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AGelbert

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Re: Science
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2015, 01:10:54 am »
UFOs and DEACTIVATED MISSLES: The TRUTH and the LIES told about those who told the TRUTH

Gentlemen of the jury, we are faced with the hearsay testimony of James Carlson through his father Eric Carlson versus the testimony of:

2)Dr. Patrick McDonough

1) Retired Lt. Col. Dwynne Arneson

2) Former Captain Robert Salas

3)A former missile targeting officer, then-Lt. Robert Jamison

and

4) Col. Walter Figel.

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Eric Carlson was one of two missile launch officers who were present at Malmstrom’s Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, when all 10 of their ICBMs shut down. 

While the senior Carlson claims not to remember any mention of a UFO being present at the time, the other officer, now-retired Col. Walter Figel, has told me (Hastings), and Salas, that he received a report of a “large, round” UFO hovering over one of the missile sites just moments after it failed, and shortly before the other nine malfunctioned as well. Figel also verified that other security personnel subsequently corroborated the presence of the UFO. All of these admissions are on audio tape and one may listen to them via links in my article “The Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt”, posted at The UFO Chronicles website.

Unfortunately, James T. Carlson believes his father’s version of events—that no UFOs were present at Echo Flight when the missiles went down—and has spent the last two years slandering and libeling anyone who contradicts this claim. James has further alleged that Bob Salas has completely fabricated the story of his own involvement in a second shutdown incident, at Oscar Flight, even though the other officer present at the time, retired Col. Fred Meiwald, has verified its reality.

The following is actual e-mail correspondence from Ray Fowler to James Carlson. After the posted correspondence you will find a Hastings comment that Ashvin will, no doubt, claim is evidence of bias (Read the main post by Hastings requesting info that I am posting beneath the correspondence to see that Hastings is not being biased or defamatory. )

This exchange was posted in UFO Magazine so Ashvin will claim it is not credible. Nevertheless, the e-mail rebuttal is factual evidence. Carlson has not been able to counter Fowler's assertions and accusations of deliberate falsehoods by Carlson on the notes Fowler himself sent to Carlson in DEFENSE of Salas's claims.
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Rebuttal to Carlson from Ray Fowler:

James Carlson wrote: "Thanks to Raymond Fowler sending me all of his notes on the subject, going back to 1967 and including his correspondence to Salas in 1996, you can rest assured that I will prove that you and Salas are lying, and have been doing so for years."


Ray Fowler responds:

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: James Carlson re: Ray Fowler’s notes on Minuteman shutdowns during UFO presence
From: "Raymond Fowler" <rfowler400@null>
Date: Sat, October 23, 2010 7:32 pm
To: lesleyinnm@gmail.com
 "Bob Hastings" <hastings@kitcarson.net>
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Hi,

I was recently sent something that James Carlson [posted on] your blog regarding some notes that I sent him to straighten him out re: his calling Salas a liar. I felt that I should respond.

I was under the strong impression that my notes defused Carlson's argument and attack on Bob Hastings. [The notes] read that because of my work on Minuteman, I had contact with contractors and subcontractors at Malmstrom who told me that Echo Flight had been shut down while a UFO was overhead.

They also mention that other UFO events were taking place on-site and that I had conversations with two ICBM officers [who] told me that their Launch Control Facility was affected by UFOs over the site. One event at Minot involved interruption of LCF equipment. The UFO was tracked on radar, it appeared to land and strike teams radio's were affected when they approached it. Jets were scrambled but could not catch the UFO. Dr. Hynek wrote about this event in the Saturday Evening Post and he had access to the USAF report. The ICBM officer that co-manned the Launch Control Facility visited Sylvania and when I was introduced to him by our contracts manager, the manager joked that I was interested in UFOs. The ICBM Officer said that UFOs were not a joke and proceed to tell us about the event above. The other ICBM officer had retired from the USAF and joined Sylvania. He found out that I was interested in UFOs and proceed to tell me that his Flight of Missiles went down sometime in 1966 when a UFO was overhead.

The other notes show that Salas had made an honest mistake by stating earlier that he was in Echo Flight during its shutdown. He assumed this because he years later read about my notes and concluded that this was the flight that he manned. Later, as you read the notes, Salas made enquires to others who were on base and found that he was in another flight that had gone down. It was an honest mistake.

I told Carlson that when I worked for the USAF/NSA, monitoring the Russians, that a number of memorable events happened but because of the distance of time, I could not remember who I was working with or what shift I was working, etc. Carlson calls Salas a liar because of a memory lapse which he later corrected. I think that Carlson protests too much and for some reason unknown to me is going out of the way to debunk UFOs no matter what the evidence. I corresponded with him for awhile but gave up in frustration because of his highly emotional responses and his unfairly calling Salas [a liar]. I think my notes have struck some kind of a emotional chord with him to come on so strong on the UFO Magazine Blog. I would like to see how he could prove Salas a liar by using my notes. I am convinced that any objective person reading them could never come to such a conclusion.

Best,
Ray Fowler


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From Robert Hastings...


This is classic James T. Carlson. Fowler tells him "White" but James hears "Black." In James' world, up is down, left is right, and the sky is green not blue. But rather than seeking professional help, James goes on twisting facts with his twisted mind, and libels anyone who doesn't buy into his fantasies.

Robert Hastings


Now for the lead post from Hastings that led to the information posted by Fowler debunking Carlson's mendacity:
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The James T. Carlson Problem   

Robert Hastings Requests Your Assistance   

By Robert Hastings   www.ufohastings.com   

 

Over the past 37 years I have interviewed more than 120 former or retired U.S. military personnel regarding their knowledge of UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites during the Cold War era. On September 27, 2010, seven of those individuals participated in a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. to discuss their personal experiences in such cases. The event was streamed live by CNN and thousands of articles and broadcast news stories—the great majority of them accurate and objective—have been generated worldwide over the past month.   Four of the press conference participants discussed UFO activity at Malmstrom AFB’s ICBM sites in 1966-67:   Dr. Patrick McDonough revealed that one night, while working as an Air Force geodetic surveyor at a not-yet activated missile site, a disc-shaped UFO had raced in and briefly hovered, silently, some 300-feet above his head. 

Retired Lt. Col. Dwynne Arneson, the Officer-in-Charge of the 28th Air Division’s Communications Center at Malmstrom in 1967, told of reading a secret message about a UFO hovering over a missile site just before it and nine other ICBMs mysteriously malfunctioned.

 
 Former Captain Robert Salas, a missile launch officer at Malmstrom, spoke of being on alert at a 10-missile group designated Oscar Flight, probably on March 24, 1967, when his missiles failed—moments after his head security guard had called the launch capsule to report a glowing oval-shaped object hovering over the Launch Control Facility. Salas has publicly spoken about this incident since 1995 and was the co-sponsor of the press conference. 

Finally, a former missile targeting officer, then-Lt. Robert Jamison, spoke of being involved in the re-start (retargeting) of the Oscar Flight missiles. Jamison said that all of the targeting teams involved in the action were briefed before going to the missile sites and were explicitly told that UFOs had been involved in the ICBM shutdowns.   All of these individuals spoke out because they believe, as do I, that the U.S. government needs to be candid with the American people, and humans everywhere, about the reality of the UFO phenomenon and, in particular, the UFO-Nukes Connection. 

Now, although these courageous individuals have come forward and divulged their involvement in still-classified incidents, in the hope of raising public awareness, a UFO debunker named James T. Carlson has been posting countless items online over the past two years, calling these veterans (and others who were involved in the missile shutdown incidents) liars, or worse. In particular, Bob Salas and I have been singled-out for his wrath. Carlson’s father, Eric Carlson, was one of two missile launch officers who were present at Malmstrom’s Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, when all 10 of their ICBMs shut down. 

While the senior Carlson claims not to remember any mention of a UFO being present at the time, the other officer, now-retired Col. Walter Figel, has told me, and Salas, that he received a report of a “large, round” UFO hovering over one of the missile sites just moments after it failed, and shortly before the other nine malfunctioned as well. Figel also verified that other security personnel subsequently corroborated the presence of the UFO. All of these admissions are on audio tape and one may listen to them via links in my article “The Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt”, posted at The UFO Chronicles website.

Unfortunately, James T. Carlson believes his father’s version of events—that no UFOs were present at Echo Flight when the missiles went down—and has spent the last two years slandering and libeling anyone who contradicts this claim. James has further alleged that Bob Salas has completely fabricated the story of his own involvement in a second shutdown incident, at Oscar Flight, even though the other officer present at the time, retired Col. Fred Meiwald, has verified its reality.

 
 In any case, the time has come for me to take inventory, in preparation for a possible legal action: While I am aware of numerous posts by James Carlson about all of this—on blogs at several websites—I’m certain that I’ve missed many more, given that they run into the hundreds at this point. So, I am seeking the reader’s assistance: 

I am asking that persons who want to the truth about the incidents at Malmstrom AFB in 1967 to be established—once and for all—to scour the Internet and locate posts in which Carlson has referred to me (or Bob Salas) as a “fraud”, a “liar” a “hoaxer” or similar defamatory terms.  I am also interested in posts where James claims that he has “proved” that Mr. Salas and I have misrepresented the facts.

Those willing to assist me in this regard should send me links to the offending posts via ufohastings@aol.com.   Thank you. 

Robert Hastings
http://ufomagazine.squarespace.com/ufo-magazine/2010/10/23/the-james-t-carlson-problem.html

Is James Carlson a credible debunker of the testimony of all the persons above, including Salas ?

 




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