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Author Topic: Corporate Profits over Patient in the Health Care Field  (Read 2191 times)

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So....for anyone who actually took time to read what I just wrote, which is probably nobody, there are a couple more points that should be covered.

A guy like me with 5 to 10 more years of his working life left has a huge incentive to sell out to one of these corporate entities, and that's happening like crazy at the moment. It's a retirement windfall. In the US, it's illegal for a corporation to own a dental practice outright. S they have to partner with some dentists to make it legal. Guys like me sell out and then hang around until the transition is accomplished smoothly and then take their golden parachute....well, no really golden like an insurance CEO....call it a silver parachute.

And for those private dentists who don't want to do that, it's a choice:

1. Spend a lot on making your office look very affluent, and don't take insurance at all. Try to run a "carriage trade" practice. (If Caleb wanders in the door, he's shocked by the fees and starts looking for the pliers.)

2. Try to work with the various kinds of insurance and treat working people and welfare kids, for a LOT less money...and if you're fast and good, like me, you still make a decent living. (but it's less than you used to make, most likely) and you do do a s h i t ton of work for the money.

And you get very pissed off when guys like RE post articles like the one that started this thread.

Thanks for reading. I think it's about time to board the puddle-jumper to fly over to Beef Island.

Eddie, I have read all your posts and respect your opinion. You are swimming in a system not of your creation. I get that.

I also understand why RE's posts put a burr under your saddle, so to speak. You probably know him better than I do, but I am certain that, while RE is methodically, and accurately, listing the high costs of dealing with the health care system, you, just like K-dog when discussing the poor, probably think that RE prioritizes costs in ways that demonize medical/dental sine qua non care costs while being quite willing to temporarily forget them by spending a lot of cash on a Solar Eclipse viewing adventure.

Health goes before fun, you say. Generally speaking that is, of course, true. "Irresponsible" people whine about health care costs but do not bat an eye at buying a carton of ciggarettes or going on an alchoholic bing from time to time. Generally speaking, that is also true.

With that rationale, one can brand EVERY person that cannot afford health care because of our greed based sytem as "irresponsible".

Well, I disagree. RE has made some very valid points. You do not have to take it personally. I really do not understand why you do not attack the dental poobahs that REFUSE, despite having the knowledge and the skills to do so, to engage in a class action suit against every sugar pimping corporation from Coca Cola to Marrs and Hershey bar makers.

The meth addicts that ruin their teeth are a drop in the bucket compared with the millions  propagandized 24/7 by the teeth destroying sugar crap.

Are dentists (AND the AMA too!) afraid of the corporate power in the courts? I say, NO, they are NOT! The AMA knows EXACTLY how much business they are guaranteed from  chronic (the magic word for repeat business!  ) sugar related diseases like diabetes, obesity and cardiovascular problems. They are, like the Dental Poobahs in the USA, complicit in the overly expensive costs of health care, starting with the inflated education costs to other gate keeping functions that RE outlined.

Surly and I have some common ground in that my wife has had HUGE dental costs while I have had relatively few. I still have all my teeth at 70 plus years in the valley of tears.

As a retired Federal Employee, I have been there and done that with dental insurance for over 50 years. While I was actively employed, it covered just about everything. All that changed after I retired.

I have studied all the plans available to me as a Federal Retiree (which are a bit better than what is available to the average person out there). They are all, as RE pointed out in so many words, scams. A very brief study of what is covered and the limits per year of that coverage reveals that, even though these plans make a LOT of money because the pool of users is very large, they REFUSE to pass ANY of that onto the insured in lower costs or greater annual maximum coverage. SO, most people with two neurons to rub together look at the numbers and see that it is CHEAPER to NOT have the scam dental insurance than to have it.

Dental insurance costs are out of control. AND, as you said, what they pay the person who actually does the work, is also less than what it should be.

Yes, you and I are on the same page as far as recognizing that insurance corporations want to make the Dentist another wage slave.

Yes, that's why a lot of dentists don't take insurance and set up some VERY fancy offices that scare the poor away. At the  last dental "team" I had the misfortune to visit (they moved to a VERY fancy office shortly after I began to get care), they would not do ANY work on me or my wife (this was in 2008) until they had my credit card number, PERIOD. They had some nice pretty brochures in the waiting room with lots of neato ways to finance your dental care for only about 12% interest plus fees, of course 😇 😈. I do not finance dental care, period.

The deep scale root planing on me cost $800, in four sessions (one quarter of the mouth in each session) done by a dental technician. AFTER that, I got one filling (which fell out two years later and the molar NEVER stopped having hot and cold sensitivity until the filling fell out. LOL!).

My wife's work was about $7,000. It turned out that about $2,800 was covered by Blue Cross Blue Shield medical because the apictomy or whatever they call it was done by a maxilofacial surgeon. That was a VERY expensive year for me. I guess my wife and I are somewhat responsible for all our dental costs so I should not go the sob story route in relating our experience. Woe is us.

BUT, that does not mean that the Dental schools of medicine do not share in creating this untenable situation by gate keeping measures to keep the number of dentists down and charging 250K for the study of medicine. That is TOTAL HIGHWAY ROBBERY! If Germany can teach their doctors and dentists FREE, so can WE! Germany is certainly NOT a "socialist" country or one with medical training and certification standards "below" the USA, like you might claim Mexico has (though I think Mexican Dentists are well qualified).
Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life. Pr. 13:12


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