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Re: A High-Renewables Tomorrow, Today:
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2015, 07:01:02 pm »
This U.S. Town Plans to Disconnect From the Grid and Go 100 Percent Renewables  ;D

Cole Mellino | December 15, 2015 1:56 pm

Nassau, New York, a town of 5,000 people just outside of Albany, New York, plans to disconnect from the electrical grid. Last week, the town board voted to get 100 percent of its power from renewables by 2020. The town is making the move both as a way to “increase its reliance on renewable sources of energy and to gain some energy independence,” Politico New York reported.

Nassau, New York plans to use a combination of rooftop solar, ground-mounted solar systems, wind turbines and methane-capture at landfill to generate its electricity.

“If all goes as planned, within the next four years, all six of the town buildings will be disconnected from the grid,” said Nassau Supervisor Dave Fleming. The rest of the town is developing a plan to get all of its power from renewable sources in the next four years.

“It’s not the be-all to end-all for what we should be doing as a state and a nation, but it’s a good first step,” he said. “From a practical perspective, it’s possible,” he added. “We have a lot of ‘people resources’ in our community.”

The town plans to use a combination of rooftop and ground-mounted solar, wind turbines and methane-capture from the landfill to generate its energy.

Though the tiny town’s transition to renewables may not have the impact of, say, New York City going fossil-fuel-free (Mayor Bill de Blasio has pledged for municipal operations to run on 100 percent renewable energy before 2050), it’s just one of many cities and towns around the world making the transition.

New York State even has a program to help municipalities make that transition. Spokesman Jon Sorensen told Politico:

“The state Department of Public Services wants more towns to follow Nassau’s lead. Through its Reforming Energy Vision (REV) initiative, the Cuomo administration is actively working to help municipalities—especially towns and schools—move toward getting a significant portion of their power from renewable resources. REV is designed to make the energy grid more efficient and increase its reliance on renewables, and it is intended to give consumers more choices than they have now. This is exactly the kind of thing REV is hoping to encourage. Smaller, cleaner power systems are less costly and cleaner alternatives to the bigger power stations that have made up the power grid.”

And it’s not just New York. More than 350 U.S. state and local elected officials from nearly every state signed a letter during the Paris climate conference calling for 50 percent clean energy by 2030 and 100 percent clean energy by 2050.

Today, San Diego, California’s city council is voting on a proposed plan to get 100 percent of its energy from renewable sources by 2035. It’s expected to pass. Vancouver, Las Vegas and other major cities around the world want to go 100 percent renewable, too. Hawaii pledged to go 100 percent renewable by 2045—the most ambitious standard set by a U.S. state thus far. Several other islands, including Aruba, Belize, St. Lucia, Grenada, the British Virgin Islands, the Bahamas, Turks and Caicos, and San Andres and Providencia have pledged to go 100 percent renewable, as well, through the Ten Island Challenge, created by Richard Branson’s climate group the Carbon War Room.

Several countries around the world have hit impressive benchmarks for renewables in just a few short years. And many places have already made the transition to fossil-fuel-free electricity. Samso in Denmark became the world’s first island to go all in on renewables several years ago. Most recently, Uruguay, three U.S. cities—Burlington, Vermont; Aspen, Colorado; and Greensburg, Kansas—along with Kodiak Island, Alaska, have all made the transition.

Greenpeace and researchers at Stanford and UC Berkeley have laid out plans for every state in the U.S. to adopt 100 percent renewables and a Greenpeace report published in September posits the world can achieve 100 percent renewable energy by 2050. Mark Jacobson, one of the researchers from Stanford, said the barriers to 100 percent clean energy are social and political, not technical or economic.

The International Energy Agency released a report in October that found a quarter of the world will be powered by renewables by 2020. And a report from the International Renewable Energy Agency found that the transition to a sustainable energy future by 2030 is “technically feasible and economically viable.”


edpell SAYS:
The NY town completely off grid is BS. It has been cloudy for the last two months here in New York. Their dump better make lots of methane. They make no mention of storage. Since they are disconnected they can not use the grid for backup.

It is complete BS. They will discover how expensive it will be to go it alone. My guess $0.80/KWh versus grid rate of $0.08/KWh. If they can get low rate loans. 

Listen carefully, Edpell. When you come here to post, you will provide a substantive argument for your allegations. You have not done that. You have, instead, used the term "BS" TWICE, along with the pejorative descriptive adjective (in this particular case) of "complete".

First of all, any methane harvesting technique, BY DEFINITION, can provide smoothing of grid demand when other renewable energy from wind and solar is not available. So they did not need to even mention storage, although they probably will get the Tesla powerwall versions for residents or the larger version Musk is marketing for businesses and factories.

Your "guess" of $0.80/KWh versus grid rate of %0.08/KWh is disinformation. Even when I lived at Syracuse, New York in the 1980's the grid rate was ALREADY $0.11/KWh. It's a LOT more than that now. And the mix of renewable energy that you claim will cost $0.80/KWh is grossly in error.

Not only will 100% renewable energy for Nassau be doable in the projected timeframe, but it will be CHEAPER than the fossil fuel industry CRAP they are forced to buy now.

Before you try to call "BS" on what I just wrote, you had better read the details about solar, the most expensive, relatively speaking, of the renewable energy mix including methane and wind - but still MUCH cheaper than fossil fuels! 


As to wind, that has, with 50,000 plus wind turbines now up and running in the USA, PROVEN to generate energy at LESS than $0.08/KWh.

Vermont is using what it calls "cow power", along with wind, solar and hydro, to make the transition. Green Mountain Power charges $0.18/KWH for methane generated renewable energy to those customers who want to pay it. The normal retail rate is $0.15/KWH here in Vermont and it is already generated from, at least in Colchester, over 70% renewable energy.

In Vermont, our days are every bit as cloudy as Nassau's, but we are already using solar power extensively BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER than fossil fuel dirty energy, in addition to environmental concerns.

I am patient with people that simply disagree respectfully. I have no patience for hyperbole, disinformation and fallacious debating techniques.

It is clear that you are misinformed about the actual costs of renewable energy. You owe me an apology.
Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:
For the Lord will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them. Pr. 22:22-23


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