif&hash=5c451456a306c150d3555c49e31a2f47d6f369a9) because there is a lot more money in it. Jordan Peterson (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-250718205137.gif&hash=7a79df8ecf1b29d8599c26fe550e664c6c5e24bd) is living proof of that.

The Koch Brothers and the Heritage Foundation are eager to fund and promote the brightest minds conservatism has to offer. They intend to use the free market language of the right, there is a high demand for “intellectuals” who will defend conservative ideas, but there is a very low supply.

So if you’re wondering how 55-year-old Canadian psychology professor Jordan B. Peterson became an overnight sensation, going from obscure academic to international bestseller lauded in the New York Times 👹 as “most influential public intellectual in the Western world right now,” (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-191017140758.jpeg&hash=8c0a35a928dcda3c1a8714ab03f4924a1a775851) you don’t have to look much further than that old academic joke.

Jordan Peterson is famous because in the era of the resurgent alt-right, the loose collection of conservatives that align with white supremacists, there are few intellectuals willing to align themselves with the movement. The alt-right is in need of intellectuals to justify their fascist worldview, and Peterson has been ready.

Full article:

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jordan-peterson/ (https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jordan-peterson/)

Agelbert NOTE: I repeat, Jordan Peterson is a stalking horse for FASCISM. He  enthusiastically supports the Koch Brothers push to get Trump (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fstyles%2Frenewablerevolution%2Ffiles%2F780_9adc777a0e08428257b76ece69d18ee52006bb5e39d60d966bb2440d29d17641.jpeg&hash=4d8f2f9ea7b952c63ad0441a4619e9b370ddcb0a) and his wreckng crew (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418203402.gif&hash=b2691028ba683a0039a5811f5775c68d7ccae01c) to eliminate Social Security and Medicare.

Ashvin, like Jordan Peterson, is also a Fascist Enabler, as well as a serial liar.


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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2018, 08:30:52 pm
The Pittsburgh Massacre and Growing Fascism

October 29, 2018

TRNN’s Paul Jay joins Ben Norton for a Q&A on the Pittsburgh Massacre

https://youtu.be/UnVt6u4FH4Y

https://therealnews.com/stories/the-pittsburgh-massacre-and-growing-fascism
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2018, 08:39:24 pm
Trump's (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fstyles%2Frenewablerevolution%2Ffiles%2F809_84688966.jpeg&hash=7f3e84eea23fef901b7df618784dc2005290f591) Love Affair With Violence in the Age of Fascist Nihilism

BY Henry A. Giroux, Truthout

PUBLISHED October 31, 2018

The ghosts of a fascist past have erupted into a new American nightmare as violence becomes the new normal under Trump. This administration has created a social order and political movement that views violence as a tool for social and racial cleansing and is pouring fuel on a fire that produces endless assaults on those considered vulnerable, disposable and worthy of extermination.

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https://truthout.org/articles/trumps-love-affair-with-violence-in-the-age-of-fascist-nihilism/
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2018, 10:54:52 pm
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OCT 30, 2018

Thom Hartmann: Trump (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fstyles%2Frenewablerevolution%2Ffiles%2F809_84688966.jpeg&hash=7f3e84eea23fef901b7df618784dc2005290f591) and Fox News 😈 Have Blood on Their Hands

It’s already started. They’re messaging, texting, tweeting, and even calling into my radio/TV show. Breitbart (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-250718205808.gif&hash=5c451456a306c150d3555c49e31a2f47d6f369a9) is even bragging that they got it on CNN.

“This killing in Pittsburgh has nothing to do with Donald Trump. He’s not an anti-Semite; his daughter converted to Judaism and his grandkids are Jews! How can you blame him for the ‘mentally ill’ guy [a phrase used to describe terrorists only when they’re white]?”

But the shooter, by his own words—words that are almost entirely missing from most TV coverage—acted because of what both Trump and Newt Gingrich have said was the main election-year message of Trump and the entire Republican Party: Immigration by people of color.

As the terrorist himself posted on social media just a few hours before he walked into the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh with an AR-15, he was going to kill members of a congregation that supported the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS).

HIAS (whose slogan is “Welcome the stranger; Protect the refugee”) had designated October 19 and 20 of this year as the “National Refugee Shabbat”—and when they did so, the terrorist posted on a right-wing social media site, “Why hello there HIAS! You like to bring in hostile invaders to dwell among us? We appreciate the list of friends you have provided.”

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HIAS was founded in New York in 1881 to help resettle Jewish refugees, but in recent years has moved many of its efforts toward other refugees, including people from Africa, the Americas, and people who practice Islam. As HIAS’s president, Mark Hetfield, told the New York Times, “We used to welcome refugees because they were Jewish. Today HIAS welcomes refugees because we are Jewish.” 👍

Dark skin and “Muslim” are triggers for bigots like the cowardly terrorist and his buddies on social media. In another post, presumably referencing HIAS, he wrote, “Open you [sic] Eyes! It’s the filthy evil jews [sic] Bringing the Filthy evil Muslims into the Country!!”

HIAS used to have a link on its website to the 270 congregations in 32 states that were participating in the work to bring refugees into the United States (and elsewhere), although that link now just points back to their homepage (perhaps because the event is over, or maybe because of the terrorist’s threat).

Noting the terrorist’s pointing out that link to the congregations, which included Tree of Life in Pittsburgh, the Times of Israel reported, “To mark the organization’s personal involvement, at the back of the hall, information on volunteer opportunities in the refugee and immigration committees of participating synagogues and HIAS materials were available for attendees to take home, including a bookmark with the words ‘My People Were Refugees Too.’”

Apparently this festered with the terrorist, because just a few hours before he walked past those brochures and started murdering people at Tree of Life, he posted to a right-wing social media site, “HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

And in he went, guns blazing.

So, Trump and Gingrich and Fox are giving all-day, all-the-time coverage to a ragtag band of Central American refugees, mostly women and children, who are traveling together on foot for their own mutual safety, lying that there are Arab terrorists and evil gang members among them. This white American terrorist gets increasingly agitated by it all, freaked out that more people of color (or even Muslims!) might be coming to our border to legally apply to asylum, and decides it’s time to take out one of the groups associated with HIAS, who is helping refugees.

It’s a straight line—through Fox and right-wing hate radio—from Trump’s rhetoric about immigrants to the terrorist himself.

Certainly this terrorist had a history of hating Jews; he had repeatedly posted on one of his snowflake “safe places” for haters, “Kill all the Jews!” and “There is no MAGA as long as there is a kike infestation.”

But this wasn’t entirely an anti-Semitic attack, by the attacker’s own words.

A few days after another white terrorist (“history of mental illness,” said the media) with Trump and Fox graphics and slogans all over his van attempted the largest political assassination in U.S. history, we now have the single most lethal attack on Jews in this country’s history—in part because their synagogue supported helping immigrants coming into America.

And all of it being amped up, day after day, over and over again, by Trump.

This aspect of xenophobic immigrant-hating, along with the insanity of the U.S. allowing AR-15s and other weapons of war on our streets, must be discussed along with the horrors of anti-Semitism.

This is all one package brought to us by Trump, and it’s beginning to eerily resemble a previous insecure man with little hands, a single testicle, and a big mouth in the 1930s who warned his people about both immigrants and Jews.

We all know how well that turned out for Germany and the world.

This article was produced by the Independent Media Institute.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/thom-hartmann-trump-and-fox-news-have-blood-on-their-hands/
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2018, 11:14:05 pm
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/31/1808796/-Cartoon-Who-could-have-possibly-inspired-this-terrorism
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on November 01, 2018, 07:27:24 pm
Agelbert NOTE: Reposted from the Doomstead Diner

Peterson's grant wasn't denied because of political reasons;

Sorry, but I don't see any evidence that this is true. You don't even know the identities of the people who made the decision, unless you know them personally. It isn't public knowledge, to the best of my ability to investigate.

To assume that it  isn't political, just because "Julia Gualtieri — a spokesman for the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada "  said so, is extremely naive and makes me think you don't know too much about academic bureaucracies. I'd like to see your proof. I know you're busy right now.

You might notice, I'm just demanding proof. I think you're wrong, but I'm prepared to eat some crow if you're right. Let's get to the truth.

I think the burden is on you and AG anybody else who wants to make this case on Peterson.  You are making claims that I think are misplaced. I want some evidence. Good evidence. So far that is not forthcoming from either of you.


I don't know any of the involved personally.  These grants are generally paneled. The panelists rated them poorly.

Peterson, with an axe to grind, says it was "political." Of course he did.

And the great swarm of Peterson fanbois rush in to nod furiously in bobbleheaded enthusiasm. Bottom line: the U said it wasn't political, Peterson says it was. And then the nazis held a bake sale to fund him.

Another case of "he said, she said." As I recall last time we had one of these you came down hard for the accused.

I was hoping not to get sucked into this Peterson bullshit, and to have to do a careful vivisection of his body of work, because frankly, I have a life. And I prefer to not drink from sewers. But for some reason I ascribe to weakness, RE has given Ashvin the run of the place to add nothing, contribute nothing but to make a case for his new Messiah. I'll take that s h i t up with RE when he's up to it, and I'll deal with Peterson's oeuvre when I have more time. Which i don't now.

Peterson is a Youtube star with a distinct following amount the angy, young, white, and otherwise without agency crowd. Very big with the incels, so they tell me.

Whenever someone's critique starts with, "radical left," that is a tell and they have given the game away. There is no radical left in this country except from the viewpoiint of the far edge of the reactionary right. Thus does a vile insect like Ashvin class anyone as "ideologue" anyone who does not sup uncritically at the table of Petersonism.

Peterson asserts that postmodern philosophers and sociologists since the 1960s[ have insinuated core tenets of Marxism and communism into academe. which is what you say when things aren't going your way and you can't get what you want.He echoes Kunstler's bleats of "cultural Maoists," which so thrill the Ayn Rand company sucks still hiding in the corners around here, but which offend people able to observe the world as it is and think. He says academe was infected with an influence of postmodernism thought that migrated from France to the US via Jacques Derrida and others. We also know how the French f u c k up everything. Order up some freedom fries with your pitcher of Blue Ribbon.

As a YouTube star, he offers up plenty for his fanbois to chew on. Conservative views on religion, trans issues, and on feminism. From what I have seen, much of what he says is incoherent and ambiguous. So his acolytes dismiss any criticism as mere misrepresentations of his views. See, if you don't agree, then clearly you don't understand. Or are an unmitigated ideologue.

The same f u c k i n g technique of manipulation we've seen in evidence here. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Surly, you will recall the PM discourse I had with you some months back. You will recall my feelings about the base vulgarity of the discourse here on threads I was not even posting on, that had nothing to do with me or my POV.

I came back here now because I knew the Right Wing Propagandists were going to make a push here to help the Republican FASCISTS stay in power so that the full Fascist Trump "Paradise" can be ushered in. I came just to counter them as best I could. I knew it would get hot and heavy very quickly. These fuckers are hell bent (AND hellbound too!) to destroy this country long before Climate Change does. THAT has a LOT to do with why you see them so angry and so much in an arrogant huff about one of their pet High IQ "credentialed" Apologists.

They get the fact that Social Security and Medicare ELIMINATION, a stated Republican goal, is something they have to counter with lots of LIES and arm waving, doing everything they can to discredit anyone who has the temerity to call BULLSHIT on their claims that Trump et al and bought and paid **** like Jordan Peterson aren't part of that empathy deficit disordered EVIL. They are all full of mendacious, puke inspired malice and aforethought S H I T. They cannot do anything but wallow in, defend and celebrate, their Right Wing Authoritarian, money loving, money chasing modus vivendi, no matter how damaging to the country AND/OR to the environment. They do not have the remotest idea of what logic and comon sense is. They cannot see beyond their bank accounts. These people are wells without water. They cannot be reasoned with.

So, I will now take Gillum's advice when Trumo called him a liar. 

Gillum posted: “I heard @realDonaldTrump ran home to @FoxNews to lie about me. But as my grandmother told me—never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it.”


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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on November 11, 2018, 03:58:43 pm
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Bertram Gross (1912-1997) in "Friendly Fascism: The New Face of American Power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertram_Myron_Gross) warned us that fascism always has two looks.

One is paternal, benevolent, entertaining and kind.

The other is embodied in the executioner’s sadistic leer. Janus-like, fascism seeks to present itself to a captive public as a force for good and moral renewal. It promises protection against enemies real and invented.

But denounce its ideology, challenge its power, demand freedom from fascism’s iron grip, and you are mercilessly crushed. Gross knew that if the United States’ form of fascism, expressed through corporate tyranny, was able to effectively mask its true intentions behind its “friendly” face we would be stripped of power, shorn of our most cherished rights and impoverished. He has been proved correct. --- Chris Hedges

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on December 10, 2018, 07:27:35 pm
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DEC 10, 2018 OPINION | TD ORIGINALS

The Heresy of White Christianity

By Chris Hedges

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There are, as Cornel West has pointed out, only two African-Americans who rose from dirt-poor poverty to the highest levels of American intellectual life—the writer Richard Wright and the radical theologian James H. Cone.

Cone, who died in April, grew up in segregated Bearden, Ark., the impoverished son of a woodcutter who had only a sixth-grade education. With an almost superhuman will, Cone clawed his way up from the Arkansas cotton fields to implode theological studies in the United States with his withering critique of the white supremacy and racism inherent within the white, liberal Christian church. His brilliance—he was a Greek scholar and wrote his doctoral dissertation on the Swiss theologian Karl Barth—enabled him to “turn the white man’s theology against him and make it speak for the liberation of black people.” God’s revelation in America, he understood, “was found among poor black people.” Privileged white Christianity and its theology were “heresy.” He was, until the end of his life, possessed by what the theologian Reinhold Niebuhr called “sublime madness.” His insights, he writes, “came to me as if revealed by the spirits of my ancestors long dead but now coming alive to haunt and torment the descendants of the whites who had killed them.”

“When it became clear to me that Jesus was not biologically white and that white scholars actually lied by not telling people who he really was, I stopped trusting anything they said,” he writes in his posthumous memoir, “Said I Wasn’t Gonna Tell Nobody: The Making of a Black Theologian,” published in October.

“White supremacy is America’s original sin and liberation is the Bible’s central message,” he writes in his book. “Any theology in America that fails to engage white supremacy and God’s liberation of black people from that evil is not Christian theology but a theology of the Antichrist.”

White supremacy “is the Antichrist in America because it has killed and crippled tens of millions of black bodies and minds in the modern world,” he writes. “It has also committed genocide against the indigenous people of this land. If that isn’t demonic, I don’t know what is … [and]i it is found in every aspect of American life, especially churches, seminaries, and theology.”


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Specter of Fascism: Cohen Says Trump Won’t Leave Peacefully in 2020

February 27, 2019

Hearings reveal deepening systemic corruption, further degeneration of GOP, progressive members standout in questioning – Jacqueline Luqman, Henry Giroux and Carmen Russell-Sluchansky join Paul Jay

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PAUL JAY: Welcome to The Real News Network. I’m Paul Jay.

Well, Michael Cohen finally made his long-awaited appearance before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. And while there’s a ton to dig into in terms of his accusations against Donald Trump, who–I guess everyone has heard by now–he said he is a racist, a conman, and a cheat. But perhaps the most explosive thing that Cohen said came at the very end, when he said about a man, Trump, that he’s worked with for over 10 years, in a statement that was vetted by his lawyers, he said–at some point he was asked about that. He says that if Donald Trump loses the election in 2020–Well, here’s what he said.

MICHAEL COHEN: Given my experience working for Mr. Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020 that there will not be a peaceful transition of power.

PAUL JAY: That’s essentially saying that if he loses the election there will be a coup. There will be another declaration of national emergency. I’ve been saying on The Real News for quite some time that I’m very concerned with the agenda of this administration to go after Iran, especially in the midst of all this domestic chaos; of the possibilities of some kind of staged attack on the United States in some way or another to help justify some kind of aggression against Iran. He’s surrounded by John Bolton and Pompeo and people like that who don’t seem to believe that, certainly, international law matters. And one wonders whether they think American law matters.

So we’re going to start with that statement that Trump may not give up power if he loses the election. And then we’re going to dig into more of what was said during the hearings. So now joining us to discuss Cohen’s testimony and such, first of all, is Dr. Henry Giroux. Henry teaches at the McMaster University, where he’s the Chair of Scholarship and Public Interest in the Department of English and Cultural Studies. Also joining us is Jacqueline Luqman. She’s the editor-in-chief of Luqman Nation, and often hosts on The Real News Network. And Carmen Russell-Sluchansky. He’s a journalist based in Washington, D.C., who’s appeared–his work has appeared on NBC, PBS, ABC, BBC, and such. Thanks for joining us.

HENRY GIROUX: It’s a pleasure.

CARMEN RUSSELL-SLUCHANSKY: Thanks for having me.

PAUL JAY: So, Jacqueline, let me start with you. When you heard those words, what goes through your mind?

JACQUELINE LUQMAN: Actually, that’s not the first time I’ve heard that, in regard to this administration. I can’t remember who else said something like that. I can’t remember if it was Trump tweeted something like that, or a member of his cabinet, probably his son-in-law, who said something like that, that Trump supporters would not go away peacefully if Trump did not win the next election. And when you look at the kind of people who are aligned with Trump, who he’s aligned himself with, like you said, Paul, John Bolton and Mike Pompeo; Elliott Abrams and Steve Bannon. People think Steve Bannon went away, and he’s not involved in the administration anymore just because he’s not in the White House. That’s–that couldn’t be farther from the truth. It’s not a surprise and it’s not shocking that this is a possibility. And I actually think it’s a reality. And these are not peaceful people. They didn’t rise to the White House using peaceful and fair tactics. And I don’t put it past them that they would resort to actual violence to keep it.

PAUL JAY: So, Henry, what do you think? What has Cohen got in mind? As I say, this is a guy who knows Trump for years, and his lawyers vetted the statements.

HENRY GIROUX: I think that what we’re hearing here and what we need to be concerned with is the fact that Trump is, in a sense, working right out of the playbook of a kind of updated fascist politics. I mean, his language is about the language of brutality, it’s the language of violence, language of fear. And he’s been doing this for a long time. Even before the election, I mean, there was some talk on the part of Trump and others about how he wasn’t sure what exactly was going to happen if she actually won the election. So I think that if you understand that comment as a way of both baiting his base, and at the same time making it clear that this is a guy who really trades in the notion of lawlessness and the notion of violence. And it’s very serious, and I think you need to take it seriously.

PAUL JAY: Carmen?

CARMEN RUSSELL-SLUCHANSKY: Yeah, I’ll follow up on what both of them said. I mean, we’ve been hearing these concerns since the election in 2016. I mean, maybe you remember, like, a lot of people were very concerned about what would happen if Hillary Clinton had, you know, if he had won the popular vote and Hillary Clinton had won the Electoral College. It ended up being different. But you know, people were really concerned. But then we found out that, first of all, Donald Trump didn’t expect to win the election, probably, or maybe, and that he was planning on starting this thing called Trump TV. Would he himself be out there starting a revolution? Probably not. I think he’s too lazy for that. But he would certainly be riling up supporters to think that 2020 was stolen, just as he did in 2016. And that’s–I mean, I think all the evidence points to that, for sure.

PAUL JAY: I mean, one of the things that Cohen said today is that Trump never expected to win. This was all a marketing ploy to build up the Trump brand. As he started get moving–once he wins the nomination, takes on Pence, which gives him a deal with the Koch brothers, who in the beginning wanted nothing to do with him. But Pence is a Koch brother guy, and now he’s got Pompeo, which is a completely Koch brother creation. But once he becomes president, he becomes a vehicle for so many different political forces. Evangelicals see him as a vessel. The neocons now see him as a vessel. And everything feeds into his megalomania. And so it is a convergence of this guy’s personal, as I say, megalomania, and some much more sophisticated political interests, in the context of a very degenerating, overall, political system, so that–you know, this corruption of Trump is just a tip of the iceberg of pervasive systemic corruption throughout the whole system. Henry.

HENRY GIROUX: Oh, absolutely. I mean, I think that comment is right on target. I mean, I think that–you know, some of the stuff that we’re hearing today is not uninteresting, but as a number of people have pointed out, as I think Carmen pointed out, I mean, this is well known. So I think the real question here is how do you understand this corruption as something that’s so endemic to the politics that we find in the United States, that Trump is simply symbolic of it? And while Trump’s corruption is unadulterated and unapologetic, at the same time you really have to look at the larger systemic issues at work here. The convergence of money and politics, a neocapitalist system that absolutely, in a way, commodifies everything the only value that matters are exchange values, the notion that social responsibility is a burden rather than something that actually is endemic to a democracy.

The fact that this guy endlessly–if you really want to talk about corruption, I mean, this guy is basically endangering the planet. He’s changing the lives of young people with the rollbacks that he’s done with respect to environmental rules, with worker protection rules. That’s where the corruption really lies. I mean, let’s talk about the toll that’s taking place in terms of both democracy and the toll it’s taking place in terms of the planet; the toll that’s taking place in terms of human life. That’s real corruption, because it’s death-dealing.

PAUL JAY: Jacqueline?

JACQUELINE LUQMAN: I cannot disagree with anything that was said. I remember during the campaign, at one of Trump’s rallies where he’s speaking in front of a group of people, and there’s some protesters there, most of whom were black people. And he said to the crowd “You know, back in the day we would have them taken out on a stretcher.” People were shocked that the crowd actually cheered. But a lot of us were not, because we understood that Trump is really good at tapping into the most base instincts of the worst kind of people. He knows how to read it all, and he knows how to say what they want to hear to get him riled up. And he is the kind of person who wasn’t politically savvy, like you all said, wasn’t expected to win. Didn’t even expect to win himself. But he was the perfect front man to provide the popular frenzy, to whip up this popular frenzy among the group of people that this very sophisticated cabal needed to produce the outcome we’re seeing right now.

So this is a much bigger issue than Trump being corrupt, or mean, or racist. Those are bad things, but this is about a larger system that he’s just the front man of that’s been brewing for a long time.

PAUL JAY: And I think it’s something specific about the overtness of the Republican Party and Trump, and the GOP has really degenerated. Any voices–certainly in the Republican primary there were many who were very critical of Trump, but the elected, both in the House and the Senate, Republican Party has actually realized that this overt, naked, reactionary, fascistic message works for enough people to get elected. And without reservation, now. And we saw this in the Kavanaugh hearings. When Kavanaugh was was being grilled I came away saying “Wow, this guy’s toast.” And then I look at the polling the next day, and the Republicans actually did very well in the polling. People thought they were being insulting to Kavanaugh. And now they’re doing the same thing. They’ve learnt that the character assassination of Cohen, regardless of anything else that’s said, will play with enough people here. Here’s a sample of that character assassination of Cohen.

JIM JORDAN: Here’s the point. The Chairman just gave you a 30 minute opening statement, and you have a history of lying over, and over, and over again. And frankly, don’t take my word for it. Take what the court said. Take what the Southern District of New York said. Cohen did crimes that were marked by a pattern of deception and that permeated his professional life. These crimes were distinct in their harms, but bear a common set of circumstances. They involved deception and were each–each–motivated by personal greed and ambition. A pattern of deception for personal greed and ambition. And you just got 30 minutes of an opening statement where you trash the President of the United States of America. Mr. Cohen, how long did–how long did you work for Donald Trump?

MICHAEL COHEN: Approximately a decade.

JIM JORDAN: Ten years?

MICHAEL COHEN: That’s correct.

JIM JORDAN: And you said all these bad things about the President there in that last 30 minutes. And yet you worked for him for 10 years.

So, Carmen, it’s an interesting thing. On the one hand, if the guy is so horrible, Cohen, why wouldn’t he have worked for the guy for 10 years? I mean, you can’t be horrible–and the other. But but the main implication throughout this testimony is that Cohen wants a book deal, he wants a movie deal, and he wants a lighter sentence, so he’ll say anything. What did you think of that? Is there truth to that?

CARMEN RUSSELL-SLUCHANSKY: Reasoning coming from Republicans, many of whom who, you know, disavowed Trump early on, but then figured out, like you were talking about, it’s like he’s their guy because they’re getting what they wanted. They can, you know, grab–you know, it’s a smash and grab job while he’s there. So they’re enjoying it while it lasts. I mean, to think that’s like–well, why are you working with Trump when he’s such a bad guy, when they’re doing the same thing. I mean, the names that they’ve called him. So I mean, that’s hypocritical to begin with.

But secondly, I mean, this is a guy, like–they talked about how, they’re asking him, it was like, “Well, you lied to Congress before. Why can we trust you now?” It’s because he lied to Congress, was caught, was indicted, and now has investigators watching everything he says. We can actually feel pretty confident that he’s not lying now. You know, he doesn’t want–I mean, there could be a new indictment for lying to Congress again. It would definitely lose any possibility of reducing his sentence, and that kind of thing. So I mean, I think we can take it–we can take a lot of what he said today at face value, for sure.

PAUL JAY: Yeah, I thought there was an interesting point, this is Clip 5, where he says to the Republicans, you know, you’re accusing me of having protected him, and now I’m not. And and here’s, here’s what Cohen says to them.

MICHAEL COHEN: It’s that sort of behavior that I’m responsible for. I’m responsible for your silliness, because I did the same thing that you’re doing now for 10 years. I protected Mr. Trump for 10 years.

PAUL JAY: I thought that was a rather poignant moment, because that is what almost the entire, or at least elected representatives of the Republican Party are doing. They know very well that Cohen’s accusations on the whole are true. The fraud with the Deutsche Bank where he falsifies his bank records. They know that they probably have–I was watching Fox, and the judge whose last name I always screw up–Napolitano. To the chagrin of the Fox host, Napolitano says they may have Trump on two critical issues: the campaign finance violations where the payment to Stormy Daniels is made under clearly Trump’s direction, because even Giuliani has acknowledged that this was done; and two, the bank fraud, lying about his financial statements to Deutsche Bank. And these are both being investigated by the prosecutor’s office in the Southern District of New York, which cannot be stopped even if the Mueller investigation is closed down or doesn’t go public. And there are some rumors today that they may not even release the Muller investigation.

So the Republicans know that this stuff is there. And I was a little surprised, I guess, that only one Republican of the whole place, I think a guy from Michigan, tried to distance himself a little bit from all of this scandal. The others are just all in that you have to defend Trump at all costs, or you’ll lose–or Trump’s machine will primary you. And you’ll lose your position. Henry.

HENRY GIROUX: The other side of this is that the kind of criticisms that are being made of Cohen, about his character and whether he’s lying, I mean, if you look at this within the larger context, this is the same argument that Trump uses. And that is that loyalty becomes code for absolutely covering up the most corrupt political economic and social practices that exist. It’s sort of like being in the mafia. You know, I mean, what’s the crime here? The crime here, that he’s worked for somebody, and actually now has begun to tell the truth about what happened, and they’re claiming that somehow because he worked for him he should have been loyal and he couldn’t possibly tell the truth.

I mean I think the other side of this, again, is this is something that needs to be addressed, and that is the degree to which there is a certain element of which the political collapses into the personal. You know, we don’t talk about larger systemic issues, we talk about character. I mean, we don’t talk about whether or not Trump is actually corrupt. We talk about whether or not Cohen’s character is somehow at risk because he worked for this guy for so long. I mean, it’s a politics of deflection, and it’s a politics that, in a sense, so narrows the purview of what’s being said that it becomes impossible to separate the personal from the political; that being that there are larger issues at work of which Cohen, in some way, is being quite truthful, because I think, as Carmen just said, he has nothing to lose.

PAUL JAY: Yeah. I mean, I thought the Republican grilling of Cohen was so contradictory because part of what emerges is yes, Cohen’s a very corrupt character. And his use, “I made mistakes.” Mistakes. These aren’t mistakes. This is sinking into the depths of corruption. But that’s why Trump hired him, because he had a guy who was so willing to sink in the depths of corruption.

HENRY GIROUX: But unlike the Republicans–I mean, this is a party which is so extremist–I mean, it’s been turned over to extremists. I mean, when you talk about the Republicans, you know, you couldn’t believe that they’re putting up with this. These are Vichy Republicans. I mean, this is the most extremist Republican Party we have seen since the Civil War.

PAUL JAY: And for younger people, what you mean by Vichy Republicans, you’re talking about the sections of the French elites that went along and became, essentially, collaborators with the Nazis.

HENRY GIROUX: Absolutely.

PAUL JAY: You’re saying these are people–essentially they realize this is a fascisization, and they’re signing on.

I thought there was an interesting moment, a few moments, where some of these new progressive members of the House–and one of them isn’t that new, but he’s relatively new–I thought did a much better job than most of the other Democrats did, being quite specific. Here’s Ro Khanna, which is probably the strongest framing of the one of the criminal acts that Trump can be charged with. So here’s that.

RO KHANNA: I just want the American public to understand the explosive nature of your testimony in this document. Are you telling us, Mr. Cohen, that the President directed transactions in conspiracy with Allen Weisselberg, and his son Donald Trump Jr, as part of a criminal–part of a criminal conspiracy of financial fraud. Is that your testimony today?

MICHAEL COHEN: Yes.

PAUL JAY: So I mean, on the face of it this stuff is kind of obvious. And the degeneration of American politics is such that you’re going to have a he said-she said balancing act in most of the corporate media. And you know, it’s kind of not going to matter, in many ways. We’ll see as this process develops how much deeper. But, Jacqueline, do facts still matter in this discourse?

JACQUELINE LUQMAN: Yes, facts do matter. But I think I need to to make it clear that there is an issue with–maybe I don’t want to call it his character, Cohen’s character, because almost everyone in that chamber, with the exception of the newer members–who I guess haven’t had time to be corrupt yet, and we hope they never get there–most of the people in that chamber are corrupt. So it is hypocritical for especially these Republicans who are giving cover to this to this particular president calling out the character of Cohen, who is a liar. OK, he is.

But my issue with Cohen is that he is part of the reason we even have Trump as president. Because all of this that he knew, he didn’t say anything about it before the election. He was only compelled to talk about it when the investigation started. So I mean, there is some validity to asking him, well, gee, you’re coming out saying this stuff now. Why should we trust you? But because we already knew a lot of what Cohen said actually happened–we already knew about Stormy Daniels. We already knew, we actually knew that WikiLeaks was releasing the cache of emails every week or so because WikiLeaks actually announced on Twitter that they were doing it. Nobody called Assange, and he didn’t tell anybody “Hey, I’m releasing some emails.” They actually tweeted “We’re releasing a cache of emails next week. Wait for it.”

PAUL JAY: But it might establish a direct connection between Stone and Assange if the story is true.

JACQUELINE LUQMAN: And see, that’s the thing. I don’t believe the story is true. Because if you’re in the Ecuadorian Embassy, and you’re under all of this scrutiny, how are all of the intelligence agencies not recording your phone calls? I just–my jury is still way out [crosstalk].

PAUL JAY: One assumes they are.

JACQUELINE LUQMAN: And I’m sorry, I need proof of that. And you can’t just come into a congressional hearing and say “So-and-so picked up a phone and called so-and-so, and that’s my proof.”

PAUL JAY: Right. Well, let me get back to Henry’s point-

JACQUELINE LUQMAN: I don’t think that’s good enough for court. That’s not good enough for me.

PAUL JAY: OK. Let me–just to pick up on something you just said, Jacqueline and Henry. It can’t be underestimated that this is all in the context of a generalized legal corruption which is called the way campaign financing takes place. I mean, you can have gobs of money thrown at candidates. They can write legislation that’s directly in your favor, and you’ll get more campaign contributions. And it’s not called corruption, because it’s called legal. Because the same people that make the laws are getting the money. Carmen, go ahead.

CARMEN RUSSELL-SLUCHANSKY: Yeah, because I want to respond to that. I mean–because you’re absolutely right. You know, campaign finance is often very corrupt. But even then, it can be legal and still corrupt on the face of it when most people would look at it. So it’s amazing to me that we’re still in this hearing and we’re still seeing that it’s possible that they did something illegal. Which is almost hard to do, I think. Because like you said, you know, you can legally give lots of money; you know, super PACs, PACs. There’s so many ways of getting around this fury of campaign finance law that it almost doesn’t matter anymore. And yet, still, still it seems like he’s, you know, Michael Cohen is providing evidence of illegality, of an illegal action, which was, of course, the checks to Stephanie Clifford; you know, aka Stormy Daniels.

If I could also just throw one more thing out there, I want to push back on Jacqueline just a little bit, because I did work on the hill. There are a lot of great–you know, there are a lot of great legislators there. You do have to wonder how so many of them become rich while they’re in office. You know, I did know a number of good progressives who had been there for a long time. And I do–I mean, I’m really heartened, like you said, by these new progresives. Because, you know, it would have been–usually the OGR, the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform that this hearing was held in, is, you know, for a lot of grandstanding. But you know, you watch, like, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez’s, you know, I mean, real interrogation, she was going for facts.

PAUL JAY: Let’s take a look at that.

ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: According to an August 24–August 21, 2016 report by the Washington Post, while the President claimed in financial disclosure forms that Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida was worth more than $50 million, he had reported otherwise to local tax authorities that the course was worth “No more than $5 million.” Mr. Cohen, do you know whether this specific report is accurate?

MICHAEL COHEN: It’s identical to what he did at Trump National Golf Club at Briarcliff Manor.

ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: To your knowledge, was the President interested in reducing his local real estate bills? Tax bills?

MICHAEL COHEN: Yes.

ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: And how did he do that?

MICHAEL COHEN: What you do is you deflate the value of the asset, and then you put in a request to the tax department for a deduction.

ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: Thank you.

PAUL JAY: A couple of points, here. One thing was missing today, which was anything that proved, one, any kind of collaboration between Trump and Russia in terms of the interference in the elections. There was absolutely nothing added to that picture whatsoever. In fact, he, you know, it suggests that there wasn’t anything. There was no evidence of who actually hacked WikiLeaks here. It continues just to be assumed it was Russia because American intelligence agencies says it was. But I don’t think, at least in terms of what we know in the public domain information that we actually know that yet. But set that aside. Wasserman-Schultz, who desperately tried to get Cohen to implicate Trump in a collaboration with the Russians, because she’s the one that was exposed as undermining the Bernie Sanders campaign when the WikiLeaks–when the DNC hacking takes place, or whistleblowing, whichever, then gets released. So I thought that was important.

And we’re kind of running out of time here, so just to end with a big picture question, or I’m going to make a comment and ask you guys to respond. You know, it’s not enough just to look at campaign financing. It’s not enough to look at corruption at the level of politicians. The big picture is the state of the militarization of the U.S. economy, and the state of the financialization of the U.S. economy. And between Wall Street and the military industrial–and many people add congressional–complex, the level and depth of systemic corruption. I mean, how many big bankers go to jail after outright fraud in the ’07-’08 crash? Is it any surprise that it’s, first of all, somebody from New York who ends up being–you know, Trump ends up being president, given the corruption surrounding finance in New York? But it’s the whole economic basis of that corruption that we need to talk more about. And you’ll sure never hear that on corporate media.

So one by one, you guys can add to your kind of final statements here. Henry, you go first.

HENRY GIROUX: Let me say something. Look, you have an economic crisis in the United States marked by massive inequality, the corruption of politics with big money, and so forth and so on. But I’m going to disagree with you on one thing, and that is the economic crisis has not been matched by a crisis of ideas. And one of the reasons is we never talk about the formative cultures that are necessary in a democracy to create, form citizens who can address these issues. Because you not only have an economic crisis, you have a crisis of civic culture. You have a crisis of civic literacy.You have a crisis of civic justice.

So it seems to me we have to ask ourselves, you know, what happens when all of a sudden the culture collapses because all the public spheres that matter are under siege? Where they’re being privatized, where they’re being contracted out, or whether they’re simply being destroyed? What happens when you have a press that’s called the enemy of the American people? What happens when the journalists get killed, and all of a sudden you have a president of the United States supporting a dictator who actually is responsible for the crime?

So we have to really include something about a larger cultural issue here that speaks, it seems to me, very importantly to the fact that politics follows culture. If people don’t have a collective understanding of what’s going on, then they can’t really address the problem to change it. That needs to be addressed. This is not just simply an economic issue. It’s also an educational one.

PAUL JAY: I’m not sure we disagree on that, because part of this is the destruction of the public school system. And you can’t get such a large section of the American people falling for such obvious BS if you have–without such a terrible level of education and understanding. I mean, it’s no accident that Trump is strongest in rural America, where honestly, education is at its worst. Carmen, final comment from you.

CARMEN RUSSELL-SLUCHANSKY: Yeah, I mean, I like what you said, actually, about the financialization, particularly. Because I mean, honestly, I think if people saw bankers go to jail under Obama for the ’07-’08 crash, we don’t have Trump, because they don’t feel so desperate. But when you see who he brought in, and the fact that–like Lawrence Summers, and even Eric Holder–I mean, Eric Holder’s great in so many ways. But you know, he came from New York, and he went back to a Wall Street firm, and is making I think $2.5 million, or something like that. And you know, nobody went to jail. I mean, you have to, have to wonder, like, how–well, you don’t have to wonder. People see this. And so they throw a Hail Mary. And that’s partially how we end up where we’re at.

PAUL JAY: And if you don’t see Bush and Cheney go to jail for launching an illegal war that kills a million people–like, if you can do that and not be accountable, what can’t you get away for? Get away with, sorry. Jacqueline, final word.

JACQUELINE LUQMAN: Yeah. And I have to add Elliott Abrams. If he doesn’t go to–if he not only doesn’t go to prison, but he also gets another job in another administration, what else are people supposed to think, like Dr. Giroux said, in a country where politics follows culture, and our culture is so bereft of actual real, clear understanding of justice and equality?

But I think one of the things that was most important that was done at the second part of the hearing that the new progressives did was to point out, especially Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s questions, was to point out how the wealthy elite get away with [hoarding] their finances. How they do it. The devaluation of their vast real estate stores. How they lie on their taxes. And then how they also weaponize different aspects of culture, which is I think something that Rashida Tlaib did when she pointed out the issue with the HUD executive being–honestly, she was used as a prop. But they exposed the tactics that the elites use to continue to perpetuate the system of corruption and gross inequality in this country. And I think they won the day in this hearing more than anybody else.

PAUL JAY: Yeah, I think it’s a very good, important note to end on. This movement to elect new progressives, and to have people like these four progressives that spoke on the committee to actually be on that committee, it’s a reflection of the strength of a growing movement that can’t be ignored. And so this isn’t all just a dark and horrible picture. There is, perhaps, especially in the leadup to 2020 election, there is a movement here that may make a kind of breakthrough that this system wasn’t built to deal with.

Anyway, thank you very much. And well I’m sure we’ll pick this conversation up again. Thanks for joining us. And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on March 01, 2019, 12:42:48 pm
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Specter of Fascism: Cohen Says Trump Won’t Leave Peacefully in 2020

Oh, he'll fuc king leave, one way or another. If there is a preponderance of evidence, he'll negotiate a soft landing. The will make leaving irresistable, and he will be too greedy to resist. If not, history provides guidance:

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CARMEN RUSSELL-SLUCHANSKY: Yeah, I mean, I like what you said, actually, about the financialization, particularly. Because I mean, honestly, I think if people saw bankers go to jail under Obama for the ’07-’08 crash, we don’t have Trump, because they don’t feel so desperate. But when you see who he brought in, and the fact that–like Lawrence Summers, and even Eric Holder–I mean, Eric Holder’s great in so many ways. But you know, he came from New York, and he went back to a Wall Street firm, and is making I think $2.5 million, or something like that. And you know, nobody went to jail. I mean, you have to, have to wonder, like, how–well, you don’t have to wonder. People see this. And so they throw a Hail Mary. And that’s partially how we end up where we’re at.

PAUL JAY: And if you don’t see Bush and Cheney go to jail for launching an illegal war that kills a million people–like, if you can do that and not be accountable, what can’t you get away for? Get away with, sorry. Jacqueline, final word.

JACQUELINE LUQMAN: Yeah. And I have to add Elliott Abrams. If he doesn’t go to–if he not only doesn’t go to prison, but he also gets another job in another administration, what else are people supposed to think, like Dr. Giroux said, in a country where politics follows culture, and our culture is so bereft of actual real, clear understanding of justice and equality?


This is yet another reference that I have read to the phenomenon that pins the rise of Trump to Obama's failure to bring the banksters to justice, one of the most significant failures of his presidency. It makes sense; the sense of a two-tiered system of money and justice, driven home hard, leading to the sense of, "I'm going to voite to bring the whole goddam thing down."

As you know, I really enjoy things like this, but for the many truths in there, it's a lot of pipe dreams and happy talk until the Ds put together a campaign, a candidate and a strategy and put together the volunteers for the miserable, thankless slog known as the ground game. Because 2020 the Ds will be up against not only the Rs but their major donors, the banksters, the extractive industries, and the Russians. I assume nothing.

Just my two cents.


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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on March 01, 2019, 02:03:20 pm
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I read this the other day (a comment on ZH, of all places!). It basically explains why the thinking of the average CAPITALIST (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013201314.png&hash=0715eb72631014310634eb56176ff860c6d542f6) in the USA, though oh, so very "reasonable", is our doom.

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He starts with the assumption that we're worthless and unworthy and he's right. He also hates the fact that in spite of this we've been placed in a position superior to him.

So it's entirely reasonable that he hates us.

Everything he does is reasonable.

Reasonable people might even come to the conclusion that killing a vast majority of the earths population is good for them.

That's a reasonable assumption.

Reason is not going to free you; it will enslave you.

Mostly because there has to be a higher purpose to life, because if there is not, then your reason is different from another person's reason and the only reconciliation likely to occur is one of you going away.

That's entirely reasonable.

Live and let live is a strategy which fails right when it's needed most.

It's not reasonable to refuse to fight, it's more reasonable to simply scheme and plot and destroy your enemy from behind the scenes it's less dangerous that way.

This, as absurd as it sounds, perfectly describes our world today. Reason was there through the entire thing.

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It is reasonable, when your unethical=CAPITALIST GOAL is Profit Over People and Planet, to pretend that ethical behavior is for the "weak willed".

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on March 01, 2019, 02:07:20 pm
Eddie said:

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In a close election we know the Republicans, with their strong positions at the state level in places like Florida (and Texas and many other states) have the means to steal an election. It's not like it'd even be the first time. Trump would be guaranteed to do every possible dirty trick to stay in the White House. That's a given.

The election needs to be a clear win for any Democrat.....unfortunately, it's shaping up to be the other thing. If the fascists do take over, there will be plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats are their own worst enemies.

Exactly how many white people will vote for a candidate who believes in reparations for 4th and 5th generation descendants of former slaves and native Americans? Besides you and AG, I mean?

Answer....not nearly enough to elect any socialist clown who has the bad judgment to keep talking that crap.

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Well, aside from the Eddie required ad hom towards anybody with the temerity call themselves "socialist" (i.e. "clown"), which you always seem so very inclined to engage in over, and over and over again (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818185036-1638694.gif&hash=648d3b7e5567fa4f349a5fbfbfc1df8b27355704), sprinkled with the the most extreme hyperbole you can think of (i.e. demonize said "socialist" as the banner carrier for reparations no red blooded WHITE AMERICAN would stand for - never mind the Courts and Congress and so on), does that mean you won't vote for Senator Sanders of Vermont?

You did say you would vote for him. 👍 ;D I'm counting on you to get your CAPITALIST ass to the voting booth in 2020 and vote for that Democratic Socialist (if he is the Dumocraric Party Candidate, of course. Otherwise, please stay home  :laugh:).

I don't know his stand on reparations and frankly I do not give a damn. The (mostly  WHITE (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F2%2F3-190119153601.gif&hash=336ba78f7f18ff5829ef3722f89b4258d2315284) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818185038-16442135.gif&hash=52927992b43007fa5c5eb6ffcb453ae29948c356)) people of this country give a damn about stopping, AND REVERSING, the rampant CAPITALIST TRASHING of the economy and the environment on behalf of everybody that is in the top 10 percent or so. The vast majority of the blacks and browns like me have the same excellent attitude (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418195803.png&hash=2ff05bac59ce8d16643fd4159b563943ac729a6f)  8). 

I think (and up until today, I thought that you did too) that Sanders has the credibility and gravitas to do the right SOCIALIST thing as President of the United States. That's what you said and I agree.
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on March 01, 2019, 08:38:43 pm
Eddie said:

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In a close election we know the Republicans, with their strong positions at the state level in places like Florida (and Texas and many other states) have the means to steal an election. It's not like it'd even be the first time. Trump would be guaranteed to do every possible dirty trick to stay in the White House. That's a given.

The election needs to be a clear win for any Democrat.....unfortunately, it's shaping up to be the other thing. If the fascists do take over, there will be plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats are their own worst enemies.

Exactly how many white people will vote for a candidate who believes in reparations for 4th and 5th generation descendants of former slaves and native Americans? Besides you and AG, I mean?

Answer....not nearly enough to elect any socialist clown who has the bad judgment to keep talking that crap.

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Well, aside from the Eddie required ad hom towards anybody with the temerity call themselves "socialist" (i.e. "clown"), which you always seem so very inclined to engage in over, and over and over again (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818185036-1638694.gif&hash=648d3b7e5567fa4f349a5fbfbfc1df8b27355704), sprinkled with the the most extreme hyperbole you can think of (i.e. demonize said "socialist" as the banner carrier for reparations no red blooded WHITE AMERICAN would stand for - never mind the Courts and Congress and so on), does that mean you won't vote for Senator Sanders of Vermont?

You did say you would vote for him. 👍 ;D I'm counting on you to get your CAPITALIST ass to the voting booth in 2020 and vote for that Democratic Socialist (if he is the Dumocraric Party Candidate, of course. Otherwise, please stay home  :laugh:).

I don't know his stand on reparations and frankly I do not give a damn. The (mostly  WHITE (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F2%2F3-190119153601.gif&hash=336ba78f7f18ff5829ef3722f89b4258d2315284) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818185038-16442135.gif&hash=52927992b43007fa5c5eb6ffcb453ae29948c356)) people of this country give a damn about stopping, AND REVERSING, the rampant CAPITALIST TRASHING of the economy and the environment on behalf of everybody that is in the top 10 percent or so. The vast majority of the blacks and browns like me have the same excellent attitude (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418195803.png&hash=2ff05bac59ce8d16643fd4159b563943ac729a6f)  8). 

I think (and up until today, I thought that you did too) that Sanders has the credibility and gravitas to do the right SOCIALIST thing as President of the United States. That's what you said and I agree.


I don't have much of a problem with Bernie. I didn't say any thing ad hom either. Bernie is a decent man, I believe,one of principle, which is very rare inany politician of any party.

However, I don't think I could vote for Bernie if he endorsed reparations, as AOC and Kamala Harris and even Elizabeth Warren (I believe, if I'm not mistaken) have now brought in to the discussion of what should be the Democratic Party planks. Bernie did cave fast when the SJW's came after him for not letting women run his 2016 campaign. He has the problem now of not being left enough, compared to the SJW's in his own movement.

The reparations idea is a clear ploy to (a) make the SJW's happy and (b) get out the black vote. I do expect most blacks would vote for anybody who promised them free money. That's why it's a deal breaker for me. It's just pandering. More populism.

To me, a left leaning candidate who promises to give any ethnic group something for nothing is just playing at being a Hugo Chavez. The poor Indios in Venezuela who went for his free sh it pitch just got the shaft. You want to know where Venezuela went off the rails? In 1976, when they nationalized the oil.  It's been downhill ever since.

The super-rich corporate cronies in the Republican party who run this country are indeed a vile lot. But to assume the new people trying to assume leadership on the left are going to somehow make things better is probably just a pipe dream. We need to beat our nukes into plowhares, but we're just building more nukes and zillion buck airplanes and who knows what else. Using borrowed money that is demonstrably unpayable debt.

My whole point in commenting at all was just to say that the average dumbass American (of which there are too many) will run straight to Trump when they hear about the promises these stupid females are coming up with, and whatever chance we might have of electing any non-fascist will be almost zero.

If only the left could let go of all the SJW mania and all the promises to the blacks, browns, gays and gender-conflicted snowflakes, and just come up with a REASONABLE platform with one or two good promises (like universal healthcare) and not split apart over silly sh it, then maybe I could quit reading about whatever  new atrocity Trump is giving us every day.

But please ignore my real point, ad hom racist that I am. How could I possible know anything?

 H. L Mencken and Ambrose Bierce saw this coming a hundred years ago.

Now you are attacking Hugo Chavez too? Everything you just Ad hominemed about Venezuela is false (watch the Empire files video posted earlier and learn the truth or just keep believing the CIA CAPITALIST LIES. I mean, how many CIA backed coups does it take for Agelbert to finally accept that Socialism has "failed?" 😈). As soon as the Texas Fossil Fuelers couldn't control Venezuela's oil, Venezuela was PUSHED  "off the rails" by consistent and continuous economic attacks by GUESS WHO?   

And NOBODY is promising "free money". That's just more Republican CAPITALIST disingenuous propaganda that you are quite skilled at carrying around like a badge of honor. Universal Basic Income provides FREEDOM from Capitalist employer Captive market Tyranny. You can claim otherwise all you want 👎. I know better. What is REALLY FREE MONEY is the welfare queen subsidies for the Fossil Fuel Fascists 🦕🦖 that you never seem to remember have been FREE-RIDING on the taxpayer dime for about a century.  How convenient. ALL the social programs proposed from free education to dental included healthcare to UBI do not amount to a HILL OF BEANS compared with what your precious Texan Oil WELFARE QUEENS have taken from we-the people.

The super rich are not just a "vile lot"; they are PARASITES. They are LAZY. They are FREE RIDERS. They are WELFARE QUEENS. They are CRIMINALS. They are CROOKS. We are ALL DEAD if they are not stopped. I really do not believe you understand that.

I have no idea what you mean by the ad hom about the "left not letting go" of what you consider "silly" this and that. All the identity politics WEDGE ISSUES were thought up by REPUBLICANS to deliberately, and underhandedly, demonize Democrats.

This whole "Left", "Right" political framing thing has always been bullshit, as far as I'm concerned. You are either for justice, equality and a better human society, free of exploitation and war, or you are full of ethically challenged CAPITALIST BULLSHIT.

Using pejorative labels like "clown" to describe a Socialist or "pipe dream" to descrbe a Socialist program is ad hominem, period. When I attack CAPITALISM, I give reasons, not verbal sniping. You may disagree with what I say, but you have no right whatsover to do so without calm and reasonable logic and facts.

You fly off the handle way to easily. I don't want discourse with you if I can possibly avoid it. You have already unjustly and viciously branded me as a "Trailer Park Jesus" and a "loser". I do not understand why you want to reply to any posts by a "whacko loser" like myself. Do you enjoy communicating with people you have no respect for? I certainly don't. Take a deep breath and go argue with somebody that isn't such a "leftist loser".

I'm glad you have no problem with Bernie. I hope you vote for him for POTUS.

I get that you labor under the CAPITALIST belief that all things Socialist are "stuff and nonsense". I disagree. You believe in your heart that you know what you are talking about. I don't, so let's leave it at that.

Get off my back, Eddie.
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on April 17, 2019, 09:45:09 pm
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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on April 29, 2019, 11:43:32 am
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What Are the Origins of the Olympic Torch Relay?

The Olympic Games are widely seen as a way to unite the world, but one popular Olympic tradition, the torch relay, originated in a much more divisive time and place. Despite widespread belief that the relay was part of the original Olympics in Ancient Greece, the modern Olympic torch relay actually originated in Nazi Germany, at the 1936 Games in Berlin. Joseph Goebbels (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013201314.png&hash=0715eb72631014310634eb56176ff860c6d542f6), the propaganda minister for 👹 Adolf Hitler, saw an opportunity to popularize the myth of "Aryan" superiority by promoting the idea that Nazi Germany was the natural inheritor of classical Greek civilization. Thus the relay was born, with the runners making their way from Olympia, Greece, to Berlin, to light the Olympic cauldron. Foreshadowing the conflict to come, the torches were made by Krupp, a firm that built the machine guns later used by German soldiers during World War II. Onlookers along the torch route through Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Austria, and Czechoslovakia were expected to shout, "Heil, Hitler," as the runners passed. In reverse, the torch route was not dissimilar from the path that Hitler's invading troops would take through Europe at the start of World War II, just three years later.

There is one silver (or is it gold?) lining, though: When the Olympics were held again -- not for 12 years because of World War II -- they were in London, and the torch relay became known as a symbol of peace, which is how it remains today.

Looking back 🧐 at the 1936 Olympics:

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Title: Pompeo’s ‘Inalienable Rights Commission’ – A Conservative Christian Assault on Human Rights?
Post by: AGelbert on July 15, 2019, 11:11:35 pm
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Pompeo’s ‘Inalienable Rights Commission’ – A 😈 Conservative Christian Assault on Human Rights?

July 15, 2019

The newly-announced State Department "commission on inalienable rights" is a Trojan Horse for the long-planned Conservative Christian attack on human rights.

https://youtu.be/izchugja160

https://therealnews.com/stories/pompeos-inalienable-rights-commission-a-conservative-christian-assault-on-human-rights

Agelbert NOTE: Absolutely everything about "Conservative Christian" beliefs and behavior is a total inversion of Christ's teachings. They want to destroy, not conserve, human rights for the masses and pollute the environment for corporate profit. IOW their title is 100% Orwellian. They are enemies of God.
Title: Here is the root of the suicidal trajectory of Homo sap.
Post by: AGelbert on September 15, 2019, 02:38:43 pm
Here is the root of the suicidal trajectory of Homo sap. I continue to believe that, as soon as the vice of selfishness is institutionalized as a "virtue", it is all destructive downhill thereafter. That is precisely what the Evangelical "Christians" of the USA have done, as this video makes crystal clear. U-tube puts it into the "comedy" category. I classify it as TRUTH.

   
Evangelicals Breaking Up with Jesus
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Title: Worshipping a Flag is Idolatry, NOT Patriotism
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Title: When Christian love and charity is indistinguishable from greed, evil, and faithlessness
Post by: AGelbert on October 05, 2019, 11:16:21 pm
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When Christian love and charity is indistinguishable from greed, evil, and faithlessness 😱

By Jack Cluth    10.05.19   

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I don’t think God would be blessing an immoral man who lies, cheats, and belittles others. At least not according to the Bible. I don’t think God is on a “side”.

— Jana Hyde (@janahyde1) October 1, 2019


[T]o the Christian Right, an impeachment inquiry on the part of House Democrats amounts to an attempted coup d’etat. Trump, regardless of his blatant corruption, is still quite popular among far-right Christian fundamentalists — who have been rushing to his defense and sounding very melodramatic in the process. The fact that Trump, during a July 25 phone conversation, tried to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky into investigating former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden is irrelevant to Trump’s  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013201314.png&hash=0715eb72631014310634eb56176ff860c6d542f6) Christian Right supporters. And no matter how much information comes out about Trump’s July 25 conversation with Zelensky, they are unwavering in that support.

It’s good to know that  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013201314.png&hash=0715eb72631014310634eb56176ff860c6d542f6) Evangelical Christians are concerned about upholding the teachings of Jesus Christ and helping to bring sinners around to seeing the importance of living a Christ-like life. Right?? Except who could have known that ol’ J.C. was a lying, philandering, immature, inept sociopath concerned only with his own self-interest and self-aggrandizement? Who could have foreseen that earthly representatives of the Kingdom of God would hitch their wagon to a man whose primary (and only) allegiance is to the advancement of his greed, avarice, and political power?

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And when did Evangelicals decide to put the “fun” in “fundamentalist?” When did they become so thoroughly judgmental, intolerant, and self-absorbed that they lost their way…and their faith? Prominent Evangelicals like Robert Jeffress, Franklin Graham, Tony Perkins, and so many others have become complicit in the greed, corruption, dishonesty, homophobia, and [insert unChristian behavior here] which are the hallmarks of Donald Trump’s Reign of Error ©. These folks are as much about living Christ-like lives as I am the Queen of Sweden; they’re more closely aligned with the philosophy and calculated hypocrisy of the Pharisees.

The mind fairly boggles at people who can blithely prattle on about Democrats being “evil” when real, impactful evil is committed by the Trump(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-301216165623.jpeg&hash=1ccfee6aaf9d939cca294a849774cff11e462e59)Administration EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818204546.gif&hash=ffeafdfa24208fe5070639ffa682bb2ad041737c) How can self-professed “good” Christians ignore the immorality, venality, and criminality which characterize virtually every action of this 🦀 President…and then moan about the evil, Satanic nature of Democrats?

It’s astonishing how willfully blind so much of Trump’s base is to his faithlessness and immorality. That Evangelicals can willingly and openly stand so firmly behind him seems like nothing if not a massive case of Stockholm Syndrome (or just plain ol’ hypocrisy). If a Christian can be judged by their actions and how they treat others (the only true yardstick of faith), how can any rational, committed follower of Jesus Christ find Trump to be anything but a monster of the first order? That’s the stuff of (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4) cults, don’tchathink??

Call me naive (you wouldn’t be the first), but I’d never have suspected so many millions of my fellow citizens could be so easily duped into believing Donald Trump was anointed by a loving, righteous God to lead America. Then again, to quote the noted philosopher Forrest Gump, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

While I hesitate to stoop to calling others “stupid,” sometimes things are so blindingly obvious and undeniable you simply have to call it as you see it.

Nice work, America. You broke it, you bought  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/2/3-300919160026-22862484.png) it.  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-040718162656-14241872.gif&hash=6c39a3206e2b2a3d652adee626b5eee8ab5b15bf)

https://whatwouldjackdo.org/2019/10/05/when-christian-love-and-charity-is-indistinguishable-from-greed-evil-and-faithlessness/
Title: Re: When Christian love and charity is indistinguishable from greed, evil, and faithlessness
Post by: Surly1 on October 06, 2019, 09:32:30 am

[size=124pt]When Christian love and charity is indistinguishable from greed, evil, and faithlessness 😱[/size]

By Jack Cluth    10.05.19   


[T]o the Christian Right, an impeachment inquiry on the part of House Democrats amounts to an attempted coup d’etat. Trump, regardless of his blatant corruption, is still quite popular among far-right Christian fundamentalists — who have been rushing to his defense and sounding very melodramatic in the process.
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Call me naive (you wouldn’t be the first), but I’d never have suspected so many millions of my fellow citizens could be so easily duped into believing Donald Trump was anointed by a loving, righteous God to lead America. Then again, to quote the noted philosopher Forrest Gump, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

While I hesitate to stoop to calling others “stupid,” sometimes things are so blindingly obvious and undeniable you simply have to call it as you see it.

Nice work, America. You broke it, you bought  [/img]

https://whatwouldjackdo.org/2019/10/05/when-christian-love-and-charity-is-indistinguishable-from-greed-evil-and-faithlessness/

For fundamemtalists, it's about judges, Israel, and the "end times" heralding Jesus' final return. Little do they know that were Jesus to actually return and rule, he would be less than pleased with their doings.

As long as white Baptists are doing well, it's all good in their world. these are the "comfortable" I would like noting more than to afflict.

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Just love me some pharisees.
Title: God has, throughout the ages, sent his people to tell us, in no uncerntain terms, what is right and
Post by: AGelbert on October 06, 2019, 03:21:31 pm

When Christian love and charity is indistinguishable from greed, evil, and faithlessness 😱

By Jack Cluth    10.05.19   


[T]o the Christian Right, an impeachment inquiry on the part of House Democrats amounts to an attempted coup d’etat. Trump, regardless of his blatant corruption, is still quite popular among far-right Christian fundamentalists — who have been rushing to his defense and sounding very melodramatic in the process.
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Call me naive (you wouldn’t be the first), but I’d never have suspected so many millions of my fellow citizens could be so easily duped into believing Donald Trump was anointed by a loving, righteous God to lead America. Then again, to quote the noted philosopher Forrest Gump, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

While I hesitate to stoop to calling others “stupid,” sometimes things are so blindingly obvious and undeniable you simply have to call it as you see it.

Nice work, America. You broke it, you bought it.

https://whatwouldjackdo.org/2019/10/05/when-christian-love-and-charity-is-indistinguishable-from-greed-evil-and-faithlessness/

For fundamemtalists, it's about judges, Israel, and the "end times" heralding Jesus' final return. Little do they know that were Jesus to actually return and rule, he would be less than pleased with their doings.

As long as white Baptists are doing well, it's all good in their world. these are the "comfortable" I would like noting more than to afflict.


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Just love me some pharisees.

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Surly, that belief among secular liberals that the irrational support of Trump is all about the End Times for "Fundamentalists" is a mendacity laced canard carefully cultivated by the 😈 pseudo-Christians themselves. It is clever buck passing 😈 pharisaic sophistry, nothing more. It is a pious guise to cover the truth that the support for Trump is all about Mammon Worship.(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-040718162655-14231561.gif&hash=98b427175ee380f6d3c313520cc8668c10f2172a)(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-270117175421.png&hash=cf39e823dd9156833bfa885808a876bf518bd0d6)

I as a Christian, and a pretty Fundamentalist, walk the talk Christian at that, urge you solemnly not to believe their pious "End Times" justifies 👹 WHATEVAH for "Christians" and (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-301216165623.jpeg&hash=1ccfee6aaf9d939cca294a849774cff11e462e59) Trump. As the article I posted makes clear, it is not possible to be a Christian, no matter how Fundamentalist, and consciously discard the most basic LAWS ORDERED by Jesus Christ HIMSELF in the New Testament.

The third Temple and ALL THAT excuses NOBODY who calls themselves a Christian, Fundamentalist or otherwise, if they willfully embrace the Sinfully Damning REJECTION of Christ's Commands through full throated Mammon worship. Christians who embrace 100% ANTI-Christian behavior just because Trump moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem do NOT earn a "Get-Out-of-Hell-Free" Card. The "Christian" leaders pushing this blasphemy are deluded. These 😈 reprobate leaders are under what the Bible calls STRONG DELUSION (explained below).       

After the following graphic of Trumper Republican types, the following quote explains, from the true Christian Bible based perpective, what is going on with these pseudo-Christian pharisees:

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And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A11-12&version=KJV)-- 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 King James Version (KJV)

God has tolds us all what we must do to be saved. God has, throughout the ages, sent messengers to tell us, in no uncertain terms, what is right and what is the path to perdition.

Mammon Worshipping Human society kills these messengers who cut right through the clever lies and self-serving pharisee sophistry, but God continues to shred any and all cheap excuses for evil behavior, in all its forms.

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Title: Yeah, it’s a very good thing you’re not a Christian….
Post by: AGelbert on October 06, 2019, 06:49:22 pm
Yeah, it’s a very good thing you’re not a Christian….


By Jack Cluth    09.01.19   
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Jesus fed thousands on a hillside, because they were hungry.
He said to give one of your coats to someone who had none.
He gave free healthcare wherever he went.
His community shared everything they had.
It's a good thing you're not a Christian… pic.twitter.com/KPbjFBUUVy
— John Pavlovitz (@johnpavlovitz) August 26, 2019

When will right-of-center Americans learn that labeling something you don’t like as “SOCIALISM!!!” only displays your complete and utter ignorance of what socialism actually is? Or perhaps these folks enjoy exposing themselves as moral and intellectual midgets unable to carry on a debate without resorting to labeling and shouting?

Many Conservative Americans, 😈 Nikki Haley among them, profess to be followers of Jesus Christ, who, to coin a phrase, was the ultimate socialist.

He didn’t preach rugged individualism as the path to salvation and admission to Heaven.

He didn’t believe that a dog-eat-dog, I-got-mine-you-can-damned-well-get-your-own social and economic system was the only correct way to live.

Yet how many of those self-professed Christians are convinced that virtually any expression of compassion or consideration for the common good is “SOCIALISM!!!”

Here’s a remedial lesson in living for those who missed the Sunday School lessons: compassion isn’t weakness and caring for others isn’t “SOCIALISM!!!

Oh, and you might try learning about what socialism actually is before you beginning screaming “SOCIALISM!!!” Chances are good you’ll be surprised by what the word and the concept actually mean.

Things like “community” and “compassion” are actually things humanity would perish without…or can you even see that far outside your own narrow interests?

https://whatwouldjackdo.org/2019/09/01/yeah-its-a-very-good-thing-youre-not-a-christian/
Title: The saddest, sickest thing you’ll read today
Post by: AGelbert on October 06, 2019, 07:23:35 pm
The saddest, sickest thing you’ll read today

By Jack Cluth  10.06.19


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Jared Polis
@jaredpolis
   
Deep down, we all suspected that this is the dark reality we are now in: — Jared Polis (@jaredpolis) October 4, 2019


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There’s no shame in being wrong. We all screw up from time to time. That said, there’s no mistake so big, traumatic, and/or overwhelming that there aren’t lessons to be learned from it. You just have to be open to learning. We’re human, we make mistakes. It’s what we do. What you do with the knowledge that you messed up is the most important part of the equation.

Sadly, there are far too many Americans like the misguided soul in the tweet above. The “I’ve attached my entire worldview to this man (Donald Trump, of course) and I am going down with the ship” schtick is about as sad and ignorant as it’s possible for a biped to be. The willingness to base your entire worldview on the lies, dishonesty, and megalomania of one wannabe tyrant is sad and distressing enough. It’s the refusal to even consider that he might be wrong which is truly awful. Rather than admit he fell for the propaganda and allowed himself to be misled, this poor, misguided Patriot is going to ride his 👹 horse until it collapses and dies underneath him.

One of the great things about being human is that all of us are possessed of free will. We have the freedom to make our own choices…and mistakes. Most of us manage to see our mistakes as opportunities to learn, grow, and improve. This poor dimwit can’t acknowledge the possibility that he chose the wrong horse. Instead, he’s “going down with the ship.” How terribly and unnecessarily sad and pointless. What’s he going to do when his horse goes to ground…live off the grid and plot violent revolution? Good luck with that one, eh?

https://whatwouldjackdo.org/2019/10/06/the-saddest-sickest-thing-youll-read-today/

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Title: NOTICE how QUICKLY the "Heavenly Mandate" for Trump evaporates when he don't play their tune
Post by: AGelbert on October 07, 2019, 09:04:26 pm
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Right Wing Watch

@RightWingWatch
Pat Robertson is "appalled" by Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria: "The President of the United States is in great danger of losing the mandate of Heaven if he permits this to happen."

Individual-1 "is in great danger of losing the mandate of Heaven" (http://Right Wing Watch ✔ @RightWingWatch Pat Robertson is "appalled" by Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria: "The President of the United States is in great danger of losing the mandate of Heaven if he permits this to happen.")

Agelbert NOTE: "Mandate of Heaven" is Pseudo-Christian "Fundamentalist" CODE SPEECH for: You keep worshipping our God Mammon through war profiteering murder and mayhem or you will be demonified PRONTO. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F2%2F3-190419235756.png&hash=ddd7a71acf6ff0420a63e797c27fdcad27734e3e)

Like I said before, the End Times Biblical Teaching is just the CANARD CON that these pseudo-Christian bastards will drop when their M.I.C. stock porfolios are threatened. For these "Fundamentalist Pastors" (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-241013183046.jpeg&hash=51c9c4f17e747698c76c65c7c1814eff4f32c400), it has ALWAYS been about DA MONEY. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-040718162655-14231561.gif&hash=98b427175ee380f6d3c313520cc8668c10f2172a) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-190318152544.png&hash=f9c3636b6ca81d8a7b9c7b8182c3367edbb8a377)


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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 09, 2019, 12:26:53 pm
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Tue Oct 8, 2019, 01:49 PM
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U.S.'s Biggest 😈 Christian Charity 😉  Reportedly Channeled $56.1 Million To Purported  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013201314.png&hash=0715eb72631014310634eb56176ff860c6d542f6)☠️ Hate Groups
Source: Newsweek

The nation's eighth-largest nonprofit donated $56.1 million to a series of organizations identified as hate groups from 2015 to 2017, according to a report from Sludge.

National Christian (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-250718202127.gif&hash=acc63221521ebaf3f238088fd92d1ae3a08b6e48) Foundation, which identifies itself as the largest Christian grant maker and one of the largest donor-advised funds in the nation, has served as a vehicle for individuals trying to anonymously send money.

Donor-advised funds allow individuals sending the tax deductible contributions to remain anonymous from the IRS and instruct where they want the payments to be sent. For those donating via NCF, this meant sending money to 23 organizations that the Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled hate groups. Most of the hate organizations that received money from the NCF opposed LGBT rights. The report also found that the NCF donated to anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant organizations.

Organizations receiving the most funds from NCF included the Alliance Defending Freedom, which has advocated for sterilizing transgender individuals, and the Family Research Council, which has advocated conversion therapy. Members of the Family Research Council including Tony Perkins, the organization's president, have sought to link pedophilia and homosexuality.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/biggest-christian-charity-funding-hate-groups-1370055

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142378382

Agelbert NOTE: The 🦕🦖 Koch Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Fascist (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418203402.gif&hash=b2691028ba683a0039a5811f5775c68d7ccae01c) family of donor front groups are in this hate funding operation by these "Christians" (SEE: Orwell) up to their corrupt eyeballs.

The National Christian Foundation is more appropriately titiled the National Golden Calf Foundation.(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-040718162655-14231561.gif&hash=98b427175ee380f6d3c313520cc8668c10f2172a) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-190318152544.png&hash=f9c3636b6ca81d8a7b9c7b8182c3367edbb8a377)

This is still another reason to bankrupt polluters; they pollute our minds as well as the planet with their Government Welfare Queen "subsidy" HANDOUTS. NONE of these hate groups would be able to DO what they DO without profit over people and planet fossil fuel money!

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 12, 2019, 10:58:36 pm
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By Neil Steinberg  Oct 10, 2019, 12:56pm CDT

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“If you are followers of Jesus, you can’t ignore what Jesus said,” said Rev. Jim Wallis, who was educated in Deerfield and returns to the area for appearances this weekend.

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Title: The Forgotten Christian Terror Cult That Presaged Trump’s Memes
Post by: Surly1 on October 22, 2019, 08:24:38 am
The Forgotten Christian Terror Cult That Presaged Trump’s Memes (https://newrepublic.com/article/155428/forgotten-christian-terror-cult-presaged-trumps-memes)
How a right-wing conspiracy blossomed in the pre-internet age


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Last Christmas, I found myself alone, stoned, and poolside at the Trump National Doral Miami wearing a “Fake News” T-shirt under a fluffy white Trump robe. Before the noon checkout, I’d gone to catch some rays and take a video of myself reading a passage about Mike Flynn from a galley of my book. 

I’d done a lot of reporting on Flynn’s career. In 2012, then a lieutenant general, Flynn was appointed by President Obama to run the Defense Intelligence Agency, but he was unceremoniously fired after two years of tumult and politicking in uniform. He would go on to secretly lobby for Turkey and spout conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton’s health, as well as an imagined pedophilia ring in a Washington pizza parlor. This post-Army fall was fascinating to me because Flynn was a true military believer, a throwback to another era, Colonel Kurtz come home. People I respected in the Army respected him. My CIA friends did not seem to share this respect. He thought differently than most Army general officers I knew. 

Flynn’s tenure in the Trump administration was even briefer: He was ousted as national security advisor after just 24 days over pre-election Russia contacts and his foreign lobbying, which also led him to plead guilty to a federal count of lying to investigators. Since then, the main public support he’d garnered was from his family and the QAnon people, who exist in that liminal internet space called the chans and believe a “storm” is coming in which President Trump will bust an international pedophilia ring of Democrats, globalists, and satanists. In these apocalyptic fantasies, Flynn was a good Christian warrior working to bring the deep state cabal down from inside: Some even theorized that Flynn was Q, the anonymous author of the online posts that delineated this alleged global conspiracy. As I pondered the man’s legacy that holiday morning, a single lizard emerged from a crack in the wall, slinked to the hot tub, and swam three laps. 

For me, that was a clear sign it was time to go. Doug Laux—the ex-spy I’d spent two consecutive Christmases with, staying in properties owned by the president—and I collected our rental, a red convertible Camaro, from the Venezuelan valet and rolled out, bound for South Beach. Just outside the property a woman stood, wearing a yellow reflective vest, holding a sign that said “Who is Q/I know/Do you?” As we drove past, I shouted the initials “WWG1WGA”—short for ”Where we go one we go all,” a Q tagline—from the convertible. She looked confused by the reference. I wondered who was paying her to stand there and hold the sign.

Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. The information wars continue apace. Earlier this month, the Trump Doral hosted the “American Priority Conference.” One panel called “Is America in a Great Awakening?” seemed like a dog-whistle to followers of what I’ve come to think of as “the QAnon psychological operation.” Before the shitshow in Syria and Trump’s grade-school notes to foreign leaders and impeachment intrigues took over the conversation, Twitter was abuzz over a snuff video shown in a side room of the Doral conference: It featured the president entering a “Church of Fake News” to beat, shoot, and stab Trump’s most-hated media members to death.

That Christmas night, at a South Beach hotel, Doug and I watched cable news. Trump had made a surprise visit to Iraq. In a commercial break between the talking heads, The 700 Club advertised a prayer line. I dialed the number. After several minutes of listening to recordings of Pat Robertson and his son asking for money, I was connected with a Filipino-accented 700 Club prayer representative. She asked for my prayer request. I thought I knew the men who needed the most prayers: the brave Navy SEALs protecting Trump in Iraq right now. The prayer she said for them was worth the wait, fierce and fiery, calling doom on the enemies of God, the president, and the SEALs. America had entered a golden age of magical thinking. It was no longer just the fringe awaiting apocalyptic scenarios. An entire political entertainment system that feasted on the next day’s hope for a deus ex machina now did eschatology as well. Not long after, I’d discover the story of The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, a 1980s Christian terrorist cult, and realize they had anticipated this very moment. 


Say what you will about doomsday cults; zealots know how to pick killer real estate. The self-castrating Heaven’s Gate members who wore Nikes to commit suicide and travel to a spaceship behind the Hale Bopp comet did so from a California mansion near Encinitas. Well before Joanna and Chip Gaines made Waco, Texas, into a mecca of Shiplap and rusted tin, David Koresh’s Branch Davidians built and lost their own fixer-upper cult compound—Mount Carmel—just outside of town. The Manson family lived for a time at the Spahn Ranch, a Southern California stand-in landscape for western films and television shows. 

These were my thoughts last month, driving northeast from my home in Fayetteville, Arkansas, to check an old cult compound. 

In the late 1970s, a group un-ironically calling itself the CSA—which was easier to embroider on hats than The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord—purchased 224 acres of Arkansas-Missouri borderland in the lakes of the Ozarks region from the Campus Crusade for Christ. There, they established a separatist commune called Zarephath-Horeb to stockpile food and practice self-sufficiency while awaiting the tribulations. On the way to find Zarephath, I’d pulled off about halfway in Harrison, Arkansas—which had gone from having four white-power billboards to one in 2017—for a cathartic **** in a Hobby Lobby restroom. 

The story I was driving toward hit a little too close to home. My paternal great-grandfather hailed from Cassville, Missouri; we still have kin there. My mother’s side of the family are Mormons. The Mormons in Missouri have their own dark history, having settled in Jackson County in the 1830s after Joseph Smith declared it to be his followers’ Zion. The residents of Jackson County had other ideas; attacks followed, and Smith’s followers and a Mormon paramilitary sect calling themselves the Danites carried out a terror campaign of reprisals in the “Mormon Missouri War,” leading Governor Lilburn Boggs to sign Missouri Executive Order 44, known as the “extermination order,” on October 27, 1838, to rid the state of the Mormons and the problems they brought. 

The Christian terror cult I was chasing was four hours away from the Mormons’ last Missouri stand, but I was glad my bowels were empty as I continued twisting on mountain roads, saw-toothing around Bull Shoals Lake, near the old CSA border compound. 

James Ellison, a Church of Christ minister, founded the CSA as a Christian commune with seven other families in nearby Elijah, Missouri, in 1971. The group grew in fits and starts, and Ellison bought the compound on the Bull Shoals lakefront in ’76. They lived an insular, severe life there. Smoking and drinking were forbidden; everybody worked, gave their personal possessions up to the commune, and listened to Ellison’s increasingly conspiratorial sermons about America’s imminent decline. In 1978, Ellison told his flock that the apocalypse was coming on August 12. To prepare for the inevitable decline that would attend the end of the world, the group stockpiled $52,000 in arms and ammunition, appointed a “defense minister,” and began to study military tactics.

When August 12 passed without the foretold tribulations, some of Ellison’s original flock left the fold, and he took a job on a crew building nuclear missile silos in Missouri, while other men in the group earned money as hired hands or logging cedar, with all money earned consecrated toward the group’s goals. It got weird, fast. “Members of the CSA are tied by a non-traditional religion which includes faith healing, speaking in tongues, and a prophecy which says that society will soon collapse in turmoil,” a 1982 internal FBI report stated:

In preparation for this, the group stockpiles food and weapons and trains themselves in military and survival procedures…taught are firearms and marksmanship, rappelling, foraging for food, **** of such obstacles as punji sticks and barbed wire to detour looters [sic], urban warfare, military field craft, national forest survival, home defense, Christian martial arts, Christian military truths, nuclear survival and tax protesting.

“By 1980, we had grown to about sixty members, including children,” wrote Kerry Noble, a Texas-born spiritual seeker who became the CSA’s second-in-command and public face. Noble helped further radicalize the community when he began to play them tapes by John Todd, a Dallas-based hellfire preacher who claimed to be a defector from the “Grand-Druid Council of 13,” the innermost circle of the evil hidden hand of the world—the Illuminati, who sought to enslave humanity with the aid of demonic forces and the Trilateral Commission. 

Todd claimed that the Robert Redford movie Three Days of the Condor was more real than anyone knew: The codebook that Redford’s CIA character discovers was in fact Ayn Rand’s 1950s doorstop Atlas Shrugged, which, Todd argued, was a blueprint for the takeover plan of the Illuminati. Rand’s hero, John Galt, was really a stand in for the Philippe Rothschild, whom Todd asserted was the leader of the cabal. (Ellison, too, had returned from his missile-building to the compound with tapes of sermons—there were no email threads or Twitter accounts to spread ideas then—from the nearby Church of Israel, which promulgated Christian Identity, a racist theology that held whites to be the real chosen tribe of Israel and Jews to be the spawn of Satan.)

In December 1979, the group entrusted its military training to a refugee from the Southern California rock-and-roll scene named Randall Rader, who adopted the title of General. “Rader had no formal military training, but he owned several military fieldcraft books,” Noble wrote later. Noble was in charge of a “Home Guard,” a paramilitary unit that he described as “a man fifteen years older than me that has an artificial leg... an epileptic, retarded man; two half-blind, fat young men; and two men who could care less about the military than I do.” 

They began paramilitary training; some footage of the “Endtime Overcomer Survival Training School” remains available in a documentary on YouTube. In it, a CSA instructor explains to a row of eight adolescent long-haired girls standing in formation, rifles slung on their shoulders, why they’re there. “It is our duty as Christians, as Americans, to learn how to survive,” he tells his “cadets.” He is wearing tinted aviator glasses below a low-slung field cap and tanker goggles—just in case. There’s a dusting of snow on the ground. “We’re here to learn how to survive what’s coming on the earth, so we can better serve God’s people for His name’s sake.” 

The teens, wearing green fatigues and combat boots, listen intently. On one, a sheathed army surplus combat knife hangs from a leather harness slung over a Wehrmacht field jacket. “Part of how we’ll survive this thing is proper weapon technique,” the CSA man says, before leading girls who do not appear old enough to drive through live fire drills. The lesson ends with a benediction: “Thank you Jesus. Lord, just teach us your ways of war, teach us how to love and how to hate, bless us Jesus and keep us safe.” As they move through the compound, a hand-painted sign above the CSA man’s shoulder becomes visible: It reads US Embassy Tehran. That footage was shot in 1980, shortly after Ellison had prophesied apocalypse. When it didn’t come, the members that stayed on sunk deeper into preparations for the battle against the Illuminati.

Then the polygamy started. Michael Haddigan, a reporter for the Arkansas Gazettein the 1980s, told me a story over the phone: Ellison gathered all the community elders and explained that the Lord had told him, in a dream, that he was to sleep with everyone on the compound, including their wives. This upset some elders. The next day, Ellison gathered them back together and explained that the Lord had told him, in a dream, that he was to sleep with everyone on the compound except for their wives. 

That did not go over well with Ellison’s wife, Ollie, who’d grown alarmed at her husband’s shift over the course of their marriage. She’d fallen in love with Jim, the charismatic Texas preacher, a man slightly older than her who was once kind to her, when she was a single mother raising a daughter with Down syndrome.  

This other Jim made her uneasy; this “King of the Ozarks,” wholeheartedly embracing the neo-Nazi Christian Identity lifestyle. She thought her husband would keep her safe; instead, he was making alliances with the Idaho- and Washington-based Brüder schweigen of “The Order,” a neo-Nazi revolutionary group founded by a Mormon survivalist named Robert Jay Matthews. The CSA began offering sanctuary and training space to Order members, who funded their revolution with a string of robberies that kicked off in a Spokane sex-shop heist and evolved into bank jobs. Ollie had reason to worry. Ellison and his flock—he’d recruited young psychic casualties of the 1970s, damaged people trying to start over—were beginning to fracture over the polygamy, and the danger was real.

The CSA land on Bull Shoals Lake became a meeting and training ground for white supremacists from all around the United States. A flyer for the CSA National Convocation—held October 8-10, 1982, in Pontiac, Missouri—promised free admission to listen to three guest speakers. The first was Jack Mohr, a retired Army lieutenant colonel and former prisoner of war in Korea who ran his own Christian Identity paramilitary group, recruiting through his publication The Christian Patriot Crusader. There was “Pastor Bob” Miles, a one time grand dragon in the Michigan Ku Klux Klan, who’d been arrested and tried for plotting to bomb school buses and stop integration. Finally, there was Richard Butler, an aeronautical engineer from Los Angeles who’d joined an American fascist organization called the Silver Shirts before Pearl Harbor, then founded the Aryan Nations during Vietnam in a northern Idaho compound. 

The disparate white supremacist cells were attempting to merge into a body—a National CSA Confederacy—and like any good conference, pre-registration was required. “Only White, Patriotic, Serious CHRISTIANS need apply,” the flyer insisted, promising classes on weapons, the income tax, nuclear survival, the betrayal of America, natural childbirth, food storage, and the Jews. Rappelling was also an option.           

In June 1984, Richard Wayne Snell, a free-ranging white militant who operated out of the CSA compound and an Oklahoma safehaven called Elohim City, killed a pawn-shop owner he thought was Jewish in a robbery; in the getaway, he killed an Arkansas state trooper he knew was black. At the funeral for the trooper, Louis Bryant, Governor Bill Clinton announced that investigating extremist groups was among his top priorities.

Things went south for the movement quickly. The Order’s founder, Robert Jason Matthews, was killed on December 8, 1984, following a standoff with the FBI at his Washington state home, in which he donned a gas mask and fired 1,000 rounds at federal agents, including some in a circling helicopter. The confrontation the CSA cultists were waiting for was nigh, and by this time they’d acquired 30 gallons of potassium cyanide for the armory.   

Federal officials in Little Rock called FBI headquarters for help with their bubba problem; this activated a newly formed paramilitary cell within the FBI called the Hostage Rescue Team, whose name only hinted at their real function: counterterrorism. These were the FBI’s elite shooters modeled on the Army’s Delta Force, who’d gone operational in late 1983 after Operation Equus Red—a capstone nuclear terrorism scenario in New Mexico in which Hostage Rescue Team operators assaulted a safehouse to recover a mock weapon of mass destruction. 

This, now, was the real thing.

The Hostage Rescue Team guys deployed to the Ozarks, posing as white-collar types on a corporate fishing retreat when checking into hotels and lodges from Branson, Missouri, to Mountain Home, Arkansas; they discreetly suited up like commandos and set into concealed positions around The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord property. On April 20, 1985—Adolf Hitler’s birthday, a feast day for white supremacists—“the FBI and ATF, assisted by the Missouri and Arkansas State police, surrounded the compound and began negotiations with Ellison,” the FBI’s report states.

Remarkably, the standoff ended peacefully. Demonstrating that they had overwhelming numbers and overwhelming firepower, FBI agents opened a dialogue with Ellison; behind the scenes, Ollie Ellison convinced her husband that it was God’s will they surrender. Asa Hutchinson, an up-and-coming Arkansas politician, at that time the youngest serving United States attorney, threw on an FBI raid jacket to go in and finalize the surrender deal. Ellison and the order members with active warrants—for membership in “the ORDER, a secret terrorist organization that has close ties to both the CSA and Aryan Nations,” the FBI reported—went quietly. 

The agents recovered stolen vehicles, 155 Krugerrands, $800 in U.S. currency, “numerous gold and silver coins,” a rocket for a light anti-tank weapon, two computers, CB radios, records, knives, 94 long guns, 30 handguns, 35 machine guns and sawed off shotguns, a heavy machine gun, two land mines, 25 improvised booby traps, 40 makeshift grenades, blasting caps, detonation cord, dynamite sticks, blocks of C-4 explosives, flares, smoke grenades, and “several hundred thousand rounds” of ammunition. Ellison and Noble and several others at the compound went on to prison. Federal law enforcement would not have such a smooth time with later sieges, such as the one on Koresh’s Branch Davidians in Waco, which ended in a fiery death for 76 disciples on April 19, 1993, a day short of the CSA siege’s anniversary; on that same day in 1995, the state of Arkansas executed Richard Wayne Snell by lethal injection, and a Christian Identity adherent and Army veteran and Special Forces washout with a Bronze Star for valor from the first Gulf War named Timothy McVeigh detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City. The CSA first discussed bombing the building in 1983. 


It was harder than I expected to find the compound; that was part of the original charm, I supposed. I finally located it with the help of a postal worker, whose kin had moved the family graveyard to higher ground when they dammed and flooded the valley to create Bull Shoals Lake in the early 1950s. The CSA’s old property had been subdivided and sold since the siege, and the owner of one parcel let me walk around as he mowed the lawn. Two outbuildings, carefully hewn beam-and-stone structures—the masonry was excellent—remained, but the structures had fallen into disrepair. Still, the firing positions were there, horizontal notches carved into the boarded-up windows and doors. As chiggers bit my legs, leaving small wounds that would linger for weeks, the infantryman in me imagined what a last stand here would’ve looked like; the human in me is grateful it didn’t go that way then.

Ellison was tried in July of 1985 on federal weapons and racketeering charges. The indictment was full of real criminal allegations arising from the CSA’s fantasy war against the “ZOG,” or Zionist Occupied Government; these included arson attacks on a Springfield, Missouri, church known to be gay-friendly and a Jewish community center in Bloomington, Indiana. Convicted and facing 20 years in prison, Ellison flipped for the feds and got out in six. He currently lives free, wheelchair-bound and elderly, in Elohim City, that Oklahoma white supremacist enclave once preferred by Richard Wayne Snell. 

I couldn’t help but see the similarities between Ellison’s situation and ours. Anyone paying attention to the news cycle knows we live in a time of tech- and Trump-driven magical thinking, often ignoring the truth of what’s right in front of us to focus on whatever bullshit baits our social network’s attention that day. The human attention span is finite, easily drawn to scandal, and already prone to suspecting darkness as an explanation for our broken political system. Hucksters, seeding narratives that are simple, neat, and wrong, exist on every frequency of the political spectrum, if not equally so.  

Yet for me, of all those proffering a seer-stone to secret knowledge today, Q is the most interesting. Most of the media labels it a conspiracy theory, but that doesn’t quite cut it for me. It is too intentionally dismissive and ignores the tangible, real-world effect of Q. From its start, I watched as an anonymous poster on the chans created a digital guerrilla army. Just as The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord stockpiled guns and ammo, the Q folks stockpile rare Pepes, dank memes and elaborate link-analysis charts for when the cause needs them. If Illuminati and Christian Identity sermon tapes were enough to radicalize the clustered CSA flock in the 1980s—imbuing their day-to-day life struggles with divine meaning—what could a similar Manichean narrative do today when unleashed in a carefully calibrated cyber campaign? How long could such a narrative survive? How many people could it radicalize?

I’ve tried to ask Mike Flynn, the Q hero and information-operations expert, but he’s kept ducking my attempts to get in touch. I would ask Q, but 8chan is still down. Maybe I should reach out to the National Security Council; Flynn is gone, but his protege, Matt Pottinger, was just promoted to second in command. 

Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on October 22, 2019, 06:15:15 pm
That CSA pack of violence loving crazies may be gone, but I'm sure there are a lot of those "Live Fascist Pseudo-Christian Racist or Die" Hellspawn out there right now chomping at the bit to engage in "righteous" murder and mayhem.

Many years ago, in my early Christian walk, I went pretty far down the unChristian rabbit hole. :(  BUT, I always remained crystal clear about the fact that anyone that calls themselves a "Christian", who makes concrete, weapons arsenal creating plans to engage in violence against any other human, especially while encouraging others to do the same, is an ANTI-Christian.

Of course, this use of religion as a CON to rally other haters to engage in all sorts of heinous activity is not new.

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Title: To those that wonder if this will finally break the Evangelical support for Trump, it won't, but…
Post by: AGelbert on October 23, 2019, 01:10:29 am
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To those that wonder if this will finally break the Evangelical support for Trump, it won't, but…
You're looking at this from the wrong angle, it shouldn't be about trying to break the Evangelicals off from Trump, it should be about tying (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-200714191329.bmp&hash=4764bfbe6bb0e11ca61102efa97a932a824f47e0) them to  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4) Trump so he takes them down with him. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-250817121649.png&hash=4554f7e59701d12857946aece16bceb973c997b3)

Trump will go, but the (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418203402.gif&hash=b2691028ba683a0039a5811f5775c68d7ccae01c) evangelicals will continue to be a subversive and destructive force as they try to impose the Republic of Gilead upon all.

But by allying themselves so closely with Trump they have revealed their moral hipocracy and bankruptcy in a bindingly obvious fashion. Already some young Evangelicals are walking away in disgust and joining other less militant and more inclusive faiths (or even giving up on religion altogether).

If spun correctly this could break the back of the Evangelical movement and it's political power and influence, by a correct application of ETTD (Everything Trump Touches Dies). Brand them as the church of Trump, reiterate that he is their chosen one, that some of them even refer to him as their Messiah.

And when the Emperor is finally revealed to not only be naked but with a prolapsed anus [sorry for the image] and all the horrors of Trump's record, behaviour, crimes and attitudes are laid bare, he could drag them down.

Don't let them cast him out, paint them as HIS followers, HIS disciples, HIS enablers, HIS apologist. HIS moral equivalents.

They could even be cast to the religiously minded as a false faith that worshipped the antichrist. Other more compassionate faiths could try to entice their flocks (although would they want such hate filled followers?) and the corpse of their spiritual mandate could be pecked over by others looking to break them and their message.

Younger followers could be enticed to more progressive faiths, along with the disillusioned older believers who have a spiritual crisis. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-060518153110.png&hash=39d587c31b7f7e66b30d7e59bb560e2ad0662eee)

And those that remain will not have any political influence as the GOP runs in terror from any association with Trump, which they won't be allowed to wash off.

Hopefully the movent will be completely taken over by get rich quick schemas and charlatans that make it a mockery (not that it isn't now, but a mockery even to those of faith).

Trump could be painted as the antichrist, he does tick a LOT of the boxes, and they could be portrayed as the fallen faith that worshipped the antichrist (the antichrist, not Satan, the church of Satan are moral and ethical - and actually trolls that mock religion).

Evangelicals could be painted as acolytes of corruption that are part of the forces of darkness. And that would break them, after all who are most likely to be secret devil worshippers than the ones that always go on and on about the devil, while ignoring the evil in their leaders.

Trump will die eventually, it's biology. Movements don't inevitably die, but if tied to a reprehensible individual they can be pulled down.

And fade away.

Associated Post:

Even more allegations emerge about 🦀 Donald Trump sexually assaulting teenage girls (https://media3.giphy.com/media/kHmINzGsY6xbwgSo3J/source.gif)

Bill Palmer | 10:50 am EDT October 22, 2019
Palmer Report » Analysis

So many allegations of sexual misconduct have been made against Donald Trump, we’re in danger of losing track. It’s tricky to pin down why Trump’s status as a serial sexual assaulter isn’t among the biggest headlines about him, but it’s crucial that the story doesn’t get overlooked. In that regard, even more allegations have just emerged against Trump, this time involving – revoltingly – young girls. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/2/3-300919160019-22721213.gif)

Quite awhile back it was reported that Donald Trump liked to abuse his status as a beauty pageant boss to barge in on the young female contestants while they were getting dressed, and other similarly repulsive improprieties. According to a new book, Trump’s sexual misconduct during these beauty pageants was even worse than that. Far worse.

Donald Trump wasn’t just spying on these young female contestants while they were getting undressed, he was allegedly feeling up their breasts, kissing them on the mouth, and committing other forms of assault. Cosmopolitan has summed up some of the horror stories emerging from a new book, and the details are horrifying.

As a reminder, Donald Trump isn’t just a serial sexual assaulter who has yet to be brought to justice. He’s the President of the United States. He has a history of assaulting young girls, and now he’s the most powerful man in the world. It’s yet another reason why he must be ousted from office, and why he must be prosecuted for his crimes and put in prison.

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/teenage-girls-donald-trump-allegations-assault/22182/

Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on November 02, 2019, 10:23:50 am
November 1st, 2019 by Steve Hanley

SNIPPET:

“But I refuse to give it up, because I am a theological evangelical, one of those who can be simply defined as someone who takes the Bible seriously. This stands in stark contrast to today’s 😈 political evangelicals, whose statement of faith is written first by their politics and only a distant second by the Bible and who, if the two conflict, will prioritize their 😈 political ideology over theology.”

Full article:

Katherine Hayhoe 👍 Explains The Strange Disconnect Between 😈 Evangelical Christians & Climate Science (https://cleantechnica.com/2019/11/01/katherine-hayhoe-explains-the-strange-disconnect-between-evangelical-christians-climate-science/)

Title: A Prophetic Song About The Words of the Prophets:
Post by: AGelbert on November 03, 2019, 11:58:50 am
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived - 2 Timothy 3:13 King James Version (KJV)

For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. - Revelation 17:17
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A Prophetic Song About The Words of the Prophets (click for the YouTube video):
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"The Sound of Silence" is a song by singer-songwriter duo Simon & Garfunkel. Written in February 1964 by Paul Simon.
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on November 10, 2019, 03:37:06 pm
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. - 2 Timothy 3:1

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Timothy 3:4-5


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Donald Trump is desperate and cornered. What better balm for a man afflicted with rampant egotism than to hear from a "holy person" that he has been chosen to wear the mantle of Heaven, and that all who oppose him are not merely wrong, but an offense to God? Televangelist Paula White is now on the White House payroll, and she has launched an initiative to pray away impeachment.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on November 24, 2019, 01:15:23 pm
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Title: He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it.
Post by: AGelbert on December 02, 2019, 05:48:45 pm

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Fleecing the Flock: A Snapshot of America's Richest Pastors (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/paperbacktheology/2012/01/fleecing-the-flock-a-snapshot-of-americas-richest-pastors.html)
patheos.com - Flies around in a $17.5 Jet, lives in a $6 million lakefront mansion with a 1,500 acre campus and a private airstrip. He and his wife make over $655,000 a year in salary alone. It’s not clear whether…

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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. -- 1 John 2:3-4

There is a special place in Hell for the evil bastards, posing as Christian Pastors, who run the MegaChurches (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4) pushing the "greed is good" Prosperity Preaching Doctrine of Demons in the USA. Those evil bastards and their supporters laugh when they read comments like mine. They never did take anything written in the Bible they sanctimoniously (selectively (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdrphilyerboots.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F05%2Fcherry-picking.jpg&hash=c196a0ec409afacfa8f087d5a4556de272d44c6b)) quote seriously, so that is no surprise. Here's an Old Testament quote, that you will NEVER hear in a MegaChurch, that describes these "Pastor" Servants of Satan perfectly:

For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth. The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts. His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them. He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity. His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity. He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor. He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net. He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones. He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it. Psalm 10:4-11

Yeah, they think the world is their oyster. Something tells me that, very soon now, they are going to be very disappointed. In fact, the way things are going (i.e. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/2/3-081019223703.jpeg)) in the world today, several of those evil bastards on the list will experience a well deserved dose of justice before they finish their blasphemous soul of perdition demonic tour of duty on Earth. 
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"With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him."Daniel 11:32
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For the needy shall not always be forgotten: the expectation of the poor shall not perish for ever. -- Psalm 9:18
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on December 03, 2019, 02:20:20 pm
The early Christian Church had their number (Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. -- 1 John 2:15). Real Christians still do.

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Kenneth Copeland – Copeland Ministries Flies around in a $17.5 Jet, lives in a $6 million lakefront mansion with a 1,500 acre campus and a private airstrip. He and his wife make over $655,000 a year in salary alone. It’s not clear whether this includes speaking fees, book royalties, and “love offerings.” Creflo Dollar – World Changers Church International Drives a Rolls-Royce and lives in a Million dollar home in Atlanta, and a 2.5 million-dollar apartment in Manhattan. Dollar will not release his salary information. John Hagee – Cornerstone Church His last released salary was nearly $1 million per year (2004). Hagee does not release his earnings anymore. Charles Blake – West Angeles Church of God in Christ Owns a 10,000 square foot mansion in Beverly Hills (btw his congregation hails mostly from impoverished South Central LA) His year salary is $900,000 per year. Benny Hinn – Miracle Worker (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sherv.net%2Fcm%2Femoticons%2Fsick%2Fbarfing-smiley-emoticon.gif&hash=36f6791510582d9f9f48af1d4d1a006a5681103b) In 1997 he admitted to making between $500k & $1 million dollars per year Joel Osteen – Lakewood Church Stopped taking his $200,000 salary several years ago. Makes tens of millions off of his numerous books. Joel & family live in a $10.5 million – get this – 17,000 square foot mansion. Treasures in heaven people. Bishop Eddie Long – New Birth Missionary Baptist Church Long made over $3 million in a three year period from 1997 to 2000. He drives a Bentley, and lives in a 1.4 million dollar home on 20 acres. An investigation into his non profit showed he made more than $1 million dollars from them on top of his church income. No doubt some of that went toward his legal fees in 2011.Ed Young – Fellowship Church Dot Com Lives in a 10k square foot 1.5 million dollar home. He gets paid a cool $1 million dollars a year, plus a $240,000 parsonage allowance. That doesn’t count the royalties he makes off of his recent Sexperiment. Franklin Graham – Billy Graham Evangelistic Association In 2008 he reportedly made 1.2 million dollars. Your father should slap your face Franklin. Rick Warren – Saddleback Church


They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. -- 1 John 2:19
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on December 03, 2019, 04:55:08 pm
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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. -- 1 John 2:3-4
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Title: Hat Tip to Surly for pointing readers to this story
Post by: AGelbert on December 20, 2019, 01:31:42 pm
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Mark Galli: One of my main goals for the last three or four years is to have evangelicals on the left and the right, pro-Trump and anti-Trump, learn to listen to each other, to be caring to one another, to understand one another. I think our unity in Christ is much more important than our fusion in politics.

I have friends who voted for Trump for strong, prudential reasons. They’re very much pro-life, very much pro–religious freedom. They said, “Well, we can put up with his moral problems, because he’s delivering on things that are really important to us.” So, you know, I grant that.

The Atlantic

DECEMBER 19, 2019

By EMMA GREEN

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Christianity Today—the magazine founded by the famous preacher Billy Graham, and the longtime forum for mainstream evangelical thought—has published an editorial calling for Trump to be removed from the White House. The editor in chief, Mark Galli, acknowledged that “the typical CT approach is to stay above the fray and allow Christians with different political convictions to make their arguments in the public square.” But the facts are “unambiguous,” Galli wrote. “The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.”

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Agelbert NOTE: Altough I welcome this (better late than never) news, I can only say that it sure has taken long enough for these "Evangelicals" to smell the 🦀 Trump, fascist oligarch kotowing coffee. There is a LOT more IMMORAL, ANTI-CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR from 😈 Trump, almost SINCE DAY ONE in the White House, than the Ukraine extorsion plot.

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December 19, 2019: Christianity Today Editor Mark Galli: "It’s time to say what we said 20 years ago when a president’s character was revealed for what it was." ... “Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency.” (https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html)

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Title: "He has admitted immoral actions in business and with women, about which he remains proud."
Post by: AGelbert on December 20, 2019, 02:44:33 pm
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Trump Should Be Removed from Office

It’s time to say what we said 20 years ago when a president’s character was revealed for what it was.

MARK GALLI

DECEMBER 19, 2019

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The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.

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Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see. This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.

This concern for the character of our national leader is not new in CT. In 1998, we wrote this:

The President's failure to tell the truth—even when cornered—rips at the fabric of the nation. This is not a private affair. For above all, social intercourse is built on a presumption of trust: trust that the milk your grocer sells you is wholesome and pure; trust that the money you put in your bank can be taken out of the bank; trust that your babysitter, firefighters, clergy, and ambulance drivers will all do their best. And while politicians are notorious for breaking campaign promises, while in office they have a fundamental obligation to uphold our trust in them and to live by the law.

And this:

Unsavory dealings and immoral acts by the President and those close to him have rendered this administration morally unable to lead.

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To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end? (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-TzWpwHzCvCI%2FT_sBEnhCCpI%2FAAAAAAAAME8%2FIsLpuU8HYxc%2Fs1600%2Fnooo-way-smiley.gif&hash=b8545bd420b1e2f2c7b9f665d2093523e4ad2251)

We have reserved judgment on Mr. Trump for years now. Some have criticized us for our reserve. But when it comes to condemning the behavior of another, patient charity must come first. So we have done our best to give evangelical Trump supporters their due, to try to understand their point of view, to see the prudential nature of so many political decisions they have made regarding Mr. Trump. To use an old cliché, it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence. And just when we think it’s time to push all our chips to the center of the table, that’s when the whole game will come crashing down. It will crash down on the reputation of evangelical religion and on the world’s understanding of the gospel. And it will come crashing down on a nation of men and women whose welfare is also our concern.

Mark Galli is editor in chief of Christianity Today.

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Title: #ChristiansAgainstTrump is trending on Twitter right now, as it should be.
Post by: AGelbert on December 21, 2019, 05:49:32 pm
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The hashtag #ChristiansAgainstTrump is trending on Twitter right now, as it should be. For those Christians who actually believe in the liberal teachings of Jesus Christ laid out in the New Testament, someone like Donald Trump is almost literally the devil. Evangelicals – at least the ones on the political right – do not subscribe to Christ’s teachings in any way, and instead have made up their own greedy conservative version of Christ.

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🕊 Linda Larkin

I am a Christian, but believe that everyone has a human right to worship in their own way. In other words, I have never been against someone religion. So now I am asking every Christian, "What the hell took you so long?" Why now? Where were you when, children were torn from their parents? You have to deal with this new found "lightbulb thought," with your maker! This is a shame on your Christian beliefs! Let's get back to our Christian ways. Love and caring for anyone who needs our help.
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Agelbert NOTE: The following article is over a year and a half old, but as relevant today, if not more so, as it was then. The 2018 elections, seven months later, evidenced the accuracy of the article conclusions. Considering the nascent 🕊 #ChristiansAgainstTrump movement, which includes many 2016 Christian voters for Trump who will certainly not vote for Trump in 2020, the 2020 election results for Trump, and all the other Republican ANTI-Christian politicians supporting him, may very well be a MASSIVE LOSS. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818185040-1659929.gif&hash=0a9ca0c1f083655b821cbf024422e55e009a6d8d)

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Trump and the Death of Evangelicalism

Posted Apr 9, 2018 / by Lloyd Rang in Christ@Culture

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The Republican political strategist and media consultant Rick Wilson coined the phrase: “Everything Donald Trump touches, dies.” Considering his six bankruptcies, his failed attempt to sell steak, his bankrupt casino, his marriages, his joke of a university and the steady stream of employees who have left the White House with their careers in ruins, the description seems appropriate.

So – in hindsight – when a man with the touch of death embraced American Evangelicals, perhaps they should have been a bit more cautious. Instead, they embraced him, too – and it hasn’t gone particularly well for either of them. ...

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... Whatever the cause may be, the effect is clear. By turning a blind eye to Trump’s immorality, bullying, philandering, racism, lying, cheating and vulgarity – and declaring him, as James Dobson did, a “baby Christian,” American evangelicals are starting to draw the ire of their fellow Americans. “Evangelical” in many circles has grown so synonymous with “hypocrite” that some organizations are beginning to abandon the name.

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Title: Billy Graham’s grandkids come out swinging at Donald Trump
Post by: AGelbert on December 21, 2019, 06:51:06 pm
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Bill Palmer | 12:01 pm EST December 21, 2019
Palmer Report » Analysis

On Thursday, leading evangelical publication Christianity Today – originally founded by the late Billy Graham – published an op-ed calling for Donald Trump to be removed from office on moral grounds. On Friday, Trump erupted with anger at the publication, falsely accusing it of being a liberal outlet, and getting its name wrong. Billy Graham’s son 😈 Franklin Graham then attacked Christianity Today, and made the dubious claim that Billy Graham voted for Donald Trump in 2016.

But now two of Billy Graham’s family members are praising Christianity Today for standing up to Donald Trump. Graham’s granddaughter Jerushah Duford appeared on CNN and said this: “My grandfather always said courage is contagious. My hope is that an article like this will be a first step for people to actually stand up.”

Billy Graham’s grandson Boz Tchividjian said this: “A heavy hearted bravo to CT! Well said on so many levels. I believe my grandfather would have had a similar perspective. Thank you.”

Meanwhile Donald Trump is foundering in his attempts at addressing the controversy. In a Twitter meltdown he appeared to accuse Christianity Today ((https://www.christianitytoday.com/system/img/logos/ct_tagline.svg) (https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html)) of being run by socialists or communists. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818180835-16181943.gif&hash=0b93e71ee5e24bbe02555e0d648a1283e0e9651d)(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-220216203149.gif&hash=bd184b6edccce4045e246847a0c84e89bd5a18b6) He also inexplicably referred to the publication as “ET” – setting off endless memes about Entertainment Tonight and ET the Extra Terrestrial. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-210818163126-16771578.gif&hash=60d3e7427efc846ae1733eff0803c25b5d5b7862)

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Title: Re: Billy Graham’s grandkids come out swinging at Donald Trump
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Saw this yesterday. Apparently adherence to Christian ethics skips a generation in then Graham clan.
Title: what Martin Luther King, Jr. called “the conscience of the state". This is where we plant our flag.
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Saw this yesterday. Apparently adherence to Christian ethics skips a generation in then Graham clan.

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Real Christians are often accused of having a "rigid" personality because they will not back down when they make the claim that the gross immorality of a politician makes said politician unfit for office. Christians are called "hypocrites" for taking this position, as Christianity Today did in regard to Clinton, and now is doing, with still greater Christian Faith based justification, with Fascist Demagogue Donald J. Trump. I call it having a Christian moral compass, otherwise known as a spine. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418202709.png&hash=7503265ec59e4c28d735afb762bc39f4674bd838)

Our  so-called "magical" God is far more REAL than the "situational ethics" (SEE: "dial your own moral reality", "If it feels good do it", "more is better, no matter who you take advantage of to get yours") crowd polluting BOTH mainstream political parties and most of what passes for reason based intellectual discourse in American universties.

God reveals, to anyone willing to humble themselves and listen (an 'examined life' basic tenet - see Cornel West video after article - of Christianity that, thanks to the methodical U.S. Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity from kindergarten on up, most hubris and pride filled Americans reject as "Un-American"), what is sine qua non behavior for a Christian.

While it is possible to live an examined life and not be a Christian, it is impossible to be a Christian and not lead an examined life.

You cannot honestly call yourself a Christian if you do not lead an examined life. Trump and his evil supporters eschew the examined life with every fiber of their money worshipping being.

This is not hard to figure out. I celebrate this renewed clarity of what is Christian morality and how, exactly, the Trump Administration is the destructivly evil antithesis of Christian morality by Christianity Today. I'm looking forward to an article condemning the Pence fake Christian Trump lackey as ALSO unfit for public office.

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EDITORIAL

The Flag in the Whirlwind: An Update from CT’s President

Why our editor in chief spoke out against (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fstyles%2Frenewablerevolution%2Ffiles%2F809_84688966.jpeg&hash=7f3e84eea23fef901b7df618784dc2005290f591) Trump, and why the conversation must continue.

By TIMOTHY DALRYMPLE (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818185037-16412296.gif&hash=c8a4038d309a0f49ca4a7a464f30f9a340049cac)

DECEMBER 22, 2019

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Reader responses to Mark Galli’s recent editorial have spanned the spectrum. We have received countless notes of encouragement from 🕊 readers who were profoundly moved.They no longer feel alone. They have hope ✨ again. Many have told us of reading the editorial with tears in their eyes, sharing it with children who have wandered from the faith, rejoicing that at last 🕊 someone was articulating what they felt in their hearts. They felt this was a watershed moment in the history of the American church—or they hoped it would prove to be. Stay strong, they told us, knowing we were about to reap the(https://previews.123rf.com/images/vectorshots/vectorshots1210/vectorshots121000356/15808826-angry-elephant-vector-mascot-illustration.jpg) whirlwind.

On the other hand, we have heard from many readers who felt incensed and insulted (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F2%2F3-071219204637.png&hash=d4e338f061d4b31b87d381c480e57064bfa97e86). These readers felt the editorial engaged in character assassination, or maligned a broad swath of our fellow evangelicals, or revealed that we prefer the Democrats to a  President 😇 who has done a lot of good for causes we all care about.  (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_9HT4xZyDmh4%2FTOHhxzA0wLI%2FAAAAAAAAEUk%2FoeHDS2cfxWQ%2Fs200%2FSmiley_Angel_Wings_Halo.jpg&hash=13281f1944b60773bf12b29387b70be77cc1fe16)(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818180835-16181943.gif&hash=0b93e71ee5e24bbe02555e0d648a1283e0e9651d)(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-TzWpwHzCvCI%2FT_sBEnhCCpI%2FAAAAAAAAME8%2FIsLpuU8HYxc%2Fs1600%2Fnooo-way-smiley.gif&hash=b8545bd420b1e2f2c7b9f665d2093523e4ad2251)

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Of course, we appreciate the support and listen humbly to the criticisms. But at the end of the day, we write for a readership of One. God is our Tower. Let the whirlwind come. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418201112.png&hash=679f4583d6861313c256e8762c40929af1ac667e)

President Donald Trump would have you believe we are “far left.” Others have said we are not Bible-believing Christians. Neither is true. Christianity Today is theologically conservative. We are pro-life and pro-family. We are firm supporters of religious liberties and economic opportunity for men and women to exercise their gifts and create value in the world. We believe in the authority of Scripture.

We are also a global ministry. We travel the world and see the breadth and depth of what God is doing through his people all around the planet. It is beautiful, and breathtaking, and immense. The global Body of Christ—and the community of evangelicals—is vastly larger than our domestic political squabbles. But partly on behalf of that global body, we can no longer stay silent.

American evangelicals have always been a loose coalition of tribes. We have fought one another as often as we have fought together. We at Christianity Today believe we need to relearn the art of balancing two things: having a firm opinion and inviting free discussion. We need, in other words, both a flag and a table.

First, then, the flag. Numerous reporters have asked whether the ministry supports what was stated in the editorial. Was Mark Galli speaking on behalf of the institution? CT does not have an editorial board. Editors publish under their own names. Yet Galli has stood in the trenches for men and women of faith for over three decades. He has been an outstanding editor in chief. While he does not speak for everyone in the ministry—our board and our staff hold a range of opinions—he carries the editorial voice of the magazine. We support CT’s editorial independence and believe it’s vital to our mission for the editor in chief to speak out on the issues of the day.

As an institution, Christianity Today has no interest in partisan politics. It does not endorse candidates. We aim to bring biblical wisdom and beautiful storytelling both to the church and from the church to the world. Politics matter, but they do not bring the dead back to life. We are far more committed to the glory of God, the witness of the church, and the life of the world than we care about the fortunes of any party. Political parties come and go, but the witness of the church is the hope of the world, and the integrity of that witness is paramount.

Out of love for Jesus and his church, not for political partisanship or intellectual elitism, this is why we feel compelled to say that the alliance of American evangelicalism with this presidency has wrought enormous damage to Christian witness. It has alienated many of our children and grandchildren. It has harmed African American, Hispanic American, and Asian American brothers and sisters. And it has undercut the efforts of countless missionaries who labor in the far fields of the Lord. While the Trump administration may be well regarded in some countries, in many more the perception of wholesale evangelical support for the administration has made toxic the reputation of the Bride of Christ.

Galli’s editorial focused on the impeachment, but it was clear the issues are deeper and broader. Reasonable people can differ when it comes to the flagrantly partisan impeachment process. But this is not merely about impeachment, or even merely about President Trump. He is not the sickness. He is a symptom of a sickness that began before him, which is the hyper-politicization of the American church. This is a danger for all of us, wherever we fall on the political spectrum. Jesus said we should give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s. With profound love and respect, we ask our brothers and sisters in Christ to consider whether they have given to (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fstyles%2Frenewablerevolution%2Ffiles%2F809_84688966.jpeg&hash=7f3e84eea23fef901b7df618784dc2005290f591) Caesar what belongs only to God: their unconditional loyalty.

Let me protect against two misunderstandings. The problem is not that we as evangelicals are associated with the Trump administration’s judicial appointments or its advocacy of life, family, and religious liberty. We are happy to celebrate the positive things the administration has accomplished. The problem is that we as evangelicals are also associated with President Trump’s rampant immorality, greed, and corruption; his divisiveness and race-baiting; his cruelty and hostility to immigrants and refugees; and more.In other words, the problem is the wholeheartedness of the embrace.  It is one thing to praise his accomplishments; it is another to excuse and deny his obvious misuses of power.

Similarly, this is neither a criticism of the evangelical Trump voter nor an endorsement of the Democrats. The 2016 election confronted evangelical voters with an impossible dilemma: Vote for a pro-choice candidate whose policies would advance so much of what we oppose, or vote for an extravagantly immoral candidate who could well damage the standing of the republic and the witness of the church. Countless men and women we hold in the highest regard voted for President Trump, some wholeheartedly and some reluctantly.

Friends we love and respect have also counseled and worked within the Trump administration. We believe they are doing their best to serve wisely (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-040817140651.png&hash=c43dc47dbb4ef892fb7c5680dba982b56fdad700) in a fallen world.

We nevertheless believe the evangelical alliance with this presidency has done damage to our witness here and abroad. The cost has been too high. American evangelicalism is not a Republican PAC. We are a diverse movement that should collaborate with political parties when prudent but always standing apart, at a prophetic distance, to be what Martin Luther King, Jr. called “the conscience of the state.” That is what we believe. This is where we plant our flag. We know we are not alone.

Now, to the table. A table is a place of welcome, a place where bread is broken and friendships are forged. In a political landscape dominated by polarization, hostility, and misunderstanding, we believe it’s critical for Christians to model how to have a firm opinion and host free discussion at the same time. Evangelicals of different stripes cannot continue to shout one another down, bully those who disagree, or exclude one another and refuse to listen.

We hold fast to our view that the wholehearted evangelical embrace of Trump has been enormously costly—but we are committed to irenic conversation with men and women of good faith who believe otherwise. (And since an open letter was published even as we were preparing to publish this statement, let me simply say that I appreciate the thoughts it expresses, and I hope this statement too can be the beginning of a dialogue.)

In the words of Proverbs 27:6, “faithful are the wounds of a friend” (ESV). Deeply aware of our own sinfulness and limitations, we are going to invite supporters and critics alike to produce essays agreeing or disagreeing with our stated views. It is time for evangelicals to have a serious discussion about how our identity as Christians shapes our activity as citizens. We will invite authors who represent a variety of viewpoints in a thoughtful and charitable manner. We will publish those essays in mid-January. We hope we can come together in convicted humility and learn from one another.

Now it is time for Christmas. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/2/3-231219234732.png) Christ is still the light that shines upon a people living in darkness. We look forward to resuming the conversation soon.

The flag is planted. The table is set. We invite you to join us at either one. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-111018132422-1693180.gif&hash=8bc43ce7ebff6fb3a70224434834524068d3583c) (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-111018132421-16902.gif&hash=deba9f0f91ecd7d65bbdeb78786bef4a98cb1a7e)

Timothy Dalrymple is president and CEO of Christianity Today.

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Examined Life - Cornel West

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Cornel West excerpts from Examined Life, a 2008 documentary film directed by Astra Taylor. The film features eight influential contemporary philosophers walking around New York and other metropolises and discussing the practical application of their ideas in modern culture.
Title: Napp Nazworth : “I said, if you post this, you’re saying, you’re now on team Trump.”
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Desperate workers have been leaving notes inside of holiday cards, jacket pockets, and purses for years, begging for Western shoppers to send help (https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-sos-notes-retail-items-tesco-zara-saks-2019-12)
businessinsider.com - In 2014, a woman from Northern Ireland said she found a note in a pair of pants from UK fast-fashion retailer Primark alleging slave labor conditions at the Xiang Nan prison in China's central Hubei …

Mike Bloomberg 😈💵🎩 Exploited Prison Labor  to Make 2020 Presidential Campaign Phone Calls (https://theintercept.com/2019/12/24/mike-bloomberg-2020-prison-labor/)

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GOP Lawmaker Plotted Insurrections to Establish Christian State (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/matt-shea-christian-terrorism-washington-report-ammon-bundy.html)
nymag.com - Last year, the chair of the Republican caucus in Washington’s state legislature acknowledged that he had written a manifesto on the “Biblical Basis for War.” In that document, the lawmaker argued tha…

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Those workers in slave labor thankless jobs making clothing, who are putting pleas for help notes in shirt, jacket and pants pockets, says it all about how most humans, many who call themselves "Christians", in the egotistical greed based consumer world, that will read the notes, clutch their pearls or wallets, and continue to buy the clothing, have totally rejected the real meaning of Christmas. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F2%2F3-310119164317.gif&hash=870c66e6ad21133a740ba1583280577f05ccb4ac) My decision a couple of decades ago to stop buying clothes as much as possible was based on frugality. I didn't know how bad things were, and ARE (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-040718162656-14241872.gif&hash=6c39a3206e2b2a3d652adee626b5eee8ab5b15bf) more than ever now, for those making the clothes, though I should have. I urge all people of conscience to STOP consuming slave labor made ANYTHING (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418202709.png&hash=7503265ec59e4c28d735afb762bc39f4674bd838) , not just clothing.

That Intelligencer article about the GOP evil bastard and the pseudo-Christian Crazies (i.e. the Oath Keepers) trying to gin up a "Bible based" Civil War underlines the bizarro level of heinous Bullshit that has been unleashed by those who seek to punish anyone calling themsleves a Christian who call (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-250718205137.gif&hash=7a79df8ecf1b29d8599c26fe550e664c6c5e24bd) Trump and his (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418203402.gif&hash=b2691028ba683a0039a5811f5775c68d7ccae01c) supporters out for being ANTI-Christian. There is a war going on all right, but it is a spiritual war.

The (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-040718162655-14231561.gif&hash=98b427175ee380f6d3c313520cc8668c10f2172a)(https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-270117175421.png&hash=cf39e823dd9156833bfa885808a876bf518bd0d6) pseudo-Christian Trump worshippers are on the wrong side of it. That is what why they want a thoroughly UN-Biblical physical Civil War. This article shows that those with Christian courage will not buckle under the Trumper pseudo-Christian assault now taking place in Christian publications that expose Trump's ANTI-Christian behavior and cruel polices:

Intelligencer (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/matt-shea-christian-terrorism-washington-report-ammon-bundy.html)

12/24/2019

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Journalist Napp Nazworth (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-120818185037-16412296.gif&hash=c8a4038d309a0f49ca4a7a464f30f9a340049cac), who has worked for the Christian Post website since 2011, said he quit his job Monday because the website was planning to publish a pro-Trump editorial that would slam Christianity Today. Nazworth, who sits on the editorial board as politics editor, said the website has sought to represent both sides and published both pro- and anti-Trump stories.

“I never got the gist they were gung-ho Trumpian types,” Nazworth said. “Everything has escalated with the Christianity Today editorial.”

Nazworth, who has been critical of Trump and suggested leaders who supported him have “traded their moral authority,” said he doesn’t know what he will do next.

“I said, if you post this, you’re saying, you’re now on team Trump,” he said. He said he was told that’s what the news outlet wanted to do.

“I’m just shocked that they would go this path,” he said, adding that even though he felt “forced” to make the decision to quit, the parting was a mutual agreement between him and the outlet.

Evangelicals trade moral authority for political gain in defending (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-250718205137.gif&hash=7a79df8ecf1b29d8599c26fe550e664c6c5e24bd) Trump (https://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-trade-moral-authority-for-political-gain-in-defending-trump.html)

The cost of criticizing (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-301216165623.jpeg&hash=1ccfee6aaf9d939cca294a849774cff11e462e59) Trump: Journalist leaves Christian Post amid its plans to attack Christianity Today —Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/12/23/christianity-today-called-trumps-impeachment-why-it-could-cost-magazine/)

Like the first Christmas, when Herod was busy hunting the newborn child to kill him, no matter how many children up to the age of two he had to kill to get the 👹 job done, these are perilous times. Good will eventually prevail, but many will die until it does.

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Title: Evangelicals trade moral authority for political gain in defending Trump
Post by: AGelbert on December 25, 2019, 06:17:04 pm
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. -- 2 Timothy 3 King James Version (KJV)

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President Donald Trump meets with a group of evangelical leaders in the Oval Office on Monday Dec. 11, 2017 in Washington, D.C. He was presented with the "Friends of Zion Award." | (Photo: White House)

Evangelicals trade moral authority for political gain in defending Trump

By Napp Nazworth , Christian Post Reporter| Wednesday, February 06, 2019

Evangelicals who rationalize Donald Trump's misbehavior are sacrificing their moral authority at the altar of politics.

Before the election, I warned my fellow evangelicals to not vote for Trump, that associating with a person of Trump's character would damage us.

"But a revival won't be jumpstarted by voting for Trump, a person whose values are antithetical to all the Church holds dear," I wrote at the time. "If anything, backing Trump will only stunt the growth of the Church in America."

Now, two years into the Trump presidency, I'm sad to report I was correct.

Polling data shows that most white evangelicals have been influenced more by Trump's race-baiting and anti-immigrant rhetoric than the Bible. An October 2017 PRRI survey found that 61 percent of white evangelicals supported Trump's temporary ban on immigration from majority-Muslim countries. A July 2018 PRRI survey found that about half, 52 percent, of white evangelicals decried the trend of America becoming increasingly non-white.

Amid sexual misconduct scandals, Americans are rethinking the wisdom of the sexual revolution and its "anything goes as long as there is consent" sexual ethic. What a wonderful opportunity to point out what conservative Christians have been saying all along — sex is a spiritual act and should be saved for the covenantal devotion of marriage. Instead, many of us are supporting a misogynist who bragged about assaulting women, and paid hush money to a p o r n star and a Playboy bunny. Why should anyone trust us?

One common argument is that, despite all the problems with backing Trump, the alliance will ultimately be fruitful because it will lead to the overturning of Roe v. Wade. This is a powerful argument for pro-lifers, who've worked long and hard to put an end to legalized abortion. Personal sacrifices are certainly worthwhile to stop the death of unborn babies. No one should believe protecting their public persona is more important than this.

But backing Trump won't end abortion. Just the opposite. In aligning with Trump, pro-lifers are only extending the time that will ultimately be required to end abortion because they're losing their moral authority to speak on this issue.

If you use double standards, you are harming your ability to convince others. The reasoning of hypocrites isn't trusted.

Suppose that through Trump's judicial appointments, the Supreme Court achieves a majority willing to overturn Roe. (The odds of this happening appear good after the appointment of Brett Kavanaugh.) Most likely, the Court will not ban abortion nationwide, but return to allowing each state to decide its abortion laws. This means the fight to end abortion will not be over with the overturning of Roe. We would still need to convince the public and state governments that abortion should be illegal.

At its core, the fight for the life of the unborn has always been more about persuasion than legal victories. Foremost, we pro-lifers should be working to convince the public that abortion is wrong, a fetus is a human who should have a chance at life, and there is no such thing as an unwanted baby. While ending Roe would be an important step toward making abortion illegal, doing so while diminishing our moral authority puts us one step forward but two steps back from convincing pregnant moms in crisis to not seek an abortion, and the public that abortion should be illegal.

On another issue that evangelicals care deeply about — Christian persecution — Trump's evangelical supporters have failed to successfully use their access to the president. Trump drastically cut back on the number of refugees able to seek asylum in the U.S. We should try to help all refugees, but notably, many of those for whom Trump  is denying aid are our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Evangelicals urged Trump not to do this, but he did it anyway. So, what have evangelical Trump supporters gained with their access to the president? Have they been swindled by a con artist?

Before Prison Fellowship founder Chuck Colson became a Christian, he was a ruthless political operative who helped Richard Nixon devise his "Silent Majority" strategy. In his 1987 book, Kingdoms in Conflict, he described how he helped Nixon build this silent majority coalition, which included Southern evangelicals.

Colson would bring various leaders to the White House to enthrall them with the mystique of political power. He wrote,

"First, they [evangelical leaders] dined with me in the executive dining room located in the basement of the West Wing. I would escort my guests past saluting guards, down a long corridor lined with dramatic photographs of the president in action, then pause at the door to the dining room, pointing to another door to the right. 'That's the situation room,' I'd say in hushed tones. They all knew of the legendary super-secret national-security nerve center. The very words conjured up images of map-covered walls, whirring computers, and a bevy of generals studying the movements of Soviet aircraft. (Actually, it was then nothing more than a large crowded office with some communications equipment and old charts on the wall ….)"

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"Invariably, the lions of the waiting room became the lambs of the Oval Office," Colson recalled.

The only exception, he said, were labor leaders. Pageantry didn't impress blue collar representatives. Christian leaders, on the other hand, were the most easily duped.

In a paragraph that every evangelical leader should heed in the age of Trump, Colson added,

"Ironically, none were more compliant than the religious leaders. Of all people, they should have been the most aware of the sinful nature of man and the least overwhelmed by pomp and protocol. But theological knowledge sometimes wilts in the face of worldly power."

Evangelical Trump-supporting leaders are making the same mistake today, thinking that this time is different, that they are different, that they can play with fire and not get burned. They are wrong. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418202709.png&hash=7503265ec59e4c28d735afb762bc39f4674bd838)

Colson also recalled how he and Nixon won the support of one particular Christian leader they thought they needed to win certain Northeastern and Midwestern states in the 1972 election. The leader was invited to a private dinner with Nixon on the presidential yacht. In Colson's view, he was an honorable person, and to his credit was able to extract some promises from Nixon during their conversation. Yet, Colson concluded, "even such a wise, honorable, and religious person could not help but be impressed by the trappings of power."

Trump uses some of the same techniques with his Evangelical Advisory Council that Colson and Nixon used on religious leaders of their time.

At one of the White House dinners for these leaders, 😈 Trump gave them an unplanned (or was it?) guided tour of the second floor (the private residence area) of the White House. Many of these leaders expressed their enthusiasm for the personal attention they were given by a sitting president. They "were reduced to being like children," Pastor Greg Laurie said about the experience. At other times, cell phone cameras have documented these pastors' presence with Trump in the Oval Office.

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They tout their access to the president. The mystique of political power trickles down. "My pastor has access to the president," congregants can then say.

In an August 26, 2017 interview with Vox, Terry Heaton, a former producer of Pat Robertson's TV show, "The 700 Club," talked about Robertson's relationship with Trump. The description is remarkably similar to how Colson described Nixon's relationship with Christian leaders of his day.

When asked about Robertson's relationship to Trump, Heaton said,

"I think that’s very, very scary. As smart as Pat Robertson is, and as good as he is at marketing, he is also highly susceptible to his own hype. In that way, Trump plays him like a piano. If you watch his most recent interview, some of the things that Trump says to Pat are really way out there in terms of manipulating Pat. He builds him up like a salesman would, and Pat is susceptible to that, I think. But he wouldn’t be susceptible if Trump didn’t speak the language that Pat wants."

For reasons I've laid out above, I don't think evangelical leaders should align themselves with Trump or participate in his evangelical advisory board. But I recognize the decision would be difficult if offered a position, and some good can be accomplished on the Board, if they are willing to exert their influence.

For those who have chosen to be on the board, I offer this advice:

1) Don't participate in public events, such as signing ceremonies.

2) Stop snapping photos with Trump, especially during a prayer, and sharing them on social media.
 
3) You don't have to share what you say to him privately, but don't feel obligated to defend him publicly.

4) Criticize him publicly when he does something wrong.


Evangelical Trump supporters will continue to face a choice between God's values and Trump's values. Will they face the fiery furnace? Are they prepared to be thrown to the lions? Unlike Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, they wouldn't face the death penalty for opposing their political leader, but they do face a loss of moral authority for supporting him. Will they have the courage to publicly oppose Trump when he offends God's values? All evangelicals, not just those close to Trump, must ask themselves this question in the age of Trump.

Adapted from the author's book in progress.

The Christian Post published a response to this op-ed by Michael Brown on Thursday.


https://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-trade-moral-authority-for-political-gain-in-defending-trump.html

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Agelbert NOTE: (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013201314.png&hash=0715eb72631014310634eb56176ff860c6d542f6) Pat Robertson gets along quite well with 🦀 Trump because they are both birds of exactly the same GRIFTER CON ARTIST "feather". That goes for every single opportunistic preacher hellspawn on (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F1%2F3-250718205137.gif&hash=7a79df8ecf1b29d8599c26fe550e664c6c5e24bd) Trump's (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-311013200859.png&hash=a7aaaa9f04c1e3e2c948723b5f8c13fe814dacd4) "Evangelical" Advisory Council.

Napp Nazworth, a Christian who walks the talk, just quit his job at the "Christian" Post because they went full pro-Trump in attacking Christianity Today's pro-impeachment stance (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/who-can-you-trust/corporate-fascist-corruption-of-christianity/msg14958/#msg14958). The Christian Post caved to evil. It is now the Pseudo-Christian Post. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sherv.net%2Fcm%2Femoticons%2Fsick%2Fbarfing-smiley-emoticon.gif&hash=36f6791510582d9f9f48af1d4d1a006a5681103b)


The lines are being drawn between who the REAL Christians are and the lovers of themselves and this world, passing as "Christians". Make sure you are on the right side of this spiritual battle. God is NOT mocked.

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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: Surly1 on December 26, 2019, 07:17:54 am
Have come across the Napp Nazworth story in other media and find this interesting. Wonder how this will end up-- and if a schism in the evangelical right will open for 2020.
Title: Re: Napp Nazworth story
Post by: AGelbert on December 26, 2019, 09:20:08 pm
Have come across the Napp Nazworth story in other media and find this interesting. Wonder how this will end up-- and if a schism in the evangelical right will open for 2020.

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Title: Re: Napp Nazworth story
Post by: Surly1 on December 27, 2019, 08:47:29 am
Have come across the Napp Nazworth story in other media and find this interesting. Wonder how this will end up-- and if a schism in the evangelical right will open for 2020.

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‘Civil war’ among evangelicals is the last thing Trump needs (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/civil-war-among-evangelicals-the-last-thing-trump-needs?cid=sm_fb_maddow&fbclid=IwAR2rlmk9ENp2cYEnzYWMrD8QkOWS6Rs6hbC_CDgY8WmwvLnQS-T0XR1O0eQ)
12/26/19 10:45 AM
By Steve Benen
Christianity Today, one of the nation’s leading evangelical publications, published a striking editorial last week, condemning Donald Trump’s actions in the Ukraine scandal as “profoundly immoral” and the president himself as “morally lost and confused.” It added, “The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration.”

It wasn’t long before the Republican returned fire, not by defending his actions or his principles, but by insisting he’s delivered on the evangelical community’s political goals – which in Trump’s mind, entitles him to support from evangelical publications.

But stepping back, the president wasn’t just bothered by a critical editorial; he also seemed concerned about a division among politically active Christian evangelicals, whose support he sees as a core element of his Republican base. As he heads into a re-election year, Trump expects this voting bloc to march in lock step behind him, and the Christianity Today’s editorial represented dissension the president apparently sees as dangerous.

It was against this backdrop that a rival publication, the Christian Post, published a rebuttal, accusing Christianity Today of, among other things, adopting an “elitist posture.” As the New York Times reported, this led a Christian Post editor, Napp Nazworth, to resign in protest.

In an interview on Tuesday evening, Mr. Nazworth said he wanted the publication’s politics section “to be an open space for both sides.” He said the site had worked to include voices that praised and criticized the president, and he objected to labeling the column as an editorial representing the site’s opinion.

“There was an impasse. We couldn’t find a compromise,” he said. “I said, ‘If this is what you represent, you’re announcing that The Christian Post is joining Team Trump.’”

The Post, it’s worth noting for context, did run an opinion piece from a contributor this past weekend, arguing that the Senate should convict Trump and remove him from office, because the U.S. Constitution “is more important than abortion.”

It’s all part of what the Daily Beast described as “a spiraling evangelical Christian civil war” over Trump, his misdeeds, and the proper response from the faith community.

And while it’s best not to overstate matters – polling suggests Trump’s support among evangelical Christians is much higher than among Americans in general – these divisions and public conflicts are exactly what the president’s re-election campaign hoped to avoid.

For his part, the Washington Post’s Michael Gerson wrote in his latest column, “Christians are called to be representatives of God’s kingdom in the life of this world. Betraying that role not only hurts the reputation of evangelicalism; it does a nasty disservice to the reputation of the Gospel.”

That’s almost certainly not what the White House wants to hear.

Postscript: Trump attended Christmas Eve services at an evangelical church in south Florida this week, rather than the more progressive church near Mar-a-Lago where he and First Lady Melania Trump were married. As the Palm Beach Post added, “It is unlikely that the first-couple’s absence from Bethesda-by-the-Sea Episcopal Church in Palm Beach and surprise appearance at Family Church Downtown gained or lost the president votes among either congregation.”
Title: "There is always time to change. Obviously a lot of damage has been done, and it will be very slow t
Post by: AGelbert on December 30, 2019, 12:57:08 pm
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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on January 04, 2020, 09:16:46 pm
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Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on January 04, 2020, 09:25:36 pm
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Title: "... twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."
Post by: AGelbert on January 15, 2020, 12:42:32 pm
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. - Matthew 23:15
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on January 17, 2020, 07:46:39 pm
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Title: Corporate Fascist (🐘) Corruption of Christianity
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Title: Hymn for the 81% (of "Evangelicals" who voted for 😈 Trump)
Post by: AGelbert on February 01, 2020, 12:45:09 am
Hymn for the 81%
525,162 views•Jan 12, 2020

https://youtu.be/3GT-LfLpzzo

🕊 Daniel Deitrich

In 2016, 81% of white evangelical Christians voted for 🦀 Donald Trump after (among other things) hearing an audio recording of him bragging about sexually assaulting women. >:(

Maya Angelou famously said, “when someone shows you who they (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fstyles%2Frenewablerevolution%2Ffiles%2F809_84688966.jpeg&hash=7f3e84eea23fef901b7df618784dc2005290f591) are, believe them the first time.” (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenewablerevolution.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-130418202709.png&hash=7503265ec59e4c28d735afb762bc39f4674bd838)

In the years since, even after enacting deliberately cruel policies to rip families apart and put children in cages at the southern border, evangelical support is as fervent as ever. >:(

I was raised in the Evangelical world. It shaped me. I learned to take the words of Jesus seriously - love God, love your neighbor, feed the hungry, fight for justice for the oppressed. I thought that things like love, kindness, gentleness, and self-control MATTERED. I have been so confused and deeply saddened by the unflinching loyalty to a 🦀 man who so clearly embodies the opposite of these values.

This song is a lament. It's a loving rebuke. It's a plea for the 81%, to come home to the way of Jesus.

Danieldeitrich.com
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Agelbert NOTE: This hymn brought tears to my eyes. I am so angry at this moment about the Republican Impeachment Trial charade that it is a very good thing that I have none of those "Evangelical" pharisees in the 81% within spitting range. May God forgive this murderous rage I am feeling and help me to accept the sad reality that most of those 81% are apostate bastards beyond help, and my bitterness and rage at their embrace of the satanic tool now in the White House does me no good at all. This too will pass.

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God Bless Daniel Deitrich. I pray to God that his hymn will reach some of those among the 81% that are not beyond help, Amen.   
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on February 02, 2020, 04:39:50 pm

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Jim Bakker To Christians: You Must Love Trump To Prove You're 'Saved' (https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/jim-bakker-trump-saved-054130880.html)

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Anyone, like Pharisee (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.createaforum.com%2Fgallery%2Frenewablerevolution%2F3-241013183046.jpeg&hash=51c9c4f17e747698c76c65c7c1814eff4f32c400) Jim Bakker, who claims "You must love Trump to prove you are saved" is one of 😈 those who, not only delude themselves into thinking they can enter via the Broad Gate, but are a Judas Goat leading others to perdition.

Matthew 7:13-20

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Title: Re: Corporate Fascist Corruption of Christianity
Post by: AGelbert on February 03, 2020, 01:55:37 pm

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Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

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In US news and current events today, Pres. Trump's faith adviser is fundraising during the pandemic. Paula White is Trump’s spiritual adviser and head of the White House’s Faith and Opportunity Initiative.

White was scheduled to headline an April 2020 religious gathering that promised attendees ‘spiritual protections’ against the coronavirus. The gathering was canceled following CDC guidance against holding events with more than 50 people. There is no cure
for the coronavirus.

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