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Re: Batteries
« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2017, 11:00:34 pm »
Big batteries can store power when the sun doesn't shine

Lloyd Alter (@lloydalter) Energy / Renewable Energy June 5, 2017
pumped storage
© Andrew Roberts/ New York Times

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What is the difference between a battery and a power source? It is sometimes hard to distinguish. If you build a dam and capture the energy of falling water, it is considered power generation from a power source, namely gravity. But if you pump water up a hill and store it behind a dam until you need it, that's acting as a battery; it is not making energy, it is just storing it. It is a really important distinction; it is one of the reasons we are not fans of hydrogen, considering it more a battery than a fuel.

Diane Cardwell of The New York Times writes about The Biggest, Strangest "Batteries" and explains how really, anything that can store energy and release it later is a battery. 

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https://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/big-batteries-can-store-power-when-sun-doesnt-shine.html
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Re: Batteries
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2017, 02:29:22 pm »
Tesla Wins Contract for South Australia Energy Storage Project 

July 7, 2017

By Perry Williams, Bloomberg

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Elon Musk’s Tesla Inc. has won a tender to supply what the billionaire says is the world’s largest lithium-ion battery to back up the state of South Australia’s blackout-plagued power grid, making good on a promise first made over Twitter four months ago to help solve the state’s energy woes.

Tesla will provide 100 MW of storage by Dec. 1, pairing it with a wind farm at Hornsdale north of Adelaide operated by France’s Neoen, according to a statement on Friday from South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill. The system, which will have capacity of 129 MWh, will provide enough power for more than 30,000 homes, Tesla said in a separate statement.

We’re talking about something that’s three times as powerful as the next biggest battery installation in the world,” Musk told reporters in Adelaide.

Musk had previously promised to build the system and get it working within 100 days of a contract being signed or Tesla would provide it free, a vow he backed up on Friday.

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“We actually insisted when doing the contract that we be held to the 100 days or it’s free,” Musk said. “That’s what we said publicly, that’s what we’re going to do.”

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Re: Batteries
« Reply #62 on: August 07, 2017, 12:40:13 pm »

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In the year of 1936 during the middle of summer, an ancient tomb was discovered during construction of a new railway line near Bagdad city in Iraq. The relics found in that tomb were about 2000 years old. Among these relics, there were some clay jars or vessels which were sealed at the top with pitch. An iron rod, surrounded by a cylindrical tube made of wrapped copper sheet was projected out from this sealed top.

When these pots were filled with an acidic liquid, they produced a potential difference of around 2 volts between the iron and copper. These clay jars are suspected to be 2000 year old battery cells.

https://www.electrical4u.com/battery-history-and-working-principle-of-batteries/
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Re: Batteries
« Reply #63 on: August 07, 2017, 02:22:53 pm »

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In the year of 1936 during the middle of summer, an ancient tomb was discovered during construction of a new railway line near Bagdad city in Iraq. The relics found in that tomb were about 2000 years old. Among these relics, there were some clay jars or vessels which were sealed at the top with pitch. An iron rod, surrounded by a cylindrical tube made of wrapped copper sheet was projected out from this sealed top.

When these pots were filled with an acidic liquid, they produced a potential difference of around 2 volts between the iron and copper. These clay jars are suspected to be 2000 year old battery cells.

https://www.electrical4u.com/battery-history-and-working-principle-of-batteries/

This area of investigation has always fascinated me. We are ever-so-smug in our presentism, that the ancients were a bunch of ignorant rubes, but there are enough discoveries found in the wrong place to indicate that we are wrong.

And then of course is the question of where the knowledge came from
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Yep. Your observation has some very important nuggets of wisdom that most people do not even begin to undertand, never mind taking to heart in order to realize how delibertely dumbed down our society is.

The most important part of your obervation is the fact that people are indoctrinated to BE smug about our incredibly, STUPID, suicidally destructive society.

Smugness breeds the overcondence that always precedes dumb, and sometines trajic, errors in judgement.

We don't need to go back to ancient times to see that at work now. Tesla made it quite clear in the early 20th century that we DID NOT NEED to use fossil fuels for ANYTHING because energy was plentiful. But ignorant, brain washed people claim cheap, clean energy, especially those who have eaten the happy talk for the fossil fuel liars and crooks, as advocated by Nikola Tesla (and Thomas Edison too, by the way) is a "pipe dream".  ::)

Smug, brain washed people that actually believe the BALONEY that we "owe" our standard of living to our "loyal servants, the fossil fuel industry", when there is NO QUESTION that the microscope (and the discovery of germs that cause disease) is the REAL REASON for the human population explosion, will continue to wallow in their stupidity until it is too late. Personal hygiene is the CAUSE of the human population explosion, not the fossil fuel based "economy".

The ancients certainly were not ignorant rubes. Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison weren't rubes either.




Before Edison said the following, he had gone on record over a decade earlier clearly stating that hydrocarbon fuels for internal combustion engines were INFERIOR to ethanol BECAUSE of all the waste heat and resultant added engine wear. Ethanol only engines would be TWO THIRDS lighter than hydrocarbon powered engines because ethanol runs cool (because it carries it's own oxygen with it causing TOTALLY EVEN BURNING), as well as being renewable and polluting less. And it is also propaganda mendacity out there that claims we would "cut into world food supply by growing ethanol crops".   

But telling bold face crocodile tear laden lies has never stopped the brain washers that so many here smugly worship.   
 
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Re: Batteries
« Reply #64 on: August 07, 2017, 05:22:10 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: The payback on this new super-capacitor is about nine years. Some will claim that is too much. Those who do are ignorant fools who do not GET the fact that COST of using fossil fuels is the Sixth Mass Extinction. You CANNOT EVER GET ANY "PAY BACK" FROM fossil fuel and nuclear POLLUTING ENERGY SOURCES!

It is amazing how STUPID people can be when they irrationally cling to the unsustainable fossil fuel powered status quo. The product below is NOT "pie in the energy sky". They are manufacturing it NOW. It WORKS in tiny devices and in scale all the way to an electric bus and even utility level storage solutions.

Consequently, this super-cap will be fought TOOTH AND NAIL by the fossil fuelers because it DESTROYS all their Renewable Energy electric powered device hand wringing about "slow charging times". Yes, you will probably need to "fill your tank" with charge more often than filling your gasoline tank. But this small inconvenience is justified considering you DO NOT EVER POLLUTE and can recharge in 30 SECONDS. IOW, you can stop for a cup of coffee or a bathroom break and keep going as FAR AS YOU WANT TO GO.

NO MORE "range anxiety" on EVs means the DEATH of hydrocarbon fueled polluting engines for transportation. GOOD!

This super-cap technology IS NOT "ten years away", as some IDIOT(s) may try to claim here. But, it may be delayed by fossil fuel loving CROOKS AND LIARS that corrupt and pollute the US Government and our country. So, Europe and china will probably be using this technology for EVs much sooner than the backward banana republic called the USA.

The Fuel Tank of Tomorrow - A Super Capacitor? 


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Published on Dec 9, 2016

KiloWatt Labs CEO Omer Ghani explains in the above interview, filmed at the IDTechEX Show!, that his company has overcome these challenges and has begun shipping large-scale, super capacitor-based energy storage solutions for applications such as microgrid, renewable, utility and mobility. He indicates their solution is a cost-competitive replacement for traditional battery approaches,

Read more at: http://www.viodi.tv/2016/12/09/the-fu...
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Re: Batteries
« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2017, 08:05:34 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: If this genius inventor, Lonnie Johnon , had been given the funding he needs, we would no longer have ANY fossil fuel use in our WORLD, not just our country. And that is probably why (this talk is THREE YEARS OLD!) he has had so much difficulty obtaining the multi-million dollar funding he needs to mass produce and market his engine (already recognized as the most efficient engine ever invented!) and battery technology inventions.

Revolutionary designs for energy alternatives: Lonnie Johnson at TEDxAtlanta


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Published on Jun 3, 2014

Through a combination of scientific establishment and independent inventor credentials, Lonnie Johnson is creating green technologies that will revolutionize our approach to energy solutions.

About TEDx, x = independently organized event

In the spirit of ideas worth spreading, TEDx is a program of local, self-organized events that bring people together to share a TED-like experience. At a TEDx event, TEDTalks video and live speakers combine to spark deep discussion and connection in a small group. These local, self-organized events are branded TEDx, where x = independently organized TED event. The TED Conference provides general guidance for the TEDx program, but individual TEDx events are self-organized.* (*Subject to certain rules and regulations)


The Fossil Fuelers DID THE Clean Energy  Inventions suppressing, Climate Trashing, human health depleting CRIME,   but since they have ALWAYS BEEN liars and conscience free crooks, they are trying to AVOID   DOING THE TIME or     PAYING THE FINE!     Don't let them get away with it! Pass it on!   
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Re: Batteries
« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2017, 01:29:37 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: The payback on this new super-capacitor is about nine years. Some will claim that is too much. Those who do are ignorant fools who do not GET the fact that COST of using fossil fuels is the Sixth Mass Extinction. You CANNOT EVER GET ANY "PAY BACK" FROM fossil fuel and nuclear POLLUTING ENERGY SOURCES!

It is amazing how STUPID people can be when they irrationally cling to the unsustainable fossil fuel powered status quo. The product below is NOT "pie in the energy sky". They are manufacturing it NOW. It WORKS in tiny devices and in scale all the way to an electric bus and even utility level storage solutions.

Consequently, this super-cap will be fought TOOTH AND NAIL by the fossil fuelers because it DESTROYS all their Renewable Energy electric powered device hand wringing about "slow charging times". Yes, you will probably need to "fill your tank" with charge more often than filling your gasoline tank. But this small inconvenience is justified considering you DO NOT EVER POLLUTE and can recharge in 30 SECONDS. IOW, you can stop for a cup of coffee or a bathroom break and keep going as FAR AS YOU WANT TO GO.

NO MORE "range anxiety" on EVs means the DEATH of hydrocarbon fueled polluting engines for transportation. GOOD!

This super-cap technology IS NOT "ten years away", as some IDIOT(s) may try to claim here. But, it may be delayed by fossil fuel loving CROOKS AND LIARS that corrupt and pollute the US Government and our country. So, Europe and China will probably be using this technology for EVs much sooner than the backward banana republic called the USA.

The Fuel Tank of Tomorrow - A Super Capacitor? 


Viodi

Published on Dec 9, 2016

KiloWatt Labs CEO Omer Ghani explains in the above interview, filmed at the IDTechEX Show!, that his company has overcome these challenges and has begun shipping large-scale, super capacitor-based energy storage solutions for applications such as microgrid, renewable, utility and mobility. He indicates their solution is a cost-competitive replacement for traditional battery approaches,

Read more at: http://www.viodi.tv/2016/12/09/the-fu...
The super capacitors have real potential. It will be interesting to watch them roll out and see where they go.  The arrays on off grid systems are getting larger all the time faster then the battery banks   the super caps might be a good bridge between the fast changing solar availability and the batteries slow take up of charge.
Interesting times.


True. Notice what KiloWatt Labs CEO Omer Ghani said in the video after explaining, step by step, that they had ALREADY overcome the super-cap rapid discharge problems along with obtaining lithium ion batttery energy density compatibility without the high lithium ion price:
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"We have to get people to believe us."  :o

Omer Ghani has the product, has the evidence that the product works and is cheaper than lithium ion battery technology at the same or greater energy density, YET, they have trouble getting people to believe them! THAT is prima facie evidence of how incredibly brain washed our society has become (at the level of ENGINEERS!), to the point where they take as "thermodynamics gospel" the biosphere math challenged ERoEI double talk (happy talk for fosssil fuels and "it's just too costly" for clean energy sources), published for the last half century BY THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY (Yep, THEY put those numbers, including thermodynamics and fluid mechanics assumptions, in the engineering textbooks! Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute has proven by experimentation that a lot of those numbers are WRONG!), as the "standard" for credibility and doability. 

No wonder it is so hard to get out of the death grip of the fossil fuel industry destructive influence on our biosphere and democracy. The idiots smokin' the fossil fuel baloney accuse everybody advocating new inventions that enhance clean energy use of "pipe dreams" or "smokin' somethin'". Ridicule is the FIRST tool used to to try to defend the unsustainable status quo. The ERoEI polluting energy sources happy talk comes next. The fossil Fuel Industry century of propaganda BULLSHIT has worked. Let us hope more people wake up to the stupidity of believing absolutely anything coming from the polluters. We are all dead if we do not destroy the fossil fuel industry VERY, VERY soon.
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Re: Batteries
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2017, 02:53:58 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: Israel has finally demonstrated a tremendous capacity for the obvious.  ;) ;D  I mean, DUH, it's hotter than a pistol over there with SUN, SUN and MORE SUN baking the stuffing out of the plant life, the animals, the bugs and the people for at least the last 2,000 YEARS and more. Pumped storage is the ultimate low maintenace cost, base load level, INSTANT on demand, Renewable Energy Storage medium. And putting a water surface where there is a lot of desert increases the relative humidity in the surrounding area, thereby aiding in plant life proliferation and desert greening. Yeah, I know, who coulda knowd? 

It has never ceased to amaze me how so many gooberments all over the world can "justify" taxing we-the-people to build pipelines hundreds of miles long to move hydrocarbon CRAP from here to there, over ALL KINDS of terrain, but somehow never seem to be been able to DO THAT with ocean OR fresh water UPHILL (except for the extremely short pipes right next to dams that have some minuscule pumped storage equipment).  The fossil fuel industry will indignantly claim they pay to build the pipelines, not the gooberment. That is a very clever LIE. In 1987 our fossil fuel gooberment gave the lie to that half truth, but most people, OF COURSE, are not aware of that, thanks to all that "SILENCE" from the mainstream media.

Better late than never, I suppose.

GE To Build 344 Megawatt Kokhav Hayarden Hydro Pumped Storage Station In Israel

August 10th, 2017 by Joshua S Hill

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GE Renewable Energy has landed the contract to supply and build the 344-megawatt Kokhav Hayarden hydro pumped storage station in Israel, which is expected to help stabilize the country’s electricity grid.

On Tuesday, GE Renewable Energy revealed that it had booked a turnkey contract with Israeli utility Star Pumped Storage, in which GE will design, manufacture, supply, and install all the necessary electro-mechanical and hydro-mechanical equipment for the 344 MW (megawatt) Kokhav Hayarden hydro pumped storage station. GE will also complete a balance of plant for the two 172 MW pumped-storage units, as well as provide 20 years of operation and maintenance for the project.

The Kokhav Hayarden project will see development take 52 months, and involve the construction of two reservoirs, and is expected to be commissioned in 2021.

FULL ARTICLE:

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/10/ge-build-israeli-344-mw-kokhav-hayarden-hydro-pumped-storage-station/

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