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Yes sir, if my dream comes true, we will replace all hydrocarbon plastics with plastics made from Hemp. We will use varieties of Hemp Cannabis for health as well as many other NATURAL plant substances. I, of course, would only use pot for "medicinal" purposes.  :icon_mrgreen:  For fuel, we will use ethanol made from Lemna minor (Duckweed) and other, quick growing, chemical pesticide and fertilizer free plants that don't require soil tilling (Definitely NOT the "set up to fail by big oil" CORN biofuels).

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1 acre of corn = 150-300 bushels of corn = 420-840 gallons of ethanol 👎   
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1 acre of grass = 5-15 tons of plant material = 150-1200 gallons of ethanol 👍
 
 Ethanol is a process that ferments sugars into alcohol. It can be made from many different plant sources or feedstocks.


Or we may just all choke from our hydrocarbon poisons. :(


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Researchers are exploring ways to make ethanol from other feedstocks or plant materials. Feedstocks are also known as biomass and include corn stover (leaves and stalks of the corn plant), corncobs, and wheat straw, perennial grasses, wood chips (including waste from the forestry and paper industries), and waste from food manufacturing. Waste from our communities such as garbage, shredded paper, and wood waste is being considered also. Researchers from around the world are evaluating plant materials that grow in their region for cellulosic ethanol production potential.
http://web.extension.illinois.edu/ethanol/cellulosic.cfm

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Why Alcohol Fuel? The Two-Minute Summary

1. Almost every country can become energy independent. Anywhere that has sunlight and land can produce alcohol from plants. Brazil, the fifth largest country in the world imports no oil, since half its cars run on alcohol fuel made from sugarcane, grown on 1% of its land.
 
2. We can reverse global warming. Since alcohol is made from plants, its production takes carbon dioxide out of the air, sequestering it, with the result that it reverses the greenhouse effect (while potentially vastly improving the soil). Recent studies show that in a permaculturally designed mixed-crop alcohol fuel production system, the amount of greenhouse gases removed from the atmosphere by plants—and then exuded by plant roots into the soil as sugar—can be 13 times what is emitted by processing the crops and burning the alcohol in our cars.
 
3. We can revitalize the economy instead of suffering through Peak Oil. Oil is running out, and what we replace it with will make a big difference in our environment and economy. Alcohol fuel production and use is clean and environmentally sustainable, and will revitalize families, farms, towns, cities, industries, as well as the environment. A national switch to alcohol fuel would provide many millions of new permanent jobs.
 
4. No new technological breakthroughs are needed. We can make alcohol fuel out of what we have, where we are. Alcohol fuel can efficiently be made out of many things, from waste products like stale donuts, grass clippings, food processing waste-even ocean kelp. Many crops produce many times more alcohol per acre than corn, using arid, marshy, or even marginal land in addition to farmland. Just our lawn clippings could replace a third of the autofuel we get from the Mideast.
 
5. Unlike hydrogen fuel cells, we can easily use alcohol fuel in the vehicles we already own. Unmodified cars can run on 50% alcohol, and converting to 100% alcohol or flexible fueling (both alcohol and gas) costs only a few hundred dollars. Most auto companies already sell new dual-fuel vehicles.
 
6. Alcohol is a superior fuel to gasoline! It’s 105 octane, burns much cooler with less vibration, is less flammable in case of accident, is 98% pollution-free, has lower evaporative emissions, and deposits no carbon in the engine or oil, resulting in a tripling of engine life. Specialized alcohol engines can get at least 22% better mileage than gasoline or diesel.
 
7. It’s not just for gasoline cars. We can also easily use alcohol fuel to power diesel engines, trains, aircraft, small utility engines, generators to make electricity, heaters for our homes—and it can even be used to cook our food.
 
8. Alcohol has a proud history. Gasoline is a refinery’s toxic waste; alcohol fuel is liquid sunshine. Henry Ford’s early cars were all flex-fuel. It wasn’t until gasoline magnate John D. Rockefeller funded Prohibition that alcohol fuel companies were driven out of business.
 
9. The byproducts of alcohol production are clean, instead of being oil refinery waste, and are worth more than the alcohol itself. In fact, they can make petrochemical fertilizers and herbicides obsolete. The alcohol production process concentrates and makes more digestible all protein and non-starch nutrients in the crop. It’s so nutritious that when used as animal feed, it produces more meat or milk than the corn it comes from. That’s right, fermentation of corn increases the food supply and lowers the cost of food.
 
10. Locally produced ethanol supercharges regional economies. Instead of fuel expenditures draining capital away to foreign bank accounts, each gallon of alcohol produces local income that gets recirculated many times. Every dollar of tax credit for alcohol generates up to $6 in new tax revenues from the increased local business.
 
11. Alcohol production brings many new small-scale business opportunities. There is huge potential for profitable local, integrated, small-scale businesses that produce alcohol and related byproducts, whereas when gas was cheap, alcohol plants had to be huge to make a profit.
 
12. Scale matters—most of the widely publicized potential problems with ethanol are a function of scale. Once production plants get beyond a certain size and are too far away from the crops that supply them, closing the ecological loop becomes problematic. Smaller-scale operations can more efficiently use a wide variety of crops than huge specialized one-crop plants, and diversification of crops would largely eliminate the problems of monoculture.

13. The byproducts of small-scale alcohol plants can be used in profitable, energy-efficient, and environmentally positive ways. For instance, spent mash (the liquid left over after distillation) contains all the nutrients the next fuel crop needs and can return it back to the soil if the fields are close to the operation. Big-scale plants, because they bring in crops from up to 45 miles away, can’t do this, so they have to evaporate all the water and sell the resulting byproduct as low-price animal feed,which accounts for half the energy used in the plant.
http://alcoholcanbeagas.com/node/518

The above is not hopium, it's science! Only Big Oil prevents it from happening.


Lemna minor (Duckweed) ponds treat the waste and provide biomass for pelletized duckweed animal feed, furnace fuel or ethanol.

Duckweed is two solutions in one!
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Finally! NASA (Never A Straight Answer) gives a STRAIGHT ANSWER!

Sorry, it's not about ETs but it is good for your health. 


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Saturday, September 15, 2012

Want Cleaner and Purer Air? Try Air-Cleaning Plants, NASA Says
Elizabeth Renter
Activist Post

NASA knows a thing or two about keeping air clean, sending astronauts into space with a limited amount of breathable air for months
After all, they can’t simply open a window when things get stuffy in space.

What NASA researchers have learned about air quality in the home concerning air-cleaning plants, however, is refreshing to say the least.

They’ve found several common houseplant varieties can essentially clean the air of certain chemicals. They tested a variety of plants to see which was best at removing carcinogens like trichloroethylene, formaldehyde, and benzene. But, these chemicals aren’t in my home—you might be thinking. And you would be wrong.

Cleansing the air with Air-Cleaning Plants

According to the NY Times:

Formaldehyde is commonly found in drapes, glues and coating products. Benzene is a component of paint supplies and tobacco smoke, and trichloroethylene is used in adhesives, spot removers and other household products.”
And with asbestos, formaldehyde, and other VOCs leaching off every wall of our home, it’s no surprise that indoor pollution may be causing 50% of illnesses worldwide.

Those headaches you have on a regular basis, where the cause just can’t be pinpointed, may actually be a result of poor air quality in your home. The good news is that you can cleanse the air with air-cleaning plants – what better way to solve a problem than with nature.

Taken from NASA’s ‘Interior Landscape Plants for Indoor Air Pollutant Abatement‘ report, it reads:
Another promising approach to further reducing trace levels of air pollutants in side future space habitats is the use of higher plants and their associated soil microorganisms. (28-29) Since man’s existence on Earth depends upon a life support system involving an intricate relationship with plants and their associated microorganisms, it should be obvious that when he attempts to isolate himself in tightly sealed buildings away from this ecological system, problems will arise…
In this study the leaves, roots, soil, and associated microorganisms of plants have been evaluated as a possible means of reducing indoor air pollutants. Additionally, a novel approach of using plants stems for removing high concentrations of indoor air pollutants such as cigarette smoke, organic solvents, and possibly radon has been designed from this work.

The plants found to be most effective at purifying the air include:
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Peace lilies

Mother-in-law’s tongue (also called a snake plant - no jokes please!  ;D

Ficus


Gerbera daisies

Snake plants

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Devil’s ivy

Dr. Clifford W. Bassett, of New York University’s School of Medicine says that one plant for every 100 square feet of your home is a good rule of thumb.

Rather than spending several hundred dollars on air purifiers and humidifiers, you can spend a few dollars on a plant and some dirt for the same or even better effects.

And of course there are other air purifying plants you can use as well:

Chrysanthemum (Chrysantheium morifolium) - Reduces benzene and formaldehyde, while adding a splash of color in your home.

Bamboo palm (Chamaedorea sefritzii) - A great plant for being out of direct sunlight, bamboo palm cleanses the air of formaldehyde.

Red-Edge dracaena (Dracaena marginata) - This large-growing plant removes benzene and trichloroethylene from its surroundings.

Spider plant (Chlorophytum comosum) - Don’t want to baby plants? Try this low-maintenance option that filters formaldehyde. [/b]

It’s nearly impossible to get completely away from air pollution. Even if you move to a cave in the mountains, your fire and the smog from nearby areas would reach you. But, if you can decorate your house with air-cleaning plants, you can at least minimize their presence in your most sacred of spaces.

While some insist on moving toward genetically modified plants that produce pharmaceuticals, the rest of us simply want to embrace the the natural cleansing capabilities of nature.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/09/want-cleaner-and-purer-air-try-air.html
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The poison hemlock famously drunk by Socrates is deadly, but the water hemlock is just as fatal. According to the USDA, water hemlock or poison parsnip is “the most violently toxic plant in North America”. The flowers and stems are safe, but the stalky roots contain chambers that are full of a deadly sap containing the convulsant cicutoxin. Grand mal seizures are followed by a quick death if even a tiny amount is consumed.
http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2008/09/16/16-most-unassuming-yet-lethal-killer-plants/

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Medical treatment of poisoning may include the use of activated charcoal to decrease gastrointestinal absorption of the toxic principle along with supportive care including anticonvulsant drugs such as a benzodiazepine. High doses of anticonvulsant medicine are often required to halt seizure activity and further medical care including intubation and mechanical ventilation may be required.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicuta

The street name for Benzodiazepines is "Benzos". You've probably taken some at one time or another if you have ever been prescribed medication for anxiety (or been IN on the college or street drug scene  8)). Veterinarians give it to cats before a procedure. :cat:  It has a curious effect on them (makes them ravenously hungry when they wake up) so, with moderation (Vet supervision strongly recommended), you can perk up your cat's appetite if he refuses to eat. But I digress. 

EMT's carry benzos because, if someone is convulsing, this stuff goes straight to the glutamate transmission mechanism in humans and prevents the transmission from locking in the "ON" position which will produce hypertoxicity and mess you up very badly (a lot of pain for the rest of your life) if it doesn't kill you right away.
Halcion is a benzo. They are very addictive and, since the body of humans (and cats in particular) metabolizes them very slowly in the liver (there are some exceptions to this), can become toxic for the liver. There are other cognitive problems associated with abuse of benzos as well. Don't use them unless it is an emergency but if you can have some in your bugout first aid kit, it's a great idea.

Cicuta (Water hemlock) varieties are quite common in the US.

This is a map of the distribution of Cicuta maculata (spotted Water hemlock) in the lower 48.


Spotted Water hemlock

Spotted Water hemlock

Spotted Water hemlock

All in the (highly poisonous ☠️) family:

Circuta virosa (Northern Water hemlock or Cowbane) illlustration showing the root chambers with the convulsant poison sap. This is common to all types of Water Hemlock.

water hemlock root


Cicuta douglasii (Western Water Hemlock) is just as poisonous. Here's the geographic distribution:

Western Water Hemlock

Western Water Hemlock

Western Water Hemlock poison chambers at root base exposed

I recommend Doomstad Diners read up on this plant (all the Cicuta family). Why? Because it is common and thereby accessible to you in a collapse scenario.

Homeopathic use of this plant's poison root sap or juice is limited to some topical applications and Never for internal use. But always remember the basis of plant poisons is mostly alkaloids. Living things haven't evolved a defense against  alkaloids. Consequently, some insects that attack your dwelling or your skin might be warded off with homemade concoctions of this poison.

Cicuta will be there when we are gone. Make it your friend and it can help keep you healthy. Of course you must make sure that animals don't forage on it (It ain't called cowbane for nothin'!) but you can use cicutoxin to your benefit instead of your detriment.

Don't confuse Water Hemlock with the following two look alikes:

1. Queen Ann's Lace (Daucus carota - wild carrot)
Notice how flat and platelike the flower bouquet shape is

Queen Ann's Lace

As you will see, this plant's charcteristics and uses for humans are radically different from hemlock poisons.

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Queen Anne's Lace is found all over the United States and goes by many different names: Wild Carrot, Birds Nest Weed, Devils Plague, Fools Parsley, and Lace Flower. You have probably seen it growing by the roadside.
It grows two to four feet tall with the flower head made up of numerous tiny flowers. There may be a red or purple flower in the middle. This is too attract insects.

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Queen Anne's Lace is a member of the carrot family and if you dig up the roots or break the stem and smell it, it will smell like carrots.

When young, the root is edible, but as it grows older it becomes tough and fibrous and doesn't' taste as good.
This flower has been in the United States since colonial times, probably its seeds come over her in bags of grain from Europe, maybe even with the pilgrims.
http://voices.yahoo.com/queen-annes-lace-more-than-just-weed-510975.html?cat=32

MAYBE, my FOOT! It seems those prudish pilgrim ladies that came over from Europe were more modern and practical than many give them credit for.
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Women have used the seeds from Daucus carota commonly known as wild carrot or queen anne's lace, for centuries as a contraceptive, the earliest written reference dates back to the late 5th or 4th century B.C. appearing in a work written by Hippocrates. John Riddle writes in Eve's Herbs, that queen anne's lace (QAL) seeds are one of the more potent antifertility agents available, and a common plant in many regions of the world. "The seeds, harvested in the fall, are a strong contraceptive if taken orally immediately after coitus."1 (pe nis/vag ina sex).
http://www.sisterzeus.com/qaluse.htm

Take THAT, you feminists!  ;D

Where was I?

Right, back to poisons ☠️ :

2. POISON HEMLOCK - (Conium maculatum)

Conium maculatum

Conium maculatum flowers close up

Conium maculatum

Conium maculatum

Doomstead Diners would do well to learn from plants that when you have little or no mobility  (i.e. fast collapse scenario) you need to be unattractive to predators. Spiders use quick acting neurotoxins to immobilize prey. Plants get their energy from the sun and whatever else they need from the interplay of pollinating insects, seed dispersing earthlings that eat the fruit and soil microbes that fix nitrogen and aid in essential minerals uptake.

Plants, unlike us, are quite willing to lose parts without skipping a beat as long as those parts are above ground. Kill the roots and you kill the plant. So it is logical that plants want to send a strong message to any animal that bites into their root systems that it's a lousy idea if staying alive is the plan. Learn from the plants. In a collapse scenario, if you aren't superman, your chances of being left alone are much improved if you are considered as unattractive as a leper. Think about it. It may save your life.

Nature's most widely used defense mechanism is camouflage. After camouflage comes POISON. In the biosphere, a good hiding spot with a biological shield that doubles as a snare is far more energy efficient than fangs and claws. And even all these earthlings armed with sharp teeth, fangs and claws don't go around killing things when they aren't hungry. Only mankind is that stupid.
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Now it's true that Rosary Pea only lives in tropical and subtropical climates, in N America that means South Florida and Mexico.
I think that you hit on the reason right there. The ubiquity of water hemlock combined with the quick acting poison seems to be the FDA reasoning behind giving Cicuta top billing.

As to Lethal Dosing levels with the Rosary Pea, I wasn't aware of their high toxicity. Thanks for the info. I've been reading about different plants with some powerful alkaloids ( http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ww0703.htm ) and I haven't worked my way to the Rosary Pea yet.

If you want a VERY high poison for a blow dart, you obviously want a high concentration of toxin in the substance. The best way to go there is the arachnids. Highly venomous spiders immobilize their prey. Death occurs sometimes instantly but often later. From your point of view (and the spider's point of view as well) your main goal is immobilization. Hence you have to interfere with the mammalian nervous system so the ATP (adenosine tri phosphate) energy bundles that drive muscle movement are stopped in their tracks. Muscle movement is directed by magnesium and calcium ion channels in the central nervous system. A neurotoxin locks these channels in the "ON" position resulting in no movement at all OR violent convulsions including heart fibrillation, lung paralysis and subsequent death.  It's been a while since I went through the whole glutamate  channel freeze up (GABA receptors) process so I may have left out some steps in this biochemical death dance but I'm sure you get the idea. It's FAST!

The venom of the abundant Latrodectus mactans (black widow) consists a variable mix of neurotoxic proteins, enzymes and bioactive molecules such as polyamines that potentiate neurotoxicity. This helps immobilize the prey and begins digesting it too. When we get bitten by a black widow, we can suffer from latrodectism. Other spiders like the brown recluse can cause inflammation and hemorrhagic ulceration. I'd go with black widow venom.



The chelicarae are the hollow fangs with a venom sack for each inside and behind them. As long as that venom doesn't get to an open wound in YOU, you can eat a prey animal you just immobilized with the blow dart coated with spider neurotoxin. You cannot say the same about plant poisons. That cicotoxin or other alkaloid plant poison will be in the animal you just brought down. Spider venom in the animal will not affect you.  It seems like a better deal for prey. 

That said, you need to understand that neurotoxins have shelf lives and may require refrigeration. I don't know. You would need to start a black widow raising operation. I'm sure your wife would just love that!  :icon_mrgreen: Those spiders are probably not too difficult to raise. Just make sure they have enough bugs and water. Field biologists "milk" the venom from spiders (without the need to kill them) by a brief exposure (about 10 seconds) to 100% carbon dioxide (spider in a bottle filled with this gas or a hood bubble place over it. You can tell the spider gets knocked out because its legs fold up or appear to relax- the info on how specifically to do this is on the internet if you are interested - no I don't have a link handy). When a spider clamps its chelicerae, the venom is automatically pumped into the holding flask through the latex membrane just bitten.

Finally, depending on how much you actually need to bring down the animal you are hunting (venom to weight ratio), a dart needle covered with the venom may not be sufficient. You may have to get a hypodermic with a tiny steel ball at the end and syringe the venom up into the needle, remove the needle and mount it on the dart. When the needle impacts the animal, the tiny ball will inject the venom for quick immobilization and a less painful death for the animal (the quicker, the better).

This is what black widow venom does to us:
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If enough venom is injected into a person's body, severe pain in local muscle groups occurs, and eventually to regional muscle groups. The spread relates to the toxin initially being carried by the lymphatic system until it reaches the blood stream. Once in the blood, the venom is moved by circulation, causing its toxins to be deposited in the ends of the nerves that are inserted into the muscle.
 
The venom acts at nerve endings to prevent relaxation of muscles, causing tetany — constant, strong, and painful muscle contractions. Thus initial pain is often followed by severe muscle cramps. Contraction of musculature may extend throughout the body, though cramping in the abdomen is frequently the most severe. Back and leg muscles can often be affected as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latrodectism

IF someone shot a dart of this venom at us with 10 or fifteen times the dose a black widow normally injects, we would probably be dead within minutes.

I do not recommend using plant alkaloids for blow darts. Maybe there is a way the curare natives could use it and eat the prey but I don't know the technique. If you learn it, please share it with us here. I hope this helps.
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Is this a tiny ET?

The Water Bear could have made it the Earth without a space ship

The Water Bear is the only creature to have survived the vacuum of space.

Suppose you could survive in a vacuum, live in temperatures the would fry or freeze most life forms, be just about everywhere and when discovered by human scientists, confound classification? Like the Duck Billed Platypus, this is one of theose creatures that defies the Darwinian evolutionary lockstep of modern "science".

This creature seems to have come out of nowhere. No ancestors or fossils of "previous" evolutionary life forms leading t it have been found. The water bear came (possibly from space) with the full package of adaptability to a WIDE variety of climate conditions. The Water Bear (Tardigrade) is no primitive blue green algae or run of the mill microscopic extremophile. It has muscles and a digestive tract. It was named "Water Bear" because of the way it moves and the claws it has that resemble bear claws.


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About 1,150 species of tardigrades have been described. Tardigrades occur throughout the world, from the Himalayas (above 6,000 metres (20,000 ft)), to the deep sea (below 4,000 metres (13,000 ft)) and from the polar regions to the equator.

The most convenient place to find tardigrades is on lichens and mosses. Other environments are dunes, beaches, soil, and marine or freshwater sediments, where they may occur quite frequently (up to 25,000 animals per liter). Tardigrades often can be found by soaking a piece of moss in spring water.

Tardigrades are able to survive in extreme environments that would kill almost any other animal. Some can survive temperatures of close to absolute zero, or 0 Kelvin (−273 °C (−459 °F)), temperatures as high as 151 °C (304 °F), 1,000 times more radiation than other animals, and almost a decade without water. Since 2007, tardigrades have also returned alive from studies in which they have been exposed to the vacuum of space for a few days in low Earth orbit. Tardigrades are the first animal to survive in space.1

All that toughness is great but you need the ability to go into suspended animation for successful long duration space travel to the planet of the naked killer apes. Does the Water Bear deliver? Read on.

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Tardigrades are one of the few groups of species that are capable of reversibly suspending their metabolism and going into a state of cryptobiosis. 1

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Tardigrades have been known to withstand the following extremes while in this state:

Temperature – tardigrades can survive being heated for a few minutes to 151 °C (424 K), or being chilled for days at -200 °C (73 K), or for a few minutes at -272 °C (~1 degree above absolute zero).

Pressure
– they can withstand the extremely low pressure of a vacuum and also very high pressures, more than 1,200 times atmospheric pressure. Tardigrades can survive the vacuum of open space and solar radiation combined for at least 10 days.Some species can also withstand pressure of 6,000 atmospheres, which is nearly six times the pressure of water in the deepest ocean trench, the Mariana trench.

Dehydration
– tardigrades have been shown to survive nearly 10 years in a dry state. When exposed to extremely low temperatures, their body composition goes from 85% water to only 3%. As water expands upon freezing, dehydration ensures the tardigrades do not get ripped apart by the freezing ice (as waterless tissues cannot freeze).

Radiation
 – tardigrades can withstand median lethal doses of 5,000 Gy (of gamma-rays) and 6,200 Gy (of heavy ions) in hydrated animals (5 to 10 Gy could be fatal to a human). The only explanation thus far for this ability is that their lowered water state provides fewer reactants for the ionizing radiation.
Environmental toxins
 – tardigrades can undergo chemobiosis—a cryptobiotic response to high levels of environmental toxins. However, these laboratory results have yet to be verified.

Outer space
 – In September 2007, tardigrades were taken into low Earth orbit on the FOTON-M3 mission and for 10 days were exposed to the vacuum of space. After being rehydrated back on Earth, over 68% of the subjects protected from high-energy UV radiation survived and many of these produced viable embryos, and a handful had survived full exposure to solar radiation. In May 2011, tardigrades were sent into space along with other extremophiles on STS-134, the final flight of Space Shuttle Endeavour 1

It looks like this MEEK little creature has a much better chance of inheriting the Earth than the ARROGANT naked killer apes do.

The Biosphere is always teaching. It's too bad Homo SAP isn't learning jack s h i t.

Do you want to have some fun? Go to the Wikipeda link and read the exercise in cheap rationalization and grasping at evolutionary straws from the scientific classification cubbyholers trying to push the Tardigrades into some convenient evolutionary niche (Evolutionary relationships and history 1).

They can't find fossils so they make the RIDICULOUS claim that this multicellular creature that has a chitinous cover (like many insects THAT DO LEAVE FOSSILS BECAUSE OF THE CHITINOUS COVERING)  is "too small" to leave fossils. SAY WHAT!!? There are fossils for MUCH smaller microspcopic creatures out there.
The Water Bear doesn't fit so the old Procrustean Bed is pulled out to MAKE IT FIT!

I think the Water Bear didn't evolve. It might even be an ET GMO made with a lot more skill than Monsanto has and with a benign purpose that Homo SAP isn't aware of. Whenever the scientific community isn't aware of something, or cannot measure it, they always claim it's NOT THERE. So the Tardigrades are just another curiosity for our scientists rather than evidence of a giant flaw in evolutionary theory.

I think the Water Bear is a rather cute ET.

1.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade
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I'm talking to you. //

Take it easy, Karpatok. And write that article about Adele Davis so maybe you-know-who will to get his head out of his arse and adopt a more healthy diet! I'll proof read it and put pictures in it if you want help packaging it for Da Godfader. Surly1 has also offered help.

The vitriol I am pretty tired of here is NOT centered on you although you have succeeded from time to time in getting my dander up.

My exhaustion is based on a perception, accurate or not, that, as the song whose title I forgot goes, "There ain't no use in takin' when there ain't nobody listening".

But I'm an ornery sob so I may just hang around to see who I can **** off.  :icon_mrgreen:

I recommend you do the same, Xena. Just try to keep a healthy sense of humor and don't take yourself so seriously.

The world is ALL **** UP. There is a huge probability that we won't make a dent in the monstrous momentum of evil and death facing us. But we can give it the old college try.

I do it because I think it's God's will. You do it because you think it's the right thing to do and you don't need some dumb **** "crutch" called faith in and obedience to the will of God.

As far as I'm concerned the walking is what counts regardless of the talking. Curse my God all you want. As long as you continue to stand up for justice and the downtrodden, I'll cheer you on. :emthup:

Karpatok walks in and is greeted by Agelebert: Hi Xena, how's it going?

Karpatok: I feel like fading into the shadows.

Agelbert: Don't worry, you'll get over it.

Karpatok:  :thefinger:

Agelbert: That's better. Just don't let it happen again.  ;D

FWIW, this exchange is one of the reasons I come to the Diner and have invested so much tme and effort in it. It is difficult to have a genuinely human exchange in a virtual community, but here it is. The humanity and decency in AG's approach is a model we all ought to emulate. Well done.

Glad to see you back.

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Agelbert NOTE: TAE = The Automatic Earth 👎 web site.

Let's face it, RE, you don't give two shits about agelbert or how much effort he put into his comment, or his message, or anyone else here.

If I didn't care about Agelbert getting his message out, WHY did I publish WBIII and edit it for him so it had decent paragraph breaks AND dig up all the graphics for it also?  I don't even AGREE with half of what he writes! If its all about me, how come Surly and Peter and Ross are in on this? How come I am happy to welcome WHD to the Team?  Sure I write more than anybody else but at least up there on the Blog I am always publishing other viewpoints.  You guys are the ones with the blinders on running the Ego Trip.

You guys got one spin and one spin only over there.  Drink the TAE Kool-Aid or take a Hike. Far as the metaphorical Orkin Man goes, that is YOU Guys on TAE. You'll send non-believers to the Guillotine over there and Ban and Censor them at the drop of a hat.  Here on DD, we Forgive and Forget.

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Ashvin,
You are dead wrong about RE. His style is different from mine but he, and I, both can spot bullshit, mendacity and verbal dancing a mile away. You are also out of line in attempting an explanation of Nicole's position on this or that. You have danced around the FACT that neither Nicole or Ilargi have gone into a detailed response to my subsequent posts. You're a good debater, Ashvin. when someone goes for generalities, you claim they should be more specific. When someone goes for the specifics, you claim they are "swamping". You have quite a bit of skill in dancing around core issues. When you no longer can dance around a core issue like fossil fuel worship, you reach for some justification to counter that assertion as well. And really, Ashvin, this scripture verse quoting you are using on RE is known as "bible wars". I feel it is improper to attempt to use scripture to score debating points or put down another person. I think Karpatok's assessment of Nicole's ivory tower arrogance and your uncalled for intersession is spot on as well.

I admit I see red every time I see the name George Monbiot. He is a shill of the nuclear homo sapiens poison pill of the worst sort because he has a voice and some pro-environment credentials so yeah, I didn't read the comments before posting. I had read his piece on another web site. GET THIS, Ashvin, this tool always follows a pattern. He gets press for some "pro-environment" position and subsequent  articles will then come up with the BULLSHIT of the "new" and "wonderous" and "safe" Thorium reactors or some other nuclear high tech poisoned boondoggle.  TAE made a grievous error in giving this tool a soap box. As to ANYTHING Nicole feels about his or that, she can come over here and post it. She does not require your mediation.

Getting back to bible verses, here's one of my favorites from good old Paul in Galatians:
GOD IS NOT MOCKED, WHATSOEVER YOU SOW, THAT YOU SHALL REAP. That's not the exact quote, but I think you get the picture. 8)  This, of course, applies to ALL OF US!  ;D ;D ;D

If you REALLY believe your pals at TAE are rational individuals not married to a bankrupt world view and I am the one being irrational here, try this experiment:

Give them this info and ask them, for the sake of truth and accuracy at TAE, to become members of the Union of Concerned Scientists. If they agree to spend a paltry $35 a month (minimum contribution) to get the real story on climate and energy reality and corporate skullduggery, then your pals are being rational and I have overreacted. If not, you and your pals are the ones being irrational, judgemental and closed minded.

Here's the info:


The Union of Concerned Scientists has a new report:
Some highlights of the report:
"The 28 companies we investigated spent more than $300 million lobbying Congress in the run up to possible climate legislation;

Koch Industries alone has spent more than $55 million since 1997 to misrepresent climate science or oppose safeguards to rein in global warming emissions; and

The oil company ConocoPhillips has backed the campaigns of anti-climate candidates for Congress by a ratio of more than 15 to 1 over candidates who have supported science-based climate policies."

"There isn't any real science to say we are altering the climate path of the earth"
Senator Roy Blunt (R-MO)

http://www.ucsusa.org/

"The Monsanto Company, the leading agricultural biotechnology company, spends millions each year on advertising aimed at convincing policy-makers and the public that their so-called “better seeds” are feeding a growing population, protecting natural resources, and promoting biodiversity. But the reality of Monsanto’s products is somewhat less idyllic. In a post on the Union of Concerned Scientists’ (UCS) blog, The Equation, Senior Analyst Karen Perry Stillerman unveils a new series of UCS ads showing that Monsanto is not improving agriculture, but rather undermining progress toward greater sustainability.

UCS just completed a trilogy of reports assessing the biotechnology industry’s claims about the potential of genetic engineering to increase crop yields, reduce nitrogen fertilizer pollution, and make crops drought-tolerant and water-efficient. The reports found that genetic engineering has failed to significantly increase U.S. corn and soybean yields, that it has yet to produce any commercial crop engineered for nitrogen efficiency, and that Monsanto’s recently-introduced DroughtGard corn won’t help farmers withstand extreme droughts or reduce water use.
If you’d like to interview Stillerman or hear more about the ad campaign, call Sarah Goldberg at 215-370-2110."


http://www.ucsusa.org/

Please consider becoming a member of The Union of Concerned Scientists. They are thorough, not given to hyperbole or exaggeration and back up everything they say with hard science.


Golden Oxen and JoeP,
I agree that discretion is the better part of valor when dealing with "city hall" at TAE.  But given their inabillity to respond rationally to my "conspiracy theory" that the fossil fuel and nuclear industry is not only poisoning the planet for profit and destroying democracy as well, they have co-opted the EROI methodology to give happpy numbers for fossil and nuclear fuels and sad numbers for renewables, my only recourse is to continue educating people here with my research so more people are aware of how thoroughly gamed the energy "playing field" is. As Karpatok said, they are a small site. TAE is out of line, not just because of ideological purity, territoriality or "circle the wagons" type defense of indefensible issues like justifying EROI computations free of enviornmental degradation "externalities", but simply because, with the George Monbiot article they are showing extremely poor judgement. I was  attracted to that sight because of the "nuclear village" article detailing the abuse of poor japanese by the nuclear industry there. The lengthy articles and thorough attention to detail were a joy to me in this short attention span hell we live in these days. As I told Ashvin some time ago, I HATE twitter. I told Ashvin I enjoyed the lengthy and thorough thought  provoking comments  as another reason to like TAE. And now I'm a "swamper"!!? You've seen my posts. I enjoy detail and have been consistent in trying to explain my positions.

So, the only good thing I can say about TAE right now is: "________________" (This space intentionally left blank).

When you can't say something good, it's better to not say anything at all.  As of this moment, I am beginning a LONG vacation from TAE.

My guide in these posts will continue to be the truth, not the defense of my ego.

Finally, I wish to repeat my gratitude to RE principally but several others here (Surly's thoughtful response to my comment on Freud was one of the reasons I kept coming back here initially)  like you that ponder these posts as they relate to our world and our future; not from some turf protecting infantile position.

Thank you, Doomstead Diners for being GREAT human beings. :

   
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The Union of Concerned Scientists has a new report out detailing current democracy undermining and disinformation campaign efforts by the fossil fuel pigs:

Some highlights of the report:

"The 28 companies we investigated spent more than $300 million lobbying Congress in the run up to possible climate legislation;

Koch Industries alone has spent more than $55 million since 1997 to misrepresent climate science or oppose safeguards to rein in global warming emissions; and

The oil company ConocoPhillips has backed the campaigns of anti-climate candidates for Congress by a ratio of more than 15 to 1 over candidates who have supported science-based climate policies."

Here's one example of a front man for the church of fossil fuel worship in full moron mode:
"There isn't any real science to say we are altering the climate path of the earth"
Senator Roy Blunt (R-MO)

http://www.ucsusa.org/

And Monsanto continues to lie through its teeth:

"The Monsanto Company, the leading agricultural biotechnology company, spends millions each year on advertising aimed at convincing policy-makers and the public that their so-called “better seeds” are feeding a growing population, protecting natural resources, and promoting biodiversity. But the reality of Monsanto’s products is somewhat less idyllic. In a post on the Union of Concerned Scientists’ (UCS) blog, The Equation, Senior Analyst Karen Perry Stillerman unveils a new series of UCS ads showing that Monsanto is not improving agriculture, but rather undermining progress toward greater sustainability.

UCS just completed a trilogy of reports assessing the biotechnology industry’s claims about the potential of genetic engineering to increase crop yields, reduce nitrogen fertilizer pollution, and make crops drought-tolerant and water-efficient. The reports found that genetic engineering has failed to significantly increase U.S. corn and soybean yields, that it has yet to produce any commercial crop engineered for nitrogen efficiency, and that Monsanto’s recently-introduced DroughtGard corn won’t help farmers withstand extreme droughts or reduce water use.
If you’d like to interview Stillerman or hear more about the ad campaign, call Sarah Goldberg at 215-370-2110."

http://www.ucsusa.org/

Di you get that? DroughtGard corn by Monsanto is a MONSANTO CORPORATE LIE!

If you can swing it financially, please consider becoming a member of The Union of Concerned Scientists. The lowest monthly contribution is $35 dollars.  If you can't afford it, you can always visit their web site and pass along the info that they have available for non-members. They are thorough, not given to hyperbole or exageration and back up everything they say with hard science.

Also, be on the lookout for disinformation from George Monbiot. He is a shill for the nuclear industry with pro-environment credentials so he is the most dangerous type.

This article from the Union of concerned Scientists explains the truth about nuclear power that George Monbiot never does:

The Cost of Nuclear Power: Numbers That Don't Add Up
http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-power-cost.html

Nuclear power never was and never will be carbon neutral or cost effective. As the horrendous effects of 400+ ppm of CO2 accumulate and it becomes more and more difficult to hide the harm that fossil fuels are doing to the biosphere, expect a big PR push to saddle us with "new and improved" nuclear high tech boondoggles like Thorium reactors in order to deny sorely needed government subsidies for renewable R&D by giving them to "green" reactors instead. They might even come up with one of those Orwellian bills with a title like "Renewable Funding for a Better America" which would give .0001 % to renewables and 99.9999 % to new nuclear reactor R&D, land purchases, insurance coverage and power plant construction.

Why do they do this destructive S H I T? Because the 1% want to preserve centralized power systems at all costs, period.

Don't be deceived.
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OK agelbert,

I'll make one last reply here, and then I'm not going waste any more time dealing with this NONSENSE.

//
The bruised egos over here may decide to carry that chip on their shoulders for the rest of their lives, but I say stop basking in the reality TV culture and move the f u c k on.

Ah, the fundamentalist mindset in full priapic display. My way, or the highway, indeed. Move on, because I have lost the argument.

"By their fruits shall ye know them."


 
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@Ashvin Panguri:So before you slink off to sulk and scheme Ashvin, lets get a few things straight. Number one, it was you who banned me from posting on The Automatic Earth, not Illargi. Illargi spoke to RE but not to me. That's your s h i t speak number one. Number two. As to your being smarter than I and wanting so much to pummel me. What makes you think I would ever debate a subject in which I have no interest, a subject which I find boring, and with a person for whom I feel no respect. As far as I am concerned you are a liar and a hypocrite, as well as not being a whole or integrated person. In short, not only are you not a grown up, you have neither a real life nor the integrity that comes from having lived a real life versus a mental fantasy as an escape from dealing with the problems and commitments of real life. As was said way back on the automatic earth when you failed to exhibit any emotion regarding the Greek pensioner who committed  suicide, you are not able to truly feel empathy or sympathy for other people . I doubt whether you are even capable of forging a relationship with another person. All of your christian speak is just blowing a smokescreen to hide your great fear of feelings. You barely keep yourself going by telling yourself what a smart fellow you are and what a good competitor you are, all the while being on very shaky ground and very much alone. Well good luck to you Ashvin because that's not going to carry you very far in this life, especially not with what's coming. You think that you don't need anybody yet in reality you have demonstrated that you are very clingy. As you fight to prove yourself every step of the way , your true emptiness will manifest itself more and more as you go on in your lack of regard for everybody else.

Ashvin, perhaps you should just admit the banning was the wrong thing to do, EVEN IF Karpatok was wrong.  It's the Christian thing to do.

Let it go.

Can you pass this test of your faith?  We're all watching.

Ashvin -  it looks to me that you want to hide your Fundy leanings from the readership (and perhaps I&S) over at TAE and perhaps Karpatok wanted to know if this was also the case for I&S - hence her question (sorry if it appears I'm speaking speaking for you Karpatok - just the way it looks to me).

Nope, not at all. I know at least half the readership over here originated at TAE, or overlaps with TAE, and they know who I am. That doesn't stop me from being 100% honest about what I believe on DD threads and defending those beliefs. I don't care what people do or don't know about me. And if someone asks me whether I'm a Christian on TAE, I'll tell them that I'm the only kind of Christian worth being - a Fundamentalist.


Ashvin, this attitude reveals much. "The only kind of Christian worth being?" An attitude rich with intolerance for others, exuding the zeal of the convert, laden with self-justification. What is missing is empathy and tolerance. As I often say, "Ironies abound."

"The only kind of Christian worth being?" I think not. I think not.

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Just wanted to say there are surely more paths to God

Many Paths to God.  Many MORE ways to get lost on the Trail.

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Quote Surly "Ashvin, this attitude reveals much. "The only kind of Christian worth being?" An attitude rich with intolerance for others, exuding the zeal of the convert, laden with self-justification. What is missing is empathy and tolerance. As I often say, "Ironies abound."

"The only kind of Christian worth being?" I think not. I think not.

This phrase annoyed me as well. I decide not to respond because I thought it had to be a typo or unintentional remark misspoken. Just wanted to say there are surely more paths to God or Jesus than one. It is understandable to me how a person can be so passionate about something or a belief that he thinks others views are wrong, but the words "Only Kind Worth Being" caused a bad vibe and rang loud with the sound of intolerance within me.

I stopped discussing this thread when it became very clear Ashvin was unwilling to accept there can be more than one path.  That was some time before he drove it home with the "only kind worth being" line.
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::)

It's called having confidence in your beliefs, people. Have you ever said "I'm a ______ and proud of it!"? Same thing. I'm a Christian Fundamentalist and proud of it!

I'll admit, though, that I wish people took their Bibles, i.e. the word of God, at least half as literally as they take short phrases from some arrogant p r i c k like me in an online forum...

OK, I'm stopping on this thread for real now, I promise.

::)

I'll admit, though, that I wish people took their Bibles, i.e. the word of God, at least half as literally as they take short phrases from some arrogant prick like me in an online forum...

On this matter, we can fully agree!

 

Ashvin, I did not say that I won't read what you write because you are a Christian. I won't read your material because you are a Fundamentalist.

My very best friend is a Christian and she embodies all that is Christian to me. She's loving, patient, tolerant and empathetic. All qualities that I think, sadly, you lack. That's why I can't read your material.


 



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Sheesh. I step away for a few days, and the thread is engulfed in
Flames from the Hubs of Hell for page after page.

Karpatok (sp?) is new on me.  Amusing rants!  Too bad I missed the
fun over at TAE; I visit there so seldom.

No surprise about Ilargi, who always struck me as a pompous
windbag, and intolerant of even mild criticism. I remember him over
on the old Latoc: he started a thread and laid out the basic TAE rap
about deflationary meltdown, etc.  I tossed in some pointed rejoinders,
to which he responded half-hysterically, before stomping out in a huff.

Interesting about Ashvin, Man of the Cloth. I had no idea.  I always
thought he had Marxist leanings. Though perhaps the two are not as
incompatible as some facts suggest (e.g. the militant atheism of most
Marxists).

Holy Rollers do tend to be insufferable, though I suppose there could
be exceptions.

But, don't mind me. Carry on, all.  Should I make a second batch of
popcorn?

alan2012,
Watch out, you may be attracting more convoluted, Orwellian defenses of the indefensible back at The Amazing Enema site. Or is it Ilargi's The Atrocious Ego site? I seem to have forgotten. :icon_mrgreen: At any rate TAE is definitely on "Automatic" denial of proper EROI numbers for fossil fuels.

Their "realpolitik" fossil fuel numbers exclude subsidies, dedicated fossil fuel transportation machine building costs (oil tankers and a lot of gas fracking associated machinery like trucks that move injection chemicals from site to site and manufacturing costs for tank trucks that transport the gas) and environmental degradation costs while attempting to claim that renewables, which have NONE of those costs because they are mostly local, have "low" EROI numbers. Nicole (Stoneleigh) goes on about how renewable high "feed-in tariffs",  "subsidies" (that, regardless of what she claims, don't amount to a hill of beans compared with the fossil fuel fleecing of the populace through government corruption but she just does NOT want to go there) and "low" EROIs all "prove" that renewables aren't "competitive". 👎 BULLSHIT!

None so blind as those who refuse to see and all that. I'm done with them. I wiped the dust off my metaphorical sandals at the The Amazing Enema site. 👎

Glad to see you back. I went back over my Oil Tanker comment/article as well as the one on EROI to highlight areas for easy reading if you want to copy and paste any part to post somewhere else. The church of fossil fuel and nuclear bullshit artists has a lot of folks pretending to be critical thinkers but who, in reality, are just status quo defenders of the present bankrupt and environment destroying paradigm. Anything we can do to calmly explain to them that they are full of s h i t is worth doing.  ;D


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