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Re: Intelligence
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2014, 06:18:03 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2014, 06:31:15 pm »
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Re: Intelligence
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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2015, 07:04:24 pm »


"A herd of elephants stayed in silence for two days after the death of Lawrence Anthony – the man who saved them. Exactly one year after his death, to the day, the herd marched to his house again. It is something that science cannot explain."



Yep. Science is WOEFULLY anthropocentric in its bias towards animals. IOW, "science" is NOT objective in rating animal intelligence, empathy and memory BECAUSE it has been sold on the "apex predator = clever, scheming, conscience free plunderer for resources" world view that Darwin's Standard Theory of Evolution (SET) pushes.

Gentle, social animals are NOT considered that "intelligent". That is a huge mistake. Maybe someday, science will get its head out of its Darwinian predator worshipping ass.
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For as much as we empathize with our canines, we have been stingy about recognizing empathy elsewhere in the animal kingdom, reserving it as a human trait.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-animals-feel-empathy/
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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2015, 09:10:48 pm »
Crows are very smart.  8)

An 8-year-old girl receives gifts from the crows she feeds  ;D

By Walter Einenkel for weinenkel
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Eight-year-old Gabi Mann has been feeding crows in her family's Seattle backyard garden for about four years now. It started as an accident:

Gabi's relationship with the neighborhood crows began accidentally in 2011. She was four years old, and prone to dropping food. She'd get out of the car, and a chicken nugget would tumble off her lap. A crow would rush in to recover it. Soon, the crows were watching for her, hoping for another bite.
As she got older, she rewarded their attention, by sharing her packed lunch on the way to the bus stop. Her brother joined in. Soon, crows were lining up in the afternoon to greet Gabi's bus, hoping for another feeding session.

A couple of years later, Gabi and her sister began setting out food for the crows on a daily basis. It was after this ritual began that gifts started to appear.

The crows would clear the feeder of peanuts, and leave shiny trinkets on the empty tray; an earring, a hinge, a polished rock. There wasn't a pattern. Gifts showed up sporadically - anything shiny and small enough to fit in a crow's mouth.
One time it was a tiny piece of metal with the word "best" printed on it. "I don't know if they still have the part that says 'friend'," Gabi laughs, amused by the thought of a crow wearing a matching necklace.

There has been ample research done over the past few decades that show that birds, specifically crows, are considerably more intelligent than first thought. As for Gabi's gifts?

No doubt, Gabi's collection is quite impressive. She considers them her treasures, and she meticulously stores, labels, and categorizes each object in a bead storage container. One bag contains a broken light bulb with the caption, "Black table by feeder. 2:30 p.m. 09 Nov 2014." Other objects include paperclips, buttons, earrings, and worn glass. One trinket, a screw, is marked as "third favorite," because as Gabi puts it, "You don't see a crow carrying around a screw that much. Unless it's trying to build its house." 

Pictures of Gabi and Grateful Crow Gifts at link: 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/03/1368072/-An-8-year-old-girl-receives-gifts-from-the-crows-she-feeds

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2017, 02:23:09 pm »
This dog is so smart he has figured out a way to train his trainer to be nice.  ;D

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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2018, 03:20:51 pm »
Amazing Octopus - Most Intelligent Animal on Earth?

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Published on Aug 28, 2016

An incredible exploration of one of the ocean's most complex and enigmatic creatures, and a reminder why these beautiful animals should be protected and studied, not served at Sushi restaurants. 

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How has the octopus become so intelligent and capable of thinking in the abstract? Watch fascinating and often hilarious experiments to see just how smart they are.

After this video, you'll never think about the octopus the same.

In this fascinating documentary we get to see how octopuses behave in the wild too. Off the coast of Vancouver Island, underwater divers are watched by a huge octopus - a ghost like creature that lurks until it feels it's safe to emerge and be seen. It's an eerie encounter.

The octopus uses cognitive reasoning to make deductions and understand its environment. It can shape shift, change color and texture on the fly to blend in with its surroundings to become either predator or defend itself from becoming prey.

In one experiment we see an octopus wrap its tentacles around a screw-top jar that has a crab inside it. In slow but determined fashion, the octopus successfully opens the jar to get to its prey. The jar is unlike anything it would encounter in the wild - the octopus has used cognitive reasoning, not instinct, to catch its well-deserved lunch.

The octopus has lived side-by-side with humankind from our earliest days. But it's only now that we're beginning to unravel the animal's secrets, and the extent of its formidable brain-power.

Watch as an octopus slips out of its tank and slithers casually across a concrete floor. Is it making a break for freedom? Not at all. It knows that its prey is just a short distance away in another tank.

As we learn, the octopus can move on land as well as underwater and the little round trip it has taken is not just to get from point A to point B. It's also taking this little detour because it's curious about the world it is living in.

It's hard to believe that this animal is simply a mollusk. As far as his family tree goes, the octopus is more closely related to an oyster or a snail than to any other species of animal.

And yet, as octopuses behave like shape shifters, moving in and out of tiny openings to get their reward, they are working out solutions the way humans do.

They are able to think in the abstract.

Amazingly, with all its powerful traits, the octopus has never become king of the sea. Researchers think that it's because of the female's short life span.

They give up everything, including their life, for their eggs. 

Just how has an animal that is so different from humans become so intelligent?

From Spain to Vancouver Island and finally to Capri, Italy, follow scientists as they try to understand how the octopus has evolved to have such intelligence, even by our standards.

#Octopus
#IntelligentOctopus
#OctopusIntelligence
#AmazingOctopus

Agelbert NOTE: The high intelligence of the Octopus, a cephalopod, makes a mockery of the Phenetics (overall similarities) based taxonomy that evolutionist Darwin worshipping scientists have relegated it to in the mollusk family. The claim that the short life span has limited its intellectual development is pure speculation. Another cephalopod called the Chambered Nautilus, known as a "living fossil" because it, uh, hasn't "evolved" for millions and millions of years  ;D, is VERY LONG LIVED.

A cephalopod is any member of the molluscan class Cephalopoda such as a squid, octopus or nautilus.

The Chambered Nautilus has not gotten any smarter, despite its longevity.

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Unlike most other cephalopods that have a short life span, the chambered nautilus can live 16 or more years.

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Chambered nautili are known as living fossils because they have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years.In 1997-98 paleontologists used DNA techniques to compare tissues from today’s animals to those of millions-of-years-old fossil nautiloids, dating to the time when California and Washington State were under the ocean. These studies confirmed the belief that the species Nautilus pompilius is a living fossil. The chambered nautilus (Allonautilus and Nautilus species) is the only living descendent of a group of ocean creatures that thrived in the seas 500 million years ago when the earth’s continents were still forming. It is even older than the dinosaurs!

http://www.aquariumofpacific.org/onlinelearningcenter/species/chambered_nautilus
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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2018, 10:48:58 pm »
Amazing Octopus - Most Intelligent Animal on Earth?

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Published on Aug 28, 2016

An incredible exploration of one of the ocean's most complex and enigmatic creatures, and a reminder why these beautiful animals should be protected and studied, not served at Sushi restaurants. 

Better audio and editing:  https://youtu.be/GJor1sk_JDI

Share this video with the world.

How has the octopus become so intelligent and capable of thinking in the abstract? Watch fascinating and often hilarious experiments to see just how smart they are.

After this video, you'll never think about the octopus the same.

In this fascinating documentary we get to see how octopuses behave in the wild too. Off the coast of Vancouver Island, underwater divers are watched by a huge octopus - a ghost like creature that lurks until it feels it's safe to emerge and be seen. It's an eerie encounter.

The octopus uses cognitive reasoning to make deductions and understand its environment. It can shape shift, change color and texture on the fly to blend in with its surroundings to become either predator or defend itself from becoming prey.

In one experiment we see an octopus wrap its tentacles around a screw-top jar that has a crab inside it. In slow but determined fashion, the octopus successfully opens the jar to get to its prey. The jar is unlike anything it would encounter in the wild - the octopus has used cognitive reasoning, not instinct, to catch its well-deserved lunch.

The octopus has lived side-by-side with humankind from our earliest days. But it's only now that we're beginning to unravel the animal's secrets, and the extent of its formidable brain-power.

Watch as an octopus slips out of its tank and slithers casually across a concrete floor. Is it making a break for freedom? Not at all. It knows that its prey is just a short distance away in another tank.

As we learn, the octopus can move on land as well as underwater and the little round trip it has taken is not just to get from point A to point B. It's also taking this little detour because it's curious about the world it is living in.

It's hard to believe that this animal is simply a mollusk. As far as his family tree goes, the octopus is more closely related to an oyster or a snail than to any other species of animal.

And yet, as octopuses behave like shape shifters, moving in and out of tiny openings to get their reward, they are working out solutions the way humans do.

They are able to think in the abstract.

Amazingly, with all its powerful traits, the octopus has never become king of the sea. Researchers think that it's because of the female's short life span.

They give up everything, including their life, for their eggs. 

Just how has an animal that is so different from humans become so intelligent?

From Spain to Vancouver Island and finally to Capri, Italy, follow scientists as they try to understand how the octopus has evolved to have such intelligence, even by our standards.

#Octopus
#IntelligentOctopus
#OctopusIntelligence
#AmazingOctopus

Agelbert NOTE: The high intelligence of the Octopus, a cephalopod, makes a mockery of the Phenetics (overall similarities) based taxonomy that evolutionist Darwin worshipping scientists have relegated it to in the mollusk family. The claim that the short life span has limited its intellectual development is pure speculation. Another cephalopod called the Chambered Nautilus, known as a "living fossil" because it, uh, hasn't "evolved" for millions and millions of years  ;D, is VERY LONG LIVED.

A cephalopod is any member of the molluscan class Cephalopoda such as a squid, octopus or nautilus.

The Chambered Nautilus has not gotten any smarter, despite its longevity.

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Unlike most other cephalopods that have a short life span, the chambered nautilus can live 16 or more years.

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Chambered nautili are known as living fossils because they have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years.In 1997-98 paleontologists used DNA techniques to compare tissues from today’s animals to those of millions-of-years-old fossil nautiloids, dating to the time when California and Washington State were under the ocean. These studies confirmed the belief that the species Nautilus pompilius is a living fossil. The chambered nautilus (Allonautilus and Nautilus species) is the only living descendent of a group of ocean creatures that thrived in the seas 500 million years ago when the earth’s continents were still forming. It is even older than the dinosaurs!

http://www.aquariumofpacific.org/onlinelearningcenter/species/chambered_nautilus


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AG: The high intelligence of the Octopus, a cephalopod, makes a mockery of the Phenetics (overall similarities) based taxonomy that evolutionist Darwin worshipping scientists have relegated it to in the mollusk family.

"Relegated" is your disparaging word, not the words used by "Darwinian worshiping scientists".  Grouping creatures by overall similarities was a good idea, proposed by Linnaeus in 1735 and still in use today.  No one embarrassed if the Linnean taxonomy has to be revised.  At the time the mechanism for HOW offspring came to be like their parents was unknown, but was later shown to be by the mixing of genes in DNA. Techniques for gene mapping have shown the octopus shares a great many genes with other members of the mollusc family, even more with squids and even more amongst the various species of octopus.  No one is embarrassed about the mollusc linkage, and the outrage over Homo being closely related to Pongo, Pan and Gorilla as proposed by Darwin was overcome by the weight of evidence in favour of it, as opposed to the hubris of religious teachings.

Humans don't know (yet) how we acquired curiosity, so obviously we don't know how octopuses acquired it.  But whatever the mechanism, we would expect to find it in both Homo and Octopoda.  It will involve DNA, no doubt.

I am painfully familiar with the incredibly simple minded and reductionist Linnaeus system of Taxonomy, Mr. Pedant. I had "discussions" with my Zoology teacher about the classification of arachnids versus the insects, something I won't go into now. A "good idea" needs to be ejected when it is proven erroneous in many areas. The fact that it is still, largely (the DNA studies have shown many species to be wrongly classified  ;D) in use today is a testament, not to its importance and validity, but to the rigidity of the ivory tower academics backing it. Of course, you are most certain that they know what they are talking about and rushed to the defense of these "paragons of honesty and scientific acumen".

Your comment is interesting. I am allegedly unreasonably "disparaging" in my comment but you, by repeatedly expressing gross general assumptions about taxonomy and species lineage with "no one is embarrassed" or thinks this or that but those mentally stunted by "hubris" filled religious teachings is, of course, not offensive or disparaging. ::) It is clear you did not watch the entire video. If you had, you would not be making such statements.

On the one hand you are "humble" enough to admit that humans "don't know" how we acquired curiosity, but finish your display of "humility" with the professorially pedantic, "no doubt". It must be nice to live in a pretzel world logic of such amazing asurrance about what is, and what is not "known". So, DNA will give us the answer, will it? Deoxyribonucleic acid is in every single cell of living organisms, so I would beg to differ. The answer, if and when they find it, will probably be in the signaling and storage biochemistry of Cephalopod neurons in which a similar matrix pattern to human thought exists, but I'm sure they will check with you first before publishing the paper to make sure Darwininan worship of Evolution Theory is not compromised.

Palloy, you are an amazing fellow. Have a nice day and try watching the full video when you get a chance.
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Re: Intelligence
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2018, 11:19:53 pm »
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AG: So, DNA will give us the answer, will it? Deoxyribonucleic acid is in every single cell of living organisms, so I would beg to differ. The answer, if and when they find it, will probably be in the signaling and storage biochemistry of Cephalopod neurons in which a similar matrix pattern to human thought exists, ...

That doesn't make sense.

DNA controls how all cells develop and work, so if the answer is to be found in octopus neurons' networks, then of course it is going to be due to DNA.


Perhaps it doesn't make sense to YOU because you are fixated on nature instead of environment in regard to the development of intelligence. Of course the code of the genetics will produce the general pattern, BUT, the pattern must be observed biochemically BEFORE embryology studies to find out exactly WHICH Gene coding sequence is involved in the process of commanding the manufacture of the neuronic network. It is quite possible that only a certain ENVIRONMENT will stimulate latent intelligence activity while the absence of said environment will not in two genetically identical octopus cephalods. THAT was what the neuroscientist was suspecting in the video.


The octopus is apparently ADAPTING to new environmental conditions from a PRE-EXISTING genetic code. THAT is NOT "evolution". There is NO NEW DNA. That is ADAPTATION.

Evolutionists have a penchant for deliberately confusing adaptation with evolution. That is understandable. They have great difficulties with DNA sequences that just SAT THERE (they used to be called them "nonsence or junk" DNA until they were embarrassed into no longer calling this fully functional, though not always protein coding, DNA as an integral part of the original organism) for no reason. This previously silent DNA suddenly begins coding up some adaptation when triggered by the environment.

"Dormant" DNA is anathema to evolutionists for obvious reasons. If there is no CHANGE in DNA = no
 mutation = no evolution = a package NOT the result of small mutations = intelligent design) the evolutionists would have to stop being atheists. We can't have that, now can we?
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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2018, 01:58:46 pm »

I watched the video, I had seen something like it before anyway, and I don't remember anything like that being discussed.  Adaptation to change, with the existing DNA, is not evolution.  The intelligence was always potentially there. So there was no "development of intelligence".  Since all octopuses were found to have this intelligence, there would be no relatively successful smart octopuses to have a new generation of smarter octopuses.

I  think the answer is that no environment has turned up which makes smartness more successful, so evolution hasn't had anything to work with.


Well, you have a bad memory.

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Adaptation to change, with the existing DNA, is not evolution.

Yeah, that's what I said. Is there an echo in here?

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The intelligence was always potentially there. So there was no "development of intelligence".

Yes there was  ;D. Octopuses living in groups are learning from older octopuses. The experiments proved tey ARE getting smarter. But, I can understand your Neo-Darwinian standard for "smarter" REQUIRES new DNA passed on to a subsequent generation for that to be the "real deal", so to speak. You refuse to accept the SAME DNA package can produce smarter octpopuses. So, you come up with the following Syllogistic statement to defend your "evolution is the only solution" Procrustean Bed.

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Since all octopuses were found to have this intelligence, there would be no relatively successful smart octopuses to have a new generation of smarter octopuses.

A Procrustean bed is an arbitrary standard to which exact conformity is forced. In Edgar Allan Poe's influential crime story "The Purloined Letter" (1844), the private detective Dupin uses the metaphor of a Procrustean bed to describe the Parisian police's overly rigid method of looking for clues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procrustes

Again, you missed the entire point of the observations in the video. Octopuses are typically loners. The octopuses observed are NOW living in grooups, something they never have been previously observed to do. This enables the young octopuses to learn from the older, more experienced ones, something that has hitherto not been possible because a female octopus dies as soon as her brood can swim. Thus they have ALWAYS relied totally on instinct to hunt and hide.

NOW, things are changing. NOW the young octopuses, which are GENETICALLY IDENTICAL to the previous ones that did not live in groups, are showing EVIDENCE of increased intelligence in prey seeking ability.

Tell me, Palloy, why do you have such difficulty grasping non-evolutionary adaptation concepts?

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Palloy: ... evolution hasn't had anything to work with


Poor Mr. "Evolution". Your god hasn't had "anything to work with". How amazingly presumptive, as well as reductionist, of you to ASS-U-ME that the only possible explanation for a new "evolutionary" ;)  advantage a species obtains, such as added intelligence,  is "evolution".

Sir, you are STUCK in a neo-Darwinian mental straight jacket that refuses to accept that a pre-existing functional bit of DNA coding can be activated by new environmental stresses.  👎 👎 👎

As usual, you are parroting the "evolution solution" mantra that will not accept a new advantage is real unless said advantage has been proven to be passed onto the offspring in the form of a mutation. It is simply impossible for you to accept that a new advantage DOES NOT have to be "passed on", because it was latently THERE and ALREADY being passed on, in the original DNA package.

Your tired "the ones who don't have it die off and the ones who have it dominate" does not apply here simply because the less social octopuses that don't learn from the more experienced octopuses are genetically identical to the ones that DO learn and dominate.

I remember when my Zoology Prof calmly stated that a crocodile having two penises was an "evolutionary advantage". That was the best joke I had heard in a long time. But, you    probably cannot figure out why I think that is so funny, can you?  :D
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