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Ashvin said,
I distinctly remember even at that age sharing this internal feeling of rage with George who viewed their culture as both easy and degenerate. I view modern culture through this same lens.  We have in essence forgotten everything that was truly important and replaced it with with spiritual opium meant to make us feel good rather than to mature us or make us stronger.

As much as it may pain people like Michael Tsarion, John Lash, Jay Weidner, and Joseph Chiappalone all who claim to be “Gnostics”, we are here to be forged in the fires and trials of life so that when the time comes we are able and worthy to behold the face of eternity without turning away in shame.

Well said. I totally agree, not because of Az's fanciful idea that we are locked in groupthink, but because, nearing 70 years old, I HAVE tried out a lot of these belief systems seriously and found them wanting. And when I try something, I go for it 100%. I have the physical and mental scars to prove it.

I will add to what you said that a central issue here is the question of motive. Does a human seek comfort and bliss or Truth? New agers of all stripes claim that is one and the same. We know better. We know, from hard experience, that genuinely seeking the truth is PAINFUL. But that just gets us labeled as masochists by those who basically respond biologically, not spiritually, to spiritual truths.

That is, they AVOID PAIN like the plague and will go into every possible logical chain of unprovable, but nice sounding, premises they can come up with to justify comfort and bliss as EQUAL to Truth and any "groupthink" that does NOT put Homo SAP in the top dog position and advocates personal sacrifice in the service of a personal God is "ridiculous".

When the "ridiculous" label appears too transparently RIDICULOUS, then they go for the "you are being suckered by evil" meme in perfect Orwellian speak.  :evil4:
The adjective "ridiculous" is ad hominem baloney. f you disagree, argue the merits rather than cast aspersions on the narrative or the narrator.

Surly & GO,
Agreed. All this talk of aliens and reptiles are side issues that always come off as buck passing to me. The sin buck stops at Homo SAP. Many Homo SAPs just DO NOT WANT TO GO THERE. Submitting to a higher authority is just not their thing. And the very idea that said Higher Authority requires worship and obedience when that is "ridiculous" for a Supreme Being (all these new Agers of course know exactly how a Supreme Being should think because they are well on their way to Supreme Beingdom!  ;D ). And they are humble too...

Yes, they agree, the world is all **** up, but that's not their fault or some sky God's fault either... All that evil stuff going on out there has nothing to do with human fallen nature of fairy stories about sin and guilt, etc. That's just ridiculous and so boring.

The common thread in ALL belief systems that reject the existence of a Supreme Being that we owe our existence to is that they do not DO guilt, remorse or acceptance of Homo SAP as a sinful fallen being. We are just nice chumps in a random universe and the bad "____fill in this blank with ANY entity as long as it ain't human___ ;)_____" are ruining our spiritual, happiness and bliss by various sneaky techniques that we must banish from our threatened Homo Sapiness so we can all live happily ever after.  And these folks have the brass to claim Christians believe in fanciful fairy tales!  ::)

And when they read what I just posted, they do the Orwellian two-step and claim that is exactly what Christian "groupthinking robots" do!

It's "perfectly logical" that we can be puppets of reptilians/ETs/groupthink herd following/fear of death escapism/cowardice/mother-in-laws (just kidding!  ;D) and other dark evil forces "out there" in the twilight zone of the random multiplex of universes but it's "just silly" to believe that there is ONE God who has a plan for our salvation in a fallen world. ::)

Ashvin, I suggest you dwell on the subject of guilt. The responses (or lack of them) are quite revealing of the willingness of the debater to be objective about the human condition and the disposition (or lack of it) od the debater to seek the Truth.  8)

In summary, I wish to say that Christianity, as Homo Saps practice it, is far from perfect; but in belief systems, it's way ahead of whatever is in second place.  :icon_sunny:

Te conozco bacalao, aunque vengas disfrazado.

Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:
For the Lord will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them. Pr. 22:22-23


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