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Re: Wind Power
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2013, 10:50:52 pm »
Fossil fuelers are handicapped by hydrocarbon tunnel vision. But most people no longer see things their way. Moreover, since more and more people are making a LIVING off of RENEWABLE ENERGY and less and less people are making a living from fossil fuels, the dirty energy will get pushed out.

Fossil Fuels should have been pushed out in the 1980s. This time they will be.  8)

Here's some more reaiity based community information fossil fuelers refuse to acknowledge. 

Major Shipyard Now building MORE Renewable Energy machines than ships!

Imagine how quickly we could transition if the over 400 OIL TANKERS the Oil Industry builds EACH YEAR, were NOT BUILT and WIND TURBINES were built instead! That's a LOT of wind turbines and tidal or ocean current turbines!
Oil Tanker costs:


LR2 (Large Range 2),  Suezmax class,120,000–200,000 DWT,  $60.7M

VLCC (Very Large Crude Carrier), VLCC class,  200,000–320,000 DWT, $120M

ULCC (Ultra Large Crude Carrier), Ultra Large Crude Carrier class,  320,000–550,000 DWT, $120M PLUS

Now suppose you wanted to build 100 of those pigs at an average price of $100M or so (they're cheaper by the dozen!).

$100,000,000 X 100 =  $10B

How many wind turbines can we buy with that $10B INSTEAD OF TANKER PIGS?

Here's a nice wind turbine outfit that is ALREADY kicking fossil fuel ass! Maybe we can do business with them.

As of 2011, Vestas wind turbines generate enough electricity to provide for 21 million people. In January 2011, Vestas won the $1.5m (£940,000) Zayed Future Energy Prize in Abu Dhabi.    ;D


Nice video! Too bad they didn't have to turbines spearing oil tankers as they surfaced!   ;D 

Using the information at the link below, you can get a bunch of the top of the line Vestas 8MW (formerly the 7M just two years ago but has been tweaked up) for around $8M if we order more than 300 MW worth of turbines (Yes, those are cheaper by the dozen TOO!  ).

That means we can buy about ONE THOUSAND turbines for the price of 100 oil pig tankers. 
Those 1,000 turbines will generate 8 GW of power near  continuously because they will be placed offshore, to MKing's chagrin.  ;D  But don't worry, they have maintenance and some slack wind periods from time to time so you fossil fuelers can claim they are "discontinuous, unreliable and no good for baseload". 


But let's not stop there. The fossil fuel industry has enough capital to build 400 tankers in a single year so they technically have enough capital to build 4000 wind turbines producing 32 GW EACH YEAR. :o Consider, for a moment, what adding 32GW of renewable energy would DO to the energy picture of this planet.   

Now consider that world governments have even more capital. Consider that adding ten times that much (320 GW each year) from various renewable energy technologies is feasible simply because there are several large wind turbine and ocean current and tide turbine manufacturers just as capable as Vestas of pumping out 4,000 8MW turbines a year (GE can make even more than Vestas).

And then there is solar PV and power towers and geothermal along with all sorts of energy storage technologies that, unlike oil tankers, don't spill their guts into the oceans on a regular basis and will provide 24/7 smooth power access to customers, regardless of what the nasty, negative, naysayers among us that will mendaciously claim otherwise as long as their portfolio has dirty energy stocks in them. 

Within a couple of decades we could stop burning fossil fuels completely as long as we stuck to the current 18TW annual human civilization energy demand.

No more strip mining for coal or drilling for oil or fracking for oil and gas messing up our biosphere.

Consider what having 34% LESS ocean traffic and NO oil tankers or oil rigs would do for the health of the oceans.

Dear readers, always remember to remind the fossil fuelers a little item they ALWAYS seem to forget. And that is, that they DO NOT have an ESTABLISHED industry and a "going concern proven business model" as they claim because

A) They are massively subsidized

B) They are CONSTANTLY replacing equipment that lasts, at most, a couple of decades.
At any moment they can decide to buy the renewable energy machines instead of fossil fuel transport and drilling equipment on the same schedule of replacement that they use to replace oil rigs, tankers, etc. BUT THEY REFUSE TO DO SO.

Can you say, Mens Rea? >:(

At any rate, the shipyards are catching on that building Renewable Energy Machines provides more and better jobs than building polluting tanker pigs. GOOD!
Harland & Wolff Heavy Industries is a Northern Irish heavy industrial company, specialising in shipbuilding and offshore construction, located in Belfast, Northern Ireland.

The shipyard has built many ships; among the more famous are the White Star trio RMS Olympic, RMS Titanic and Britannic, the Royal Navy's HMS Belfast, Royal Mail Line's Andes, Shaw Savill's Southern Cross and P&O's SS Canberra. The company's official history, Shipbuilders to the World, was published in 1986.

As of 2011, the expanding offshore wind power industry has taken centre stage and 75% of the company's work is based on offshore renewable energy.


... the United Kingdom planned to build 7,500 new offshore wind turbines between 2008 and 2020, creating great demand for heavy assembly work.

Unlike land-based wind turbines, where assembly occurs on site, offshore wind turbines have part of their assembly done in a shipyard,
and then construction barges transport the tower sections, rotors, and nacelles to the site for final **** and assembly. As a result of this, in late 2007, the 'Goliath' gantry crane was re-commissioned, having been moth-balled in 2003 due to the lack of heavy-lifting work at the yard.

In June 2008, assembly work at the Belfast yard was underway on 60 Vestas V90-3MW wind turbines for the Robin Rigg Wind Farm.[6] This was the second offshore wind farm assembled by the company for Vestas having completed the logistics for the Barrow

Offshore Wind Farm in 2006. In August 2011 Harland and Wolff completed the logistics for the Ormonde Wind Farm which consisted of 30 REpower 5MW turbines.

In March 2008, the construction of the world's first commercial tidal stream turbine, for Marine Current Turbines, was completed at the Belfast yard. The installation of the 1.2MW SeaGen Tidal System was begun in Strangford Lough in April 2008.[7]

In July 2010, Harland & Wolff secured a contract to make a prototype tidal energy turbine for Scotrenewables Ltd.[8] Manufacture of the SR250 device was completed in May 2011 and has been undergoing testing in Orkney since.

As of April 2012, the booming offshore wind power industry has taken centre stage. Harland & Wolff are currently working on three innovative meteorological mast foundations for the Dogger Bank and Firth of Forth offshore wind farms, as well as putting the finishing touches to two Siemens substations for the Gwynt y Môr offshore wind farm. Seventy-five per cent of the company's work is based on offshore renewable energy.

Harland & Wolff is one of many UK and international companies profiting from the emergence of UK wind- and marine-generated electricity, which is attracting significant inward investment.


Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:
For the Lord will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them. Pr. 22:22-23


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