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Re: The Big Picture of Renewable Energy Growth
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2013, 09:17:50 pm »
MKing said (after the silly attempt at ridicule, disparagement and IQ lowballing of Agelbert.  :icon_mrgreen:)
Religious dogma? 

Renewable zealotry?   

Call it what you'd like, but the economists  who built the model for the IEA certainly have answers  for these kinds of questions.   

My dear fossil fueler, I never said these worthy economists did NOT have the answers; I SAID they were making faulty projections, as the list of serious scientists I gave you in the last post but are SILENT about, DID.

They were RADICALLY mistaken because they projected the status quo into the future linearly. Do you have difficulty seeing that error? YEP! In fact, in regard to your following list of questions, you are avoiding the central issue here. And that is a COMPARISON of the two technologies at odds with each other.

The other day you said my "perspective" was wrong because I reasoned as to whether some technology (e,g. building North Sea Oil Drilling platforms) should, or should not have been built based on COST. Today, you are back to asking about cost. That's a bit contradictory, old bean. 8)

I would prefer you were a bit more consistent in your demands for scientific, rational, empirical and THEREFORE credibie chart data. Your calculus seems to be a moving target based on "other" factors like who has the biggest gun (see your "rapacious is good :evil4:" comments).

Now you do agree, do you not, that you cannot have it both ways? Either your fossil fuel paradigm is held together with political power born of bribes, corruption, threats and violence because it cannot compete on an HONEST EROI energy playing field or it never needed any of that heavy handed **** because it is such a "blessing" (as in wonderful, cheap, superior concentration of energy, HIGH EROI, etc. ).

So what do you call the big oil bull**** and propaganda lie a minute machine (nuke pukes too)? INSURANCE?

Why do you find my conclusion that the FACT that they spend millions each year to bribe, bully and produce pie in the fossil fuel sky projections like the ones you worship (with all the appropriate economic terms and buzzwords for the APPROVED formulation designed to provide CREDIBILITY), is DE FACTO proof that fossil fuels are NOT COMPETITIVE with Renewable Energy so RELIGOUS and IRRATIONAL?

Look in the mirror for closed minded, rigid, status quo projecting erroneous assumptions, PAL! YOU are the zealot here, not me! Every time I have zeroed in on the gaming, you dance around the low EROI and claim that the rapacious predatory **** is just fine and dandy. 

Fossil Fueler DEMANDS some NUMBER CRUNCHING from Agelbert!

Hell, how about just a cost of supply curve for the renewables involved?

Income elasticities would be nice to see.

Assumptions on Chinese vehicle growth, and efficiency?

How about non-OECD GDP projections, and assumptions of elasticity there?

Capital availability for the development of your renewable scenario?

Do you have these in tables Agelbert, or perhaps a spreadsheet?

And the model, do you have some documentation written up and available for review parked somewhere?

When you explain to my satisfaction WHY you feel the heavy handed tactics of Big Oil are not MENS REA because they have an INFERIOR ENERGY PRODUCT as compared with Renewable Energy, I will be glad to shower you with detailed data, discuss cost, supply, elasticity, present value, sunk costs, various depreciation mechanisms and anHONEST application of GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) AND thermodynamics in formulating a reality based EROI.

But, until you DO THAT, the answers to those questions are for me to know and you to find out.    

Because I REALLY want to get OUT OF THE WAY the stupid, false and misleading idea that fossil fuels are a better deal than Renewable Energy, not 10 years from now or twenty, but ALWAYS!

At that point we may found common ground in agreeing that, given certain predatory capitalist/fascist police state tactics, they very well might strong arm Renewable Energy out of prime time by all sorts of low down corrupt tactics.

However, I feel THAT FUTURE up to 2035, as the chart you so respect attempts to justify as the most probable scenario, is an outlier, is irrational and reflects a low probability and environmentally catastrophic, future.

Sure, the elite may go for that because the world popuiation can be chopped in half or more that way.

But that has NOTHING to do with sound economics, elasticity, cost/supply, EROI or CFS. IT has EVERYTHING TO DO with rapacious, power mad insanity.

But it could happen. You had better hope it doesn't.

« Last Edit: January 06, 2014, 10:04:44 pm by AGelbert »
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