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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #615 on: March 13, 2018, 01:19:22 pm »
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Sir Edge: Trump 🦀 Is Amazing...  The Art Of The Drain...

..... Step 1) Create New Swamp By Selecting Past DC 🐘 Swamp Creatures

..... Step 2) Have New Swampers Run Amok 😈 👹 💵 🎩 🍌 🏴‍☠️  ... Criticize Them... Poke Fun

..... Step 3) Have New Swampers Look Like Deer Caught In Headlights

..... Step 4) Attack New Swampers On Twitter For Disagreeable Policies 😉

..... Step 5) When BIG Policy Issue Comes Up - Fire New Swampers For Disagreeing

..... Step 6) Praise Newly Fired Swampers For Their Committment and Service

..... Step 7) Hire New Swampers 🐉🦕🦖 By Selecting Past DC Swamp Creatures (((Kudlow 👹)))

..... Step 8 ) Rinse and Repeat... MAGA 😈...

..... Step 9) Take Credit For Doing a Great 🦍 Job

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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #616 on: March 14, 2018, 03:11:03 pm »
Biggest Koch W H O R E In Congress Is New US Secretary Of State

March 14th, 2018 by Steve Hanley

SNIPPET:

Of all the congressional representatives who have suckled themselves at the breast of the Koch brothers and their friends, Mike Pompeo is the champion. Before becoming director of the CIA under Donald Judas Trump, Pompeo served three terms in the House of Representatives as a congressman from Kansas. During that time, he accepted more money from the Koch brothers and their evil empire than any other person serving in the House or the Senate — just shy of $1,000,000 according to OpenSecrets.org (detailed amounts at article link).

During his confirmation hearing for the director of the CIA, Pompeo bobbed and weaved around his stance on climate change (he thinks it’s a bunch of hooey, by the way). “Frankly, as the director of CIA, I would prefer today not to get into the details of the climate debate and science,” he told the Senate according to a report by ThinkProgress. He may have had a point then, but his new job as Secretary of State is directly connected to how the United States deals with the issue on the world stage. Don’t expect Pompeo to have any different opinions on the subject than he has in the past.

In 2015, he described the Paris climate accords as a “costly burden,” adding that “Congress must also do all in our power to fight against this damaging climate change proposal and pursue policies that support American energy, create new jobs, and power our economy” — spoken like a true believer who has been nurtured by the unending flow of money from the Koch brothers. He is proof, assuming we needed any, that the United States government is for sale to the highest bidder.

Full article:

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/14/biggest-koch-****-congress-new-us-secretary-state/
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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #617 on: March 14, 2018, 07:39:52 pm »
 
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March 14, 2016



Tillerson’s 🦖 Setting, Koch Star Pompeo 🦀 and Kudlow 🐊 On The Rise

Back in October of 2017, the world found out that Department of State head Rex Tillerson called President Donald Trump “a fu ck ing moron” in a July meeting. It apparently took Trump a while to either build up the courage to act, or remember his catchphrase. Yesterday, right after Tillerson criticized Russia, Trump did the decent thing  ;)     and took to twitter to fire Tillerson via tweet, with no warning or explanation. (And when a top State Department appointee and Tillerson aide contradicted the White House’s claim otherwise, he too was fired.)

While he was a moderating force on Trump, Tillerson 🐽 will hardly be missed at State. Turns out he ran the Department like he did Exxon: poorly. The question is, will Exxon finish paying for Tillerson’s mistakes before the State Department gets itself back up to speed after Tillerson destroyed it?

Either way, Trump has tapped Mike Pompeo to replace Tillerson, who holds the record for “the all-time biggest recipient of campaign funding from Koch Industries… and their affiliates   .” Prior to being Trump’s CIA director, Pompeo represented Wichita, Kansas, which is also home to Koch Industries, making him both figuratively and literally the Kochs’ congressman. Certainly that had no bearing on his 2012 Politico op-ed whining that everyone should “Stop harassing the Koch brothers.”

In an ideal world, the US diplomatic corps as a force for defending the silenced and marginalized from their corporate and state oppressors. It’s comforting to know this charge will now be led by a man who isn’t afraid of speaking up on behalf of a population as oppressed and under-resourced as the Kochs.

Needless to say, deniers are thrilled with the news that one of theirs is stepping up and an alarmist stepping down. (Remember that Exxon is part of “the discredited and anti-energy global warming movement" even though it’s given millions to denial organizations after it promised to stop.) Myron Ebell, of Koch-funded CEI, told Alex Kaufman of HuffPo that the move is “good news for us,” and that Ebell expects “very good things from him at the State Department.”

In other “replacing disappointingly ineffective, relatively moderate, pro-Paris agreement voices with Koch cranks” news, rumor has it Trump is replacing erstwhile economic advisor Gary Cohn with former Democrat, Reason editor, Reagan advisor and cable news pundit Larry Kudlow. Stephen Moore 🐍  of Koch-funded 🦕 Heritage Foundation is as happy about that possibility as Ebell 🦍 is of Pompeo, telling E&E that Kudlow is his “first choice, for sure.” As E&E points to a number of examples of Kudlow’s anti-climate stance, including praising a Paris pull-out, his preference makes sense. 

If Kudlow’s selected to serve as Trump’s lead economic council, he’ll join plenty of other Koch adherents already staffing the swamp. While Kudlow 🐊 may not be quite as kochzy with the Koch brothers as Pompeo 🦀, he too has bravely offered up a “Defense Of The Vilified-By-The-Left Koch Brothers.” 


With Tillerson and Cohn, Trump was not exactly taking the high road, but with these new Koch cronies, he’s definitely taking Kudlow road. 

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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #618 on: March 16, 2018, 05:07:54 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: Did you know that WWI was the first Wall Street motivated war? You didn't? Learn the real history of this war and related corrupt acts which undermined US democracy that you were not taught in school. These events were the genesis of today's fascist US government.

Chris Hedges 🌟The Corrupt 🦀 US Government


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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #619 on: March 17, 2018, 05:20:43 pm »
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Living At The Height Of Civilization Staring Into The Abyss


posted on 15 March 2018 by Doomstead Diner

-- this post authored by Eddie

Texas has switched back to Daylight Saving Time and I am once again driving to work in the dark. The stars were still out this morning when I left the house in the canyon and began my 28 mile commute to work, the first 20 miles or so I now achieve under eV power. It is now high spring in central Texas, and we have stopped using heat for the most part, but this morning the house was chilly with the clear morning temps of 39F.

I enjoy my coffee, which is fresh ground and liberally doctored with organic half and half. Delicious. My Chevy Volt has seat heaters, and they feel great in the crisp chill, especially on my back, which is still recovering from last Thursday's job of moving the stock tank. Some ibuprofen helps a lot. I remember my friend Artie, who has passed on now. Artie was an ex-marathon runner who skied his last several years on two artificial hip replacements, with the help of that ubiquitous non-steroidal pain killer. He referred to it as I-Be-Ski-In.

I am at work now and sipping coffee between patients. Yesterday was a tough, busy day, but it looks like today will be easier. Still busy, because it's Spring Break here. I'm hungry, because I was so tired after work I ate a hamburger I picked up before I got home, and crawled into bed and slept until my wife got home around ten pm. I sat up in bed for an hour-and-a half and then passed out again until my normal time to rise, which is 5:45 am. When she came to bed, she brought the dogs, who were happy to lie quietly at our feet until I put them to bed and turned outtthe lights.

I have been blessed to live an easy life, full of abundance. I have a great family, with grown children who are getting along well in life. By all normal measures of success, I have it made.



The Abyss

But the world is definitely going to sh it. The handwriting is on the wall for anyone with one eye and half a brain to see. My country, which has long been blessed with the same kind of luck as me, is now in the death-throes of a dying empire. Led by a morally bankrupt blowhard who has hitched his wagon to the absolute worst of the low-grade fossil fuel barons of industry, every day the downward spiral speeds up.

The modest environmental protections of a generation ago, which never were strong, are being rolled back as completely as the courts will allow. The executive branch of government is now as firmly owned by the corporatocracy as is the legislative branch. The President, whose primary concern is winning the next election (while patting himself continuously on the back for winning the last one), has managed to run off the best of his sorry cabinet picks and bring the worst ones to positions of highest authority.

We have been a nation at war somewhere for many years now, if you can call illegitimate occupations of poor but strategically important nations war. Our wars are really just expensive occupations that drain the treasury of our once financially strong country. They make some greedy rich bastards a little richer, and the rest of us and our children and grandchildren yet unborn, a lot poorer.

At the moment, we are once again on the cusp of a coming World War, which I expect to be partially fought, at least, on American soil. This development will no doubt surprise the general public, which has not experienced such a disaster in modern times, and thinks of wars as unfortunate events, caused by foreign bad guys, that thankfully always happen far away in places they can't quite manage to even pinpoint on a map.

Under-educated but nevertheless highly opinionated, Americans spend a lot of time online these days spouting whatever kind of closely held beliefs they cling to in lieu of facts and reality. Clever politicians and media barons manipulate public opinion seemingly at will. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

The climate, affected by massive CO2 build-up from burning fossil fuels, is rapidly going rogue. The oceans are dying. 150 to 200 species of plant and animal become extinct each and every day that rolls. We are not immune. Our time is coming. Ironically, the only possible salvation appears to be a systemic collapse of civilization that removes the offending pollution by sending us back to the days of horses and buggies, or maybe human powered pull-carts with wooden wheels. Due to the financialization and hollowing out of the real economy, this is also quite likely to happen some fine day very soon. Unfortunately, it will not stop the climate change on a short timeline. By the time the planet recovers,humans and most living things might well be history.

So....most days I dream of leaving my easy life behind. I fantasize about buying a big sailboat and living out my last days living onboard, Sailing to the islands I love, and then if and when the collapse does come, trying to find some out-of-the-way place far from wars and dying cities, to try to make a go of it in what will truly be a New World.

It's quite the dichotomy, this modern life. So many good things have come my way. So many bad things just over the horizon. And, of course, one can see that those two sides of the coin are completely related. So much of what I enjoy comes at the expense of some poor sod eking out a miserable existence in some s h i t hole country that wasn't a SHITHOLE until the corporate barons who run the world turned it into one, in the pursuit of selling me stuff like nice cars with seat heaters, and good coffee.

Certain concerned scientists and poets have long known this was coming. I am blessed and cursed to live on the cusp of a great unraveling. I am literally living on the very brink. I weep for my children.

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Nothing is more frustrating to me about the collapse blogosphere than the tendency for ordinary people to sort themselves into political groups based on their good intentions and belief systems.

I have read plenty of good writers who do get it...that collapse isn't avoidable by changing whatever form of government we have, or our enemies have, or our rivals have. Please try to get past that kind of simple-mindedness. I just ain't that simple folks.

The world is run by powerful people who control people, assets, and armies.

America is a failing Republic. It's run completely by rich oligarchs and the politicians they buy, usually before elections, but also after, as has been the case with Trump, who ran as a populist but immediately sold his soul to the highest bidders, post-election.

The Soviet Union was a Communist state that failed spectacularly in 1989, and now it's controlled by a single despotic strong man, Vladimir Putin, who took over the primary state, Russia, after the drunk Yeltsin failed to establish a democratic form of government. They still have a legislature and pretend to be a democratic communist/socialist state, but it's a sham. Putin's rivals and challengers end up in prison or have fatal accidents.

Although the systems of government are different, people in both countries are brought up to love their countries without question and the people of both countries, in these desperate times, crave a strong man to take control and solve all their problems.

Russians love Putin, who presides over a completely corrupt kleptocracy. They are mostly ignorant, clueless dumb fu cks who are grateful to have heat during the bitter Russian winter, some basic foodstuffs, and a little vodka to ease their pain.

Americans, increasingly left out of the advances of the digital age due to poor public school educations and the shiftlessness that comes with thinking the world owes them a living, have rallied behind Trump, who is a huckster and a liar who got elected in an election that surprised almost everyone, himself included. Now he is busy auctioning off favors to super-rich American kleptocrats, who call themselves capitalists. The younger generation of pampered digital early adapters dream of a benevolent socialist state that will give them a house and public transportation instead of just a cell phone and a job waiting tables. So....maybe in the US, if BAU persists a few more years, the poles might reverse. Especially if the trailer trash who love Trump all die off from shooting up fentanyl, and the hispanic fast breeders decide to start voting in elections.

It won't matter. Collapse is baked in.

Pick any other country and the story is the same.

Britain is going their own version of Trump populism. Failing.

Most of Europe is socialist. Failing, although they have a few bright spots left.

South Africa flipped from white dominated Right Wing to black dominated Marxist. Failing faster every day.

China was hard core communist, tried to initiate market reforms, turned into a new kind of oligarchy that even now is consolidating under a new strong man. Failing.

Wake up, you idiots. It isn't the form of government. It's declining resources, climate change, hugely wasteful programs of all kinds, and sinister 21st century war machines getting ready to run amok.

http://econintersect.com/pages/opinion/opinion.php?post=201803151859

I just read your article, Eddie. In it you provided an in-our-face comprehensive list of the irrefutable hard truths too many do not want to face.

EXCELLENT article! 🌟 Thank you for writing it. 🌞

I watched a video by Chris Hedges recently that predicted exactly what is going on in the USA (and much of the rest of the world) today. He traces the history of how all this began all the way back to what he identified as the first war for Wall Street (WWI!  :o). What I most admire about his analysis is his recognition that
 EVERYONE, whether from the right or the left, who seeks political power, is not to be trusted. 

If you have a half hour or so to watch it, it will be worth your while. It has quite a few nuggets of history few people are taught in the USA. These events were the genesis of today's fascist US government.

Chris Hedges 🌟The Corrupt 🦀 US Government


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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #620 on: March 19, 2018, 04:30:59 pm »

Goldne Oxen said: That's the group your a member of, would think long and hard about staying in it and espousing their hate mongering, crybaby loser, unpatriotic and destructive  behavior Eddie.

No it's not. You are deliberately misrepresenting my POV, which is ad hom. Lay off,
or I'll tell you what team I think you're on. Anyone who follows your posts gets wise to your game after a while. Don't think you can play schoolyard games with me. This ain't my first rodeo. I'm nicer to you than I should be, most of the time. Don't take advantage.





We differ in our opinion of who and what Donald Trump is.

Hillary Clinton, and Obama have not moved on, that's the problem.

Both lumps of **** continue their venomous attacks, unprecedented in American pride, in insulting and defecating on our President and the disgusted with the status quo millions of our fellow citizens who saw fit to vote for him.

No. Just no.

Fox "News" (sic) avers that Trump and HRC are somehow "bickering." I put it to you to count up the number of times Trump has mentioned Clinton compared to the opposite. Trump rage-tweets about HRC and calls her a name almost every day, especially when he needs to keep his base of dupes riled. Punching down is a crowd-pleaser. The only mention HRC has made lately of Orange Hitler is that she accused Trump of having “quite an affinity for dictators” and said he “really likes their authoritarian posturing and behavior.”

That's the self-evident truth.

Fat Nixon has arguably spent an inordinate amount of time on social media attacking a person whom he defeated, leading to the $64 question: Is Trump obsessed with Hillary Clinton? He certainly finds her to be convenient.

And Obama? Really? Since decamping, he has comported himself with the same dignity that he displayed while Presidentin' While Black.


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Both lumps of **** continue their venomous attacks, unprecedented in American pride, in insulting and defecating on our President and the disgusted with the status quo millions of our fellow citizens who saw fit to vote for him.

"Lumps of ****," "venomous attacks," insulting and defecating." Sounds like projection to me.

You want to prove that assertion?
Show your work. Post it here, and source it from some reputable news source. If it exists, i'd like to see it, because I comb through the sewers of the internet each day compiling a digest, and I have yet to find it. But I'm just an old crank with a hobby.

I'm betting you can't, because evidence of such behavior on the part of HRC or BHO, that is, behavior equivalent to the outrages committed by the current resident of the White House, does not exist outside of the fevered imaginations of right wing fantasts or operators of Macedonian web sites.


Well said, Surly.

Eddie and Surly, I must admit I cannot figure out why you continue to attempt to reason with    .

If you want to just keep some dialogue going for the sake of views, then that is understandable, but Golden Oxen, consistent pseudo-Christian devoted worshipper of gold and himself, is enamored of Trump. Therefore, he cannot be reasoned with.

Golden Oxen hypocritically rails about government corruption that he "claims to be against" and is silent as DEATH when massive real estate FRAUD by "private" enterprize Trump India hotels business partner is caught DOING in India what Trump has AWAYS DONE EVERYWHERE, whether in government or out of it (it's in the news today  ;D).

The irrelevant half truths constantly being recycled by the Trumpers (Obama was "worse", Hillary evil, etc. Ad Nausem) are such transparently obvious attempts at distraction from Tump's Traitorous Governmental Corruption and Crime Spree that they would be worthy of pity if they weren't pushed so repeatedly by the fascist/Libertarian Kochroaches trying to destroy the last vestiges of individual freedom and liberty we have in this country.

As I said about six months ago, Golden Oxen has gone fully into Orwellian mindfuck 😈. That is what Trumpers 🦀 DO in a desperate attempt to keep people from seeing that it is they 😈 who have all the mens rea dastardly society destroying activity that they accuse others of. 


Trumpers, like Trump, are "wise" in their own eyes. Golden Oxen is an unapologetic Trumper.

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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #621 on: March 19, 2018, 04:38:45 pm »

That's the group your a member of, would think long and hard about staying in it and espousing their hate mongering, crybaby loser, unpatriotic and destructive  behavior Eddie.

No it's not. You are deliberately misrepresenting my POV, which is ad hom. Lay off,
or I'll tell you what team I think you're on. Anyone who follows your posts gets wise to your game after a while. Don't think you can play schoolyard games with me. This ain't my first rodeo. I'm nicer to you than I should be, most of the time. Don't take advantage.



GO violated the CoC so many times in this thread it's beyond belief you let the posts stay up.  I was out all morning with a Docs appt or I would have sh it -canned them myself.  Besides violating the CoC, he lies throughout the exchange.  "Not a Trump Supporter" my ass.  ::)  He voted for him and he puts up non-stop pro-Trump propaganda all the time.  He defends Trumpovetsky constantly using the same method Donalditry himself uses, he brings up Ancient History with the Clintons and Obama-sama.  HEY!  NEWZ FLASH!  These folks aren't in office anymore!  Not to mention he's a complete hypocrite.  Did he ever ONCE call Obama "our President" when he was in office?  Nope.  But now that he has his Fuhrer in office, he's "our President".  ::)  Fu ck ing unbelievable crap.  👎 👎

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« Reply #622 on: March 19, 2018, 05:03:08 pm »

Eddie and Surly, I must admit I cannot figure out why you continue to attempt to reason with  (GO).

If you want to just keep some dialogue going for the sake of views, then that is understandable...

I argue with RE on this score as well.

Politically, GO and I will never agree. Yet this is a man susceptible to the arguments of Chris Hedges, who I think we can all agree is one of the smartest guys in the room and a man of impeccable morality. Politics aside, GO has made many contributions to this forum which I find useful and helpful. Edifying, even. When he goes ad hom (or when you or I do), we get to take our respective vocabularies for a walk, vent some spleen, but really accomplish nothing.  An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, etc.

I can be as sanctimonious as the next motherfucker, but what does that make me? An ass hole. At least I have the satisfaction of being correct, but I'm not going to convince GO of anything. He will have to convince himself. IN the fullness of time, I think he will, although he might not admit it. This place has a decided leftward twist, so GO has chosen a tough room in which to make a living. Yet he shows up here every day for the give-and-take. GO is so far to the right he thinks Eddie is a lefty, which is actually pretty funny. He's anything but. I grew up the son of a trade union Dem, picked up some academic leftism in college, but consider myself to have the same attitudes my father had. It's the world that's gone and done spun to the right, making people like me look like communists.

One can only show admiration for a man who shows he can take a punch. Having taken plenty of my own along the way, I do, anyhow.

This just in: it's only words. I give AZ a good thwok between the shoulder blades when he posts strange stuff, and find no difficulty arguing with Palloy or even RE. Hell, especially RE. If I'm not pissing on his shoes one every two weeks or so he thinks I don't love him anymore.

RE started the Diner Forum as a forum for untrammeled free speech and vigorous disputation. We'd be insulting the premises of this place if we offered anything less. As for Continuing an ongoing conversation with GO, when it comes to politics I will defend my turf, but feel free to enjoy the other aspects of his offerings, whether it's the statue of a pilgrim or an appreciation for the fine points of corned beef.

Maybe it's because I'm keenly aware of my own mortality, but I find myself thinking of the old quote, "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." And let's keepit in perspective: by the simple fact of showing up here, we all recognize the fact that we're all doomed.


Free Speech is not a license to engage in Fascist Buillshit.

Surly, how do you know that Golden Oxen is not putting up a sympathetic front appearing to be susceptible to the arguments of Chris Hedges?

A long time ago on this forum you argued with me stating you "did not believe GO is a racist". He is. I knew it then. You resisted, and probably still resist, believing it. All those pictures of the downtrodden that GO posts, just like his claim to celebrate all that Chris Hedges stands for, is not credible. GO can sound SO sympathitic and SO reasonable for a while. Then one fine day he blurts out what he really thinks. If you want to believe he is just "on the rag" that day, fine. I vigorously disagree.

I could write for HOURS about what I have observed from Mr. GO passive aggressive fun and games for the last 5 years or so, but you have been there too, so I will leave you to ponder whether GO is stringing you along or not.  ;)  8)

This is not about sanctimony, it is about TRUTH and OBJECTIVE DISCOURSE.

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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #623 on: March 19, 2018, 05:52:29 pm »
I am being actively censored by AG.

And you will continue to be as long as you insist on pushing mendacious, but clever, fossil fuel friendly happy talk that threatens the future of the human species. Have a nice day.   


I am being actively censored by AG.

I'll leave this one up to explain.

AG has his own board, as do you.  You can each run your own boards as you see fit.

You are not "censored" anywhere else on the Diner, although you might be moderated if your posting gets too ad hom.

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Exactly. I answered Palloy with a very specific statement about a very specific issue. Palloy is lying that I censor him just to be a meany. In fact his  comment on pulleys to bring a tree down is still there on my channel. I read it and left it there because it contained no bullshit.  ;D

Surly apparently has come to a position in life where he respects people who can "take a punch". I guess that means he believes I cannot. And this "eye for an eye leaves everybody blind" business is simply not applicable when the main purpose of posts is to disseminate truth and objective discourse. It kinda bothers me that there are people out there doing everything they can to destroy our future as a species. If anybody here wants to claim I am being sanctimoneous or overly sensitive by labelling those who push lies and doubletalk as enemies not worthy of engaging in discourse, fine. I vigorously disagree.

I engaged bullshitters like MKing and several others that curse this forum for a while. After their heinous positions have become clear, to allow them to continue in their shameless efforts to repeat society and biosphere damaging propaganda, is GIVING THEM A PLATFORM TO CONTINUE PUSHING THEIR BULLSHIT. To encourage or allow said destructive discourse simply because we all should be kind to each other is like asking the burglar if he checked the other place you have the silverware before he leaves. Love thy Neighbor as thyself does not now, or ever did, mean to not call them out on LIES. In fact, going along to get along because "we are all in the same doomed boat" is NOT showing respect for them.

Of course, I will never make a lot of friends or infuence many people. I SPEAK FOR TRUTH AND THE WELFARE OF HUMANITY, not to win any popularity contests. Sanctimoneous? Yeah, if the last statement is a bit of holier than thou hypocrisy. I'm a lot of things, but I am not a hypocrite.

Sanctimonious, thin skinned, can't take a punch Agelbert?




 

 


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« Reply #624 on: March 19, 2018, 05:55:41 pm »

Goldne Oxen said: That's the group your a member of, would think long and hard about staying in it and espousing their hate mongering, crybaby loser, unpatriotic and destructive  behavior Eddie.

No it's not. You are deliberately misrepresenting my POV, which is ad hom. Lay off,
or I'll tell you what team I think you're on. Anyone who follows your posts gets wise to your game after a while. Don't think you can play schoolyard games with me. This ain't my first rodeo. I'm nicer to you than I should be, most of the time. Don't take advantage.







We differ in our opinion of who and what Donald Trump is.

Hillary Clinton, and Obama have not moved on, that's the problem.

Both lumps of **** continue their venomous attacks, unprecedented in American pride, in insulting and defecating on our President and the disgusted with the status quo millions of our fellow citizens who saw fit to vote for him.

No. Just no.

Fox "News" (sic) avers that Trump and HRC are somehow "bickering." I put it to you to count up the number of times Trump has mentioned Clinton compared to the opposite. Trump rage-tweets about HRC and calls her a name almost every day, especially when he needs to keep his base of dupes riled. Punching down is a crowd-pleaser. The only mention HRC has made lately of Orange Hitler is that she accused Trump of having “quite an affinity for dictators” and said he “really likes their authoritarian posturing and behavior.”

That's the self-evident truth.

Fat Nixon has arguably spent an inordinate amount of time on social media attacking a person whom he defeated, leading to the $64 question: Is Trump obsessed with Hillary Clinton? He certainly finds her to be convenient.

And Obama? Really? Since decamping, he has comported himself with the same dignity that he displayed while Presidentin' While Black.


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Both lumps of **** continue their venomous attacks, unprecedented in American pride, in insulting and defecating on our President and the disgusted with the status quo millions of our fellow citizens who saw fit to vote for him.

"Lumps of ****," "venomous attacks," insulting and defecating." Sounds like projection to me.

You want to prove that assertion?
Show your work. Post it here, and source it from some reputable news source. If it exists, i'd like to see it, because I comb through the sewers of the internet each day compiling a digest, and I have yet to find it. But I'm just an old crank with a hobby.

I'm betting you can't, because evidence of such behavior on the part of HRC or BHO, that is, behavior equivalent to the outrages committed by the current resident of the White House, does not exist outside of the fevered imaginations of right wing fantasts or operators of Macedonian web sites.


Well said, Surly.

Eddie and Surly, I must admit I cannot figure out why you continue to attempt to reason with   

If you want to just keep some dialogue going for the sake of views, then that is understandable, but Golden Oxen, consistent pseudo-Christian devoted worshipper of gold and himself, is enamored of Trump. Therefore, he cannot be reasoned with.

Golden Oxen hypocritically rails about government corruption that he "claims to be against" and is silent as DEATH when massive real estate FRAUD by "private" enterprize Trump India hotels business partner is caught DOING in India what Trump has AWAYS DONE EVERYWHERE, whether in government or out of it (it's in the news today  ;D).

The irrelevant half truths constantly being recycled by the Trumpers (Obama was "worse", Hillary evil, etc. Ad Nausem) are so transparently obvious attempts at distraction from Tump's Traiterous Governmental Corruption and Crime Spree that they would be worthy of pity if they weren't pushed so repeatedly by the fascist/Libertarian Kochroaches trying to destroy the last vestiges of individual freedom and liberty we have in this country.

As I said about six months ago, Golden Oxen has gone fully into Orwellian mindfuck 😈. That is what Trumpers 🦀 in a desperate attempt to keep people from seeing that it is they 😈 who have all the mens rea dastardly society destroying activity that they accuse others of. 


Trumpers, like Trump, are "wise" in their own eyes. Golden Oxen is an unapologetic Trumper.

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There is more hope for a fool than for him. Proverbs 26:12

In my view, we can either respond to GO's posts and try to make our dissenting case in a reasonable way, or we can do something we like a lot less, which is not let him make his posts (and I'd hate to do that), or put him under moderation, which is way more work than I want to do.

What I don't like to do is allow comments I strongly disagree with to stand up with no dissent.  I favor open dialog and even heated arguments to censorship....and censorship is a "gotcha" that GO likes to use to claim he isn't treated fairly. I won't play that game. I'd rather just tell him when I disagree. And that's not just GO, but anybody. I favor letting people speak their piece, and then calling them out if it seems necessary. And anybody can be wrong. I'm wrong a lot, and I try to be willing to listen to other people's POV.

I guess I ran Knarf off arguing with his SJW and #MeToo posts. I hope not. I just like to say what's on my mind. I try to be respectful to everyone. 

At heart, GO wants to be part of a group that thinks just like he does. He want to belong. He also likes to suck up to people he considers special, like Ashvin and LD.  He always writes them such effusive compliments, he's practically falling all over himself. It's completely transparent. But I think he often makes good points, and he's a good man. Libertarian belief systems resonate with me. But I've learned that for most high profile people, the powerful people of our world, that it's an excuse and a smokescreen.

If you read what Charles Koch says in an interview, you'd think he was a great guy and a genius. In reality, he's committed more atrocities than you can list. You have to judge on what people do, and not just on what they say.
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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #625 on: March 19, 2018, 05:58:04 pm »
In my view, we can either respond to GO's posts and try to make our dissenting case in a reasonable way, or we can do something we like a lot less, which is not let him make his posts (and I'd hate to do that), or put him under moderation, which is way more work than I want to do.

What I don't like to do is allow comments I strongly disagree with to stand up with no dissent.  I favor open dialogue and even heated arguments to censorship....and censorship is a "gotcha" that GO likes to use to claim he isn't treated fairly. I won't play that game. I'd rather just tell him when I disagree. And that's not just GO, but anybody. I favor letting people speak their piece, and then calling them out if it seems necessary. And anybody can be wrong. I'm wrong a lot, and I try to be willing to listen to other people's POV.

It gets more time consuming to respond to all the ad hom and Trumpovetsky Propaganda GO posts than to just moderate it.  It's also a violation of the CoC to complain about censorship, so just AS H I T-can those posts also.  Takes much less time out of your day than writing a detailed point-by-point refutation of complete nonsense.


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I guess I ran Knarf off arguing with his SJW and #MeToo posts. I hope not. I just like to say what's on my mind. I try to be respectful to everyone.

Knarf goes Walkabout regularly.  He's a sensitive guy and when his belief system is challenged, it upsets him.  He'll return at some point I would wager. 

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At heart, GO wants to be part of a group that thinks just like he does. He want to belong. He also likes to suck up to people he considers special, like Ashvin and LD.  He always writes them such effusive compliments, he's practically falling all over himself. It's completely transparent. But I think he often makes good points, and he's a good man. Libertarian belief systems resonate with me. But I've learned that for most high profile people, the powerful people of our world, that it's an excuse and a smokescreen.

No he doesn't.  He likes to be in a group where he is in the minority and can fight with people.  If he wanted to be part of a group where he would fit in, it would be on TBP.  His fawning over certain people is positively repulsive.  All his "Geniuses" like Elon Muskrat, and Kunstler.  ::) Gimmee a break.

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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #626 on: March 19, 2018, 06:23:14 pm »
Hypocritical Sucking up by GO.

Eddie, If you pick up on the overly dulcet flattery that comes off as baloney, what makes you think the dialogue is sincere when said person is not in the "you are the greatest" mode?

As RE said,
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His fawning over certain people is positively repulsive.  All his "Geniuses" like Elon Muskrat, and Kunstler.  ::) Gimmee a break. - RE

Eddie said:
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Eddie said:
In my view, we can either respond to GO's posts and try to make our dissenting case in a reasonable way, or we can do something we like a lot less, which is not let him make his posts (and I'd hate to do that), or put him under moderation, which is way more work than I want to do.

What I don't like to do is allow comments I strongly disagree with to stand up with no dissent.  I favor open dialog and even heated arguments to censorship....and censorship is a "gotcha" that GO likes to use to claim he isn't treated fairly. I won't play that game. I'd rather just tell him when I disagree. And that's not just GO, but anybody. I favor letting people speak their piece, and then calling them out if it seems necessary. And anybody can be wrong. I'm wrong a lot, and I try to be willing to listen to other people's POV.

I guess I ran Knarf off arguing with his SJW and #MeToo posts. I hope not. I just like to say what's on my mind. I try to be respectful to everyone. 

At heart, GO wants to be part of a group that thinks just like he does. He want to belong. He also likes to suck up to people he considers special, like Ashvin and LD.  He always writes them such effusive compliments, he's practically falling all over himself. It's completely transparent. But I think he often makes good points, and he's a good man. Libertarian belief systems resonate with me. But I've learned that for most high profile people, the powerful people of our world, that it's an excuse and a smokescreen.

If you read what Charles Koch says in an interview, you'd think he was a great guy and a genius. In reality, he's committed more atrocities than you can list. You have to judge on what people do, and not just on what they say.

Eddie, what a man SAYS IS IMPORTANT to determine if said person is untrustworthy when YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID IS FALSE! That's what you just said about the Kochroaches.

WHY do you think GO, a fierce defender of policies that have indisputably caused, and continue to cause, people to DIE EVERY DAY IN THIS COUNTRY is not bullshittting you?

How LONG do you give an unapologetic Trump supporter, who would rather have his tongue cut out than admit the INDISPUTABLE TRUTH THAT the Koch Libertarians are a pack of predatory murderers solidifying the profit over people and planet Oligarchy in the USA, the "benefit of continued dialogue"? 

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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #627 on: March 20, 2018, 02:35:28 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: This is an excellent presentation about their book in which these authors make crystal clear what an authoritarian attack on democracy   🦀represents.

Steven Levitsky & Daniel Ziblatt, "How Democracies Die"


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Published on Feb 6, 2018

Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt discuss their book, "How Democracies Die", on 1/25/18.

Levitsky and Ziblatt, professors of comparative politics at Harvard, have spent nearly twenty years studying the breakdown of democracies. Focusing on Latin America and Europe, respectively, the two didn’t expect to address the issue for the United States, but that changed when Trump was elected. Building on their December 2016 New York Times op-ed which asked “Is Donald Trump a Threat to Democracy?” they emphatically answer “yes,” outline the specific risks he poses, and chart ways we can avert the threat of authoritarianism. Drawing on examples of troubled states from around the world since the 1930s, Levitsky and Ziblatt point out that warning signs of collapse include the weakening of institutions, such as the judiciary and the media, erosion of political norms, and the rise of incivility.

http://www.politics-prose.com/book/97...

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Re: Corruption in Government
« Reply #628 on: March 20, 2018, 07:04:14 pm »
 Alex Jones  :evil4: Is Getting Sued (Again)

Brennan Gilmore is a smart, articulate guy who wants Alex Jones shut up for good. He does not want his case settled. He wants Jones to have to practice ethical journalism or be discredited, or go to jail. Jones gets sued a lot, and his usual response is to settle and issue an apology, which goes largely unnoticed. Not this time.


The lawsuit against Alex Jones, explained

Why a Foreign Service officer is suing Alex Jones for defamation, explained in a podcast.
By Julie Bogenjulie.bogen@vox.com Mar 19, 2018, 6:10pm EDT


When Foreign Service officer Brennan Gilmore learned that there was going to be an alt-right protest in Charlottesville, Virginia, he decided to attend as a counterprotester. What he didn’t realize is that his now-infamous video of a car driving into the crowd of counterprotesters would capture an American tragedy — and set him up as a target for death threats, hate mail, and doxxing.

“I am the center of these conspiracy theories that I’m behind the attacks in Charlottesville,” Gilmore told Today, Explained host Sean Rameswaram. “The general outline of the conspiracy theory is there is a deep state that is trying to overthrow Donald Trump and I am an operative of it. Alex Jones and his conspiracy theory says I was paid $320,000 by George Soros to come to Charlottesville to orchestrate the event, and then to get on mainstream media and lie about what happened — which would undermine Trump’s administration.”

This, of course, is nonsense. There is no deep state, no attempt to overthrow the president, and no ill intent on the part of Gilmore. So Gilmore is fighting back and suing Alex Jones and others for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

Learn how this could bring scrutiny to Jones’s notorious persona, and why conspiracy theories are so uniquely difficult to fight, on the latest episode of Today, Explained.

Go to Vox for the audio link. Gilmore is also on NPR today.

https://www.vox.com/today-explained/2018/3/19/17140050/alex-jones-charlottesville-las-vegas-defamation-lawsuit-today-explained-podcast


I do NOT agree with Vox that "there is no Deep State" I do think Alex Jones is a lying sack of s h i t.




  Same here.

Alex Jones actually harmed the 9/11 truth movement by screaming "inside job", with wide eyes, day after day, instead of discussing the science that would expose the government bullshit story. I think Alex Jones was put there to get out in front of the 9/11 Architects and Engineers truth movement in order to tarnish its reputation so they would be branded as tin foil conspiracy theorists.

Unfortunately for Amercian freedom, it worked. We were headed downhill before 9/11, but AFTER 9/11 our downward path turned into an alpine slope!  :P  :(
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