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Title: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 17, 2017, 05:17:40 pm
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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 17, 2017, 06:18:55 pm
What do people mean when they say: THE END TIMES (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6656.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1730.gif) ???

For those who wish to know what, exactly, the "End Times" mean to a bible Believing Christian, it is not difficult to summarize.

When Christ incarnated into human form around 2000 years ago, the End Times officially began. This is known as the 70th "week" according to the Book of Daniel. The End Times culminate with what is known as the Great Tribulation of 7 years duration.

After that, there is a Theocratic Rule by Jesus Christ on the physical earth for about 1000 years, which ends with a big war and Satan removed from any human contact forever, along with the dematerialization of the physical universe (rolled up like a scroll). The replacement is just as physical, more permanent and, unlike our fallen universe, perfect.

For all practical purposes, the Body of Christ, otherwise known as the Christian Church (NOT to be confused with ANY organization with buildings called churches or temples labelling themselves as "Christian" - although there may or may not be members of the Body of Christ there) ends it's Holy Spirit guided ministry on earth at the time of the Great Tribulation.

Some believe the Church will be not be raptured and must go though the Great Tribulation. Others believe the Church will be raptured (taken to heaven bodily without going though physical death) immediately before the Great Tribulation begins. That is, the absence of the Church on earth (along with the Holy Spirit that guided it) allows Satan to put his man, the Anti-Christ, in charge.

I will discuss these different views and point to the scripture (section of the bible with quote and explanation) that argues the different points of view.

Any news or views related to the End Times that I come across will be posted here. Questions and comments are welcome. Criticize all you want, but do not engage in Ad hominem attacks. Those will be deleted. Respectful posting is sine qua non in this topic and in this thread.

We ARE in the END TIMES and have been in them for over 2000 years. I believe the prophecies in the Book of Daniel about the Anti-Christ and the Great Tribulation are about to be fulfilled.

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It is my duty as a Christian to warn people who are "Christian", in name only, that they are doomed if they do not stop the worship of materialistic prosperity that defames the Name of Jesus Christ.

I will have much more to say about the Laodicean Church type "Christians" as time goes by.

Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 22, 2017, 10:14:31 pm
Before any discussion of the End Times, it is important to obtain some background on the history of the King James Bible. 

History of The King James Bible: God's Perfect Word

https://youtu.be/eGwwScorP6w

Published on Sep 7, 2015


Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on September 02, 2017, 08:04:18 pm
End Times Prophecy includes Signs and Wonders. Although I am not certain, I am convinced that the massive environmental damage going on is evidence that we are in the End Times. This does not mean we are all supposed to ignore the criminal behavior of the polluters causing it. They belong in prison, not in corporate boardrooms or government.

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Photo NASA
It is an eery photo, the solar eclipse hovering over the deep south of the US as tropical storm Harvey aims for Texas, making landfall 8 days later causing unprecedented damage and record amounts of rainfall.


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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on October 30, 2017, 07:14:11 pm
The Soul(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817135149.gif)  Of The Trump Administration

https://youtu.be/w3aqxetYPnI

Thom takes a dark look into the Trump Administration's actions. How far will this go? A 10 year old is being detained... Really?

Thom Hartmann Oct. 27, 2017 4:30 pm

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Matthew 25:

41“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;

43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’

45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, in as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’

46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on November 23, 2017, 05:04:44 pm
https://nypost.com/2017/11/22/how-a-homeless-mans-selfless-act-changed-his-life/ (https://nypost.com/2017/11/22/how-a-homeless-mans-selfless-act-changed-his-life/)

How a homeless man’s selfless act changed his life

What a wonderful story... A genuine miracle.

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This is an example of a human that acted on principle, NOT on Maslow's hierarchy of selfish (SEE: Social Darwinsm) needs. The reason people like you and I find this sort of news heartwarming is because we understand, at a moral level, that this sort of behavior has merit that selfish, empathy deficit behavior does not.

The mockers are quick to claim we would all go broke if we behaved that way. That's hyperbole and a deliberate distortion of principled behavior to make it look like "irresponsible" behavior. The 'greed is good' crowd have been at that mendacious game since humans began to live in communities. Their mendacious claim, cleverly disguised as "prudent" advice, is, though they don't know it, Orwellian.

The fact is that achieving a society based on altruistic behavior is the only way that humanity will survive. This is the exact opposite of what the Social Darwinist Religionists believe.

Anybody with a lick of sense can see that human society is NOT getting better. Yet, most of those Social Darwinsits that point out the increasingly dangerous dysfunction of our society FLAT REFUSE to see the exact correlation between an increase in socially celebrated selfish behavior and the massive increase in social dysfunction.

I think I know why.

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Proverbs 14

30 A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.

31 He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker: but he that honoureth him hath mercy on the poor.
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on February 07, 2018, 02:25:47 pm
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2 Timothy 3:1-4

1 You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time.

2 People 🦀 will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy,

3 and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good.

4 They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God.

https://youtu.be/l_v1h6Zoi-Q

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FEB 06, 2018 TD ORIGINALS

A Country (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817135149.gif) Without a Heart

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In America, the almighty dollar 🦖 🦀 rules. Having a social conscience 🕊 is not part of the business model for most companies.


In 1972, Kurt Vonnegut covered the Republican National Convention in Miami Beach for Harper’s Magazine and wrote an essay about the experience, “In a Manner That Must Shame God Himself.”

According to Charles Shields, who wrote “And So It Goes: Kurt Vonnegut: A Life,” the title of the essay came from a flyer Vonnegut noticed that a group of Native Americans from various tribes were distributing at the convention. Part of the flyer read: “We come today in such a manner that must shame God himself. For a country that allows a complete body of people to exist in conditions which are at variance with the ideals of this country, conditions which daily commit injustices and inhumanity, must surely be filled with hate, greed, and unconcern.”

The same could be said about present-day America. In fact, during his reporting almost 50 years ago, Vonnegut, a master of irony, made another keen observation that applies today: “If I were a visitor from another planet, I would say … the two real political parties in America are the Winners and the Losers. The people do not acknowledge this. They claim membership in two imaginary parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, instead. Both imaginary parties are bossed by Winners. When Republicans battle Democrats, this much is certain: Winners will win.”

Vonnegut suggested that the “Winners’ 🦖 scheme … for lasting world peace 🦀” was simple: “Ignore agony.” (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png)

Full article:

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/country-without-heart/



Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on February 18, 2018, 07:06:43 pm
The Apocalypse and the End Times

By Archeologist Investigator Bob Cornuke  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

https://youtu.be/bfyUn6ZmQg4

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Published on Aug 26, 2016
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on February 18, 2018, 10:52:39 pm
The Book Of Revelation Animated Full Movie - King James Bible

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Published on Feb 18, 2016

The Book Of Revelation Animated Full Movie - King James Bible
BLESSED IS HE that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. Revelation 1:3
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on February 27, 2018, 06:44:16 pm
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February 21, 2018
How Billy Graham 🐉 Evangelized for American Empire 🦖

Rev. Billy Graham gave his blessing to every military conflict under every president, from Truman to Bush II - Cecil Bothwell writes

By Cecil Bothwell

SNIPPET:

Born on a prosperous dairy farm and educated at Wheaton College, Graham first gained national attention in 1949 when the publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst, searching for a spiritual icon to spread his anti-communist sentiments, discovered the young preacher holding forth at a Los Angeles tent meeting. Hearst (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png) wired his editors across the nation, “puff Graham,” (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png)  and he was an instant sensation.

Hearst next contacted his friend and fellow publisher Henry Luce (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817135149.gif) . Their Wall Street ally, Bernard Baruch (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191329.bmp), arranged a meeting between Luce and Graham while the preacher was staying with the segregationist Governor Strom Thurmond 🦀 in the official mansion in Columbia, S.Car. Luce concurred with Hearst about Graham’s marketability and Time and Life were enlisted in the job of selling the soap of salvation to the world. Time, alone, has run more than 600 stories about Graham.

The man who would become known as “the minister to presidents” offered his first military advice in 1950. On June 25, North Korean troops invaded South Korea and Graham sent Truman a telegram:

“MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS PRAYING GOD GIVE YOU WISDOM IN THIS CRISIS. STRONGLY URGE SHOWDOWN WITH COMMUNISM NOW. MORE CHRISTIANS IN SOUTHERN KOREA PER CAPITA THAN ANY PART OF WORLD. WE CANNOT LET THEM DOWN.”

It was the first time Graham encouraged a president to go to war, and with characteristic hyperbole: Korea has never topped the list of Christian-leaning nations. Subsequently, Graham gave his blessing to every conflict under every president from Truman to the second Bush, and most of the presidents, pleased to enjoy public assurance of God’s approval, made him welcome in the White House. Graham excoriated Truman for firing General Douglas MacArthur and supported the general’s plan to invade China. He went so far as to urge Nixon to bomb dikes in Vietnam—knowing that it would kill upward of a million civilians—and he claimed to have sat on the sofa next to G.H.W. Bush as the bombs began falling in the first Gulf War (though Bush’s diary version of the evening somehow excludes Graham, as does a White House video of Bush during the attack).

Full article:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=21188
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on March 09, 2018, 05:50:03 pm
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Christian Dominionists 😈 Meet at Trump's Washington Hotel to Answer the "Divine 😈 Call to War"

Friday, March 09, 2018

By Bill Berkowitz, Truthout | News Analysis

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Though they are not nearly as well known as Christian Right leaders, such as Jerry Falwell Jr., Franklin Graham and Robert Jeffress Jr., (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6869.gif) top Dominionist leaders  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png) like Dutch Sheets, Chuck Pierce, Cindy Jacobs and Lou Engle are a force worth paying attention to.

Those leaders, according to People for the American Way's Right Wing Watch, "are associated with the New Apostolic Reformation, which believes a triumphant, dominion-taking church 😈 will help bring about the return of Christ, and many are part of POTUS Shield 😈 , a network of self-described apostles 😈 and prophets 😈 who believe  ;) President Trump 🦀 was anointed by God to help bring that all about."

full article (bring your barf bag):

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/43793-christian-dominionists-meet-at-trump-s-washington-hotel-to-answer-the-divine-call-to-war (http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/43793-christian-dominionists-meet-at-trump-s-washington-hotel-to-answer-the-divine-call-to-war)

Agelbert NOTE: These people ARE NOT CHRISTIANS! The are pseudo-Christians that embody the Spirit of the ANTI-Christ in the USA. The Bible is VERY CLEAR about how you should treat people claiming to be brothers in Christ who's behavior evidences them as crooks and liars: You are not supposed to associate with them or even eat with them. The fact that these bastards worship Trump is evidence that they are not real Christians.
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on March 29, 2018, 08:31:08 pm
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Maranatha Singers

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 20, 2018, 02:46:24 pm
Can the Republic Recover from Donald Trump? (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php/topic,1279.msg153807.html#msg153807)

There will be a lot of pieces to put back together, all at once, when he is gone.


Can the Republic Recover from Donald Trump?
here will be a lot of pieces to put back together, all at once, when he is gone.

Yates asked the assembled: What is going to happen when this administration is finally, blessedly over? It is a very good question and there is no very good answer to it.

This is a rhetorical question. Yates, and Charlie Pierce both are smart enough to figure out the answer.

It isn't Trump that's the worst problem. At some point he will be gone. The real problem is that the worst of the worst Americans, the Kochs, have finally captured the Executive branch in the same way they have successfully captured the Congress and state government.  It's game over folks. Checkmate.

Will you vote for President Pence, or President Scott Walker?  Or maybe President Greg Abbott.  Maybe Bob McDonnell of Virginia will run, now that his several criminal convictions have been reversed. They all know where to get the money. America's good Christian community will support them all the way.

They will lower taxes for any unfortunate point O-1 Percenters still left with a tax bill. They will make it legal to mine for coal where your house sits. They will drill for oil in Coral Bay, and bomb Turkey.[/size]

The USA is a disguised military dictatorship. Military dictatorships are the worse kind of parasite on an economy. Their main products are death and pollution.

We are toast.

 
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You are absolutely correct AG. Because Trump and/or Clinton and/or Pence and/or any others that Eddie just named are merely symptoms of the lack of morals and integrity in this whole society which no longer is unified by any values but the worship of money and hedonism and selfishness. The entire world is being murdered and destroyed by these Satanists. They are Satanists because they are out to wallow in the destruction of everything even including themselves. Can God prevail? Or must he start over?

If God is God, then He/She/It cannot do anything but prevail. Most readers here at the Doomstead Diner either are atheists who disdain the "psychololigal weak minded crutch" of worshipping the Deity OR do not really give a fork as long as said Deity does not require worship and obedience to any moral code. The former claim to be "ethical".  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-220216203149.gif) Their only "ethics" based behavioral code is "might equals right" (Orwell lives!). The latter are an egotistical bunch that cannot, and will not, accept any constraints on their behavior by some uppity Deity that never asked them permission to be born into this plane of existence.

I KNOW that God IS God. I may never prevail, but God will prevail. Though for many years I was angrily frustrated about the lack of justice in human society, I now finally realize and accept the fact that no human has the mental equipment to question God's apparent lack of name takin' and ass kickin' on this planet.

Yeah, we've been trying to do that for a long, long time (see below).

Jeremiah 12 King James Version (KJV)

1 Righteous art thou, O Lord, when I plead with thee: yet let me talk with thee of thy judgments: Wherefore doth the way of the wicked prosper? wherefore are all they happy that deal very treacherously?

2 Thou hast planted them, yea, they have taken root: they grow, yea, they bring forth fruit: thou art near in their mouth, and far from their reins.


Jeremiah was thoroughly bent out of shape when he wrote this. The next few passages has him asking for God to slaughter the bad guys with all sorts of colorful blood and guts mayhem.

3 But thou, O Lord, knowest me: thou hast seen me, and tried mine heart toward thee: pull them out like sheep for the slaughter, and prepare them for the day of slaughter.

4 How long shall the land mourn, and the herbs of every field wither, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein? the beasts are consumed, and the birds; because they said, He shall not see our last end.


I've been there with that. Many readers here, whether they worship themselves or the Law of Conservation of Energy  ;D, also want to kill off all the bad guys.

True, blessed are those folks who hunger and thirst for justice. So, I will not judge harshly those who want to kill off all the bad people making life difficult to miserable for the rest of us.

Their logic is sound as long as there is no afterlife.

I firmly believe there is an afterlife. I firmly believe this portion of human existence is an embryonic proving ground.

What comes after is as different as a majestic Sequoia tree is from a tiny seed.

Due to the inherent limitations of  a seed versus a tree, I can understand why so many other seeds around here think I am full of horse poopy.

Another analogy to the self-limiting modus vivendi of these seeds is Plato's Cave. I've seen what's on the outside of that cave. Nothing that goes on inside the cave compares to it. The cynical wishful thinkers that firmly believe that this cave of shadow boxing baloney is all there is are DEAD wrong.

I used to be just like them. But I finally got to a place where the real water of life cleared things up for me.

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I still get depressed and I still rant about injustice, but I know all this is temporary. God IS God. I am not now, or ever will be, God. My job is to obey He/She/It, whether I like it or not. Seeds should never presume to know what it is like to be a Sequoia.
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 20, 2018, 07:08:42 pm
Thank you AG. For your time and your excellent reply. Lots to think about there, and I will. Thank you again.

You are welcome.

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 31, 2018, 12:14:50 pm
And Palloy doesn't get why I'm a bit conflicted by the current flavor of Christianity in the world. Evangelicals are completely delusional. Someone should tell them it's a small planet and that the Good News has already made it around the globe. The only people left to convert are the hungry people with no food. They'll listen to anything if you're buying dinner.

Everybody else already knows all about how God so loved the world that he sent white men with funny hair in private jets to fleece them for their spare change.

Preacher Asks Followers To Help Buy Fourth Private Jet For $54 Million

One would think that by the time you are buying your 4th private jet, you can afford it on your own; well in the case of US televangelist Jesse Duplantis, that's not the case: it turns out Jesse decided to share the burden of his newest toy with his followers, asking them to help fund his fourth private jet because Jesus "wouldn't be riding a donkey".

In other words, Jesse Duplantis said God had told him to buy a Falcoln 7X for $54 million.


And while according to BBC he was hesitant at first about the ridiculous purchase, when God told him "I didn't ask you to pay for it. I asked you to believe for it", all his doubts faded away.

While there have been similar ridiculous past requests by tele-evangelists, who pray on the stupid and the gullible, this particular appeal caused immediate controversy, and as noted by BBC, Twitter exploded with many users responding to the request with shock and disbelief, some quoting Bible verses warning against greed and "false prophets", or suggesting that the money could be better used to help the poor; others simply decided to slam the charlatan "preacher."

The belligerent responses, however, did not stop Duplantis: in a video address posted on his website, the 68-year-old explained: "You know, I've owned three different jets in my life, and I've used them and just burning them up for the Lord Jesus Christ.

"Now, some people believe that preachers shouldn't have jets. I really believe that preachers ought to go on every available voice, every available outlet, to get this Gospel preached to the world."

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Standing beside framed pictures of his current fleet, he said that the jet he bought 12 years ago was no longer sufficient for his ministry because he could not fly non-stop, meaning he had to pay "exorbitant" refuelling costs. And what god allows his preachers to have to deal with that...

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In another picture which appeared in the video, the preacher stands with the three aircraft, above the caption: "It's not about possessions, it's about priorities."

To be sure, Duplantis came prepared and justified his request by saying that Jesus had told people to "go into the world and preach the Gospel to every creature, now how we gonna do that? I can't live long enough to travel by car or by ship or by train, but I can do it by an aeroplane".

In retrospect, flawless logic, and we certainly understand his motivation: surely there will be enough idiots within his "flock" who defray the $54 million purchase price; but why the fixation with private Well, in 2015, Mr Duplantis appeared in a video with another preacher, Kenneth Copeland, in which Mr Copeland described travelling on commercial airlines as being "in a long tube with a bunch of demons".

Come to think of it, he may be correct.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-31/preacher-asks-followers-help-buy-fourth-private-jet-54-million (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-31/preacher-asks-followers-help-buy-fourth-private-jet-54-million)

Eddie, it gets better.  ;)

During the horrendous rains from Hurricane Harvey in Texas, a certain mega church prosperity preaching "Christian" (Palloy is right that anyone who doesn't walk the talk should not call themselves that without quotes) who never says ZIP about sin or sacrifice but just talks about lovey dovey and so on, REFUSED to open his church as a shelter for those flooded out. I don't remember that soul of perdition's name, but that is one the biggest "Christian" churches in the USA. So it goes.

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 31, 2018, 01:27:55 pm
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Eddie: And Palloy doesn't get why I'm a bit conflicted by the current flavor of Christianity in the world.

That is because you call them Christians, instead of "Christians", and you call yourself Christian as well, but you consider yourself different from them.  So it is very hard to understand what you mean.

All I am saying is "highest duty is to myself and my family" is NOT a Christian saying, it is a Bernaysian saying used by rich American fake Christians to justify their selfish deeds.


I said I was a Christian. I didn't say I was Jesus Christ.

Jesus said to "love your neighbor as yourself".

Neighbor. Get that, Commandante?

Like Jesus described, I practice my Christianity locally. When the die-off comes, if I'm still around, I expect I'll have plenty of opportunities to be a good Christian.

He didn't say:

"Seize the means of production, form a collective, and divide the proceeds so that the greatest good is accomplished for the greatest number."

or

"Blow up the Parliament with a keg of gunpowder to protest the oppression of the masses."


He did say (when pressed by some guys that remind me of you) "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."

I never said that putting myself and my family ahead of all the miserable starving people in the world was a Christian saying. It's the most simple law there is. The law of the jungle. If you don't think you're controlled by that law, you're crazy.


“On the day of the hunt I came to know in the slick center of my bones this one thing; all animals kill to survive, and we are animals. The lion kills the baboon, the baboon kills fat grasshoppers. The elephant tears up living trees, dragging their precious roots from the dirt they love....And we, even if we had no meat or even grass to gnaw, still boil our water to kill the invisible creatures that would like to kill us first. And swallow quinine pills. The death of something living is the price of our own survival, and we pay it again and again. We have no choice. It is the one solemn promise every life on earth is born and bound to keep.”


 


Eddie, you were raised in Texas with Christian doctrine and I was raised in Kansas with serious (walk the talk, not like most Catholics) Catholic doctrine.

Later on I went to an evangelical Christian church, learned sound doctrine, and observed while almost nobody followed it. They threw me out.  ;D
 
All of that is water under the bridge. You and I have seen first hand thoughout our lives how people cherry pick portions of the Gospel to suit their greed and their selfish needs.

That IS the issue with Chritianity. That is what causes so many people to walk away from these so-called "Christian" churches AND keeps a lot of Catholics in the fold, so to speak, because Catholicism focuses on the "we are all sinners and that's life" convenient cop out for egregiously routine sinful behavior with no attempt whatsoever to follow Chistian ethics, except with lip service.

Also, the nominal "Christian" evangelicals who claim they can party because it's all "under the blood" are in the exact same category of reprobates as most Catholics are.

What this teaching of Jesus Christ is all about, and as you know sticks in most people's craw, is that, without God's grace through the Holy spirit, you cannot walk the Christian talk.

Some people throw up their hands and say it is victim psychology and anyone with a minimum of pride and two brain cells to rub together should reject Christianity.

Yep, most people do that. And they DO THAT because human society celebrates the strength of human will, resolve, fortitude, and so on. It's important to have those qualities, but they are a stumblig block if they are the foundation of a person's personality. They MUST be secondary in the true Christian.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ makes it crystal clear that your will is not worth a tinker's damn. THAT really torques a lot of people who feel they can control their behavior and are ethical to the core. Well, they are full of pride, not ethics. They are fooling themselves (and a lot of other people too).

As humans, we can only judge the veracity or not of what people say they are with what they do. And even that is not totally reliable because sometimes people have a bad day and abuse those around them. So, we just try to get a general track record of what they do as it lines up, or not, with what they say.

BUT, we are NOT God. The instant we put ourselves in that role, as too many here routinely do, we are not going to be objective about what sinful behavior is and what it is not simply because God, by definition, DOES NOT SIN. At that point the person who fancies himself to "have the big picture", will use every bit of pretzel logic in existence from Machiavelli to Orwell to justify whatever he wants to do and condemn whoever he conveniently wants to condemn.

That's idolatry of the self. That is what most "Christians" in the USA DO. That is what atheist DO. That is what this country is all about! Christianity is a joke to most "Christians".

What God will do with this mess is His problem. My categorical imperative (apologies to Kant  ;D) as a Christian is to ask, each and every day, NOT what God can do for me, but what God wants me to do for Him. The INSTANT that God is not in the driver's seat of my decision making software, I am NOT a Christian, PERIOD.
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 31, 2018, 01:28:42 pm
Eddie, with all due respect, I think your definition of a nominal Christian requires quotes around the word "Christian".

A Christian does NOT EVER make money and economic prosperity his goal in life (See: SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD, and so on).

A Christian does NOT EVER support government action that murders foreigners in their lands for corporate profit.

A Christian does NOT EVER consider himself better than any other human being, of whatever religion or culture or skin color.

If you think a person can be a Christian and not behave as I just described, then you are confusing those reprobates who wear the label of "Christian" as a con to take people for a ride with a real Christian.
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 31, 2018, 01:57:56 pm
US barking up the wrong trade tree

And therein lies the cruelest twist of all. China is the US' low-cost provider of imported consumer goods. The Trump 🦀 deal would shift the Chinese piece of the US' multilateral imbalance to higher-cost imports from elsewhere - the functional equivalent of a tax hike on US families. (https://i.imgflip.com/eghas.jpg) As Hoover's ghost might ask, what's so great about that?


What many Trump apologists fail to note is that NOTHING that Trump does is for the good of the "'Murkin pee-pul." It is for the good of Trump, his immediate family and his criminal grift and money-laundering enterprise. Cabinet members and hangers-on get to grab as much as they can for as long as they can as long as the window  remains open, and devil take the hindmost. The Russia investigation notwithstanding, a not corrupt Congress would have already impeached and convicted Trump, for emoluments clause violations alone. The scale of the corruption is truly staggering, making the Grant and Harding administrations look like so many convent devotees.

The rich will be just fine, as the rich are always fine. It is Trump's supporters who will find themselves further dispossessed and broke, and who will be encouraged to take out their ire on someone younger, browner, poorer. Fleece the rubes: Wash, rinse, repeat. It always works.
Yeah, I know. Here come the choruses of "Both-sides-do-it," "whataboutism," "but-her-emails," and "****."


Well said. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

However, I think the rich backers of Trump are effectively taking a long walk off a short pier. Yes, we will all go down together. Life on Earth is aptly named the valley of tears.

I am looking forward to life after this life. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-130418202709.png)

Some may say that is a defeatist attitude. I say, as a student of climate science and human history, the interminable hostility of greedy humans to each other and the continued, willful insane destruction of the biosphere 'seed corn' that allows human existence are behavioral problems can only be fixed by God modifying human nature so we ALL think altruistically, instead of greedily.

I don't see Him doing that any time soon.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-041115022304.png)


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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 31, 2018, 02:33:23 pm
Eddie, you were raised in Texas with Christian doctrine and I was raised in Kansas with serious (walk the talk, not like most Catholics) Catholic doctrine.

Later on I went to an evangelical Christian church, learned sound doctrine, and observed while almost nobody followed it. They threw me out.  ;D
 
All of that is water under the bridge. You and I have seen first hand thoughout our lives how people cherry pick portions of the Gospel to suit their greed and their selfish needs.

That IS the issue with Chritianity. That is what causes so many people to walk away from these so-called "Christian" churches AND keeps a lot of Catholics in the fold, so to speak, because Catholicism focuses on the "we are all sinners and that's life" convenient cop out for egregiously routine sinful behavior with no attempt whatsoever to follow Chistian ethics, except with lip service.

Also, the nominal "Christian" evangelicals who claim they can party because it's all "under the blood" are in the exact same category of reprobates as most Catholics are.

What this teaching of Jesus Christ is all about, and as you know sticks in most people's craw, is that, without God's grace through the Holy spirit, you cannot walk the Christian talk.

Some people throw up their hands and say it is victim psychology and anyone with a minimum of pride and two brain cells to rub together should reject Christianity.

Yep, most people do that. And they DO THAT because human society celebrates the strength of human will, resolve, fortitude, and so on. It's important to have those qualities, but they are a stumblig block if they are the foundation of a person's personality. They MUST be secondary in the true Christian.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ makes it crystal clear that your will is not worth a tinker's damn. THAT really torques a lot of people who feel they can control their behavior and are ethical to the core. Well, they are full of pride, not ethics. They are fooling themselves (and a lot of other people too).

As humans, we can only judge the veracity or not of what people say they are with what they do. And even that is not totally reliable because sometimes people have a bad day and abuse those around them. So, we just try to get a general track record of what they do as it lines up, or not, with what they say.

BUT, we are NOT God. The instant we put ourselves in that role, as too many here routinely do, we are not going to be objective about what sinful behavior is and what it is not simply because God, by definition, DOES NOT SIN. At that point the person who fancies himself to "have the big picture", will use every bit of pretzel logic in existence from Machiavelli to Orwell to justify whatever he wants to do and condemn whoever he conveniently wants to condemn.

That's idolatry of the self. That is what most "Christians" in the USA DO. That is what atheist DO. That is what this country is all about! Christianity is a joke to most "Christians".

What God will do with this mess is His problem. My categorical imperative (apologies to Kant  ;D) as a Christian is to ask, each and every day, NOT what God can do for me, but what God wants me to do for Him. The INSTANT that God is not in the driver's seat of my decision making software, I am NOT a Christian, PERIOD.


My best understanding of Jesus I gained not from Texas doctrine, but from reading Yogananda, who completely GOT Jesus, imho. He was so interested in trying to explain Jesus to Americans that he wrote two whole books about it, neither of whom ever got much attention.

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Was Yogananda a Christian? Specifically, did Yogananda believe that Jesus Christ was, and is, God? If not, Yogananda was focusing on the teachings, not the supernatural nature of grace and the action of the Holy Spirit. That is, again, the belief that humans can actually follow Christ's teachings by the force of their own "Godlike" will. Did Yogananda believe in Karma? Karma is a replacement for God's answer to sin without God. That is, quite frankly, a blasphemy if associated with Chritianity or Jesus Christ.

Gandhi, like you, said he liked Christianity (i.e. SOME, not all, of Christ's teachings) but wasn't too impressed with the unChristian behavior of Christians.

I respectfully, but totally, disagree with your definition of Christianity. Knarf, the Bhuddist, is quite Christian in his behavior towards fellow humans and the life forms around him. That does not make him a Christian.

Your behavior towards your neighbors is ethical and laudable, but that does not make you a Christian. I am sure Yogananda, if he lives still, is a principled human with laudable behavior. But as long he claims Jesus was not God, Yogonanda, like Gandhi, Knarf and you, is not a Christian. Monotheism is not negotiable in Christianity.
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 31, 2018, 02:42:09 pm
Christianity in the FSoA is defined by its Spokesmodels.

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They wear the label, but they need to be called "Christians", not Christians. There is NOTHING about those con artist front men for empire murder and mayhem that is Christian in ANY WAY! (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-130418202709.png)

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 31, 2018, 02:51:13 pm

Well said.

However, I think the rich backers of Trump are effectively taking a long walk off a short pier. Yes, we will all go down together. Life on Earth is aptly named the valley of tears.

I am looking forward to life after this life.

Some may say that is a defeatist attitude. I say, as a student of climate science and human history, the interminable hostility of greedy humans to each other and the continued, willful insane destruction of the biosphere 'seed corn' that allows human existence are behavioral problems can only be fixed by God modifying human nature so we ALL think altruistically, instead of greedily.

I don't see Him doing that any time soon.
 


I quite agree. WE are the pillow the rich will land on which the entire rotten edifice falls down.


That will be a mighty hard pillow.  The problem for the Rich is they won't be Rich after a collapse of the monetary system.

RE


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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 31, 2018, 09:00:15 pm
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I'm not sure you've actually heard my definition of Christianity. ... Profession of faith, Confession of sins, baptism of some sort.

That's a pretty unusual set of rituals.  As a non-Christian (baptised at birth) it is hard to take you to task over your definition of what Christianity is, but surely it has got to have something to do with believing in the rightness of what Jesus preached - "love your enemies as much as yourself", "turn the other cheek" and not to put yourself first all the time. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817121649.png) Given you think my hermit lifestyle is proof of something bad (not sure quite what) could you please explain that in plain language without citing someone else, without riddles, and without Amerikan slang.

Well, I think Palloy has hit the semantic nail right on the head. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png) I rarely agree with him, but he is right here.

Eddie, I am curious. Do you actually think the USA was EVER a Christian country? The Founding Fathers were deists, NOT Christians. Their pattern for government was the Roman Republic of the Roman Empire. They were imperialists from the word go. This country's beliefs are, and always have been, based on MIGHT EQUALS RIGHT, PERIOD.

Yes, the US is very much a Christian country and always has been.

The Founding Fathers were more educated, philosophically oriented, and generally perhaps a bit more enlightened than the rank and file citizens of the early days. We were greatly influenced by all the splinter group protestant religions that arose in Europe and then were brought here by those looking for a place to practice their various sectarian brands of Christianity without interference from the State.

They were mostly alike in that they were the high-guilt, sins-of-the-father-visited-on-the-son brand of hell-fire and damnation Christianity.

America forever is stained with the stiff-necked, self-righteous dogma of the Puritans. It is the Puritans I blame for much of what is wrong with our culture.


Guilt is the LAST thing Americans, especially the Founding Exploiters, have ever been known for. A people that wallow in guilt don't calmly go about conning the natives until they get enough power and population to kill them off, Eddie. Might equals Right is NOT Christian doctrine. NO, this country was never Christian in any way, shape or form, just like the Catholic church was never a Christian organization. So, I will disagree with you totally on that. This country is pagan to the core. The "Christian" thing was always a clever fig leaf to cover the ruthless greed of the elites AND the citizenry.

My best understanding of Jesus I gained not from Texas doctrine, but from reading Yogananda, who completely GOT Jesus, imho. He was so interested in trying to explain Jesus to Americans that he wrote two whole books about it, neither of whom ever got much attention.

Was Yogananda a Christian? Specifically, did Yogananda believe that Jesus Christ was, and is, God? If not, Yogananda was focusing on the teachings, not the supernatural nature of grace and the action of the Holy Spirit. That is, again, the belief that humans can actually follow Christ's teachings by the force of their own "Godlike" will. Did Yogananda believe in Karma? Karma is a replacement for God's answer to sin without God. That is, quite frankly, a blasphemy if associated with Chritianity or Jesus Christ.

Gandhi, like you, said he liked Christianity (i.e. SOME, not all, of Christ's teachings) but wasn't too impressed with the unChristian behavior of Christians.

I respectfully, but totally, disagree with your definition of Christianity. Knarf, the Bhuddist, is quite Christian in his behavior towards fellow humans and the life forms around him. That does not make him a Christian.

Your behavior towards your neighbors is ethical and laudable, but that does not make you a Christian. I am sure Yogananda, if he lives still, is a principled human with laudable behavior. But as long he claims Jesus was not God, Yogonanda, like Gandhi, Knarf and you, is not a Christian. Monotheism is not negotiable in Christianity.

Nice conversation and no hard feelings about a single thing on my part. I hope I didn't say anything you found offensive. I understand and respect your brand of Christian faith. And your works are substantial and speak for themselves.

Yogananda talked a lot about what he called Christ Consciousness. I'm not sure I can explain that very succinctly, although it makes sense to me.

I can't really say that I think he was a Christian... by your measure and by the New Testament, no, I don't think he was a Christian.

I'm pretty sure he did not ever undergo a baptism and confess his sins and accept Christ as I was taught was necessary.

Did he give his life to God? Yes. He very much did that. I recommend his autobiography. Steve Jobs, btw, was said to have given away many, many  copies to people, as he thought it was the most important book people could ever read.

I'm not sure you've actually heard my definition of Christianity. In my post above I repeated what many, many Christian ministers have said. Not just the church I grew up in, which was very fundie, but also every one of the other Christian churches I ever sat through a sermon in, which is quite a few. All protestant, however. They all agreed on the basics. Profession of faith, Confession of sins, baptism of some sort.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think just going through the motions means much. I agree that it does not. Many "Christians" are going through the motions. And Palloy is right, that many of them are brainwashed. But it isn't just TV. They're brainwashed in church too. That has become prevalent, unfortunately.


I've read quite a bit about "Christ consciousness". You will probably disagree, but it is based on a person using their OWN WILL to DO Christ and/or to "channel" the "ascended master" thing that Jesus has allegedly achieved. That does involve spiritual experience, but it is not the Holy Spirit doing the action in the person. So, any true Christian must reject it.

Sorry to be so frank, but, I was exposed to a lot of the New Age stuff before I finally gave myself to Christ. I am no spring chicken. I went through the whole reincarnation belief structure too and read several books about this amazingly logical karmic multi-life structure. I was attracted by the apparent balance  (i.e. hope for justice for all). Unfortuantely, the whole ball of metaphysical wax there revolves around the SELF, not God. It is 100% against everything that Christ taught.

The brainwashing done in the "Christian" churches, since (and long before) this country began, was, and is, exclusively for the purpose of suckering the rubes to conflate the National Flag with God so they will be willing to die for empire in wars. It has ZIP to do with Christianity.

The "hell and damantion" thing IS Christian, whether you and I and Yogananda like it or not. ;)  BUT, if that pack of lying preachers had actually believed in Hell and Damnation as punishment for evil behavior, they would not have trained Americans to love money and do whatever necessary, including "God" approved murder and mayhem in other countries, to GET IT!

Sure, every other country from Spain to England to France to Italy to Russia to Germany (e.g. Gott Mit Uns!) has pulled the same con on their people. That does NOT make it Christian. That just proves that religion was hijacked in the propaganda service of the warmongering state! The problem is the STATE, not the Christian Faith.

You are fond of lambasting that war promoting propaganda effort everywhere else but you think it is some kind of simple con game to get money out of people in the "Christian" churches? It goes WAY BEYOND THAT! And, you know it. Lambast away at those Texas megachurches! They deserve to be burned to the ground and every crooked "Christian" pastor forced to give back all the money they conned out of the rubes. All I ask is that you use quotes around the word "Christian" when you speak of those devils.

Eddie, I don't have a "brand" of Christianity. You are free to call it that but I hasten to add that the basic tenets of the Christian Faith require worshipping God. That's the one, the only, God. That is not some monist "we are all one and we are actually worshipping ourselves" concept. Monism is basphemy.

My major complaint with these discussions with you is that you refuse to make a distinction between Christians and "Christians" behaviorwise, never mind the Heinz 57 number of excuses for "Christianity" out there. You claim this fellow Yogananda really understood Jesus. Well, I am CERTAIN that he rejected absolutely everything Jesus Christ said about Hell and Damnation. A person can't claim to know Jesus Christ and reject His rather frequent warnings of "outer darkness" and such for those who rejected His teachings by replacing Divine punishment with some Karma mechanism. That's just more cherry picking the Gospel for convenience.

Yogananda never served God if he believed in Karma, no matter how righteous his behavior was. Works without Faith are as empty as Faith without Works.

We can go back and forth forever defining either the Christian TALK (doctrine, rituals, etc.) and/or the Christian WALK (respect for our neighbors and daily submission to God's will through prayer) but it is clear that I can never convince you that the WALK MUST accompany the TALK for a person to be a Christian. 

So, believe what you will. May God guide your thoughts, words and deeds, Amen. (https://lh6.ggpht.com/sw_iT7GZASdAYeiecsZEHJE-EgDhdK2rCWUzZOJS0OFiGpoi9qn8iMH2nuXHgWg2PA=h900)
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on June 01, 2018, 03:00:28 pm
Eddie said:
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Ah, we've gotten around to the core message. I read you loud and clear Cap'n.

What does "Love thine enemies" mean to you?  What specific behavior is involved? That's where Palloy misses the boat when he comes down so hard on me. You're missing it too.

To me it doesn't mean that I can literally make myself instantly treat an adversary like my brother. There's a reason somebody is my adversary. It didn't happen in a vacuum. They are my adversary because they did something to me, or are causing me some kind of grief. They're maybe still doing it.

But "love thine enemies" means I need to give them a big hug the next time I see them and say, "Hey, you've been a major prick, but I love you cuz Jesus sez"......

I doubt the real capacity for most humans to do that if they were REALLY trying. It isn't likely to ever happen on a Federation planet.

"Love thine enemies", to me means something different from that..

To me, love thine enemies extends to putting myself in the enemies' place and trying realize maybe they have legitimate reasons for whatever they're doing that negatively impacts me. Understanding that they're fallible and human and that I'm not perfect, and maybe I should try to see it from their side.

THAT, I can do. And I do. Who says I don't?

The scripture does not indicate this person is not going to be my enemy anymore.

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"Turn the other cheek." That one has several possible meanings, according which religious authority you accept, actually. Ancient metaphors are easily misunderstood. Especially in translation from dead languages. Blessed are the cheese makers.

You ones all see things black and white. It's all so simple. Must be nice
That's a rather harsh judgement, sir. I have the Hebrew Greek study bible and get HEAVY into the orignial words to see if I can figure out the cultural mindset of the writer at the time. Yes, GOOD and EVIL are 100% black and white to me. That is irrelevant to proper interpretation of Scripture and does not interfere with my analytical mental faculties. For example, most "Christians" believe that the Commandment to "Honor thy father and thy mother" means you must obey their every wish. Obedience has NOTHING to do with that. As Jesus made rather clear, it's about taking economic and physical care of your parents in their old age. You and I know that children were (and in some places still are) the social security and retirement pension for humans back then. Jesus was accutely aware of how hypocrites mistreated their aged parents while claiming to be men of God. He called them out on it and many other examples of Mammon worshipping evil behavior.

But, people who find it uncomfortable to get past 1st grade Sunday school (i.e. most American "Christians") cannot be bothered with such realities. Providing sustenance for aged parents is TOTALLY different from observing obedience to their wishes. The "Honor" in that Commandment is where the word "Honorarium" came from that the lawyers came up with to fleece their clients.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png)

As to your other points, I basically agree. The point of contention you and I have has to do with the source of our decision making mental and spiritual software, not what good Christian behavior is.

My Christianity has been tainted by lots of subversive influences.  Tantra. Taoism. Astrology. Past Lives. Karma. Dharma. LSD. Peyote. Mushrooms. Meditation.

All kinds of unsubstantiated hocus pocus. I'm a spiritual sponge. I soak it all up and when I dry out there is a little bit of all of it still inside me. It is as it is supposed to be. That's my faith.

I have no hope of influencing you in any positive way, or of convincing you that my belief system has any merit, or that anything in the world of spirituality is correct besides your limited personal interpretation of Jesus's message as perceived by a nosebleed Type One.

But I won't willingly stand by and listen to you badmouth me. You aren't qualified to do that, and I won't allow it.

You don't hold the moral high ground here that you erroneously assume that you do. You have your own work to do, and it's late in the game for you. You should worry less about my **** and more about your own ****.


This is the only comment I'll make on this thread, because it is prima facie absurd. Reminds me of the old rock tune with the lyric, 
"My girl is red hot, your girl ain't doodle squat..." except substitute "God" for "girl." A POV underpinning every pointless squabble on the face of the earth.

This resonated for me:

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I'm a spiritual sponge. I soak it all up and when I dry out there is a little bit of all of it still inside me. It is as it is supposed to be. That's my faith.

Our faith tempered by experience makes us who we are. Seems self-evident to me.

Not sure I get your POV either. I didn't mean it the way you took it, that's for sure. If I had to rephrase what I meant, it would be :

"I have my own belief system. It's  a hodge-podge made up of many influences. But it's mine, it's legitimate, and I won't listen to some really ignorant and judgmental jerk try to take it apart.

Better?

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but Surly's point is 100% valid in regard to this subject. I think what Surly is trying to say is as follows:

When discussing the term, "Christianity", different people get a totally different picture in their heads. For example, a fighter pilot gets a picture of a fighter plane when he hears the word, "F16".

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But, a photographer gets a totally different picture in his head when he hears the word, "F16".

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All that said, you and I pretty much understand each other. I think that Works without Faith are as empty as Faith without Works. You think that's for the guilt ridden. 

I don't understand your hangup with guilt. For the life of me, I don't feel any particular guilt for having a fallen nature. I was born with it. You and Yogananda, however, eschew all that "fallen nature" business. Sir, that is so basically UNChristian it boggles the mind that anyone could reject the Biblical teachings about human fallen nature, the ONLY reason Christ had to die for us, and claim to be Christian.

Nevertheless, I understand that your "F16" is rather different from my F16. When we die, that issue will be cleared up permanently. (http://dl7.glitter-graphics.net/pub/2046/2046807qoer9uc27q.gif)

The Book of James makes it rather clear that the cornerstone of Christianity is Faith, even before the admonition that good works MUST accompany Christian Faith. Good works come forth only if the person actually lives their Faith.

Good Works without Christian Faith are laudable, but they are not in any way related to Chritianity. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-130418202709.png) Verse 18 is often taken out of context to make the case that the bottom Christian line is WORKS, as many New Age folks claim. Capter 2: Verse 22 begins to clear that up. Then, verse 24 makes it crystal clear that Faith (see: "only") is a sine qua non Christian precondition to  Good Chrisitian Works.

The following is sine qua non to being a Christian (Agelbert's F16 WITHOUT QUOTES (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png)):

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James 2:14-26 New King James Version (NKJV)

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


To Agent Graves:
Thank you for changing your icon.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png) (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185701.png) Now I feel free to read your posts.

I am certain you view my stuffed shirt prude outlook as a weakness. You are right. I do what I can. Welcome to the Doomstead Diner. Here you will have a front row seat on the collapse of industrial civilization. Most of us here feel it is baked in (pun intended ;)).

RE,
You know that I hunger and thirst for justice as much as anybody else. I have skills that make me a very, very potentially dangerous person. As to being as evil as you can possibly be, I probably take the prize here for past thoughts that, thankfully, I never had the opportunity to carry out. Jesus said that if you THINK approvingly and willfully of doing something (e.g. adultery) you have already committed that sin.

Well, sin covers a lot of behavioral ground. As an Intelligence Operations Specialist, while in training at Lowry AFB, Colorado in 1967, I prepared a bombing run as an exercise to destroy two major airfields in Hanoi, Noth Vietnam. I went to Bombing Encyclopedia (a LARGE document prepared by the USAF with the radar signature of EVERY CITY in the world - including US cities (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png)) and looked up the included nuclear weapon yield. After doing some math, I realized that two nukes with smaller yelds would do more damage than one big one. Besides, B52s could carry the slightly smaller ones easier. If that mission had taken place, I would have shared the responsibility for killing over one million people plus animals and foliage, followed by horrendous misery and death for hundreds of thousands others within a year or so. Yeah, it was just an exercise. BUT, I can tell you right now I would have carried it out without batting a BRAINWASHED eyelid.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png)

Paul ain't got nuttin' on me. I am the CHIEF among sinners. So, I have a LOT to be grateful for by Jesus Christ coming into my life. I know how to fly the big jets too. I am confident that I will never use my dastardly skills to kill. But you never know. Being a Christian is a daily struggle, not for the feint of heart. I am NOT a nice guy. My good works behavior and willingness to forego revenge for the evil visited on me an many fellow humans for Christ is the result of God's grace, PERIOD.
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on June 02, 2018, 07:47:49 pm
I had trouble with the sunday school conception of Christianity since i started asking these questions and being reprimanded for it in the 1st grade.

1. Jimmy Swaggart goes to heaven and Ghandi goes to hell.

2.Being born into abuse/starvation or being born to billionaires is as random as advantageous mutation in the theory of evolution.

3. No explanation of where human souls went prior to Jesus life.

4. No explanation of where souls go after 33AD but before hearing the gospel that they are sinners and the white people killing their fellow natives and taking their land are actually good and doing them a favour by replacing their evil religions.

5.No explanation of why Jesus did not expressly forbid war and conquest in his name if he is an all knowing God and knew this would happen.

6. No explanation of where the seperate God resides, now that we have orbited and photgraphed the earth from space, so scriptural 'on the clouds' is unstisfactory.

7. No explanation of Jesus absence age 12 to 30.

8. No explanation of why 3 men from the east who would hold wrong beliefs were present at the first Christmas instead of at least reps from Gods chosen people.

9. No explanation of why the 3 men from the east were "wise", if they represent the sort of wrong teaching the Beatles travelled to India for.

10. Jesus said he would return soon, 2000 years ago.

These need to be answered from the words of Jesus or direct scripture, not post hoc theology.

As to that point about the Puritan belief permeating America as a Christian country, I hope a uniform of authoritah is better than bathing suits on a boat.

Nice post. All kids with a brain ask those questions when they grow up in a fundamentalist authoritarian religious church. They generally go unanswered, and that's one reason why thinking people tend to drift away as they get out from under the thumb of their parents and church elders.

There are answers to questions like that.

For one thing, the Christianity practiced in churches, by and large, is a very twisted and perverted version of the real thing. At least somebody like Palloy, who seems to have avoided real Bible study (to his benefit), can grasp Jesus' basic message. The more clap trap that gets added to the mix, the more difficult that gets.
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
The rest is commentary.

Seen any mustard trees?

The "mustard seed" is the Gospel of Jesus.  Mustard plants normally are knee-high weeds.  For it to grow as large as a tree requires a miracle.  That's because it has become a mutant.  But the point of that is to protect it from dying out.  In the final harvest, the wheat (those who truly follow Jesus, see #1 and #2 above) will be separated from the chaff (those who just took the form of Christianity).


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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on June 02, 2018, 10:08:16 pm
Golden Oxen, if you actually believed that hell existed, you would not repeat your TOO OFTEN repeated braggadocio about how rich you are and how all of us "saints" will get our "reward in heaven" while you "end up in Hell".

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Yeah, that's true. BUT, YOU DON'T BELIEVE A WORD OF IT!

Golden Oxen does not like to have his life style questioned (see below):

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Your correct Agelbert, I don't believe there is a hell for people who do not want to spend their life and their families being poor.

Nor a heaven for those who became poor through drugs and boozing and partying.

                                                                        Nice talking to you Anthony,  GO   
                       

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How cleverly reductionist of you. Cut the bullshit, GO. You don't have ANY conditions on your NONbelief in the existence of Hell or Heaven. Your vulgar, empathy deficit disordered stereotype demonising of the poor is typical of your rather limited empathy for disadvantaged people, none of which have abandoned their family or partied, but have been subjected to social injustices you deliberately pretend are not there. Your clever positioning of your greed based life style as "worthy" of Heaven because you are "just taking care of your family", not worshipping your STUFF while you rationalize that those who have it "deserve" it and those who don't have it "deserve" not to have it.

THIS is your Hell deserving religion, Mr. Golden Oxen:

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"Capitalist ideology claims that the world is perfectly ordered and everybody is in their place (i.e. everybody gets what they deserve). This self legitmating aspect of Capitalism is Socially Catastrophic. This is the Victorian view of the world." Rob Urie - Author " Zen Economics"

Sir, you don't believe there is a hell, PERIOD. If you did, you would not routinely work so hard to earn a place there. Have a nice day.
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on June 11, 2018, 06:11:53 pm
They're 👹 Not Even Trying to Hide It Anymore (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21271456/supreme-court-ohio-voter-purge/)

Yep.  :(

The racist bastards never stop doing what they do. As they get more confident of their power, they become more in-our-faces about brazenly doing what those evil bastards have ALWAYS done since ancient times, when they could get away with it.


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There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.

There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.

There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

Proverbs 30:12-14

Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on August 18, 2018, 08:33:43 pm
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2 Timothy 3:1-5 King James Version (KJV)

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Child Abuse, the Catholic Church and the Justice of Real Consequences (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-130418202709.png)

August 18, 2018

William Rivers Pitt, Truthout: Due to the actions of the institution’s leadership and the priests who have committed unfathomable crimes against children, Catholic churches in the United States have surrendered their moral right to remain in operation until this matter is resolved down to the last detail, the last victim and the last collaborator. At long last, it is enough.

Full EXCELLENT article:
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https://truthout.org/articles/child-abuse-the-catholic-church-and-the-justice-of-real-consequences/
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on August 29, 2018, 01:24:21 pm
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Agelbert NOTE: There is a special place in Hell for world class hypocrites like "Dr." James Dobson, who once fooled me into believing he was a brother in Christ. :(

The hypocrisy of white evangelicals


By Renée Graham GLOBE COLUMNIST  JULY 24, 2018

WHEN THEN-PRESIDENT Bill Clinton (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png) lied in 1998 about an affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky, Christian extremist James Dobson  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png) declared it was “foolish to believe that a person who lacks honesty and moral integrity is qualified to lead a nation and the world!” Under Clinton, Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, warned that America was facing “a profound moral crisis.”

Fast-forward two decades. We’re chest deep in a profound moral crisis, and every other kind of crisis you dare imagine. Yet, like most of his fellow evangelicals, Dobson is as silent as a church mouse about the White House’s current occupant, a man (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817135149.gif) who breaks at least three of the Ten Commandments every day.



Never underestimate the hypocrisy (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-040718162655-14231561.gif)(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-190318152544.png) of white evangelicals. (http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1375371542_tumblr_m7jevgcaFm1qzqdem.gif)
 

With his multiple marriages and affairs, penchant for grandiose lies, and general indifference to normal adult behavior, President Trump(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png) should represent what white evangelicals claim to despise.

Instead, he received 81 percent of their vote, and their support is unfailing. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-210818163125-16731933.gif) (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817122018.gif)

It’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than to find any evangelical handwringing about whether Trump’s (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-270117175421.png) moral turpitude renders him unfit to govern. (https://allthoughtsworkoutdoors.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/p9047017-030close-up.jpg)

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/07/24/the-hypocrisy-white-evangelicals/grOuIwWqPrmmllAbnd6JSL/story.html

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on October 10, 2018, 04:34:21 pm
Donald Trump (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-270117175421.png) and the prosperity (http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Spiele/smilie_game_017.gif)(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png)gospel

Robert Harrington (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-120818185037-16412296.gif) | 12:12 pm EDT October 10, 2018

Palmer Report » Analysis

When last year CNN fired sometime commentator and full time religious studies scholar Reza Aslan for tweeting that Donald Trump was a “piece of s h i t,” one was left to wonder if it was because he employed a profanity in describing the President of the United States, or merely because he committed the journalistic heresy of stating the obvious. Whichever it was, one cannot also help but wonder if CNN knew not what it did. For it was also about that time that Aslan put his perspicacious finger on the not-so-obvious reasons why “the Donald” has gathered unto himself so rabid a following, and how, after all this time, that following appears to have remained bafflingly loyal.

The good news is the aforementioned following we are concerned with here is at least confined to the pulpits and pews of white fundamentalist Christians. Were it not for Aslan, the question of why Trump should gain such popularity with such a group might remain an ostensible head scratcher. But for this recipe for Dragon Stew, Aslan actually provides us with a plausible dragon: Donald Trump is a religious cult.

That cult comes compliments of something called “the prosperity gospel.” The idea goes that the more righteous a man is, the more God blesses him with material wealth. Trump’s ostentatious trappings of wealth are the obvious proof that God must think Trump a pretty groovy guy.

Some of the cynical among us noticed that “the prosperity gospel” started to appear right around the same time that the dorsal fins of the big-haired, Rolex-wearing televangelists started to cut the water. Mansions needed sanctification, luxury cars and private jets required the consecration of Elijah’s chariots of fire. The prosperity gospel gave the perfect fit.


“But none of this … explains the most important phenomenon about white evangelicals in America,” Aslan says, “and that is this: In the span of a single election cycle, white evangelicals have gone from being the group in America that is most likely to say that a politician’s morality matters to the group that is now least likely to say that.”


In other words, the cult of personality surrounding Donald Trump has managed in a single election cycle to convince good people that doing bad things is okay. The last time we witnessed a phenomenon like that was when a community of Americans settled in a little regarded country called Guyana led by a little known evangelical named Jim Jones. This time the stakes are much, much higher.

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https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/prosperity-gospel-donald-trump/13333/

Agelbert NOTE: The Heretical Doctrine of Demons called "Prosperity Preaching" (a principle tenet of the Antinomian Christian Heretical teaching), that the pseudo-Christians in the USA are enthralled with, is thousands of years old.

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an·ti·no·mi·an
[an-ti- noh-mee- uhn]

NOUN

a person who maintains that Christians are freed from the moral law by virtue of grace as set forth in the gospel.

I have a deceased brother-in-law who worshipped monetary wealth above any Christian duty to help the disadvantaged and poor of this world. He thought it was A-OKAY to be GREEDY, as his wife (my sister, also a Mammon worshipping Pseudo-Christian) still, unfortunately for her, does.

In the Epistle II Peter in the New Testament, Peter addresses the Antinomians who claimed to be Christians. These Heretics were defined by their insistance that it was okay to sin to get more money and wantonly engage in just about any worldly lust they wanted to engage in based on a deliberate twisting of the Holy Scripture (SEE Paul: "We are saved by Grace, not works"). 

Peter makes it crystal clear that claiming to be a Christian and chasing money, comfort, power and the lusts of the flesh is HERESY. Anyone practicing it is doomed to perdition, period.

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II PETER 2: 17-22

17  These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18  For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean [5] escaped from them who live in error. 19  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on October 17, 2018, 11:00:52 pm
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SNIPPET:

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earlofhuntingdon says:
October 17, 2018 at 11:18 am
Yep, more wishing from lawyers for Trump, hoping that a troubling prosecution will go away.  The meme also serves to distract the Don about how this will all go away by the end of the week/month/Friedman unit.  Giuliani has been peddling that s h i t for months.

Nothing’s “going away” if Mueller announces a series of indictments. That just turns the heat on the Trump frying pan.

This relates to the question the MSM seems to be breathlessly asking itself:  Why is Trump making this mid-term election about him?

Does the MSM have the same vacant memory as Donald Trump?  Everything is about Trump, just as the Kavanaugh “win” was all about his intervention.  Donald Trump could not permit an election to be about anything but him.  It occupies the press for months.

He needs to frame the issues, too.  Just as he needs to distract from the fact that he cannot do the job he endlessly campaigns for, but makes money from.  That would include the opportunity to raise mountains of “campaign” cash.

The press just noting the dollar amounts raised adds no value.  What would add value would be investigative reporting on whose coffers it ends up in and what it’s spent on.  Such as painfully expensive criminal defense lawyers for close associates of Donald J. Trump.


Lee says:
October 17, 2018 at 7:50 pm
“Everything is about Trump, just as the Kavanaugh “win” was all about his intervention.  Donald Trump could not permit an election to be about anything but him.”

It has always interested me how so many people who think of themselves as Christian could miss the overwhelming resemblance of Donald J Trump (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817135149.gif) to every biblical and theological description of the Devil, as someone who wants to dominate the whole universe, to be the center of everything.  It brings to mind the words of C.S. Lewis’s character Screwtape, a demon writing to his nephew Wormwood about their war against God:  “We want cattle who can finally become food; He (God) wants servants who can finally become sons. We want to suck in, He wants to give out. We are empty and would be filled; He is full and flows over. Our war aim is a world in which Our Father Below has drawn all other beings into himself: the Enemy wants a world full of beings united to Him but still distinct.”

I can’t think of a more apt personification of “our Father Below” than Donald Trump.  Just FWIW.
 

Read more:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/10/17/on-corey-lewandowskis-big-legal-bills-and-muellers-deadline-from-rosenstein/

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on October 18, 2018, 05:15:13 pm
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The Terrible Trump Portrait That Explains Everything

October 18, 2018

William Rivers Pitt, Truthout: The legacies of Nixon (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-250718205137.gif), Reagan 🐉 and W. Bush 🦕 combine to tell a long, sorry tale of corruption, greed, brazen lies, abused power and religious fundamentalism gone (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png) wild that put us where we are today. Remove any one of those men from the strange painting that lit up the internet on Monday, and Donald Trump (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/styles/renewablerevolution/files/780_9adc777a0e08428257b76ece69d18ee52006bb5e39d60d966bb2440d29d17641.jpeg) would be just another late-night punchline you slept through, again.

Read the Article: (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-130418200416.png)

https://truthout.org/articles/the-terrible-trump-portrait-that-explains-everything/

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2018, 02:11:24 pm

The POS people, like Peterson, who would wholeheartedly support the elimination of Medicare and Social Security for EVERYONE, not just the "off the rails" (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-250718202127.gif) liberals, without blinking an eye, are TEXTBOOK FASCIST ENABLERS.

Another ardent critic of the "fascist" Peterson who hasn't read or listened to him. You guys write like you have been studying the guy for years and have become experts, but the content of you're writing betrays that you have barely looked into him for more than few minutes.

What is a stated above is FALSE - he has never said anything about eliminating Medicare or Social Security that I'm aware of. If you can come up with evidence to the contrary, we are happy to look at it. But we're not holding our breath.

The rest of your rant is completely irrelevant to this topic so I will ignore it.

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Ashvin, please continue to "ignore" my "irrelevant" posts by POSTING a reply stating that you are, uh, simply insulting  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png) me while studiously "ignoring" me. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-220216203149.gif)

YOU are the fine fellow that couldn't be bothered with reading my "behemoth" (your words!) article(s) several years ago, but here you are harping on people, as is your sophist wont, who "won't think deeply" or "bother to watch some video(s) you posted". THAT is textbook PROJECTION.

It is also a fallacious debating technique, but I'll let RE and Surly deal with your baseless complaints.

You have a track record, Ashvin, of NOT being objective on a plethora of issues. You have consistently sided with authoritarian (i.e. RIGHT WING = NeoFascist to Fascist) political and financial positions deleterious to the well being of the poor, minorities AND the average citizen in the USA of any color or ethnicty. You try to hide from it (as Surly noted) with some present guise of objectivity (see fallacious debating techniques), but it is generally accepted among people of average intelligence that if Ashvin walks and talks like a duck, (etc.). Most who post here are several points above average, so you will always have a difficult time playing your sophistic mind games in this forum.

As to your claim that I am lying, let us clear the air. YOU admire and support Peterson's "deep thinking" POV. THAT alone tells anyone with two brain cells two rub together that you and Peterson are birds of a political feather.

That doesn't mean you think alike in all areas, but, as Surly intimated, it produces a telling metaphorical (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191329.bmp) odor. The "odor" has some characteristics that you can deny until the cows come home, but no one can take you seriously when you engage in said denials.

The tem "Politically Correct", when espoused, defended or originated by anyone (e.g. Jordan Peterson) is prima facie evidence of RACIST BIGOTRY. I am experienced hearing those too clever by a half ASSHOLES making the clever jokes and snide remarks about being "politically correct" in places I have worked. You KNOW THEM BY THEIR hateful, derisve, sarcastic, scorn filled FRUIT.   

In addition, Jordan Peterson does a lot of word twisting to get people to reject good government. Good government is what gave us Social Security AND Medicare. I stand by my previous statement that Jordan Peterson would DEFINITELY APPLAUD the elimination of these vital programs that HONOR the Lord Jesus Christ's teachings.

Thie following is a quote from an intelligent fellow who sees through Jordan Peterson's clever rhetoric.
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Jordan Peterson: The social structure is corrupt and incomplete

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Jimmy Owen

Social structures will NEVER be perfect, because they're complex and made up of people, and because they must balance competing but equally important values in an ever-changing world (e.g. freedom vs. security, rights vs. responsibilities, progress vs. stability, etc.) But social structures ARE necessary and valuable, and some are FAR better than others, so it's not axiomatic that you should tear them down.  American and Canadian societies, for example, are among the best, and most free EVER to have existed.  So, gain an honest understanding of their relative merits, and propose a BETTER ALTERNATIVE before you try to tear them down out of self-righteous indignation at the way you naively perceive things to be.

Proposing the DESTRUCTION of social structures is precisely what FASCISTS DO. ANYONE, like Jordan Peterson, wanting to take apart our social structures will enthusiastically support the elimination of social Security AND Medicare. You called me a liar, Ashvin. You are the liar.

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Jordan Peterson is just one more large vocabulary stalking horse for FASCISM.

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Proverbs 12:18 “There is that speaketh like the piercings of a sword: but the tongue of the wise is health.”

You and Peterson are among those that speaketh like the piercings of a sword. Have a nice day, Antinomian Heretic.
Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2018, 05:54:14 pm
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Jordan Peterson is BOUGHT AND PAID FOR by the Koch Brothers

Who is Jordan Peterson 😈, the ‘alt-right’ darling of YouTube?

Brenden Gallagher— Apr 30 at 2:00AM | Last updated Apr 30 at 8:45AM

SNIPPET:

If you hang around intellectuals or academics long enough, one of them will make the joke that they wish they were conservative (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-250718205808.gif) because there is a lot more money in it. Jordan Peterson (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-250718205137.gif) is living proof of that.

The Koch Brothers and the Heritage Foundation are eager to fund and promote the brightest minds conservatism has to offer. They intend to use the free market language of the right, there is a high demand for “intellectuals” who will defend conservative ideas, but there is a very low supply.

So if you’re wondering how 55-year-old Canadian psychology professor Jordan B. Peterson became an overnight sensation, going from obscure academic to international bestseller lauded in the New York Times 👹 as “most influential public intellectual in the Western world right now,” (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-191017140758.jpeg) you don’t have to look much further than that old academic joke.

Jordan Peterson is famous because in the era of the resurgent alt-right, the loose collection of conservatives that align with white supremacists, there are few intellectuals willing to align themselves with the movement. The alt-right is in need of intellectuals to justify their fascist worldview, and Peterson has been ready.

Full article:

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jordan-peterson/ (https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jordan-peterson/)

Agelbert NOTE: I repeat, Jordan Peterson is a stalking horse for FASCISM. He  enthusiastically supports the Koch Brothers push to get Trump (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/styles/renewablerevolution/files/780_9adc777a0e08428257b76ece69d18ee52006bb5e39d60d966bb2440d29d17641.jpeg) and his wreckng crew (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-130418203402.gif) to eliminate Social Security and Medicare.

Ashvin, like Jordan Peterson, is also a Fascist Enabler, as well as a serial liar.


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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on December 31, 2018, 01:26:30 pm
December 31, 2018

I wish I could say that 2019 will be a year of prosperity for the world in general and the USA in particular, but I CANNOT SAY THAT. It is irrational to say that, given the current flowering of in-your-face evil at a level never before seen in human history.

The best outcome that you can expect in 2019 is a continuation of the destructive status quo worship of CAPITALIST PROFIT by those who corrupt the politicians who make the "laws", for the parasitic purpose of ruthlessly extracting the last bit of anything of monetary value from the biosphere, in general, and human society in particular.

The worst outcome you can expect in 2019 is that the Plutocratic Parasites begin a campaign to cull the human population in order to reduce the rate of biosphere degradation. Never mind that the 1% Plutocratic Parasites are the most massively biosphere trashing segment of the human population. That is not "relevant" to them. Plutocratic Parasites are quite practiced in blame the victim tactics.
 
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Nevertheless, I do not think they will do that, at least not on a larger scale than they are now engaging in by doing all they can to "externalize" toxic pollution to the places the poor and middle class live and work in.

Sure, they have thought of it. However, the state of robotics technology has not advanced to the degree that it is cheaper to use robots for physically demanding manual labor, like harvesting crops, fighting wars, abusing minorites through fascist police murder, mayhem and other types of assorted brutality, deemed by the Plutocratic Parasites as "justified apex predator behavior" according to their Social Darwinist Satanic Religion.

Besides the cost issue, let us not forget that the sadistic abuse of fellow humans is a Demonic Joy these Plutocratic Parasites do not wish to dispense with any time soon.   

For these spiritually depraved Plutocratic Parasites, there is no fun in watching a robot get shorted out while picking cabbages in a rain storm. So, while the Plutocratic Parasites will continue to gradually add robots to their work force, they will always want humans "working" for them because these Plutocratic Parasites thoroughly dislike the idea of not having "lower class" humans around to push around, beat up, enslave, ra pe, kill, and so on.

Enslaving humans is a demonic practice. Therefore the Plutocratic Parasites, who are the chief servants/slaves of Lucifer on this planet, will continue it until Christ stops them, and not a second sooner.

Plutocratic Parasites pretend it is all about money. That is a half truth. To them, it is all about power over everything and everybody around them. IOW, they have a God envy. They deny it, but they are simply slaves of their STATANIC Religion. Lucifer is that fallen angel that wanted to be above God. THAT is the basis of all Plutocratic Parasite thinking.

That said, you don't need to have a lot of money to embrace demonic behavior. Too many people these days have been lured into embracing evil by the carrots and sticks that demons wield in this Valley of Tears. The "Christian" mega-churches in the USA are an excellent example of depraved humans who embrace all things ANTI-Christian, no matter who is hurt and no matter what the Holy Scriptures say, all so they can "prosper" economically.

The Apostle Paul accurately described the true motive of these heretics and contrasted it with the true motive of a Christian:

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Philippians Chapter 3:18-21

18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The bold faced heretics in these prosperity preaching mega-churches often quote Philippians Chapter 4:19, ignoring the message in the verses above and, more importantly, WITHOUT mentioning the even clearer message delivered in some verses (Philippians Chapter 4:11-13) a little before Philippians Chapter 4:19:

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Philippians Chapter 4:19

19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Notice that the what God promises to supply to the believer is your NEED, not your GREED or your WANT. Often this NEED is not a material item at all, but some ADVERSITY and/or the LACK of material goods for the purpose of making your spirit grow. But, too many people are blinded by the clever (greed based) claim that hey, God is a really, really rich dude, so if I am promised according to HIS "riches in glory", that is a lot of MATERIAL PROSPERITY! (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-250718211017.gif) (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TzWpwHzCvCI/T_sBEnhCCpI/AAAAAAAAME8/IsLpuU8HYxc/s1600/nooo-way-smiley.gif)

Now look at verses 11-13  🧐

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Philippians Chapter 4:11-13

11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

You need to be strengthened if you are in adversity. Therefore the "all things" Paul is referring to are even more applicable to bad times than to economic prosperity.

In the light of the above, the true context of verse 19 becomes clear:

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Philippians Chapter 4:19

19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

When these heretics prosperity preach about "doing all things in Christ", remind them that SUFFERING and ADVERSITY and WANT and HUNGER are OFTEN part of DOING ALL THINGS IN CHRIST. Who knows? It might even rip the money and power loving satanic blinders they wear with such hypocritical pride off of them.

If anyone still harbors doubts about what Paul means when he makes mention of how, and why, God uses His "riches in glory" (see: "glorious power") to strengthen Christians, Colossians Chapter 1, verse 11 should make it crystal clear that economic prosperity is NOT included. God strengthens us during, as well as through, adversity so we grow spiritually. The fruit of that growth is good works, NOT the accumulation of wealth.

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Colossians Chapter 1:10-11

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

So, what does all this have to do with the "End Times"? Plenty. The Holy Scriptures predict that a Great Falling away of the Church happens. Also, evil flourishes like never before. IOW, it reaches such "peak evil", so to speak, that the Tribulation Period of 7 years begins and the church is either removed miraculously from the planet OR, as many Christian Theologians believe, the true church is made mincemeat of, first by starving them out and then by beheading. (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fighting/guillotine-smiley-emoticon.gif)

At the end of this ANTI-Christ blood and guts Plutocratic Parasite Paradise period, Christ returns to begin His physical reign for a period of time on Earth.

I expect that 2019 will be a bad year. However, as the Holy Scripture says, I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

If Christ gives my wife and I the strength to get through it, we will. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-140216175259.jpeg) Otherwise, we won't. To my wife and I, all that matters is that our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

I post a lot of peppy stories about Renewable Energy. However, if the evil in this world of greed is not replaced by Christian Socialist ALTRUISM on a global scale, there is ZERO hope for our species in Renewable Energy. The problem is TOO MUCH EVIL, not LACK OF CLEAN ENERGY. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-111018132401-16881856.gif)

 
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Post by: AGelbert on January 01, 2019, 12:16:40 pm
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Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof. Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice Before the Lord: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth. -- Psalm 96:10-13


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Post by: AGelbert on January 14, 2019, 07:01:02 pm
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Less and less people who call themselves "Christian" behave and believe like the following Christian woman does:


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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on January 16, 2019, 12:52:54 pm
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God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

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Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

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They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

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I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Psalm 82 King James Version (KJV)


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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on January 18, 2019, 12:19:27 pm
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Post by: AGelbert on January 20, 2019, 01:09:31 pm
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As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people
Proverbs 28:15 King James Version (KJV)



Proverbs 28:

23 He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue.

24 Whoso robbeth his father or his mother
, and saith, It is no transgression; the same is the companion of a destroyer.

26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.





He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. --
Proverbs 28:13
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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on January 22, 2019, 01:57:15 pm
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1 Corinthians 16:22-23 King James Version (KJV)

22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema, Maranatha.

23 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
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Post by: AGelbert on January 23, 2019, 11:43:01 am
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If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked. -- Proverbs 29:12 (KJV)



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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on January 24, 2019, 12:08:41 pm
An angry man stirreth up strife, and a furious man aboundeth in transgression. -- Proverbs 29:22 King James Version (KJV)


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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on January 25, 2019, 12:05:08 pm
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Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:

Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain. --  Proverbs 30:5-9 King James Version (KJV)

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There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother. There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness. There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.

There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men
. -- Proverbs 30:11-14 King James Version (KJV)

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Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O Lord, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name.

O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever. Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty.

O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name. Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.

Forget not the voice of thine enemies: the tumult of those that rise up against thee increaseth continually. -- Psalm 74:18-23 King James Version (KJV)
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Post by: AGelbert on February 21, 2019, 12:09:23 pm
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Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.


The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. -- Proverbs 9:8-10 (KJV)

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Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
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Post by: AGelbert on March 03, 2019, 05:59:41 pm
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Proverbs 16

1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the Lord.

2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weigheth the spirits.

3 Commit thy works unto the Lord, and thy thoughts shall be established.

So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:33


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Post by: AGelbert on April 04, 2019, 01:22:57 pm
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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on May 28, 2019, 11:42:01 am
The eyes of the Lord preserve knowledge, and he overthroweth the words of the transgressor. -- Provebs 22:12
Title: Did President Trump Convert to Judaism?
Post by: AGelbert on May 29, 2019, 01:14:30 pm
Published on May 23, 2019

Did President Trump Convert to Judaism?

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on June 06, 2019, 05:19:38 pm
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What the Horror of “Chernobyl” Reveals About the Deceit of the Trump Era (https://theintercept.com/2019/06/05/what-the-horror-of-chernobyl-reveals-about-the-deceit-of-the-trump-era/)

Of course. Trump and his Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Wrecking Crew have ALWAYS lived by 'might equals right'.
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Any man who has once proclaimed violence as his method is inevitably forced to take the lie as his principle. -- Aleksandr Sholzhenitsyn (https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/aleksandr_solzhenitsyn)
Sholzhenitsyn described this Deceit modus operandi in the USSR.
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Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence. (https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/aleksandr_solzhenitsyn)
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In our country the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State. (https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/aleksandr_solzhenitsyn)
Sholzhenitsyn described the unavoidable effect of this embrace of evil on the USSR in a book he wrote titled, "The Gulag Archipelago".
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In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations. (https://archive.org/stream/AleksandrSolzhenitsynTheGulagArchipelago/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn_The_Gulag_Archipelago_djvu.txt)
embrace of evil has been part of the USA's MO for at least half a century or more. It will destroy us as effectvely as it destroyed the USSR. The fact that most humans throughout the world embrace evil does not excuse the world leader of said embrace, the USA, from bearing the primary responsibility for fostering it everywhere.

My job as a Christian is to warn people of their destructive embrace of evil, urge them to repent of this and direct them to look to God for answers.

I realize, as this forum evidences, that 99.9999% of what I post falls on deaf ears.

I realize that the working definition of a "Christian" in the USA is now right there with that of most of the "Christians" in Germany under the National Socialist (NAZI) Party.
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A large segment of the Protestant churches in Germany, known as Deutsche Christen (German Christians), became more than bystanders. Their explicit support of Hitler and National Socialist ideology, and its influence on their theology, made them perpetrators. (https://sojo.net/magazine/february-2018/bonhoeffer-moment)

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Thousands of years ago, the Holy Scriptures predicted that, during the Last Days, good would be labelled as evil and evil as good. Hitler, an expert in Orwellian discourse, was right there with Stalin in this heinous duplicity. The same upside down thinking has now become the Orwellian 'reality' in the USA. The moment one says, "I am a Christian", most people, particularly those on the left, think one is a Deutsche Christen, like the "Evangelical Christians" who voted for Trump.

So, most refuse to hear and respond to the truth.
 
The Bible is clear that it does not matter. That is God's problem, not mine. My job is to warn about this evil because I will be held responsible by God if I do not warn those embracing evil that they are rushing to the destruction of their souls.
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But if you do warn the wicked person and they do not turn from their wickedness or from their evil ways, they will die for their sin; but you will have saved yourself. -- Ezekiel 3:19
The Bonhoffer moment in NAZI Germany provides pertinent modern day context to Ezekiel 3:19. I believe it was Ronald Reagan that triggered the Bonhoffer moment here in the USA. Too few realized it. Every POTUS thereafter built on this cruel edifice of Deceit. Trump is the most obvious beacon of evil incorporated, but I find little difference, beyond the identity politics food fight, between his morally depraved policies and those of Reagan and every subsequent POTUS.
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Bonhoeffer was a German theologian and pastor who resisted his government when he recognized, very early and very clearly, the dangers of Hitler’s regime. His first warning about the dangers of a leader who makes an idol of himself came in a radio address delivered in February 1933, just two days after Hitler took office.

Despite an abiding Christ-centered peace ethic, a desire to study nonviolent political resistance with Gandhi, and extensive writing about loving one’s enemies, Bonhoeffer eventually became a member of a conspiracy that was responsible for a coup attempt against Hitler. Twelve years after he became one of the first voices in Germany to offer public opposition to the Nazis, Bonhoeffer was executed by them, as a traitor.

By Bonhoeffer’s own account, he and his co-conspirators were living in a time and place in which “the huge masquerade of evil has thrown all ethical concepts into confusion” and in which evil appears in the “form of light, good deeds, historical necessity, [and] social justice.” They were living in a time that required a radical form of ethical discernment, attuned to concrete reality, historical urgency, and the desperate cries of help from victims of the state.
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Is This a Bonhoeffer Moment? Lessons for American Christians from the Confessing Church in Germany. (https://sojo.net/magazine/february-2018/bonhoeffer-moment)

For those who just read the above, who are more concerned with the devastation our biosphere is experiencing at the hands of Capitalist profit over people and planet than with the spiritual depravity of world leaders like Trump, Putin, Xi, et al, you need to try to grasp what Sholzhenitsyn meant by the phrase, "..., we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.".

The inescapable EFFECT of moral depravity on a nationwide scale is environmental DESTRUCTION. Evil is progressive. It begins by framing all material riches and physical well being as the goal of all rational beings. BUT, it never stops there. It continues to corrupt the mind and the soul to the point of rationalizing any action whatsover as "justified" in the pursuit of physical comfort and prosperity. Obedience to God's commands are gradually branded as "attacks" on our freedom or, as with the pseudo-Christians, demoniically inverted.

Evil is not static; it is dynamic. No one just stops at some point in their slide towards demonically aided and abetted soul dooming worship of the self. All of us in the thrall of self worship grow progressively more addicted to various forms of depravity until our consciense is so seared by sin that we are slaves to a plethora of morally reprehensible behaviors. We then become sworn enemies of God, some denying God's existence, while others often pretend to be His "instrument".

There is NO middle ground. Just because you don't enjoy snuff films and/or engage in serial adultery and just because you correctly and righteously parade against biosphere degradation and the evils of war does NOT mean you are any better than the pseudo-Christians who sin covertly, rationalize "just wars" and hypocritically ignore Capitalist profit over people and planet murder and mayhem.     

Our problems are ALL based on our spiritual condition, from the moment we reach the age of reason until we draw our last breath. Get right with God now. If you do, you are, in these times of the Great American Embrace of Evil, probably guaranteed to have, like Bonhoeffer, a shorter life span, but you will have victory for your soul. If you don't, you are your own worst enemy.


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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on June 24, 2019, 02:48:16 pm
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Photo on the right is the Sea of Galilee from space

ISRAEL’S SEA OF GALILEE AND DEAD SEA ARE DYING – WHAT IS BEING DONE?

OCTOBER 22, 2018

By Karyn Simpson

Medill Reports

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Over the past several decades of carving out an oasis from the desert, Israel has pushed back countrywide water scarcity through desalination, conservation, efficient use of the country’s limited freshwater, and wastewater treatment and reuse. Today, approximately 80 percent of Israel’s drinking water comes from desalination plants, meaning that even as Israel enters its sixth consecutive year of drought, the country should continue to have a stable supply of drinking water for its residents.

The main concern surrounding the drought is the health of Israel’s two natural, above-ground bodies of water, the freshwater Sea of Galilee and the saltwater Dead Sea – both sacred to residents, if for entirely different reasons. While the Dead Sea is valued particularly because of its contributions to Israeli tourism, the Sea of Galilee holds special import in religious history and because many residents remember when it was the country’s main source of water.

“The Sea of Galilee, for all the people in Israel, is emotional – 100 percent emotional,” said Arnon Eshel, who works at Sapir, the water pumping station for the Sea of Galilee. “We come here, we see the Sea of Galilee as it looks now, we are in totally depression.”

The ongoing drought has reduced the Sea of Galilee to some of its lowest levels in history, 215.5 meters (about 707 feet) below sea level. To try to assuage the rapidly decreasing levels and prevent any irreparable environmental damage, Israel has almost completely ceased pumping from the Sea of Galilee. But some pumping is necessary to keep the machines working and to fulfill Israel’s peace agreement with neighboring Jordan.

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This water holding tank at Sapir, the pumping facility alongside the Sea of Galilee, mirrors the sea’s water level. On the far side of the tank, just below the fence, a red marker shows the sea’s normal level: 208 meters below sea level. The water is currently at 215.5 meters below sea level. (Karyn Simpson/MEDILL)

“For Jordan, by peace agreement, we have to supply to them 50 million cubic meters (about 13.2 billion gallones) per year from the Sea of Galilee,” Eshel said. “Which means that Jordan is the biggest customer of water from the Sea of Galilee.”

Some of the streams which feed into the Sea of Galilee flow from Jordan, meaning that a portion of the water that ends in the Sea of Galilee should belong to the Jordanians – the crux of the peace agreement. While Israel once faced attacks from Jordan, as evidenced in the historic Yom Kippur War, having water be part of the peace agreement has ensured cooperation between the two countries, Eshel said.

“One of the things that Israel understands, that it’s smart to make cooperation with the agriculture in Jordan, by the government, of course, and have a quiet border – 400 kilometers [248.5 miles], totally quiet border,” Eshel said. “If some terrorists want to try to attack Israel, they say not from here. If it come from here, Israel [will] destroy that area.”

Though Israel has considered building a pipeline from the seawater desalination plants to Jordan to fulfill this water requirement without having to pump from the already-low Sea of Galilee, Eshel said that the construction for such a project would be too cost-prohibitive to be feasible.

Today, only 5 percent of Israel’s drinking water comes from the Sea of Galilee, amounting to approximately 25 million cubic meters (abut 6.6 billion gallons). That is just enough to keep the machines working, Eshel said. The biggest culprit to the sea’s decline is evaporation, and without adequate rainfall, the sea has no chance to replenish what it is losing.

“Every year, we [lose] something around 240 million cubic meters (about 63.4 billion gallons) to evaporation,” Eshel said, which appears as about one meter each year in depth. This descent can be seen from the shoreline, which now contains meters of sand where there used to be water.

“When I was a child, every day I need to choose whether I’m going to school or going to swim. Most of the time I’m going to swim. Don’t judge me – there was no air conditioning when I was a child,” Eshel said. He grew up along the Sea of Galilee and held up a picture of the coastline by his home – a long stretch of concrete sidewalk that ended at the water’s edge. In the photo, water lapped against the wall about a foot below walking level, and small boats floated only a meter or two away from shore.

“I never even needed to think if we have the ability to jump or not,” Eshel said.

He held up a second picture – that same stretch of coastline outside his childhood home taken in recent years. The water’s edge had receded 15 to 20 feet, leaving only sand near the concrete sidewalk where Eshel used to jump off, and old boats were beached on the sandy bank where they used to float.

An idea has been proposed to build a pipe sometime in the next three years that would funnel desalinated water into the Sea of Galilee, Eshel said.

Agelbert NOTE: They have to work quickly or the Sea of Galilee (Kinneret lake) is toast, regardless of "a good winter will replenish the lake (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-250718202127.gif)" wishful thinking. As you read above, the water, as of October of 2018, was at 215.5 meters below sea level. The lake has now reached a point where it CANNOT recover without adding massive amounts of desalinated water. From Wikipedia:

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After 5 years of drought as of 2018, Sea of Galilee is expected to get to the black line.[22] The black elevation line is the lowest depth from which irreversible damage begin and no water can be pumped out anymore.[23] Israel Oceanographic and Limnological Research describe it as "The black line marks -214.87 m, the lowest-ever level reached since 1926 when the water level record began. According to the water authority, the Kinneret water level must not decline below this level."[24]In February 2018, the city of Tiberias requested a desalination plant to treat the water coming from the Sea of Galilee and demanded a new water source for the city.[25]

In September 2018 the Israeli energy and water office announced a project to pour desalinated water from the Mediterranean sea into the sea of Galilee using an underground tunnel.
The 💧 tunnel is expected to be the largest of its kind done in Israel and will transfer half of the Mediterranean desalted water and will push 300 to 500 million cubic liters of water per year.[27]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee

This would be intended to provide water to the settlements around the Sea of Galilee and to help combat the effects of the drought on the lake, but some Israelis are hesitant to support such a project because of the “one good winter” concept, he said.

“People are afraid we will invest a lot of money for that kind of project, and after one good winter, we won’t need to use it,” Eshel said, referring to how, in non-drought years, Israel typically gets enough rain in the winters to make up for the hot, dry summers. “This is people without vision. People with vision understand, even if we have a good winter, so it’s going to be just one. Then we have another 10 years of drought years. You need to be with courage, but it’s not easy.”

Full article:

https://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/israels-sea-of-galilee-and-dead-sea-are-dying-what-is-being-done/

Agelbert additional observation: The Sea of Galilee was a HUGE part of the Ministry of Jesus Christ while He walked among us. Moreover, He appeared there AFTER His Resurrection, cooking a fish on the beach.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Brooklyn_Museum_-_Christ_Appears_on_the_Shore_of_Lake_Tiberias_%28Apparition_du_Christ_sur_les_bords_du_lac_de_Tib%C3%A9riade%29_-_James_Tissot.jpg/440px-Brooklyn_Museum_-_Christ_Appears_on_the_Shore_of_Lake_Tiberias_%28Apparition_du_Christ_sur_les_bords_du_lac_de_Tib%C3%A9riade%29_-_James_Tissot.jpg)
Jesus Christ appears on the shore of Lake Tiberias by James Tissot

Maybe I am wrong, but I think Jesus Christ has a soft spot for that lake. If the Sea of Galilee dries up, perhaps that is still another sign that we are experiencing the End Times that the Lord Jesus Christ prophesied about over two thousand years ago. Maranatha!

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Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief. -- Proverbs 28:14
Title: Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish
Post by: AGelbert on July 31, 2019, 06:14:23 pm
Check this out.

Hosea 4:1-3 ...'Hear the word of the Lord, ye children of Israel: for the Lord hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood. Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.'


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Exactly right. Human "civilization" is reaping, more every day, what it has sown. As the land now testifies, this is a time of mourning.

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on September 14, 2019, 07:03:03 pm
Quote from: AG
Criminally Insane people do not negotiate; they fight to the death, no matter how irrational the biosphere trashing system that gave them all their short term privileges is. It will get ugly very soon.

It will, indeed. Especially when the elites lose control their various conduit schemes to sieve wealth away from working class people.

I wonder whether people will in fact actually "revolt,"given the the state controls every meaningful vector of force. The best way would be for people to become non-cooperative en masse.


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Well, that's the thing. The vectors of force are, as Chris Hedges has pointed out, both a stick AND a carrot (see: Inverted Totalitarianism - Sheldon S. Wolin). That is, the public is being calmly and methodically herded into living in a nonresilient hand to mouth way that gives us little or no ability to just go off grid. True, the preppers can do that to a certain extent, but I'm sure there are very few prepppers than can last one year without having to go to a supermarket or put some gasoline in one of their machines.

The masses, like you and me, need a monthly paycheck (or a pension) to survive month to month. Then there are those pesky legal tender laws. My savings are in a bank, not under a mattress. How much cash do you have in the house? Not much, I'll wager. How long do you think you can survive through bartering when you aren't allowed access to a bank? Not long.

So what does that have to do with TPTB's plan to deal with non-cooperation en masse? Plenty.

Our routine daily living is the carrot. Though there is way too much gratuitous cruelty dished out by the police and other fascist forces in the USA on a daily basis, most of us get the carrot, not the stick.

En masse non-cooperation will happen when people have absolutely no other recourse due to environmental conditions. TPTB are preparing for that by slowly transitioning the manual work done at all levels to machines. So, when 35% or so (the minimum of what you usually need for a full blown revolution) of we-the-people stop cooperating, the plan is to brand us as "enemies of the state" and take away our driving, bank, supermarket and hospital "privileges".

Their plan will work, Surly. BUT, they know the peril they face shortly thereafter from implementing said plan.

The problem for TPTB is that there is a nation destroying inertia to these things. When such a large segment of the population is dying in the streets from hunger, disease and exposure to the elements, without a shot fired, the segment doing the enforcing fragments into warring factions between those with a heart and those who sold theirs to fascism.

That's when the shots start. Yeah, TPTB have war gamed this too. That's why they keep trying to keep the cops happy. But the cops WILL split into warring factions, no matter what the TPTB do with their perception management tools to keep the cops in line. Again, TPTB KNOW this is an unavoidable consequence of mass suffering among the populace. THAT is why they actually want to prevent, through routine veiled threats, the initiation of en masse noncooperation that begins the revolution in the first place.

All that said, TPTB will fight to the death with every bought and paid for cop and AI drone they have access too. They need us ONLY if they think we are useful to them. With Catastrophic Climate Change guaranteed now, TPTB WANT less human carbon footprints out there so the 1% can make it through the hothouse earth period.

Yeah, they are into wishful thinking there, but that isn't the point.

The point is that, thanks to Artificial Intelligence, huge advances in sensor technology and machines that are smarter than the averge bear (or human), they now CAN function without us. This is the danger we-the-people face. This is a danger we have never faced before.

Tyrants always wanted a large population to rule over, so, to a certain extent, the popultion could pressure said tyrant to back off with the gratuitous cruelty for a while. But at present, the tryants among us actually have a Climate Change "rationale" for "culling" most of us.

Think about that. They have the machines to keep them happy and they are worried about the environment they are trashing. Have these crazy bastards ever tried empathy?  (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-120818185040-16582181.gif) Are they willing to admit they are the MAIN CAUSE if Catastrophic Climate Change? (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-120818180835-1625583.gif)

Notice that I have not even brought up all the crazies with guns out there. I haven't mentioned these folks, many who are ex-military, family of cops or friends of cops, because I do not believe they are the ones that will start this. However, when it starts, and they need medicine at the closed pharmacy or food at the closed supermarket, they will get it.

Our civilization is far more fragile than meets the eye. TPTB, who are far more concerned with preserving the profit over people and planet (insane) status quo than we-the-people are, know that the present status quo is economically and environmentally unsustainable.

So, what do I think they are going to do about that? They are going to keep their bunkers in high tech condition and keep buying the cops. When, not if, the SHTF, they will attempt to "cull" 90% of the human population.

They will be partly successful, but they will be overwhelmed, despite the fact that their "controlling human behaviors during a revolution with targeted violence" computer models, prepared by the smartest psychologists, predict total success. Darwinian "Apex predator" GARBAGE math in, happy talk GARBAGE out.

The human population will be reduced to about half what it is now. Infrastructure will be in shambles. Global shipping will be a thing of the past. City states within countries will attack each other for stuff. It won't be "mad max", but that is the direction things will be headed towards. Survival will be more pressing than schooling. Less education always breeds more prejudice and irrational violence.

That surviving half will finish destroying the key parts of the biosphere we depend on, descending into nuclear war or cannibalism. The gross barbarism will feed on itself and guarantee more mass death.

Throughout that horror, there will be voices, as there have been for thousands of years, clamoring for repentance from our sins against God, an embrace of God centered altruism, harmony and respect for each other and nature. They will be drowned out by the materialists.

I don't know if we will go extinct or not. However, the successful perpetuation of our species does not look like a good bet right now. TPTB, and most of the rest of humanity, refuse to obey Christ's Commandments to respect fellow humans and God's Creation. Sure, it's been that way for thousands of years, but Catastrophic Climate Change is the human species Coffin we will all be buried in because of TPTB's stubborn clinging to the suicidal "might equals right" demonic blindness. 

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

TRUTHOUT  September 14, 2019

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For some 500 years, capitalism’s logic of eco-genocidal accumulation has presided over both the physical eradication of human and non-human life and the cultural eradication of the languages, traditions and collective knowledge that constitute life’s diversity. It necrotizes the planetary biosphere, leaving behind only decay. It burns the practically unrecoverable library of life and eradicates its future masterpieces simultaneously. It inflicts not just physical destruction, but psychological grief and trauma as people witness their lands go under the sea, get immolated by fire, and drown in mud. The First Extermination Event has now produced such a nightmarish world that even temperature maps scream in agony.

Full article:

What we are witnessing is not a passive geological event but extermination by ☠️ capitalism. (https://truthout.org/articles/this-is-not-the-sixth-extinction-its-the-first-extermination-event/)

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on October 06, 2019, 04:14:00 pm

When Christian love and charity is indistinguishable from greed, evil, and faithlessness 😱

By Jack Cluth    10.05.19   


[T]o the Christian Right, an impeachment inquiry on the part of House Democrats amounts to an attempted coup d’etat. Trump, regardless of his blatant corruption, is still quite popular among far-right Christian fundamentalists — who have been rushing to his defense and sounding very melodramatic in the process.
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Call me naive (you wouldn’t be the first), but I’d never have suspected so many millions of my fellow citizens could be so easily duped into believing Donald Trump was anointed by a loving, righteous God to lead America. Then again, to quote the noted philosopher Forrest Gump, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

While I hesitate to stoop to calling others “stupid,” sometimes things are so blindingly obvious and undeniable you simply have to call it as you see it.

Nice work, America. You broke it, you bought it.

https://whatwouldjackdo.org/2019/10/05/when-christian-love-and-charity-is-indistinguishable-from-greed-evil-and-faithlessness/

For fundamemtalists, it's about judges, Israel, and the "end times" heralding Jesus' final return. Little do they know that were Jesus to actually return and rule, he would be less than pleased with their doings.

As long as white Baptists are doing well, it's all good in their world. these are the "comfortable" I would like noting more than to afflict.


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Just love me some pharisees.

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Surly, that belief among secular liberals that the irrational support of Trump is all about the End Times for "Fundamentalists" is a mendacity laced canard carefully cultivated by the 😈 pseudo-Christians themselves. It is clever buck passing 😈 pharisaic sophistry, nothing more. It is a pious guise to cover the truth that the support for Trump is all about Mammon Worship.(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-040718162655-14231561.gif)(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-270117175421.png)

I as a Christian, and a pretty Fundamentalist, walk the talk Christian at that, urge you solemnly not to believe their pious "End Times" justifies 👹 WHATEVAH for "Christians" and (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-301216165623.jpeg) Trump. As the article I posted makes clear, it is not possible to be a Christian, no matter how Fundamentalist, and consciously discard the most basic LAWS ORDERED by Jesus Christ HIMSELF in the New Testament.

The third Temple and ALL THAT excuses NOBODY who calls themselves a Christian, Fundamentalist or otherwise, if they willfully embrace the Sinfully Damning REJECTION of Christ's Commands through full throated Mammon worship. Christians who embrace 100% ANTI-Christian behavior just because Trump moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem do NOT earn a "Get-Out-of-Hell-Free" Card.

These OBVIOUSLY FALSE PROPHETS provide Biblical End Times evidence that they probably do not want to talk about. 😉
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The "Christian" leaders pushing this blasphemy are deluded. These 😈 reprobate leaders are under what the Bible calls STRONG DELUSION (explained below).
 
After the following graphic of Trumper Republican types, the following quote explains, from the true Christian Bible based perpective, what is going on with these pseudo-Christian pharisees:

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And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A11-12&version=KJV)-- 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 King James Version (KJV)

God has tolds us all what we must do to be saved. God has, throughout the ages, sent messengers to tell us, in no uncertain terms, what is right and what is the path to perdition.

Mammon Worshipping Human society kills these messengers who cut right through the clever lies and self-serving pharisee sophistry, but God continues to shred any and all cheap excuses for evil behavior, in all its forms.

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Title: 🕯️ Even if we are toast, there is, believe it or not, an upside to this.
Post by: AGelbert on October 15, 2019, 04:16:23 pm
George Monbiot: Oil Strike (https://voxpopulisphere.com/2019/10/14/george-monbiot-oil-strike/)
by Vox Populi
The 🦕🦖 oil 😈 companies have successfully transferred blame for their actions to us. It is time to fight back.
Let’s stop calling this the Sixth Great Extinction. Let’s start calling it what it is: the First Great Extermination. ...

... Mass dilemma actions could be our last, best chance of preventing the great extermination.

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I Agree that there is a great extermination taking place. I disagree that it can be stopped, though I will do all I can to stop and reverse it, as George Monbiot 👍 and XR 👍 are doing. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-140216175259.jpeg) It ain't over till it's over. Hope springs eternal and all that. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-221017161839.png)

Even if we are toast, there is, believe it or not, an upside to this. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/2/3-200419205434.png)

You see, the elite  (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-130418193910.gif)(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png) greedballs are going to die even more painfullly and horribly than the 99% that dies from Catastrophic Climate Change before they do. These elites, with their bunkers and 100 year food supplies and renewable energy powered air conditioning, water purification and so on, will get to see and experience, up close and personal, the HORROR of climate 2 degrees C on up to 10 degrees C above pre-industrial causing ALL vertebrate species to go extinct.

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Since these money loving BASTARDS are in 100% "Might is right" Satanic brainfuck lockstep (see: "game theory") mode from the time they reach the age of "reason", they simply cannot wrap their materialistic heads around the consequences of industrially shitting where they eat.

So, they will only realize how abysmally stupid they have been when they see that there is NO THERE OUT THERE to rapaciously exploit when their bunker food runs out. Earth's spectacular, majestic life giving biosphere will become a polluted, toxic pile of (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/styles/renewablerevolution/files/3104_shit%20bitmap.png).

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In order to fully appreciate what these Hellspawn Scum of the Earth will experience when it dawns on them that THEIR ANTI-EMPATHY WORLD VIEW CAUSED THIS EXTERMINATION, picture a person waking up from a self-induced catatonic state inside a coffin buried six feet under ground.

It won't be pretty. But, it will be JUST. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-130418202709.png)  They will scream in terror while desperately scratching and pushing with all their might as they lose consciousness and die from lack of oxygen in a state of total panic.

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And then their real punishment will begin.

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Surly, if God wants to save the biosphere, He will save it. As to TPTB Homo SAPs running this (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/styles/renewablerevolution/files/3104_shit%20bitmap.png) show, I see ZERO evidence that they want to save it. Therefore, it is logical for an atheist to harbor no hope for our species. Yet, with the exception of the 'Nature Bats Last' crowd, most atheists out there do not want to engage in that, from their own "god ain't there" professed world view, INESCAPABLE logic, do they? Their God is humanity. Good luck with that...

IF, and ONLY IF, TPTB experience a spiritual awakening and embrace 100% ETHICAL BEHAVIOR, there is hope. That is one way that God could intervene through the minds and hearts of humans.

You and I aren't going to talk TPTB into an embrace of ethical behavior. XR is not going to talk TPTB into an embrace of ethical behavior. Violent bloody revolution (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/2/3-190119153601.gif) is not going convince TPTB to embrace ethical behavior either.

All the writings of every religion and philosophy that edify our discourse by repeatedly warning, in no uncertain terms, that ethical behavior is Sine qua non  for the successful perpetuation of the human family, HAVE NOT convinced TPTB to embrace ethical behavior.

God has shown the way. The most ambitious, intelligent, ethics rejecting humans have cheated, lied and murdered their way to the catbird seat. They have given God the finger. They ARE TPTB at present. Jesus Christ, while He was dying on the cross, said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." Well, that is no longer the case. TPTB KNOW EXACTLY what they are doing to their fellow humans and the rest of the biosphere.

I can't speak for God, but it don't look good for humanity, bro.

Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law. Ps 119:136 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+119&version=KJV)
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Title: I've reviewed every prophecy on the Antichrist, and what I read blew my mind:
Post by: AGelbert on October 25, 2019, 05:57:37 pm
AMERICAN & CHRISTIAN CULTURE, END TIMES

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Here Are the Biblical Predictions: 👍

I've reviewed every prophecy on the Antichrist, and what I read 👀 blew my mind:

By Benjamin L. Corey  90 Comments

Does the Bible predict the future with stunning accuracy as so many in the end-times camp have claimed? 🤔

I grew up in the rapture-me-outta-here end times movement, and have spilled no shortage of ink critiquing it– even poking a bit of fun at it. As a theologian I fall into a category of belief that sees biblical prophecies about “the end” as being events that have mostly been fulfilled in the past, but I try to hold that belief gently and recognize I could be wrong.

Many of my fellow Christians in America have warned me over the years of exactly that, often telling me: “I feel sorry for you, because when the Antichrist comes you’re not even going to recognize him!”

To honor those who have given me such warning, I decided to spend the past week studying the most significant biblical prophecies and descriptions typically believed by my conservative friends to refer the Antichrist. If my evangelical friends are correct, and if it’s entirely possible that the Antichrist is on the global scene today, I certainly wouldn’t want to be the only person in the room who didn’t recognize the Antichrist when I saw him.

In case you too are a bit rusty in the area of biblical predictions about the coming Antichrist and don’t want to be oblivious if such a person were to arise, consider me your chief antichristologist who is more than happy to help you out.

Here are the no-kidding-not-satire-prophecies and signs of the antichrist the Bible tells us to watch out for… and that blew my mind by the time I was done:

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The Antichrist will be the leader of a nation that is a military superpower with the ability to trample and crush the entire earth.

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“The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.”
Daniel. 7:23

This verse helps us start by narrowing down the nations and times the Antichrist could come from. The passage directly states he is from a nation that was different from times before, in that it was powerful enough to crush and destroy the entire earth– likely a nuclear superpower. Revelation also speaks of the Antichrist and his prophet having the power to “call down fire from the sky,” which further supports this notion.

Thus, when considering the prophecy in light of the modern world, it most likely leaves Russia or the United States (https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/who-has-the-most-nuclear-weapons-in-the-world/), as both have over 6,000 warheads with remaining nuclear nations having under a few hundred. Furthermore, Revelation 17:15 describes the Antichrist coming from a place where there are “multitudes of peoples, nations, and languages” which would most accurately depict a “melting pot” nation like the United States.

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The Antichrist will be a man who is exceptionally arrogant and will be known for giving boastful speeches.
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“I could hear his boastful speech…”
Daniel 7:8, Revelation 13:5

So, as you keep your eyes peeled for the Antichrist, be sure to keep in mind that it won’t be a quiet leader who is deceitfully humble and flies under the radar– The Bible says it will be someone who loves to give speeches where he boasts about himself.

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The Antichrist will be someone known for making a lot of public threats against people.

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“…had a mouth like that of a lion.”
Revelation 13:2, Daniel. 7:4

As we begin to assemble the biblical prophecies, Christians on guard should be looking for a king-like figure who loves to boast about himself, but who also loves to go around roaring like a lion– things like threats to his enemies and a constant verbal flexing of muscle.

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The Antichrist will come from among 7 tall “hills” that each act as a “head.”


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“And I saw a beast coming out of the sea with ten horns and seven heads, which stood for seven hills”
Revelation 13:1, Ch. 17

John described the Antichrist (beast) “rising up from the sea” as he looked out from the Island of Patmos in a supernatural vision. The Bible describes the beast as having 7 heads, which symbolized 7 “hills” that stood up high. Hills also are metaphorical for places of power in the Bible.

So, if the Antichrist were to come in the present age, we’d be most likely looking for an American president known for being exceptionally arrogant, boastful, and threatening others, but who also came from 7 tall “hills” or places of power… one of which would need to be somewhere in the vicinity of where John was looking out into the ocean where the vision occurred.

Huh… well this is a super weird coincidence:

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Seven heads? Maybe like potential head-quarters?

Well, funny thing again: while Donald Trump owns at least ten skyscrapers that I’m aware of, apparently only seven of them are formally named Trump Towers:

Trump Tower, NYC

Trump International Hotel and Tower, Chicago

Trump Towers, Istanbul

Trump International Hotel and Tower, Toronto

Trump World Tower, New York

Trump Towers, Sunny Isles Beach

Trump Tower, Manila

And this is a little bizarre, but in John’s vision he said that the 7 heads had horns on them– some had just one, some had two… kinda like those antennas on top.

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Wow, and you know what? John’s vision also said that the seven heads all had someone’s name written across them. Interesting!

And let’s not even open the can of worms regarding the building on 5th ave… Yeah, the same deal that was bailed out by Justice Kennedy’s son before Kennedy surprised everyone and retired– giving Trump what had been a swing vote on the Supreme Court. #PowerMove

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Bummer of an address Jared! Glad you were able to offload that.

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The Antichrist will cause people all over the globe to be filled with wonder and “follow” him.

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“The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.”
Revelation. 13:3

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This verse also speaks to the likelihood the coming of the Antichrist is more likely to be in the modern world instead of the ancient one. 2,000 years ago it would not have been possible for people all over the globe to become fascinated by a political leader, let alone “follow” them.

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Okay, I get it…

Some predictions and prophecies can be like horoscopes: they can appear to apply to anyone.

And I’m with you… when you get into stuff like numerology and interpreting seven-headed beasts, it’s hard to know if something is an eerie coincidence, or just plain silly.

I’d honestly started this post intending to be silly, and during my research began to find the coincidences and certain numbers happening to match a bit amusing the first few times. But at a certain point the coincidences added up or got too specific, and it wasn’t funny anymore– it was deeply unsettling.

And by the end? Well, stick with me as the prophecies grow more specific, and you’ll see why my mind was a bit blown– and why as a Christian my spirit was deeply unsettled by the the end of it:

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The Antichrist will be a political outsider with despicable character and a contemptuous personality who wins an election that no one expects him to win.

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“… a despicable person will arise… a man of contempt… to whom the royal honor has not been rightfully conferred. He will slip in when least expected and will seize the kingdom through flattery and intrigue.”
Daniel 11:21

When looking to identify the Antichrist, the Bible starts to help us with some really specific prophecies. Based on what the Bible predicts, a most likely scenario for the arrival of the Antichrist would be a candidate for president who came from the private sector (not of ‘royal’ background) being found with despicable morality along with a contemptuous personality, who campaigned on flattery and lies– but somehow went on to win an election no one expected him to win… leaving the country stunned.

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The Antichrist will give speeches where he speaks “great things” and then about things that are even “greater.”

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“He had a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions…”
Daniel 7:20

Starting to get weird now, isn’t it? This is about the point I got goosebumps and a little freaked out also.

Yes, in warning us of the Antichrist the Bible predicts in both Daniel and Revelation that when the Antichrist comes, he’ll not only be the contemptuous and arrogant political outsider who pulls an upset in the election– but warns us that he’ll specifically be speaking of “great” and “greater” things along the way.

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The Antichrist comes to power through collusion with a secret alliance who uses disinformation to help him win– even though he has a minority number of supporters.

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“After an alliance is made with him he will practice deception, and he will go up and gain power with a small force of people.”
Daniel 11:23

So, you know… according to God’s holy and infallible word and all, one of the other major signs to warn us of the arrival of the Antichrist would be an election where someone won with fewer supporters, and where it was also proven that an evil outside power meddled with the process to specifically put that person in office.

But I can’t imagine the country would turn a blind eye if that ever happened, especially for my evangelical friends who tell me we need to always be on guard for the arrival of the Antichrist.

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The Antichrist’s rise to power will seem like a miracle that God performed, tricking people into following Satan instead of God without even noticing.

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“The arise in power of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie.”
2 Thess. 2:9

Evil is evil, but evil is not stupid… or at least, Satan isn’t. When the time comes to make his power move in the human story, he’ll find a way to not only make evil palatable– he’ll try the ultimate bait and switch by making God himself seem responsible for this evil. What better way to get a hit in, than to do it and make it look like God actually did it?

When the Antichrist comes, be sure to look for powerful religious folk claiming it was a miracle from God:

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“He did everything wrong, politically. He offended gays. He offended women. He offended the military. He offended black people. He offended the Hispanic people. He offended everybody! And he became president of the United States. Only God could do that.”
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False Prophet

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As president, the Antichrist will immediately find ways to make himself and his friends richer– and he will do it in a way no president had ever done before.


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“Then he will distribute among his followers the plunder and wealth of the rich—something his predecessors had never done.”
Daniel 11:24

In this verse the Bible continues down the path of helping us get more specific about the rise of the Antichrist so we won’t miss it when we see it: He says that the Antichrist will be unique from all other presidents before him in the way he will be able to use the presidency to instantly get richer and toss lots of money over to his friends.

While all modern presidents are wealthy, and politicians give kick-backs, Daniel indicates something will be different about this president and that he will uniquely profit off the presidency in a way that previous presidents never imagined.

This prophecy could likely only be fulfilled if a rich business person were to win a deceptively influenced election, and then serve as president with some sort of business structure that got he and his friends richer and richer just from being president.

If such a thing were to ever occur, you might likely hear a government oversight body state something to the effect of: “The president has turned the government of the United States into a money-making operation for his family, his friends and himself.” (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2019/03/18/president-donald-trumps-promises-didnt-end-business-entanglements/3030377002/)

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Once in power the Antichrist will reveal that his heart wants to make alterations to the “appointed times” that are in current laws.

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“He will try to change the set times and the laws.”
Dan. 7:25

What’s fascinating is that the Bible never tells us he actually succeeds or does change the appointed cycles, but that he expresses wanting to change them. What would it look like to express an interest in changing laws around cycles and appointed times? It would likely be that the Antichrist will want to change elections, skip an election, or extend term limits, etc, thus what the Bible says of “intending to alter laws for appointed times…”

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The Antichrist will make fake news popular and will be a chronic liar. His followers will believe his delusions because they hate the truth.

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“He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior… He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them.”
Daniel 8:25, 2 Thess 2:10

Daniel 8 and 2nd Thessalonians 2 are incredibly descriptive warnings to help us recognize the Antichrist. Predicting that under his rule “deceit will prosper” warns us to look for someone who calls the truth “fake news” and who is known for constantly lying.

In fact, the Antichrist lies so much that the Bible stops calling him the Antichrist and starts calling him The Liar– using the definite article for effect– as if he begins to personify fake news and lies.

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The Antichrist will reward those who are completely loyal with powerful positions and lucrative real estate deals.

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“He will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will sell them land at a price.”
Daniel 11:39b

No kidding: the Bible predicts the Antichrist will be someone who negotiates powerful real estate deals with his friends.

The Antichrist is someone in need of constant affirmation, so the Bible predicts he will use his position to surround himself with blind loyalists who honor and submit to him.

To spot the Antichrist as the Bible predicts, look for a president who gives high level positions away on the basis of personal loyalty. While all politics involve a level of this, the Bible calls the Antichrist a worthless shepherd’ so he will likely have a cabinet of leaders in disarray and incompetence, with many being blatantly unqualified or even a bunch of them going to jail.

If that’s not enough to help us identify the Antichrist, the Bible throws us a major bone: He’ll be a president experienced at negotiating land and property deals, and he’ll have access to plenty to buy and sell.

While some prophecies are general enough to fit certain leaders here and there, thankfully the Bible give us some rather specific clues to also look for– like a rich and arrogant political outsider who happens to be in the business of negotiating land and property deals.

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The Bible says that we’ll be able to spot the Antichrist because he will give an arrogant public speech in the middle of his first term where he boasts of “great things” but also uses God’s name as a curse in the same speech.

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“And there was given to him a mouth speaking of ‘great things’ and blasphemous words… and he opened his mouth saying terrible things and blasphemed the name of God.”
Revelation 13:5-6

I mean, if this were to happen all my end-times friends would spot it, wouldn’t they? Revelation 13 very specifically tells us that somewhere in the middle of his first three and a half years in office, the Antichrist will give a very specific and telling speech: he will arrogantly brag of his accomplishments and ‘great’ things, and will also use God’s name in a way considered to be blasphemy.

This would be exceedingly eye-brow-raising for any serious Antichrist hunter, were this to ever happen in a presidential speech… right?

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The Antichrist will draw strong support from many Christians as if they are willfully blind and outright delusional.

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“For false Christs and false prophets will arise and appear to perform ‘great’ signs and wonders so as to lead astray, if possible, God’s own people. He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction…”
Matt. 24:24, 2nd Thess 2:10

Sorry, but I’m old enough to remember when revivals were for God and blasphemy was a serious sin.

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The Antichrist will spend his first term in office having an ongoing feud with the leadership of the nation on his southern border.

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“He will stir up his strength and courage against the king of the South…”
Daniel 11:25

Creepy coincidence? The entire Antichrist narrative of Daniel 11 is situated around a conflict along the southern border where the Antichrist is wanting something that the king to his south wont give him. Based on the whole of Antichrist prophecies and the common thread of money and greed, it certainly appears to be money that he wants from the nation to his south…

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The Bible predicts that negotiating a deal will be hopeless, as neither side is willing to budge. The Antichrist hates the leadership south of his border and hates his people. Not surprisingly, the Bible says they aren’t big fans of the northern king (v11:27). Scripture tells us that negotiations never get off the ground, as kings to the south don’t want to give the Antichrist anything.

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It also says that the Antichrist will go down to the southern border as things heat up– there is a crisis where both sides have troops along the southern border– and that the Antichrist will return home with a large sum of money shortly after.

Another interesting coincidence: in April 2019 Trump toured the southern border and returned home days later to the Pentagon awarding him $1 billion toward his border wall.

The Bible also says that even though the Antichrist will come home with a large sum of money, that he’s even more furious about things after.

Maybe the money wasn’t enough for what he wanted and didn’t know where the rest would come from?

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The Antichrist will be so angry at the king to his south that he will decide to intentionally inflict harm on that ethnic group in retaliation.

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“He will set himself against the people… doing much damage before continuing his journey.”
Daniel 11:28

Yes, you’re tracking with me correctly: the Bible predicts the Antichrist will be an arrogant political outsider who talks about “great” and “greater” things, who wins an election where he has less supporters due to the election being tampered with, who then instantly gets rich off the presidency and spends his time in a feud with the president across from his southern border.

And yes, the Bible actually says that after negotiations fail at the souther border he decides to get even by intentionally inflicting harm and distress on that ethnic group.

Get ready to have your mind blown with what Zechariah’s prophecy about the coming Antichrist says on this matter, especially in light of what Daniel tells us regarding the Antichrist’s retaliation along the border:

“There will be a leader over the land who will not help the ones who are dying.

He will not go looking for the young who got lost, or care for the children.

He won’t help the ones who are sick or broken, or even give nourishment to the hungry ones who are still healthy.”

– Zechariah 11:16-17

Children being ripped from their parents as a deterrent from crossing into the “northern kingdom,” refugees being locked in cages without adequate care, some dying in our custody, children still missing or given for adoption even though they weren’t orphans?

Yeah, the Bible references the “worthless shepherd” who will do that– AKA: the Antichrist.

Still need a few more warning signs from the Bible as to the identity of the Antichrist? Apparently God doesn’t want us to miss it, because the last few drive it all home:

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The Antichrist will be furious over “rumors and reports” that come from the east and north, and will fly into fits of rage as the reports surface.

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“But reports will trouble him from the east and north, and he will set out in a tremendous rage to destroy and wipe out many.”
Daniel 11:44

That’s right: In the middle of the Antichrist’s feud along the southern border he will hear troubling “rumors and reports” that specifically come from the eastern and the northern parts of the country.

The Bible goes on to predict the rumors will “frighten” him and leave him so furious, that he has fits of rage and will want to destroy people over the reports.

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The Antichrist will appear to receive a wound he can’t recover from, but will survive to put down the first attempts to remove him from office.

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“[He] appeared to be fatally wounded, but the fatal wound was healed– and the whole world was amazed.”
Revelation 13:3

And of course, when Trump squeaked by in the Russia investigation due to internal DOJ policy which doesn’t allow the indictment of a sitting president, everyone– most especially those who are too young to remember the OJ Simpson murder trial– was completely amazed he survived what very clearly seemed to be a fatal wound to his presidency.

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The Antichrist will have the nation’s most powerful religious leader influencing the country for him. This leader will try to convince Christians that the Antichrist is “God’s pick” and that we need to support him.

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“And then I saw a second beast come from the Earth who looked like a lamb but spoke like a dragon… and it deceived the inhabitants of the Earth…”

Revelation 13:11–12

The Bible predicts the Antichrist will survive the near-fatal wound to his rule, but then goes on to tell us he will need the most powerful religious leader in the country to help him solidify support among the religious in order to stay in power– specifically around the 3 1/2 year mark.

3 1/2 year mark? That’s re-election season. Interesting!

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The Antichrist will see himself as being above everyone else, as if he had no need for God. He will eventually elevate himself as the God and King of Israel

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“And he will exalt himself above all… so that he sets himself up in God’s own temple in Israel, proclaiming himself to be God.”
2nd Thess 2:4, Rev 17

However… it’s hard to imagine this actually happening. I don’t know if I’ve ever met a professing Christian who saw themselves as being so flawless or had zero reverence for God. Well, take that back– never mind the admission that he’s “never seen a need” to ask God forgiveness for anything, or saying, “Why should I repent if I haven’t done anything wrong?” just TODAY he did something that seemed unthinkable…

Here’s Donald Trump, just as the Bible predicts, setting himself up like he’s the God and King of Israel:

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Beyond words. This is what Antichrist looks like.

But you know what? He is not the God of Israel. He doesn’t worship or even know the God of Israel.

But are you ready for some Antichrist trolling about 2,600 years in the waiting?

Well, we know the Antichrist hates God and doesn’t worship him– but the Bible *does* actually let us in on a secret and tells us who the Antichrist does worship… and spoiler: it’s not actually Satan.

Drum roll please…..

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The Antichrist will worship the god of border walls.

For real. The Bible actually says that.

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“He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. Instead of them, he will honor a god no one will have heard of before: the god of fortresses. And he will worship this god with a lot of money.”
Daniel 11:37-38

You can’t even make this stuff up– yes, the Bible *actually* says that instead of worshipping the true God, the Antichrist will worship an unknown god of “fortresses.”

What does this word “fortress” literally translate to?

Border walls that secure a city or country, that’s what.

Yes, the Bible says the Antichrist will worship the god of border walls.

Some commentaries argue it’s not even referencing a real deity (though some think it was the ‘god of towers’ like a gate tower), but instead note that it is likely the Antichrist will be so obsessed with a border wall, worshipping it with a lot of money, that it functionally becomes his god.

Yup- trolling from long-since-dead-guys. Priceless!

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The Antichrist’s most devoted followers will wear a sign of their allegiance to him on their foreheads.

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“And they received a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads…”
Revelation 13

And we all thought it was going to be a barcode or chip….

And the final biblical prophecy on the Antichrist:

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… But the people who truly know God and remain faithful, will firmly “resist” him.

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"With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him."
Daniel 11:32

Yup– even the name of our movement is mentioned in the Antichrist narrative.


So in the end, what do I believe theologically on the subject of eschatology after this research project?

I don’t know yet.

But what I do know is this: If the Antichrist comes, I’m not going to be the one guy in the room who doesn’t recognize him.

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Title: ... to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Post by: AGelbert on November 03, 2019, 12:16:18 pm
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived - 2 Timothy 3:13 King James Version (KJV)

For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. - Revelation 17:17
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A Prophetic Song About The Words of the Prophets (click for the YouTube video):[/center]
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"The Sound of Silence" is a song by singer-songwriter duo Simon & Garfunkel. Written in February 1964 by Paul Simon.

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Title: Is Trump planning to stage a "miraculous recovery" from a head wound inflicted by a "leftist commie
Post by: AGelbert on November 03, 2019, 02:34:52 pm
November 3, 2019

SNIPPET:

First Lady Melania’s publicly demonstrated distaste for him.  It’s entirely conceivable that she would not cry if Donald was injured and, in fact, she might celebrate it on some level. This woman is married to one of the most odious men in the entire world. He’s an avowed sexual predator, a deeply unempathetic man, a lazy father, and an incompetent leader. There is quite literally nothing to love about Donald J. Trump.

Read more:

Trump says Melania wouldn’t cry for him if he got shot in uncomfortable fundraiser speech (https://washingtonpress.com/2019/10/31/trump-says-melania-wouldnt-cry-for-him-if-he-got-shot-in-uncomfortable-fundraiser-speech/)

Agelbert Comment: Hmmmm. Is Trump planning to stage a "miraculous recovery" from a head wound inflicted by a "leftist commie gunman"? That would raise his approval rating and demoralize Democrats for sure. That said, if Trump really is Satan's homeboy, there is a bit more to that action, whether staged or real, than meets the eye.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? - Revelation 13:3-4 King James Version (KJV)

If these "Evangelical Christian Leadership" lickspittle lackeys are NOW willing to stoop to the following, image their fervor after their hero recovers from a "Socialist/Leftist/DemocRAT/Commie Conspiracy to do God's anointed" in.
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The antichrist recovers from a terrible injury Revelation 13:3

A beast normally means a strong wild animal, but this beast is a special description of the antichrist. The antichrist is an evil ruler who will gain control over the whole world shortly before Christ’s return.

The antichrist’s power and authority will become very great, but then something terrible will happen. In the word-picture, John describes this as a terrible injury to one of the beast’s seven heads. That could mean a physical injury or a loss of power. It will seem as if the antichrist cannot recover. However, the antichrist will recover by the devil’s power; in fact, he will become even stronger. Now his authority over the whole world will be complete.

There is nothing attractive about the word-pictures that John uses to mean the devil and the antichrist. John refers to the devil as the ‘dragon’. A dragon was the worst kind of wild animal that people could imagine. John calls the antichrist (Christ’s enemy who leads the whole world to follow the devil), the ‘beast’. A beast means a wild animal; John’s description of this beast is very terrible and awful.

However, people give honour here not to God, but to the devil and to the antichrist. They praise them not because of anything good, but because they are so evil. They praise the antichrist because he is so cruel and powerful. They have seen how his terrible injury healed (verse 3). Now they believe that nobody - not even God - will be able to defeat him.

They praise the devil because he gave the antichrist authority to rule the whole world. It is the natural result of every evil act that the devil receives honour. However, this is much worse, because the people are praising the devil on purpose. We have already read that people would give honour to evil spirits and to images (9:20). Now they will choose the devil himself to be their god. They have believed a powerful lie (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12). They imagine that the devil will support them in their war against God (see Psalm 2:1-3). They believe that the devil and the antichrist are, together, powerful enough to defeat God. Of course, this idea is completely wrong.

http://www.usefulbible.com/revelation/antichrist-recovers-from-terrible-injury.htm

A Prophetic Song About The Words of the Prophets (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/general-discussion/end-times-according-to-the-judeo-christian-bible/msg14247/#msg14247)

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Title: While they are not quite the majority in the USA, they are a significant percentage of the populatio
Post by: AGelbert on November 10, 2019, 03:09:04 pm

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Smartphones Are Killing The Planet Faster Than Anyone Expected (https://www.fastcompany.com/90165365/smartphones-are-wrecking-the-planet-faster-than-anyone-expected)

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“We’re Americans, And We’re Fascists”: Inside Patriot Front (https://unicornriot.ninja/2018/americans-fascists-inside-patriot-front/)

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US The Only Country That Measures Poverty By Fifty Year Old Measure (https://popularresistance.org/us-the-only-country-that-measures-poverty-by-fifty-year-old-measure/)

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Victor-Bulmer Thomas: The US Empire is in Retreat
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It is good to know my stubborn consistent claim (i.e. the only phone I need is the one connected to a land line) is better for the biosphere than buying a "smart" ::) phone. Gandhi said the following:

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My wife and I have always done our best to do that. I am sure that is sine qua non to our happiness in the afterlife. It gives us peace of mind. However, due to the massive wave of selfishness and greed enveloping our species in these times, that has not done SQUAT to make the world a cleaner, safer, better place.

For a time I thought it would. I was wrong. But, that takes nothing away from the validity of Gandhi's words. There is no hope for human civilization as long as people are more concerned with this life than they are with being a success in the afterlife. WHY? Because, as long everything a person DOES is predicated on the probability of a successful outcome in this plane of existence, the only logical behavior is cowardly self interest (i.e. "Might equals Right").   

I am past three score and ten. I can tell you that I have had to interact carefully, just to survive, with American Fascists since I was a kid in Kansas. While it is true that most of them branded themselves using other labels (Southerners, Republicans, John Birchers, Libertarians, Capitalists, Supply Siders, Trickle Down "Theory" Proponents, Moral Majority, "Christians" - in name only, Reagan Democrats, etc.), their joy in finding new and "better" ways to single out anyone that wasn't part of the "in crowd" for gratuitous mocking, micro-aggressions, ostracism, orchestrated penury through preventing the hiring of to good jobs, trumped up charges resulting in firing from good jobs, and/or in-your-face cruelty identifies them.

While they are not quite the majority in the USA, they are a significant percentage of the population. They are MOSTLY NOT, as many left leaning people with big hearts claim, confused, uneducated, ignorantly racist or unenlightened; they know exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it. Evidence of that is their consistent good neighborly care and consideration for those who they consider part of the "in crowd".

They are simply evil, which is another word for coward. Scratch a bully, and just below the surface you'll find a coward.

The American Empire may be in retreat, but EVIL among humans in America (and the rest of the world) is on the march, not retreating.

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Title: Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
Post by: AGelbert on November 10, 2019, 03:58:20 pm
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This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. - 2 Timothy 3:1

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Timothy 3:4-5

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 2019

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WILLIAM RIVERS PITT, TRUTHOUT

Donald Trump is desperate and cornered. What better balm for a man afflicted with rampant egotism than to hear from a "holy person" that he has been chosen to wear the mantle of Heaven, and that all who oppose him are not merely wrong, but an offense to God? Televangelist Paula White is now on the White House payroll, and she has launched an initiative to pray away impeachment.

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Title: MegaChurch Prosperity Preaching False Prophets Fleecing the Flock
Post by: AGelbert on December 03, 2019, 02:49:32 pm
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Fleecing the Flock: A Snapshot of America's Richest Pastors (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/paperbacktheology/2012/01/fleecing-the-flock-a-snapshot-of-americas-richest-pastors.html)
patheos.com - Flies around in a $17.5 Jet, lives in a $6 million lakefront mansion with a 1,500 acre campus and a private airstrip. He and his wife make over $655,000 a year in salary alone. It’s not clear whether…

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Kenneth Copeland – Copeland Ministries Flies around in a $17.5 Jet, lives in a $6 million lakefront mansion with a 1,500 acre campus and a private airstrip. He and his wife make over $655,000 a year in salary alone. It’s not clear whether this includes speaking fees, book royalties, and “love offerings.” Creflo Dollar – World Changers Church International Drives a Rolls-Royce and lives in a Million dollar home in Atlanta, and a 2.5 million-dollar apartment in Manhattan. Dollar will not release his salary information. John Hagee – Cornerstone Church His last released salary was nearly $1 million per year (2004). Hagee does not release his earnings anymore. Charles Blake – West Angeles Church of God in Christ Owns a 10,000 square foot mansion in Beverly Hills (btw his congregation hails mostly from impoverished South Central LA) His year salary is $900,000 per year. Benny Hinn – Miracle Worker (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sick/barfing-smiley-emoticon.gif) In 1997 he admitted to making between $500k & $1 million dollars per year Joel Osteen – Lakewood Church Stopped taking his $200,000 salary several years ago. Makes tens of millions off of his numerous books. Joel & family live in a $10.5 million – get this – 17,000 square foot mansion. Treasures in heaven people. Bishop Eddie Long – New Birth Missionary Baptist Church Long made over $3 million in a three year period from 1997 to 2000. He drives a Bentley, and lives in a 1.4 million dollar home on 20 acres. An investigation into his non profit showed he made more than $1 million dollars from them on top of his church income. No doubt some of that went toward his legal fees in 2011.Ed Young – Fellowship Church Dot Com Lives in a 10k square foot 1.5 million dollar home. He gets paid a cool $1 million dollars a year, plus a $240,000 parsonage allowance. That doesn’t count the royalties he makes off of his recent Sexperiment. color=maroon]Franklin Graham – Billy Graham Evangelistic Association[/color] In 2008 he reportedly made 1.2 million dollars. Your father should slap your face Franklin. Rick Warren – Saddleback Church
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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. -- 1 John 2:3-4

There is a special place in Hell for the evil bastards, posing as Christian Pastors, who run the MegaChurches (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png) pushing the "greed is good" Prosperity Preaching Doctrine of Demons in the USA. Those evil bastards and their supporters laugh when they read comments like mine. They never did take anything written in the Bible they sanctimoniously (selectively (http://drphilyerboots.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/cherry-picking.jpg)) quote seriously, so that is no surprise. Here's an Old Testament quote, that you will NEVER hear in a MegaChurch, that describes these "Pastor" Servants of Satan perfectly:

For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth. The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts. His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them. He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity. His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity. He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor. He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net. He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones. He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it. Psalm 10:4-11

Yeah, they think the world is their oyster. Something tells me that, very soon now, they are going to be very disappointed. In fact, the way things are going (i.e. (https://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/2/3-081019223703.jpeg)) in the world today, several of those evil bastards on the list will experience a well deserved dose of justice before they finish their blasphemous soul of perdition demonic tour of duty on Earth. 
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"With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him."Daniel 11:32
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For the needy shall not always be forgotten: the expectation of the poor shall not perish for ever. -- Psalm 9:18
Title: They went out from us, but they were not of us; ...
Post by: AGelbert on December 03, 2019, 03:15:53 pm

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Fleecing the Flock: A Snapshot of America's Richest Pastors (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/paperbacktheology/2012/01/fleecing-the-flock-a-snapshot-of-americas-richest-pastors.html)
patheos.com - Flies around in a $17.5 Jet, lives in a $6 million lakefront mansion with a 1,500 acre campus and a private airstrip. He and his wife make over $655,000 a year in salary alone. It’s not clear whether…

Read more Doomstead Diner Daily 12/2/19 (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/general-discussion/doomstead-diner-daily/msg14643/#msg14643) (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-120818180835-16281948.gif) (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-130418200416.png)
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. -- 1 John 2:3-4

There is a special place in Hell for the evil bastards, posing as Christian Pastors, who run the MegaChurches (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png) pushing the "greed is good" Prosperity Preaching Doctrine of Demons in the USA. Those evil bastards and their supporters laugh when they read comments like mine. They never did take anything written in the Bible they sanctimoniously (selectively (http://drphilyerboots.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/cherry-picking.jpg)) quote seriously, so that is no surprise. Here's an Old Testament quote, that you will NEVER hear in a MegaChurch, that describes these "Pastor" Servants of Satan perfectly:

For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth. The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts. His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them. He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity. His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity. He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor. He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net. He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones. He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it. Psalm 10:4-11



I could not agree more.

Such quotes are studiously ignored as they preach the "prosperity gospel."


Yep. The early Christian Church had their number (Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. -- 1 John 2:15). Real Christians still do.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. -- 1 John 2:18-19