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AGelbert

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Re: A High-Renewables Tomorrow, Today:
« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2015, 04:47:15 pm »
On the independent town. I have seen no budget numbers for the project. Let's agree until some one put numbers to paper we are just talking dreams.

Let's remember cost includes salaries for linemen and executives, retirement pension and retirement medical for same. The cost of the distribution network which will have to be bought from the grid or build anew in parallel. When the temperature is -20 how much methane does the dump put out? How long will the dump last until it is completely digested? Show me one town in the US northeast that is off gird. So far all we have are assertions with no facts or figure or costs. 

Fossil fuel generated energy includes all the costs you just mentioned, and does so less profitably than when renewable energy is employed. The "fossil fuels provide jobs" claim is true for the fossil fuel industry jobs, not for jobs and retirement security for the rest of the community. That is why they are "subsidized". It is curious that you don't mention that.

When you do an apples to apples comparison of renewable energy technology with fossil fuel based energy, fossil fuel comes out more expensive. I can point you to a very detailed article explaining exactly why that is. It has a lot to do with the external combustion process versus the internal combustion process. The enthalpy given fossil fuels was deliberately conflated with that of external combustion processes to give it a higher enthalpy. That is false because ALL the waste heat is lost in the internal combustion process and ALL that heat is accounted as a plus in the external combustion process. Charles Hall and friends for the old "Oil Drum" fossil fuel propaganda web site pushed that bullshit 24/7 to make a case for their disingenuous and duplicitous claim of a higher EROEI for fossil fuels versus Renewable energy.

I gave you quite a bit of data about renewable energy and access to more. The fact that it was not stated in the article about Nassau does not mean they are not making use of it.  Renewable energy technologies are now mature enough to be competitive with the artificially cheap fossil duels. The fossil fuel industry is the one that has given us groundless assertions.

As to methane, a pig farmer in the Midwest generates methane all year round, including during subzero temperatures in the winter. Just Google it. If you want to cling to some "it can't be done" hypothesis, then you are the one into baseless assertions.

Finally, what Nassau is doing, while claiming it is going "off grid", is actually creating a large microgrid. I'm surprised you did not discern that immediately. And, as soon as the utility companies see that they cannot coerce Nassau into doing what the power companies want, they will acquiesce to Nassau's microgrid plan by offering to buy the excess capacity during the day (and certain times of the year) in order to provide smoothing for the larger grid and avoid the power company costs of peak demand which might require building another natural gas power plant. Renewable Energy PREVENTS those plants from being built. THAT is the main reason Green Mountain Power is pushing renewable energy so hard; it saves them money and increases the stock price. Renewable energy is money in the bank. That is NOT a baseless assertion.   
Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:
For the Lord will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them. Pr. 22:22-23

 

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