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AGelbert

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Re: Resisting Brainwashing Propaganda
« on: July 31, 2014, 09:39:52 pm »
From a thread on good and evii on earth

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php/topic,3085.msg52300.html#msg52300

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This has ZERO to do with Ideology, in MENA or here on the Diner pages.

It is 100% about Resource Depletion and Population Overshoot. All the rest is distraction.

RE

        The above is YOUR "CALORIC iNTAKE IS IT" bias on full selectively rational display.


Proof that YOU are right and the ONLY metric that "covers all the bases" in defining EVIL is having lots of money is one that can never be suitably countered to your satisfaction.

WHY?

Money is and always has been, a symbol of power and resources, the more money ,the more power to dominate, use, exploit and abuse fellow life forms and the environment.   


You don't address the dirt poor, but very smart psychopath who becomes a "self made billionaire" BEFORE he gets there. It's one of several "silly" nuances that Ashvin, Surly, Eddie (and by the way, a dentist certainly DOES NOT earn his living by inflicting pain - that was a cheap shot!), GO and I, for various reasons  ;D, continue to bring forward to demonstrate to you that, not only is your FINAL SOLUTION, overly simplistic, IT WON'T WORK! 


I'm not saying you are not capable of discerning right from wrong and judging human good and bad behavior; I AM saying that you are putting yourself on a pedestal of righteousness! The INSTANT you HAVE the power to strip the power and resources (money) from the richest people on earth, YOU are BY DEFINITION, RICHER than they are!      What's to stop YOU from creating your OWN empire of evil F**ks? Gift economy imposition? I don't think so.

As Surly said,
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It is painfully obvious that ideology is a tool for control of the "useful idiots," the Brown shirts who do the dirty work of the elites who pull their strings. It's always been this way. And when you reluctantly don the heavy crown of the Orkin Man, you will need your own brownshirts to round up the billionaires and operate the guillotines, yes?"

Ashvin said,
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"Nonsense. The very IDEA that pop. overshoot and resource depletion are problematic is rooted in an ideology (or several)."

Just because RE supports an ideology, that means it's NOT an ideology?  There is enough energy GEOTHERMALLY alone to completely power ALL of our civilization. WTF are you talking about with resource depletion? Planned, contrived, fake, fossil fuel war profiteering BULL**** predatory resource "depletion" to GAME the supply/demand of the rubes is not REAL RESOURCE DEPLETION.


You say you are working in the REAL WORLD. Well, so am I. And I understand we have resources out the ying yang to do everything needed and much more. That's based on SCIENCE and caloric intake, not pie in the sky.

YOU claim YOU base your calculations on hard realities. No, you base them on your firm belief that there is NO solution to the world's problems as long as EVIL people dominate society. WE AGREE! 

But the evil f**ks aren't dominating because WE LACK RESOURCES.  That's where you took a logical long walk off a short pier. 

The collapse you are counting on will only happen if FORCED upon us by the greedballs.  Yeah, I KNOW what you think of THAT statement... You can disagree till the cows come home, but you CANNOT claim we DO NOT have the energy and resources to keep civilization going for CENTURIES.  :icon_sunny: But, of course, you DO because THAT is YOUR IDEOLOGY.


Go ahead and yell BULLSH*T! That's what you always do instead of calmly adding up those 23,000 TW/YEAR  of SOLAR alone versus about 20TW/year we need to run civilization. Sigh...   


Ashvin made a point a while ago that is keeper for me. It finally put a logical thought chain into words what I have struggled with to put in words all my life! 


And yeah, what he said has EVERYTHING to do with your assumption (wrong in my view) that you can make our society equitable and decent by limiting power over the evil predatory piggies (including playing Whak-A-Mole as a "king" for any poor folks with "piggy" tendencies in the future).

Ashvin said,
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"The moral imperative of selfless behavior starts to become a rationalist calculation of cost vs. benefits. It's all well and good for us to say here, "BUT, loving our neighbors (let alone enemies) will always bring us greater benefits than costs, so we'll always do it!", but history bears out the exact opposite. When individuals and societies start to think that the costs of helping others gets too high, it's the FIRST thing to go out the window."

Get it, RE? YOU take over the planet, off  the piggies  and GUESS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?  


That is, WHAT HAPPENS when you help say 106 million people in barrios in all the poorest cities of the world get adequate nutrition, only to watch many millions become organized criminal bands preying on each other and the nearby middle class condo residents?



I'll tell you what happens; THIS:
"When individuals and societies start to think that the costs of helping others gets too high, it's the FIRST thing to go out the window."

Face it, RE. Righting the world's wrongs is a job only God knows how to do. The fact that He hasn't done it to your satisfaction doesn't mean you can take over the duties of the Great Slacker in the Sky, so to speak. YOU think He has fallen down on the job! That is IDEOLOGY.

I don't pretend to understand God; but I know the best way to do the RIGHT THING in this world is to OBEY HIM and respect all life within my limited abilities.

Playing God is what smart people, many who start out with the best of intentions, many of them church leaders, many of them with brilliant minds, all of them ambitious, clever and reasonable, have done to screw up this world, despoil its beauty and prey on its innocents, thereby transforming a grand venture of noble undertaking into a celebration of corruption and evil. Don't think it can't happen to YOU.  PLUS playing GOD =   




Power REALLY DOES CORRUPT. Corruption is just another word for EVIL.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou
hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Acts 8:20

 

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