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Israel's Role In 9/11
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2019, 05:12:24 am »
remember the "dancing Israelis?" Never forget.

Israel's Role In 9/11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51715.htm

FBI evidence supports prior knowledge or complicity


By Philip Giraldi

June 03, 2019 "Information Clearing House" -  The tale of 9/11 will just not go away, largely because it is clear to anyone who reads the lengthy 9/11 Commission Report that many issues that should have been subject to inquiry were ignored for what would appear to be political reasons. The George W. Bush Administration quite obviously did not want to assume any blame for what had happened and that bias also extended to providing cover for U.S. “allies,” most particularly Saudi Arabia and Israel. Those who have sought the truth about 9/11 have been persistent in their attempts to find out information that was suppressed but they have been blocked repeatedly in spite of numerous FOIA requests.

Now, eighteen years after the event, there has been something like a breakthrough, penetrating the wall of silence erected by the government. FBI reports on the possible Israeli role in 9/11 were released on May 7th and they serve to support speculation by myself and other former intelligence officers that Israel, at a minimum, had detailed prior knowledge of what was to take place. More than that, Israeli intelligence officers working in the United States might well have enabled certain aspects of the conspiracy.

To recount some of what is already known and suspected, one should first examine the 2016 release of a heavily edited and redacted 28 pages long annex to the 9/11 Commission Report that explored the Saudi Arabian role in the terrorist attack . The section concluded that the Saudi government may have played a direct role in 9/11 by assisting two of the hijackers, including a dry run exercise intended to learn how to get into a plane’s cockpit. There was also considerable evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda.

But far exceeding the Saudi role is the involvement of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, which was not subject to any serious inquiry or investigation by U.S. intelligence or police agencies. Israel, in spite of obvious involvement in 9/11, was not included in the 9/11 Commission Report despite the existence of an enormous Israeli intelligence operation freely working in the United States that was known to the FBI. Some of those Mossad officers were notably filmed celebrating as the Twin Towers were burning and collapsing.

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In the year 2001 Israel was running a massive spying operation through a number of cover companies in New Jersey, Florida and also on the west coast that served as spying mechanisms for Mossad officers. The effort was supported by the Mossad Station in Washington D.C. and included a large number of volunteers, the so-called “art students” who traveled around the U.S. selling various products at malls and outdoor markets. The FBI was aware of the numerous Israeli students who were routinely overstaying their visas and some in the Bureau certainly believed that they were assisting their country’s intelligence service in some way, but it proved difficult to actually link the students to undercover operations, so they were regarded as a minor nuisance and were normally left to the tender mercies of the inspectors at the Bureau of Customs and Immigration.

American law enforcement was also painfully aware that the Israelis were running more sophisticated intelligence operations inside the United States, many of which were focused on Washington’s military capabilities and intentions. Some specialized intelligence units concentrated on obtaining military and dual use technology. It was also known that Israeli spies had penetrated the phone systems of the U.S. government, to include those at the White House.

In its annual classified counterespionage review, the FBI invariably places Israel at the top for “friendly” countries that spy on the U.S. In fact, the pre-9/11 Bureau did its best to stay on top of the problem, but it rarely received any political support from the Justice Department and White House if an espionage case involved Israelis. By one estimate, more than 100 such cases were not prosecuted for political reasons. Any Israeli caught in flagrante would most often be quietly deported and most Americans who were helping Israel were let off with a slap on the wrist.

But the hands-off attitude towards Israel shifted dramatically when, on September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife saw something from the window of her apartment building, which overlooked the World Trade Center. She watched as the buildings burned and crumbled but also noted something strange. Three young men were kneeling on the roof of a white transit van parked by the water’s edge, making a movie in which they featured themselves high fiving and laughing in front of the catastrophic scene unfolding behind them. The woman wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police, who responded quickly and soon both the local force and the FBI began looking for the vehicle, which was subsequently seen by other witnesses in various locations along the New Jersey waterfront, its occupants “celebrating and filming.”

The license plate number revealed that the van belonged to a New Jersey registered company called Urban Moving Systems. At 4 p.m. the vehicle was spotted and pulled over. Five men between the ages of 22 and 27 years old emerged and were detained at gunpoint and handcuffed. They were all Israelis. One of them had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock and another had two foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs reacted to the smell of explosives in the van, which had very little actual moving equipment inside.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan Kurzberg, stated “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” The four other passengers were Sivan’s brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men were detained at the Bergen County jail in New Jersey before being transferred the FBI’s Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which handles allegations of spying.

After the arrest, the FBI obtained a warrant to search Urban Moving System’s Weehawken, N.J., offices. Papers and computers were seized. The company owner Dominick Suter, also an Israeli, answered FBI questions but when a follow-up interview was set up a few days later it was learned that he had fled the country for Israel, putting both his business and home up for sale. The office space and warehouse were abandoned. It was later learned that Suter has been associated with at least fourteen businesses in the United States, mostly in New Jersey and New York but also in Florida. Suter and his wife Omit Levinson Suter were the owners of 1 Stop Cleaner located in Wellington Florida and Dominick was also associated with Basia McDonnell, described as a Polish “holocaust survivor,” as a business partner in yet another business called Value Ad. Florida was a main focus for the Israeli intelligence operation in the U.S. that was directed against Arabs.

The five Israelis were among 140 Israelis arrested after 9/11, most of whom had military backgrounds, including some who were trained in “intelligence.” The five were held in Brooklyn, initially on charges relating to visa fraud. FBI interrogators questioned them for more than two months. Several were held in solitary confinement so they could not communicate with each other and two of them were given repeated polygraph exams, which they failed when claiming that they were nothing more than students working summer jobs. The two men that the FBI focused on most intensively were believed to be Mossad staff officers and the other three were volunteers helping with surveillance.

The Israelis were not exactly cooperative, but the FBI concluded from documents obtained at their office in Weehawken that they were targeting Arabs in New York and New Jersey, most particularly in the Paterson N.J. area, which has the second largest Muslim population in the U.S. They were particularly interested in local groups possibly linked to Hamas and Hezbollah as well as in charities that might be used for fund raising. The FBI also concluded that the Israelis had actually monitored the activities of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers.

To be sure, working on an intelligence operation does not necessarily imply participation in either the planning or execution of something like 9/11, but there are Israeli fingerprints all over the place, with cover companies and intelligence personnel often intersecting with locations frequented by the hijackers.

Apart from the interrogations of the five men from Weehawken, the U.S. government has apparently never sought to find out what else the Israelis might have known or were up to in September 2011. There are a lot of dots that might well have been connected once upon a time, but the trail has grown cold. Police records in New Jersey and New York where the men were held have disappeared and FBI interrogation reports have been inaccessible. Media coverage of the case also died, though the five were referred to in the press as the “dancing Israelis” and by some, more disparagingly, as the “dancing Shlomos.”

Inevitably, the George W. Bush White House intervened. After 71 days in detention, the five Israelis were released from prison by Attorney General John Ashcroft, put on a plane, and deported. Two of the men later spoke about their unpleasant experience in America on an Israeli talk show, one explaining that their filming the fall of the Twin Towers was to “document the event.” In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.” They were represented by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, who in the previous year had founded the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center which seeks to bankrupt groups that Israel considers to be “terrorists.” Shurat HaDin is closely tied to the Israeli government.

Now it is just possible that the Urban Moving Israelis were indeed uninvolved in 9/11 but nevertheless working for Mossad, which the Israeli government even subsequently admitted, but the new evidence suggests that the Israelis almost certainly had considerable prior knowledge and were likely involved in what developed. The new information reveals that minutes after the first plane struck the World Trade Center, five Israelis had taken up position in the parking lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where they took pictures and filmed the attacks while also celebrating the fall of the towers and “high fiving.” One eyewitness interviewed by the Bureau had seen the Israelis’ van circling the building parking at 8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack, indicating prior knowledge of what was about to happen.

The eyewitness testimony is supported by copies of photos taken by the men that the FBI seized. The photo reproductions were obtained via a FOIA request made by a private citizen and are of poor quality, deliberately made so by the FBI to conceal faces and other details. They constitute only 14 of over seventy photos taken by the Israelis. Nevertheless, they clearly demonstrate that a celebration was going on. One photo, intriguingly, shows Sivan Kurzberg holding a lit lighter in front of the Manhattan Skyline on September 10th, one day before 9/11. It was apparently taken at the Doric Complex on a reconnoitering visit made on that day and suggests that Kurzberg was simulating the attack on the towers on the following day.

Why would the Israelis do it? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described 9/11 initially as “a good thing.” He was later quoted as saying somewhat more expansively “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.” To be sure, 9/11 was a gift to Israel and it is a gift that keeps on giving. America is at war in a number of Muslim countries and its troops blanket the Middle East, to include a base in Israel dedicated to the defense of that country. It is all a result of the Global War on Terror and the GWOT started with 9/11. And just maybe it was a fire that was ignited by Israel.

Philip Giraldi is a former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and a columnist and television commentator who is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is inform@cnionline.org.

This article was originally published by "Unz Review"-

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Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2019, 05:26:27 pm »
remember the "dancing Israelis?" Never forget.

Israel's Role In 9/11
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51715.htm

FBI evidence supports prior knowledge or complicity

Great post! 👍👍👍
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Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2019, 07:31:59 pm »


9/11 Free Fall

Niels Harrit: In Terms of Exposing What Happened on 9/11, We Have Already Won

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This is a narration of a video clip of the North Tower of the World Trade Center which focuses on explosive ejections progressing in waves down the faces of the building under the canopy of falling debris. Observation is the foundation of science.
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Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2019, 01:54:43 pm »

Particularly insightful is the "Of Two Minds" article. It addresses our situation quite well:


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I now see a very obvious trajectory that I think applies to all empires that have been too successful, that is, empires which have defeated all rivals or have reached such dominance they have no real competitors.

Once there are no truly dangerous rivals to threaten the Imperial hegemony and prosperity, the ambitions of insiders turn from glory gained on the battlefield by defeating fearsome rivals to gaining an equivalently undisputed power over the imperial political system.

The empire's very success in eliminating threats and rivals dissolves the primary source of political unity: with no credible external threat, insiders are free to devote their energies and resources to destroying political rivals.

It's difficult not to see signs of this same trajectory in the U.S. since the fall of the Soviet Empire in 1990.

With the primary source of national unity gone, politics became more divisive. After 9/11, new wars of choice were pursued, but the claims of a mortal threat to the nation never really caught on. As a result, the unity that followed 9/11 quickly dissipated.

I have long held that America's Deep State--the permanent, un-elected government and its many proxies and public-private partnerships--is riven by warring elites. There is no purpose in making the conflict public, so the battles are waged in private, behind closed doors.

Competing nations must be just as amazed as Rome's neighbors at America's seemingly unquenchable drive to self-destruct via the in-fighting of entrenched elites and the battle for supremacy between various parasitic elites who hold the power and privilege to squander the nation's resources on needless self-destructive wars of choice and on domestic in-fighting.

I suspect this trajectory of great success leading to self-destructive waste of resources is scale-invariant, meaning it works the same on individuals, families, communities, enterprises, cities, states, nations and empires.

Indeed, the trajectory is scale-invariant.
Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. -- Provebs 26:12

As he says, the 9/11 based wars of choice fooled most Americans for only a brief time before they realized the wars had ZIP to do with National Security/Defense and EVERYTHING to do with the M.I.C. "business model".

What he should have mentioned is that 9/11 was evidence of deep state fascists gaining undisputed power over the imperial political system (SEE: Fascist Coup d'etat). It was BECAUSE of 9/11 that those wars of choice came about. It was BECAUSE of the 2000 stolen election, aided and abetted by the Supreme (fascist) Court, that a PNAC M.I.C. caused false flag "New Pearl Harbor", planned since 1998, could become a reality.

We now know what Bush, the 2000-2008 M.I.C. Hydrocarbon Hellspawn front man, REALLY meant when he said, in August of 2001, that he was "going fishing" (SEE: two WTC shaped rectangular lures ).



Doom and Fascist Gloom aside for a moment, there is some good news. The Green Party WON in Germany That has never happened before. Expect 2016-2020 M.I.C. Hydrocarbon Hellspawn front man Trump to spew twitter vitriol on Germany with even more demonic vigor than ever before.
He had better bring a sandwich.
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Retired Turkish spy claims he warned CIA about 9/11 attacks 40 days in advance


www.dailysabah.com - The founder of the counter-terrorism department of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization (MIT) has claimed in his new book that he warned U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) about the Sept. …
https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/2019/06/14/retired-turkish-spy-claims-he-warned-cia-about-911-attacks-40-days-in-advance

🤔 Hmmmmm. This looks like a limited hang out by the CIA, it being that the Engineers for 9/11 Truth have been carefully and systematically shredding the WTC 7 "collapse" baloney pushed by NIST. As the CIA has done since 9/11, this appears to be still another attempt to keep the horrible truth about M.I.C. responsiblity for the planning of 9/11, the execution of 9/11, and the subsequent active and continuous cover up of the truth about 9/11 suppressed.

There are two "tells" in the article that point to deliberate disinformation about both 9/11 and the criminal perpetrators of 9/11. The first one is the assumption that al-Qaida terrorists did it:
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"... was informed of the attack staged by al-Qaida terrorists through a source he reveals as a Turkish drug dealer called Mustafa."
These people know how to use words to twist the truth all out of proportion. Of particular interest is the clever inclusion of the word, "staged". YES, 9/11 was staged. False Flags are always staged. But, they want you to MISassociate the word, "staged" so the term, "False Flag" does not come to mind. They want you to think "al-Qaida", not "U.S. Government False Flag", when you read the word,"staged". In order to achieve this perfidy, the sentence is formulated to point people in exactly the wrong direction, but they don't stop there.

They add some bullshit icing to that disinformation turdcake in the second "tell". That is, the "brave spy" TWICE plants the KEY disinformation word ("collapse") that was pushed by the U.S. Government from the start:
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... World Trade Center collapsing. I was in the United States back then. We have watched the towers collapse ...




Yeah, right, he watched the towers "collapse", not undergo explosive demolition.

Yeah, right, al-Qaida terrorists did it, not M.I.C. fascist bastard False Flag experts in the U.S. Government in order to fund the fake "war on terror" Pentagon SWAG and bring in-our-faces Fascism to the USA through the "Patriot" act.

Yeah, right, the CIA had "language translating" problems to understand his "dire warning of al-Qaida's evil plan to huff and puff and blow the WTC towers and Rumsfeld's Pentagon accounting office away" message.

Yeah, right, the CIA had absolutely no prior knowledge of, and certainly took no active part in, the plan to plant explosives in three WTC buildings in order to 😈 "collapse" them on 9/11, fire a missile from a U.S. military aircraft at the Pentagon accounting office with the missing 2.3 Trillion dollar "accounting problem" Rumsfeld "casually mentioned" on September 10, 2001 or U.S. Air force conversion of empty passenger jets into drones to be directed from WTC 7 to hit two WTC towers.


Don't buy the book.

     
 
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9/11 Unmasked: An International Review Panel Investigation Paperback – September 11, 2018

by David Ray Griffin (Author), Elizabeth Woodworth (Author)


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"The truth is out there hiding in plane sight: in videos, government reports, FOIA documents, and in the physical evidence. This book highlights many issues that the American people should know more about. We owe a debt of gratitude to these fine people for 17 years worth of continuing to seek the difficult truth about 9/11." -Lorie Van Auken, widow of Kenneth Van Auken, who was killed at WTC 1 on 9/11, and member of the Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Commission

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"9/11 ushered in a generation of war and destruction. And yet, despite its importance, much of the event remains poorly understood. 9/11 Unmasked provides an authoritative and carefully argued exposition of key problems with the official narrative. Nearly 20 years on, it is high time mainstream journalists and academics addressed these issues." --Professor Piers Robinson, Chair in Politics, Society and Political Journalism, University of Sheffield

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"The Consensus 9/11 Panel, on which I've served, harnesses to devastating effect the power of citizens to critically investigate the official narrative of 9/11. -Dr. Graeme MacQueen, author of The 2001 Anthrax Deception

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"Contemplate the truth of the gigantic criminal hoax that has betrayed the USA and the world." --James W. Douglass, author, JFK and the Unspeakable

From the Back Cover

A panel of experts highlight the problems with all major claims of the official account of the 9/11 attacks.

Many Americans have been embarrassed by the Trump presidency. But Americans should also be embarrassed by the fact that this country's foreign policy since 2001, which has resulted in millions of deaths, has been based on a complex deception.

9/11 Unmasked is the result of a six-year investigation by an international review panel, which has provided 51 points illustrating the problematic status of all the major claims in the official account of the 9/11 attacks, some of which are obviously false. Most dramatically, the official account of the destruction of the Twin Towers and World Trade Center 7 could not possibly be true, unless the laws of physics were suspended that day.

But other claims made by the official account, including the claims that the 9/11 planes were taken over by al-Qaeda hijackers, that one of those hijackers flew his plane into the Pentagon, and that passengers on the planes telephoned people on the ground are also demonstrably false.

The book reports only points about which the panel reached consensus by using the best-evidence consensus model 👍👍👍 employed in medical research. The panel is composed of experts about 9/11 from many disciplines, including physics, chemistry, structural engineering, aeronautical engineering, and jurisprudence.

Agelbert NOTE: Listen to this excellent interview of Elizabeth Woodworth, who authored the above book with David Ray Griffin. It turns out that she first she got interested in investigating 9/11 when she read David Ray Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor" book. She contacted him and that began their partnership for the purpose of bringing the truth of 9/11 to the public.

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Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2019, 06:29:18 am »
Looks like a must read. Have followed David ray griffin for years.

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Looks like a must read. Have followed David Ray Griffin for years.
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I just learned that David Ray Griffin has written a lot of books related to 9/11. "Bush and Cheney: How They Ruined America and the World", is his latest and appears to be a great read as well.


The most prolific scholar – by far – on 9/11 is a Christian and Professor Emeritus of Religious Studies, David Ray Griffin.

Why does this scholar, highly-esteemed within and without his own academic field, not swallow the collapse-by-fire miracles? He has written over 10 books on the subject of 9/11, his latest being Bush and Cheney: How They Ruined America and the World.

He has also recently authored and co-authored two books on climate change. So he’s on the same page as most of the self-styled skeptics (in no way referring to the so-called climate skeptics, of course) with climate change but not with 9/11.

As summarised by Edward Curtin in his review of Griffin’s book, here are the 15 miracles that Griffin identified that the self-styled skeptics have swallowed:

1. The Twin Towers and WTC 7 were the only steel-framed high-rise buildings ever to come down without explosives or incendiaries.

2. The Twin Towers, each of which had 287 steel columns, were brought down solely by a combination of airplane strikes and jet-fuel fires.

3. WTC 7 was not even hit by a plane, so it was the first steel-framed high-rise to be brought down solely by ordinary building fires.

4. These World Trade Center buildings also came down in free fall – the Twin Towers in virtual free fall, WTC 7 in absolute free fall – for over two seconds.

5. Although the collapses of the of the WTC buildings were not aided by explosives, the collapses imitated the kinds of implosions that can be induced only by demolition companies.

6. In the case of WTC 7, the structure came down symmetrically (straight down, with an almost perfectly horizontal roofline), which meant that all 82 of the steel support columns had to fall simultaneously, although the building’s fires had a very asymmetrical pattern.

7. The South Tower’s upper 30-floor block changed its angular momentum in midair.

8. This 30 floor block then disintegrated in midair.

9. With regard to the North Tower, some of its steel columns were ejected out horizontally for at least 500 feet.

10. The fires in the debris from the WTC buildings could not be extinguished for many months.

11. Although the WTC fires, based on ordinary building fires, could not have produced temperatures above 1,800°, the fires inexplicably melted metals with much higher melting points, such as iron (2,800°) and even molybdenum (4,753°).

12. Some of the steel in the debris had been sulfidized, resulting in Swiss-cheese-appearing steel, even though ordinary building fires could not have resulted in the sulfidation.

13. As a passenger on AA Flight 77, Barbara Olson called her husband, telling him about hijackers on her plane, even though this plane had no onboard phones and its altitude was too high for a cell phone call to get through.

14. Hijacker pilot Hani Hanjour could not possibly have flown the trajectory of AA 77 to strike Wedge 1 of the Pentagon, and yet he did.

15. Besides going through an unbelievable personal transformation, ringleader Mohamed Atta also underwent an impossible physical transformation.

Read more:

http://www.consensus911.org/why-do-self-styled-skeptics-believe-in-their-own-brand-of-miracles/
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Agelbert NOTE: This video was published Oct 31, 2012. There is a blizzard of financial details and connections, all of which are provided with evidence pointing to, not just prior knowledge of 9/11, but criminal complicity to arrange to have certain people die in the WTC towers that day.

I am certain that the people that died in the Pentagon and the WTC towers on 9/11 were only those people that were set up to die by these evil fascist bastards that perpetrated 9/11. Once the plan for 9/11 was fleshed out, probably in early 2001, a careful mens rea process of scheduling certain people to live and others to die was carried out on a strictly 😈 "need to know" basis.

You can tell who found out last by those that "rescheduled" WTC meetings during early September of 2001. More importantly, you can tell who were those that were in on this planned mass murder early on by corporate offices that moved out of the WTC during the spring and summer months of 2001. The office moves are not covered in this video but you can research them on the internet successfully. It is a 🐉🦕🦖 Who's Who of the Bush clan family friends and business associates. The video does cover some of the Bush skullduggery. That evil rabbit hole goes deep, however.

As evil as that behavior was, and still is, what I find most revealing is the evidence that the two aircraft that hit the WTC towers were actually U.S. Air Force drones. Several B767 had been previously sent to an Air Force base in Florida for "conversions" to incorporate air refueling AND, more significantly, "drone control and flight termination" technology. A pod is fitted on the aircraft which enables remote flight control from hundreds of miles away and, if need be, explosive termination.

The allegation in the video that passengers and pilots in the crashed jets, which "could have been whisleblowers because they were Pentagon connected", "died" that day is, IMHO, an erroneous assumption. In fact, beng Pentagon connected makes the possibility that they were set up to die rather suspicious. It's much more likely that they were part of the tear jerking ruse, so near and dear to the Pentagon False Flaggers, to make the American Public believe they were "murdered by evil hijacker terrorist Ayrabs".

So, where did those "passengers" go? They ALL went into the FBI "Witness Protection Program". They are still there, with new identities. They will never talk because they will be murdered if they do. Besides that, the Witness Protection Program guarantees an income for the life of every person in it. In the case of the 9/11 people, I'm sure it is a LOT MORE than the normal amount.

Finally, this video details, step by step, how it was possible to rig the buildings for explosives, who contracted said explosives experts and who was IMMEDIATELY contracted to eliminate all the evidence of explosive controlled demolition after the buildings were demolished. The speed with wich the clean up began is itself evidence of prior knowledge. THEY WERE NOT SHOCKED! THEY ACTED IMMEDIATELY! 

Of interest to any reader that claims I am engaging in a "conspiracy theory" when I claim the jet drones that hit the WTC towers were controlled from WTC 7 is the FACT that the FIRST building to have all the "debris" removed from the demolition site was WTC 7.
 

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Dancing Iranians : Is President Trump Preparing to Blame Iran for 9/11?
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Today on TRUNEWS we discuss the troubling reality that the Deep State is circumventing President Trump in order to wage a clandestine cyber war against Russia, while his top advisors are planting seeds of propaganda in order to justify a nuclear war with Iran. Rick Wiles, Edward Szall, Doc Burkhart, Kerry Kinsey. Airdate June 17, 2019.

Agelbert NOTE: I am certain that Trump 🦀 is NOT being "circumvented", even in regard to Russia. Despite appearances, the 🦖 Deep State (= M.I.C), of which Trump is a full fleged member (pretending to be an "outsider" with misleading populist rhetoric), is a Hydrocarbon Hellspawn FRIEND of 🦕 Russia at this time.

In regard to the warmongering against Iran, I am certain that Trump is willingly complicit in, if not the leader of, this heinous Wag the Dog skullduggery. WHY?

Because Trump believes a war with Iran will enable him to win the 2020 election. Furthermore, besides being a bought and paid for determined to do WHATEVER to raise the price of oil on behalf of the M.I.C. OIL-igarchy, Trump is quite happy to go along with the wishes of his Saudi pals ("The Saudis are willing to fight the Iranians to the last drop of American blood" --  Col. Wilkerson >:(

 
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9/11 Free Fall


Host Andy Steele is joined by artist Fredric Riskin, whose recent gallery exhibit, "9/11: The Collapse of Conscience," highlighted flaws in the official story of the WTC destruction that the 9/11 Truth movement has been pointing out for years.


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9/11 Grand Jury Update: U.S. Attorney's Lips Sealed, Lawyers' Committee to File Mandamus

AE911Truth  July 6, 2019

On this week's episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by Mick Harrison and David Meiswinkle of the Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry to discuss the latest on the federal grand jury proceeding in Manhattan.

The group announced earlier this week that they plan to file a Mandamus petition in federal court prior to the upcoming 9/11 anniversary since the U.S. Attorney's Office declined last month to disclose the status of the grand jury proceeding. The goal of this legal action is to confirm whether the U.S. Attorney presented the group's 2018 petition reporting unprosecuted federal crimes at the World Trade Center to a special grand jury, as mandated by federal statute.

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https://www.ae911truth.org/news/535-9-11-grand-jury-update-u-s-attorney-s-lips-sealed-lawyers-committee-to-file-mandamus
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July 27, 2019

By Ted Walter

From left to right: Commissioner Philip F. Malloy, Jr.; Commissioner Dennis G. Lyons; District Secretary Kerry Santina; Commissioner Joseph M. Torregrossa; Attorney Kenneth Gray; Commissioner Christopher L. Gioia; Commissioner Les Saltzman

They started off by saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Ten minutes later, they were reading the text of a resolution claiming the existence of “overwhelming evidence” that “pre-planted explosives . . . caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings.”

And so it was, on July 24, 2019 — nearly 18 years after the horrific attacks that traumatized a nation and changed the world forever — the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District became the first legislative body in the country to officially support a new investigation into the events of 9/11.



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The Franklin Square and Munson Fire District 9/11 Resolution

Whereas, the attacks of September 11, 2001, are inextricably and forever tied to the Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department;

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, while operating at the World Trade Center in New York City, firefighter Thomas J. Hetzel, badge #290 of Hook and Ladder Company #1, Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department of New York, was killed in performance of his duties, along with 2,976 other emergency responders and civilians;

Whereas, members of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department were called upon to assist in the subsequent rescue and recovery operations and cleanup of the World Trade Center site, afflicting many of them with life-threatening illnesses as a result of breathing the deadly toxins present at the site;

Whereas, the Board of Fire Commissioners of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District recognizes the significant and compelling nature of the petition before the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York reporting un-prosecuted federal crimes at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, and calling upon the United States Attorney to present that petition to a Special Grand Jury pursuant to the United States Constitution and 18 U.S.C. SS 3332(A);

Whereas, the overwhelming evidence presented in said petition demonstrates beyond any doubt that pre-planted explosives and/or incendiaries — not just airplanes and the ensuing fires — caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings, killing the vast majority of the victims who perished that day;

Whereas, the victims of 9/11, their families, the people of New York City, and our nation deserve that every crime related to the attacks of September 11, 2001, be investigated to the fullest and that every person who was responsible face justice;

NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Board of Fire Commissioners of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District fully supports a comprehensive federal grand jury investigation and prosecution of every crime related to the attacks of September 11, 2001, as well as any and all efforts by other government entities to investigate and uncover the full truth surrounding the events of that horrible day.



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“We’re a tight-knit community and we never forget our fallen brothers and sisters. You better believe that when the entire fire service of New York State is on board, we will be an unstoppable force.” — Commissioner Christopher Gioia
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Re: 911 > September 11 2001 > U.S. Fascist COUP?
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2019, 05:06:48 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: The comments are EXCELLENT!. As usual, the Pentagon Trolls tried to poo poo the story but the FACT is that NY Fire Departments have a lot more street cred than our bullshitting gooberment does. The ZH crowd carved up the Trolls like a bunch of Thanksgiving turkeys! The only thing I like about the ZH crowd is that they absolutely despise wars and war funding. 👍


Yep. The Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth have been consistent on the side of truth for the last 15 years or so.

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AE911Truth  August 4, 2019

Seeking Justice for 9/11 Heroes: An Interview with New York Area Fire Commissioner Christopher Gioia

On this week's episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by Franklin Square Fire Commissioner Christopher Gioia to discuss his fire district’s recent passage of a historic resolution supporting a new investigation into events of 9/11.

We invite you to listen on SoundCloud or YouTube or to read the interview below.


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Andrew Steele: On July 24, 2019, the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, which oversees a volunteer fire department that serves a hamlet of 30,000 residents, just outside of Queens, New York, made history by unanimously passing a resolution that supports a new investigation into the events of September 11, 2001, becoming the first legislative body in the country to do so.

Today, we're joined by the man who introduced that resolution, Christopher Gioia. He's a former firefighter and chief of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department, and now a commissioner that oversees that department. Mr. Gioia, welcome to the show.

Christopher Gioia: Thank you very much, Mr. Steele.

Steele: Before we get into the big news that everybody is talking about in the movement, and all throughout alternative media, we want to get to know you a little bit more, so please tell us about yourself and your career.

Gioia: Well, let's see. I am presently in the construction industry. Franklin Square Fire Department is a volunteer fire department. We're comprised of people from all walks and all trades. I've been in Franklin Square, I guess, for most of my life. I grew up maybe a block away from the firehouse, so when I was growing up, I used to sit on the curb and watch the firetrucks go by. I always wanted to be a fireman.

In the meantime, I completed high school, and I had joined the Marine Corps. When I had gotten out of the Marine Corps, I came back to town, and I wanted to continue my service, because the fire department is a paramilitary organization, so I went to the fire department, and I joined the local fire department. I've been with the Franklin Square/Munson Fire Department now for 32 years. I rose through the ranks, lieutenant and captain. I went through the chief's office. We have three chiefs, second assistant, first assistant, and then you become chief of department. Those are two-year terms.

Then some years went by. We also have the fire district, which is comprised of five fire commissioners, who are responsible for the buildings and the grounds, the maintenance of the equipment, uniforms, and such. Pretty much, it's administrative, and you pay the bills, but it is an elected position, and you have to submit a petition and run for office, and there are other people out there that you have to run against, so you actually have to mount a campaign. Then whatever monies, because it's public money, everything has to be done according to state law. Everything has to be voted on, and there's policies and procedures, and everything has to be on the up and up and above board.

We are audited by the state. We have our own internal auditors. Every penny is accounted for, and we do run a tight ship over here. I've been a commissioner now for about, I guess, three years. They're five-year terms, so I'm probably about halfway through. You lose track of time. When you get older, things have a tendency to blur a little bit.

Steele: Is it just one term that you have or are allowed, or are you allowed to run again, when the five years are up?

Gioia: You can run again for another five-year term. You could actually stay in office. The other four commissioners have been in office 10, 15, maybe 20 years, so I'm pretty much the new kid on the block. The other members... We have another ex-chief, who's sitting on the board, as well. He was chief of the department back in the late '80s or the early '90s. That would actually be Commissioner Malloy. Then you have Commissioner Saltzman, who is a member of Engine Company Number Three. You have Commissioner Lyons, who is a member of Engine Company Number Two. Commissioner Joseph Torregrossa, he's the chairman, and he's also a member of Engine Company Number Two.

You can run again. Five-year terms is a long time, but if you're in there, and you like what you're doing, it's pretty procedural after... For me, personally, after being chief and being commissioner, coming into the district, it's actually a less hectic pace. When you're chief, you respond to every call, and you're out there on the front lines. Pretty much, the commissioners are the ones in the background, just paying all the bills. It's a lot less hectic. It's more relaxed. When you get a little older, you want to be a little bit more relaxed.

Steele: I understand that myself, as I'm getting older. Believe me. Now, please tell us about your 9/11 story. Where were you on the day of September 11th, and how did you first hear the news?

Gioia: On 9/11, I was working... As I said, I do construction for a living. I'm a construction surveyor. I work for a large construction company. I was working on new construction of a small power plant on the river, the East River in Brooklyn, just north of the Williamsburg Bridge. I was working with a gentleman, who works in Upstate New York. We were working. We're less than two miles from the Trade Center, and you have a spectacular view of Manhattan from the Brooklyn side of the river.

We heard this explosion, me and my partner, and he remarked something like, “Is somebody blasting around here?” Because he knew what the sound was. It didn't register, so we looked around, and somebody said, “Hey, look! The Trade Center, the Twin Towers, is on fire.” We were looking at it, and we're like... We pretty much knew right away. We're like, okay, a plane hit it or a helicopter hit it. It was up high, and there was enough smoke and fire that we could see.

Then somebody ran out of one of the trailers and said that a plane had hit the North Tower. It was a spectacularly beautiful day. It was just this beautiful blue sky. There wasn't a cloud in the sky, and it was this perfect day. I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, this guy, whoever was flying the plane, how could you hit the building? It's just absolutely perfect flying weather.

I have survey equipment, which is pretty much like a telescope, so we focused the instruments on the North Tower, and I could see the imprint of the plane. I could actually see everything. Just looking at it, it was registering that we all thought it was maybe a small propeller plane, like a Piper Cub or something like that, but just from looking at the damage, it was like you knew that it was something larger.

In the meantime, then, the person... People were running around, scurrying, and they didn't know what was going on, and then all of a sudden, we were watching. Then from our vantage point, we couldn't see the plane coming from the other side, because the second plane that hit the South Tower came from the Statue of Liberty side, which is the New Jersey side, and the building exploded, and it blew out on the side, and then all hell broke loose. We were like, we're under attack, you know?

People just wanted to leave the job. Me and my partner, we were transfixed on what we were seeing, because we had the instruments set up, and people wanted to see what was going on. We actually could see people waving for help. I could see people waving their clothes from the windows. I actually saw the lady who was perched at the bottom of the impact hole in the North Tower. I believe she was identified, and she ultimately wound up being killed, but I saw her.

Then it got even worse, because then you saw people jumping out of the building, and then that was it. I couldn't watch it anymore, and I had to get home to my wife and my kids. My son was just about a year old. I told my boss. I said, “Listen, I'm out of here,” so I jumped in my truck, and we're about... From Brooklyn to my house is probably about 20 miles, and it's about maybe five or six miles to get to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway.

When I had driven about five miles to get on the expressway, when I got up to the expressway, I looked in the rear view mirror, and the whole sky of Manhattan down by the Trade Centers was just blacked out by this cloud. I guess the North Tower had collapsed, but I didn't know it yet. People had just stopped on the highway, and everybody was just staring. I turned on the radio, and then all kinds of reports were coming in. I just, I flew home, and I made it home in record time. It must've taken me 15-20 minutes, because I was literally doing 90 miles an hour down the highway to get home.

I got home, and I threw open the door. My wife looked at me, and she goes, the South Tower just collapsed. I couldn't understand. I said to her, I go, “What do you mean the South Tower just collapsed?” I go, “What happened to the North Tower?” She said, “That one collapsed 15 minutes ago.” I just sat back down on the couch with my wife, and we just sat there, and we watched TV. We were just in shock, because it was just too much to take in. We just sat there, and we just watched, watched the TV, and we just watched everything, as it unfolded.

Steele: It was horrible enough to watch it on television from Florida, where I was at the time. I can't imagine standing there watching what you just described through your equipment that day, and seeing that. I know for New Yorkers, it had, of course, a more profound impact, because they actually lived it, people in New York and in the surrounding areas. It happened right in front of them. I understand that you had friends that died on September 11th. Do you want to tell us about them, and the lives that they lived?

Gioia: Yes, that's correct, Andrew. I lost three of my friends, who were city firemen. One of them, Thomas Hetzel, was in the department here in Franklin Square. The other two lived in Franklin Square, and I was friends with them. I grew up with firefighter, Robert Evans. We used to pretty much hang out, maybe down at the park. He was a friend from school. Then the other firefighter, Michael Kiefer, he was one of these kids who used to come around the firehouse on his bicycle, and he was a... We'd call him a buff. He would have his scanner, and he would follow the trucks around. He grew up, and he joined the fire department.

He went into the towers. He responded. They never found him. I think they found little bits and pieces of Bobby. I was speaking to his sister the other day. They actually recovered some more parts or bone fragments. Tom they found in a stairwell. He was on his way out of the building. I was really good friends with Tom. I pretty much grew up with him. I went to his wedding. We did things together, and he was a good friend. They were all good people.

Steele: September 11th happened. You obviously have a personal connection to the event through your friends that died, through the fire department. How did you come to be exposed to the World Trade Center evidence that AE911Truth puts forth?

Gioia: After 9/11, the town really pulled together, the town of Franklin Square. We opened up the firehouse, and people were asked to drop off donations, whatever they could donate in the way of maybe food, water, clothing, whatever supplies that they could think of, that we packed onto a truck, and we actually brought down to Ground Zero to give out to the rescue workers. One of my friends in the fire department is a retired airline pilot. He was an FAA instructor. He flew every kind of aircraft, and he was totally familiar with jet planes and everything like that.

One of the stories that struck us odd, right from the get-go, and he even said this, was that they mentioned that the hijackers had turned off the system on the plane, and that stopped the air traffic controllers from seeing them. He was like, “Well, if they turn that off, that doesn't erase the radar signature.” That always struck me as odd, and even struck him as odd, because they were saying, well, they couldn't track the plane, but that's not true.

That always stuck in my brain, and then years went by, and didn't think anything of it. Pretty much, we were trying to get our lives back on track, I'd say, for the first year, went to numerous wakes and funerals for a solid year, of just firemen and cops and civilians who were killed. It wasn't a pleasant time. It was actually a time that I really don't care to remember too much. I guess I've repressed the memories, and it's kind of hazy, but I do remember enough.

Then we gradually built our lives back, and life pretty much got back to normal, even though you have the wars going on, and you have... All kinds of things were going on, but people accepted it, and we had to move on. We had to carry on, and we did.

Being in the construction industry, I speak with a lot of people. I was talking with some people, and we were talking about building construction, and we got onto talking about how the towers had collapsed. Then one of the guys that I was talking with said, “You know about Building 7?”

I was like, “Well, what about Building 7? What is it? What was it?” I really didn't know too much about it. I knew that a third building had come down, but at the time you're watching this, I guess I really started watching the news a couple of days after 9/11, when Franklin Square was called into the city, and we had to do standby duty at a city firehouse. We were all glued around the TV, and they kept showing Building 7 from uptown, like around the Empire State Building, so you could see the building come down. At the time, nobody really cared about Building 7, because everybody was more fixated on the Twin Towers.

Then this person that I was speaking with, another one of the construction workers, he's like, “Yeah,” he goes, “that building came down. It wasn't hit by a plane, and I have some real good photos/videos of it close up.” He started showing me that, and then on one of the videos, you could actually see the windows blowing out, and the windows blew out on multiple floors, all at the same time, and then the building buckled on both ends, and then the roof... The roof had initially caved in, but then the whole building came down symmetrically.

I just stood there, and I looked at him. I was like, “You've got to be kidding me. Where did you get that?”

He's like, “It's on the web. You could go online, and you could bring up pictures of all of this.”


That's what spurred my curiosity, so I went online, and I started researching pictures of the collapses. I'm looking at the collapses, and then I'm hitting different websites. There's a lot of crap out there, and there's a lot of people who are off the wall with all kinds of different theories about everything, but I wasn't interested in that. I was more interested in the dynamics of the collapse.

I looked at Building 7 in the closeup, and then somebody had stitched together, I guess, some pictures of a controlled demolition, and they put it side by side, next to Building 7. Then I was looking at... I was going through the interviews, and then I was looking at the news reports. There was a report from Dan Rather, and he said he was watching Building 7, and how it reminded him of a controlled demolition.

I'm looking at that building, and now, from a construction point of view, and then from being a fireman, and I'm like, “There's something literally wrong with this picture, because fire doesn't act like that.” If the building wasn't hit by a plane... They said there were raging fires, and there were no raging fires in Building 7. There was fires on a few floors, and by the time of the collapse, they had pretty much gone out. There was damage when the North Tower collapse. Okay, I get that, but the building would've collapsed on the damaged side, and it would've been an asymmetrical collapse. It wouldn't have been a symmetrical collapse.

Even if you look at the video of the building coming down, it doesn't collapse from the top. You see the roof coming down, but it starts to collapse from the bottom. All the core columns, I know from construction, all the core columns had to have been severed at the same time, for a uniform, symmetrical collapse like that. There's no two ways about it, never going to have a steel frame building collapse in that fashion without something else going on.

That spurred me on even further, and I started looking into more videos. Then I was interested in what eyewitnesses had to say, because I don't... I'm not going on hearsay, and I'm not going on theories. I want to know what people saw. There's a lot of testimony there from the firemen and police, first responders, as to what they saw and they heard. I believe about 200 or so mention explosions. They saw red flashes. There was a lot of popping, explosions, and everybody had pretty much... There was a common theme. They all said they thought it was... It almost looked like a controlled demolition. The people actually said that.

Then I'm like, all right, but you know, I'm going through. I'm surfing the web, and then I hit Architects and Engineers website, and this website had it all together, and it presented it in a logical fashion, yeah, all right, this is what happened. Then they back it up with professional people, and they... backed up by eyewitness testimony and how certain things are just not possible. You can't suspend the laws of physics. Gravity only operates downward. It doesn't operate from outward. The laws of science most certainly do apply. The laws of the building, the way the buildings were constructed, that applies. If you put theories to the test, which they have, then you prove that it's not really a theory anymore, or you eliminate things that just are impossible to happen.

That coalesced in my mind. Then after, I would say, two or three years of doing research and digging, digging through testimony, and looking at pictures, and hitting various websites, it pretty much was obvious that the official government narrative is not really what happened that day. It's absolutely far from the truth, and it's not a good thing.

What was done, it was something... It was terrible, and it was perpetrated on the American public by, I'm just going to say, a rogue group, and there was an agenda. There definitely was an agenda. There was a lot going on, and a lot of good people got killed. That's something that this country cannot tolerate, because it just goes against everything that we stand for. People were murdered for that, and that's something that... You know what? That really disturbs me, and I know it disturbs a lot of other people, too.

Steele: Absolutely, and I think you really lay out the evidence very well, from your own research and perspective. When you woke up to this, through your slow process of deep research, like so many of us, did you speak to other people about this, other firefighters? What were their reactions? I'd also like to know, what did this do to your world view?

Gioia: When I first started talking to people about it, they just kind of laughed it off, and they were like, you're crazy, and you don't know what you're talking about. They just kind of blew it off. Then I would say, “Well, wait a minute. Look at these pictures with me.” You could see, if you look at the Twin Towers exploding, and really look below the collapse, at the beginning, you could actually see floors blowing out in a pattern coming down. Then the debris from the collapsing floors covers it up, but you can actually see the floors blowing out. There's some really good pictures of that.

I would try to tell people that maybe it's not all as it seems, and that there's definitely something else here that we need to look at. Initially, people didn't want to know, and it is definitely a sensitive issues, because we're pretty much right on top of it, but I'm persistent. I brought it up to a few people, and I showed them a few things to spur their curiosity. I don't think it changed my world view. I think that, if anything, I always knew that the other world was a crazy place.

Steele: What first gave you the idea to pursue this resolution, and how difficult was the decision for you to go ahead and broach this subject with your colleagues?

Gioia: I have been putting it out there for a couple years now in the fire department. Being commissioner, I do go to meetings with other fire districts, and being an ex-chief, I do go to meetings for chiefs, The Chiefs Association in Nassau County. I brought it up at a fire district meeting. I actually read the petition. I saw the petition. I agreed with the need to have another investigation, because a lot of evidence has surfaced in the past 18 years that needs to look at. A lot of it has been uncovered by Architects and Engineers. It's been uncovered by a lot of people, who have taken the time to analyze, and to render a professional opinion on what the evidence shows. That, to me, was very important.

I started telling people about the petition. I said that the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York actually has this petition to get a grand jury investigation going. I said, “That's where we need to go.” I said, “My feelings on the matter don't mean anything.” I said, “We're not engaging in conspiracy theories at all. Let's look at the evidence, and let the evidence guide us on the direction that we need to go.” That is so important. I think that the American people, I think that any rational person, would agree with that, that you discount everything else. You can't go on hearsay. Let's take a hard look at what's there, and let that just guide us. We owe it to the people who were murdered on 9/11 and the countless thousands, or tens of thousands of people who were killed in these wars overseas, in the name of fighting terrorism or whatever you want to call it, and get to the heart of the matter, and get to the truth.

If the evidence takes us in that direction, and we do find out that there are other people responsible, and they're in the government, or if they're in the Pentagon, or they're in the business sector, then these people need to be held to account. They need to be brought to justice. We need to get this country back on track.

Steele: Absolutely. I couldn't agree with you more. So much was affected by September 11th. We're still living the ramifications of it to this day. That's why so many people are dedicated, and I can tell, probably one of the reasons why you're so dedicated, too. I'm curious about the interactions in discussing this resolution. What was some of the feedback and discussion that took place before you guys actually met and passed this thing?

Gioia: I approached the other commissioners, and I said, “Listen, I want to sponsor a resolution in support of the petition at the U.S. Attorney's Office.” The other commissioners were receptive. They've been in the fire service for many years. We've been intimately involved with everything with 9/11, and they know where I'm coming from. They know that I don't get myself involved in anything unless I believe in it 100%. They looked. They listened to what I had to say. I said, “I'd like to do, introduce, a resolution.” I said, “I looked it up, and a resolution, a legal resolution is... It's not really binding. It's pretty much mostly symbolic, but it is a statement from a legislative group, and where elected official is a statement that we recognize certain things, and that we support the investigation. Coming from a fire department, that would lend some weight to the movement to get the U.S. Attorney's Office to present the petition,” which I understand they're not talking, and they've had it for about year.

That was the impetus on getting the resolution going. That was just to add some weight, and to add some considerable support to the movement that's out there. I think we accomplished that.

The Franklin Square and Munson Fire District commissioners: Philip F. Malloy, Jr. (left); Dennis G. Lyons (second from left); Joseph M. Torregrossa (center); Christopher L. Gioia (second from right); Les Saltzman (right).

Steele: You absolutely did. Now, I understand from the article, that AE911Truth has posted and sent out to all of our supporters that you had family members of the fallen at this meeting. Can you talk about that?

Gioia: I invited Tommy Hetzel's parents, his widow, his sister; and I invited my friend, Bobby Evans... His mom and his sister were there. We had them sit there up front. The family of Michael Kiefer, they really took the hit, because Mike was their shining star, and I don't think they ever fully recovered from losing Michael. He had a couple of sisters and whatnot. I think he was the only son. His was a real big loss over there. I know that the Evans family definitely took the hit. I know his mom. His mom was devastated.

I just couldn't say enough about the Hetzel family, because they've been through so much. There's been other tragedy in the family. His mom and his dad and his brother and his sister, his remaining siblings, have been so strong throughout everything, and I just can't imagine the strength that it takes for them to continue, but they do. Yes, they were there for the vote on the resolution.

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The Franklin Square and Munson Fire District commissioners greet the families of fallen firefighters Thomas J. Hetzel and Robert Evans, both Franklin Square natives.

Steele: Obviously, you're aware of how significant this was. Again, it's the first legislative body in the country to put forth such a resolution. Were other commissioners in this body aware of the historic significance of this resolution?

Gioia: I don't think they realized the full impact of what we were doing until after it was done. They knew it was significant, though, because I told them. Everything is transparent with the fire district. One commissioner doesn't do anything without letting the other commissioners... We don't operate independently, and we do have a district council, which oversees everything that we do, and they guide us, and they give legal advice on everything.

The resolution was drafted. The commissioners, we all, had a chance to look at it. It was run by counsel to make sure that the T's were crossed, and the I's were dotted, and that it was presented in a legal fashion. Whether or not they knew the full impact of what the resolution was going to do, I don't think any of us did. I think we had a narrow focus, and that was just to support the resolution, and then to have this thing literally... It got big real fast, and I think that that took everybody, including myself, by surprise, but no. They knew it was going to have an impact, but I don't think we all realized the tremendous impact that it was going to have.

Steele: Us veterans in the movement are fully aware that, many times, those who don't want discussion of the evidence, who don't want to talk about this issue, that want to stifle any questions about September 11th, will oftentimes try to invoke the firefighters and the emotional impact of that day on them, to try to shut down the discussion. What is your reaction to those kinds of methods to try to stifle discussion of the evidence?

Gioia: I think it's a diversionary tactic. I think that the psychological implications of 9/11 were definitely discussed and implemented, that 9/11 was a very sophisticated attack and plot, that it was very well planned, and   they covered all the bases. To me, it's like psychological warfare, so if you constantly shift the focus from the facts to the dramatic effect, then you've been successful, because now you've taken the focus off where you need it to be.

I'd just tell people, listen, I've always said that 9/11 needs to be viewed from a clinical standpoint, where you just disassociate yourself from all emotion, and you just look at the facts, and that's it. You don't get involved in the drama. You don't get involved in the emotion, the feelings, any of that. That's a non sequitur. That just has no bearing on what we're trying to do.

I tell people bluntly, listen. You know what? This is a crime. This was a mass murder. That's what this was, okay? That's all it was. It was a mass murder; 3,000 people were murdered in cold blood, on TV, or in front of your eyes, okay? Buildings collapsed, and planes crashed into this, and all kinds of things happened. We need to look at it, and we have to put literally everything under the microscope. Everything has to be looked at and analyzed. It has to be analyzed from a scientific point of view, and there's no emotion to it. It's this, and it's that.

If it's this, then we need to go there. If it's that, we need to go there. If you look at the evidence, and you look at the testimony, any reasonable person would say there's plenty of reasonable doubt there, and you know what? You can't violate the laws of physics, and you can't say that steel frame buildings just collapse for no reason at free fall. You just can't make these statements the way the government's throwing out these statements. They didn't even want to entertain some of the evidence. What they didn't want to look at, they didn't look at.

To give you an example, in the case of Building 7, they asked the gentleman, who was giving the report... Actually, he came out and said, he goes, “Oh, there was no evidence of explosives found.” Then they asked him, “Well, did you look for explosives?” He said, “No, we didn't look for explosives.” How disingenuous is that, that we didn't find explosives because we didn't look for explosives? There's a lot of doublespeak going on.

Steele: Now, you've passed this resolution. You're getting a lot of attention on the Internet from alternative media, and I think the corporate media is probably aware of this, whether or not they choose to report it. We all know the situation with them, but do you think that other firemen, who may hear about this, particularly in New York City, in the surrounding areas, do you think they're ready to hear out this issue with an open mind, or do you think the emotion of that day still carries 18 years later?

Gioia: I think, Andrew, it cuts both ways. I think you have firemen out there, who actually are embracing this, because they know that something's not right. I know that for a fact, because from the meetings that I've attended with the chiefs, the ex-chiefs, fire district commissioners from the other towns around Nassau County, that there are people out there, who do not accept the official narrative. They know that something is wrong, and they're absolutely willing to look at the evidence, and they do want to see some movement. They want to see another investigation, because they know that things just don't add up.

You have some people, who, they're pretty much in denial, and they don't want to go down that road anymore, because they've been affected so much that... We've been destroyed up here in New York. We have. We took the hit. People, they just... You mention 9/11, and they go right into the shell. They go right into a defensive posture.

Now that time has elapsed a little bit, you have a younger crowd that wasn't really as much on top of it, and they are willing to embrace the evidence, and they're willing to embrace people who are talking about it, because if you stick to the facts, and that's all we need to do is just stick to the facts and say, listen, these are the facts, and this is the evidence, and we need to look at this, then nobody's going to argue with that. All right, we need another investigation. Let's talk about things. Let's talk about this. We're all adults. We all have a stake in this.

There's no rational person out there that's going to tell me, as a firemen, “You know what? Oh, we can't talk about that,” because I'd be the first one to tell them, “You know what? No. You know what? I'm going to talk about it. My friends were murdered. They were murdered right in front of me. You know what? I want to get to the bottom of it, so what are you telling me? You going to tell me, no, you don't want an investigation? What's up with that?”

It's beyond belief that there are people out there that would not embrace a new investigation, so we could get to the truth, and we could look at evidence that hasn't been looked at and is mandated by Congress that they have to show this evidence, and it's mandated by law that the U.S. Attorney has to present this to a grand jury. That's the rule of law, and that's what this country is all about. That's what makes this country what it is. That's what sets this country apart from other countries in the world, is that we have respect for law and order. There is the rule of law, and that has been violated. It's been grossly violated, and we need to get back to that, because if we do not get back to the rule of law, then this country, the ideals, everything that this country has been built on is going to take the hit.

You know what? I don't think you're going to let it happen. I know damn sure I'm not going to let it happen.

Steele: Those are powerful words, and I know that there are other firemen out there, all over America, who have gotten wind of what happened in the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, and are maybe even listening to this interview, wanting to meet the man who proposed that resolution. They may be inspired, but they may be holding back for various reasons. They may want to do the same thing in their fire districts, maybe other fire commissioners with that authority. What would you say to them, as they're considering this? What would you say to them, in terms of why it's so important, and why they should pursue the same action that your district did?

Gioia: Andrew, I would say this to the other firefighters, to the police officers, to anybody, any other person out there, any American, that you know what? We're all Americans here, and we believe in ideals which make our country great. There comes a point in everyone's life when you have to make a stand, and that's a really tough thing to do for people. You make a decision that, you know what? You're going to stand up for something.

Now, a lot of people talk tough, and a lot of people, they just... That's it. They're just talk, and they don't really act, and back it up with actions, but it's incumbent on especially firemen. We've taken the extra step. We've gone the extra mile. We're out there protecting lives and saving property, and we're on the forefront of all of this.

I would say to anybody who believes in this country that it's time to make a stand, because 3,000 people were murdered, and you can't let this go. You're not going to let it go, because if they're going to murder 3,000 people, what are they going to do next? I'm not going to have my kids jeopardized. I don't really like how the country has been guided down this dark path. We need to get back on track, and it's up to the people in this country, the good people.

Americans, to me, aren't afraid to stand up for what they believe in. We've been so beaten down that, you know what? You're afraid to speak, because, God forbid, they're going to say, “Oh, you're a hater,” or, “You're a racist,” or, “You're a truther,” or something like that. You know what? I'm not afraid to get out there and speak my mind. You know, you speak intelligently, and you speak armed with the facts, but you know what? You have to speak. People really need to make a stand on this one, because if we don't, if we don't, then something else even worse is going to happen, because it only emboldens things like this to happen.

I think there's a quote. It says, “For evil to triumph, good people need not do anything.” That is so true, so it depends on the person. I would just encourage people out there, listen, if you feel strongly about this, then do something about it. Don't sit there. Get up and do something about it, because there's a lot of people out there that will help you, that'll embrace this. Like you said, there's a movement out there of people who just, for whatever reason, they just don't believe what we've been told.

The more you look at it, you could see the truth. I tell people, listen. I'm not going to tell you how to think, okay? I'm not going to tell you one way or the other about what happened on 9/11. You do that yourself. You look at it. You research it. You come to your own conclusions, all right? Then, maybe a few months or a year down the road, we could meet up again, and we could talk about it, and see if your position has changed. We need to get behind the investigation. People need to get behind this, and get the investigation going, and let the wheels of justice do their job.

Steele: Something I always commonly mention, or I have been doing for the past year or so is we're here 18 years after this event took place. If the post-9/11 world were a person, it would be old enough to vote at this point, or I guess it would be this September, so it's been a long time. Some people say, why do you keep at this? It was so long ago. Maybe it was a controlled demolition. Maybe it wasn't, but all those people, or most of them, are out of office now. Why can't we just move forward? Why do we have to focus on the negative? I mean, this is an attitude that exists out there among the rank and file of America. I hear it often. What's your response to that? What do you have to say to those sentiments?

Gioia: I hear the same thing, Andrew. I hear it. It's 18 years later. Why are you bothering? I say to these people, because these people were our friends. They were our neighbors. They were sons. They were daughters. They were husbands. They were wives. They had lives. These were Americans, who went to work. They just were going about their business, and they died horrible deaths.

These were my friends, and I'm not going to forget that. I'm not satisfied with the way they've been treated. Like I said, reinvestigate. I get choked up. I get emotional. I would get emotional with people and just say, listen, unless you've lost somebody, and I always say, listen, if somebody murdered somebody in your family, and there was evidence that came about after, that pointed at somebody else, or it took you in a different direction, wouldn't you want to pursue that? There's no statute of limitation on murder, and these people were murdered.

That's why, after 18 years, I'm still looking for justice for my friends, because I know that there are people out there who need to be held to account. I'm not going to let go. I'm not going to let go. If I spend the rest of my life pursuing this, pursuing justice for my friends, I'm going to do that.

Now, with regards to that, being a fireman, and being a firefighter... This is for all of the firemen out there. You know it's a brotherhood, and we've been trained that when you fight the fire, you go in. You don't go in alone. You go in with your brother or your sister. You go in together, and if something happens, you come out together. You don't leave that person behind, so I would say this.

We're not leaving our brothers behind. We're not leaving these people behind. These were Americans. These were firefighters, cops, EMS, and they were just ordinary people who went about their business that day. We're not leaving them behind. We're not forgetting about them. They deserve justice, and we're going to see that justice is done.

Steele: Yes, we are, through efforts like yours, through efforts like the ones being put forth by AE911Truth, the Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry. Nobody will be left behind, especially the victims, who we do this work in pursuit of justice for.

Christopher Gioia, I want to thank you for what you got started out there in your district and what I think you're getting started in the rest of America and the wider world. Of course, thank you so much for coming on 9/11 Free Fall today.

Gioia: All right, thank you very much, Mr. Steele.

https://www.ae911truth.org/news/541-seeking-justice-for-9-11-heroes-an-interview-with-new-york-area-fire-commissioner-christopher-gioia
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