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Re: Electric Vehicles
« Reply #180 on: October 15, 2016, 03:00:49 pm »
10/14/2016 03:21 PM     
2016 Has Been A Great Year for Electric Cars      

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By the end of this year 2.1 million plug-in electric vehicles (EVs) will be on the world's roads, a turning point according to industry experts.

It better be because the latest research shows that our only chance to keep global temperatures from rising more than 1.5°C is for electric vehicles to completely replace combustion engines by 2035, says NewClimate Institute research. Half of all cars have to be zero emissions by 2050 to stay below 2°C , they say.


Writing On the Wall   

By the mid-2020s, EVs are expected to hit their stride, becoming cheaper than conventional cars in most countries without subsidies.  With an average price under $22,000, EVs will reach 35% of global new car sales by 2040, says Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

Tesla Gigafactory

China is currently the largest market for electric cars, followed by the EU and then the US (both with about 500,000 cars on the road). Norway is the world leader where 23% of cars sold are electric, followed by the Netherlands, where EVs have a 10% market share, according to the International Energy Agency. Both countries are working on policies for all new cars to be electric by 2025. 

This week, Germany's Bundesrat (federal council) passed a resolution calling for an end to sales of new fossil vehicles by 2030, when only new cars that run on electricity or hydrogen would be allowed. And they want the ban to extend to the entire EU. 
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In April, India's Road Minister said the country will be the first "100% electric vehicle nation" by 2030.   
 

So, the writing could be on the wall.   

For China, EV manufacturing is a way to reduce pollution and to become a world leader in auto manufacturing by leapfrogging over conventional vehicles where it holds little market share.   

Most important for the transition to EVs are rapidly falling prices for batteries - already 65% cheaper since 2010 and dropping 20% a year - and widespread access to charging stations. 

The Nissan Leaf is the most popular EV, followed by the Tesla Model S, then Chinese firms BYD and Qin, and then GM's Chevy Volt, according to EV Volumes.

 As for the major US auto manufacturers, they are investing in EVs, but they are selling so many gas guzzlers that they are trying to negotiate down the fuel economy standards they agreed to when President Obama bailed them out. 

"Given changes in the market landscape, it will be a daunting challenge to meet the very aggressive requirements of the 2022-2025 federal fuel economy and greenhouse gas rule," says the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. "Absent a vigorous commitment to focus on marketplace realities, excessive regulatory costs could impact both consumers and the employees who produce these vehicles."   

They make much bigger profits on gas guzzlers and that's where their focus is, not on selling EVs  >:(. Many dealers don't even have an EV on the lot and many salespeople don't discuss federal and state tax incentives that are available, according to Rev Up EVs, a study on the US EV shopping experience. 


Policy Changes in US


 In August, the EPA and Department of Transportation finalized the second phase of fuel economy standards for medium and heavy-duty trucks and buses.

 These worst of the worst gas guzzlers get about 6 miles/ gallon, but by model year 2018, they will get 10-20% more. This next phase requires another 30% leap during model years 2021-2027.

Trucks and buses consume 25% of all the fuel used in the US even though they account for 7% of the vehicles on the road, according to Union of Concerned Scientists. 

As for cars and light trucks, the fleet average must be 35.5 mpg by 2016 (which automakers are meeting) and 54.5 mpg by 2025. Automakers can't meet 2025 standards without selling lots of EVs.

In July, the White House announced up to $4.5 billion in loan guarantees to build out a national EV charging infrastructure. Plans include developing EV "charging corridors" across the country and research to develop extremely fast charging technology.  The Department of Energy also awards grants for development of advanced vehicles, such as electric trucks, buses and ferries, all of which are in varying stages of rollout.

There are now 16,000 charging stations across the US, all built since President Obama took office. California and nine other states require 15% of car sales to be zero emissions by 2025. In June, US EV sales reached 1% of all new car sales. 

Transportation is responsible for 27% of US greenhouse gas emissions.  >:(  

"By mid-century, the practice of someone primarily driving himself or herself around town in a gasoline car will be as unusual as traveling by horse and buggy is today," says John Gartner at Navigant Research. "Instead, the combination and intersection of autonomous, shared, connected, and electric vehicle technologies will contribute to the gradual reduction of the number of cars on the road beginning in the 2030s that is already prompting automakers to expand to a variety of new mobility as a service business models."

Ubiquitous Koch Bros    There to "Save" Fossil Fuels   

The Koch Bros are behind a new PR campaign for fossil fuels, "Fueling U.S. Forward," which launched in August with a goal to spend $10 million a year.

 They want to "rebrand" fossil fuels as the best choice for Americans and to convince them that electric vehicles are just big government forcing subsidies onto taxpayers ... as they've been doing on renewable energy. 

 They point to how cheap gas is, forgetting to mention that it wasn't long ago that it cost over $4 a gallon. If we want to help people with lower incomes, they say, we should jettison clean energy and focus on coal, gas and oil.

Lobbyist and former head of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, Charlie Drevna, is heading the effort.   

DeSmog has launched a counter-website to expose the individuals, organizations and tactics behind these senseless attacks on electric vehicles and renewable energy.   

The Koch brothers pulled their strings behind the scenes until Greenpeace exposed them in 2010 for secretly spending over $88 million to deliberately confuse people about the scientific reality of climate change. 


Read, Global EV Outlook 2016 by the International Energy Agency:
Website: www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/Global_EV_Outlook_2016.pdf

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/26678
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Re: Electric Vehicles
« Reply #181 on: October 29, 2016, 10:13:46 pm »
Global Energy News | Thu Oct 27, 2016 | 7:27am EDT

New Zealand to double electric fleet to reduce oil bill   
By Jessica Jaganathan and Seng Li Peng | SINGAPORE

New Zealand aims to double its electric vehicle fleet every year through to 2021 to reduce high-cost oil product imports, the country's Minister of Energy and Resources told Reuters.

The Asia-Pacific country spends NZ$9 billion to NZ$11 billion (US$6 billion to US$8 billion) on imports of petroleum, made up mostly of gasoline, against earnings of NZ$2 billion to NZ$2.5 billion from crude oil exports, said Simon Bridges, who is also the Minister of Transport.

"The prospect of going from imported fossil fuels, which cost the country a lot of money, to homegrown clean, green energy is incredibly tantalizing," Bridges said, speaking on the sidelines of Singapore International Energy Week, an annual industry conference.

"We have a target of doubling our electric vehicles every year to 2021 ... effectively from nothing to over 2000 today," said Bridges, adding that despite an increase in distances driven, no significant hike in petroleum demand was expected.

New Zealand also has a target of having 90 percent of its electricity produced from renewable energy such as wind and geothermal sources by 2025, up from 83 percent currently.
 
The country, with a population size of over 4 million, is also looking to market its untapped oil and gas reserves, Bridges said.

It is looking to offer a new block for petroleum exploration, which includes over 500,000 square kilometers of onshore and offshore acreage. The final block offer will be announced in March, next year, he said.
 
"We have got one mature basin in New Zealand called Taranaki and all of the exports out of the NZ$2.5 billion per annum has been great, but there are 17 other basins around New Zealand and we know they're prospective," he said.

Still, with the drop in oil prices - still less than 50 percent of mid-2014 values - drilling has come to a halt.

"We've got no drilling this summer       ... New Zealand isn't changing course when it comes to oil and gas exploration and production. We think it's good for our economy, but it's also the world's transition to low carbon economy," said Bridges.
 
Any natural gas found would also be a great boost to the Asia-Pacific region, he said.

New Zealand has one refinery which supplies 70 percent of the domestic market's petrol, 84 percent of the diesel, 83 percent of the jet fuel and 100 percent of the fuel oil, said New Zealand Refinery Company's website.


(Reporting by Jessica Jaganathan and Seng Li Peng; Editing by Tom Hogue)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-newzealand-oil-idUSKCN12R1HX
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Re: Electric Vehicles
« Reply #182 on: November 06, 2016, 10:50:46 pm »
GM starts producing 200-mile electric Chevrolet Bolt     

November 5, 2016 by Tom Krisher
 
A battery is lifted into place for installation in the Chevrolet Bolt EV at the General Motors Orion Assembly plant Friday, Nov. 4, 2016, in Orion Township, Mich. The Chevrolet Bolt can go more than 200 miles on battery power and will cost less than the average new vehicle in the U.S. But it's unclear whether the car can do much to shift America from gasoline to electricity in an era of $2 prices at the pump. (AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

It can go more than 200 miles on battery power and it costs less than the average new vehicle in the U.S. But in an era of $2 per gallon gasoline, the Chevrolet Bolt probably won't do a whole lot to shift America from gasoline to electricity.


General Motors has started making Bolt hatchbacks on a slow assembly line at a factory in Orion Township, Michigan, north of Detroit.

The cars, starting at $37,495 before a $7,500 federal tax credit, will go on sale in California and Oregon before the end of the year, and will spread to the rest of the country next year. The average sales price of a new vehicle in the U.S. is about $34,000, according to Kelley Blue Book.

Analysts say the Bolt's 238-mile range on a single charge, plus a net price of around $30,000, should make it an attractive alternative to cars with internal-combustion engines. While they expect the Bolt to incrementally add to the number of electric cars now on the road, they don't expect a seismic shift to electricity yet.

The Bolt's range more than covers the average daily round-trip commute of about 40 miles in the U.S., and that should give comfort to those who fear running out of power, said Stephanie Brinley, an auto industry analyst for IHS Markit. But there's always the late night at work and the early meeting the next morning without enough charging time, or the night you forget to plug the car in. Those are tough adjustments for Americans, she said.

"We're trained to believe that wherever we go, we get can get the fuel that we need. With electricity you need to plan that out a little bit more," Brinley said.

IHS predicts that GM will sell just under 30,000 Bolts in the first year, which won't add much to the roughly 235,000 electrics now on U.S. roads. Brinley says there will be small growth as more companies such as Tesla Motors roll out affordable electric vehicles with range over 200 miles. Last year about 100,000 EVs were sold in the U.S., and IHS predicts 300,000 annual sales by 2020 and 400,000 by 2025.

Yves Dontigny, plant launch manager at the General Motors Orion Assembly plant, points out a feature on the drive train before its installation into the Chevrolet Bolt EV, Friday, Nov. 4, 2016, in Orion Township, Mich. The Chevrolet Bolt can go more than 200 miles on battery power and will cost less than the average new vehicle in the U.S. But it's unclear whether the car can do much to shift America from gasoline to electricity in an era of $2 prices at the pump. (AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

Still, Chevrolet believes the Bolt is a game-changer.  "It becomes just a mainstream vehicle choice," said Darin Gesse, the Bolt's product manager.

GM, he said, set out to make the range about equal to a half-tank of fuel in a gas-powered car. With a half-tank of gas, most people don't worry that they have to refuel for a while and are comfortable driving, he said.   

In a quick drive Friday on roads near GM's technical center north of Detroit, the car accelerated quickly when compared to a gas car. GM says it goes from zero to 60 mph in about 6.5 seconds, which is faster than many muscle cars from the '70s and '80s. The handling was tight with very little body roll, yet the ride was smooth and quiet.

GM beat rival Tesla to market with a long-range affordable electric car by at least a year. Tesla plans to start delivering its 200-mile, $35,000 (before tax credits) Model 3 in the second half of next year, and it had 373,000 deposits as of May.

The carmaker hasn't revealed exactly when the first customer will get a Bolt. Chevrolet didn't take advance reservations but says there's been strong interest at its dealerships.

Not all of GM's 3,000 dealers nationwide will be certified to sell and service the Bolt, although the company isn't sure how many yet. Around 2,000 can service the Bolt's plug-in cousin, the Volt.

GM says that should be a big advantage over Tesla, which doesn't have service centers in every state.

http://phys.org/news/2016-11-gm-mile-electric-chevrolet.html#jCp
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Re: Electric Vehicles
« Reply #183 on: November 07, 2016, 12:53:09 pm »
GM starts producing 200-mile electric Chevrolet Bolt     

November 5, 2016 by Tom Krisher
 
A battery is lifted into place for installation in the Chevrolet Bolt EV at the General Motors Orion Assembly plant Friday, Nov. 4, 2016, in Orion Township, Mich. The Chevrolet Bolt can go more than 200 miles on battery power and will cost less than the average new vehicle in the U.S. But it's unclear whether the car can do much to shift America from gasoline to electricity in an era of $2 prices at the pump. (AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

http://phys.org/news/2016-11-gm-mile-electric-chevrolet.html#jCp


Been keeping my eye on his one. Looks like an improvement.


  If you buy one, please feel free to publish a full report on your experience with it on this channel. 

I am addicted to good news, even if I publish a lot of bad news due to my being a member in good standing of the reality based community.   8)
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Re: Electric Vehicles
« Reply #184 on: November 08, 2016, 02:40:55 pm »
BAE Systems delivers 7,000th hybrid-electric system for buses 

Posted on November 7, 2016

BAE Systems celebrated its 7,000th delivery of a series hybrid-electric system for buses by meeting orders for Canada’s Réseau de transport de la Capitale (RTC) in Quebec. The delivery marks a major milestone towards greater vehicle electrification of the transit bus market.

Global demand for hybrid-electric and fully-electric transit solutions is increasing as more legislation is passed setting clean air regulations and transit agencies continue to establish goals for greener fleets. RTC in Quebec has, for instance, a goal to operate a fully-electric fleet and is using hybrid technology as a bridge to all-electric buses. In order to help RTC reach its goal, the 7,000th system was delivered to manufacturer Nova Bus to meet RTC bus orders.

“The trend toward increased use of hybrid technology in cities and states around the world has been bolstered by political action,” said Bob Lamanna, director, global transit accounts, at BAE Systems. “Transit agencies are seeking more electric transit solutions, and our hybrid technology is a proven, viable option to help these organizations reduce their carbon footprint.”

RELATED: MBTA's new buses include BAE's propulsion system

To date, RTC has received more than 50 40-foot and 60-foot articulated buses powered by BAE Systems’ electric power and drive systems, and it is continuing to receive hybrid-electric powered buses to help reach its clean air goals. RTC and many heavily populated cities use the longer, 60-foot articulated bus, which joins an extra 20-foot section to a 40-foot bus, to accommodate more passengers during peak periods.


The company’s Series-E system is configured to power buses with hybrid-electric power, and the same system components can also be configured to drive on pure-electric power by adding more batteries and removing the diesel engine    . The Series-E system enables transit agencies, as well as maintenance and training staff, to transition to electric systems from their known mechanical systems and diesel power.

With 7,000 HybriDrive propulsion systems operating around the world, more than 1 billion passengers are helping to save 15 million gallons of fuel each year while eliminating 160,000 tons of CO2 from entering the atmosphere.


http://www.metro-magazine.com/sustainability/news/717531/bae-systems-delivers-7-000th-hybrid-electric-system-for-buses
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Re: Electric Vehicles
« Reply #185 on: December 23, 2016, 06:38:53 pm »
Ready to Buy an EV? Here's How to Save Big

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Re: Electric Vehicles
« Reply #186 on: January 03, 2017, 06:41:52 pm »
Tony Seba: All new vehicles, globally, will be electric by 2030

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 January 3, 2017


http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/tony-seba-all-new-vehicles-globally-will-be-electric-2030.html
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« Reply #187 on: January 03, 2017, 09:41:12 pm »
Technology News | Sun Dec 25, 2016 | 6:27pm EST

Power surge: Chinese electric car battery maker charges for global market 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-autos-batteries-idUSKBN14E0K1
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Re: Electric Vehicles
« Reply #188 on: January 17, 2017, 04:32:37 pm »
Fiat, Renault, VW scams will hasten rise of electric car

Published on 13/01/2017, 4:29pm

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In an attempt to rebuild its post-scandal image, VW decided that only electric cars could wash it clean. The company announced in November that it planned to be a world leader in the market, building one million electric vehicles every year by 2025.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/01/13/fiat-renault-vw-scams-will-hasten-rise-of-electric-car/

 
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« Reply #189 on: January 20, 2017, 05:16:15 pm »


VW seeks e-car quota deal with China / Swedish-German power connection

#Cars #International

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung

China’s quota challenges VW

Germany’s largest car manufacturer VW struggles to comply with China’s planned quota for e-cars, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) reports. “The e-quota certainly is going to be a challenge,” a VW manager for China told journalists on Thursday in Beijing. The Chinese government last year announced carmakers will have to sell a certain share of their cars with electric engines as soon as 2018, thereby gaining “credit points” that they can sell to their competitors. According to FAZ, VW is now seeking to strike a deal with Chinese authorities that would allow the carmaker to gather “negative” credit points if it fails to meet the quota straight away. By exceeding the quota in later years, VW hopes to avoid being fined this way, FAZ writes.

For background, read the CLEW dossier The Energiewende and German carmakers.

 

#Grid #International

50Hertz

Power interconnector between Germany and Sweden

Germany and Sweden will build a 300 kilometre-long, 700 megawatt direct current power line connecting storage-rich Scandinavia with wind- and solar-powered continental Europe. “The cable improves the integration of renewable energies in the transmission grid and thus supports climate-friendly and cost efficient power generation. The European Single Market helps us design the Energiewende at low costs,” said Rainer Baake, German state secretary in the economy ministry, according to a press release by 50Hertz. German and Swedish transmission grid operators 50Hertz and Svenska kraftnät signed a cooperation agreement detailing existing plans for the 600-million-euro investment. The interconnector is to be in operation by 2025/26.

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« Reply #190 on: February 09, 2017, 10:40:24 pm »

Technology News | Wed Feb 8, 2017 | 10:48pm EST

Exclusive: Tesla pausing factory for Model 3 preparation this month



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-model-idUSKBN15N2W7

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« Reply #191 on: March 02, 2017, 02:22:44 pm »
March 2, 2017

China will force 67,000 fossil fuel-powered Taxis to switch to electric in order to cut back on pollution 


Typical Beijing vista. Credit: Flickr, Kevin Dooley.

Beijing is notorious for being one of the most polluted cities in the world. Smog alerts are a common affair and last winter there were more than a dozen days when life-threatening particle matter measured in the air was 10 times over the limit determined safe by the World Health Organization. To tackle rampant air pollution as a result of China’s accelerated economic growth based on burning gargantuan quantities of fossil fuels, the local government has enacted several desperate measures. One recent mandate will force thousands of taxi drivers to switch to electric vehicles or else they risk having their licenses withdrawn.

Some 67,000 of Beijing’s 71,000 taxis currently run on gasoline, diesel, or liquefied gas. According to a draft work program on air pollution control for Beijing, Tianjin, Hebei, all of these vehicles will gradually have to switch to electric.

The timeframe isn’t clear as of yet, but it the whole mandate will reportedly cost taxi companies nine billion yuan (1.3 billion US dollars). In China, the market price for a typical gasoline-powered vehicle is $10,000 but an electric car can cost twice as much. The government is lending a hand, though.

China is the largest EV market in the world with more than 400,000 units sold in 2016, January to November. By 2020, the Chinese government wants to see five million EVs on its streets and is offering subsidies that in some instances can amount to more than 70% of the EV’s market price. For instance, the two-door battery electric Chery eQ costs around 60,000 yuan ($8,655) after subsidies worth 100,000 yuan or so.

Two-door battery electric Chery eQ   

The same subsidies, however, have provided a perverse incentive for fraud. There are more than 200 EV manufacturers in China, most of them popping up in the last five years. As you might imagine, the vast majority don’t meet the strict quality guidelines required to make a Chinese EV competitive with the likes of Tesla or General Motors. With this in mind, since January 2017, subsidies at local-government levels have been capped at 50 percent of that offered by the central government.

“In the long term, this is going to help the industry to develop in a healthy way, but in the short term it’ll put pressure on even the big manufacturers,” Ka Leong Lo, Hong Kong-based analyst at Maybank Kim Eng Securities, told China Daily.

“The reason the ministry is putting a cap on local government subsidies is mainly because it wants to weed out frauds.”

Even with this cap, the subsidies are still generous which shouldn’t be that much of a hassle for Chinese taxi companies. What will be problematic, however, will be the charging stations which Beijing woefully lacks. In 2014, when only 200 electric cabs were added to the Beijing fleet, many drivers complained queues could last for up to six hours. The 172 charging facilities in Beijing as of the end of 2015 had performed over two million charges, according to the Beijing Electric Power Company. Beijing would have to add at least 100 times more to accommodate this new mandate.

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« Reply #192 on: March 09, 2017, 06:03:56 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: I missed this when it was published. Oh well, here it is, better late than never.  ;D

All Dutch Trains Now Run 100% On Wind Power
January 8th, 2017 by Rogier van Rooij

SNIPPET:

Electric trains have always been a relatively sustainable mode of transport, with much lower emissions than cars, but as of the 1st of January, 2017, all electric train rides in the Netherlands have become even greener. They are now entirely powered by clean, renewable, wind energy.


Funny video at link:

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« Reply #193 on: March 12, 2017, 02:05:40 pm »
VW Golf Blue-E-Motion



Volkswagen, Daimler and BMW to build more than 106,000 e-cars this year 

German carmakers Volkswagen, Daimler, and BMW are likely to build more than 106,000 e-cars this year, an increase of 54 percent compared to last year, according to a forecast by business consultancy PwC.

Production of hybrid models by German carmakers will increase 46 percent to 330,000 units, according to the forecast. “These numbers suggest that German carmakers are serious about the green transition,” said Christoph Stürmer, Global Lead Analyst at PwC Autofacts.

http://www.pwc.de/de/pressemitteilungen/2017/54-prozent-mehr-elektroantriebe-deutschlands-autobauer-wechseln.html


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« Reply #194 on: March 14, 2017, 06:13:20 pm »
Porsche’s first fully electric vehicle, the Mission E, could charge in only 15 minutes
The glamorous Porsche Mission E. Credit: Porsche

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Tesla has some serious competition heading its way once Porsche starts rolling out the Mission E as early as 2020. This is Porsche’s first fully electric vehicle and while details so far have been rather cryptic, the press has been thrown a bone from time to time. One of the most recent breaking news about the Mission E is that it should be capable of charging in only 15 minutes, according to Detlev von Platen, Porsche board member and former CEO of Porsche Cars North America.

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“If you’re having some fun on the track, waiting 6 hours to recharge would bother you. That’s why we are working so hard on a technology that would charge the battery in 15 minutes.” von Platen told Tim Stevens from Cnet.

When von Platen talks about ‘having fun on the track’ he means it. Previously, we learned that the Mission E, which looks as stunning as any Porsche by the way, will be equipped with two motors and an all-wheel-drive packing 600 horsepower. It can reach a top speed of 150 miles per hour but can get from zero to 60 in only 3.5 seconds, which is still inferior to Tesla’s Model S P100D 2.5 seconds in Ludicrous Mode but, really, who drives this insanely?

As for usability, the Mission E has four seats and four doors which open in a radically different way, as seen below. There are no exterior mirrors. Instead, a display mounted on the lower corner of the windshield shows what’s going on around the car from camera feeds. Wait, there’s more. There’s also a camera that detects where the driver is looking and a computer detects what instrument on the dashboard the driver wants to open. The instruments displayed on the car’s dashboard also shift position along with the driver as you move higher or lower on the seat, for instance.

Full article with added graphics:

http://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/porsche-mission-3-charge-0432423/
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