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Author Topic: Corporate Mendacity and Duplicity  (Read 7633 times)

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AGelbert

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Re: Corporate Mendacity and Duplicity
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2014, 07:25:38 pm »
Surly,
I totally disagree that this quote below is anything but an arrogant bit of pro-atheist puffery disguised as measured, objective prudent logic:
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The name of Einstein gets used in legends whose plots call for a smart person, one whom the audience will immediately recognize as such (i.e., modern tellings of an ancient legend about a learned rabbi who switches places with his servant feature Albert Einstein in the role of esteemed scholar). This venerated cultural icon has, at least in the world of contemporary lore, become a stock character to be tossed into the fray wherever the script calls for a genius.

 Likewise, "the atheist professor" is a figure common to a number of urban legends and anecdotes of the faithful: he gets flung into the mix where there's a need for someone to play the role of Science Vanquished in Science-versus-Religion tales. But he is not inserted merely to serve as an icon of learning to be humbled in tales that aim to teach that faith is of greater value than provable knowledge; he is also woven into these sorts of stories for his lack of belief. Just as the villain in oldtime melodramas  ::) had to have a waxed moustache, a black cape, and an evil laugh, so too must the bullying professor of such stories be an atheist: it would not be enough for him to be merely an insufferable, over-educated git arrogantly attempting to stretch the minds of his students by having them question something deeply believed. No, he must instead be someone who rejects the existence of God, an assignment of role that re-positions what might otherwise have been a bloodless debate about philosophy as an epic battle between two champions of faith and denial and sets up the action to unfold as one putting the boots to the other. 

 "The atheist professor" plays his expected role of getting his pants kicked in the Dropped Chalk tale, where he (once again) challenges his browbeaten students on the topic of God's existence.

If you CANNOT see the clever RIDICULE aimed at the Theist in defense of the Atheist, you are the one not being objective.

Consider what an objective person (someone who logically and reasonably questions the appeal to authority that doesn't know Einstein from Adam) does when he reads the name Albert Einstein. He thinks, well, that dude must have been a famous person known for his intelligence and his name could have been placed there as an appeal to authority (a fallacious logic debating technique).

So, he looks up EINSTEIN QUOTES to see where Einstein was coming from WITHOUT taking Snopes' OBVIOUSLY pro-atheist SPIN as valid regardless of whether Einstein said the quote or not.

It is absolutely necessary at this point in analysis to DIVORCE the quote validity from the appeal to authority. The QUOTE is to be studied as to its merits, not on whether Einstein, said it, but whether it is a valid statement.

Nevertheless, one must accept that the appeal to authority, if Einstein DID NOT say it, is fallacious logic and taints the statement's integrity.

But the Snopes' article attempts to add two and two and get FIVE!  :evil4: :emthdown: Because the appeal to authority CANNOT BE PROVEN, therefore the QUOTE is not to be taken seriously. BALONEY.

Einstein quotes:
1. I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.

2.Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.

3.My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

4.The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.

5.Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

6.The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.

7.There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.

8.The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.

9.The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science.

10.We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.

11.Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.

12.When the solution is simple, God is answering.

13.God does not play dice with the universe.

14.God is subtle but he is not malicious.

15. A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

16.Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.

17.The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for life.

18.Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.

19.Only a life lived for others is a life worth while.

20.The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.

21.The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.

22. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.

23.The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.

24.The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man.

25.True religion is real living; living with all one’s soul, with all one’s goodness and righteousness.

26.Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and fundamental ends. To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in the social life of man.


http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/einstein/

Could Eintein have made the QUOTE that Snopes says Einstein never made? From the above study of Einstein's ACTUAL QUOTES, I say, CERTAINLY (See quote number 17 and 11  = Atheist Professor. But there are LOTS more!)!
 
And for the Cherry Pickers that will jump on quote number 4 with both feet  :icon_mrgreen:, I suggest you balance that LOGICALLY and REASONABLY with the OTHER 25 QUOTES before inserting your evolutionary foot in your mouth. "Evolution" to a veggie diet is NOT what Darwin had in mind. LOL! So be REAL CAREFUL when you talk about Einstein and the word "evolution". :P

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

 

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