Renewable Revolution

Sheesh. I step away for a few days, and the thread is engulfed in
Flames from the Hubs of Hell for page after page.

Karpatok (sp?) is new on me.  Amusing rants!  Too bad I missed the
fun over at TAE; I visit there so seldom.

No surprise about Ilargi, who always struck me as a pompous
windbag, and intolerant of even mild criticism. I remember him over
on the old Latoc: he started a thread and laid out the basic TAE rap
about deflationary meltdown, etc.  I tossed in some pointed rejoinders,
to which he responded half-hysterically, before stomping out in a huff.

Interesting about Ashvin, Man of the Cloth. I had no idea.  I always
thought he had Marxist leanings. Though perhaps the two are not as
incompatible as some facts suggest (e.g. the militant atheism of most
Marxists).

Holy Rollers do tend to be insufferable, though I suppose there could
be exceptions.

But, don't mind me. Carry on, all.  Should I make a second batch of
popcorn?

alan2012,
Watch out, you may be attracting more convoluted, Orwellian defenses of the indefensible back at The Amazing Enema site. Or is it Ilargi's The Atrocious Ego site? I seem to have forgotten. :icon_mrgreen: At any rate TAE is definitely on "Automatic" denial of proper EROI numbers for fossil fuels.

Their "realpolitik" fossil fuel numbers exclude subsidies, dedicated fossil fuel transportation machine building costs (oil tankers and a lot of gas fracking associated machinery like trucks that move injection chemicals from site to site and manufacturing costs for tank trucks that transport the gas) and environmental degradation costs while attempting to claim that renewables, which have NONE of those costs because they are mostly local, have "low" EROI numbers. Nicole (Stoneleigh) goes on about how renewable high "feed-in tariffs",  "subsidies" (that, regardless of what she claims, don't amount to a hill of beans compared with the fossil fuel fleecing of the populace through government corruption but she just does NOT want to go there) and "low" EROIs all "prove" that renewables aren't "competitive". 👎 BULLSHIT!

None so blind as those who refuse to see and all that. I'm done with them. I wiped the dust off my metaphorical sandals at the The Amazing Enema site. 👎

Glad to see you back. I went back over my Oil Tanker comment/article as well as the one on EROI to highlight areas for easy reading if you want to copy and paste any part to post somewhere else. The church of fossil fuel and nuclear bullshit artists has a lot of folks pretending to be critical thinkers but who, in reality, are just status quo defenders of the present bankrupt and environment destroying paradigm. Anything we can do to calmly explain to them that they are full of s h i t is worth doing.