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AGelbert

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Re: Nuclear Power Industry Mendacious Propaganda
« on: June 20, 2014, 08:31:38 pm »
Nuclear WAR at Renewable Energy World: Continued    ;D

40 Comments

 Michael Keller   
 June 19, 2014 


So how's the "green" Kool Aid! You lads have really gone over the edge.


PJ van Staden   
 June 19, 2014


The adrenaline of going over the edge is even greener, thank you!
And thanx for leaving.



 A. G. Gelbert   
 June 20, 2014 


Michael Keller said, "Actually, the plants were Independent Power Producers. If the units were not profitable, we're out of business. "

Tell me Mr. Keller, what part of this REPORT by the Union of concerned Scientists do you not understand?
Report: "US Nuclear Power Still Not Viable without Subsidies"

(24 Feb 11) A new report entitled "Nuclear Power: Still Not Viable Without Subsidies", prepared on behalf of the Union of Concerned Scientists, provides a detailed review and quantification of subsidies to nuclear power in the United States. The report concludes that subsidies to the nuclear fuel cycle have often exceeded the value of the power produced. Subsidies to new reactors are on a similar path.


The analysis claims to catalog in one place and for the first time the full range of subsidies that benefit the nuclear power sector. Since its inception more than 50 years ago, the nuclear power industry has benefited-and continues to benefit-from a vast array of preferential government subsidies. Indeed, as the report shows, subsidies to the nuclear fuel cycle have often exceeded the value of the power produced. Subsidies to new reactors are on a similar path.

 The most important subsidies to the industry do not involve cash payments, the report concludes. Rather, they shift construction-cost and operating risks from investors to taxpayers and ratepayers, removing from investors an array of risks ranging from cost overruns and defaults to accidents and nuclear waste management. This approach has remained consistent throughout the industry's history, according to the report, which claims that market choices that would otherwise favor less risky investments are distorted as a consequence. Although it may not involve direct cash payments, such favored treatment is nevertheless a subsidy, with a profound effect on the bottom line for the industry and taxpayers alike.

 Link to full report

Executive summary

http://www.eceee.org/all-news/news/news_2011/2011-02-24b

Your gravy train of taxpayer theft is about to end, Mr. Keller. We-the-people kind of resent being fleeced for you "Independent" LOL! power producers.

PJ,
Thanks for your patience, persistence, fortitude and reasoned, fact based logical arguments. These creative accounts in the nuclear power plant taxpayer fleecing racket need to get reminded of their history of grand larceny as often as possible :>).

They should all be required to live within ONE MILE of a reactor they get "profits" from so they can learn first hand what those "irrelevant" costs are all about. :>)


joe richardson   
 June 20, 2014 


Mr Gelbert is absolutely right.     The nuclear industry has had virtually all of its costs transferred to the public via an assortment of sleazy means. And the worst part is the real long term costs wont be realized for generations.

If you could get an honest answer from the Japanese government id suggest asking them what they think it'll cost them for the failings of their nuclear plants.

Failings that are the direct result of human beings and low costs designs to save a dollar. What rocket scientist decided to put their back up generators anywhere near where a tidal wave could reach them??? This in an area that's suffered earthquakes and tidal waves for,,what,,a few hundred thousand years of verifiable geologic history???


No one should ever doubt that this sort of decision was made on the basis of money...Such folly and such lies and such greed.


Betcha they wish they had a few thousand windmills off their coast instead of these nuclear plants now!!


Michael Keller   
 June 20, 2014
 

You lads are mistaken.  ::)  I am not defending nuclear power.  I am stating that the competitive market place should fundamentally set power prices. Nobody should be given exclusive assistance not available to others. 

That means if somebody gets some form of help (e.g. accelerated depreciation  ::)) then everybody else gets the same advantage.

As to the Union of Concerned Scientists report, in their current form, new nuclear power plants are not particularly competitive. Make them more competitive or don't build new ones. Ditto for renewable energy.

Agelbert NOTE: RIGHT... In order for those of us without Orwellian vocabularies to understand what Mr. Keller MEANS BY "competitive" (and don't forget "particularly" - that's a GO-O-O-D ONE!  ;) ), You need to read some of MKing's "rational" inversions of CFS pushed as if that mindfork was the most natural thing in the world!

I say, these game theory "bright bulbs"   :emthdown: are rather slippery. 




 joe richardson   
 June 20, 2014


Mr Keller,
I finally agree with you, "the competitive market place should set power prices", "and nobody should be given exclusive assistance".

I'm not a rigid free market person but that's probably because, while a free market is a great sounding idea, I've never seen it practiced anywhere. Because someone or some industries are always trying to skew the process, and the nuclear, coal and oil industries have historically skewed the process in order to maintain their existence, and profits for a few.

It was the 1970's when we Americans woke up to our dependence on fossil fuels and first glimpsed this dependencies real costs. but we were blinded to the facts by the coal and oil companies and continued down the same road. .

Imagine what the world would be like today if we, and everyone else, had acted on this dependency then and pursued some level of self sufficiency in renewable energy instead of letting the fossil fuel industry skew our reality in order to maintain their profits. Imagine the savings just in the dirty little oil wars that have been waged.


 So,, ill still take windmills slowly turning in the breeze and solar panels soaking up rays any day, to avoid the total costs of fossil and nuclear fuels.   


http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/06/nuclear-giant-exelon-blasts-wind-energy#comm132630

Joe gets it! Soon he will figure out that WE DID TRY and WE HAVE tried to get off of fossil fuels since the 1930s!

At absolutely every juncture in the introduction of Renewable Energy sources from ethanol (killed by Rockefeller funded Prohibition 1920-1933) to Chemurgy (killed by big paper, big oil and the chemical giants including Du Pont and Dow Chemical) to building nukes when dams were orders of magnitude cheaper in the 1950s to PV crushed in the 1970s to Wind subsidies killed in the 1980s while tanker hull safety was delayed over ten years (contributing to the  Exxon Valdez mess) to global warming denial by the George C. Marshall institute of profit over planet lying, murderous sacks of **** from the late 1980s to the PRESENT, it was has been a 24/7 ATTACK on we-the-people's choices so we COULD NOT OBTAIN cheap renewable energy.

Part and parcel of this pack of lies is that  oil is presented as a valuable resource worthy of fight wars over for "national security" when it is a biosphere destroying liability.

National security? NO! Fossil Fueler Fascist Security and FREEDOM to BUY our government and keep those God Damned "subsidies" in place! Are we having fun yet? Are you tired of playing "catcher" for the energy oligarchs?

I've got chapter and verse on the energy rip off of a century with lots of dead people from unnecessary wars and lots of totally unnecessary and massively harmful pollution FOR WHAT!!??  To make a SUCKER out of you and me and steal democracy (what little we have) from us in the process.

Details at the Renewable Revolution Forum. Just do a search in the forum with any of the terms above.


Renewable Revolution
 


Here's the NUGGET of TRUTH from this peer reviewed book that will convince you that we have been suckered BIG TIME if you don't want to dig up the info on all the above in my forum:
Quote
Dilworth (2010-03-12). Too Smart for our Own Good (pp. 399-400). Cambridge University Press. Kindle Edition.

"As suggested earlier, war, for example, which represents a cost for society, is a source of profit to capitalists. In this way we can partly understand e.g. the American military expenditures in the Persian Gulf area.

Already before the first Gulf War, i.e. in 1985, the United States spent $47 billion projecting power into the region. If seen as being spent to obtain Gulf oil, It AMOUNTED TO $468 PER BARREL, or 18 TIMES the $27 or so that at that time was paid for the oil itself.

In fact, if Americans had spent as much to make buildings heat-tight as they spent in ONE YEAR at the end of the 1980s on the military forces meant to protect the Middle Eastern oil fields, THEY COULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE NEED TO IMPORT OIL from the Middle East.
So why have they not done so? Because, while the $468 per barrel may be seen as being a cost the American taxpayers had to bear, and a negative social effect those living in the Gulf area had to bear, it meant only profits for American capitalists. "
Note: I added the colored graphics and font size changes and the bold caps emphasis on the barrel of oil price, money spent in one year and the need to import oil from the Middle East.

This totally unjustified profit, never mind the needless lose of lives, then increases the power of the fossil fuel corporations to perpetuate a biosphere harming dirty fuel status quo. How? By "funding" politicians with rather large "donations" to keep renewable energy from competing with dirty energy.

Pass it on. The Democracy you save may be your own...




Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life. Pr. 13:12

 

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