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Oppressive Nations are always Fearful Nations.
« on: July 21, 2019, 02:12:37 pm »
Shiggity • a day ago
Remember what it was like before H1B1 visa competition and the billionaire immigration game? I don't, I'm a millennial. I'll remember robber baron mega millionaire and billionaire psychopaths 'explaining' how everything is my fault and I 'just need to work harder'. Women haven't achieved any kind of "equality" except the "equality" of sick personality disorders and obscene mega wealth, Murica!

Get some baby boomers in here to 'explain' the situation better lol. Maybe some completely out of context anecdotes / completely out of context macro economic comparisons?

If women think achieving obscene wealth is "equality" with men, they're fools, pathetic money hungry sociopathic fools.

agelbert  Shiggity
Exactly right. I am a baby boomer and have railed all my life against the worship of materialism evidenced by the nearly total commitment my generation had, and still has, to greed and ambition.

That said, I don't see any evidence that the subsequent generations are, as a whole, any different.

However, you need to understand that there are elite propaganda forces in our government that have deliberately shaped this profit over people and planet world view among the masses.

"The rich executed a coup d’้tat that transformed the three branches of the U.S. government and nearly all institutions, including the mass media, into wholly owned subsidiaries of the corporate state." -- Chris Hedges

With the advent of social media, the worship of the self has gotten more equality destroying extreme, not less. Watch this video and you will understand what we-the-people, of all genders and ages, are up against.

Why fascism is so tempting -- and how your data could power it |😨 Yuval Noah Harari

"Technical knowledge of Carrying Capacity will not save us; only a massive increase in Caring Capacity will." -- A. G. Gelbert

Steve_S  agelbert
Excellent post.

You know, Gene Rodenberry (creator of Star Trek) completely & totally nailed the US Corporate Government when he created the Ferenghi aliens whose only priority is Profit & Profit above ALL ELSE.

The Ferenghi Rules of Acquisition was initially intended as a tongue in cheek chuckle BUT it became serious and is actually how the USG & it's Corporate Masters actually deal with people. People & Governments around the world have finally come to see it for what it is and it doesn't look good.


The Complete Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition

agelbert  Steve_S 
👍 Thank you. I agree the Ferengi aliens are reflections of what was a hidden reality in the US (that is now in-our-faces).

There was another Star Trek episode that reminds me of our anti-democratic situation. The plot is that some human dude (he was from Earth) had violated the Star Trek 'Prime Directive' by interfering on another planet, so the crew of the Starship Enterprise had been tasked to stop the 'interference'. The dude had set up a fascist government because it was 😈 "more efficient".

The MO of his government reminds me of the Trump 🦀 wrecking crew MO.

Sure, Trump is a symptom, not the cause. But, his cruel, arrogant abusive mindset is representative of those fascist oligarchs who put him there.

I checked out some Hitler quotes the other day. I challenge you to find any difference between Hitler's mindset in the following quotes and that of Trump:

“If you win, you need not have to explain...If you lose, you should not be there to explain!”― Adolf Hitler

“Do not compare yourself to others. If you do so, you are insulting yourself.”― Adolf Hitler

“I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.” ― Adolf Hitler

“The victor will never be asked if he told the truth.” ― Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Letters and Notes

“The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.” ― Adolf Hitler

“The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence.”― Adolf Hitler

Fascists like Trump count on public's lack of introspection. Hitler and Trump are birds of a feather.


Steve_S  agelbert
Ohhh My ! Yes I know that particular episode very well. Original Series.

Regarding the Hitler Quotes. I studied Nazi history extensively and the militarism it raised (uni study) and once Trump was on the campaign trail I CAUGHT IT. He actually made statements & speeches which echo Hitler to a T. More Recent stuff from "them" continues to echo AH with 21st Century revisions. Even more disturbing is that there are Jewish Rabbis in the USA & Israel calling for the total destruction & annulation of ALL Muslims.... and a few of these characters are Survivors of Concentration Camps and THEY are calling for genocide of a religious group. And then we have the Trump to Israel Marriage which is baffling to say the least.

agelbert  Steve_S
👍👍👍 I never studied Nazi history like you did. In high school I read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer. That was pretty much the extent of what I knew about them.

I've picked up a little more over the years. Recently I ran into an outstanding book ("All Honorable Men") about the NAZI world view. You have probably read it, but if you haven't, I'm sort of doing a book report on it on my forum in a series of posts.

If you have time, please check it out and tell me what you think.


In this book I have tried to tell the story of an important problem and some of the things that happened when we tried to deal with it. Though many of the events occurred in Germany, before and during the military occupation, they seemed in an increasing degree to be echoes of something more fundamental that was happening back in the United States. For whatever reason, the larger pattern is a repetition of what followed after World War I; but the pace has been quicker, as though greater powers were moving more rapidly toward a more catastrophic result.

Steve_S  agelbert • 4 hours ago
Ohh I got out of studying that sort of thing. Life priorities …

One thing that stands above everything else. Dictatorships are oppressive by their very nature and Oppressive Nations are always Fearful Nations. Fearful Nations become bullies and demand compliance from others or suffer consequences imposed by the bullies. At this moment in time, the single most Paranoid Nation on the planet is the USA, fearing every shadow, every opinion and seeking to find the boogeymen behind every bush. This of course happens when someone bullies, threatens, coerces others resulting in human & civil abuses. When you have a Nation that spends more on it's military than anything else, when there is no actual real wars...

Consider it this way... The USA spends more on Militarism than China, but China spends more on Wind, Solar, Hydro & Nuclear Power Generation than it's own massive 3.5 million man military.

Given that info, plus the fact that the US now owes over $22 Trillion Dollars on it's National Debt, which it has absolutely no hope of ever paying off (or keeping up with the interest alone) is destined for only ONE THING and that is Conflict. What do we see being "prepped up" right now, big militarism, lot's of threats, lot's of "sanctions of one sort or another", attempts to provoke & coerce nations. Luckily Russia & China have been BLUNT that they will not be provoked or coerced into an action, that the USA will have to fire first if it wants conflict. So now Trumpy is fishing for someone else to have a War with...

agelbert  Steve_S • 3 minutes ago • edited
I agree with you 100%. Principle and moral fiber are absent from the US government and the fascist olicarchs that corrupt it. Scratch a fascist bully and you expose a coward.

The despicable Epstein modus vivendi is not an outlier. The elite SCUM in the USA are all part of that cesspool of sexual predators protected by the "Intelligence" (see: POLICE STATE) agencies AND the corrupted judiciary.

That was also true in NAZI Germany. Sexual abuse of minors and routine depravity is another mark of fascist societies. We are there. 😠

Steve_S  agelbert • an hour ago
Well, I've enough on my personal plate to deal with in the time I have left and many things to complete in that time.

My view on things are maybe a bit different (being terminal does that) as I am not looking for any deluded answers, I just see what I see and experience what I experience. Like when I worked in the arctic and return recently to shock at what changes I saw... which I should not have in my entire lifetime or possibly two. Diverse life experiences with Military, Government, High Tech Corporate and other things like advocacy for Parents & Children's Rights have shaped me because I have seen & dealt with things from a different angle than most. I've also been witness to corruption, racism, discrimination and assorted abuses throughout a lot of that. There is so much Hypocrisy and Optical Justice, I fear humanity is deep in the stew! Luckily, I only have a few (< 5) years left and I won't be here to see All Hell break loose. I'm mostly worried for my 3 surviving daughters and my girlfriend's futures in this crazy world.

Bigger issues with climate change are being totally ignored or downplayed, the entire cascading effect that ripples through the eco system. Ongoing droughts in food producing places will continue to reduce food production. Increasing storms and bad weather will force movement of people causing more migration & tensions. There is so much general anger which no one knows how to direct that Bad Actors are playing on that to focus their agendas, which will only result in conflict. Powder Keg issues such as Race & Religion are being further manipulated as well as potential triggers.

At the Major Cross Roads and which direction will humanity take, or where will it be pushed to ? Who the hell knows at this point, it really boils down to the Joe & Jane on the street to collectively stand up in unison & make change happen. Extinction Revolution ? Business will continue to make consumers for profit and pillage the world. Governments are run by business interests (with the exception of the Chinese, they saw that coming) so no help there. The Great Gazoo (Flintstones Reference) won't land in his spaceship and fix everything either. Unfortunately, there are too many who want to "Light it all up" if they can't get their way, so they'll destroy everything they can in spite.

cascade effect as I put it:
Ice melts off land by tons, land uplifts, affects tectonic plates, causes plate shift / movement, resulting in quakes and increasing volcanic activity along the plates, eject more into the air and harming life in many ways. Meanwhile that melted ice flows into the seas, raising sea levels, adding all that extra tonnage of water into a moving mass also over the tectonic plates, and changing current flows in sea & air while evaporating putting more rain clouds into action, creating bigger storms and hurricanes / monsoons while modifying other air currents that result in more droughts & heat waves in other regions.... won't touch changes in animals, vegetation and all the rest....

The whole damned pile is INTERCONNECTED and the domino effect rolls through like nothing else and people, orgs, groups, cherry pick 1 or 2 and run with it... they cannot grasp (don't want to) the larger picture in it's fully horrifying glory !

BW: Do a News Search on "Arctic Heat Wave" - past month. Google would do but duckduckgo gives more & better. Records are breaking at the highest northern points and not just a bit.

« Last Edit: July 21, 2019, 07:44:58 pm by AGelbert »
Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:
For the Lord will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them. Pr. 22:22-23


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