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Energy => Renewables => Topic started by: AGelbert on October 10, 2013, 11:01:09 pm


Title: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 10, 2013, 11:01:09 pm
Future Transport Solutions Will Require More Than Electric Cars


University of Vermont assistant professor Richard Watts believes policies need to be implemented that dis-incentivize car use and encourage other forms of mobility: walking, biking, public transit, car-pooling.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

It certainly is fun to slip behind the wheel of an electric car. But if we aim to build a truly more sustainable transportation system, one that reduces greenhouse gas emissions AND addresses other social, physical and environmental impacts, we have to get out of our cars and use other forms of transportation.

Electric cars should be part of the solution — but the focus should be first on reducing use, providing real alternatives to the car, building communities that enable walking and biking, and living in ways that reduce our auto-dependence.

Borrowing the electricity heuristic of “negawatts” from Amory Lovins: The cleanest, greenest, cheapest mile is the “nega-mile,” the mile not driven in a car.

Yes, electric cars are cool. I’ve spent hundreds of hours behind the wheel of these peppy, quiet vehicles as the former director of an electric car research and demonstration project in Vermont.

And the promise of solving our transportation challenges — one-third of greenhouse gas emissions, for example — by simply switching fuels is alluring. President Obama has called for 1 million electric cars by 2015.

State policymakers also have embraced the idea. Vermont’s Comprehensive Energy Plan calls for 90 percent renewable energy by 2050, in all sectors, identifying electric cars as a core strategy: “The state considers that the conversion of Vermont’s vehicle fleet to plug-in electric vehicles, including hybrids, is the best long-term path to reduce transportation fuel consumption by light-duty vehicles” (CEP, Volume 2, page 259).

Switching fuels in our cars allows life to go on as-is, and potentially “plug in” to cleaner energy. Anything else would be a major disruption.

For example more than three-quarters of us drive alone to work every day. Of the billions of trips made every day, more than eight out of 10 of them are in a motor vehicle, according to the Federal Highway Administration.
(See the administration’s 2009 National Household Travel Survey at http://bit.ly/NHTS2009 for a data-driven look at our automobile addiction.)

Technology solutions are easier for policymakers, because they don’t require behavior change. But switching fuels does not address other issues associated with driving, such as the impacts on human health, land use and the social fabric of our communities.

For example, sociologist Robert Putnam found that every additional 10 minutes spent driving cuts community involvement by 10 percent: “The car and the commute ... are bad for community life” (“Bowling Alone,” page 213).

And what about the almost 10 percent of households that don’t own vehicles? Or the elderly who outlive their ability to drive a car? And young people, without access to activities without a car? Do we really want to endorse a car-centered world?

This is the problem with switching vehicle fuels as a central transportation strategy. You can’t endorse and fund an auto-centered system and also expect other modes — walking, biking, public transit, car-pooling — to thrive.

In Vermont, for example, we spent less than 8 percent of the total transportation budget (about $450 million in 2010) on providing alternatives to personal vehicle travel (UVM Transportation Research Center Energy Report, page 16: Table 5-2).

Imagine for a minute if we spent $400 million on providing real alternatives to automobiles? If we gave people real choices? Safe sidewalks, more frequent bus service, roads that were safe for bikers?

Instead of automobiles (whatever they run on), we should put “nega-miles” at the center of our sustainable transportation planning.

And here is the hopeful news. Even in a place like Vermont, according to an analysis by the TRC, 39 percent of all trips were less than two miles, and one-quarter were less than a mile  :o (TRC Energy Report, page 11).

Some higher percent of those trips could be/should be captured by other modes. But it will take policies that dis-incentivize car use and focus on behavior — charging the real cost for parking, for example — that will challenge the existing system.

http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=31446
Title: Fueled vs Electric Cars: The Great Race Begins
Post by: AGelbert on October 11, 2013, 07:27:16 pm
Fuel vs Electric Cars: The Great Race Begins
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 Thomas Blakeslee 
 August 26, 2013  |  72 Comments

The amazing success of the Tesla model S proves that electric cars may have a chance of replacing liquid fueled vehicles in the long run. Skeptics point out that most of our electric power today comes from coal, which is dirty and inefficient. We must change to clean, renewable energy sources but is that really practical? The Tesla has proven that we can use photovoltaic solar power to recharge pure electric cars. Let’s calculate how much land is needed to renewably fuel a car using several possible electrical and biofuel approaches.

I recently purchased a Chevy Volt plug-in hybrid car. It is the perfect laboratory for this experiment because it can run on pure electricity or as a gasoline hybrid. In the electric mode it can go 38 miles on a 10.8 kilowatt-hour recharge. That’s 3.5 miles per kilowatt hour. Allowing for power transmission and charging losses, let's use 3 mi/kWh. I will compare the land use efficiency of several real approaches to renewable power using both liquid fuel and electricity. We will calculate the number of miles per year that can be driven using an acre of land to produce the power. We can then compare the miles/year/acre numbers for some real-world renewable energy approaches

Full article with knock down drag out comments war here:  :o  ;D

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2013/08/fueled-vs-electric-cars-the-great-race-begins-10
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 21, 2013, 03:43:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IElqf-FCMs8&feature=player_embedded
750 horsepower electric car

One horsepower = 0.745699872 kilowatts

This car has FOUR 138 KW MOTORS (one on each wheel with its own individual drive mechanism). The cornering ability at high speeds is beyond belief! They can alter torque instantly (without braking - something not possible in an ICE car) to improve cornering.
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2013, 06:18:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WypZvsIj8-k&feature=player_embedded
Way too pricey  :P but this quiet, maintenance free machine is definitely the wave of the future.   8)
Title: When Gasoline Stations are NO MORE
Post by: AGelbert on October 31, 2013, 07:11:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp6Rf_wS02c&feature=player_embedded
The Germans are not waiting for the fossil fuelers and nuke pukes to realize that unsustanable dirty energy has to go. In the video above, everyting you see is technologically possible NOW. The video is a trip to a future when gasoline stations are part of our fossil fuel folly energy PAST.
If gasoline stations are to survive at all, they will have to be renewable energy ethanol fuel stations instead.  8)
Title: California Deploying First All-Electric School Bus
Post by: AGelbert on November 02, 2013, 02:22:28 am
California Deploying First All-Electric School Bus

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11/04/2013 

 Clean Edge News

New all-electric Type A school buses will hit the road in 2014, due to a collaboration between Trans Tech Bus, and Motiv Power Systems. Called the SST-e, the first all-electric school bus developed in the partnership will go to Kings Canyon Unified School District, in the San Joaquin Valley of California. The bus is funded in part by the California Air Resources Board AB 118 Air Quality Improvement Program Electric School Bus Demonstration Project. The new SST-e bus was revealed at the 2013 National Association for Pupil Transportation (NAPT) Annual Summit in Grand Rapids, MI.

The buses are built on Ford E450 chassis, utilizing the all-battery, all-chassis compatible Motiv electric Powertrain Control System (ePCS).The ePCS is installed as a Ford ship-through chassis modification similar to a Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) modification, enabling minimal changes between the fossil fuel and electric versions of the school buses. Passenger capacity for the Trans Tech/Motiv SST-e all-electric school buses is up to 32 students for this Type A bus, or 24 students and 1 wheelchair.

 

"An electric bus can save a school district about 16 gallons of fuel a day, or around $11,000 in fuel savings over a year, not to mention maintenance savings," said John Phraner President of Trans Tech. "We are very excited to continue to help school districts reduce their transportation budgets and are committed to opening the market for the all-electric school bus."

 

The SST-e buses are built on Ford E450 chassis, using the Motiv ePCS, which is compatible with a wide variety of chassis and batteries. The ePCS allows buses to be compatible with any battery currently on the market or available in the future. Additionally, one pack can be replaced without replacing all the batteries on the vehicle. The new all-electric SST-e school buses are available with four or five battery packs, providing districts with range options of 80 or 100 miles.

 

With Motiv's onboard fast charging technology the buses can reach 50 percent charge in under an hour and full charge in 8 hours. Motiv's low-cost 3-phase fast charging, requires minimal building modifications and no expensive charging stations. The buses are also equipped with telemetry systems, providing real-time route data and preventive maintenance reports to fleet managers. The cloud stored data can be viewed on the web and on smart phones, helping them manage improved driver performance and safety management.

 

"Our system is battery agnostic, it 'future-proofs' fleets against changes in the battery market, such as discontinued batteries or future improved technology," said Jim Castelaz Founder and CEO of Motiv. "This makes a Motiv equipped bus the most flexible and customizable all-electric powertrain for trucks on the market. We are thrilled the ePCS will be assisting schools get the most out of their transportation dollars, while at the same time educating children on clean transportation."


http://www.cleanedge.com/Resources/news/California-Deploying-First-All-Electric-School-Bus
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on November 03, 2013, 07:38:25 pm
Orlando Launches Electric Car Rental to Win Hearts and Minds(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-object-081.gif)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD6OIqypz0I&feature=player_embedded

Mickey Mouse is on board.

Katherine Tweed:

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Orlando-Launches-Electric-Car-Rental-to-Win-Hearts-and-Minds

Another nail in the Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) coffin. Once millions of people on vacation have driven an electric car, they will never want an ICE car again!  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/8.gif)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on November 08, 2013, 04:01:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7lVQDFOSaI&feature=player_embedded

If they can get this into production, it will massively boost EV sales. I hope they do well. The EV is THE thransport of the future!  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on November 21, 2013, 10:15:34 pm
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Scooter That Can Haul Some Serious Cargo, From Lit Motors


The Kickstarter page for kubo starts with this line: “Like a pickup truck on two wheels, kubo carries you and your daily essentials anywhere you want to go. And it’s electric!”

What I think the Lit Motors squad really nails is combining the fun of electric scooters with serious utility and wonderful style. I love its products, and can’t wait to test one out!

The crew at Lit Motors adds: “We’re big fans of two-wheeled vehicles here at Lit, but we found existing motor scooters lacking. They make carrying anything a hassle, and we couldn’t find a good quality electric scooter anywhere. So as a side project during our free time, we decided to make our own!”

Derek Markham, writing over on TreeHugger, has some details:


Designed and built as a side project, the idea for the kubo came about because they “couldn’t find a good quality electric scooter anywhere”. This 100% electric scooter looks a bit odd, when compared to traditional moped and scooter designs, but that’s because it’s made specifically to haul more than just a person. The 22″ square cargo area within the frame of the scooter has loops, hooks, and rails to secure your gear while in transport, and the kubo can handle up to 300 lb (rider’s weight plus the cargo).

kubo has a top speed of 45 mph, and a range of 50 miles per full charge. The onboard charger can be plugged into any standard outlet and is said to charge the scooter “in a few hours”.

I could see kubo doing very well, but the first hump it has to climb is a $300,000 crowdfunding target set by the Lit Motors crew on Kickstarter. Head on over there to help it out.

For more cool scooter stories, I’d recommend the excellent collection over at Gas2. For the hottest EV news, definitely keep an eye on our EV category or even subscribe to our free EV newsletter.

Read more at http://cleantechnica.com/2013/11/21/scooter-can-haul-serious-cargo-lit-motors/#ZTptocQxjttRghu4.99
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on November 25, 2013, 12:40:10 am
11/21/2013 02:32 PM     

Nissan's Electric Leaf is Profitable(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185850.gif)


SustainableBusiness.com News

 
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In great news for electric cars, Nissan says its electric Leaf is profitable now, and they are ramping up US production.

 Cutting the price helped a lot - since the $6000 cut on the sticker price, demand has been growing. And the Leaf is the top reason customers are referred to the Nissan brand, Jose Munoz, Senior Vice President of Americas sales and marketing told reporters at an automotive conference, reports Reuters.

"From a purely attraction and branding point of view it's already a very good car," he says.

When Nissan shifted manufacturing of the Leaf from Japan to the US it was able to cut the price by more than $6,000, bringing the sticker price to $29,650.

 Since then, more than 2000 Leafs have sold per month, up from 9800 for all of 2012. There are 34,000 Leafs on US roads today and 75,000 worldwide. It has a 75-mile range, rated at 115 miles per gallon equivalent. 


Meanwhile, BMW, which just delivered its first electric car in Germany, says it already has orders for 10,000 cars. Its i8 plug-in hybrid sports car, which debuts in mid-2014, is sold out.  :o  ;D


And Volkswagen announced it will electrify all segments of its car lines by equipping manufacturing plants with standardized assembly kits.

"We are able to produce cars on the same assembly line, bumper-to-bumper, with conventional, electrified, and CNG powertrains. This flexible strategy enables us to react fast and cost-efficiently to actual demand and thus reduces risks," says Rudolf Krebs, VW's Commissioner for Electric Drive Systems.

By 2014, VW will have 14 models of hybrids, plug-in hybrids and all-electrics. As demand rises, they will be able to outfit up to 40 models with alternative drivetrains. The company - which plans to manufacture batteries in-house - has hired 400 experts and trained 70,000 employees in e-mobility development, production, and servicing, says Krebs.

"The objective of the program is to continuously improve the environmental compatibility of the production process," explains Peter Bosch, Head of Strategy, Processes and Organizational Structures. By 2018, waste, energy, water consumption, solvents and carbon emissions will be down 25%, while renewable energy will increasingly power factories. 

Last year, plug-in and electric cars were the fastest growing segment of the US automotive industry, but carmakers still rely on larger, conventional cars for their profits.   :P

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25362?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SBGeneralNews+%28SustainableBusiness.com+General+News%29
Title: Norway Electric Car Sales Hit 12% Of Total Car Sales In November
Post by: AGelbert on December 05, 2013, 06:04:07 pm
Record: :o  Norway Electric Car Sales Hit 12% Of Total Car Sales In November  ;D
 
Originally published on EV Obsession.

Norway-Loves-Electric-Vehicles
Norway crushes it in market penetration of electric cars, already hitting about 4% of the market (primarily through the availability and sale of just 2 electric car models).
Slide credit: Francisco Carranza, Manager of Corporate Planning at Nissan Europe.
Photo credit: Zachary Shahan / EV Obsession / CleanTechnica

You may have caught my story the other day pointing out that the top-selling car in Norway two months in a row was an electric car (the Tesla Model S in October and the Nissan Leaf in November). Unfortunately, they didn’t top the list again in November; however, the overall share of electric car sales was the highest to date.

1,434 of Norway’s 12,079 new vehicle registrations in November were for electric cars. That amounts to a 12% market share, even considerably more than in September (8.6%) and October (7.2%).

Furthermore, the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Model S did both make it into the top 10. The Model S was #2 at 527 registrations and the Nissan Leaf was at #5 with 512 registrations (just a 15-car difference). The Volkswagen (VW) Golf took the top spot with 666 sales, an apt number for the slightly downbeat news.

2014 should be a very interesting year. The BMW i3 and the VW e-Up! are coming to the Norwegian market, and I think also the Renault Zoe and Renault Fluence ZE, and the i3 and e-Up! reportedly already have over 1,000 orders each!

Note that electric car sales in the US are still far below 1% of total car sales.

Stay tuned for some even more uplifting Norway electric car news, including some exclusive interviews with EV leaders in Norway.

Read more at http://cleantechnica.com/2013/12/05/record-norway-electric-car-sales-hit-12-total-car-sales-november/#YfagmwGQO0CszwzP.99
Title: Mitsubishi i-MiEV now priced ridiculously low at $22,995, before incentives
Post by: AGelbert on December 05, 2013, 09:48:53 pm
Mitsubishi i-MiEV now priced ridiculously low at $22,995, before incentives

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The Mitsubishi i-MiEV has long be the Spartan contender in the US plug-in vehicle scene. It's basic electric transportation with a low-ish price tag. If you don't want any frills with your zero-emission car, the i was the way to go.

The i started its sales life in 2011 with a $27,990 price tag, but that was jacked up by $1,135 a few months later because of "unforeseen changes in market conditions." Even with the increase, the i was on the lower end of the available EV price list and there were times when the Mitsubishi i was an even better electric bargain. Earlier this year, some dealers put $10,000 rebates on the hood, but that wasn't a national program.

2013, though, was the year for plug-in vehicle price drops, with the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Volt both losing thousands from their MSRPs. So, it really shouldn't come as a surprise that the i is also shedding dollars: Mitsubishi has announced that the 2014 i will starts at a price that's $6,130 less than the outgoing 2012 model. The new, pre-incentive price? $22,995. Factor in the $7,500 federal tax credit and you can be looking at a brand new EV for $15,495.

To go along with the price drop, Mitsubishi is adding many standard features, making the plain car a little less difficult to enjoy. Heated front seats, a charge port lamp, leather steering wheel and "numerous decorative color/trim upgrades" should make the i more comfortable. On the technology front, a Chademo DC quick charge port and a battery warming system should help with range questions. You can see a full list of upgrades in the press release below.

Oh, and the company is now calling the i the i-MiEV in the press release, so we should assume that shortened name is finished, then?

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/12/04/mitsubishi-i-miev-priced-ridiculously-low-22995/ (http://green.autoblog.com/2013/12/04/mitsubishi-i-miev-priced-ridiculously-low-22995/)
Title: Global electric vehicle sales will jump 48% each year through 2020
Post by: AGelbert on December 05, 2013, 09:51:08 pm
Global electric vehicle sales will jump 48% each year through 2020


By  Danny King RSS feed 

Posted Oct 11th 2013 7:50PM

If ABI Research is correct, our monthly math fest that is the green car sales report will soon take longer to add up. That's because ABI's recent report says that almost 2.4 million battery-electric vehicles will be sold worldwide in 2020, estimating that EV sales (excluding plug-in hybrids and extended-range plug-ins) will jump 48 percent a year through the end of the decade. That means that the estimated 150,000 EVs expected to be sold globally this year will increase to 2.36 million in 2020, with Asia Pacific representing the fastest regional growth rate.

 While EV sales have been what ABI calls "disappointing" so far, governmental support in the form of subsidies, infrastructure funding and concessions such as free parking, solo driving in high-occupancy vehicle lanes and congestion-zone toll exemptions will start boosting EV adoption during the next few years. The broader adoption of wireless charging and smart-grid usage will also move things along for the battery-electric driving set.

 While automakers continue to add EV models, just two – the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Model S – are sold in the US with any sort of substantial numbers. Through the first nine months of the year, Nissan tripled year-earlier sales to 16,076 units. And while Tesla doesn't report monthly sales, the Model S moved about 9,900 units during the first half of the year. The company is expected to release third-quarter results early next month.
 Check out ABI's press release below (at link).


http://green.autoblog.com/2013/10/11/global-electric-vehicle-sales-will-jump-48-each-year-through-20/ (http://green.autoblog.com/2013/10/11/global-electric-vehicle-sales-will-jump-48-each-year-through-20/)
Title: $12,000 Colibri EV Set For Launch In Germany
Post by: AGelbert on December 07, 2013, 03:06:11 pm
$12,000 Colibri EV Set For Launch In Germany  ;D



Originally published on Gas2.
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Buying a car anywhere isn’t cheap (except maybe for India), though there is a growing market for cheap transportation in an increasingly expensive world. It is notoriously expensive to buy a new car in Europe, though a small electric car company plans to launch a $12,000 city EV sometime in 2015, and if such a car can succeed anywhere, it’s Europe.

The Colibri is a German-built electric car with a goal-price of just 8,831 euros, or about $12,000 U.S., as well as a $74 monthly battery rental fee. Equipped with a tiny 6 kWh battery pack, the Colibri is strictly a city commuter, with room for a single person and a few bags of groceries. Weighing in at less than a thousand pounds, the Colibri claims a range of 68 miles per charge, and can scoot from 0 to 60 mph in less than 10 seconds. Despite its size, the designers claim it can comfortably fit people up to 6 feet 3 inches tall.

While the top speed is limited to 74 mph, most drivers probably won’t even come close to maxing out this miniscule EV. A full charge takes just two hours from a Level 2 charger, and you can supposedly squeeze two of these tiny cars into a normal parking space. There are no plans to sell the Colibri in the U.S., and a planned 2014 launch date was pushed back to 2015.

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Though a car seems difficult to find a market for, Europe’s best-selling EV is similarly designed and priced. I am talking about the Renault Twizy, which doesn’t even have a fully-closed cockpit, but has found plenty of urban buyers looking for an alternative to mass transit. If the Colibri makes it to market, it could find a decent following, though America is still many years (and much higher gas prices) from embracing such a small, limited-use vehicle.

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/12/07/12000-colibri-ev-set-for-launch-in-germany/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29
Title: All about EV batteries
Post by: AGelbert on December 08, 2013, 10:18:05 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84oseQR1jpY&feature=player_embedded
Informative and educational video on EV batteries. He talks slow but he is very knowledgeable. He explains the differences in weight and power output discharge slope between a Lithium Ion and a lead acid type battery. The lithium, for the same amount of power and a very flat, reliable discharge slope, weighs half as much. This is a big deal because the lead acid package weighs in at over 700 pounds! :o

They also can be severely discharged and still be recharged successfully. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185701.png)
 

This is video 6 of a several videos on a conversion of a Karmann Ghia Volkswagon ICE powered car to an EV.


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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 17, 2013, 02:12:19 pm

Electric Car Leader Accepts California’s Highest Honor (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)

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Paul Scott
 
Paul Scott is one of the standout leaders in the EV revolution. He is the co-founder of the highly regarded organization Plug In America, and he has done a tremendous job hitting the ground to an even greater degree and selling Nissan Leafs at the Nissan of Downtown Los Angeles dealership.

Last week, Paul accepted a 2013 Governor’s Environmental and Economic Leadership Award (GEELA) from the state of California on behalf of the LA Nissan dealership. The dealership was one of 13 winners for this prestigious environmental award.

I think the director of “Who Killed the Electric Car?” and “Revenge of the Electric Car” summarizes the general consensus on Paul quite well:

“Paul is one of the most dedicated activists and educators I have ever met for both electric cars and solar,” said Chris Paine, said. “He knows the issues, he’s passionate and takes personal risks, he puts his money where his mouth is, he’s tireless even when exhausted, and he walks the walk. He truly is one of California’s finest assets and I’ve met a lot of people in my 20 years here. He not only believes, he’s making it happen.” (http://www.clker.com/cliparts/c/8/f/8/11949865511933397169thumbs_up_nathan_eady_01.svg.hi.png)

The press release adds more noteworthy comments on Scott and the associations he is a critical part of: “A founding board member of Plug In America, the nonprofit organization widely credited as critically instrumental in bringing EVs back into auto showrooms, Scott helped bring about installation at Nissan of Downtown L.A. of one of the area’s first EV quick chargers, which LEAF and other EV drivers may use for free around the clock. He helped organize several EV ride-and-drives at large local corporations, and trains the dealership’s staff—which boasts one of the nation’s highest LEAF ownership rates—about the environmental, economic and national security benefits of EVs outlined in the documentary about his ill-fated lunch with President Barack Obama.”

Nissan of Downtown LA is apparently planning to install a large solar carport for charging its EVs. No doubt, Scott was a critical part of that move. As he says, the dealership can now sell all of its EVs on a “full tank of sunshine.”

You can find more details about the honor and more comments from Paul in the Plug In America press release.

Hear Paul and another noted EV advocate, Nicolas Zart, talk about EVs and autonomous cars in this recent interview at National Plug In Day 2013 in Los Angeles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHEsLynSuFA&feature=player_embedded


Read more about or from Paul Scott on our Paul Scott channel. Keep up with all the hottest EV news here on CleanTechnica, and subscribe to our free EV newsletter if you like getting your news in your inbox.

Btw, here’s another special treat (http://www.boredpanda.com/cute-baby-animals-mini-me/) from the PR person who sent me the above press release. Enjoy!

Image Credit: Nissan


http://cleantechnica.com/2013/12/17/electric-car-leader-accepts-californias-highest-honor/#5t9q4r4LO1jSCxBE.99

Agelbert NOTE:That Nissan Nitmo has the same Leaf drive train but weighs only 2,000 lbs versus 3,400 for the production Leaf. The Nitmo can turn 90 DEGREES at 50 MPH!

For the fossil fuelers that question my "parabolic to exponential" projection of Renewable Energy growth to 2035, listen to Paul provide a (just one tiny part of my projection research) RELEVANT DATA CLUE (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png) for you -   Attending crowd growth at the annual event in the video.   (http://www.imgion.com/images/01/Angry-animated-smiley.jpg)   (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg)


Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 24, 2013, 03:20:39 pm
CURRENT Spread Sheet EVs available in the USA (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsDzwXJeEr1pdDY4Tk5pSE9LMmZzQ01vSXh3QVZqTlE#gid=4)
Title: Are Electric Vehicles Already Halfway to Market Dominance?
Post by: AGelbert on December 27, 2013, 02:39:09 pm
Are Electric Vehicles Already Halfway to Market Dominance?  ;D

 Tam Hunt, Contributor 
 December 16, 2013

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/12/are-electric-vehicles-already-halfway-to-market-dominance
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 03, 2014, 03:27:26 pm
Green Machines (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185047.png)


Trucks Alternative Power Hybrid Electric
 
Reposition Your Fleet

You stop. You go. You generate power along the way. You save fuel. Freightliner Trucks’ Business Class® M2 106 diesel-electric hybrid trucks are a perfect solution for stop-and-go and high-idling vocational operations. Whether using the hybrid system’s electric motor to launch the vehicle or its electronic power take-off (ePTO) capability, you’re adding green to your bottom line, while going green through reduced fuel consumption.


Day Cab: Hybrid
 
Specs

GVW up to 55,000 lbs
 
Horsepower 200 to 325 HP

Torque 520 to 750 lb/ft


When you invest in our M2 106 Hybrid trucks, you not only benefit from the powerful combination of product knowledge, resources and service/support systems—you're also backed by the advanced technological expertise of Daimler Trucks North America, LLC and global parent company, Daimler AG. Daimler is shaping future transportation through hybrid electric truck initiatives focused on providing greater fuel economy and lower emissions.

The Performance You Need


Powered by the Cummins ISB 6.7 liter engine with a variety of horsepower/torque ratings up to 325 hp/750 ft lb torque, the M2 106 Hybrid comes with the Eaton parallel-electric hybrid system. This system features a 6-speed UltraShift transmission, coupled with an electric motor that provides up to an additional 60 hp and 310 ft lb torque at peak.

The M2 106 Hybrid with the Eaton® parallel-electric hybrid system is a proven business tool that positions your company as an industry and environmental leader.



Standard Advantages—and then Some


Available in truck and tractor configurations, Freightliner M2 106 Hybrid trucks not only give you the standard advantages of the Business Class M2 106 like superior maneuverability, visibility, and body builder friendliness, but also a business solution that reduces fuel consumption and adds to your bottom line.

This versatile, hardworking hybrid electric truck is perfect for:
High stop-and-go applications including pick-up and delivery and food and beverage
Vocational applications such as dump, HAZMAT, utility and towing

Reduce Idling Time


Optional electronic power take off (ePTO) capability makes M2 106 Hybrid trucks ideal for high-idling applications such as utility and tree trimming. Idle time is reduced up to 87% and fuel consumption up to 60% in ePTO mode.

Add the optional 5 kW auxiliary power generation (APG) unit and realize additional savings. The APG unit provides AC power for lights, tools or refrigeration units using only the power stored in the lithium ion batteries.

How Do Hybrid Electric Trucks Work?


1.The Eaton parallel-electric hybrid system enables these electric trucks to operate using the diesel engine alone, or in combination with the hybrid-electric motor.

2.The hybrid system’s electric motor provides additional power (up to 60 hp) to launch the vehicle, improving fuel economy in stop-and-go operations.



3.The hybrid system’s lithium-ion batteries are recharged through a process called regenerative braking. During braking, the hybrid electric trucks’ kinetic energy is captured and regenerated to charge the hybrid battery. Regenerative braking captures up to 44kW (or 60hp), power that normally is absorbed by the foundation brakes and lost as heat.


4.The all new engine-off-at-stop feature provides up to 8% additional fuel savings. When the service brake is applied, at a stop light for example, the engine turns off. When the service brake is released, the engine restarts.


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https://www.freightlinertrucks.com/Trucks/Alternative-Power-Trucks/Hybrid-Electric/

NOW THEN, if we could (and believe me, we CAN!)  run these babies on BIODIESEL, that would be THAT for fossil fuels, now wouldn't it?   (http://www.imgion.com/images/01/Angry-animated-smiley.jpg)            (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png) 

Title: SunPower and Ford Team on Gridless EV
Post by: AGelbert on January 04, 2014, 01:47:41 pm
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SunPower and Ford Team on Gridless EV


01/06/2014 

 Clean Edge News

Ford Motor Company has announced the C-MAX Solar Energi Concept, which it says is the first-of-its-kind sun-powered vehicle.

Instead of powering its battery from an electrical outlet, Ford C-MAX Solar Energi Concept harnesses the power of the sun by using a special concentrator that acts like a magnifying glass, directing intense rays to solar panels on the vehicle roof.

The result is a concept vehicle that takes a day’s worth of sunlight to deliver the same performance as the conventional C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid, which draws its power from the electric grid. Ford C-MAX Energi gets a combined best miles per gallon equivalent in its class, with EPA-estimated 108 MPGe city and 92 MPGe highway, for a combined 100 MPGe. By using renewable power, Ford C-MAX Solar Energi Concept is estimated to reduce the annual greenhouse gas emissions a typical owner would produce by four metric tons.

C-MAX Solar Energi Concept, which will be shown at the 2014 International CES in Las Vegas, is a collaborative project of Ford, San Jose, Calif.-based SunPower Corp. and Atlanta-based Georgia Institute of Technology.
 

The C-MAX Solar Energi Concept debuts as Ford caps a record year of electrified vehicle sales.


Ford expects to sell 85,000 hybrids, plug-in hybrids and all-electric vehicles for 2013 – the first full year its six new electrified vehicles were available in dealer showrooms.

C-MAX Energi is Ford’s plug-in sales leader, with sales of more than 6,300 through November. Ford sold more plug-in vehicles in October and November than both Toyota and Tesla, and it outsold Toyota through the first 11 months of 2013. Plug-in hybrids continue to grow in sales as more customers discover the benefits of using electricity to extend their driving range.

C-MAX Hybrid over the last year has been a key driver in helping Ford sell more hybrids than any other automaker in the United States, second only to Toyota. C-MAX Hybrid continues to bring new customers to the Ford brand, with a conquest rate of 64 percent and drawing nearly half of its sales from import brands. Conquest rates are even higher in key hybrid growth markets like San Francisco, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.

Breakthrough Clean Technology

SunPower, which has been Ford’s solar technology partner since 2011, is providing high-efficiency solar cells for the roof of Ford C-MAX Solar Energi Concept. Because of the extended time it takes to absorb enough energy to fully charge the vehicle, Ford turned to Georgia Institute of Technology for a way to amplify the sunlight in order to make a solar-powered hybrid feasible for daily use.

Researchers developed an off-vehicle solar concentrator that uses a special Fresnel lens to direct sunlight to the solar cells while boosting the impact of the sunlight by a factor of eight. Fresnel is a compact lens originally developed for use in lighthouses. Similar in concept to a magnifying glass, the patent-pending system tracks the sun as it moves from east to west, drawing enough power from the sun through the concentrator each day to equal a four-hour battery charge (8 kilowatts).


With a full charge, Ford C-MAX Solar Energi Concept is estimated to have the same total range as a conventional C-MAX Energi of up to 620 miles, including up to 21 electric-only miles. Additionally, the vehicle still has a charge port, and can be charged by connecting to a charging station via cord and plug so that drivers retain the option to power up via the grid, if desired.

After C-MAX Solar Energi Concept is shown at CES, Ford and Georgia Tech will begin testing the vehicle in numerous real-world scenarios. The outcome of those tests will help to determine if the concept is feasible as a production car.
 

Off-the-Grid Car


By tapping renewable solar energy with a rooftop solar panel system, C-MAX Solar Energi Concept is not dependent on the traditional electric grid for its battery power. Internal Ford data suggest the sun could power up to 75 percent of all trips made by an average driver in a solar hybrid vehicle. This could be especially important in places where the electric grid is underdeveloped, unreliable or expensive to use.

The vehicle also reinforces MyEnergi Lifestyle, a concept revealed by Ford and several partners at 2013 CES. MyEnergi Lifestyle uses math, science and computer modeling to help homeowners understand how they can take advantage of energy-efficient home appliances, solar power systems and plug-in hybrid vehicles to significantly reduce monthly expenses while also reducing their overall carbon footprint.

The positive environmental impact from Ford C-MAX Solar Energi could be significant. It would reduce yearly CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions from the average U.S. car owner by as much as four metric tons – the equivalent of what a U.S. house produces in four months.

If all light-duty vehicles in the United States were to adopt Ford C-MAX Solar Energi Concept technology, annual greenhouse gas emissions could be reduced by approximately 1 billion metric tons.

http://www.cleanedge.com/Resources/news/SunPower-and-Ford-Team-on-Gridless-EV
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 21, 2014, 03:34:04 pm
Nissan LEAF Global Sales Reach 100,000  (http://www.clker.com/cliparts/c/8/f/8/11949865511933397169thumbs_up_nathan_eady_01.svg.hi.png)



01/22/2014 

 Clean Edge News


The 100,000th all-electric Nissan LEAF has been purchased by a customer in the United Kingdom. The Nissan LEAF, the world's first mass-produced zero emissions vehicle, remains the best-selling EV in history with a 45% market share, according to a Nissan press release.

Since its launch in December 2010 Nissan has seen the pace of sales increase consistently and 2013 was a record year. The LEAF is now available to customers in 35 countries on four continents. In Norway, the Nissan LEAF topped sales charts, out-selling conventional gasoline powered vehicles in October 2013.


Nissan's research into on-board lithium-ion battery technology began in 1992. The Nissan LEAF offers powerful acceleration, quiet operation, energy efficiency and low cost of maintenance. Nissan has extended the standard warranty for the battery-power holding capacity with its own additional warranty.

After leading the era of electrification in passenger vehicles with the LEAF, Nissan will in 2014 bring an all-electric light commercial vehicle to market.   (http://www.clker.com/cliparts/c/8/f/8/11949865511933397169thumbs_up_nathan_eady_01.svg.hi.png) The e-NV200 will go on sale in Europe and Japan bringing the benefits of quiet, cost-efficient, zero-emissions mobility to businesses.


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NISSAN NV200

In June 2014, Nissan will participate in the 24 Hours of Le Mans with the NISSAN ZEOD RC and aims to set a record for the fastest all-electric, zero-emissions lap of the circuit. Nissan is committed to using the EV platform to break new ground in both the commercial-vehicle and motorsports arenas.


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NISSAN ZEOD RC

http://www.cleanedge.com/Resources/news/Nissan-LEAF-Global-Sales-Reach-100,000
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 22, 2014, 07:58:42 pm
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DIY Stretchla Project – Tesla Model S to Underpin Stretched Volkswagen Vanagon Body – Battery Evaluation and Removal

 by Eric Loveday

Remember when we first reported on Stretchla, the ambitious DIY project that involves stripping a salvaged Tesla Model S down to its chassis and drivetrain and then slipping that under a stretched Volkswagen Vanagon?

Well, if you missed our initial post on the subject, then we suggest you click here to get caught up.

Strechla is spearheaded by a man named of Otmar.

Since we first presented the story, there have been a few updates.

First, the Tesla Model S arrived:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwr4WuAobAE&feature=player_embedded

The next step in the process was ensuring that the Model S performed as intended.  This step proved to be a time consuming one since much was unknown as to what occured after the donor Model S was wrecked.

As Otmar explains:

Quote

“Before I start dismantling the Tesla and transferring parts to the Stretched Vanagon, I want to insure that all the Model S systems are working correctly. The condition of the battery, being the most expensive component in the car, has been of great concern to me. I wasn’t expecting much difficulty in getting it to wake up, charge and drive but things are often not as I expect.

The Tesla is very new, and so far there is precious little public diagnostic information. The simple fact that a pyrotechnic disconnect on the 12V battery controls power to the contactors for the main traction pack was unknown to me, though in retrospect it makes perfect sense.

I do appreciate the fact that doing things the hard way often entails more learning, and I’m certainly learning many obscure details about the Model S!  ;D  It’s a good thing I enjoy learning about this sort of thing.”  ;)

This latest update on the Stretchla project is detailed entirely in the video posted below.  Ever wonder what’s involved in removing the Model S battery pack?   ??? Otmar has the answer, but you’ll have to check out the video to find out: (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185441.png)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3sdTS2kiWg&feature=player_embedded
Cafe Electric Strecthla Blog

http://insideevs.com/video-update-diy-stretchla-project-tesla-model-s-to-underpin-stretched-volkswagen-vanagon-body-battery-evaluation-and-removal/
 
Title: Trivia EV
Post by: AGelbert on February 08, 2014, 11:58:33 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpBlPGhFX4w&feature=player_embedded
Title: BYD’s Electric Buses Can Go 30 Hours On Single Charge
Post by: AGelbert on February 24, 2014, 03:56:52 pm
BYD’s Electric Buses Can Go 30 Hours On Single Charge


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BYD bus

BYD’s electric buses can run for an impressive 30 or so hours straight in between charges, based on the results of a pilot test performed in New York City last year during the months of August–October. Charging to full capacity took, roughly, 3–4 hours, and was completed at night.

According to SAE International (the Society of Automotive Engineers), one of BYD’s buses was used on a number of different routes in Manhattan during that span of time, and ran for a total of 1,481 miles. The pilot test proved that the electric bus could indeed approach the 155-mile-range advertised by BYD.



Here’s some more info from SAE:

After two months, the electric bus’s average battery duration was 0.3 h per % SOC, or 30 h of operation per full charge. An advantage of electric buses, compared to diesel bus technology, is that they do not idle when in heavy or stopped traffic, thus conserving “fuel” and reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Another advantage is that because BYD buses do not have an internal-combustion engine or transmission, along with other conventional components, maintenance costs (and labor) can be reduced “significantly,” according to the company. Regenerative braking also reduces normal brake-pad wear and maintenance.

BYD and MTA claim that the expected operating-cost-per-mile of an electric bus is about $0.20 to $0.30, compared to $1.30 per mile for an equivalent diesel- or natural-gas-powered bus in New York.

In related news, Daimler-BYD’s first Denza electric car is nearing its release date — the model is expected to be released in China sometime towards the middle of the year. Recent reports have revealed that the EV will be DV quick-charge compatible.

Keep up to date with all the hottest electrified vehicle news here on CleanTechnica. Subscribe to our free EV newsletter or overall cleantech newsletter to never miss a story.

Image Credit: BYD

Read more at http://cleantechnica.com/2014/02/24/byds-ev-buses-can-go-30-hours-single-charge/#FBVgokZfTVsuDjLx.99
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 30, 2014, 07:39:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8wtCJG0D1Y&feature=player_embedded
Title: Tesla Motors Inc. Is Leaving Big Energy in the Dust
Post by: AGelbert on April 11, 2014, 08:04:48 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX90oDuwhPk&feature=player_embedded

Tesla Motors Inc. Is Leaving Big Energy in the Dust  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/maniac.gif)

(GRAPHICS AT LINK)  ;D

By Justin Loiseau
April 11, 2014

 Tesla Motors  (NASDAQ: TSLA  )  is taking the automotive industry by storm -- but that's not all. Some of the largest energy corporations around are kicking themselves for not investing earlier in one of the electric-vehicle maker's smartest moves. Here's what you need to know.

If you build it, they will come


Tesla Motors, is building more than cars -- it's building a support system to overthrow the entire way we conceive of getting from Point A to Point B. The key: electric-vehicle charging stations. Tesla Motors knows it's up against a century-old status quo of gas guzzlers, so the company is doing everything in its power to ease consumers' switching costs.

While technological improvements are enabling Tesla drivers to go further on faster charges, the company's massive network of Supercharger stations is what truly sets it apart, and what energy companies wish they'd cashed in on earlier.

At what is dubbed "the fastest charging station on the planet," Tesla owners can charge their vehicles at more than 10 times the rate of public charging stations. With 84 stations open across the nation, Tesla drivers can now make a full American road trip without needing a single drop of gas. Just check out the video below for proof.

 

It's all about infrastructure

In a recent survey, 527 utility professionals offered surprising thoughts on Tesla's major infrastructure advances. Only 17% of those surveyed said there isn't an opportunity for utilities to deploy electric-vehicle charging stations, while 46% said they utilities are missing out on the opportunity. It's not hard to understand why. Here's a map of Tesla Motors' 84 current stations:



But by the end of 2015, the United States of America is going to look more spotted than a three-year-old with chickenpox. Ninety-eight percent of the entire U.S. population will be Tesla-able:


Perhaps the survey's most shocking number is the 37% of utility professionals who responded that "tilities are not and will not miss the [electric-vehicle charging station] opportunity." Unless energy companies have super-secret plans they're not telling anyone about, their current grand total of 147 stations doesn't come close to Tesla Motors' plans.

If you look at the geographic spread, it's easy to see that utility companies aren't concerned with nationwide access. While Tesla wants drivers across every state, energy companies are currently playing to their strengths. Sorry, Washington state, Texas, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Tennessee, Maine, and many others -- utilities have yet to put a single station in your state

It takes two (hundred stations) to tango
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With more than 200 stations expected for 2015, Tesla Motors is gearing up for massive growth. And while utilities are collectively sitting on billions in cash, they're either bureaucratically unable or unwilling to go where this electric-vehicle maker is going. Ironically, Tesla seems less afraid of infrastructure investments than the corporations that lit up America -- and they're paying a pretty price in lost profit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0HsN-tblo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/04/11/tesla-motors-inc-is-leaving-big-energy-in-the-dust.aspx


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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 24, 2014, 01:53:51 pm
Norwegian Man With Seven Teslas Says Electric Cars Work Just Fine In Winter Weather  ;D

 By Richard Read  Richard Read 

Last year, the auto world watched Tesla CEO Elon Musk carry out a very public feud with New York Times writer John Broder, who'd published a damning story about his travels in a Tesla Model S. Musk claimed that negative publicity generated by the piece cost Tesla $100 million in revenue.

Among other things, Broder's article suggested that cold weather adversely affected the battery in the Model S, drastically reducing its driving range. (It's an issue that had been raised before.) But one Norwegian man wants to set the record straight.

That man is Jens Kratholm, an ophthalmologist who lives in the town of Narvik, some 136 miles north of the Arctic Circle. The average temperature there is 39 degrees Fahrenheit. If electric car batteries fare poorly in chilly temps, Narvik would be a bad place to own a Tesla.

And yet, Kratholm owns a Tesla Model S. He also owns six Tesla Roadsters.  :o Yes: six. According to a post on the Tesla Motors blog, Kratholm owns more Teslas than anyone else on Planet Earth.


He ordered his first Roadster sight-unseen from a dealership in Denmark -- much to the chagrin of his wife, Ellen Røsnes, who is a self-proclaimed car nut and longtime Mercedes-Benz fan. Røsnes chided Kratholm, saying "Are you crazy?  ??? This car doesn’t have an engine! It’s just a play car." (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1730.gif) (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/swear1.gif)

As you might've guessed, Røsnes was quickly hooked by the Roadster's handling, especially in icy conditions. The family's collection grew, until the couple had enough Teslas to share with their children when they came home for visits.

To Kratholm, Tesla's biggest selling point is its performance in cold weather:

"We found out that [the Tesla is] a super winter car,” says Jens. 'It’s so fantastic. It’s much easier and better than an ordinary car.' He likes that you can heat the Model S remotely via an app, so that there’s no ice or snow on the car when you’re ready to drive it. He also says the winter range is almost the same as the summer range. In December, he and Røsnes took the Model S to an ice hotel in Sweden, 200km from Narvik. The temperature dropped to -40 degrees Celsius. It was so cold that the trains couldn’t operate and the diesel in the buses froze. But the Model S was just fine." (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185047.png)


OUR TAKE

Kratholm is the kind of superfan that CEOs dream about. He and his family are passionate about Tesla products, so it's not surprising that Tesla ran a post about them on its corporate blog.

That being said, it would be hard to imagine that the family's claims are fabricated, or that Kratholm would continue buying Teslas if they performed poorly in Narvik's harsh winter weather.

Bottom line: there's a lot more research to be done on electric car batteries, their strengths, and their shortcomings, particularly in extreme temps. At the very least, however, Kratholm's family show that Teslas are viable vehicles, even for folks living north of the Arctic Circle. At best, they suggest that Broder's reports   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-241013183046.jpeg)  were either misguided (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png)
or inaccurate.  (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~patricia/cute-collection/smileys/lying-smiley.gif) (http://www.imgion.com/images/01/Angry-animated-smiley.jpg) 

Picture at link of
Jens Kratholm with two of his six Tesla Roadsters (via the Tesla Motors blog)

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1091687_norwegian-man-with-seven-teslas-says-electric-cars-work-just-fine-in-winter-weather

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 24, 2014, 04:00:17 pm
Tesla Motors Has Friends At The FTC When It Comes To Direct Sales

by Jay Cole    


At link:
Internationally Tesla Run Into Few Problems With Their Direct Sales Model (such as at this company store in Toronto)

There is a war going on in the United States when it comes to automotive sales; specifically the ability to sell cars directly to the consumer.

And it seemingly goes like this: Tesla Motors VS every state’s auto dealers association.  Sometimes Tesla wins, sometimes they lose (such as recent defeats in Arizona, and ongoing difficulties in New Jersey).

Often when they lose, their CEO Elon Musk muses taking the fight to the federal level; although no such advancement on that front has yet been made.

Today, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) threw a little gas on that fire by aligning themselves on Tesla’s side of the fight by putting up a blog post entitled “Who decides how consumers should shop?”


“Dealers contend that it is important for regulators to prevent abuses of local dealers. This rationale appears unsupported, however, with respect to blanket prohibitions of direct sales by manufacturers. And, in any event, it has no relevance to companies like Tesla. It has never had any independent dealers and reportedly does not want them.

Regulators should differentiate between regulations that truly protect consumers and those that protect the regulated. We hope lawmakers will recognize efforts by auto dealers and others to bar new sources of competition for what they are—expressions of a lack of confidence in the competitive process that can only make consumers worse off.”

Check out the entire transcript of that post below – it’s a well thought out read!

Who decides how consumers should shop?  (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb029.gif)


(By: Andy Gavil, Debbie Feinstein, and Marty Gaynor)

Consumers once shopped predominantly at their local stores; but first mail order catalogs and today the Internet have created new ways to shop for and purchase a wide range of goods and services. Similarly, consumers once arranged for taxis by hailing one from a street corner or by calling a dispatcher; yet today, smartphones and new software applications are shaking up the transportation industry, creating new business opportunities and new services for consumers.

At link:
Tesla Model S Design Studio In China – Company Owned & Operated
 
In buying cars, however, these new ways to shop may not be available to consumers. For decades, local laws in many states have required consumers to purchase their cars solely from local, independent auto dealers. Removing these regulatory impediments may be essential to allow consumers access to new ways of shopping that have become available in many other industries.

This very question has been raised across the country, as a still-young car manufacturer, Tesla, pursues a direct-to-consumer sales strategy that does not rely on local, independent dealers.

In this case and others, many state and local regulators have eliminated the direct purchasing option for consumers, by taking steps (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb050.gif) to protect existing middlemen  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png) from new competition.  We believe this is bad policy for a number of reasons.

American consumers and businesses benefit from a dynamic and diverse economy where new technologies and business models can and have disrupted stable and stagnant industries, often by responding to unmet or under-served consumer needs. When that occurs in an industry long subject to extensive regulation, existing businesses—like automobile dealers—often respond by urging legislators or regulators to restrict or even bar the new firms that threaten to shake up their market.

Out of 15 million cars sold in the U.S. in 2013, Tesla accounted for a little over 22,000. This hardly presents a serious competitive threat to established dealers. What it could represent is a real change to the way cars are sold that might allow Tesla to expand in the future and prove attractive to other manufacturers, whether established or new ones that have yet to emerge, and consumers. Efforts to litigate, legislate, and regulate to eliminate Tesla’s perceived threat have forced it to battle jurisdiction-by-jurisdiction for the simple right to sell its automobiles directly to consumers.

When the automobile industry was in its infancy, auto manufacturers recruited independent, locally owned dealers to reach consumers in localities across the country. State laws progressively embraced wide-ranging protections for these dealers due to a perceived imbalance of power between the typically small local dealers and major national manufacturers. Dealers persuaded lawmakers that they needed protections from abusive practices by manufacturers. Federal laws, too, developed to protect auto dealers from abuse.

At link:
London Tesla Store – Company Owned & Operated (via driving.co.uk)


These protections expanded until in many states they included outright bans on the sale of new cars by anyone other than a dealer—specifically, an auto manufacturer.
Instead of “protecting,” these state laws became “protectionist,” perpetuating one way of selling cars—the independent car dealer. Such blanket bans are an anomaly in the broader economy, where most manufacturers compete to respond to consumer needs by choosing from among direct sales to consumers, reliance on independent dealers, or some combination of the two.

Dealers contend that it is important for regulators to prevent abuses of local dealers. This rationale appears unsupported, however, with respect to blanket prohibitions of direct sales by manufacturers. And, in any event, it has no relevance to companies like Tesla. It has never had any independent dealers and reportedly does not want them.

FTC staff have commented on similar efforts to bar new rivals and new business models in industries as varied as wine sales, taxis, and health care. We have consistently urged legislators and regulators to consider the potential harmful consequences this can have for competition and consumers. How manufacturers choose to supply their products and services to consumers is just as much a function of competition as what they sell—and competition ultimately provides the best protections for consumers and the best chances for new businesses to develop and succeed. Our point has not been that new methods of sale are necessarily superior to the traditional methods—just that the determination should be made through the competitive process.

At link:
Tesla Store In Palo Alto, California

Change is a critical dimension of that competitive process. Manufacturers in a variety of industries now reach consumers directly through websites, providing extensive information that was once only available from dealers or by phone or mail inquiry. And consumers routinely turn to the Internet as a convenient way to comparison shop and buy products and services.

Such change can sometimes be difficult for established competitors that are used to operating in a particular way, but consumers can benefit from change that also challenges longstanding competitors. Regulators should differentiate between regulations that truly protect consumers and those that protect the regulated. We hope lawmakers will recognize efforts by auto dealers and others to bar new sources of competition for what they are—expressions of a lack of confidence in the competitive process that can only make consumers worse off.

Andy is the Director of the Office of Policy Planning, Debbie is the Director of the Bureau of Competition, and Marty is the Director of the Bureau of Economics. The views expressed are their own, and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the Commission or of any individual Commissioner.

Hat tip to Frank for his contribution!

Tesla Dealer Pictures at link:
http://insideevs.com/tesla-motors-has-a-friend-in-the-ftc-when-it-comes-to-direct-sales/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 19, 2014, 08:43:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbz5MdnP2oA&feature=player_embedded
BMW Does It! BMW i8 Commercial Shows What An Electric Car Commercial Should Be (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Transports/ferrari-046.gif)


Read more at http://cleantechnica.com/2014/05/18/bmw-i8-commercial-rocks-it/#tsDTQwsHgvQDXBt7.99
Title: Formula E Holdings Raises 50 Million Euros In First Round of Financing
Post by: AGelbert on May 23, 2014, 01:17:41 am
Formula E Holdings Raises 50 Million Euros In First Round of Financing

Nice pictures at link:  ;D

http://insideevs.com/formula-e-holdings-raises-50-million-euros-first-round-financing/
Title: Automakers Take Notice – Data Points to Love Affair with Electric Cars
Post by: AGelbert on May 23, 2014, 01:23:28 am
Automakers Take Notice – Data Points to Love Affair with Electric Cars

Some early research findings by the research division of Recargo, PlugInsights Research, offers a look into the maturing electric car market as car leases start to end for early adopters. (at link)
http://insideevs.com/automakers-take-notice-data-points-love-affair-electric-cars/


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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 28, 2014, 03:22:48 pm
Chinese EV Sales Grew 38% In 2013, Doing Much Better In 2014  (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-object-032.gif)

(http://i0.wp.com/cleantechnica.com/files/2013/09/qin-hybrid.jpg)

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/05/28/chinese-ev-sales-grew-38-2013/
Title: Can the Electric Car Save Your Life?
Post by: AGelbert on June 01, 2014, 10:01:52 pm
Can the Electric Car Save Your Life? (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif)

Diana Vilibert
May 31, 2014

It’s been debated whether electric cars can help save the environment — but now, some experts are claiming a different benefit: your health.
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Released a few days ago, a new report from the Environmental Defense Fund and the American Lung Association in California made a strong case for electric cars as not just an environmental solution, but a health-related one. With transportation contributing almost 70 percent of smog-forming gases and 40 percent of California’s climate change pollution every year, the authors stated that some of the many impacts of pollution include an increased risk of asthma attacks, heart attacks, cardiovascular disease, respiratory ailments, cancer, and shortened lifespan—adding that air pollution has been estimated by the California Air Resources Board to cause 9,200 deaths in California per year. Other recent research actually estimates that approximately 21,000 deaths per year in California are caused by roadway pollution.

The report states that the transition to electric cars can have a big impact on the health of California’s residents, “creating billions of dollars in annual economic benefits in the form of fewer missed work days and fewer hospital visits.” Namely:

• Savings of $8.3 billion in pollution-related health costs  (http://elqahera-trading.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dollar-sign-thumbnail1.jpg)

• Prevention of 600 heart attacks and 880 premature deaths caused by air pollution  (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-object-081.gif)

• Prevention of 38,000 asthma attacks and almost 75,000 lost work day  (http://dl5.glitter-graphics.net/pub/3328/3328805eipbi6o30e.gif)


In other words, the impact could be life-saving, particularly for the 80 percent of California’s population that lives in areas defined as having unhealthy air, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Residents living near highways and busy roads are particularly impacted by tailpipe pollutants, with asthma, lung cancer, heart attacks, strokes, and heart disease all exacerbated by carbon monoxide, volatile organic compounds, sulfur oxides, and nitrogen oxides in the air.


The potential monetary savings are also huge, according to the report:

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…And that’s just based on only 11.3 to 18.8 percent of California’s cars converting to running on carbon-free or low-polluting fuels.  :o  ;D

This isn’t just a California issue, however. Though California, home to more than 30 million, vehicles ranks first in terms of the amount of energy used for transportation, other states aren’t too far behind:

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Would you make the switch to an electric vehicle for the health benefits? (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/47b20s0.gif)  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

Read more: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/can-the-electric-car-save-your-life.html#ixzz33RTZX7GR
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 05, 2014, 06:59:17 pm
May Marks Best-Ever Sales Month for EVs (http://elqahera-trading.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dollar-sign-thumbnail1.jpg)


Brandon Baker | June 5, 2014 8:55 am | Comments
     

The Electric Drive Transportation Association (EDTA) released a bevy of figures and graphics that all point to one fact—May was the best sales month of all time for plug-in electric vehicles (EV).

The EDTA factored battery EVs and plug-in hybrids into its sales figure for the month: 12,453. That exceeded sales from May 2013 by 4,699 vehicles.

The year-to-date total is up by 35 percent over the time last year for a total of 43,480. According to EDTA, there are 211,097 total plug-in EVs on the road—more than 105,000 more than the total through May 2013.

SLIDESHOW ► (at link)

The organization’s collection of graphics contains sales figures dating back to 2007, a look at the EV charging infrastructure and more.

http://ecowatch.com/2014/06/05/may-best-sales-electric-vehicles/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 05, 2014, 07:43:16 pm
US Department of Energy Info on Hybrid and Plug-In Electric Vehicles (http://www.smile-day.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Smiley-Thumbs-Up2.jpg)

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"Are electric drive vehicles safe?
HEVs, PHEVs, and EVs undergo the same rigorous safety testing as conventional vehicles sold in the United States and must meet the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. In addition, their battery packs are encased in sealed shells and meet testing standards that subject batteries to conditions such as overcharge, vibration, extreme temperatures, short circuit, humidity, fire, collision, and water immersion. Manufacturers also design vehicles with insulated high-voltage lines and safety features that deactivate electric systems when they detect a collision or short circuit.

For additional electric drive vehicle safety information, refer to the AFDC’s Maintenance and Safety of Hybrid, Plug-In Hybrid, and All-Electric Vehicles page (www.afdc.energy.gov/afdc/vehicles/electric_maintenance.html).


How do maintenance requirements compare to those of conventional vehicles?
Because HEVs and PHEVs have internal combustion engines, their maintenance requirements are comparable to conventional vehicles. The electrical system (battery, motor, and associated electronics) doesn’t require the same scheduled maintenance. Due to the use of regenerative braking, brake systems on these vehicles typically last longer than those on conventional vehicles.

EVs typically require less maintenance  than conventional vehicles because:
• They have fewer moving parts
• Regenerative braking reduces brake wear
• Their electrical systems don’t require frequent maintenance.


Drivers of EVs and PHEVs will soon have access to thousands of charging stations across the country. "

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/pdfs/52723.pdf

http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Press+Releases/DOT+Proposes+New+Minimum+Sound+Requirements+for+Hybrid+and+Electric+Vehicles


Agelbert NOTE:The main problem of EVs, from the point of view of the US Department of Transportation, is that they are too quiet.  (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif)  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1402.gif) There is concern for rising EV on bicyclist accidents because of this and new regs are being proposed since January of 2013.


U.S. Department of Transportation Proposes New Minimum Sound Requirements for Hybrid and Electric Vehicles

I want an EV!   ;D

Title: Finally, an electric car that crushes all the others (literally)
Post by: AGelbert on June 09, 2014, 03:29:46 pm
Finally, an electric car that crushes all the others (literally)
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Try to imagine: You’re driving your Tesla out for a long weekend in the Hamptons, but there’s a line at the charging station. It’s the nightmare scenario, but now there’s a solution: Bigfoot No. 20, the electric monster truck. Just take your sweet new rig over the top and no more waiting!  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OumQxxO8v1M&feature=player_embedded

http://grist.org/list/finally-an-electric-car-that-crushes-all-the-others-literally/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 19, 2014, 02:31:17 pm
261 Miles Per Gallon! Volkswagen Introduces Most Efficient Car Ever

SustainableBusiness.com News

Demonstrating that it's possible to produce really high mileage cars, Volkswagen has produced a diesel-electric plug-in hybrid that gets 261 miles per gallon (mpg) - the most efficient car ever made.

The 2-seater can make it from NY to Washington DC on just one gallon of gas, while emitting a tiny fraction of the greenhouse gases of the average US car. It spews out 34 grams of carbon for every mile driven, compared to 340 grams for a conventional car. And even the average all-electric car gets about half the mileage.

New fuel economy standards in the US that require 54 mpg by 2025 will cut those emissions in half. Europe has an even higher goal of 65 mpg.

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Volkswagen 261 mpg XL 1

 Volkswagen's XL 1 is now at car dealers in Germany and Austria, but only in a limited edition run of 250 vehicles. About 50 have sold so far for a pricey $150,000.  :o  :P

Giving us a glimpse of the car of the future, XL 1 combines a very light, aerodynamic body that weighs half of a typical car with  smaller tires and a turbo-charged, smaller engine. It can travel 31 miles in all-electric mode.     

Although diesel cars haven't taken off in the US, they are a third more efficient and release much less carbon emissions. Until recently, however, they did emit high levels of nitrogen oxides - which cause smog - but that's been cleaned up to meet air standards in the US and Europe. While it costs more to fill up with diesel gas in the US, it costs less in Europe.

 40 diesels models are available in the US and more are coming, according to the Diesel Technology Forum. The market will double and could even triple, Allen Schaeffer, executive director, told InsideClimate News. 

Volkswagen's first all-electric cars are the e-Up! and an electric Golf. 14 electric models go on sale this year and if demand is strong, VW says it will roll out as many as 40 hybrids and electrics.   (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)

Last year, Volkswagen led the auto industry on the Dow Jones Sustainability Index, which evaluates companies based on social and environmental criteria. Its Chattanooga Solar Park is the only LEED-Platinum auto factory.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185047.png)



Here's a description of the Volkswagen's XL 1 from the company: 

 
Website: www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/futures/xl1
http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25777

Agelbert NOTE: Remember all those "urban legends" we have been hearing (those among of us who are Oldy Goldies of course  ;D)  for a good 40 years about super efficient carburetors and 200 MPG designs that big oil has kept off the market by hook or by crook? Five will get ya ten they are true! Henry Ford's first production model got 26 MPG! Do you REALLY think they needed 100 YEARS to improve the gas mileage? GIVE ME A ****ING BREAK!  8)

Another day, another century of fleecing by BIG OIL!  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2mo5pow.gif)(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/Bored-cute-big-smiley-animated-066.gif)(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/swear1.gif)
 Have a nice day.


Keep bending over for big oil or sign here! (http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ai3Tb)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 16, 2014, 04:16:01 pm
China Requires Electric Vehicles to Make Up 30 Percent of State Purchases ;D

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/07/china-requires-electric-vehicles-to-make-up-30-percent-of-state-purchases
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 18, 2014, 07:46:09 pm
And now, some good news:  ;D

ANOTHER kind of EV that will be, if things go correctly, THE main form of transportation (and FREE as well! ) in all the cities of the planet soon. I have enough imagination to see how EASY (think of the conveyor belts at airports) it would be to also set up a solar powered network of underground movement for goods, from the factory to the stores (less TRUCKS!).

For those who don't think it's "impractical", look up the AVERAGE speed of commuter traffic in the city with your POV. It's really rather stupid and extremely wasteful to drive a big machine that CAN go very fast but DOESN'T REALLY DO SO IN THE REAL WORLD. Ski lifts and Gondolas work quite well without a ski resort, thank you very much.   ;D

Solar-powered Gondola Saving Clean Mountain Air in Colorado

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/07/solar-powered-gondola-saving-clean-mountain-air-in-colorado (http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/07/solar-powered-gondola-saving-clean-mountain-air-in-colorado)
 
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 19, 2014, 08:01:42 pm
Electric Buses Being Tested Around The World, Pleasing Passengers And The Environment  ;D
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/19/3416118/electric-buses-tested-brazil/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 05, 2014, 11:43:11 pm
Nissan, Mitsubishi Partner Up For Ultra-Affordable $14,000 Electric Car

The partnerships of all electric vehicle partnerships has been officially created.

Nissan is partnering 50:50 with Mitsubishi on a joint venture with one goal: to develop a minicar-based electric vehicle with release of the new model set for Fiscal Year 2016 (April 1, 2016 through March 31, 2017).

Both Nissan and Mitsubishi promise that this co-developed electric car will be sold for the lowest price among major automakers when it hits the market.

The plan is that Nissan and Mitsubishi will work hand-in-hand on this EV.  Key components such as batteries will be procured through the economies of scale of two automakers combined.

It’ll be an electric minicar and we’re not yet sure if it’ll be sold in the US.

However, it’s hinted that the price in Japan will 1.5 million yen ($14,614 USD) including subsidies, or approximately the same as a compact ICE sells for in Japan.  For comparison, the Mitsubishi i-MiEV sells for a base MSRP of 2.52 million yen ($24,300 USD) prior to subsidies in Japan.  Or 1.78 million yen when subsidies are factored in.

No further details are available at this time on the minicar electric coming from Nissan-Mitsubishi.
http://insideevs.com/nissan-mitsubishi-team-ultra-affordable-electric-car/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 05, 2014, 11:50:31 pm
(http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/graphs-sales.jpg)

Tweets InsideEVs contributor Mark Larsen who forwarded these stacked (bar graph) and sliced (pie chart) representations of U.S. plug-in electric vehicle sales.

Above you’ll see cumulative model-by-model U.S. sales to date (through end of July using sales figures obtained via InsideEVs) and market share for individual plug-in electric models (again, using InsideEVs sales data).

Also from InsideEVs’ contributor kdawg, a graph expresings both the Chevrolet Volt and total EVs vs the overall auto market:



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http://insideevs.com/us-plug-electric-vehicle-sales-date-stacked-sliced/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 11, 2014, 07:44:16 pm
First Zero-Emissions All-Electric BYD Bus Launches in Brazil

2014-04-04    Author:    Source:www.chinabuses.org

Summarize:Fetranspor and Rio Bus, the public transportation companies for the state and city of Rio,Brazil, and BYD, a Chinese company with leading technologies on batteries and electric vehicles, joined together at the opening ceremonies for the launch of the BYD 100% electric bus this week. This is the first pure-electric bus to launch in Rio and is running now on line 249 (Water-Santa Carioca) operated by Matias, the leader of the Consortium Internorte.

www.chinabuses.org: Fetranspor and Rio Bus, the public transportation companies for the state and city of Rio,Brazil, and BYD, a Chinese company with leading technologies on batteries and electric vehicles, joined together at the opening ceremonies for the launch of the BYD 100% electric bus this week. This is the first pure-electric bus to launch in Rio and is running now on line 249 (Water-Santa Carioca) operated by Matias, the leader of the Consortium Internorte.

 
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First Zero-Emissions All-Electric BYD Bus Launches in Brazil


“The partnership with Fetranspor will be important to showcase its economical and environmental benefits and help to develop the market for low carbon buses.”The partnership, which aims to test the bus on a regular line for one month, has the support from the City Government through the City Department of Transportation, and the C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group (a network of megacities committed to taking actions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions) and is currently chaired by Mayor of Rio de Janeiro Eduardo Paes.


Participants attending the launch ceremony included Lelis Marcos Teixeira, President of Fetranspor; Joao Augusto Monteiro, Chairman of Rio Bus, Roberto Carlos Ozorio, Municipal Secretary of Transportation, Julio Lopes, Secretary of State for Transport of Rio De Janeiro, Stella Li, BYD Motors President, Cristina Mendonca, City Director for C40 in Rio de Janeiro, Vagner Rigon, Sales Vice President of BYD Brasil. Authorities and journalists were able to ride on the electrical bus during its first drive.


Rio is one of the three cities in Brazil to test the 100% electric buses from BYD (São Paulo and Salvador have done successful tests already). The Operation Manager for Mobility at Fetranspor, Guilherme Wilson said that, “the electric buses are no longer just a promise; the electrical technology is a major innovation in the urban mobility sector. In addition, this vehicle has zero emissions, superior durability and lower operating costs, all considerable advantages towards sustainability.”


Companies in Rio have tested some types of buses before, like hybrids, diesel from sugar cane, biodiesel, also CNG buses. The pioneering favored this new partnership. "Fetranspor is a great reference for testing new energy buses in public transportation and the segment in Rio de Janeiro is a model for many cities in the country,” said Vagner Rigon, Sales Vice President of BYD do Brasil. “The partnership with Fetranspor will be important to showcase its economical and environmental benefits and help to develop the market for low carbon buses.”


Besides Brazil, the 100% electric bus has been tested since 2011 in several cities around the world such as Los Angeles and New York (USA), Bogota (COL), London (GB), Copenhagen (DEN) and Oranjestad (Aruba). BYD is testing the buses under different traffic and road conditions, terrain, elevations and temperatures to improve bus design.

http://www.chinabuses.org/news/2014/0404/article_8003.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 17, 2014, 02:36:20 pm
Tesla Extends Drive Unit Warranty To Infinity And Beyond  ;D


http://insideevs.com/tesla-extends-drive-unit-warranty-infinity-beyond/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 06, 2014, 06:30:20 pm

Georgia dealers want Tesla store shuttered for selling too many Teslas (https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/georgia-dealers-want-tesla-store-shuttered-for-selling-too-many-teslas-192235038.html) (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif)

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 16, 2014, 08:55:08 pm
(http://www.noticiasautomotivas.com.br/images/img/f/BYD-K91.jpg)
BYD's green bus wins award
Updated: 2014-09-15 03:30
By ZHANG FAN in Sao Paulo(China Daily Latin America)
   
Chinese automotive enterprises BYD Co Ltd was recently awarded the InovaCidade Award from Brazil's Smart City Business Institute for the company's electric transit buses. The award praises BYD achievements in technical innovation and for producing more environmentally-friendly products.
"It is very meaningful for BYD because it shows that Brazilian society values our technology. It is the first time for us to win the award in South America," said Tyler Li, general manager of BYD Brazil at the Smart City Business Congress & Expo America in Sao Paulo on Sept 4.

Li said Brazilians used to think of Chinese products as cheap and of poor quality, but winning this award shows that this impression is changing.

"We want to prove to Brazilian customers that our products have major technical advantages and electric buses will be a trend for the development of public transportation," he added.
Smart City Business Institute, covering South America, is an influential organization focused on innovation and urban development. Other international brands such as Dell and Microsoft also won the prize.

BYD's electric buses were also named as the Low Carbon Heavy Duty Vehicle of the Year in the UK. The judging panel said BYD's pure electric buses "have demonstrated impressive carbon savings through their electric power train systems."

BYD entered the Brazilian market last November and its electric transit buses have been tested in about 20 cities including Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Salvador. Currently there are two electric buses in trail service in Brasilia and Campinas.

The buses, according to the data from the company, can reduce operating costs by up to 81 percent compared with petrol-driven vehicles, which can greatly benefit bus operators and also enable more Brazilian cities to improve their public transportation systems.

"As the price of energy is more stable than the price of diesel, the electric bus has shown that it is possible to reduce pollution as well as operating costs of bus systems   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/47b20s0.gif), which is consistent with the civic demand for improvements in public transportation without raising fares," said Adalberto Maluf , marketing director of BYD.

The Shenzhen-based company launched its first Brazilian factory this August in Campinas, an industrial city near Sao Paulo, to produce the world's only long-range electric transit bus.
The 30,000-square-meter factory will be BYD's production base in Latin America after it starts operations in 2015. The project will absorb $91 million in investment from BYD over the next three to five years.

BYD is currently the world's largest producer of rechargeable batteries with products in Europe and North and Central America.
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Before exploring international markets, 780 of BYD's electric buses have been in service in Shenzhen since 2011.


Besides BYD, BMW, one of the world's largest automobile, motorcycle and engine manufacturing companies, also eyes Brazil as a potential market. BMW just released its first family model i3 in Brazil, available in eight cities including Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Brasilia.
fanzhang@chinadailyusa.com

http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2014-09/15/content_18596206.htm (http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2014-09/15/content_18596206.htm)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 28, 2014, 02:46:10 pm
K-Dog posts at the Doomstead Diner. He is an engineer and he is an honest, reality based, do the math asset to humanity.  (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)



You can run a car on batteries, you'll have a lot tougher time running a Caterpillar Back Hoe on them.  Also tougher to run a Big Rig yanking around 40 Tons of Paper or Beer with a battery powered tractor.  Not sure what the size and weight would be for a battery pack even Li-I that could deliver the equivalent of a 600 HP Cummins Diesel, but I am quite sure it is pretty enormous and unwieldy, not to mention expensive.

Then you got the issue of moving enough electrons over an aging grid to charge up such vehicles regularly.  It's simply not gonna happen.


Without calculating it out I'll throw out about two tons of Li-ion batteries to deliver 600 HP equivalent.  There really is not a right answer since one twenty pound battery could deliver  600 HP but it would be drained in thirty seconds.  Being able to drive fifty feet before a new charge is needed is not going to cut it.  One issue in making a correct calculation is that electronic and gas engines are specified in different ways.  The 600 HP is maximum peak power but a 600 HP electric motor can put out 600 HP all day long without 'redlining'.

I would not presume that electric equivalents could replace all ICE engines.  That would be impossible and using my Jevon's Paradox in reverse argument demonstrates that very fact.  My argument falls apart  if the very real differences between electric and Ice alternatives are not considered.

Regarding the electric grid.  It works or it does not.  Wires do not start carrying half their old current capacities as they age.  They conduct at rated current capacity until they break or fall to the ground.  The maintenance of the electric grid is an issue that is to be concerned about for sure.  I do not deny it but the 'electric grid is falling apart' meme is bullshit.  Advanced by some who want to sell their own version of doomer **** and fear this kind of doomer would also say we can't have electric generators without rare earth metals which china can cut the supply of at any time.  I say this to one of them.

Really dude come on.  Using steel with the right silicon content we can make electromagnets with a greater magnetic field density than rare earth magnets can provide.  We have had the technology to do so and have done so for a hundred years.  Wind powered generators can be built with 1920s technology which are plenty efficient and powerful enough to substitute for modern equivalents.  Some antique collectors even like to find old electric fans from that era.  An electric fan or an electric wind generator, different but not by much.

Then you got the issue of moving enough electrons over an aging grid to charge up such vehicles regularly.  It's simply not gonna happen.

We agree it is not going to happen.  But perhaps for different reasons.  Technically it is possible but our society is incapable of doing the logistic planning necessary to make it happen.  Human nature not technical reasons will cause our grid to fall apart.  As I said, a significant number of EVs could be added to the existing grid without any changes.  Wire does not wear out and loose current carrying capacity.  If everybody went EV the grid would have to be enlarged.  Your average liberetard would say 'the market' can take care of that.  Yeah, in their dreams.  The grid needs work yes, and my house needs painting.  But neither will fall apart tomorrow.

We can argue all day about the glass being half full or half empty but we agree the glass is half of something.  Our bane are those who insist the glass is full or all the way empty without even looking at the glass just because they want to believe that way.



@jdwheeler42  Yes, trains have the best efficiency of all transportation types.  But not the old smoke billowing steam kind of choo- choos.  They were extremely inefficient.
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 28, 2014, 02:47:11 pm

The loss rate in converting heat energy to electrical energy before the conversion then to mechanical energy to drive the car.


There is always loss when one form of energy is converted to another.  In the real world the laws of thermodynamics demand it, entropy considerations.  In that I agree.  Yet I see three advantages to using EVs which deserve consideration.

Economies of scale makes large scale power generation more efficient than individual power generation resulting from conventional engines.  Batteries can also be charged at reasonably high efficiencies.  Together these facts mitigate your loss consideration.

Secondly charging of batteries will be done at night generally when power is cheapest.  The daylight infrastructure then has surplus capacity.  A significant number of EVs can be charged without any additional cost to the electric grid.

Thirdly, and which I consider most important.  EVs are not the same as conventional cars.  Evs have to be used differently and with more consideration as it takes time to charge them and because they have limited range.  What seems like a disadvantage is actually an advantage.  Less total energy is used and all the important things people think they have to do would still get done.  An alternative way of doing transportation with overall reduction in maintenance cost (less energy used).  A reverse engineered technology that has less overall energy demand steps towards a sustainable future.  Lower range lead acid batteries would also give a superior social reward than lithium batteries would. 

That is, If it is not too late and it is just something I ate.

Comparing EVs to cars it is easy to assume that they directly substitute but they don't.  They are a different animal.  One with a lower carbon footprint so long as somebody does not make a super battery.  Sadly much work and effort is being spent to do just that.  Fortunately it is very hard to do.

Reverse engineer and forsake the religion of progress.


If my argument still seems counter-intuitive think about Jevon's paradox.  I'm presenting it to you in reverse form.

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php/topic,3282.msg57513.html#msg57513
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 28, 2014, 10:38:15 pm
EV vs ICE Maintenance – The First 100,000 miles

2 years ago
by Mark Hovis ( Don't forget EV prices have gone down since then!)    

If you drive an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) and have a service file, take it out for comparison. If you own an ICE and don’t have a service file, you should start one, for you will be shocked with how much time and effort you really spend on your vehicle. You may find the service costs found here higher or lower. They are listed as a reminder of how often you require service. The more expensive your auto, the more the manufacturer or dealer pads the service charges. Still, you have to endure these regular maintenance issues.

Tires

Tires are the common denominator between both types of vehicles. The recommended rotation is every 7500 miles. Hence you will have 13 scheduled trips to your mechanic in the first 100,000

 
Check the fluids!

Oil change
 
ICE: The frequency of oil changes vary from person to person and manufacturer. The number used to be 3000 miles.  If you change every 5000, that will be 20 scheduled visits out of your daily routine and about $400-$800.

EV: No thanks!  ;D

Automatic transmission fluid

ICE: This is generally recommended to be changed at 100,000. Depending on whether you flush the system and change the filter or just add fluid, you will spend between $30-$100

EV:No thanks!  ;D:


Coolant


ICE: Generally this will last for 150,000 before recommended change, but you DO have to keep a check on it throughout the life of the ICE for you can do considerable engine damage if you let it run hot.

EV: If you have a thermal management system on your battery, you will have a similar check.

Fuel
400 visits isn't that bad   ;)  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)
 
ICE: The frequency with which a person fills their ICE varies. The norm is generally once per week. If this is your pattern, and you are driving the national average of 12,750 miles per year, then you have invested FOUR HUNDRED TRIPS to the gas station in your first 100,000 miles. For the lucky, the trip is on their normal route, for others, four hundred special trips. I call that heavy maintenance! 100,000 miles @ $3.50/gal and avg of 28 miles/gal costs $12,500.  Calculate your own

EV: You have plugged and unplugged daily for eight years normally taking 3-5 seconds. The difference being 90 percent are done at the convenience of your home, not investing in an additional four hundred visits to the pump. Average cost 3.5 cents/mile $3500. Check out what EV drivers say about this.     :icon_mrgreen:

Spark Plugs and wires

ICE:  Generally recommended in the first 100,000. Cost DIY $60 Shop $200.

EV:No thanks!   ;D


Muffler
(and a tail pipe)  8)

 
ICE: Location and driving distance are just a few issues that will determine the life of your muffler.  Short distances do not give time for condensation to dry out thus shortening the life unless it is stainless steel. It is also a high probability that you have to replace more than just the muffler. Generally $100-$250

EV:No thanks!  ;D



Brakes

ICE: Depending on your vehicle and driving style, you will probably have at least 2 trips to your mechanic in the first 100,000. Will budget $200 per visit so call it $400

EV:  The regenerative brakes will cut your visits to the mechanic in half. Still we will plan on one visit in the first 100,000. Costs $200
   ;D
 

The big 100,000 mile maintenance

Ka-Ching!  :P

 
ICE: Timing belts are recommended every 60,000-100,000 with most ICEs not equipped with timing chains. In fact, most recommend that you go ahead and replace the water pump while you are at it. Most service centers will charge for the pump only since the labor is already invested in the timing belt. Cost $600- $800 for the timing belt only. $900- $1100 for both.

Other possible expenses that the ICE can encounter in the first 100,000 include a catalytic converter and automatic transmission as some of the more expensive possibilities.

 
Leaf Battery replacement
(http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/leaf-battery.png)
Refurbished 23kWh battery for $5500
  :(
 
EV: The big “potential” cost is the battery replacement. At 100,000 miles, your battery may have lost up to 20% of its range, though studies from the American Chemical society predict well managed batteries may last up to twenty years. Unlike the timing belt, you are not running the risk of damaging your vehicle by continuing to drive, so many may continue to drive without this expense. The initial cost in 2012 was around $500-$600/kWh. Studies show this cost could drop to $150-$250/kWh in the next 5-8 years which happens to be the warranty period for most EV battery systems. Already 2013 is showing some packs at 400/kWh.

Some batteries are designed in such a manner as to replace modules opposed to the entire pack which will generally be the better OEM solution. This has allowed some 24kWh OEM refurbished packs to be offered for $5500 or $240/kWh with a core charge.  Parity has arrived.

Ease of installation also matters. GM and Nissan are able to offer low labor rates due to their easy access.  You should be aware of the installation labor cost before making a purchase.  This price is based on the design, not the future cost of the battery.

It is still too early to realize the aftermarket pricing but this is sure to follow. With a large number of early adopters also investing in solar, it is likely that they may keep their old battery as a future solar home battery back up if core values are too small.

Also for the EV with a renewed battery solution, you effectively have hit the reset button for the next 100,000. Not the case for the ICE. The mechanical components of the ICE continue to wear and are now subject to the same continual maintenance as well as at least one major service call on the way to 200,000 miles.  But this is not the largest looming cost. At this point, we are 10-15 years into rising gas and lowering battery cost . By this time, rising gas and lowering battery costs, have almost certainly made the ICE a relic on the road to 200,000 miles.

Now you might think that I am implying that the EV is unbreakable.  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_2932.gif)
This obviously with anything mechanical is not the case. I am first and foremost pointing out the huge imbalance in regular maintenance. I made mention of possible failures with the ICE like the automatic transmission. I challenge you once again to review your own ICE service file to better understand the extra cost you may have been trying to forget.  ;)

You will have similar possibilities with the EV with anything in the electrical system from inverters to  rectifiers. One major difference being that in most good EV warranties, the electrical system is covered for the first 100,000 miles, which is the emphasis of this piece.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png) So if you are considering your first EV, make sure to ask for a specific breakdown of what is covered in their warranty.  Though nothing is maintenance free, I think you will find a huge imbalance in favor of the EV.


http://insideevs.com/ev-vs-ice-maintenance-the-first-100000-miles/ (http://insideevs.com/ev-vs-ice-maintenance-the-first-100000-miles/)

RE,
You may claim the above is "just" maintenance and has NOTHING TO DO with energy required to move the vehicle. Oh yes it DOES! Maintenance USES ENERGY! A lot of it!. 400 trips to the gas station are part of your ICE DUTIES, are they not? That uses ENERGY, does it not?

And so on.
(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)

(http://i.imgur.com/WZv0w.png)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 28, 2014, 10:39:28 pm
EV vs. ICE - True cost of ownership

cmaso | August 26, 2013

Wanted to share this with those who are thinking about an MS.

My watts/mi for the first 3,000 mi has been ~295, that means I can go ~3.4 mi/kW, and I pay $.11 per kW. A comp ICE vehicle (V6) would get ~20 mpg combined city/hwy (current gas prices are ~$4.00)... do a little math and that's ~$12,250 per year for gas compared to $585 per year for electricity. Not to put too fine a point on it... for the first 125,000 miles it would cost me ~$85,000 for gas vs. ~4,000 for electricity.
  :o

I know it's not the right car for everyone, but I think we are at the point where the market needs to stop calling this an $80,000 car. When you buy a MS you are converting the majority of the operating expense to a capitol expense. The result is a higher upfront cost, but a much lower monthly recurring fee to operate it...

http://www.teslamotors.com/en_AU/forum/forums/ev-vs-ice-true-cost-ownership (http://www.teslamotors.com/en_AU/forum/forums/ev-vs-ice-true-cost-ownership)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 29, 2014, 12:09:54 am
RE,
The Gooberment did the math on the EV vs the CV (conventional Vehicle powered by an ICE) with a study that covered all the bases from manufacturing to market to customer to maintenance. You KNOW they aren't going do a puff piece on the EV. They did the costs figuring an ICE manufacturer would be introducing the EVs. They figured the ICE cost would go UP as the EVs got into full production. At any rate, they did the math on the energy and maintenance after the cars are sold. The study is hard boiled nuts and bolts. The EV WINS! It uses LESS energy all around! :emthup: :icon_sunny:

(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-280914235437.png)

Same link as in the graphic above for the detailed study.
http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/HV/14.pdf

And all that BEFORE the modern Lithium batteries came in!

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4060108544/h02E25C97/)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 29, 2014, 11:47:04 pm
Vehicle Choice Overload


A guide to overcoming powertrain paralysis

(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)


(http://blog.rmi.org/Content/Images/blog_2014_09_22_Figure_1.png)

Full article here:

http://blog.rmi.org/blog_2014_09_22_vehicle_choice_overload (http://blog.rmi.org/blog_2014_09_22_vehicle_choice_overload)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 04, 2014, 10:22:41 pm
by TreeHugger
October 4, 2014
9:00 am

California Could Soon Mandate All New Housing to Be ‘Electric Vehicle Capable’

Written by Michael Graham Richard

Some things are a lot easier and less expensive if you have foresight. When you’re building a new house, it might cost a few extra bucks (estimates vary from $50 to $200) to future proof it with wiring that can handle the 240v/40 amps required to recharge an electric car relatively rapidly (nowhere near as fast as a Supercharger station, but fast enough considering that most plug-ins spend many hours parked overnight and during work days). But if the house is already built and you need to upgrade the wiring, that can cost a bundle more… It might even be enough to discourage some from even upgrading and replacing their gas-guzzler with an electron-powered ride.

That’s where foresight comes into play. Palo Alto has already changed its building code to make sure that new houses will be pre-wired for plug-ins, which was a great idea. So great that the whole state of California is apparently moving in that direction. David Herron reports that draft building code documents contain provisions for new housing and parking lots to have wiring and electrical systems that can handle EV charging.

Part of the big deal of this is that it would apply to multi-family housing and parking lots, making it easier for condo and apartment dwellers to ditch oil even if they don’t have a private garage where they could recharge.
  ;D

This new building code could start to take effect in 2015-2016. Hopefully buildings are already ahead of the curve and future-proofing their new buildings already, but nothing can make as big a difference as having this in the official building code that everybody has to follow. I hope that other states (and countries) do the same.

New house buyers should also ask if the wiring can handle 40 amps 240v charging at a minimum. Even if you don’t buy an EV for 5 years, you’ll be glad you checked when you do  ;D


Read more: http://www.treehugger.com/cars/california-could-soon-mandate-all-new-housing-be-electric-vehicle-capable.html#ixzz3FEVzSD6M
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 13, 2014, 02:53:46 pm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Venucia_e30_01_Auto_China_2014-04-23.jpg)
Venucia e30 a five-seater hatchback electric car developed by a joint venture between Japan's Nissan Motor Co and China's Dongfeng Motor Co.

Top 10 cheapest new energy cars promoted in China  (http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/chinese-emoticon-22648577.jpg)

 Updated: 2014-09-17 10:32  (chinadaily.com.cn)
 

China started waiving nationwide the 10 percent vehicle purchase tax for a total of 17 new energy passenger car models, including fully-electric and plug-in hybrid cars.

Only six models on the list are available in the market, while 11 are still in the planning stage.

The country has been giving subsidies ranging from 33,250 yuan to 57,000 yuan ($5,410 to 9,280) to buyers of selected new energy cars since September 2013.

(http://chinaautoweb.com/blog1/wp-content/gallery/zotye-zhidou-ev/zotye-zhidou-e20-ev-009.jpg)
Zotye's Zhidou E20

Here are the 10 new energy car models having lowest manufacturer suggested retail price and are on the favorable policy list: (pictures and details at link)


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/motoring/2014-09/17/content_18612888.htm
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 23, 2014, 08:22:44 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWrhQifMuSc&feature=player_embedded
Electric bus service replace ALL diesel powered busses in Seoul, Korea by 2020!  ;D
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 25, 2014, 04:34:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYL6NyU1g3k&feature=player_embedded
Move over, battery powered busses, here come the Ultra Capacitor (unlimited charge cycles!) powered buses!  ;D
Note: this video is from 2009 so you can be sure the technology has improved considerably. If you haven't heard more about this solution to public transportation WITHOUT the need of polluting fossil fuels, thank the bought and paid for media for it.  >:(

Here's a 2010 video with better resolution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rg-SsPJuU&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 25, 2014, 05:10:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4L20yc4JxE&feature=player_embedded

January 2014 Wireless charging bus service in Milton Keynes   ;D
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 25, 2014, 06:51:30 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JpMTWdPZ6c&feature=player_embedded
Proterra Ecoliner Electric Bus - Jay Leno's Garage
Very educational discussion of materials used in construction, powertrain, charging system, etc.! Enjoy!  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 25, 2014, 07:21:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoFVO31CbE0&feature=player_embedded
The Tesla Model S is amazing.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxR99bGYEAQ&feature=player_embedded
Model S does GREAT in Norway's Winter!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrI5hhSKzAQ&feature=player_embedded
Winter Rock and Roll fun in a Model S!  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/wind14.gif)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on November 25, 2014, 07:02:00 pm
11/25/2014 01:50 PM      print story email story    ShareThis 

China, First to Commercialize Electric Airplane  (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif)  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/computer3.gif)


SustainableBusiness.com News

Yesterday, we reported that Toyota will start sales of the first mass produced fuel cell car next month, and today we learned that China is about to begin mass production of an electric airplane.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)

 If RX1E succeeds commercially, China will be the technology leader in the field. The first manned electric flight was back in 1973, but until now these aircraft haven't made it past the demonstration phase.

 The two-seater, light-duty aircraft runs on electric motors and can be powered by fuel-cells, solar, ultracapacitors, power beaming or batteries. It can fly for 90 minutes on fully charged batteries, and charging the 10 kilowatt-hour batteries takes only 40 minutes at a cost of $0.80.

(http://www.flyer.co.uk/aviation-news/image.php?iid=2074)
The Rui Xiang (RX1E) by Aviation Electric China

 Airplanes of this size are commonly used by police, for flight training, mapping surveys, and just for fun by flying aficionados.

Liaoning General Aviation Academy, which designed and aircraft, hopes to sell 100 within three years, and plans to build a dedicated manufacturing plant that can make 100 a year in Shenyang. It will sell for $163,000, lithium batteries included.

 Electric airplanes have lots of advantages - easy maintenance, low operating costs, high safety levels and obvious environmental attributes. 

In September, the first emissions reduction program in the US aviation industry took off, starting with airports.

Read our article, Buzzword is Electric For Future of Aviation.    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)


http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/26024

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 01, 2014, 01:56:11 am
An Electric Tuk Tuk!   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)
(http://www.go100percent.org/cms/uploads/pics/bangladesh_borak_02.jpg)
Solar powered car hits Dhaka streets
Photo credit: Solar for Bangladesh

100% Renewable Rural Communities in Bangladesh   (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-object-098.gif)

100% Renewable Energy Goal Achieved:  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)

100% Renewable First-Time Electricity For Rural Villagers   

Location: Bangladesh   


Summary: 


As is the case for most rural communities in developing countries, grid access is extremely limited in rural Bangladesh, and renewable energy has been a cost effective, pragmatic solution for providing electricity to these areas.   In 2002, only 30% of the 162 million people of Bangladesh had access to electricity, greatly impairing quality of life and economic development. In response, the International Development Agency (IDA) financed the Rural Electrification and Renewable Energy Development project, which in just seven years, raised the percentage of people with electricity to 40%--all with decentralized renewable energy. The project brought renewable power to more than 600,000 people who had never before had electricity.  (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg) 

The technology mix included 320,000 new solar homes (far surpassing the original target of 50,000) and a 250 kw biomass plant that uses rice husk as its feedstock and produces electricity for 300 homes and shops. The project was implemented by the Rural Electrification Board through its rural electric cooperatives, in partnership with NGOs and private sector companies.

(http://www.go100percent.org/cms/uploads/pics/bangladesh_pv_demo_02.jpg)
A woman engineer demonstrating a Solar Home System. Photo credit: Grameen Shakti  (http://www.smile-day.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Smiley-Thumbs-Up2.jpg)

The benefits were many for those with this new electricity.  Children's study time is reported to have increased by approximately 6%,  children's sick days from school dropped 20%, home businesses rose 8%, household chore times decreased by 6%, and distribution network losses went down about 6%.

The total cost of the program was US$290 million. Financing was provided by IDA, the Global Environment Fund (GEF), the Government of Bangladesh, and local communities. The financing structure consisted of micro-credit loans and up to 80% refinancing for participating organizations through the central Infrastructure Development Company.   

(http://www.go100percent.org/cms/uploads/pics/bangladesh_delta_01.jpg)
The end of the Ganges river: the Indian delta, Bangladesh (NASA)

The project's success attracted other financial support partners to come on board, including the Asian Development Bank, KfW and GTZ (German development bank and German international cooperation enterprise). The Inter-American Development Bank, the Japan Bank for International Cooperation and the Global Partnership on Output-Based Aid have also shown interest in participating. 

Bangladesh has set a target of providing 1 million rural consumers with solar home systems by 2012, and the country is aiming for 100% rural electricity access by 2020. To help accomplish these ambitious goals, IDA is committed to strengthening the managerial capacity of the Rural Electrification Board. And in August 2009, IDA approved additional financing of about US$ 130 million to expand Bangladesh's rural renewable electricity project. 

Links:
World Bank
Grameen Shakti
The Un Refugee Agency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YTNWRgHYqw&feature=player_embedded

http://www.go100percent.org/cms/index.php?id=80&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=126&cHash=a3fd2bdc6e88e6cf10419f99fc23a006

Title: Can EVs Ever Be Completely Powered by PVs?
Post by: AGelbert on December 04, 2014, 07:19:01 pm
Can EVs Ever Be Completely Powered by PVs?  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

The Engineer posted on November 07, 2014 | 3 Comments

solar, PV, nanotech, cars, batteries, EVA

A car powered by its own body panels could soon be driving on our roads after a breakthrough in nanotechnology research by a QUT team.   (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg)

Researchers have developed lightweight "supercapacitors" that can be combined with regular batteries to dramatically boost the power of an electric car. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/za4.gif)


The discovery was made by Postdoctoral Research Fellow Dr Jinzhang Liu, Professor Nunzio Motta and PhD researcher Marco Notarianni, from QUT's Science and Engineering Faculty - Institute for Future Environments, and PhD researcher Francesca Mirri and Professor Matteo Pasquali, from Rice University in Houston, in the United States.

The supercapacitors - a "sandwich" of electrolyte between two all-carbon electrodes - were made into a thin and extremely strong film with a high power density.

The film could be embedded in a car's body panels, roof, doors, bonnet and floor - storing enough energy to turbocharge an electric car's battery in just a few minutes.

The findings, published in the Journal of Power Sources and the Nanotechnology journal, mean a car partly powered by its own body panels could be a reality within five years, Mr Notarianni said.

"Vehicles need an extra energy spurt for acceleration, and this is where supercapacitors come in. They hold a limited amount of charge, but they are able to deliver it very quickly, making them the perfect complement to mass-storage batteries," he said.

"Supercapacitors offer a high power output in a short time, meaning a faster acceleration rate of the car and a charging time of just a few minutes, compared to several hours for a standard electric car battery."

Dr Liu said currently the "energy density" of a supercapacitor is lower than a standard lithium ion (Li-Ion) battery, but its "high power density", or ability to release power in a short time, is "far beyond" a conventional battery.

"Supercapacitors are presently combined with standard Li-Ion batteries to power electric cars, with a substantial weight reduction and increase in performance," he said.

"In the future, it is hoped the supercapacitor will be developed to store more energy than a Li-Ion battery while retaining the ability to release its energy up to 10 times faster - meaning the car could be entirely powered by the supercapacitors in its body panels.

"After one full charge this car should be able to run up to 500km - similar to a petrol-powered car and more than double the current limit of an electric car."

Dr Liu said the technology would also potentially be used for rapid charges of other battery-powered devices.

"For example, by putting the film on the back of a smart phone to charge it extremely quickly," he said.

The discovery may be a game-changer for the automotive industry, with significant impacts on financial, as well as environmental, factors.

"We are using cheap carbon materials to make supercapacitors and the price of industry scale production will be low," Professor Motta said.

"The price of Li-Ion batteries cannot decrease a lot because the price of Lithium remains high. This technique does not rely on metals and other toxic materials either, so it is environmentally friendly if it needs to be disposed of." (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/treeswing.gif)

Source: QUT

http://www.engineering.com/DesignerEdge/DesignerEdgeArticles/ArticleID/8895/Can-EVs-Ever-Be-Completly-Powered-by-PVs.aspx

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Title: PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle: PART 1 of 5 parts
Post by: AGelbert on December 16, 2014, 11:41:56 pm
PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 1 of 5 parts

For everyone in general and JoeP in particular, the following presentation is an overview with some pertinent information. It does get into some details but PART 1 excludes a detailed cost benefit analysis and cost comparison (including the environmental costs). I'll get to that later.


1. This Consumer Reports video is one year old but has pertinent info about The Prius, Volt and Leaf at 13:00 - 16:00. The Tesla Model S is discussed at 23:14 - 27:44.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBb3YUmInIY&feature=player_embedded


2. Are American cars getting better?   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191404.bmp) Consumer Reports says YES! First 5 minutes covers why GM is improving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m87HaGNXwdY&feature=player_embedded

3. Consumer Reports on hybrid cars August 2013. Volt discussion at 9:30-11:30. Discussion of how batteries are NOT having negative environmental impact at 14:24-16:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm9_GAsihpA&feature=player_embedded


4. Great video on the nuts and bolts cost comparison of hybrids and non-hybrid internal combustion engine powered vehicles.
Watch all of it. This guy did his homework. He stumbles his words sometimes but his data is solid. Brake maintenance basically does not happen for 150,000 miles due to regenerative braking. Excellent!
Battery pack life seems to be non-issue on a PHEV. More on that later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh_V1zwmCOA&feature=player_embedded


5. Chevy Volt Engineering is advanced, prudent and saves on BOTH weight and cost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMokamy19kg&feature=player_embedded


6. Chevy Volt 2013 PLUG IN Hybrid review (pretty thorough). It has four driving modes. I like the flexibility the plug in feature gives to recharge the battery with solar power rather than burning gasoline to do it. That means a smaller carbon footprint. You CAN always drive 35 to 40 miles pure EV every day as long as you can plug in charge it in your garage at night. Charging at work will extend that.  Also, you NEVER have range anxiety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFGyM40F774&feature=player_embedded

7. Consumer Reports 2014 Volt review.
One Volt owner was not happy with the review. He thinks Consumer Reports low balled some numbers.
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David Wilson  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2mo5pow.gif)
I find Consumer Reports' review of the Chevy Volt lacking credibility. My worst electric range was 37 miles on a charge and best has been 47. For this guy to say he gets 20 mpg on a charge seems like he is purposely attacking the Volt with false accusations. Look at the video at 3:36 and you will see what appears to be a full charge and range of 36 EV miles. If CR was really getting less, the computer would average it, and show less. I get 400 range, not 300 like he said. Pathetic review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLy3e3uIcds&feature=player_embedded

End of PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 1 of 5 parts

PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 2 of 5 parts (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/renewables/electric-vehicles/msg2406/#msg2406)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 17, 2014, 09:53:53 pm
The ICE powered car is the car mechanic's license to lie, cheat and steal, PERIOD!  :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb4YanZYH8E&feature=player_embedded
Of course they are "hard at work" thinking up scams for the PEV and the PHEV too.  >:(

But it's a bit harder for the mechanic to charge more for maintenance when you DON'T have an ICE garage queen that requires many visits to said mechanic ( i.e. less moving parts means less maintenance).   ;)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 17, 2014, 09:56:22 pm
I just learned that the people that designed the battery pack for the Volt worked in Hughes satellite battery systems! These scientist engineers plan for endurance in harsh environments. GM brought in a good team for that car.  :emthup:

(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2012-chevrolet-volt_100375658_m.jpg)
Structural enhancements to fit to Chevy Volt electric car to avoid post-crash battery-pack fires (2012) .

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1071491_nhtsa-chevy-volt-battery-pack-fix-ok-ends-investigation (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1071491_nhtsa-chevy-volt-battery-pack-fix-ok-ends-investigation)

(http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Chevy-Volt-Battery-Warranty.jpg)

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Title: PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle: PART 2 of 5 parts
Post by: AGelbert on December 18, 2014, 07:55:15 pm
PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 2 of 5 parts
Alternate humility   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)  expressing title:
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)CFS (common forking sense) transportation in a world of logic challenged Homo SAPS.

Anybody in the lower forty eight considering purchasing an EV or a PHEV needs, first of all, to know where their electric "gas" stations are.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2012/07/myford-ev-stations.jpg)
The above image is from a MyFordMobile app. It has nothing to do with Ford cars. It appears that eight states have the lion's share of "not at home in the garage" charge spots.

The battery pack is a BIG deal. So let's discuss their use or abuse. If you a have a pure electric and drive between 9k and 12k (average 10.5k) a year and you plan to own the vehicle for 10 years, you will need a new battery pack in, 9.5 years.
To increase consumer confidence, manufacturers have warranted the batteries for time periods deemed pretty long even by internal combustion car standards.

Typically it’s eight years, and mileage is usually at least 100,000 miles.
http://www.hybridcars.com/how-long-will-an-evs-battery-last/ (http://www.hybridcars.com/how-long-will-an-evs-battery-last/)

If you have a a PHEV and drive between 9k and 12k (average 10.5k) a year and you plan to own the vehicle for 10 years, you will need a new battery pack in, you will need a new battery pack, uh, NEVER.  This fellow says they can go 300,000 miles in New York City Taxis.
[embed=640,380]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh_V1zwmCOA#[/embed]

The article below talks about a Volt owner that has gone past the 120,000 mile mark without changing the battery pack. HOWEVER, 46,000-plus miles were done on electricity. The guy commutes 220 miles round trip A DAY!  :o

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"As Belmer tells InsideEVs, the Volt was purchased on March 28, 2012. Since then, it’s seen a daily commute of 220 miles there and back, with a single longest trip of 430 miles in a day.
At 120,000-plus miles, Belmer seems to love his Volt now more than ever.

What’s not to love when oil changes come every 38,000 miles and tire rotations every 10,000 miles. That’s basically all the maintenance that’s been required on Belmer’s Volt."

Chevy Volt Owner Zips Past 120,000 Miles
12 months ago by Eric Loveday
http://insideevs.com/chevy-volt-owner-zips-past-120000-miles/ (http://insideevs.com/chevy-volt-owner-zips-past-120000-miles/)

So, the person that buys a used PHEV must be prepared to deal with the battery pack replacement. I expect the depreciation math of PEVs and PHEVs will be even more mileage based than with gasoline only cars. Unlike the old used salesman pitch about the car that was just used on Sundays by grandma making it more valuable (if you like a sitting rust bucket  :P), a seldom used PHEV or EV really IS more valuable, just from the battery pack standpoint. We shall see.

And provided your regenerative brake technology does not fail in 100,000 miles, you won't ever have to change the brakes, either. (http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/2thumbs.gif)


(http://www.ev-charging-infrastructure-2012.com/media/images/uploaded/evbuk13.151.featured.jpg)
(http://www.greenbiz.com/sites/default/files/styles/gbz_article_primary_breakpoints_kalapicture_screen-md_1x/public/images/articles/featured/800px-evchargestationsign.jpg?itok=VowfYuvI)
A sign to get familiar with.
(http://www.tirebusiness.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/TB/20140714/NEWS/140719963/AR/0/verdek,-ev,-electric-vehicle,-charging-station-.jpg&maxW=618&cci_ts=20140714125038)
(http://www.aprs.org/Energy/Charging/Pay-monthly-carX.JPG)(http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/SUS/PublishingImages/leaf_charging_station.jpg)
Is your new home away from home free or not?
(http://www.transportation.anl.gov/publications/transforum/v11/v11n1/images/ev_charging.jpg)
Is the juice Renewable Energy powered like the above?
(http://cleantechnica.com/files/2014/03/ChargePoint_Infographic_EV_Growth.jpg)
The above is important. Someday you will sell the car. The main market for them is where the more people are buying them.
(http://images.blog.autoshopper.com/770_2011-Chevrolet-Volt-charging-image.jpg)(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2011/03/chevrolet-volt-charging.jpg)
Google Maps now tell you where  the Charging Stations are.

The charging stations are now standardized (as of 2012). The speed with which your batteries are charged varies with the level of the charger. Not said for those who want the fastest charging rate (the most expensive chargers) is that routine slow charging extends battery pack life. Routine fast charging will shorten it. Be real. Most of us park our cars and leave them parked for several hours at a time either at work or at home. Assume you will, as a matter of prudence, economy, cost savings and common sense, use slow charging routinely.   (http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/2thumbs.gif)  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191456.bmp)


The standard for chargers comes from the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers):
SAE International Releases New Fast-Charging Combo Coupler Standard (SAE J1772) for Plug-In Electric and Electric Vehicles

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WARRENDALE, Pa., Oct. 15, 2012
“This new technical standard is a real game-changer,” Andrew Smart, Director of Industry Relations and Business Development for SAE International, said. “It reflects the advancements in technology within PHEV and EV engineering and we are pleased to represent the collaborative efforts within industry that made it possible.”

The standard represents the future of charging technology and smart grid interaction, while addressing the needs of today. Such needs include reduced times at public charging stations, enabling consumers to travel greater distances in their PHEV’s and EV’s.

“This new standard reflects the many hours that top industry experts from around the world worked to achieve the best charging solution – a solution that helps vehicle electrification technology move forward.” Gery Kissel, Engineering Specialist, Global Battery Systems, GM, and SAE J1772™ Task Force Chairman, said. “We now can offer users of this technology various charging options in one combined design.”

The original version of J1772 defined AC Level 1 and AC Level 2 charge levels and specified a conductive charge coupler and electrical interfaces for AC Level 1 and AC Level 2 charging. The new revision incorporates DC charging where DC Level 1 and DC Level 2 charge levels, charge coupler and electrical interfaces are defined. The standard was developed in cooperation with the European automotive experts who also adopted and endorsed a combo strategy in their approach.
http://www.sae.org/servlets/pressRoom?OBJECT_TYPE=PressReleases&PAGE=showRelease&RELEASE_ID=1897 (http://www.sae.org/servlets/pressRoom?OBJECT_TYPE=PressReleases&PAGE=showRelease&RELEASE_ID=1897)

These charging systems are not just about charging the car. They are designed to incorporate using your car's battery pack as an emergency power plant for your house!  :o   (http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/2thumbs.gif)

I realize some wise guy might try to charge at some free place during the day and juice his house with it at night but that would be dumb. Why? Because he would increase the number of charge and discharge cycles of his battery pack and thereby shorten the life of the rather costly battery pack even with short driving distances.

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GM official said,

“The combined charging approach will reduce development and infrastructure complexity, improve charging reliability, reduce the total cost-of-ownership for end customers and provide low maintenance costs.”

The new standard will also speed the transition to a two-way, interactive power grid that incorporates vehicle batteries as a significant energy source. For example, car owners could use their vehicle battery for auxiliary power at home or to run other equipment, or they could sell excess power back to the grid.

In an SAE article in 2012 by Patrick Ponticel, Gross explained:

“We [GM] learned a lot of lessons on the EV1, and we have vowed to make sure some of the hard lessons learned don’t happen again. One lesson is that we can’t go it alone on infrastructure, and on the standard for infrastructure… So we vowed on the [Chevrolet] Volt program to not proceed until the industry had condensed around charging infrastructure.”

GM apparently took no chances when developing the Volt.   (http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/2thumbs.gif)
According to Ponticel, GM’s Engineering Specialist for Global Codes and Standards Development, Gery Kissel, also chairs the SAE International J1772 Task Force

Full 2012 article of technology that is now, as of 2014, in place.

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/08/gm-ford-and-chrysler-adopt-new-sae-standard-for-ev-charging-ports/ (http://cleantechnica.com/2012/05/08/gm-ford-and-chrysler-adopt-new-sae-standard-for-ev-charging-ports/)

End of PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 2 of  5 parts

Continued in
PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 3 of  5 parts (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/renewables/electric-vehicles/msg2430/#msg2430)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 20, 2014, 07:24:25 pm
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 21, 2014, 04:10:47 pm
PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 3 of 5 parts

Tesla claims      (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191404.bmp) that you CAN use fast charging routinely WITHOUT shortening your battery pack life.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-300714025456.bmp)

Will slow charge extend battery life?
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justineet | 20 Juin 2013

This is an interesting -- good -- question....in other words, does fast charging -- especially supercharging -- affect the life span of the battery pack negatively in any significant way??? Reports indicate, NO! That is primarily due to Tesla's innovation to run the battery cells through cool and hot cycles during the charging and operation stages so the battery cells are always at optimum temp range required to extend the life span. Tesla reportedly has proven this in the labs.
But one thing for sure will shorten the life span of your battery pack is leaving your battery in complete or near complete(deep) discharge state for long periods of time. So you should always try to never leave your car in deep discharge state for an extended period of time. Frequent deep discharging is not also recommended. Tesla probably has incorporated a safety circuit to avoid deep discharge state. Still frequent deep discharging is not recommended. Even with deep discharge safety circuit on board, the battery pack might still go below the "safe" discharge level since batteries continue to self discharge on their own at some rate.
http://www.teslamotors.com/fr_CA/forum/forums/will-slow-charge-extend-battery-life (http://www.teslamotors.com/fr_CA/forum/forums/will-slow-charge-extend-battery-life)

My take is that unnecessary fast charging is a bad idea. A slow charge would slightly improve charge efficiency (ratio of Wh stored to Wh from the wall) since the HEAT dissipated by the power feeders is proportional to the SQUARE of current.


So, very roughly speaking, charging at 30A will result in approximately half the heat when compared to 40A. And 20A will result in a quarter of the heat when compared to 40A.
At 40A, the batteries (and the charging equipment) get hotter and the actual energy transfer is less efficient (i.e. less environmentally friendly) so don't do it unless you have to.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/301.gif)


ICE powered cars. PEVs and PHEVs: The Truth about their Impact (Damage) to the Biosphere:

As far as the environmental impact of vehicle carbon footprint, the giant, huge, polluting, biosphere poisoning ELEPHANT in the room is the internal combustion engine AND the LEAD ACID battery toxicity that THOSE ICE powered cars cause to the environment. I wrote about the lead acid pollution her over a year ago. It's somewhere in the DD Dustbin if you want to learn another way first world ****S trash the third world.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183312.bmp)

Lead acid batteries are a HORROR to the environment, whereas the PEV and PHEV battery pack infrastructure is almost fully recyclable (as well as valuable and in demand in a secondary market).

In other words, the HUGE, but long lasting and fully recyclable battery pack has LESS environmental impact than the lead acid battery, relatively tiny battery on an ICE powered car!

Yes Monsta and Charles Hall (the creative number cruncher  ;) (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191329.bmp) for EROEI on behalf OF BIG OIL), a Lot of Lithium is being mined and it takes a lot more energy to do that than the industrial process that brings us lead acid batteries.

So? Once that battery pack is built, the emissions and environmental impact STOP. The ICE powered car with the lead acid battery has FUTURE negative impact(s) in lead acid battery pollution and fuel use pollution translating to tremendous damage to the environment.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183337.bmp) 

Because of the fuel and the lead acid battery, the ICE powered car has a much higher, and a toxic one at that, carbon footprint.

The PHEV does have an environmental impact with its ICE but it's is tiny in comparison because MUCH less energy is used to mine for the materials and build it. And the PHEV, if used properly, has negligible engine pollution and  maintenance (an ICE small engine rarely used NEVER needs an overhaul and rarely needs an oil change, period).

What about the car body along with the engine metal? ???

At present, about 75 to 80 percent of the steel that goes into a car of any type is recycled. So the issue is, HOW MUCH STEEL BY WEIGHT is used.  A PEV or a PHEV requires LESS of everything in weight and quantity. That's the bonus of engineering a car to have less weight in order to maximize pure EV range. Again, the PEV or PHEV is the better choice, environmentally speaking. Keeping the ICE in a PHEV from polluting is within the control of the PHEV owner.  (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg)

That choice is not open to the owner of a car that just runs on gasoline or diesel. The PEV and the PHEV are both easier on the environment, in regard to initial manufacturing AND recycling, than the ICE powered car. Remember the energy required to make a large ICE is multiples of that required to make the relatively small ICE for a PHEV. 

From a National Geographic article:

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Production, recycling, and disposal costs to the environment are difficult to quantify and largely beyond the control of most consumers. They are also relatively minor.

Most of an automobiles’ environmental impact, perhaps 80 to 90 percent, will be due to fuel consumption and emissions of air pollution and greenhouse gases that climate scientists say are driving global warming. Fortunately, the level of that impact is very much under the control of the driver.

Fuel Costs

Petroleum products raise environmental red flags even before they are burned. Extracting them from the earth is an energy-intensive process that can damage local ecosystems. Shipping fuels can also consume a lot of energy, and creates an occasional environmental disaster such as an oil spill. As world demand rises, and unconventional fuel sources, such as oil sands, become more economically viable, the ecological impacts of petroleum extraction might also increase dramatically. That’s one more reason why fuel efficiency is so important.

Air Quality

Vehicles are America’s biggest air quality compromisers, producing about one-third of all U.S. air pollution. The smog, carbon monoxide, and other toxins emitted by vehicles are especially troubling because they leave tailpipes at street level, where humans breathe the polluted air directly into their lungs. That can make auto emissions an even more immediate health concern than toxins emitted high in the sky by industrial smokestacks.
http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/green-guide/buying-guides/car/environmental-impact/ (http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/green-guide/buying-guides/car/environmental-impact/)

The bottom line is that the ICE powered car is far more environmentally UNFRIENDLY than the PEV or PHEV. However, I agree that a bicycle (with solar charged electric boost) is better if you can handle that. Monsta might suggest a bare bicycle is the only truly environmentally friendly option, howevah.  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6869.gif) He is such a purist! (http://www.smileysnetwork.com/sport/velo32.gif)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53rsISWpsMU&feature=player_embedded
Happy peddling! The above green transportation is recommended if you have bike paths to keep cars from running you down and NOT recommended if your daily destination work place is more than 10 miles away without shower facilities.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

ANECDOTE ALERT: (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6961.gif) Back in 1979-81 in Syracuse, New York, I had a "hybrid" powered bike. I bought a tiny two cycle ICE that fitted with a roller on to the front wheel when I applied it with a lever. I would bike 8 miles to the Control Tower (during the summer only) using renewable energy (me) as the main power source. I got lazy after a while and just applied the roller most of the time. That didn't work too well when it rained; wet rubber on wet rubber is the embodiment of slippin' and slidin'. At any rate, I saved a ton of gasoline.
Below please find a reasonable fascimile of what I called my "Arab Buster".
[embed=640,380]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7vaqTeP6X4#[/embed]


Here's another excellent article from the MIT Technology Review that directly answers Surly's carbon footprint question:
July 12, 2013
Are Electric Vehicles Better for the Environment than Gas-Powered Ones?

Comparing electric and gas-powered versions of the same car show the environmental benefits of electric vehicles.

This week I met an owner of an Tesla Model S electric sedan who raised the question of whether electric vehicles are really better for the environment when you include the resources that go into making the battery and the impact of disposing of it. He was feeling uneasy about his environmental bona fides.

Renault recently made public a report that provides a fair assessment by comparing an electric version of its Fluence sedan with gas and diesel-powered versions of the same car. And it makes clear that electric cars are, indeed, better for the environment. The report is a life-cycle assessment, a “cradle to grave” analysis, including not only the emissions involved in using the car, but also the emissions from making it, the resources consumed in manufacturing, and a range of environmental impacts. It looked at not only greenhouse-gas emissions, but impacts on acid rain, ozone pollution, algae blooms, consumption of water and materials such as steel and copper, and total energy demand.(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6869.gif)  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/34y5mvr.gif)

The study found that while the environmental impact of making electric vehicles is greater* than for making gas and diesel vehicles, this is more than made up for by the greater impact of gas and diesel vehicles while they’re being used. This is true in terms of total energy consumption, use of resources, greenhouse gases, and ozone pollution. *The electric vehicles were assumed   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png) to be charged from a grid that includes significant amounts of fossil fuels.

Other studies show that electric vehicles beat gas-powered ones in terms of greenhouse gas emissions even if they’re charged in regions that depend heavily on coal.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/47b20s0.gif) Here’s one such study. (see link below) In some areas, hybrids are a better choice than electric cars.

Electric vehicles come out behind in two areas.  ::)  They contribute slightly more to acid rain. And they’re slightly worse in terms of causing algae blooms than gasoline cars (but better than diesel).
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/517146/are-electric-vehicles-better-for-the-environment-than-gas-powered-ones/ (http://www.technologyreview.com/view/517146/are-electric-vehicles-better-for-the-environment-than-gas-powered-ones/)

So, IF you are getting your electricity to power your battery pack from RENEWABLE ENERGY, you can tell the fossil fuelers that disingenuously claim you are just shifting the pollution for your "fuel" to a fossil fuel or nuclear power plant that, uh, well, see the detector reading below every time they make this claim.
(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-111214174727.png)




Meanwhile, in one of those 1% la la land Profit over Planet Havens (Dubai), they are buying bug out vehicles that are, well... Never mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6RdmEinhhI&feature=player_embedded
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The world's most expensive motorhome has gone on sale in Dubai - covered in gold and worth a cool £2 million.
The space-age eleMMent Palazzo comes complete with a colossal master bedroom, 40-inch TV, on-board bar, fireplace and even its own rooftop terrace.
But the most impressive piece of luxury is the 'Sky Lounge' - at the press of a button the 40ft home transforms into a personal retreat with pop up ****tail bar, underfloor heating and extravagant marble lighting.
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End of PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 3 of  5 parts

PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 4 of  5 parts (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/renewables/electric-vehicles/msg2472/#msg2472)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 29, 2014, 09:33:38 pm
PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  PART 4 of 5 parts
A couple of VERY relevant thoughts before diving into the numbers:

VERY RELEVANT THOUGHT NUMBER ONE:
24/7  Bernays consent manufactured, Convenient Cognitive Dissonance  AFFLICTS our consumer society victims when they CONSTANTLY FORGET to ask how long it will take, for example, a Buick Encore Premium to "pay for itself", in order to justify the hefty premium it demands over the Toyota Corolla.
(http://2015bestsuvreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2015-Buick-Encore-Premium.jpg)(http://www.amoralmotor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Toyota-Corolla-2014-420x215.jpg)
Two ICE powered cars. One costs thousands more than the other because, well, just BECAUSE! (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif)
Well, one good reason is that there's no objective sense in which it possibly could, so the question's just not worth asking, is it?
(http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2012/06/6967925966_ab0361191c_h.jpeg.662x0_q100_crop-scale.jpg)
Volt and Leaf getting REALLY cheap FUEL!

Ironically, it's because a PHEV like a Volt and also an EV like the LEAF in fact CAN reasonably be claimed to pay much of its own way that the argument turns quickly to whether it pays ALL its own way.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-291014182422.png) (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png)
That's a double standard, based on the reality that we've been trained to pay for brands and luxury features and levels of performance that are meaningless in everyday driving, and don't have any equivalent experience in valuing the unique appeal of EV/PHEV driving, something that the overwhelming majority of drivers have so far never bothered to experience for themselves.

VERY RELEVANT THOUGHT NUMBER TWO: The negative impact cost to the biosphere of an ICE only car  continues after the purchase of the vehicle to the point (and well beyond) of a GREATER amount of pollution than that generated to manufacture it! You are COMMITTING to damage the biosphere MORE by buying an ICE only car. The only way to minimze or eliminate ICE only car pollution is to not drive it.
So, if you are a responsible, caring human, you either avoid purchasing a car altogether (like Monsta) and stick to public transportation (or human powered devices like bicycles) OR you buy a PEV or a PHEV, PERIOD.
Some numbers on the Volt:

The Volt appears to cost a lot more than a Prius. The fact is that the Prius is more expensive when 5 years of driving 15k a year in both cars is figured.

From a one year old article:
"... one factor is the fuel savings you get from an electric car, but what really has GM-Volt.com all excited is that the numbers come out a lot better for the Chevy Volt than for Toyota’s Prius.

As Jeff Cobb of GM-Volt (the site is not affiliated with GM, btw) enthused last week:

As we enter the holiday season, you who chose a Volt may know it is like a gift that keeps on giving, whereas a Toyota Prius is an expense that ultimately costs more to own even though it sells for much less.
The numbers vary somewhat according to zip code so you can check them out for yourself at Edmunds, keeping in mind that there may be other algorithms out there.

The takeaway really is that when you go to buy a new car, you need to look at your costs over time rather than just the retail price."

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/12/21/true-cost-owning-chevy-volt-might-surprise/
(http://cleantechnica.com/files/2014/11/6a00d8341c4fbe53ef01b7c70ba5ba970b-800wi.jpg)
GM in China is making this tiny electric city car (Chevy EN-V 2.0). I like it. Monsta probably likes it. But I don't think Fazio (JoeP's boss) would go for it.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/11/28/chevy-en-v-2-0-used-ev-sharing-program/

So, let us concentrate on the Volt and an EV that costs about the same as the Volt. I am doing this in view of JoeP's purchase price budget. I'll throw in a typical ICE only powered car in the same initial cost price range for comparison of "competing" fossil fueler polluting piggery (2015 Chevrolet Impala  LT MSRP $36,000). 
(http://1-photos.ebizautos.com/new-2015-chevrolet-impala-lt-6468-12316302-1-640.jpg)
2015 Chevrolet Impala  LT, V6 Cylinder Engine, Transmission: 6 Spd Automatic, Drivetrain: Front Wheel Drive, City MPG: 19, Hwy MPG: 29, Tons/yr of CO2 Emissions @ 15K mi/year: 8.2,  Battery, 70AH, heavy-duty 512 cold-cranking amps.

The goodies that ALL have environmental costs:
KEY FEATURES INCLUDE
Rear Air, Satellite Radio, iPod/MP3 Input, Onboard Communications System, Dual Zone A/C MP3 Player, Keyless Entry, Remote Trunk Release, Child Safety Locks, Steering Wheel Controls.
More:
PREMIUM AUDIO AND SPORT WHEELS PACKAGE includes (UQS) Bose Centerpoint Surround Sound premium 11-speaker system, (C9B) ambient door lighting, (C9J) ambient instrument panel lighting, (KI6) 120-volt power outlet, (RT9) 19" aluminum wheels and (T43) rear spoiler, SUNROOF, POWER, TILT-SLIDING WITH ADDITIONAL SKYLIGHT FIXED GLASS AFT OF THE SLIDING GLASS with power sunshade, CONVENIENCE PACKAGE includes (UD7) Rear Park Assist, (UVC) Rear Vision Camera, (DD8) auto-dimming inside rearview mirror, (BTV) remote vehicle starter system, (UG1) Universal Home Remote, (B58) premium carpeted front and rear floor mats and (B36) carpeted trunk mat, PREMIUM SEATING PACKAGE includes (KA1) heated driver and front passenger seats, (AG2) 8-way power front passenger seat adjuster and (AP9) cargo convenience net, ADVANCED SAFETY PACKAGE includes (UEU) Forward Collision Alert, (UFG) Rear Cross-Traffic Alert, (UFL) Lane Departure Warning and (UFT) Side Blind Zone Alert, REAR VISION CAMERA, REMOTE VEHICLE STARTER SYSTEM, ENGINE, 3.6L DOHC V6 DI WITH VARIABLE VALVE TIMING (VVT) (305 hp {227.4 kW} @ 6800 rpm, 264 lb-ft of torque {356.4 N-m} @ 5200 rpm) (Includes E85 FlexFuel capability with (FE9) Federal emissions or (YF5/NE1 and NC7) California emissions with the Federal override only.) (STD)

Edmunds computed true cost to own for a non LT Impala (slightly cheaper):
$46,544 Edmunds True Cost to Own® Based on a 5-year estimate with 15,000 miles driven per year. Edmunds.com True Cost to Own® (TCO®) is proprietary data that helps you estimate the total five-year cost of buying and owning a vehicle - including some items you may not have taken into consideration. A benefit of using our TCO® tool is that you can easily compare the five-year totals for different vehicles and make a more informed choice.
http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/impala/2015/

Agelbert NOTE: The Edmunds estimate excludes all the biosphere impact costs from energy and pollution in mining for the materials, refining the metal and other materials and manufacturing the vehicle. The cost of 41 tons of CO2 (8.2 tons of CO2 per year for five years) is another fossil fuel SUBSIDY that your lungs and that of your dog, outside cat, your neighbors and your family and friends DO pay; so says the EPA:

"The Social Cost of Carbon
EPA and other federal agencies use the social cost of carbon (SCC) to estimate the climate benefits of rulemakings. The SCC is an estimate of the economic damages associated with a small increase in carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, conventionally one metric ton, in a given year. This dollar figure also represents the value of damages avoided for a small emission reduction (i.e. the benefit of a CO2 reduction).

The SCC is meant to be a comprehensive estimate of climate change damages and includes, but is not limited to, changes in net agricultural productivity, human health, and property damages from increased flood risk. However, given current modeling and data limitations, it does not include all important damages. As noted by the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, it is “very likely that [SCC] underestimates” the damages.(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-310714182509.png)

The table below presents the most recent SCC estimates (PDF, 22 pp, 780 KB) (updated in 2013) for certain years.
 
Social Cost of CO2, 2015-2050 a (in 2011 Dollars)
 Discount Rate and Statistic   
   
Year    5% Avg   3% Avg   2.5% Ave   3% 95th percentile
2015    $12   $39   $61   $116
2020    $13   $46   $68   $137
2025    $15   $50   $74   $153
2030    $17   $55   $80   $170
2035    $20   $60   $85   $187
2040    $22   $65   $92   $204
2045    $26   $70   $98   $220
2055    $28   $76   $104   $235
            
SCC values are dollar-year and emissions-year specific


For more information see the SCC Fact Sheet (PDF, 4 pp, 80 KB). See also the following documents for information about ongoing research to improve the SCC.
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/EPAactivities/economics/scc.html

Clear as mud, right? Stick around. I'll clear it up.  ;D
For the non-accountants here, discount rate and present value are terms used when computing the "value" NOW of something that will be worth X dollars at a future point. The SCC Fact sheet has examples (discount rates for dummies    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191456.bmp)). It helped refresh my memory.

I knew those business administration courses I took would be good for something someday!   ;D

Here's how it works. You will pump out 41 metric tons (assuming "Tons/yr of CO2 Emissions @ 15K mi/year: 8.2" is in METRIC tons - one metric ton = 2,204.6 pounds) from your 2015 Chevrolet Impala  LT in 2015. If you use the 2.5% average discount rate (which may be a huge underestimate of the cost but we'll let that go so we aren't accused of estimating a "low probability" cost like the 95th percentile), the SCC is $61 times 41 = $2,501. That SAME 41 tons of CO2 will cost society $68 times 41= $2788 in 2020 if it is still around. The scientists (I have provided several videos about his in the last couple of years) have stated unequivocally that the CO2 will PERSIST in our atmosphere for about 1,000 YEARS.

So, your 2015 Chevrolet Impala  LT  is guaranteed to have an SCC, if every bit of CO2 it pumps out in five years at 15k miles driven a year is sequestered into the planet and stops polluting it by 2020, of  41 times 5 times $68 = $13,940.
Scientists tell us that is NOT realistic. They tell us that the CO2 will be EASILY out there, warming our biosphere, in 2050.
If you junk the  2015 Chevrolet Impala  LT in 2020 through some miraculous recycling process that uses zero energy and does not further pollute the planet so it is converted into an EV or 15 bicycles, the SCC of that 2015 Chevrolet Impala  LT  is going to be 41 times 5 times $104 = $21,320 by  2050.

And if, as a rather vocal segment of the scientist bean counters at the EPA claims, the actual SCC cost of of the the outlier 3% 95th Percentile is SPOT ON, the SCC for that car will be 41 times 5 times $235 = $48,175.

Green Escape clause:
If you run dat pig on 100% ethanol (Brazil does that - we don't cause big oil gamed the fuel laws to keep 15% polluting pigerry in the 85% ethanol blend), the above numbers don't apply.

If I made a boo boo with my math, let me know and I'll correct it.

In summary, the 3,700 pounds of car called a 2015 Chevrolet Impala  LT carries a Social Carbon Cost (SCC) by 2050 of anywhere between $21,320 and $48,175 IF it is recycled without the use of any energy into a non polluting substance in 2020. What are the odds of THAT happening? Right. Somebody will keep driving it. When it is junked there will be an energy cost to recycle the raw materials and, of course, the toxins from the battery to deal with.

And that, fellow Doomers, is why I give Mking 'what fer' (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/swear1.gif) every time he accuses me of driving a polluting pig. BECAUSE I drive less than 2k a YEAR, I am actually preventing someone from drivng that ICE pig 12k to 24k a year!

I suppose, if I were brutally green about this whole thing, I woulf make sure it was crushed by a solar powered electric machine! I admit I am making a compromise. But my carbon footprint is microscopic compared to a Volt owner that flies all over hell and damnation for fracking piggery.

Actually, the cost of a NEW car, for me, is an addition to the pollution picture (as Monsta has correctly pointed out OFTEN) because a LOT of energy is used to build a new car; far more than I will use in another 10 years at 2k or less a year.

That said, I wish I could get a Volt!

End of PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle: Part 4 of 5 Parts

PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle: Part 5 of 5 Parts (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/renewables/electric-vehicles/msg2473/#msg2473)
 
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 29, 2014, 09:36:20 pm
PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle:  Part 5 of 5 Parts

Details:
 Fact Sheet: Social Cost of Carbon
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/Downloads/EPAactivities/scc-fact-sheet.pdf
Edmunds 2015 Chevrolet Impala  cost to YOU directly of driving 15k/yr for five years = $46,544
Social Carbon Cost (SCC) by 2050 of anywhere between $21,320 and $48,175. We'll split the difference and come up with an SCC of $34,748.

Cost of  2015 Chevrolet Impala $81,292. Cheer up, your grandkids will pay the LION's share!

The following info is accurate but somewhat dated. Nevertheless, remember the SCC discount rate on CO2 pollution costs up to 2050 for the stuff below that will still be there and CONTINUES to be ADDED TO:
CO2 emissions from U.S. cars & trucks totaled 314 million metric tons in 2002. That's as much as would be released from burning all the coal in a train 50,000 miles long -- enough to circle around the world, twice. (Environmental Defense, Nov-.Dec. 2006, p. 8, PDF)

Car emissions kill 30,000 people each year in the U.S. (2, 1998)

More than half of the people in the U.S. live in areas that failed to meet federal air quality standards at least several days a year (7, 1990), and around 80 million Americans live in areas that continually fail to meet these standards (6, 1998).

Most ozone pollution is caused by motor vehicles, which account for 72% of nitrogen oxides and 52% of reactive hydrocarbons (principal components of smog). (7, 1990)

Emissions from cars dwarfs that from power plants. In May 2000, Austin Energy planned to reduce nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions by 40% at its Decker and Holly power plants, from 1700 tons per year to less than 1000tpy by 2003. By comparison, NOx emissions in Travis county from motor vehicles totaled approximately 30,000 tons per year in 1996 -- the last year for which complete data was available. (1, 2000)

Now for some less depressing (depending on your point of view) 'believe it or not it IS true and documented'  accurate data:


Improving the average fuel efficiency of vehicles in the United States by 2.7 miles per gallon would equal all U.S. oil imports from the Persian Gulf, according to conservation advocate Amory Lovins. (12)


Big pickups even worse than SUV's. Fuel efficiency of the average pickup has also declined from as high as 19.2 miles a gallon in the 1987 model year to 16.8 miles a gallon today. The average S.U.V. gets 17.8 miles a gallon now and the average car 24.8. And even those averages do not count the very biggest vehicles those weighing more than 8,500 pounds fully loaded which are exempt under federal law. Like the Hummer and other giant sport utilities, the biggest pickups average little more than 10 miles a gallon. (NYT, July 31, 2003)

95% of a car's energy goes towards moving the car itself, and only 5% to moving the passenger. The average passenger car weighs 3000 lbs. (source), so if a person weighs 150 lbs., then 3000 / (3000 + 150) = 95.2%. Put two people in the car and it drops to 91% (3000 / (3000 + 150 + 150). With four people, it's 83% (3000 / (3000+150+150+150+150).

Contrast with a 30-lb. bicycle: 83% of the energy goes towards transporting the rider, not the vehicle (150 / (30+150).
Cigarette lighter penalty. Using the cigarette lighter to power 200 watts of devices decreases fuel economy by about 1 mpg. (200 watts is hefty—an iPhone might use around 10). (WP, 2008)

External costs of driving. The estimated annual external cost of driving (including air pollution, climate change, imported oil security, congestion, accidents, noise, etc.) is $126.3 billion.(E Magazine, 2005)

Bikes vs. Cars. David Lawyer wrote the ultimate paper comparing bicycle vs. automobile energy use, and found that bikes are 2/3 more efficient than cars even after factoring in the energy to produce the extra food the cyclist requires. (David Lawyer)

Bicycle MPG. If we spent our gas money (at $3.72/gallon) on food to fuel our biking, that $3.72 would take us 26 miles on beef, 48 miles on potatoes, 106 miles on beans, and 109 miles on rice. (source)

Bicycling is 117% more efficient than walking. (source)

Using a bicycle to commute four days a week for four miles (one-way) saves 54 gallons of gas annually. (2)
The energy and resources needed to build one medium-sized car could produce 100 bicycles. (2)
http://bicycleuniverse.info/transpo/almanac.html

Well then, if you want to buy an ICE only powered car, truck, SUV or whatever,
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(http://cleantechnica.com/files/2014/12/2014-Mercedes-B-Class-Electric-Drive-2.jpg)
Mercedes B-Class Electric Drive
(http://cleantechnica.com/files/2014/12/mercedes-electric.png)
From the above graphic I computed a 15k/yr 5 year cost to own of $45,975 (Edmunds has no cost data  on it yet). Besides the energy and pollution cost to build it, there are is no additional Social Carbon Cost (SCC). You don't have all the ICE stuff like a muffler and oil changes, etc. That should save you some money down the road. With an 87 mile range, for a 40 mile a day commute, it's definitely a walk in the park.  What I don't like about is that it is heavy. It is an ICE car conversion. It was not designed from the ground up to be an EV.

Read all about it here:
2014 Mercedes B-Class Electric Drive Review — 1st Month (Exclusive)
December 14th, 2014

SNIPPET 1:
By Kyle Field
A month ago, my wife and I traded in our aging gasmobile for the newly introduced 2014 Mercedes B-Class Electric Drive EV. I considered myself to be an educated EV consumer but still had quite a few learnings — some good, some bad — in the first month with our EV. Though the majority of our learnings were not related to the car itself, but more generically to the transition from a gasmobile to an EV, that’s where I’ll start.

SNIPPET 2:
... this particular configuration results in the least efficient EV when compared to others available today, with an MPGe rating of 85/83 and most others coming in at 100+. This is largely due to the fact that the B-Class was not built from the ground up as an EV or even a fuel-efficient car but rather a converted gas mobile. This is most evident in the weight — at 3935 lbs, the B-Class is no featherweight. For comparison, the BMW i3 which was purpose-built as an EV comes in at 2853 lbs (without the Range Extender). The B-Class pays a further penalty for being a former gasmobile, as extra battery capacity was required to haul around the extra mass. The B-Class’ battery is rated at 36 kWh.

SNIPPET 3:
Under the Hood
While the B-Class looks and feels like a normal car, when you pop the hood, things change. The B-Class’ electric motor, batteries, charger, and supporting EV systems are all made by Tesla, shipped from the US to Germany for assembly. While I’m not a car fanatic (at least not the gas-powered ones), I feel a sense of pride that Mercedes came to a US company for their first EV. This was a feature on the plus side for me, as Tesla is making waves in the EV world and I’m happy to be a part of that revolution.

Driving the B-Class

With the normal looking exterior, the accelerator of the B-Class houses a fun secret — instant torque! This is difficult to put into words for non-EV drivers but suffice it to say that the accelerator on this EV (and most other EVs) is responsive. When you step on the pedal, it jumps. Continued pressure results in a very smooth acceleration up to whatever speed you desire. I occasionally treat my kids to a ride on the roller coaster and pound the pedal down to the ground on the way to pre-school resulting in what feels like a quick boost on a roller coaster. Granted, they’re too young for coasters at this point, but the sentiment is spot on.

SNIPPET 4:
One unique challenge EV owners have is the large variety of charging networks out there. After test driving a few charging network apps, we have found that the crowdsourced PlugShare app (Web, iOS, Android) has the best overview of the entire public charging network and includes chargers from many of the big networks, like ChargePoint, Blink, EV Connect, and NRG’s eVgo, as well as personal charging locations! Wanting to build capability and make the most of our EV, we have signed up for several different charging networks, each of which has it’s own unique way to charge — some with set monthly fees, others with a price per kWh or per hour, etc. It’s been an interesting process but the net takeaway is that, here in Southern California, there are lots of chargers in lots of areas we frequent.
Full article with lots of cool pictures:  (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg)
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/12/14/2014-mercedes-b-class-electric-drive-review-1st-month/

The Mercedes B-Class Electric Drive, because it's, well, a MERCEDES, has some Bernays  status (mine is better than yours - yada yada ya - gives the finger to neighbor) puffery attached to it but that company generally does make pretty good cars. Besides, it's got the "Tesla inside" branding to help it along.  Consequently, the Mercedes B-Class EV has a rep to uphold as well as a built in loyal costumer base. If this Mercedes B-Class Electric Drive does what they say it does, it's resale value will also be quite high.

The Volt, with excellent sales figures and a good track record of reliability is guaranteed to have outstanding resale value.
A smart fellow that calls himself "The Energy Czar" has had a Volt for two years.

He is SERIOUS about getting TOTALLY off of fossil fuels. He has a lot of solar power in his house juicing the Volt. AND he has a set up to use the Volt as an auxiliary power plant to send power to his house! His voice of experience is all you need to hear. The Volt is a FANTASTIC investment for, not just transportation, but SECURE driving above and beyond what a pure ICE car can provide.

The lower center of gravity provides better cornering. The acceleration, if you need it, is Corvette quality without paying the Corvette price!

The fact that people will NOT be lead footed with their cars most of the time means PHEV and EV owners in general and Volt drivers in particular will have less drivng accidents. This mean lower insurane premiums down the road.
It's design is functional, not just for looks. That means your car will hold its resale value because the appearance will not change much, if at all, over the years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqKCuilRMGg &feature=player_embedded

The Energy Czar dude also made an initial review when he bought the car with lots of talk about the goodies in sound systems and some kind of cell phone setup. He also has a one year review on the internet.

Internal combustion engines CANNOT handle deep water. They stall when the water travels up the muffler and chokes the exhaust. Electrics DON'T STALL in high water! There's a video out there of a Volt going through deep water happy as a pond duck (knee deep) but I haven't been able to track it down. GM has an official video of Volt stream fording tests that you can ask the dealer to show you (it's not available on the internet anymore).

And the Volt coming out in January of 2015 is even BETTER for the environment. "Automotive News reports that the next version will trade its 1.4-liter four-cylinder engine for a 1-liter three-cylinder engine. It will also get a fifth seat." The Volt ICE is becoming even more of an auxiliary power plant. The 1-liter three cylinder ICE requires less energy to manufacture and is cheaper to maintain. GOOD!
"Chevy says it has sold 65,000 since Volt went on sale in 2010."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/08/07/chevrolet-volt-2016-debut/13723803/

Edmunds 15k/yr cost to own a 2013 Volt = $42,078 ((data for newer ones not available but remember they are about $5,000 cheaper up front AND they have a smaller ICE. That means this price is on the high side. The SCC of his vehicle depends entirely on how many of the 15k a year miles are driven on the ICE. If you use 100% ethanol (not legal in the USA yet but it should be) or even 85% Ethanol, your SCC will be negligible, period.
http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/volt/2013/?sub=hatchback

Now let's look at the three cars side by side:
The Energy cost and associated pollution to recycle the cars steel back to raw material is not included. However, due to the fact that PEVs and PHEVs are lighter and use less steel, the aftermarket for EV and PHEV battery packs and the toxicity of lead acid batteries from ICE only cars, it is clear that the PEV and PHEV vehicles are  less damaging to the environment and use less energy when they are put through the recycling process. 
Ownership cost to you and your grandkids of 15k/yr for five years:
2015 Chevrolet Impala                                    =  $81,292
2015 Mercedes B-Blass Electric Drive (EV)                                             =  $45,975
2013 Chevrolet Volt (PHEV)                                                                               = $42,078


In summary, the Agelbert Institute of Penny Pinchers for a Viable Biosphere and CFS gives the Volt a TOP rating for REALLY green transportation that will FUEL (pun intended!) DEMAND DESTRUCTION of fossil fuels. The small ICE can EASILY run on ethanol instead of gasoline so that is that! You might not save the world, but just think of all the fossil fuelers you will drive crazy!

And if you are influenced by people saying gasoline is "cheap", please consider that the gamed LOW gasoline price coming down the pike now is strictly temporary.

At any rate, since a Volt DOES have an ICE in it, nobody can call you a sucker for electrics with a PHEV. The real sucker is the idiot that runs out and buys a gas hog because gasoline is "cheap".

Don't let the rockefeller T-rex eat Patrick Henry's rat. If you can't do the bicycle commute, buy an EV or a PHEV. They are the most prudent and fun investment in transportation you can make.

End of PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle: Article and Part 5 of 5 Parts

P.S. If I helped to convince even one person to never buy an ICE only powered car again, all this research, sweat and toil to put this together has been worth it! (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-052.gif)(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif)(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/treeswing.gif)
(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-032.gif)


PEV or a PHEV Compared With a non-electric powered vehicle: Part 1 of 5 Parts (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/renewables/electric-vehicles/msg2394/#msg2394)

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 29, 2015, 07:01:55 pm
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INSANE Mode(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaLgF1uLB8&feature=player_embedded


Agelbert NOTE:
The so-called "Insane" mode is a security measure a Tesla driver has available if someone is intent on car jacking. It is quite sane to have high acceleration available instantly. 

Anyone who has ever driven next to a person exhibiting road rage or had to dodge a drunk, distracted or reckless driver can attest to that.  8)

  Brian Donovan  
 January 29, 2015 

Electric cars have had an "old persons car" problem since their inception. It's brilliant marketing and design to completely demolish that concept and make gas cars the tame ones. Top Gear needs to do a race with these cars.


Dennis Houghton   
 January 29, 2015 

Electric motors deliver high torque at low RPM, gasoline engines require high RPM to deliver high torque. The performance curve is reversed in the two types of drive systems. Electric dragsters could win every race but produce little of the tire smoke and engine noise necessary to the motor sport experience. Three of the first five in the latest Peak's Peak race were electric; higher torque at lower speeds.

The first couple of years of the Prius demonstrated the extraordinary torque delivered by electric motors. Drivers who tried to accelerate the Prius in its unnamed "insane mode" aka "foot-to-the-floorboard", occasionally snapped the drive shaft. Customers were not impressed. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/swear1.gif)  Manufacturers quickly built in torque control to prevent the negative outcome. Tesla engineered a physical solution in a more robust drive train   :emthup: and allowed the driver to intentionally over ride torque control, a feature that is probably used mostly during the sales process and occasionally to show off to your envious friends.

Full article an comments here:  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)



What Solar Marketers Can Learn from Tesla’s “Insane” Mode
(http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2015/01/what-solar-marketers-can-learn-from-teslas-insane-mode)

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 26, 2015, 02:42:53 pm
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Great article! My wife and I own a Leaf and could not be happier. We have been saving for a Tesla to replace the Leaf after lease expiration. When people hear this, their response is often, "Tesla is a luxury car". While my first reaction is to say that it is not, because of the many points in your article, I agree with them wholeheartedly instead.

Indeed, it will be luxury to never buy gas. It will be a luxury to pack food, a tent, and drive to Moab without bringing my wallet. It will be a luxury for children on the sidewalks to not have to breath in toxic chemicals emitting from our vehicle. It will be a luxury to never worry about a timing belt replacement, oil changes, transmission replacement, coolant flushes, tune-ups, exhaust leaks, etc., etc.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-005.gif)

The caveat here is that when I go to DMV in Glenwood and register the Tesla, the $4000 registration cost will certainly feel like I'm paying for a luxury car...  ;)

Craig Farnum

Why EVs Are AND Aren’t Luxury Cars
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http://blog.rmi.org/blog_2015_02_26_why_EVs_are_and_arent_luxury_cars


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Luxury is what people experience RIGHT NOW, either sitting in the vehicle or observing it from the roadside. Total Cost of Ownership is an outcome of the robustness of the technologies implemented in the vehicle. A luxury car owner doesn't care that much about TCO, unless their eyes were bigger than their wallet, and luxury car brands - Lexus excepted - don't try that hard to lower TCO through super-robust design. Instead, they offer free maintenance for the duration of the leases through which these cars are usually acquired and, not coincidentally, the usual duration of ownership.

 I and many others perceive the passing Tesla as a luxury car; big, powerful, expensive, looks a bit like a Jaguar, which is ostensibly the brand with the best sense of theatre that is an essential part of the projection of luxury. Inside the car, it's a different story. The driver's console DOES look techy, but not necessarily practical as a driving tool. It's showy, and that's not what a luxury car is supposed to provide its passengers - there's an element of taste that's missing. But the car is unquestionably comfortable, and it does give the driver and passengers a sense of power and privilege that is what luxury cars are supposed to do. Remember that offensive ad for the Cadillac CTV with the overprivileged white guy strutting and preening? Cadillac understands the luxury experience ( (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif)(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2z6in9g.gif))...it just made the mistake of telling the truth.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

The LEAF is definitely a mass-market car. The BMW i3 is not. It's a Halo car for the brand in a completely different way than what you'd expect. The many Toyota/Lexus hybrids are examples of the proper balance of tech and the luxury experience...the tech is essentially invisible. It's the rest of the experience that delivers the luxury.

Elon Musk has definitely targeted the S to the luxury crowd, even though he's smart enough not to explicitly call it a luxury car. That may be just an interesting side show, however, What I find more interesting is that he's recognized the much bigger and less regulated market for 24/7 solar local power generation and is dedicating 30% of his Gigafactory's batter production towards synergizing SolarWorld's domestic solar panel systems into a distributed power grid.

Electric cars, cool. A totally different way of distributing power to the masses, world-changing. And profitable.
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Shaun Simpkins
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 26, 2015, 03:07:29 pm
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The best—and worst—places to drive your electric car  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-060914180936.jpeg)

By Nsikan Akpan  20 February 2015 2:45 pm 45 Comments

For those tired of winter, you’re not alone. Electric cars hate the cold, too. Researchers have conducted the first investigation into how electric vehicles fare in different U.S. climates. The verdict: Electric car buyers in the chilly Midwest and sizzling Southwest get less bang for their buck, where poor energy efficiency and coal power plants unite to turn electric vehicles into bigger polluters.

Scientists at Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, began their research by pulling public data from FleetCarma, a company that tracks vehicle performance among car fleets operated by governments and businesses. The study looked at 7000 all-electric Nissan Leafs across the country and how their driving ranges varied with temperature. Cold reduces a battery’s oomph whether it lives in your car or smart phone. “We then combined those performances with regional reports on weather and drivers’ habits to build a nationwide map of car efficiency for every hour of every day within a typical year,” says co-author and CMU mechanical engineer Jeremy Michalek.

In terms of driving range, electric cars in California and the Deep South travel the farthest, as the balmy temperatures yield the best energy efficiency and therefore longer trips before they must be plugged in again. (That’s a lucky break for Golden Staters, who also purchase the most green vehicles in the nation.) Vehicles in cold places, in contrast, have less battery capacity and thus shorter range. The average range of a Nissan Leaf on the coldest day drops from 112 km in San Francisco to less than 72 km in Minneapolis, according to the study, published online this month in Environmental Science & Technology.

Full article at link:

http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2015/02/best-and-worst-places-drive-your-electric-car
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 19, 2015, 03:36:06 pm
Electric cars are so cool they may make it colder
14:30 19 March 2015 by Aamna Mohdin
 
There's more than one way to cut emissions. Swapping conventional cars for electric ones might cut emissions from cars, but it may also help cities like Beijing beat the heat, further lowering emissions of carbon dioxide by cutting the use of air conditioning.

The role of electric cars in combating climate change is hotly debated, because although they might emit less greenhouse gas directly, they are more expensive and cause more pollution than conventional cars during the manufacturing process. But it seems there may be hidden benefits to them.

Electric cars emit almost 20 per cent less heat than conventional cars, thus contributing less to the phenomenon of cities being warmer than the surrounding areas, known as the urban heat island effect.

If this lowers temperatures, use of air conditioning would also drop, and so would the energy used to power it, argues a team led by Canbing Li from Michigan State University in East Lansing.

 
Cooler summer

Using summer 2012 in the Chinese capital of Beijing as an example, the team estimate that replacing conventional cars with electric ones could have reduced the heat by nearly 1 °C. That in turn would result in a reduction in air conditioning use in the city, leading to a drop of 10,686 tonnes in daily CO2 emissions.

"I was surprised by the level of decreased energy consumption of air-conditioning," says Li.

The team says that there are several factors contributing to the urban heat island, and not all have been addressed in the study. This makes some people sceptical about the estimates.

"Investigating a mitigation strategy is much more complicated than just considering the heat flux," says Ali Gholizadeh Touchaei of the Heat Island Group at Concordia University in Montreal, Canada. "The sophisticated relation between moisture balance, effect of wind, and interactions of buildings and atmosphere should be accounted for."

And Oscar van Vliet of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich says that our heat emissions are only partly responsible for the heat island effect, it is also down to the city retaining that heat thanks to tarmac surfaces, which don't cool down quickly.

Cars of the future

Regardless of how big any cooling effect might be, the climate effects of urban transport merits further study with more sophisticated models, say other researchers.

"It is an interesting study, as the issue of heat generated by vehicles isn't something that has been thought about in great detail," says Timothy Johnson of Duke University in Durham, North Carolina.

It could become an ever bigger influence as electric cars catch on. Johnson expects the vehicles to dominate the transportation market in a few more decades once they overcome the technical challenges of driving range and battery charging infrastructure.

Unlike with conventional cars, which depend on non-renewable fuels, the disadvantages of electric cars can be overcome, says Li.
  ;D

Journal reference: Scientific Reports, DOI: 10.1038/srep09213
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27195-electric-cars-are-so-cool-they-may-make-it-colder.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 02, 2015, 08:08:38 pm
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This guy built an all-electric '68 Mustang that'd put a Tesla Model S in its place  ;D
 By Shawn Knight on April 2, 2015, 9:30 AM   

Tesla’s Model S P85D has received quite a bit of attention from both technology and automotive enthusiasts. Few cars can match the ridiculous all-wheel-drive acceleration its powerful electric motors are capable of generating but this story start with an earlier Tesla model.

Muscle car enthusiast Mitch Medford caught an episode of Top Gear years ago in which host Jeremy Clarkson raced a Tesla Roadster against its petrol-powered cousin, the Lotus Elise. The race wasn’t even close and soon, Medford came across a car online known as the White Zombie.

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The Zombie  ;D

The Zombie was a 1972 Datsun 1200; not exactly a looker but under the hood, it was powered by two 9-inch electric motors that could rocket the car from 0-60 mph in just 1.8 seconds. Medford reached out to the owner of the vehicle with a vision to build vintage cars powered by modern electric motors.

Zombie 222 is the result of that vision, a 1968 Mustang with dual 11-inch electric motors that put down 800 horsepower and an insane 1,800 pound foot of torque (on a conservative setting). This combination can propel the car from 0-60 mph in just 2.4 seconds.

The Verge has a fascinating piece on this monster, chronicling Medford’s efforts to break the 170 mile per hour mark for an electric vehicle in the standing mile. That’s not exactly a high trap speed but for a car with a body built in 1968 (i.e., poor aerodynamics), it’s incredibly ambitious.
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Look ma! 750 HP WITHOUT fossil fuel! ;D

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Dark Horse
http://jalopnik.com/is-this-750-hp-electric-mustang-fastback-sacrilege-1590258114




http://www.techspot.com/news/60241-guy-built-all-electric-68-mustang-thatd-put.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 25, 2015, 06:33:19 pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-24/electric-car-sales-plunge-4-year-lows
Electric Car Sales Plunge To 4 Year Lows
Tyler Durden
4/24/2015

Eddie said,
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On a related note, now would be an EXCELLENT time to dump low fuel mileage vehicles and collect an EV, with the discounts and tax credits mcdonalds workers could just about start getting themselves some right thinking transport. Maybe they would inspire the geriatric crowd even, the young inspiring the old, that would be amazing.

Get 'em while they're on sale. If you read the automotive news over the past few years, this kind of anti eV pushback news article starts to show up every time gas prices drop, and yet sales of the Prius, for instance, stay reasonably good.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2013/03/total-toyota-prius-sales-figures.html (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2013/03/total-toyota-prius-sales-figures.html)

I'm convinced that it will only take a little more range...if we could get to 100 miles on an overnight charge for a plug-in hybrid, it will turn  gas only cars into museum pieces.
BINGO!  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 02, 2015, 09:20:32 pm
Solar Power Shining Bright in Cambodia

 Kristi Eaton, Contributor 
 April 29, 2015

SNIPPET:

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Star 8 is one of the latest solar companies to set up shop in Cambodia, a country of eight million people, nestled between Thailand, Vietnam and Laos. WIth its proximity to the equator and solar irradiance, Stone said the country is attractive for solar businesses.

"The market in Cambodia is screaming out for an alternative to grid supplied power," he said.

Star 8 has created and manufactured Cambodia's first solar-powered tuk-tuk, the ubiquitous mode of transportation used throughout southeast Asia. A non-governmental organization called Aziza's Place started using the country's first solar-powered tuk-tuk for its mobile coffee cart that employs women who previously worked on hazardous waste dumps.

The idea for solar-powered tuk-tuks, Stone said, came to Star 8 founder Jacob Maimon as he was traveling to the beach in the Cambodian coastal city of Sihanoukville. While riding in a tuk-tuk, the driver asked him to pay half of the $2 fare along the way so the driver could stop and buy more petrol. Maimon eventually learned that the driver earned about $15 per day in fares, but spent $12 of that on petrol   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183312.bmp).

Another $7 per day would make a big difference, Stone said, and thus, the idea for the solar-powered tuk-tuk was born. (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg) 
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http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2015/04/solar-power-shining-bright-in-cambodia


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The Pilippines wants 100,000 of these!  :o  ;D

http://gas2.org/2013/08/18/the-philippines-want-to-put-100000-electric-tuk-tuks-on-the-road-by-2016/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 18, 2015, 12:21:05 am
https://youtu.be/q_cRqcbXAs4
The ULTIMATE EV!  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 02, 2015, 08:49:13 pm
Tesla tops 11,000 vehicles delivered in second quarter

Electric car maker Tesla tops 11,000 vehicles delivered in 2Q, setting new company mark

PALO ALTO, Calif. (AP) -- Electric car maker Tesla's second-quarter deliveries surged 52 percent to set a company record exceeding 11,000 vehicles.

The Palo Alto, California, company had surpassed 10,000 vehicles for the first time in the first three months of the year and on Thursday said it had broken that record, delivering 11,507 vehicles.

Tesla makes only one car, the Model S sedan, but CEO Elon Musk said last month he expects to begin deliveries of an SUV, the Model X, in three or four months. Tesla began 2015 with 20,000 reservations for the Model X. The company has said it plans to deliver 55,000 Model S sedans and Model X SUVs this year.

The car maker cautioned on Thursday that record deliveries are not an indicator of overall financial results. The company has consistently lost money as it ramps up production. Despite record sales in the first quarter, Tesla lost $154 million.

Musk has said the company hopes to reveal a prototype of its next vehicle, the Model 3 sedan, in March. The new model will cost around half the $70,000 starting price of a Model S and will likely go on sale at the end of 2017.

Shares of Tesla Motors Inc. climbed 4 percent, or $10.87, to close at $280.02 on Thursday. The stock is up 22 percent over the past year

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-tops-11-000-vehicles-111629295.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles - A GREAT time to buy an E-Golf!
Post by: AGelbert on July 05, 2015, 08:02:14 pm
Euro Drops on Greferendum Early Results

Europe
00:37 06.07.2015(updated 01:35 06.07.2015)

With more than half of the ballots in the Greek referendum counted, 61 percent of Greeks had voted against austerity measures aimed to win the new bailout plan for country and the euro has started to fall against dollar.

The euro began to drop when early Greek referendum results were revealed. Almost 61 percent of voters said “no” to spending cuts and tax hikes, while 39 percent voted to accept fresh austerity measures, according to the Greek Interior Ministry in Athens.

The current results mean Greece may exit the Eurozone, according to media reports.

One euro was worth $1.0963 at 1850 GMT, down 1.58 percent from Friday night, in electronic trading before Asian markets opened.

“We’re going to see a lot of volatility and it wouldn’t surprise me if the euro’s down 2 percent or more. Everything’s going to get hit with the exception of safe-haven bonds,” Clem Miller, an investment strategist at Wilmington Trust told Bloomberg.

Greece’s immediate fate depends on European Central Bank decision to keep emergency loans flowing to Greece without the prospect of a bailout package, Bloomberg wrote.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150706/1024247081.html#ixzz3f40a6MVd (http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150706/1024247081.html#ixzz3f40a6MVd)

Volkswagen e-Golf
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 07, 2015, 11:20:11 pm
Greenest EV Charging Solution On Market Just Released
Published on July 7th, 2015 | by Zachary Shahan
4 comments
Originally published on EV Obsession. JuiceBox Green 40 is the first electric vehicle charging solution (or EVSE) that helps an EV driver to spite greenhouse gas emissions by charging when electricity is greenest. Basically, software developed ... Read More →
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/07/07/greenest-ev-charging-solution-on-market-just-released/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 09, 2015, 01:53:38 pm
All about owning and operating an EV in the USA.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)
https://youtu.be/a_AZjw_VU-4
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 12, 2015, 01:21:25 am
https://youtu.be/8fxB-umYATo
E-Golf leases in California now at only $159 a month. ($2,400 at signing) You must also drive less than 7,550 miles per year. Sounds like a SWEET DEAL to me!  ;D
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 12, 2015, 01:22:56 am
https://youtu.be/LqSsE-GS1ag
Kia Soul EV
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 17, 2015, 02:46:24 pm
This 100 Percent Electric Eighteen-Wheeler Just Hit The Road In Germany

 by Ari Phillips Jul 9, 2015 12:49pm
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CREDIT: Courtesy of BMW

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On Tuesday, an all-electric tractor-trailer hit the road in Munich, Germany — the first time such a large electric vehicle made by a European manufacturer has gone into regular service in Europe, according to BMW, the company behind the project.

The 40-ton truck has a range of about 62 miles per charge, which takes three or four hours. Its first deployment will entail transporting vehicle components — such as shock absorbers, springs and steering systems — over stretches of less than two miles across Munich seven times a day.

Developed by BMW Group and the SCHERM group, a German automotive service provider, the big rig is a model from the Dutch manufacturer Terberg. According to the companies, the truck is “CO2-free, quiet and generates almost no fine particle pollution.” They also state that compared to a standard diesel engine truck, the electric truck will save 11.8 tons of carbon dioxide per year — the equivalent of the emissions produced by driving one of BMW’s more efficient cars, which gets an average of 60 miles per gallon, around the world almost three times

Trucks are notoriously inefficient, with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) calculating that medium- and heavy-duty vehicles account for about one-fifth of greenhouse gas emissions and oil use in the U.S. transportation sector, but only make up about 5 percent of vehicles on the road. In June, the EPA and the Department of Transportation joined forces with a proposal to turn this trend around and reduce carbon dioxide emissions from heavy duty trucks by about one billion metric tons for vehicles made between 2021 and 2027.

According to the EPA, oil consumption and greenhouse emissions from heavy-duty vehicles are expected to surpass that of passenger vehicles at the global scale by 2030. In a category that includes not only tractor-trailers, but also garbage trucks, school buses, big personal vehicles like Ford F-350s, and vans, BMW’s new electric truck could pave the way for critical industry innovation needed to curtail air and climate pollution.

“With this project we will gain valuable information on what will be possible with electric trucks in the future for city logistics,” said Jürgen Maidl, head of logistics at BMW Group, in a statement.

Greenhouse gas emissions from transportation account for about 27 percent of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions and around a quarter of European Union greenhouse gas emissions. In both regions, transportation emissions are the second largest source of greenhouse gases after energy production.

According to the European Commission, transportation is the only major sector in the E.U. in which greenhouse gases are still rising — and they are 20.5 percent higher than they were in 1990. Heavy-duty vehicles are responsible for about a quarter of CO2 emissions from E.U. road transport and about 6 percent of total E.U. emissions.

While all-electric vehicles would be the ideal, there are many stops along the way to improving efficiency and design that can have a big impact on greenhouse gas emissions as well as costs. With big trucks oftentimes only getting 5 or 6 miles to the gallon, the EPA estimates its proposed standards would cut fuel costs for the vehicles in question by about $170 billion.

The Obama Administration also had a SuperTruck initiative run through the Department of Energy (DOE) that aimed to develop tractor-trailers that are 50 percent more efficient than baseline models by this year — a goal it surpassed in April. If all Class 8 trucks, or 18-wheelers, in the U.S. were that efficient, the country would consume nearly 300 million fewer barrels of oil and spend nearly $30 billion less on fuel each year, according to the DOE.

Last year Walmart unveiled one example of how large trucks can become more sustainable by releasing a tractor-trailer that will be 20 percent more aerodynamic than the current fleet and will use a “micro-turbine hybrid powertrain” than can run on diesel, natural gas, biodiesel and “probably other fuels still to be developed.” Dubbed the WAVE (Walmart Advanced Vehicle Experience), the trailer is made out of carbon fiber, which reduces the weight of the big rig by 4,000 pounds per vehicle.

If the changes were able to bring the truck above 10 mpg from its average of around 6 mpg, cost savings could add up to $25,000 or more per 120,000 miles, depending on diesel prices, according to Gas2.org.

Tags BMW,
Electric Truck,
Electric Vehicle,
Heavy-Duty Vehicle,
Renewable Energy
 
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/09/3678546/all-electric-big-rig-truck-hits-the-road-in-germany/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 20, 2015, 06:44:06 pm
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Morris Yachts 48 GT: Electrical Innovation/Systems Award   ;D

Victron Energy systems are at the heart of this stunning yacht pictured above. She is a hand crafted, built to order, Morris Yachts Ocean Series 48GT and we’re delighted that SAIL Magazine awarded her the 2015 Best Boat award, for her innovative electrical system design.

The 48 GT is an evolved Chuck Paine design, finessed by Morris Yachts. In fact my own (small) yacht is a Chuck Paine design too (based on the Frances 26) and is in part where it all started. Subsequently and for more than 40 years, Morris Yachts have continued to build sailboats by hand, one at a time, using Maine’s finest craftsmen. Started by Tom Morris, and now continued by his son Cuyler, the family’s boatbuilding tradition upholds the same values now as it did then: “Every boat should be stunning, deliver supreme performance, and be crafted with the type of quality, precision, and attention to detail that will turn heads wherever she goes.”

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Hopefully the photograph above conveys that ethos, but as we go below the hood as it were – What furthermore makes her so special, in terms of her award winning electrical systems?

The DC or Hybrid concept

Victron Energy was founded in 1975 by Reinout Vader and like Morris Yachts a son (Matthijs) continues the family business. If we were to include C. W. Paine Yacht Design Inc, these three businesses have a combined experience of over 120 years. It’s that experience and pedigree that leads to innovation, ever improving and award winning design.

In 2011 Reinout Vader wrote a small book called Energy Unlimited: Electricity on Board (And other off-grid applications). In this book (which is still available as a free download) Reinout details the benefits of the DC or Hybrid concept, which Morris use to good effect on their 48 GT.  (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)


Here in Morris Yachts own words is a simple explanation of what in their view makes the DC concept so good. “You won’t need to worry about “charging your batteries” anymore. It’s all automatic. And the batteries charge faster than conventional batteries so you won’t have to listen to your generator run in that peaceful anchorage any longer than necessary.

We came up with this outside the box solution by working directly with the owner as well as Victron Energy and Fischer Panda to design an electrical system that, unlike most conventional cruising boat systems, is 100% DC based. This means the boat has an extremely powerful battery bank and charge sources that use inverted DC power to run all AC loads on board.

This elegant system incorporates a light yet durable 600 amp hour lithium battery bank, two 3,000 watt inverters, and multiple charge sources that are able to run all AC loads from the batteries.

In order to keep the heart of this system charged—the lithium batteries—we installed a 5,000 watt Fisher Panda DC generator as the primary charge source. That means this generator doesn’t produce power to run the AC loads in the boat. It’s sole job is to charge the batteries that offer up to 275 amps of charge. The shore power does not directly run any AC equipment beyond battery chargers.

A DC generator is much more efficient than a standard AC generator because it only runs when charge is needed, not whenever AC electrical loads are running. It’s also designed to start and stop automatically when the system senses charge is needed. There is no need for the owner to worry about when to start and stop the generator.

The main engine has a 160 amp high output alternator that will charge when the boat is motoring. The charge sources are rounded out with 3 shore power battery chargers available when the boat is plugged in at the dock. Each charger offers 100 amps of charge that can all be run at once if need be.”

Additional benefits of the DC concept  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

Reduced, faster charging times with longer cycle life when using Lithium batteries, when compared to lead acid

Lighter weight system components using Lithium batteries and a DC generator

Reduction in shore power rating

From four to ten times less shore power needed with a commensurate reduction in shore power outlet rating

Reduced shore power outlet ratings are more common than high output ratings

Built-in clean, stable and no-break AC power

Whatever goes wrong with shore power, the batteries and inverters are there to guarantee uninterrupted power

Built-in frequency and voltage conversion: Battery chargers will operate on a 50 Hz and on a 60 Hz supply. With a wide input range (90 V to 260 V AC) the battery chargers can connect to shore power anywhere in the world, without the need for an expensive and cumbersome shore power converter


System Design & Components

Owner brief: Design a 12V system that is “world proof”, providing 120VAC on board anywhere in the world.
Components used:
3 x Centaur 12/100 Chargers
2 x Phoenix 12/3000 120V inverter ( parallel)
3 x Lithium -ion 12.8V/200 Ah
1 x BMV-700
1 x Color Control GX (CCGX)
VE.Bus BMS (Battery Management System and protection)
2 x Cyrix-Li-load/charge 12/24-120 A

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Photographs of some of the system components aboard the 48 GT:
Victron Centaur battery chargers
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Victron Lithium Batteries

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Victron Color Control GX
N.B. The photograph below was taken pre battery sync and Color Control GX (CCGX) software upgrade. To keep abreast of software upgrades and enhanced features see the ‘Panels and System Monitoring‘ category in the Victron blog. Scroll to the most recent post concerning the CCGX. Here is an example of the later overview screen.
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Control-GX.jpg)

Award accolade for the DC concept

What makes winning this award even sweeter is the fact that Nigel Calder, who is considered as having literally written the marine electronics Bible, was part of the judging team. And we couldn’t have said it any better than Nigel when he says, “This is the ideal energy solution for a midsize offshore cruising boat, beautifully executed by Morris Yachts.”

Credits

Many thanks to Susan James of Morris Yachts for the images used in this blog. We wish Morris Yachts and the lucky owner of this innovative Ocean Series 48GT yacht every success. Grande Touring never looked so good. (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)


John Rushworth

http://www.victronenergy.com/blog/2015/03/25/morris-yachts-48-gt-electrical-innovationsystems-award/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 23, 2015, 07:15:21 pm
Chinese-built zero-emissions electric bus prepares for service in London   ;D
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The world’s first pure electric zero emission double decker bus, designed and built by BYD, is to enter service in October 2015. Photograph: DYB

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/18/chinese-built-zero-emissions-electric-bus-prepares-for-service-in-london
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 31, 2015, 06:09:01 pm
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Want to save money on your next Tesla purchase, like the forthcoming Model X pictured above? Convince a friend (or 10 better yet) to buy one. Photo credit: Tesla Motors

Elon Musk: Convince 10 People to Buy a Tesla and You Might Get the Car for Free

Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk, who’s revolutionizing batteries and taking humans into space, is selling his cars the good ol’ fashioned way: word of mouth.

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As you may already know, Tesla does not advertise or pay for endorsements or product placement. Maybe by doing so we could sell more cars, but I don’t like the idea of trying to trick people into buying a product by false association. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)  If you see somebody famous driving a Model S, it is because they genuinely like the car. If you see it in a movie or TV show, it is because the people associated with that production genuinely like the car.
   

http://ecowatch.com/2015/07/30/elon-musk-get-tesla-free/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 03, 2015, 02:41:14 pm
https://youtu.be/u0D2E8CtHCk

World’s Lightest and Most Compact Electric Bike Can Fold Into a Backpack

Lorraine Chow | August 3, 2015 2:08 pm

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http://ecowatch.com/2015/08/03/a-bike-electric/

agelbert  comment:
Transports like this should be mandatory for commutes of less than 10 miles. Also, a weather proof pull cart accessory should be provided for grocery shopping.


Title: In 1904 NY & London, most vehicles were horse drawn, but a third were ELECTRIC!
Post by: AGelbert on September 19, 2015, 01:17:54 am
Have Electric Cars Ever Been Popular?

The first electric car was created in 1832. For a few decades they were as popular, if not more popular, than gasoline-powered cars and other options. In 1904 over a third of all vehicles in New York City, Boston and Chicago were electric.  :o  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

However, in 1912 Charles Kettering invented an electric starter which could be used with gasoline-powered cars, eliminating the need for a crank start. By 1923 Ford was offering a car that cost only $265 (the equivalent of under $4000 today).

The cheap cost of gasoline and the weight of the batteries needed in early electric cars effectively prevented them from becoming a competitive alternative to gasoline-powered cars at the time.

Agelbert NOTE: We now know how "cheap" that gasoline turned out to be, don't we?   :P As to "competitivelness" of gasoline, SEE BELOW:

Unsaid is that Ethanol was favored by Thomas Edison, NOT gasoline.

Unsaid is that people were getting bone cancer from benzene, also pushed by the fossil fuel industry, so they had to come up with a more refined waste product from their oil refining technique.

Unsaid is that Rockefeller dumped gasoline in the rivers in Pennsylvania for decades before he got Ford to modify his carburetors to run on that CRAP instead of ethanol.

Unsaid is that Rockefeller bankrolled the Temperance movement that led to Prohibition and that MINOR DETAIL that farmers could no longer grow their fuel.

Now you know what Rockefeller meant when he said, "Competition is a sin.".   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191329.bmp)


More about electric cars:

•About 95% of car journeys taken in the United States are under 30 miles and well within range of a single charge for modern electric cars.

•Thomas Edison attempted to design a lightweight battery for electric cars in the late 19th century, but the final product turned out to be unreliable.

•Both London and New York used electric cars in their first motorized taxi services. The London cabs were nicknamed "Hummingbirds" because of the noise they made.

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A London electric "Hummingbird" taxi   
Agelbert SNARK: I image Rockefeller got heartburn every time he saw one.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)

http://www.wisegeek.com/have-electric-cars-ever-been-popular.htm
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 03, 2015, 01:11:37 am
https://youtu.be/kLHhyENNt2I

Drive Electric VT: It’s Time to Plug In, Vermont!


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Published on Jul 23, 2015

Watch our video to learn how you can drive farther and cleaner with electricity. Vermont, it's time to plug in!

Driving an all-electric or a plug-in hybrid vehicle means you:
- Spend the equivalent of $1 per gallon of gas
- Charge at home easily
- Enjoy access to 60 electric vehicle charging stations in Vermont
- Have a comparable car payment (and lower fuel costs)
- Drive safely—plug-in vehicles have excellent traction for winter driving


Tell others about electric cars, clean energy, and paying less for your ride. Help us spread the word, share this video!
Drive Electric Vermont website: http://www.driveelectricvt.com/


https://youtu.be/V-6veDmfe5U



Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 11, 2015, 03:43:11 pm
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e-Golf on my wish list.  ;D


I checked out how the lease works here in Vermont in regard to the tax credit and sales tax.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)

The lease holder, the bank, gets the $7.500 tax credit. The person that leases the car has to pay sales tax (6%) on the portion (around 2/3 of vehicle value) when they begin the lease. If they buy the car at lease termination, they then pay 6% on the buyback. For someone that pays low income tax, a lease is, therefore, the only way to get the benefit of the full $7,500 tax credit. When you do a buy back, you are not the first purchaser of the vehicle. Only the first purchaser is entitled to the tax credit. Sometimes a dealer will be the "first purchaser" on a floor model that is used for demonstration and test drives. You might negotiate a very good deal on one of those because they are technically "used" cars, even though they have less than 100 miles on them.

The Attorney General of Vermont
has some additional tips for people considering a lease.

Here's a snippet:

The Language of Leasing


If you’re considering leasing, you need to know the terms used in a lease transaction. They are very different from the terms used in a sale, which is one reason why leasing can be so confusing.

Capitalized cost is the price on which the lease is based. It is the price the bank or finance company pays the dealer, plus extras such as service contracts and insurance. You should be aware that this figure is negotiable, just as the price of a car you are buying is negotiable. The lower the capitalized cost, the lower your monthly payments and the lower the overall cost of the lease.

Money Factor
(also known as the lease rate) is similar to the interest rate on a car loan. It is a source of confusion for consumers, because it appears as a much lower rate. To compare it to an interest rate, you have to multiply it by 2400 (for example, a money factor of .00310 is the same as an interest rate of 7.4%).

Ask what the "money factor" is. Dealers are not required by law to disclose this figure to you. However, it is an important piece of the picture, so you should ask what it is and determine if it is competitive. You may be able to negotiate a lower rate and thus bring down your monthly payment. If the dealer won’t disclose the money factor to you, you probably don’t want to lease your car there.

 Tips for Smart Consumers - Car Leasing -  A Message from Attorney General Bill Sorrell (http://www.atg.state.vt.us/assets/files/Tips%20for%20Smart%20Consumers%20-%20Car%20Leasing.pdf)

 Thinking about a new electric car, but not sure where to begin? We’d suggest you consider whether you want to purchase or lease your new plug-in vehicle.  (http://www.driveelectricvt.com/blog/post/drive-electric-blog/2015/03/02/leasing-versus-purchasing-an-electric-car)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 30, 2015, 12:00:49 am
The Key to Cheap Electric Cars? Ditch the Steering Wheel    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)

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(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-301014182902.gif) Arcimoto SRK

Mark Frohnmayer loves to drive. But he’s never quite been able to square that passion with his environmental concerns. He just found the idea of using a gas-powered, two-ton contraption to carry a single person a few miles each day absurd. Eight years ago—before the Tesla Roadster hit the market—he decided what he needed was a small electric car that could reliably carry him around his hometown of Eugene, Oregon and was fun to drive. He couldn’t find one, so he decided to design his own.

The strange thing to Frohnmayer was that all the technology for building a practical, cheap, and safe electric vehicle were available. But no one had put all of the pieces together, despite the fact the potential market for such a product was huge, given the surging demand for cars in emerging markets like India and China. With Tesla focusing on the luxury market, he saw a big need for an affordable electric vehicle.

It turned out, of course, that that was easier said than done. Over the past eight years Frohnmayer’s startup Arcimoto has shown off several quirky three-wheeled prototypes—Firefly star Nathan Fillion famously pre-ordered one in 2010 and talked it up on Conan a couple years ago. But the team struggled to hit on the perfect design that would enable them to bring the vehicle to the mass market. Now, eight years later, Frohnmayer and company have finally prototyped a “car” that he believes meets all his criteria and will sell for less than $12,000. The key to creating something that was cheap, efficient and comfortable, it turned out, was ditching the steering wheel.


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Arcimoto SRK


The result of those efforts is the SRK, a two-seat, three-wheeled electric vehicle that looks like the spawn of a golf cart and an ATV. The company plans to begin selling it in late 2016 or early 2017. It’s officially classed as a motorcycle, which means it doesn’t have to meet the same rigorous safety standards as a four-wheeled car. But unlike a motorcycle with only two wheels, you don’t need to learn anything new to drive it (though you might need a motorcycle license in some states). It also has a protective shell, and, for an additional fee, it can be upgraded to a fully enclosed model. The prototype’s 12 kilowatt lithium ion battery has a range of about 70 miles, and can hit speeds of at least 85 miles per hour. And it can hit them fast: it can go from zero to 60 miles per hour in only 7.5 seconds. It’s only 105 inches long, which means you can park it like a motorcycle, but it’s tall enough for Frohnmayer, who stands 6-feet-4-inches tall to sit in it comfortably.

You won’t be able to use for family vacations or hauling lumber, but it should do just fine at commuting to work, picking up groceries, delivering pizzas, or just giving a friend a lift. For urban drivers—especially those in the dense, growing of India and China—it can cover a lot of what you’d need to do. And, yes, it’s a heck of a lot of fun to drive.

The Clever Version

Of course the scrapyard of history is littered with the burnt out husks of failed electric car companies, and three-wheeled vehicles have a particularly bad record. But Tesla Motors co-founder Marc Tarpenning, an informal advisor to Arcimoto, says that Frohnmayer and his team’s sense of design sets them apart from the pack.

“I get an almost endless stream of people wanting to talk about their latest thing,” he says. “I have seen a whole bunch of these three-wheel electric vehicles, but this happens to be the most clever version.”

Before starting Arcimoto, Frohnmayer’s only experience in the automotive industry were a couple of summer internships at General Motors while studying computer science and electrical engineering at the University of California, Berkeley. He also spent some time interning for an electronics company in Indianapolis but decided large engineering teams weren’t for him.

'I have seen a whole bunch of these three-wheel electric vehicles, but this happens to be the most clever version.'
—Tesla Co-Founder Marc Tarpenning


After graduation, he moved home to Eugene and landed a job at the video game company Dynamix before co-founding GarageGames in 2000. The team sold the company in 2007, and he started Arcimoto with his cut of the sale.

Fortunately, Frohnmayer, who now commutes to work on a OneWheel electric skateboard, doesn’t have to go it alone. While Oregon might not sound like a great place to start a car company, but it has been home to just enough automakers—such as Freightliner Trucks and RV company Country Couch—that he had a pool of qualified engineers and industrial designers Frohnmayer could tap to help turn his vision into real, drivable prototypes.

Only the Essentials

Where Tesla has focused on adding everything a driver could possibly want, Arcimoto has worked to subtract everything that isn’t absolutely essential. The trick is determining just what is absolutely necessary and what isn’t. And for that, the team has turned to extensive market research.

The original SRK design was too minimal. It would only carry one person and had no protection from bad weather. According to Arcimoto’s consumer research, the minimum requirements for a personal vehicle are a range of at least 60 miles, protection from the elements, at least two seats and enough oomph to drive on the highway. If the price is right, people are willing to give up stereos, cup holders, air conditioning, and giant touchscreen displays. That price, it turns out, is $12,000.

One of the first issues the team had to solve in the early days was safety. To keep costs down, the SRK would have to be a three-wheeler. Although Frohnmayer says that proposed legislation to increase regulation on three wheel vehicles wouldn’t apply to the SRK, the company still needs to ensure that its vehicles are safe—especially given the lousy reputation of vehicles with three wheels.

To deal with this, Arcimoto centered the battery and drivetrain at the bottom of the vehicle, much as Tesla Motors has done with the Model S. Of course, the final versions of the SRK will have to go through rigorous testing to verify their safety, but Tarpenning says most of this can be modeled in advance. “It’s all about where you put the center of mass,” he says. “If you put in the right place and get the balance right it’s going to be real stable.”

The Breakthrough

Few companies have been able to pack even that meager feature list into a vehicle for that price. The Zero electric motorcycle doesn’t provide protection from the elements. Toyota i-Road only seats one person. The Daimler Smart Electric costs over $20,000. At $8,000, the four-door Renault Twizy is a contender, but so far it’s only for sale available in Europe or as an hourly rental in San Francisco (and the US version’s speed is capped at 25 miles per hour).1

It took seven years for Arcimoto to develop a prototype that included all of what it wanted. Even then, Frohnmayer was unhappy with the results. The SRK was still a bit bigger than the team had hoped. It was also uncomfortable to get in and out of, and passengers had to awkwardly straddle the driver. Then one rainy day last December, Frohnmayer had an idea. What if they replaced the steering wheel with handlebars like the ones found on motorcycles and scooters? He did some mockups and realized it would save a ton of space. So he went into the workshop the next day and suggested the team start all over again with a new handlebar-based design.

At first the team thought he was crazy, says lead mechanical designer Jim Jordan. But his mind changed when he started running the numbers. Switching to the handlebar design would enable passengers to sit upright, slim the vehicle down by 500 pounds, and shave 20 inches off the length, enabling it to be parked like a motorcycle—all without reducing the power of the engine. The simplicity could also have a major impact on manufacturing the SRK. While Tesla has been plagued by delays due to its incredibly complex supply chain, Frohnmayer says the SRK will have only around 1,000 parts, which will make it far easier to build.

Still Too Expensive?  ???

But even at $12,000, the Arcimoto may be too expensive, warns Sam Abuelsamid, a senior research analyst specializing in the automotive industry at Navigant Research. After all, you can buy a Mitsubishi i-MiEV for about $15,495 after incentives (as of now, the 10 percent federal tax credit for electric motorcycles has expired). That extra few thousand dollars will buy you two more seats, an extra wheel, and the peace of mind that comes with knowing that your vehicle meets the more rigid safety standards set for four-wheeled vehicles—not to mention a vehicle engineered and built by an established automaker.


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Renault Twizy

If Renault takes the Twizy worldwide, it could be a solid competitor to Arcimoto, assuming the legal hurdles are cleared. Meanwhile, China is producing its own patch of homegrown electric vehicles. And though Abuelsamid thinks it could find a niche in the US, he worries it’s simply too expensive for developing markets. “If you look at a market like China, India or South America, the up-and-coming customers, those markets are full of people who still get around on scooters,” Abuelsamid says. “But if you’re going after that customer, $13,000 might be too high a price.”

Frohnmayer and company are already thinking about a new, lower cost version of the SRK for emerging markets. Thanks to the handlebar breakthrough, Frohnmayer thinks it might be possible to create a new, less expensive version based on cheaper lead batteries now that the overall weight and size have been reduced. But based on the company’s research, he and his investors are convinced that $12,000 is the sweet spot in the US. And Frohnmayer says the company will compete on more than just price. The SRK’s tiny footprint will make it more energy efficient than full-sized electric cars like the i-MiEV, which could be a big selling point.

The purchase of a car or motorcycle isn’t a purely rational concern. There’s always an emotional component at play. The SRK may live or die based on the very first requirement that Frohnmayer set for the vehicle back in 2007: whether people think it’s fun to drive. Personally, I had a blast driving it around Eugene last summer. Its small size and open nature make driving even just 30 miles an hour feel like you’re flying. You might find it boring if you’re used to riding a motorcyle, but for those of us who spend most of our drive time behind the wheel of a station wagon, the SRK is liberating. But is it fun enough to win over the masses?   (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1730.gif) That’s the part of the company’s the business model that’s impossible to quantify.

1 Correction 10/18/2015 at 10:00 AM ET: An earlier version of this story said that the Renault Twizy was not available in North America. It’s been updated with information that the Twizy is now available as an hourly rental in San Francisco.


http://www.wired.com/2015/10/arcimoto/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 04, 2015, 02:38:32 pm
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Pledge Signed to Make All New Passenger Vehicles Zero Emissions by 2050

Simon Mui, Natural Resources Defense Council | December 4, 2015 11:45 am

http://ecowatch.com/2015/12/04/zero-emission-vehicles-cop21/

Better late than never, I guess.



Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 04, 2015, 08:11:04 pm
Toyota Launches Two-Seat i-Road In Tokyo

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Editor’s Note: While Toyota may be dragging its feet on the full-sized electric car market, I have to admit that I’ve loved this i-Road thingie since I first laid eyes on it. I hope Toyota isn’t just fooling around and will bring this to markets worldwide at some point. Here’s more on the latest i-Road from Henry Lindon, via Sustainnovate. –Zach'

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/12/03/toyota-launches-two-seat-i-road-in-tokyo/

https://youtu.be/RZXCqGiBxYY
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 21, 2015, 07:01:55 pm
Elon Musk Signs Open Letter Proposing Radical Fix to VW’s Emission Scandal (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

Cole Mellino | December 21, 2015 11:42 am

A group of prominent green technology investors and advocates sent an open letter (see below) to the California Air Resources Board (CARB) Thursday. Tesla CEO Elon Musk, former eBay President Jeff Skoll, Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune, Carl Pope of Inside Straight Strategies and SolarCity CEO Lyndon Rive were among the 45 signatories urging CARB to rethink its plan to recall Volkswagen cars with emissions-cheating software.

The letter urges the state’s emissions regulators to “abandon the plan to force Volkswagen to fix their emissions-cheating cars and instead require that the company put the resources it would take to accomplish that into transitioning to a zero-emissions car company.”

The authors of the letter call the plan “costly and impractical.” They warn CARB against wasting materials and money, arguing that “a giant sum of money [will] be wasted in attempting to fix cars that cannot all be fixed, and where the fix may be worse than the problem if the cars are crushed well before the end of their useful lives.”

Instead, they suggest mandating VW to “accelerate greatly its rollout of zero-emission vehicles, which by their very nature, have zero emissions and thus present zero opportunities for cheating, and also do not require any enforcement dollars to verify,” the letter reads.

The authors cite “net greater carbon dioxide emissions, a regulated pollutant” as further reason for CARB not to execute its current plan, along with “compromise[d] performance” of the fixed vehicles. To heed its proposed alternative solution “would be a real win for California emissions, a big win for California jobs and a historic action to help derail climate change.”

CARB declined to directly address the letter. “Our focus has and will continue to be cleaning the air and advancing the cleanest vehicle and fuel technologies,” CARB spokesperson Dave Clegern told Newsweek.

Here’s the letter in its entirety:
An Open Letter to California Air Resources Board Chairman Mary Nichols

The VW emissions scandal is mainly the result of physics meeting fiction. In the simplest terms, we have reached the point of de miminis returns in extracting performance from a gallon of diesel while reducing pollutants, at least at reasonable cost. Unsurprisingly, and despite having the greatest research and development program in diesel engines, VW had to cheat to meet current European and U.S. standards. Meeting future tighter diesel standards will prove even more fruitless.

For a significant fraction of the non-compliant diesel cars already in the hands of drivers, there is no real solution. Drivers won’t come in for a fix that compromises performance. Further, solutions which result in net greater CO2 emissions, a regulated pollutant, are inappropriate for CARB to endorse. Retrofitting urea tank systems to small cars is costly and impractical. Some cars may be fixed, but many won’t and will be crushed before they are fixed.

A giant sum of money thus will be wasted in attempting to fix cars that cannot all be fixed, and where the fix may be worse than the problem if the cars are crushed well before the end of their useful lives. We, the undersigned, instead encourage the CARB to show leadership in directing VW to “cure the air, not the cars” and reap multiples of what damage has been caused while strongly advancing California’s interests in transitioning to zero-emission vehicles.

The solution we propose for VW and the CARB is to, in a legally enforceable form:


1. Release VW from its obligation to fix diesel cars already on the road in California, which represent an insignificant portion of total vehicles emissions in the state, and which cars do not, individually, present any emissions-related risk to their owners or occupants

2. Instead, direct VW to accelerate greatly its rollout of zero-emission vehicles, which by their very nature, have zero emissions and thus present zero opportunities for cheating, and also do not require any enforcement dollars to verify

3. Require that this acceleration of the rollout of zero emissions vehicles by VW result in a 10 for 1 or greater reduction in pollutant emissions as compared to the pollution associated with the diesel fleet cheating, and achieve this over the next 5 years

4. Require that VW invest in new manufacturing plants and/or research and development, in the amounts that they otherwise would have been fined, and do so in California to the extent that California would have been allocated its share of the fines

5. Allow VW some flexibility in the execution and timing of this plan by allowing it to be implemented via zero-emission vehicle credits.


In contrast to the punishments and recalls being considered, this proposal would be a real win for California emissions, a big win for California jobs, and a historic action to help derail climate change.


The bottleneck to the greater availability of zero emissions vehicles is the availability of batteries. There is an urgent need to build more battery factories to increase battery supply, and this proposal would ensure that large battery plant and related investments, with their ensuing local jobs, would be made in the U.S. by VW.

A satisfactory way to fix all the diesel cars does not likely exist, so this solution sidesteps the great injury and uncertainty that imposing an ineffective fix would place on individual diesel car owners. A drawn out and partial failure of the process will only exacerbate the public’s lack of trust in the industry and its regulators. By explicit design, this proposal would achieve, in contrast, a minimum of a 10X reduction in pollutant emissions as compared to a complete fix.

There is a precedent for this type of resolution. In the industry-wide 1990 diesel truck cheating scandal, the EPA chose not to require an interim recall but instead moved up the deadline for tougher standards to make up the difference. This proposal does the same for VW and ties the solution to a transition to zero emissions vehicles.

We strongly urge CARB to consider this proposal in resolving the VW cheating scandal.

Ion Yadigaroglu, Partner, Capricorn Investment Group;
Elon Musk, CEO, Tesla and SpaceX;
Jeff Skoll, CEO, Jeff Skoll Group;
Dipender Saluja, Partner, Capricorn Investment Group;
Carl Pope, Inside Straight Strategies,
Chamath Palihapitiya, CEO, Social Capital;
Ira Ehrenpreis, Partner, DBL Partners;
Hal Harvey, CEO, Energy Innovation;
Antonio Gracias, CEO, Valor Equity Partners;
Lyndon Rive, CEO, SolarCity;
Michael Brune, Executive Director, Sierra Club;
Cole Frates, Renewable Resources Group;
Ari Swiller, Renewable Resources Group;
Lawrence Bender, Producer, An Inconvenient Truth;
Reuben Munger, Partner, Vision Ridge;
Jigar Shah, President, Generate Capital Angel;
Jason Calacanis, Launch Fund Partner;
Gregory Manuel, MNL Partners;
Adam Wolfensohn, Partner, Encourage Capital;
Jason Scott, Partner, Encourage Capital;
Martin Roscheisen, CEO, Diamond Foundry;
Steve Westly, Former California State Controller;
Jules Kortenhorst, CEO, Rocky Mountain Institute;
Steven Dietz, Partner, Upfront Ventures;
Kevin Parker, CEO, Sustainable Insight Capital;
Anja Manuel, Partner, RiceHadleyGates;
Larry Lunt, CEO, Armonia;
Mindy Lubber, President, Ceres;
Tom Darden, Partner, Cherokee Fund;
Panos Ninios, Partner, True Green Capital;
Jesse Fink, Chairman, MissionPoint;
Matt Breidert, Senior Portfolio Manager,
Ecofin; Suhail Rizvi, CEO, Rizvi Traverse;
Jeffrey Tannenbaum, Chairman, sPower;
Rob Davenport, Managing Partner, Brightpath Capital;
Stuart Davidson, Chairman, Sonen;
Laurence Levi, Partner, VO2 Partners;
Rob Day, Partner, Black Coral Capital;
Dan Fuller, CIO, Fuller Smith;
Nicholas Eisenberger, Partner, Pure Energy;
Marc Stuart, CEO, Allotrope Partners;
Justin Kamine, Kamine Development;
Peter R. Stein, Managing Director, Lyme Timber;
Bruce Kahn, PM, Sustainable Insight; and
Raúl Pomares, Capital Managing Director, Sonen


http://ecowatch.com/2015/12/21/elon-musk-vw-fix/

Agelbert Comment: Elon Musk is right. It's time to stop pu ssy footing around the reality of dirty emissions and the degradation of the biosphere and human health that they DIRECTLY cause.  Refining emissions from a polluting engine is like being half pregnant with Rosemary's Baby.

The internal combustion engine HAS TO GO, PERIOD!

Dr. Richard A. Houghton, acting president of the WOODS HOLE RESEARCH CENTER says TINA to a Low Carbon Economy[ (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/climate-change/global-warming-is-with-us/msg2114/#msg2114)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 03, 2016, 06:08:57 pm
Mercedes F 015 Hydrogen Electric hybrid will have a range of 680 miles!  :o  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI0hdVMOWqs&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 05, 2016, 04:11:54 pm
Chinese-backed and their first plant will be in...get this... LAS VEGAS!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This is a sure winner.  Sign me up for some stock in this company.  ::)

RE

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-faraday-future-ces-20160104-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-faraday-future-ces-20160104-story.html)

Faraday Future unveils Batmobile-like electric concept car at CES

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Faraday's FFZERO1 concept car was unveiled at CES in Las Vegas. (Faraday)
Andrea ChangAndrea ChangContact Reporter

The wait is over.

Faraday Future, the secretive Chinese-backed Gardena automaker, finally unveiled its first concept car at CES: a sleek, silver-and-black Batmobile-esque electric vehicle called the FFZERO1.

The 1,000-horsepower car was revealed Monday night during a launch event attended by hundreds of media. It can accelerate from zero to 60 in fewer than three seconds, with a top speed of more than 200 miles-per-hour.

Richard Kim, Faraday's head of global design, called the vehicle a "high-performance electric dream car" designed to "fight ugliness."

With its single-seat configuration and, if it ever goes into limited production, almost certain sky-high price tag (executives didn't comment on financials), the FFZERO1 concept car won't become ubiquitous anytime soon.

Nick Sampson, Faraday's senior vice president of research and development and product development, noted that when Faraday does release its first production car to market in a couple of years, it will be something more approachable. The car might be a sedan or maybe an SUV, although he noted that it will start out as a premium product, with a premium price.

Over time, Faraday would like to produce a car that is more affordable, he said.

Although a production vehicle is still a ways out, Faraday has generated significant buzz since its inception 18 months ago. In that time, it has grown to 750 employees worldwide and recently announced that it would build its first manufacturing facility in North Las Vegas.

Faraday will break ground on that site in the next few weeks; when it is completed, it will be 3 million square feet and house 4,500 workers.

Faraday's mission, Sampson said, is "a complete rethink of what mobility means." It wants to bring a speedier, technology-driven focus to car-making modeled after the innovations coming out of Silicon Valley.

"We must anticipate the future and act upon it with speed, decisiveness and a willingness to be more like a technology company rather than an automotive company," Sampson said. "We have a very transformative vision."

The hype surrounding the company has also led to speculation that it could become a real rival to Tesla. Faraday execs appeared to welcome those comparisons, and took a few gentle jabs at the fellow SoCal automaker.

"Tesla and Elon Musk have created something incredible and we should applaud them for it," Sampson, who formerly worked at Tesla, said. But he noted it took Tesla nine years to develop its first mass-market production vehicle, while Faraday is moving at a much faster rate, from rapidly scaling up its workforce to attempting to roll out a car in a couple of years.

And he was quick to point out that Faraday has hired several employees who used to work at Tesla, Apple, Google and BMW.

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 06, 2016, 10:35:58 pm
New report: Electric cars, buses, boats will be everywhere by 2026  ;D

Sami Grover (@samigrover)
Transportation / Cars
 December 30, 2015
 
I've been documenting my experiences with a used Nissan Leaf, and I often reflect on just how quickly electric vehicles are becoming a mainstream transportation option. True, they are still a rare sight compared to their gas and diesel counterparts, but I am no longer surprised to see several Leafs, Teslas and Volts each time I leave my home. (It does help that my neighbor over the road drives a Volt.)

If a new report from the analysts at IDTechEx Research is to be believed, it looks like this trend is set to not only continue—but increasingly it will accelerate and expand into all sectors of the transportation industry including industrial vehicles, boats, planes, buses and more.

According to Business Green's write up of the report, the growth between now and 2026 will be "breakneck"—with the total market eventually reaching $500bn by 2026.

Interestingly, given how much we TreeHuggers prefer electric buses and worry that electric cars still perpetuate bad planning, the report sees much of the growth (and profitability) coming from industrial and commercial electric vehicles as more cities aim to tackle chronic air pollution.

The report also suggests that commercial and industrial markets will be less vulnerable to policy changes than electric cars which, for now at least, are still fairly dependent on tax breaks and/or subsidies to compete with their gas-fueled counterparts. (Of course, this wouldn't be the case if the  price of gas matched its true cost... ) (http://www.treehugger.com/fossil-fuels/true-cost-gasoline-closer-15-gallon-video.html)
  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/new-report-electric-cars-buses-boats-will-be-everywhere-2026.html

Agelbert NOTE: [/b][/i][/size][/color] And what do the fossil fuelers say?  ???

They say.
"But, but, Saudi Arabia (http://www.treehugger.com/fossil-fuels/opec-pretends-paris-didnt-happen-predicts-oil-will-dominate-2040.html) says that 94% of cars will be powered by gasoline by 2040. (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9HT4xZyDmh4/TOHhxzA0wLI/AAAAAAAAEUk/oeHDS2cfxWQ/s200/Smiley_Angel_Wings_Halo.jpg) So, it must be true, because the fossil fuel industry, known for such integrity in energy statistics and sources and NEVER, NEVER telling a fib for oil or money  ;),  SAYS SO.     (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191329.bmp)

 
(http://pm1.narvii.com/5869/6a64193d6770c3afd17406c78686c0eda32ded1c_hq.jpg)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 07, 2016, 06:23:11 pm
This applies to internal combustion powered vehicles. I post it here to underline the fact the electric vehicles powered with renewable energy derived electricity are the only real world (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif) (when ALL costs are figured) method of transportation for human civilization. The continued manufacture and sale of internal combustion engines for transportation, unless they are powered by ethanol, profit polluters that have degraded our democracy and our biosphere. That is stupid.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gen152.gif)

The video below is from 2012 but the polluting facts AND COSTS in regard to fossil fuels still apply, even if the nominal price at the pump is now much lower.

It is interesting to note that they discuss costs of fossil fuels caused pollution in Los Angeles, which now will be MUCH HIGHER, thanks to the Aliso Canyon Fracked Gas Blowout that cannot be plugged until March of 2016.

The shills for fossil fuels like Nicole Foss and Gail Tverberg have consistently denied the thermodynamic and pollution cost FACTS in the video because it is their JOB to LIE and DECEIVE on behalf of the Fossil Fuel Corporate Welfare Queens. Bought and paid for "energy experts" like Nicole Foss and Gail Tverberg are worthy of disdain and derision. Their lies will eventually catch up with them. But, unfortunately for the biosphere, they will always have a loyal following of dirty energy prefering, status quo worshipping, ethics challenged fools who listen to them.      (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183337.bmp)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6RhYY_4Wzls

The True Cost of Gasoline is Closer to $15 a Gallon (Video)

SNIPPET from 2012 article accompanying the video:
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The video above, from the Center for Investigative Reporting does a good job of explaining how those costs are incurred—though it doesn't mention a few things, like the cost of maintaining a military presence in volatile, oil-exporting regions. Which means that the true cost of gas may be even higher than $15 a gallon ...

And that means that we should probably be looking for a way to make the market better reflect those true costs, while buffering those who'd be hurt most from such a spike—that's one of the reasons that fee and dividend is such a clever policy idea.

http://www.treehugger.com/fossil-fuels/true-cost-gasoline-closer-15-gallon-video.html

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 08, 2016, 05:03:31 pm
UK plug-in car sales grew 94% in 2015  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191456.bmp)

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/uk-plug-car-sales-grew-94-2015.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 09, 2016, 03:31:02 pm
Hi folks, we finally took the jump and bought a new car - the 2016 Toyota Avalon Hybrid Limited.  We made this purchase the weekend before Christmas.  First, I'd like to thank everyone (especially AG) that provided input for me on new cars.  AG, I hope you're not too disappointed that we didn't choose an EV...but at least this car gets pretty good fossil fuel mileage - 40/39 mpg.  Due to the satisfaction we've had with our Prius over the years, we decided to limit our options strictly to Toyota vehicles. And we wanted a sedan. Due to my spine condition, a major factor in our decision was comfort.  As noted in this article (http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/revised-2016-toyota-avalon-smooths-the-ride), the suspension of the 2016 model has been retuned to deliver a softer, more comfort-oriented ride.  So in a nutshell, we purchased the most comfortable Toyota sedan that delivered an acceptable mileage per gallon (for us).  BTW, we paid cash - so the banks will not be making any money on financing.  For some reason, zero percent financing was not available for Hybrids. Here's a couple of pics that show the color (Crimson Mica) of the car we bought:

(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/e2/d9/e2d974061218f918eb01d720075d29f7.jpg?itok=GBMiFc1_)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7rUUSBKMMFZcG8DTwz9N_H8yUrQZNdF5rKzQuItAuMXgx_DMY)

Congratulations, JoeP!       (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191456.bmp)

Now if you could just make sure the fuel part is E85 (Only Brazil has E100, unfortunately) you would be able to give the finger to the fossil fuel worshippers on a daily basis.  :icon_mrgreen:

If you are interested, I can provide you with all the information you need to convert your fuel use to E85. Conversion kits are available for ALL internal combustion (gasoline powered, not diesel) cars.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-280515145049.png) (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 09, 2016, 04:46:16 pm
Thanks AG!  I'm just glad you're not super pis sed off at me for not buying an EV  :laugh:   Our car has the Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive System. I honestly don't know much about E85 and I'd only be interested in this conversion if I knew it wouldn't void the warranty and I could easily find a local auto shop to do the work - I haven't done any car work myself for 20 years or so.

JoeP,
You are most welcome. I applaud your effort to do the best you can. It's all any of us can do. Here's some info that might be of interest to you.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

https://youtu.be/WAPftVvV5nI
Most people do not know that you can BUY 35% of the gasoline components at the solvent section of Home Depot!  :P  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183312.bmp)

LOCATION of E85 filling stations: http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stations/ (http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stations/)

SNIPPETS from Myths and FAQs:

Is my car Flex Fuel from the factory?


The first thing to do is check for badging. If there is a Flex Fuel emblem on the back of the car then it is. If there is no emblem, check your fuel filler cap. If it is yellow, then yes it is flex. Also check the inside of the filler door. Some manufacturers will put an E85 sticker on the inside. The final place to check is the  Fuel Freedom Foundation's website (http://www.fuelfreedom.org/our-work/fuels-101/check-car/). They maintain the most comprehensive database of vehicles that are already Flex Fuel from the factory. If you get a positive hit, congratulations and head to the nearest E85 station and enjoy. If you get the big X, please come back to our site and buy a conversion kit.


Does your kit have any certifications?


Back in 2008 we did testing with the US EPA. Our kit was awarded an OBD2 Compliance. In order to enter the European market, our kit needed to be CE TUV certified. The CE TUV certification is better than being UL listed and Good Housekeeping seal of approval combined. We used to have a kit which was called FlexFuelUS. It was US EPA certified on a small number of engine groups. It was discontinued it as it was very expensive, difficult to install, and the only benefit over our standard kit was you could get some rebates but only if the vehicle was part of a fleet.

Does your conversion kit lock my vehicle into E85 only?

Our conversion kit will allow you to use Gasoline, E85, or any combination of the two fuels.

Can I run E100 with your conversion kit?
Yes. We have many people using E98 and E100 in their converted vehicles. Every car is different so you will need to play mad scientist and experiment with the water content. Too much water displaces the oxygen in the cylinder resulting in an antidentonant. Not enough water then results in wasting fuel.

Do I need to change my fuel pump? Fuel Lines? Fuel Tank? Fuel Rail? Fuel Injectors?
No. If you have electronic fuel injection, your fuel system is ethanol ready. Please remember that the only difference between a FlexFuel vehicle and a non FlexFuel vehicle is software.  ;D

Can I safely convert my vehicle?
Yes you can. We have sold over 100,000 kits around the world. We have done testing with the US EPA. Our kit is CE certified in Europe. If our systems were not safe, the US EPA would have shut us down a long time ago. Also if E85 was truly harmful to your vehicle, then the EPA would mandate that the E85 pump nozzle be a different size than unleaded – just like they mandated with diesel. Did you know the EPA has a SWAT team?

Can I run Methanol with your kit?
Yes. M85 is used in Europe and we have done some testing here in Colorado with Methanol. Since methanol is so clean when burning, it is important to have fresh O2 sensors and a very well tuned up car. Methanol does eat seals in your fuel pump. Vyton is a synthetic rubber sealing material used in many vehicle fuel pumps. Vyton works just fine with gasoline and ethanol but will be damaged by methanol resulting in fuel pump failure. Buna-N seals are gasoline, methanol and ethanol proof. Vyton seals can be found on many GM cars and Buna-N can be found on many European vehicles. Which ones specifically have which, we don’t know.

Can your kit allow my car to run Diesel or Bio Diesel?
No. Diesel engines have different ignition and fuel delivery. If you want to convert your gasoline engine to Diesel, it will require an engine swap.

My car requires premium fuel. Can I still convert my car and use E85?
Yes. The typical car that has a premium fuel requirement needs a minimum of 91 octane. E85 has 105 octane which is even better!     (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

What is included with your Conversion Kit?
- E85 ethanol conversion computer
 - Wire harness
 - Appropriate connectors for your vehicle
 - Five year warranty
 - Seven day a week toll-free technical support
 - Zip ties and mounting screws

Myths and FAQs:
https://www.change2e85.com/E85-Myths-FAQs (https://www.change2e85.com/E85-Myths-FAQs)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 21, 2016, 12:03:31 am
(http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2016/01/evovelo-mo.jpg.650x0_q70_crop-smart.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jApfU9p_FLc
http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/its-tricycle-its-ev-its-solar-electric-velomobile-evovelo.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 28, 2016, 10:10:45 pm
(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-280116220702.jpeg)
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Here is the transcript of the part of Nikola Tesla's speech that is in the video:

Quote
It is not a dream

It is a simple feat of scientific electrical engineering

Electric power can drive the worlds machinery without the need of coal, oil, or gas

Although perhaps humanity is not yet sufficiently advanced to be willingly led by the inventors keen searching sense

Perhaps it is better in this present world of ours that a revolutionary idea be hampered in its adolescence

All that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combatted, suppressed, only to emerge all the more triumphantly from the struggle.


Our duty is to lay the foundation for those that are to come, and to point the way

Yes, humanity will advance with giant strides

We are whirling through endless space at an inconceivable speed

All around everything is spinning; everything is moving;

Everywhere, there is energy!   (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

MUST SEE VIDEO! Guaranteed to give fossil fuelers heartburn!   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)
 


http://www.treehugger.com/cars/not-dream-non-official-tesla-ad-crosses-mad-max-and-1984-nikola-tesla-narration-video.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 29, 2016, 08:55:02 pm
Tesla rumors: 2 electric cars to be unveiled in March? Electric pickup truck  ;D coming in 2018?


Michael Graham Richard (@Michael_GR)
Transportation / Cars
 January 28, 2016

SNIPPET:


Quote
This confirms some of what Musk said all the way back in 2013 about wanting to make an electric pickup truck   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp) to compete in the Ford F-150 segment. At the time, Musk said that he had ideas to make a better pickup than what is on the market.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/cowboypistol.gif)


   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-060914180936.jpeg)
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/tesla-rumors-2-electric-cars-be-unveiled-march-electric-pickup-truck-coming-2018.html

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 05, 2016, 09:15:04 pm
(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-301014182902.gif)
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Solar shipping container charges & stores electric cargo bikes for zero emissions deliveries  (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg)



Combining solar power, battery storage, electric vehicles, and shipping containers, this local transportation and delivery solution pushes all of the right cleantech buttons.

When it comes to cleaning up transportation, deliveries and service calls and other local mobility needs are one place that seems to keep being overlooked. And perhaps that's just because we tend to be car-centric or ownership-minded about vehicles, so when we see a sassy new Tesla, we go a little ga-ga, but when we see an electric delivery vehicle, especially one so unassuming as a cargo motorcycle, we might not even recognize it for what it is, which is a local transport solution that is quiet, clean, and efficient.

And maybe part of that is because many of us don't own or ride motorcycles, so the idea of using electric ones probably doesn't even register with us as a potentially greener way to transport people and stuff. But in many places, local deliveries and service calls could be carried out via this emissions-free option, and a company called Current Motor is on the leading edge with its "Mini-fleet" of EVs in a box.

In this case, the EVs are electric cargo motorcycles with a 450 lb (204 kg) capacity and a 50 mile (80.4 km) range, and the box they come in is a modified shipping container that serves as their storage facility and solar-powered charging station. Essentially, the Current Motor solution is a virtually instant, drop-in option that could be a turnkey local delivery solution, and while it's still a new-ish and (relatively) untested prototype, it's been chosen to be included as one of four featured demonstrations at the upcoming ARPA-E Seventh Annual Energy Innovation Summit in March.

The Mini-fleet in a Box is centered around a standard ISO shipping container (20' x 8' x 8') that has been modified with a solar panel array (which folds out for charging and in for storage) and a 22 kWh battery storage system that is said to be able to be fully charged in a day. The Nb Solar Charging Station is claimed to be able to fully charge four of the company's Nb Electric Cargo Motorcycles from the battery bank in about five hours, which means that the entire system could be entirely self-powered. The motorcycles, which come with the company's "Telematics" platform for tracking and reporting, fit inside the container for storage and charging, and the container also includes a radio communications center and mobile office options.
(http://www.chscommunicator.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/current-motor-scooter-04.jpg)
Current Motor

Along with the clean power from solar panels, and the energy storage feature for managing electricity production during the day and charging the bikes at night, the Current Motor Mini-Fleet solution has another major advantage to it, which is its standard physical footprint of an ISO shipping container.

These containers can be easily transported by truck, train, boat, or even a heavy-lifting helicopter, using the existing shipping container infrastructure, and could be not only a potentially turnkey business solution, but also an effective option for deployment during emergencies or natural disaster responses. Additionally, the system's solar array and battery storage unit can function as a micro-grid for mobile power, and the whole package is said to be able to be installed "by one person in minutes" and will not require any permits or additional engineering work to get up and running.

Video at link below:

The ARPA-E description calls this is a full-scale prototype, not a finished product, so it may be awhile before we're seeing the Mini-Fleet in a Box solution in place in a city near you, but the Michigan-based company said last year that orders "are being manufactured now" for export "to global mining and manufacturing companies."


“Current Motor’s Mini-fleet-in-a-Box uses 100% renewable, clean, solar generated electricity to charge our zero emissions Electric Cargo Motorcycles, making them among the most sustainable fleet options available. Current Motor green Mini-fleets are turnkey and self-contained, and literally work out of the box upon delivery to customer sites." - Lauren Flanagan, Executive Chair of Current Motor

Quote
One of the potential applications of the Current Motor solution could be, as seen in one of the company's Facebook posts, for local services such as police patrols, and with its 450 lb cargo capacity, the bikes may be able to replace a fair number of other local delivery and service vehicles (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-260116191529.png).

http://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/solar-shipping-container-charges-electric-cargo-bikes-zero-emissions-deliveries.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 12, 2016, 09:14:17 pm
A four Year Old Girl Who Understands Biosphere Math PERFECTLY   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-260116191529.png)

Eloise, who is four and three quarters ;D  years old, knows that certain things just go well together. Like peanut butter and jelly. Or solar power and electric vehicles (EV). In this newly released video, she tells us why.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)

https://youtu.be/IJp3EgTQuPQ

 Are You Ready to Power Your Car With the Sun? (http://ecowatch.com/2016/02/11/power-your-car-with-sun/)

Agelbert NOTE:
Despite what the fossil fuelers claim in their deluded profit over planet "real world", Eloise's generation and just about everybody else is going to give the FINGER  to polluting energy sources (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2z6in9g.gif) and the GIANT thumbs up to Renewable Energy technologies.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/HjPbLbmep2aJO/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 17, 2016, 09:57:47 pm
Finally, a Tesla for the rest of us    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png)

(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-170216214928.jpeg)
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/nocomment.gif)

We have long been waiting for a smaller, more affordable Tesla and it's finally here. Radio Flyer calls it a Model S for kids, but I don't see why light (under 81 pounds) adults couldn't have a good time in this. It looks like the perfect urban runabout. I am not sure about that sense of entitlement that lets them drive on the sidewalk, but everything else about this is totally exciting.

https://youtu.be/TGom8Y5wAow

And really, six miles an hour is pretty good speed in many crowded cities.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/5yjbztv.gif)

It has a lot of nice touches; you can charge it with a cable... ::)

...or you can actually swap out the 190 Wh lithium ion batteries, which is a really nice touch. There is a small trunk in the front (a frunk, they call it, really!) and a sound system.    (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/Banane21.gif)

Of course as committed bicycle urbanists we have to point out that a tricycle or bicycle could go farther, faster, would cost a lot less money and would provide a lot more exercise. And, you wouldn't need a two-tesla garage. But I have been saying this for years about the full size model too, and nobody listens then either.  ;D

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/finally-tesla-rest-us.html






Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 19, 2016, 06:25:46 pm
(http://crooksandliars.com/files/imagecache/node_primary/primary_image/15/11/kochtopus.jpg)
Koch Brothers Plotting Multimillion Dollar War on Electric Vehicles   (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil19.gif)

Lorraine Chow | February 19, 2016 2:45 pm

SNIPPETS:

Death to the electric car?    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191329.bmp) Charles and David Koch are reportedly backing a new group that will use millions to promote petroleum and fight against government subsidies for electric vehicles.

In an effort to strike back at record-breaking EV sales, the fossil fuel industry is allegedly funding a new organization that will spend $10 million a year to push petroleum-based transportation fuels and attack government subsidies on EVs, refining industry sources told the Huffington Post.


Elon Musk
✔  ‎‎@elonmusk 

Worth noting that all gasoline cars are heavily subsidized via oil company tax credits & unpaid public health costs.  http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/18/fossil-fuel-companies-getting-10m-a-minute-in-subsidies-says-imf


http://ecowatch.com/2016/02/19/koch-brothers-war-on-evs/


Comment by renewableguy

Fossil fuels is scared sh--less.

Agelbert reply:
Yep.

Amory Lovins knows the score. The fossil fuel industry is a wounded beast. It's days are numbered.

QUOTE
Over the past 40 years, Americans have saved 31 times as much energy as renewables added. Those cumulative savings are equivalent to 21 years’ current energy use.  They’re simply invisible: you can’t see the energy you don’t use. But globally, it’s a bigger “supply” than oil, and inexorably, it’s going to get much, much bigger.

Oil companies worry about climate regulation, but they’re even more at risk from market competition. The oil that’ll be unburnable for climate reasons is probably less than the oil that’ll be unsellable because efficiency and renewables can do the same job cheaper.

An oil business that sputters when oil’s at $90 a barrel, swoons at $50, and dies at $30 will not do well against the $25 cost of getting U.S. mobility—or anyone else’s, since the technologies are fungible—completely off oil by 2050. That cost, like the $18 per saved barrel to make U.S. automobiles uncompromised, attractive, cost-effective, and oil-free, is a 2010–11 analytic result; today’s costs are even lower and continue to fall.

In short, like whale oil in the 1850s, oil is becoming uncompetitive even at low prices before it became unavailable even at high prices.
UNQUOTE

As Oil Prices Gyrate, Underlying Trends Are Shifting To Oil's Disadvantage (http://blog.rmi.org/blog_2016_02_01_as_oil_prices_gyrate_underlying_trends_are_shifting_to_oils_disadvantage)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 19, 2016, 06:52:07 pm
Agelbert NOTE: This article is two years old. But in the light of the fact that the Koch Brothers are in an all out push to RETAIN all their fossil fuel subsidy swag, while simultaneously kill the pittance of subsidies that renewable energy in general, and electric vehicles in particular, have, it is appropriate to post it. Every statement by Musk here is even more valid today than it was two years ago.
(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-280714152422.png)

Elon Musk: oil campaign against electric cars is like big tobacco lobbying


Tesla chief executive likens attacks on electric cars to campaigns of misinformation by big tobacco and climate sceptics

Adam Vaughan @adamvaughan_uk
   
Thursday 24 October 2013 10.24 EDT  Last modified on Saturday 30 January 2016 12.40 EST 

This article is 2 years old

Attacks on electric cars by the oil industry are on a par with misinformation campaigns promoted by big tobacco companies and vested interests undermining climate science, according to Elon Musk, the serial entrepreneur who founded PayPal and the brains behind both the space exploration company SpaceX and the electric sports carmaker Tesla Motors. The oil giants, he reckons, are attempting to sow the seeds of doubt.

Speaking before the opening of Tesla's new luxury store in the Westfield shopping mall in Shepherd's Bush, London, last night, Musk told the Guardian: "It's kinda like the battle against 'big tobacco' in the old days, and how they'd run all these ads about how tobacco's no problem.

"Ninety-nine per cent of scientists can agree on one thing, but in the public mind [lobbyists] try to convey that scientists disagree. Technically true, but absolutely misleading," he said.

Tesla has cornered the high end of the electric car market in the US, selling more than 14,000 of the base-priced $62,400 (£38,609) Model S in the past year. The car will be delivered to UK customers next spring, and is expected to cost between £55,000-£85,000, depending on the model's specifications.

That is substantially more than the £16,000-£30,000 price range at which most other electric cars have been pitched. But Musk still has his eye on the mass market. The next Tesla car, currently dubbed "Gen3", would cost less than £35,000 and will probably arrive within three years. The Model S, he said, would subsidise that car's development.

"When somebody buys a Model S they're helping pay for that in a way that buying an Aston Martin or Ferrari is not. Aston Martin is going to make more Aston Martins, Ferrari is going to make more Ferraris, but what we're trying to do is make a compelling mass-market electric car."

Musk, who is said to have inspired the character of the charismatic genius Tony Stark in the Iron Man films, does not think governments are doing enough to support the electrification of cars, despite a grant scheme that knocks £5,000 off the price of new plug-in vehicles.     

"If we start seeing bazillions of electric cars on the road, then maybe we can reel back the incentives. The acid test is are there tons of electric cars on the road? Well, no, probably the incentives aren't strong enough."

Musk is standing by recent comments that hydrogen fuel-cell cars are not a plausible rival to battery-powered models like those made by Tesla. "They're like obviously bullshit, it's not even a question mark in my mind … In the case of hydrogen fuel cells, take the current state of the art, and compare how much space, weight and cost is associated with the powertrain of a fuel cell, and compare that with the Model S … it loses on every category."

Musk, 42, considers himself an environmentalist, but says he is not "ultra hard core".

"That's not me," he says. "I sort of think we should figure out how to enjoy life and not have environmental catastrophe."

He rates himself as "greenish" in his personal life. He switches off lights when he leaves a room, and has installed solar panels on his home, but "it's not like I've got LED lights everywhere, and I'm not a vegetarian.

"Trying to convince the population to have some monk-like existence is simply unrealistic," he says.

Born in South Africa, Musk was a teenage computer nerd with degrees in physics and business when he moved to California to study for a PhD at Stanford. He then quit within days of embarking on his studies to become an entrepreneur.

His first venture was an internet city guide, which he sold aged 28, banking $20m. Paypal followed, which eventually brought him an even larger fortune, and then came SpaceX, which aims to send people to Mars within 20 years.

Tesla Motors, which takes its name from the 19th-century physicist, Nikola Tesla, was venture number four. Musk joined as an investor in its early days, and the firm made its first production vehicle – the two-seater Roadster – in 2006.

The company, based in Palo Alto in California's Silicon Valley, was listed on Nasdaq in 2010 and the Model S hit the road in 2012. Celebrity owners Ben Affleck, Morgan Freeman, Stephen Spielberg and Demi Moore have generated publicity, as have the firm's "stores" – in premium shopping districts rather than traditional dealerships. The shares have nearly quadrupled in value this year.

A few weeks ago the company's image took a hit when footage emerged of a Model S on fire after a piece of metal had gone under the car and made contact with the battery.

The driver escaped unharmed, but the incident led Musk to take to his blog in defence of the car, which has been billed as one of the safest ever made. "Had a conventional gasoline car encountered the same object on the highway, the result could have been far worse," he wrote.

Musk told the Guardian that the company was committed to Europe, and he expected to be manufacturing electric cars in Europe "probably" within five years. They are currently made in Fremont, California, with some assembly carried out in the Netherlands. "It's a bit silly transporting cars across the Atlantic," said Musk, who also envisages a new European technical centre, focused on research and design.

The firm also plans to build a network of "superchargers" in the UK – charging points that can replenish the battery within 30 minutes – ready for when its right-hand drive Model S cars are delivered to customers in spring next year. The cars will eventually be powered by solar panels, he said, which should generate more power than is used by the cars recharging.(http://www.bativert.ma/images/image3.jpg)


"What we're trying to convey is that, if you have Tesla Model S, you'll be able to drive for free, for ever, on sunlight."

When you drive the Model S, it quickly – very, very quickly – becomes clear that it's the opposite of the electric car stereotype of a Noddy car that doesn't go very fast or very far. It's packed to the gills with state-of-the-art technology, from the enormous string of batteries that make up the entire floor and enable its 300 mile-plus range, to the in-car entertainment and navigation system whose touchscreen makes an iPad look positively puny.

The exterior is classy and understated, rather than screaming, "No combustion engine!" as, say, the G-Wiz and BMW's new i3 do. Tesla's other car, the Roadster, is the sort to turn heads and attract Instagramming hordes, but the Model S barely raised eyebrows during a few hours in central London.

More than anything, the car is memorable for its astonishing acceleration. Unlike conventional cars, electric cars give instant torque and that, combined with the powerful motor here, means that putting your foot down results in a truly exhilarating rush.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/24/elon-musk-oil-electric-cars-tobacco-tesla
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 25, 2016, 06:43:04 pm
Should the EPA force VW to build electric car infrastructure as penance for the emissions scandal?  ???   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

Christine Lepisto (@greenanswer)
Transportation / Cars
 February 24, 2016

This weekend, the respected German newspaper Die Welt reported that the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) will not rest on fines and fixes for the "Clean Diesel" technology that relied on a software cheat to beat emissions testing while releasing up to 1 million tons of NOx pollution each year.

Instead, under the subheader "VW not enthused about EPA plans," Die Welt reports that EPA demands include production of electric cars at the VW plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee and an obligation to build a network of electric charging stations. It is not clear whether EPA's demands relate to production quotas, new models, or expansion of production of the existing electric and hybrid motors in VW's current range of automobiles.

Although VW and EPA both declined to comment officially to Die Welt, the paper reports that "At VW, they are naturally not enthusiastic over the plans in Washington, which will cost the company additional umpteen millions."

It seems like not such a bad idea though. Often, the American authorities can lower the size of fines in exchange for an agreement that might benefit the company more than a simple monetary penalty. A somewhat unique aspect of the prosecution of corporate crimes under regulations such as those of EPA or OSHA (for occupational safety) is the multiplier factor: the law sets a maximum penalty for a violation; but the EPA can consider every car and every day each car operated as a separate violation. So do the math, 600,000 cars times how many days times even not anywhere near the maximum penalty will still add up to a hard hit. With the threat of huge fines, the EPA can then set about negotiating a more win-win scenario.

Discussions over how to fix the affected cars also continue. Die Welt notes that Americans often ignore recall actions, and unlike German laws, the American laws cannot force VW owners to bring their cars in for a fix, when and if VW figures out what that fix will be. So EPA cannot ensure that the cars already in service will not continue to add to the pollution burden for many years to come.

How it will all come out remains to be seen. But if negotiations could result in a boost for electric car penetration in the American market, and help VW regain trust by supporting American jobs and a clean car infrastructure, perhaps the VW emissions scandal could be turned into a benefit for consumers and the environment after all.  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/should-us-epa-force-volkswagen-build-electric-car-infrastructure-pennance-emissions-scandal.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 26, 2016, 04:00:48 pm
Volkswagen’s Latest Concept Wants To Be Your BUDD-e  ;D
January 9th, 2016 by Kyle Field

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To say that Volkswagen has struggled in the last few months would be an understatement. The company and associated automotive brands were found to have intentionally bypassed emissions controls for the vast majority of diesel engine-based vehicles produced since 2008. Since the news broke, the conglomerate has suffered massive turnover in senior leadership and, while penalties for the emissions violations are pending in most countries around the world, VW is moving forward with damage control for its retail brands, starting with an almost name change from “VW” back to its roots: “Volkswagen.”

In parallel to the new marketing spin, the automotive giant appears to be putting an eye towards the future of mobility with several clean energy vehicles in the works in the hopes that the reduced emissions might clean up the air and its image. To further pump its green creds, the concept has solar cells embedded on the roof so it can trickle charge when the sun is shining.

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At CES 2016, Volkswagen unveiled the latest iteration of an old concept — the modernized version of the iconic mini-bus which packs some neat tech and tricks. The BUDD-e concept is a zero-emissions, all-electric vehicle with an estimated range of up to 373 miles / 600 kilometers (New European Drive Cycle estimate) and up to 233 miles / 375 kilometers (US EPA drive cycle), powered by an impressive 101 kWh battery pack.

This range is built using a new battery technology that brings much-needed charging capability improvements. Specifically, the battery can be charged up to 80% of capacity in about 30 minutes; marking an operational breakthrough for non-Tesla EVs.


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The BUDD-e concept represents the juxtaposition of two Volkswagen worlds — 1) next-generation, production-volume, electric vehicles, and 2) connected, immersive infotainment.

Showing that Volkswagen has an eye towards the future, a new platform for electric vehicles called the Modular Electric Platform (MEB) underpins the new concept. The BUDD-e concept is the first car to use this new platform, which was likely a much larger investment than a single concept and is something that can be directly utilized in a production vehicle vs something that will only ever see the spotlight in a concept.

The development of a dedicated EV platform is consistent with what other forward-looking automotive companies such as Tesla, Chevrolet, and now Faraday Future are doing, which is not a bad list of cleantech peers to be included in.

BUDD-e also kicks infotainment up to the next level, leaning heavily into exploring what’s possible vs just implementing the latest and greatest practical solutions. Stepping inside, the world of the Smart Home and the Smart Car collide, with the car attempting to connect two disparate worlds into a user-friendly interface that lets drivers access their home while on the road.
◾Integrated interfaces for both the driver and passenger signal a shift from driver-focused vehicles to entertainment-focused vehicles.
◾A focus on intuitive interfaces seamlessly blends the entertainment experience and the driving experience. This obviously becomes more relevant after autonomous driving technology is implemented.
◾The BUDD-e concept enables passengers to digitally access their homes and workplaces to perform tasks such as controlling the air conditioning, turning lights on or off, or simply looking to see if their kids are home.

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The BUDD-e brings with it a new suite of gesture-based interface technologies for full control of the vehicle’s functions. The new system uses cameras to register if a passenger in the rear compartment wants to open the sliding door, for instance. Gestures have also been implemented in more traditional applications on displays, but this takes it to the next level with projections that can assist the driver and passengers while driving.

A selection of gestures can be used passively as well, without having to queue up the gesture recognition system, which indicates that it is always watching. Some may find this awkward, but it brings with it a whole suite of specialty assistance applications.

While it is clear that Volkswagen is putting significant effort into the new electric platform and the array of innovations piled on top, the fact that all of these technologies are stuck in perpetual concept mode is a bit disheartening. It would be great to see a commitment from the German company to move forward with a production vehicle that makes use of the core electric drive platform.

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http://cleantechnica.com/2016/01/09/volkswagens-latest-concept-wants-budd-e/


Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 26, 2016, 10:02:52 pm
Enphase Energy Announces New Residential Storage Product  (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/xig/ojx/xigojx6KT.png)

February 25th, 2016 by Kyle Field

SNIPPET:

Enphase Energy has long been a key provider of microinverter and wiring solutions for residential solar photovoltaic (PV) installations and has built on that success with another important component of a holistic energy solution — storage. Before we dive into the company’s recently updated product, let’s talk a bit about the Enphase approach to “going green” at home and for the entire grid. That all starts with the Enphase Home Energy Solution (video).

https://youtu.be/8rnCVr48XGA


Full story:


http://cleantechnica.com/2016/02/25/enphase-energy-announces-new-residential-storage-product/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 29, 2016, 09:39:19 pm
Here’s How Electric Cars Will Cause the Next Oil Crisis 

Renewable energy= (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-301014181553.gif)                                (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif)=Fossil Fuelers

A shift is under way that will lead to widespread adoption of EVs in the next decade. (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

By Tom Randall | Feb. 25, 2016

SNIPPET 1:
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Yesterday, on the first episode of Bloomberg’s new animated series Sooner Than You Think, we calculated the effect of continued 60 percent growth. We found that electric vehicles could displace oil demand of 2 million barrels a day as early as 2023. That would create a glut of oil equivalent to what triggered the 2014 oil crisis.

SNIPPET2:
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With all good technologies, there comes a time when buying the alternative no longer makes sense. Think smartphones in the past decade, color TVs in the 1970s, or even gasoline cars in the early 20th century. Predicting the timing of these shifts is difficult, but when it happens, the whole world changes.

It’s looking like the 2020s will be the decade of the electric car.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)


MUST read article with video and graphs:  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)

 
http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/ (http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/)

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 11, 2016, 02:50:15 am
https://youtu.be/aRDLKeWw6U8
2016 Mitsubishi iMiEV Test Drive Video Review – REASONABLY PRICED Electric Car  ;D
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 12, 2016, 05:41:42 pm
Bloomberg: The Electric Car Revolution Is Here to Stay     (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)

Kieran Cooke, Climate News Network | March 9, 2016 10:03 am

Within six years, the cost of owning an electric car will be cheaper than purchasing and running a petrol or diesel model   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/balloons.gif). That’s the conclusion of a report on the fast-expanding electric car market by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

The report says that even if petrol or diesel driven cars improve their fuel efficiency over the coming years, the cost of owning an electric car—buying it and running it—will be below that of conventional vehicles by 2022.

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The cost of owning an electric car—buying it and running it—will be below that of conventional vehicles by 2022. Photo credit: Wikipedia

The increased sale of electrically-powered cars is seen as an important element in the fight against climate change. CO2 emissions from vehicles fueled by petrol and diesel cause a build-up of greenhouse gases and, especially in cities, pollution from exhausts causes serious damage to health.


Worldwide Sales

Bloomberg says electric vehicle (EV) sales worldwide reached just under half a million in 2015—a 60 percent rise on the previous year. Although electric-powered cars make up only one percent of the global vehicle total at present, it is predicted that worldwide EV sales will be more than 40 million by 2040, making up approximately 35 percent of all light duty vehicle sales.

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The report’s authors say developments in battery technology are one of the key factors driving the downward trend in prices in the electric car market.

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“At the core of this forecast is the work we have done on EV battery prices,” said Colin McKerracher, a Bloomberg analyst.

“Lithium-ion battery costs have already fallen by 65 percent since 2010, reaching $350 per kilowatt hour (kWh) last year. We expect EV battery costs to be well below $120 per kWh by 2030 and to fall further after that as new chemistries come in,” added McKerracher.

To date, two types of electric car have been produced for the mass market: a battery electric vehicle (BEV) is solely dependent on batteries for power, while a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) uses a combination of rechargeable batteries and a conventional engine as back-up.

Recent improvements in battery technology mean that a BEV can travel up to 200 miles without recharging.  ;D

Electric vehicle manufacturers say that as more sales are achieved, manufacturing costs will drop as economies of scale are achieved.

Various electric-powered sports models manufactured in the U.S. and Europe have tended to grab the headlines recently, but the main sales growth in future is likely to take place in China.

At present, the U.S. continues to be the world’s biggest EV market, although it is Japan’s Nissan Leaf that heads electric car sales.

The government in China, faced with tackling serious pollution problems in many cities, is giving big subsidies to the country’s electric car manufacturers.


Incentives to Buyers  (http://elqahera-trading.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dollar-sign-thumbnail1.jpg)


It is also offering incentives to buyers, in terms of lower insurance premiums and road taxes, discounted charging facilities and access to urban road networks when other vehicles are banned due to high pollution levels.

Xindayang, a Chinese manufacturer, is marketing electric vehicles in China at a cost of $10,000  :o   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png) —much cheaper than EVs elsewhere.


Chinese EV manufacturers have global ambitions. Faraday Future, a China-backed EV maker, recently announced plans to invest more than a billion dollars in a manufacturing plant in the U.S.

China is also investing heavily in the necessary infrastructure for EVs. The State Council—the main law-making body in China—announced last year that facilities would be developed to handle up to five million plug-in vehicles by 2020.

http://ecowatch.com/2016/03/09/electric-car-revolution-bloomberg/ (http://ecowatch.com/2016/03/09/electric-car-revolution-bloomberg/)

Agelbert COMMENT: I agree. In fact, I believe that by 2026, NOT 2040, EVs will have the market penetration projected in the chart as increased awareness of the damage that gasoline does is reflected in vehicle purchases for EVs or ethanol only (E100) engine powered vehicles.

It is a little known fact by the general public that refineries CANNOT refine crude oil without producing a significant percentage of what was called a WASTE product back in the late 19th century (i.e. GASOLINE). Rockefeller used to flush it down the rivers in Pennsylvania, poisoning horses and cows nearby downstream. The local farmers were not happy campers. This is all documented history.

Then, in the early 20th century, Rockefeller bailed Henry Ford out of financial ruin in return for making sure the model T ran on GASOLINE. The rest is polluting history that got WORSE when tetra ethyl lead (which is STILL LEGAL for internal combustion engine powered aircraft in the USA) was added with the Prohibition (Rockefeller funded, by the way) SCAM to make ethanol (a higher octane fuel than gasoline that DOES NOT require lead octane boosting for high compression engines) "illegal" (see: "Competition is a sin" J. D. Rockefeller).

But NOW, the Electric Vehicle caused lack of demand for the refinery WASTE product known as gasoline will further crater the bottom line of every fossil fuel corporation, accelerating their path to bankruptcy.

GOOD!

If not for the greed of John D. Rockefeller, cars would run on alcohol today.

Most people are not aware that Henry Ford's Model T came in a variation that allowed the driver to switch the carburetor to run the engine on farm-made ethyl alcohol. This allowed the operator to stop at local farms (equipped with stills) to refuel his/her car during long trips through the backcountry. After all- the gas station wasn't exactly as ubiquitous in those days, as it is now. The Standard Oil Company and its industrialist-founder John D. Rockefeller wasn't too happy with this arrangement. After all, Rockefeller's company had a virtual monopoly on gasoline at this time in our nation's development.

Since the late 1800's there had been a growing Alcohol Temperance Movement developing among reformers. Rockefeller saw an opportunity in this. It is well-documented that local efforts to curb alcohol consumption were expanded to the national level when high-profile figures like Rockefeller joined in the anti-alcohol efforts. Was he so concerned with the social problems that abuse of alcohol was said to cause?  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_2932.gif)


No... John D. Rockefeller was not concerned with family dynamics in the working classes. But he was influential in changing the goals of the movement from temperance to prohibition. He gave the equivalent of $60 million in today's dollars to an obscure group pushing for prohibition called the Women's Christian Temperance Union. As we know, his contribution to the outlawing of the production and sale of alcohol was successful. Of course, Rockefeller and the oil companies reaped tremendous profits as a result. Remember that the period covered by the 18th Amendment (1919-1933) coincided with the huge rise in the sale and operation of automobiles. America was on the move, and all of these cars were now operated solely on gasoline. By the time that the 21st Amendment was passed, ending the prohibition of alcohol, the standard was already set and worked completely in the favor of the Rockefeller family.


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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 15, 2016, 07:54:11 pm
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Simply put, the scale of the Tesla Factory in Fremont is HUGE.

Wall Street tours the Tesla factory -- and loves  (http://elqahera-trading.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dollar-sign-thumbnail1.jpg) what it sees  ;D

By Tom Randall March 14, 2016

Wall Street analysts have been touring Tesla’s massive factory in Fremont, California, and they're returning with the same conclusion: Elon Musk's electric-vehicle company is getting ready for something big. In a sign of this enthusiasm, Robert W. Baird & Co. upgraded its Tesla rating on Monday morning following a factory tour.

Tesla spent some $1.6 billion on major upgrades last year as it prepares to laumch its first attempt at a mass-market car—the Model 3—on March 31. The transformation is striking, according to auto analysts at Stifel Financial Corp, Credit Suisse Group AG, and Baird. The firms are telling investors that Tesla is learning from the mistakes that delayed its previous launches and is on track to make the shift from producing tens of thousands of $80,000 cars to hundreds of thousands of $35,000 cars—assuming the Model 3 proves a success with drivers.

Here are some of the changes the analysts witnessed on Teslas factory floor and in discussions with Tesla's new Chief Financial Officer, Jason Wheeler.


'Stunning Progress'

Last week, Stifel analysts returned from their fourth visit in four years to Tesla’s flagship factory in Fremont. “In roughly one year since our last visit,” wrote analyst James Albertine, “the progress witnessed is truly stunning." Tesla shares have jumped 45 percent in the last month as Musk, the chief executive, sought to reassure investors that the company is still on track after the challenging and much-delayed launch of the Model X luxury SUV.

 
New Aluminum Stamping Press

Stifel and Credit Suisse both noted Tesla's new aluminum stamping press, which Credit Suisse's Galves says has 10 to 20 times the output of Tesla's older machine. The bodies of the Model S and Model X are both made of aluminum, which costs twice as much as steel but weighs less. Tesla hasn't yet disclosed the composition of the Model 3. Keeping the weight down on electric vehicles helps achieve the maximum range from the battery, but maintaining a balance between cost and performance is crucial for a mass-market plug-in car.

Paint Shop

Tesla has built a new state-of-the-art paint shop that's capable of scaling up to 500,000 cars a year. That happens to be Tesla's production forecast for 2020, a ten-fold increase from last year's sales. If Tesla is to achieve that lofty goal, paint jobs won't be a holdup.
Faster Assembly Lines

Tesla's assembly lines are faster and more automated than those observed during a tour 18 months ago, according to Credit Suisse's Galves. The body assembly line is now rated to produce about 175,000 cars a year, with final assembly capability of more than 100,000 cars.


'Dimensional Design Studio'

This new area of the factory is a place where Tesla engineers can "stress test vehicle design features in a controlled environment on-site," said Albertine.


More Robots

"Robotics systems are customized, production processes are revolutionary, and attention-to-detail/supply chain management is improving by the minute," wrote Stifel's Albertine. "We do not believe this production process is one competitors can easily recreate." Tesla's manufacturing skills will help the company reach its target of more than 25 percent gross profit margins on the Model X, according to Baird's Kallo.


More Humans

Tesla expanded its workforce by 29 percent last year, to 13,058, according to company filings. That's up from fewer than 900 employees in 2010. The workers have been consolidated within the Fremont facility, with "several football-field sized areas spanning the entry to the facility with desks, computers and seemingly invigorated staff," Albertine said. "There was an energy and buzz within the facility that is hard to imagine as an outsider."

Batteries  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)

Tesla is already shifting battery production work to its massive "gigafactory" under construction in Nevada. After the factory tour in Fremont, Baird's Kallo came back convinced that battery costs are already just half of the industry average and are falling more quickly than most estimates. "This should allow Tesla to produce the Model 3 with healthy margins, and to invest in vehicle aesthetics and performance, placing it above competing vehicles," he wrote in a note to investors on March 14. He upgraded his rating on the stock to "outperform" and raised his price target to $300. The stock rose 3.8 percent today to $215.47 on Monday morning.


Lessons From the Model X

Tesla's luxury SUV, the Model X, has seen long delays and a slow roll-out due to several engineering choices, including complex vertically opening "falcon wing" doors, mono-post rear seats, and the largest piece of windshield glass in the industry. All three analysts noted seeing the Model X in production lines, but still at a relatively slow rate compared with the Model S. Albertine counted roughly five or six Model S sedans in production for every Model X.

Wheeler, Tesla's new CFO, assured the analysts that lessons had been learned. It appears, wrote Galves, that the engineers at Telsa led the planning meetings for the Model X, with insufficient input from the financing, manufacturing, and purchasing departments. Now those groups appear to have an equal voice. "Model 3 launch timing and ease of mass production is significantly more important than it was for the Model X," Galves wrote. "On the Model 3, management indicated that there is a clear focus on ease of build, on-time launch, and cost.

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Benjamin Zhang/Business InsiderTesla drive units at the company's Fremont, California factory.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-tours-tesla-factory-154636498.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 28, 2016, 03:34:55 pm
Wike City Shopper Grocery Trailer  ;D

Forget about finding a parking spot or fighting for a grocery cart.


$250.00

Leave the congestion and hassle of taking your car to the grocery store behind. With the Wike Grocery Shopper Bicycle Trailer you can get in shape, park next to the door, and go from store to home without unloading a grocery cart and loading your trunk. Plenty of space and a 75lbs carrying capacity makes this the perfect grocery-getter.

The “Push Bar” option must be purchased at the same time as the trailer, it can not be retrofitted at a later date. The Wike City Shopper is built at our factory in Guelph Canada.

https://youtu.be/YYY4k83MOkc

http://www.wicycle.com/index.php/products/cargo-trailers/wike-city-shopper-grocery-trailer

Agelbert NOTE:
That's a bit pricey.

Tipke The Bike Hitch Only
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61KHS4EXHbL._SY355_.jpg)

Sale Price $51.31
List Price: $59.99
You save 14%

http://www.hayneedle.com/product/tipkethebikehitch.cfm?ltype=child&tid=TPK003-1

Agelbert NOTE: Now add a cheapy electric boost bike from Walmart or Amazon and, if you stay within 25 miles of your home on all trips, you will NEVER need fossil fuel based transportation again (And YES, the mining for materials and the factories that make solar boost bikes and tow trailers for them certainly can, and eventually ALL will, run on Renewable Energy (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-005.gif)). ALL of these bikes will have greater range AND power when the lithium batteries get cheap enough to power them instead of the heavy lead acid crap.

To get a rough idea of what kind of power an electric motor gives you, remember that 750W is equivalent to one horsepower. HOWEVER, you can't just floor these motors (if they are small motors like most bike motors are) for long periods like you can a small  internal combustion engine. The amount of current sent to a motor at any given time (amperage) must be controlled to avoid frying the windings (and other parts  :P).

For details on how voltage and amperage affect electric motors, this link gives a brief explanation:

"The watts of the motor (P=I*V) is determined by the voltage and amps. It will only deliver the specified watts if the voltage and amps are the ones specified."

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/current-draw-of-a-motor-under-different-situations.585336/


Nevertheless, the 750W number is a good guide. I will provide another post on batteries for these vehicles here. Electrics don't need oil changes but they do need temperature management of both the motor and the batteries. Electronics can do that easily. This beats the hell out of polluting internal combustion engine maintenance by far!

Yukon Trail Men's Urban Street Electric Bike

By: Yukon
$449.99
FREE shipping

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http://www.walmart.com/ip/Yukon-Trail-Male-Urban-Street-Electric-Bike/20780270

Navigator SM24 Single Speed Bike Electric Bike
SM24

Simple and easy, the Navigator Urban Street electric bike is all you need to enjoy around town, it can speed up to 15 miles per hour and has a range of 28 miles per charge. This bike is ideal for transportation around the city and still enjoy the pleasure of a smooth ride.


Motor

The Navigator SM24 features a 250W, 24V Brushless motor. The lead acid 24V/10AH battery has a range of 28 miles per charge. The Controller has a speed sensor 24V brushless PAS (pedal-assisted system).


Tires

The Electric Bike has 24 inch x 1.75W tires with reflectors. The rims are 24 inch alloy double wall allowing the bike to reach a top speed of up to 15 MPH. The SM24 features V-brakes in both the front and rear allowing riders to stop at a safe distance.
http://www.amazon.com/Yukon-Trails-Outback-Electric-Mountain/dp/B00NPY7WAY

By Amazon Customer on June 7, 2014

Style Name: Men's Verified Purchase

I orginally posted a review..but it was only like 4 days since I owned the item..now thats its been like a month..I can be more objective.

The yukon navigator..I give it 4 stars..its very good. but not over the top. It came in the shipping pacakge from Amazon..almost falling out on the bottom..actually the front fender was bent, badly..and a few nicks on the frames paint.

It was however wrapped very well in foam/bubble wrap. The whole process of putting it together was easy enough..you just put the handlebars, seat post, pedals, front brakes, and front wheel on. The company does provide a nice tool to use.

The motor on this ebike..is sufficient for flats at 250watts..but on any real hill, especially steep..forget it! Even with full throttle you will pedaling hard..mainly because the bike is heavy and only has 1 speed.

The frame is heavy duty..the weldings are done well, and has a built into the frame rear rack..which I am sure will hold 40 pounds or more with panniers. The tires are o.k...24 inch wheels..smooth to ride on..but I have to check the tire pressure often. The chain on the bike is cheap..it stretched out in a week..and started to fall a part. So I bought a new red chain, from Amazon and a chain tool..for both around $23. The color of the bikes paint is a nice burgundy. The seat has suspension below it, and is very comfortable for even a 10 mile ride. The rear wheel has a built into the motor disc brake, for very good stopping. The front v-brakes like on most bikes can be a pain, to get it just right. The bike has a chain guard to keep your pants clean.

Now performance of this ebike is not bad..it goes 15mph ( I got it to 17mph on long flat stretches/motor only). Once you go over like 8 mph, pedaling doesn't do much for you, since its a one speed gear. The motor operates on a pedal assist system..you just pedal, like 3 rotations, and turn the throttle and away you go..or just pedal and keep pedaling at a nice clip..it will bring you up to 15mph fast. The battery is Sealed-Lead Acid type, 10ah capacity..it comes with a good wall charger, that has worked every time I used it. The battery takes about 4-6 hours to charge depending on how much you used. It's very important to charge as soon as you get back from a ride..to save the battery. I personally get 10-12 miles with low pedaling(Mostly throttle)..the Mfr rating is up to 28 miles. Realistically with the ampage..and the heavy weight of the bike..perhaps with a light rider and heavy pedaling to the motor you may get 18 miles. I am over 200 pounds..so I have tested it to be about 10 miles. Now with a lithium lifepo4, 24v20ah battery you would get much more range..and less time to charge the battery and such. However a lithium battery, will cost you $500 or more( many selling them do have them in the battery box case with the key style)..Yukon the maker of the ebike does sell the battery for like $60 (a Sla replacement)..though I do not know how much shipping is, plus you would have to open the battery box, and wire the batteries). also the mfr (Yukon) has a part for every inch of the ebike..just google their website, and search for parts.

The ebke comes with a classic bell, and a nice LED front light, with a switch on the handlebars..powered by the bikes battery. The petals are steel, not plastic..which is nice.

The ebike has a battery meter next to the throttle, though even when fully charged it goes right to yellow (medium charge left)..when you accelerate. It goes back to green, when you let off the throttle..the light goes red about 2 miles before the battery is depleted.

This ebike is great for those looking to buy a ebike, but do not want to pay $800 plus, to begin. For me it has run well, gone a steady 15mph, even though I am over 200 pounds. It s a fun ride..great for around town but not to far. Also I wanted to say, on flats even with the battery on..its easy to pedal for awhile..on hills, you need the motor on, and full throttle!

This ebike is well worth at it $400. some websites sell it for like $650! with shipping. Like anything, if you take good care of the bike (battery and all the parts) it should last. I highly recommend it..check the web who sell this ebike, and there are some good reviews..and yes some bad..but even a ebike kit with wheel and battery is going to cost you the same, at least. Blessings on bike riding with ease!

http://www.amazon.com/Yukon-Trails-Outback-Electric-Mountain/dp/B00NPY7WAY
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 28, 2016, 03:45:23 pm
Electric Bicycle Batteries: Lithium Vs. Lead Acid Batteries

SNIPPET:

A big downside of lithium batteries is that they are much more expensive than lead acid batteries. Prices vary depending on the voltage and capacity of the lithium battery, but standard ebikes usually have lithium batteries starting in the $300 range and rising quickly from there. Most bikes I build have lithium batteries in the $400-$500 range.

However, when you factor in the shorter life cycle of lead acid batteries, they become comparable to lithium batteries over the entire life of the electric bicycle. For example, a lithium battery may cost five times the price of a lead acid battery, but it could easily last five times as long as well, making the price about the same over the life of the lithium battery.
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You’d have to buy at least four replacement lead acid batteries (maybe even more) by the time your lithium battery finally kicks the can.

One other disadvantage of lithium batteries that isn’t talked about often, but should be, is their potential for theft.

Excellent, informative and detailed article by Micah:  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)


About Micah

Micah is a mechanical engineer, tinkerer and husband. He's spent the better part of a decade working in the electric bicycle industry, and is the author of The Ultimate DIY Ebike Guide. Micah can usually be found riding his electric bicycles around Florida, Tel Aviv, and anywhere else his ebikes wind up.


http://www.ebikeschool.com/electric-bicycle-batteries-lithium-vs-lead-acid-batteries/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 28, 2016, 04:12:06 pm
I am on the list of the first 500 people to get a STIGO if the thing actually gets into production.  According to the latest email, they are almost booked up now for the first run.

At the current Euro-Dollar exchange rate it runs around $2000, with the 20% Discount for being one of the first Guinea Pigs to buy it, it comes in at $1800, $300 over my limit but within reason to get something so cool.  :icon_sunny:

It appears to be being produced in Estonia, which is also interesting and means if the thing doesn't work right I am totally screwed. lol.

It runs on a 36V motor like my Ewz, but it is using LifePo batts that are proprietary, which means I probably will not be able to get them replaced too easily.  However, they have a very long lifespan if manufactured properly and I will only use this for very specific purposes when I need to use Public Transportation in combo with the Ewz.  So if it is manufactured decently, I would hope for it to last as long as I do.  Most of the time I will use my regular Ewz, or another one I buy that comes in somewhat cheaper and uses SLA Batts like my current Ewz.

Getting it shipped from Estonia to AK is probably a No-Go, but I should be able to get it shipped to Eddie in TX or K-Dog in Seattle for pickup. Shipping will probably run another $200 or so my WAG.  I'm a little concerned about the low power motor at only 250W, but for the purposes I would use this one on smooth pavement with no hills and inside airports and stores, it should work OK.  This also keeps it inside Federal Regulations for an Electric Assist Vehicle, which requires no license, registration or insurance.  Looking at the Video, the prototype seems to work pretty good on the Streets of Paris.   ;D
https://youtu.be/VmJ6EO_OGq0

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That's a really nice design. Especially if you are a little guy.

Me, I couldn't even get one ass cheek on that thing.

But the fold-up idea is just terrific.

You don't need to get your ass cheeks on it. The seat wedges in there between them and you sit on your ass.   ;)    You can have asscheeks the size of beachballs on steroids, they just hang off either side.  lol.

The bigger issue is weight, if the load this motor (250W) is pulling is over 200 lbs it will struggle some even on a flat and smooth surface.  I really wish they had dropped at least a 500W motor on it.  My current Ewz has a 1000W motor, and this sucker will pull along 300 lbs total weight no problem even on a 20% grade, I tested it by loading weight on my rear carrier.  I weigh in at 165, so I can carry a lot of cargo.  If you are 200+, you can't carry so much along.

The quasi-off road unit I am looking at has a 1600W motor, that one should be able to pull up a 30% grade.  This unit however is just for the flats and for scooting around town and through stores.  It would work I think for anyone under around 250 lbs in beef on bone.  Are you past that?

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Thank you for that excellent real world info on electric motors.

I've been reading up on it lately and it turns out there is a whole subculture of electric bike hot rodders out there goosing their motors with ever more powerful batteries.

The larger the motor, the bigger the battery pack you need to get the same range at the rated wattage of the motor. But electric bike hot rodders don't care. They just want to make a fool of some fossil fueler driving an internal combustion powered sports car at a stop light!

These "over clocked" (they sort of do the same thing to bike electric motors as gamers do to computers.  ;D) electric bikes WILL go zero to sixty in a VERY short amount of time. At any rate, since they are so light compared with a car, they disappear from a stop light before the gas guzzler knows what hit him! (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)

Of course they race each other too.  8)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 30, 2016, 03:39:02 pm
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Electric Bike Hub Motor Insides:
https://youtu.be/pH-52IgJui8


Hill Topper Installation

https://youtu.be/QLLzOVtNwcM



Sample Repair Job:

https://youtu.be/Eja88_rkylQ



For Hot Rodders ONLY!  :o  ;D

Ultra-powerful electric bike with nine pedal speeds using an internal gearbox in the bottom bracket. Top speed of 50 miles per hour with a 1.5 kwh battery pack and 4,500 watt motor  :o  ;D. Long travel front and rear suspension to soak up bumps and jumps, this thing is more motocross than ebike.


https://youtu.be/2GdI8z5dWi4



Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 30, 2016, 06:56:40 pm
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Electric Motor Kits

Every one of these integrated electric motors are the most reliable and functional E-bike motors available.

Each conversion kit has the ability to transform your ordinary bicycle into a, thrilling and environmentally friendly alternative form of transportation.

Our electric motor kits are powered by rechargeable lithium batteries that can propel your electric motorized bicycles at well over 73 km/h, or or 45 mph. Between us, we ride hundreds of miles each day. This translates into product knowledge, which we use to provide the best integrated electronic motor kits in the world.

In early 2014 we tested the 8fun mid-drive system and saw great potential. We further refined the motor until it is now one of the best E-bike solutions to be found anywhere. Our custom kits from Bafang offer 25% more torque, run cooler and far more reliable than the standard model. We custom program the motors for smoother starts and higher output.

Don't miss our high-powered varieties of hub motors from BMC and Crystalyte, which can be laced into the front or rear wheel, or mounted in our new hub motor bracket on the Super Mundo.
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These electric motor-powered kits perform beautifully on long-tail cargo bikes and drop loop frames that require high power applications.

For those want the absolute pinnacle of power and speed we offer the Astro Series of motors that boast an astounding 9,000 Watts of Peak Power!  :o  ;D It is also being fitted to the Board Track Racer!

https://youtu.be/GYaBbqLal38

http://cargobikeking.com/collections/electric-motor-kits-e-bike-motors


Agelbert NOTE: An important bit of infor for you in deciding whether to buy a gearless (otherwise known as Direct Drive) or a geared motor is that the gearless motor will generate electricity when you are going downhill (if no power is being applied to it). This extends the life of your battery AND the life of your brakes.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/8.gif)


For example, if your grocery store is very uphill from where you live, the heavier your groceries are, the more they will help extend your battery life.  (http://elqahera-trading.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dollar-sign-thumbnail1.jpg)   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)



That said, the geared motors are cheaper.   ;)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 30, 2016, 07:31:30 pm
A Nice Electric Cargo Bike

https://youtu.be/LcpMMMx0YbI
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 30, 2016, 08:04:14 pm

The Yuba Spicy Curry Electric Cargo Bike
https://youtu.be/O3Wq1_DALoc


The Yuba Spicy Curry Electric Cargo bike can carry 4 sq. ft. of whatever.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/muscular.gif)(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/balloons.gif)


http://yubabikes.com/spicy-curry
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 30, 2016, 08:19:50 pm
The Urban Arrow is VERY versatile and has a weather protection option for the load. (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/xig/ojx/xigojx6KT.png)

https://youtu.be/hZcYQOpav5w

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Assembly video:
https://youtu.be/t08GutgVVXU



Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 30, 2016, 11:25:20 pm
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Electric Bike Hub Motor Insides:

Unless you are very handy yourself mechanically, make sure the bike shop you will use will do the conversion.  The bike shop up here I checked out for this wouldn't do them.  They said they ran into too many problems with it.

RE

I'm pretty handy mechanically. I've got a marine drive invention (contraption  ;D) I never patented sitting on my shelf behind me for the last fifteen years or so that turns rotary motion into sine wave fish wiggling and another one that extends the fish wiggling to a long fish tail (to avoid using a conventional propeller) with a series of strong magnets encased in wooden small vertical boards connected through a chain link horizontal connection.

I never did get around to refining the tail so it would have the super efficient Tuna type end that reduces drag from cavitation and hydrodynamic vortices issues (That was what I was going to do last but I got distracted by some relatives    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191329.bmp) busy stealing my inheritance). It's just a series of wiggling small, flat, streamlined boards about 24 inches long, 12 inches tall and an inch wide.

It's cheaper, in my view  ;D, and better than a rotating propeller (ask any fish!    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp))  because no under boat hull shaft and sealed bearing set up is needed. You can secure this thing to the stern of a boat and it pushes it just like a fish's tail without any worries about getting tangled up in anything or chopping up  the marine life. Ideally you would drive it with an electric motor juiced by a solar panel set up, of course.  (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg)

I'm sure somebody else has already thought of it and patented it. But it's nice to look at. LOL!   

At any rate, I don't own a bike right now so, if I can ever get my wife to agree (music to mission impossible), I would get an electric cargo bike or scooter of the three wheeler type.

Here's one that, considering how robust it looks, is relatively cheap (It uses an SLA type battery) compared with the cost of a new (EV) car. Also, it would be relatively easy to rig up an enclosed cabin for snow and rain.
(http://www.bikemania.biz/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/460x440/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/4/s410247375928690855_p9_i5_w492.jpeg)
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Pedal & Go - Cargo

SKU: 99-PBT-00001

 $1995.00 

Part Truck, Part Scooter, Part Bicycle
 
 Pedal & Go Cargo is an innovative way to move yourself and your stuff around without a car! A scooter on the front, a truck on the back and pedals in between, Pedal & Go Cargo is one of the lightest commercial vehicles on the planet. Three wheels makes it stable enough to haul passengers or cargo. Having pedals makes it an adult tricycle, so there is no need to get a drivers license or buy an expensive car to get around town.


http://priorityelectrictransportation.weebly.com/store/p9/Pedal_%26_Go_-_Cargo.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 05, 2016, 07:58:49 pm
Agelbert Note: Musk is quoting some the exact same temperature numbers and the dire CO2 concentration numbers that Guy McPherson is quoting. Of course, Musk is a tad more optimistic about the future  ;D. HOWEVER, he is every bit as realistic about the polluted present as Guy McPherson is.  8)  Begin at the 3:10 mark to skip the razzle dazzle mood building baloney.  ::)

https://youtu.be/3YK8SM2GkhM

In a sane world, ALL the subsidy money now given to the nuclear and fossil fuel industry polluters would be assigned to renewable energy technologies in general and Electric Vehicle price reduction in particular.

If EVs like this latest model from Tesla were sold for $10,000 each, there would be no internal combustion powered passenger vehicles on the road within 5 years. And the trucks would all be EVs within another 5 years.

We still do not live in a sane world.  But we are getting there.



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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 06, 2016, 10:38:28 pm
What kind of batteries are used and how much of the necessary materials exists to support the production of these batteries?  What are the environmental consequences of mining and production of these batteries?

School is out, JRM. I don't respond to leading questions for the simple reason that I post repeatedly on TOTAL solutions for the environment and human civilization. Elon Musk's battery factory will run exclusively on renewable energy (the part now running ALREADY DOES). Lithium is one of the most common elements on the earth, in case you did not know. The wide spread use of this type of battery technology will kill the horrendously polluting and toxic lead acid battery market, which you are noticeably silent about. I have posted on what lead acid batteries DO to our biosphere.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-object-015.gif)

YOU should be applauding the FACT that Musk will make batteries and battery technology environmentally friendly, but instead you start some cherry picking based leading questions. What next, JRM? Are you going to tell me the battery factory will kill desert wildlife so it should not have been built? Musk has thought of that TOO. And it is NOT harming the local biome!

France's environmental minister is trying to sell Musk on putting a Tesla factory where an old Nuclear power plant is so the jobs are not lost when it is decommissioned. I don't like it but if France will clean the site up properly, it's an excellent way to aid in the vitally important (if we are to survive as a species) transition from polluting poison crap to a viable biosphere renewable energy world.

Your objectivity is compromised by your irrational and overly emotional approach to a very complex problem. I tried to reason with you but you  just go off on tangents.    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183312.bmp)

If you wish to reason this out objectively, you MUST look at ALL the pollution from mining for the metals for internal combustion engines (60 to 70% of which will NOT take place in an EV powered world), the pollution from lead acid battery world wide use (which will cease to exist in an EV powered world) AND the fossil fuels caused pollution and deleterious health effects of internal combustion powered vehicles (which ARE NOT THERE in an EV powered world). You are obviously not doing that.

The "it's not ready for prime time" excuse for claiming renewable energy technology "is just as polluting, more expensive and therefore unjustified" (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-030815183114.gif)  has been used by the fossil fuel industry for over 50 years. Don't try that one me. It has ALWAYS been bullshit. I wrote a long article on that.


Hope for a Viable Biosphere of Renewables: Why They Work and Fossil & Nuclear Fuels Never Did (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/07/17/hope-for-a-viable-biosphere-of-renewables/)

When you decide to be objective about a cost benefit analysis of all renewable energy technologies versus the current destructive, polluting and unsustainable status quo, let me know.

I will be happy to repost my old article on Lead Acid Batteries if you so desire. The Lithium battery technology (of which a manganese type seems to be the best right now - there are different types and ALL Lithium type batteries CAN be made WITHOUT polluting - including the recycling involved) is KEY for EVs and Renewable Energy storage needed to enable us to obtain a viable biosphere.

We DO NOT HAVE a civilization that guarantees a viable biosphere at present. Musk is trying to get us there.  :icon_sunny:

Surgeon General’s Warning: We Must Act on Climate

Nadia Prupis, Common Dreams | April 5, 2016 9:43 am

Climate change is a serious threat to public health, particularly for pregnant women, children, communities of color and low-income people, a government report issued Monday has warned.

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The report, The Impacts of Climate Change on Human Health in the United States: A Scientific Assessment, finds that rising temperatures in the coming years will bring along with them the increased risk of:

death from heat stroke, particularly in the summer months;

chronic and acute respiratory issues;

vector-borne illnesses like the West Nile virus and Lyme disease, as well as the new emergence of new pathogens;

chemical toxins in the food chain;

and mental health consequences of being exposed to climate disasters—among a litany of other risks.
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“Every American is vulnerable to the health impacts associated with climate change,” White House Science Adviser John Holdren said Monday. “Some are more vulnerable than others.”

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In particular, the report finds, those facing the highest risk are pregnant women, children, communities of color, the elderly, people who work outdoors, those with disabilities or preexisting medical conditions, immigrants and low-income people.

“I don’t think we have seen something like this before where we have a force that has such a multitude of impacts,” said Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, comparing the effects to the polio epidemic. However, he said, polio was cured through a vaccine—which does not exist for climate change.

“There is not one single source we can target,” he said. “As far as history is concerned this is a new kind of threat that we are facing.”

The report was produced by eight government agencies, including the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). It comes just ahead of the April 22 meeting between world leaders in New York, where they are expected to formally sign the landmark climate agreement finalized in Paris in December.

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EPA director Gina McCarthy said the report aimed to show that climate change is
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“not just about glaciers and polar bears—it’s about the health of families and our kids.”  (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-028.gif)

“Climate change endangers our health by affecting our food and water sources, the air we breathe and the weather we experience,” McCarthy said. “It will exacerbate certain health effects that already exist and create new ones.”

The report also predicts that extreme heat could cause 11,000 more premature deaths a year by 2030 than previously predicted.

Bottom line, said Murthy, “If we want to safeguard the health of current and future generations, we have to address climate change.”

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Avoiding all the risks outlined in the report will be impossible, said Holdren, as “climate change is already underway and no matter what we do it cannot be stopped overnight.
 
But there is a huge difference between the magnitude if we fail to act … and if we take the actions set out in the Climate Action Plan and the Paris climate agreement.”

Climate change “is a pervasive problem with many dimensions of impacts,” Holdren said, “which together I think make it the most serious threat we face.”

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http://ecowatch.com/2016/04/05/impacts-of-climate-change/ (http://ecowatch.com/2016/04/05/impacts-of-climate-change/)

Fossil fuel Industry Response  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6961.gif) to the scientifically obtained, irrefutable facts about the deleterious effects of Global Warming on Human Health:


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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 07, 2016, 08:23:04 pm
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 Gearing Up to Battle Electric Vehicles  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil19.gif)

Ryan Martel, Ceres | April 7, 2016 2:18 pm

Last week Tesla unveiled the Model 3, a mass market, affordable electric vehicle with a starting price of $35,000 and a two hundred mile range.

In just over five days, more than 276,000 people put down $1,000 to reserve their own Model 3, signaling that American appetite for electric vehicles (EVs) is on the rise.    (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

That’s good news because greenhouse gas emissions from transportation are growing faster than in any other sector in the U.S. and account for about 30 percent of the total. A major shift to electrified vehicles in the transportation sector is necessary to give us a fighting chance to meet our climate goals.

Yet, just as EVs are poised for growth, oil industry interests  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/pirates5B15D_th.gif) are sharpening their knives. Energy companies, including Koch Industries, are increasing their public opposition to electric vehicles because they are realizing the significant potential impacts of EVs on oil demand.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/www_MyEmoticons_com__smokelots.gif)

Recently, for example, Jim Mahoney  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif) , board member of Koch Industries, penned an oped in Fortune about opposing government subsidies that favor one form of energy over another. “Koch opposes all market-distorting policies, including subsidies and mandates—even if they may benefit the company,”  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-030815183114.gif) he wrote.

What Mahoney  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png) was really taking aim at were incentives offered to the small but growing electric vehicle market in the U.S.

His op-ed was mum on fossil fuel subsidies—which the International Monetary Fund pegs at $5.3 trillion. And he certainly didn’t mention the 11 fossil fuel federal tax subsidies identified by the Department of Treasury that cost U.S. taxpayers $4.7 billion per year—some of which have been in place for more than 100 years. Or the numerous public lands leasing and royalty breaks for oil and gas production.


Mahoney   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/165fs373950.gif)  singles out the electric vehicle tax credit because electric vehicles are a threat to oil, which is mainly used for transportation and his op-ed is part of a broader attempt to roll back tax credits that support advanced vehicles.

If you doubt that the tiny but growing electric vehicle market could threaten big oil, consider this: Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) projects that oil displacement as a result of increased electric vehicle deployment could lead to an oil crash by 2023.  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif) BNEF flags battery prices and strong policies as important drivers of EV growth. In fact, battery costs have dropped dramatically—falling by 65 percent since 2010. By 2030 they are estimated to fall from $350 per kilowatt-hour (kWh) to below $120 per kWh.  (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/xig/ojx/xigojx6KT.png)


To-date, oil producers have underestimated the competitiveness of electric vehicles, but they are seeing the threat to their market share and are taking aim at the EV industry. Because they can’t do much to improve the environmental profile of their own core products, we can expect a growing effort by the oil industry to undermine the electric vehicle sector. It’s no surprise that Koch Industries  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-241013183046.jpeg) is leading the way .

To thwart electric vehicle progress, Mahoney’s op-ed trots out tired arguments against clean energy subsidies, even though the Department of Energy Loan Guarantee Program has earned American taxpayers a net of $30 million as of 2014.

He further claims that EV tax incentives are “welfare for the wealthy,”   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-220216203149.gif)  because—as he would have it—only rich people buy electric cars. This may have been true in the past, but not now. He conveniently fails to mention the forthcoming affordable long range EVs like the Chevy Bolt, which will drive 200 miles on a single charge and sell for about $30,000 (after using the $7500 federal tax credit) or Tesla’s new Model 3, which will sell below the average price that Americans are paying for new cars.

Indeed, the sticker price of many other electric vehicles before government incentives is at or under the average new car price—like the Chevy Spark EV at $25,750 or the Nissan Leaf at $29,000. And of course the sticker price doesn’t take into account the much lower fuel and maintenance costs of EVs.
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Beyond cutting transportation emissions, a shift to vehicle electrification will also promote grid reliability and renewable energy generation by providing flexible storage options.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)
The past several years have seen profound shifts in the electricity sector fuel mix, smart grid and storage technologies, as well as comprehensive federal regulations to aggressively reduce emissions—making EVs even cleaner.

While the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has promulgated greenhouse gas and fuel economy rules for cars, the current federal rules (http://www.whydidyouwearthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/tumblr_l7j9nik8Wf1qaxxwjo1_5001.jpeg) don’t anticipate more than 2 percent penetration of EVs  ;)  . In order to realize the many benefits of electrification of the transportation sector, we need to provide critical early support, such as through tax incentives and efforts to build out charging infrastructure.

We should also recognize that while the EV sector shows promise, the playing field is still tilted towards traditional gas-fueled vehicles. It’s critical that we simultaneously preserve policies like the federal fuel economy standards, which make all vehicles more fuel efficient, as well as those that promote EVs, while opposing self-serving efforts to maximize polluter profits.
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Mahoney of course never once mentions the central reason that this conversation matters: pollution.

And given the chance, Americans will always choose, clean air, clean water and a healthy world for their children (http://www.bativert.ma/images/image3.jpg) over a world fouled by unnecessary and unwanted pollution.

EVs have the potential to advance all of these objectives as part of a clean energy future. (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-object-077.gif)

http://ecowatch.com/2016/04/07/big-oil-battle-electric-vehicles/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 07, 2016, 08:45:02 pm
Tesla, rivals, software may kill petrol car as soon as 2025  ;D

By Giles Parkinson on 5 April 2016

The response to our article on Monday “Tesla Motor’s Elon Musk just killed the petrol car” was as fascinating as it was overwhelming. It is on track to be the most read story on our web-site to date.  :o  ;D

The response was fascinating because it came from a mixture of those prepared to imagine the future, and read the signs of change, and those focused on short-term issues – be it meeting production schedules, reducing battery costs, or the immediate future of the Tesla share price.

Then there were those who simply didn’t want to know. The oil industry is one of them. It is making predictions, and seeking capital, as though the EV didn’t exist. The nuclear industry also wishes it wasn’t so. “This is bullish*t”, tweeted one of the most prominent nuclear advocates, still clinging to the old centralised energy model.

So we thought it would be useful to explain more about how it is that Musk  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/cowboypistol.gif) has killed the petrol car (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/maniac.gif).

And for that we went back to Stanford University’s Tony Seba, the academic who predicts that fossil fuels, coal and oil in particular, will be redundant by 2030.

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Seba tells RenewEconomy that the latest developments at Tesla, with the huge response to the sneak preview of its new Model 3, and the rollout over at General Motors of the Chevy Bolt, confirm his predictions. They may in fact accelerate them.

Seba’s message is not one that sits comfortably with incumbent industries, the auto and oil sectors in particular. He thinks that new internal combustion engine cars will not be on sale by 2025. Anywhere in the world. And there may not be many internal combustion engine buses, trucks, and tractors either.

This graph below is the key to the story. It comes from Seba’s Clean Disruption book released 18 months ago, and is a forecast of the declining cost of electric vehicles as battery storage costs plummet. The release of the Chevy Bolt and the Tesla Model 3, both at around $US35,000, put developments ahead of his curve.

(http://reneweconomy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/seba-ev-costs-fall-copy.jpg)

It means that within a few years, high-performance EVs will cost less than the average car in the US. Within five years they will be competing with low-cost Buicks.
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“For the past 100 years, the auto industry has told us that if you want high performance you have to pay big bucks,” Seba says. “So when you get a car with a better performance than a Porsche and a cheaper price than a Buick, that’s the end for both Porsche and Buick."   (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

But that’s not the only point. Seba argues that electric vehicles will cost 10 times less than internal combustion engines to charge. Electrons are easier to move than petrol and diesel. Solar powered charging stations will deliver refills at zero marginal cost.

Maintenance will also be significantly cheaper. An international combustion engine has more than 2,000 moving parts. An electric vehicle has less than 20 moving parts. It will have negligible maintenance costs.  (http://elqahera-trading.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dollar-sign-thumbnail1.jpg)

Seba explains more:
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“The Internal Combustion Engine is 17-21 per cent efficient while the electric motor is 90-95 per cent efficient. The EV is 5 times more energy efficient than the ICE car.

“Combine that with the fact that it’s cheaper to transmit electrons (electricity) than atoms (gasoline or diesel) and you get that energy costs/mile are 10 times cheaper for EVs.

“This number of course changes according to local conditions (as you know electricity vs petrol costs vary widely depending on taxes, transmission costs, subsidies, industry protection, etc.), but I haven’t seen a market where energy cost per mile for EVs are less than 5 times cheaper than energy costs for ICE cars.”
Seba worked his predictions on a 200-mile range (320kms) EV costing $US30,000 by 2020, cheaper than the ICE alternative and with huge fuel and maintenance savings.

“Assuming both these cars (GM Bolt and Tesla Model 3) do in fact go to market 2017 and the industry catches up to them by 2018, it fits my forecast perfectly,” Seba says.  ;D

“This means that 2020 would be the tipping point for the disruption, the point at which it would make no financial sense to purchase an ICE vehicle for the average vehicle buyer. Follow the EV cost curve and by 2025 all new vehicles will be electric.

“Interestingly, the median new ICE car in the US is now $US33,000 (compared to his forecast of $US31,000) and the EV cost curve may be accelerating beyond the 16 per cent per year curve that I predicted.

“So, in fact, the end of the ICE vehicle era may happen faster than my 2025 prediction. By the way, this is not just the end of the ICE car era. My prediction is that by 2025 all new vehicles will be electric: cars, SUVs, trucks, buses, tractors, anything that moves on the ground with wheels.

“When digital cameras disrupted film cameras, it didn’t just happen with low-end cameras,” Seba says. “It happened with all cameras. It’s the same dynamics with vehicles.”

These predictions do two things: they validate targets, such as those by India’s roads minister for all cars to be electric by 2030; and they make policies such as the Dutch ban on internal combustion engines from 2025 appear a little redundant.  ;D

And here it is worth reinforcing a point we tried to make yesterday. These predictions do not lie in the success or otherwise of Tesla, or the ability of Musk to meet production targets. And they also do not assume that individual ownership of vehicles will be as paramount as it now is.

Musk, you see, is not alone, he is just blazing a trail. FoxConn, the makers of the Apple laptop, predicts it will be making EVs at a price of $US15,000. Ford, Seba notes, has announced plans to invest $US4.5 billion in electric vehicles, not necessarily to capture the lion’s share of the market in units sold, but to become a “mobility company”.

GM is also investing in the “mobility services” business, snapping up interests in companies investing in lifts and autonomous cars. Google and Apple are investing heavily in similar technologies.

Tesla also has a “master plan”, as we noted on Monday. This does not centre around selling units so much as miles or kilometres travelled. Morgan Stanley says Tesla’s future will rely not on EV deliveries, but the network of service and free charging that is “critical to delivering mobility service-based revenue in the future.”
Seba says a similar transition is happening in the electricity supply industry, where the plunging cost of solar and of battery storage is changing the rules of the game from a centralised to a distributed model, also based around a “zero marginal cost of production”, rather than the increasing marginal cost on which the fossil fuel industry relied.

There are three reasons for this change in focus in the auto industry, Seba says. Cars are moving from internal combustion engines to electric, they are being driven by computers rather than people, and they will be shared rather than owned.
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“Change comes from the outside,” Seba says, referring to the photo, computer, media and telco industries. “ECs are computers on wheels. Companies offer free charging. We are moving to zero marginal cost.

“You can power hour house with your car. If every car in Norway is a full EV, they will be able to store one half of the daily electricity demand.”

And there is one other things that may change too. The use and need for car parks. If Seba is right, and car sharing dominates over individual ownership, then car fleets will be significantly smaller and car usage will switch from 10 per cent usage and 90 per cent parking, to 90 per cent usage and 10 per cent parking.
That’s a lot of car parks lying under-utilised. It may turns out that cheaper real estate is on the way too.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/tesla-rivals-software-may-kill-petrol-car-as-soon-as-2025-2025

EXCELLENT COMMENT:
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Cooma Doug
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There are many powerful influences that emerge in such developments that are hidden by our life just rolling on.

1......insurance of autonomous EVs will be much less. Almost all serious accidents will have human control route cause.

2......noise reduction will change many aspects of life as we know it.

3.......traffic density management via mass co ordination and satellite technologies will hugely affect infrastructure design and requirements for the better.

4.......pollution reduction will be the elephant in the room with huge benefits.

5.......car interior design will change enabling different activities during travel that will benifit life in many ways.

6......The absurd level of danger and risk of death and injury on the road will soon begin to be seen for what it is today. Risk and safety management will be hugely empowered by the EV revolution and will rightly become a major influence in change.

We will look back at todays hazardous roads and be thinking wow....how did they ever allow such crazy things to persist.
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 12, 2016, 07:12:49 pm

The car industry has never witnessed what Tesla is about to go through  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

By Brian Fung and Matt McFarland April 4

Most of the best selling cars in America, such as the Honda Accord or Nissan Altima, generally hit around 300,000 in sales every year.

Tesla saw 276,000 people sign-up to buy its newest all-electric Model 3 sedan — in two days.  :o  ;D

That massive number, which far exceeded optimistic forecasts, upends traditional thinking about how to sell cars and is expected to spur the auto industry to shift more dramatically to market electric technology to consumers, analysts said.

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“We’ve never seen anything quite like this in the auto industry,   (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared002.gif)” said Jessica Caldwell, a senior analyst at Edmunds.com. “It is unprecedented.”

Mainstream car manufacturers have long dabbled in electric technology and some have made a bit of headway in getting such vehicles on the road. But the category was a niche, measured in thousands — not hundreds of thousands — of cars sold.

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Tesla now appears to be doing what no other has so far been able to accomplish — sell electric cars to big crowds.

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A Tesla Model 3 sedan, its first car aimed at the mass market

The company has received nearly as many Model 3 reservations in the past several days as some automakers produce in a single year.

Mazda sold 319,000 vehicles in the United States in 2015, according Caldwell. Lexus sold 344,000.

Even if some pre-orders for the $35,000 Model 3 are cancelled — or if Tesla struggles to meet such demand, which many analysts say is likely — the company has shown that consumer appetite for a well-designed car can be robust, even if (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif) it is purely electric, said James McQuivey, an auto analyst at Forrester.

Agelbert NOTE: Try BECAUSE it is a PURE ELECTRIC well-designed car.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

It’s a watershed moment for rethinking vehicles all together. Tesla is putting together the idea a vehicle needs to be cutting edge and cool, more like an iPhone than like a Model T,” McQuivey said. “It’s changing what we mean when we buy a car and what it says about us.”

He added: “Years from now we’ll look back and say Tesla started an electric vehicle revolution.  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif) But that’s not because the people buying Tesla thought of it as an electric vehicle revolution.”

Some of the additional comfort consumers may now have with electric technology is due to advancements in the batteries as well as the public infrastructure, analysts said.

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Drivers generally no longer need to fear running out of juice on the road, stranded without a power outlet.
The Model 3, for instance, has a range of 215 miles, similar to that of a rival from General Motors, called the Chevy Bolt, which is priced in the low $30,000s.

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Here’s the Chevy Bolt, the main rival to the Tesla Model 3.

And the number of publicly stationed superchargers — which can recharge a battery in a matter of minutes rather than hours — will double to 7,200 by the end of next year, Tesla said. The company also expects its network of car chargers to grow to roughly 20,000 locations by the same time.

Of course, some of the intense demand for the Model 3 may simply be the fruits of Tesla’s public-relations strategy, which centers on its charismatic chief executive, Elon Musk. Interest in his newest creation was helped by the critically acclaimed reviews of the company’s more expensive models as well as flashy presentations that featured his cars’ cutting-edge tech, such as the ability to summon the car, with no one inside, through a smartphone app.

“The Model 3’s huge reservation list should serve as a big wake-up call for the rest of the industry,” said Kelley Blue Book analyst Tony Lim. “Tesla just did a lot of heavy lifting to attract attention to the EV segment.
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Now is the time for competitive manufacturers to begin leveraging this momentum that Tesla created and building awareness to their fully electric vehicles that have comparable performance and appeal.” (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)


The surge in orders is all the more impressive because most people will be paying an average of $42,000 for the Model 3, Musk said. The $35,000 model is a stripped down version.

By comparison, most of the best selling sedans in the country generally cost $25,000 or less.

Indeed, tens of thousands of customers lined up outside Tesla’s stores to order the car last week, with some camping out in tents to make sure they were among the first to put down their $1,000 deposits — even though Model 3 is not expected to be delivered until the end of next year.

“In regards to the recent news, we’re certainly pleased to see such strong demand for affordable long range EVs,” said GM spokesman Fred Ligouri. “We trust that the initial interest from consumers will continue when the Bolt begins production later this year.”

After the company announced its latest pre-order number on Monday, shares of Tesla jumped about 4 percent in regular trading.

Yet significant doubts linger over whether Tesla can ever manufacture that many cars. “Definitely going to need to rethink production planning,” a giddy Musk tweeted Friday when orders for the Model 3 had hit a mere 198,000. Tesla has never delivered more than 5,850 cars in a month, according to estimates by Inside EVs. And it has experienced delays in delivering its SUV, the Model X.

Tesla on Monday said that its “hubris in adding far too much new technology,” the lack of oversight over its suppliers, and not having enough internal capacity led to a shortage of parts for the Model X.

But Musk has expressed confidence  (http://www.emofaces.com/png/200/emoticons/fingerscrossed.png) in being able to meet demand for the Model 3, noting last week that Tesla’s Fremont, Calif., factory had produced 500,000 cars per year — albeit under a different owner.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/04/04/the-car-industry-has-never-witnessed-what-tesla-is-about-to-go-through/

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 28, 2016, 06:22:55 pm
Germany Bets on a Billion-Dollar Boost to Sell More Electric Cars

The German government and automakers have agreed to jointly spend 1 billion euros ($1.1 billion US) to boost demand for electric cars. They hope to meet a goal to put a million electric vehicles on the road by 2020.   (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)


Buyers of new cars will get rebates, but more expensive models, including Tesla’s current offerings, will not be eligible.

The government anticipates an additional 400,000 electric cars will be sold through the measure.

There is controversy over the strategy to increase EV ownership by subsidizing private car sales, and questions about how the energy needed to charge all those batteries would be generated.

(AP, Reuters, Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-27/germany-planning-1-4-billion-in-incentives-for-electric-cars), Forbes, Financial Times $, Wall Street Journal $, Autocar)
 
 


 
 
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 04, 2016, 08:17:58 pm
This classic Ferrari swaps the V8 engine for an all-electric powerplant  ;D

 By Shawn Knight on May 4, 2016, 3:00 PM

Despite the fact that they might not always be practical, electric vehicle conversions are becoming a bit more common. Such is the case with this 1978 Ferrari 308 which foregoes the standard V8 in exchange for an all-electric powertrain.

Eric Hutchinson picked up a salvaged 308, the victim of an engine fire, for around $10,000 and worked with a company called EV West to develop an electric powertrain that utilizes three electric motors. The motors are arranged in a V pattern to fit the 308’s engine bay and are connected via a system of belts and pulleys.

Combined, they generate 415 horsepower and 330 pound-feet of torque, or nearly 200 more horsepower and 121 pound-feet of torque more than a stock V8 generates.

Putting the power to the pavement is a manual transmission pulled from an old Porsche parts bin. That power comes courtesy of 48 3.3-volt lithium-ion batteries. All said and done, the car tips the scales at 3,350 pounds which is just 150 pounds heavier than stock.

Despite the fact that they might not always be practical, electric vehicle conversions are becoming a bit more common. Such is the case with this 1978 Ferrari 308 which foregoes the standard V8 in exchange for an all-electric powertrain.

Eric Hutchinson picked up a salvaged 308, the victim of an engine fire, for around $10,000 and worked with a company called EV West to develop an electric powertrain that utilizes three electric motors. The motors are arranged in a V pattern to fit the 308’s engine bay and are connected via a system of belts and pulleys.

Combined, they generate 415 horsepower and 330 pound-feet of torque, or nearly 200 more horsepower and 121 pound-feet of torque more than a stock V8 generates.

Putting the power to the pavement is a manual transmission pulled from an old Porsche parts bin. That power comes courtesy of 48 3.3-volt lithium-ion batteries.

All said and done, the car tips the scales at 3,350 pounds which is just 150 pounds heavier than stock. (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg)

https://youtu.be/GqMIIqqBCrU

Aside from the fact that you can say you own an electric Ferrari and the additional power it generates, the modified 308 is virtually silent – that may or may not be a good thing, depending on who you ask. Something else that isn’t all that stellar is range; the car is good for just 80 miles on a full charge (and far less if you’re goosing it around town, I’d imagine).

Several Pictures at link (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

http://www.techspot.com/news/64696-classic-ferrari-swaps-v8-engine-all-electric-powerplant.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 07, 2016, 08:27:14 pm
Tesla reports Q1 earnings on par with estimates, aims to reach 500K cars produced two years sooner
By Shawn Knight on May 4, 2016, 7:00 PM   
 
Tesla Motors on Wednesday reported first quarter non-GAAP revenues of $1.6 billion which meant a loss of $75 million for the electric automaker, or $0.57 per share. The Q1 GAAP revenues were $1.15 billion with a net loss of $282 million, or $2.13 per share.

Tesla said orders for its Model S were up 45 percent compared to a year ago. The company, led by Elon Musk, also touted the fact that it secured more than 325,000 reservations for its upcoming Model 3 sedan in the first week alone, implying roughly $14 billion in future sales.

Looking ahead, Tesla still anticipates delivering 80,000 to 90,000 new vehicles this year.    (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)The automaker aims to produce 20,000 vehicles in the second quarter and deliver as many as possible with the rest being delivered in Q3. Realistically, Tesla thinks it can deliver 17,000 vehicles in the coming quarter.

Tesla confirmed earlier in the day that two key executives – Greg Reichow, vice president of production, and Josh Ensign, vice president of manufacturing – were leaving the company. Share values dipped on the news but have mostly recovered in after-hours trading.

Perhaps the biggest news of all (and what sent shares back up) is that Tesla is revising its plan to hit the 500,000-vehicles-produced mark, moving the date up from 2020 to 2018. (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-022.gif)

It’s an aggressive move that the company says will likely require additional capital and push back its goal of being cash flow positive in 2016.

It’s a move that probably makes sense, especially if Tesla wants to cut through its Model 3 reservation list in a sensible timeframe.

http://www.techspot.com/news/64702-tesla-reports-q1-earnings-par-estimates-aims-reach.html

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 08, 2016, 03:57:45 pm
Lithium Boost Technologies Announced First Lithium-ion Battery System Installation in Taylor Dunn Industrial Electric Vehicle    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-260116191529.png)

Date: 5/4/2016 3:24:41 PM Category: Manufacturer News

San Diego, CA, May 5, 2016 – Lithium Boost Technologies Inc., the leading provider of innovative systems to monitor and balance Lithium-ion batteries for low speed electric vehicles (LEVs) today announced the first installation of its solution in a Taylor Dunn vehicle. Phil Trubey, the owner of Willow Creek Stables (Encinitas, CA), pioneered the installation of Lithium Boost’s 100ah system in his 2013 Taylor Dunn B2-48 flatbed hauler.

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2013 Taylor Dunn B2-48 flatbed hauler with Lithium Boost’s 100ah system 


Prior to this, Willow Creek Stables successfully installed the Lithium Boost’s 60ah system in three of their E-Z-GO golf carts. “I own a commercial horse stable and have converted three golf carts over to the Lithium Boost system” said Phil Trubey. “I researched all lithium-ion battery systems for golf carts and Lithium Boost was the clear winner due to cost and their unique charging technology.

Unlike all other systems, they use a separate charger per lithium ion cell which significantly prolongs the life of each cell compared to competing systems. This gives you the added advantage of having an integrated charger and battery pack in a smaller area than the lead acid batteries took up. You end up with a much lighter cart with increased range, much longer lasting battery pack AND NO BATTERY MAINTENANCE. This last one is key - boiling batteries, spilled water, dry cells, corroded cables, and replacing your pack every 2 years are ALL GONE. Also note that they use high quality cells from a respected manufacturer.”


Lithium Boost’s patented solution was successfully installed in hundreds of low-speed electric vehicles such as golf cars, utility fleets, neighborhood transportation and hunting vehicles from various brands including E-Z-GO, Bad Boy Buggy, Polaris, GEM, Club-Car, Yamaha, and Columbia ParCar. Willow Creek Stables performed the first installation of Lithium Boost system in a Taylor Dunn carrier (Note: Taylor Dunn was recently acquired by Polaris Industries Inc.). “As we hear from industry analysts, the boom in low-speed electric vehicles is an unplanned disruption in the electric transportation market”, said Sam Lev, Lithium Boost’s CEO. “We’re experiencing a rising customer demand and our challenge is to make our patent-based lithium battery solution affordable to the masses. Early adopters, like Phil Trubey, support the further growth of innovative lithium power products by affirming the benefits of the advanced technology that is destined to replace the old lead-acid batteries for electric vehicles.”

About Lithium Boost: Lithium Boost Technologies Inc. provides innovative systems to monitor and balance Lithium-ion batteries for low speed electric vehicles (LSEVs). Based on its proprietary technology, Lithium Boost has developed a performance-optimized system that includes smart BMS (Battery Management System) and chargers that allow to best harness the power of lithium-ion LiFePO4 prismatic cells.

Privately held, headquartered in San Diego, the company was founded in 2011 to lead the development of green energy system that can replace existing lead acid batteries in golf carts, Neighborhood Electric Vehicles (NEV), off-road, hunting, and similar low speed vehicles, while eliminating the maintenance hassle, and providing higher performance and longer life cycle at competitive cost. For more information: www.lithiumboost.com (http://www.lithiumboost.com)

Source: www.lithiumboost.com (http://www.lithiumboost.com)
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 18, 2016, 10:19:52 pm
German Government Cabinet approves e-car subsidies / EU nuclear paper causes storm

(German) Federal government

“Tax breaks and buyer’s premium agreed to"  (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-022.gif)

The government cabinet has agreed to an e-car buyer’s premium worth 4,000 euros and ten-year tax breaks for new electric vehicles.

There will be further incentives for employees and employers to make the installation of charging stations at the workplace more attractive, according to the press release.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

The government and carmakers will share the costs for the buyer’s premium, which will be granted until the government share of 600 million euros runs out, or until 2019 at the latest.

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Economy and Energy minister Sigmar Gabriel said in a statement progress on electro mobility was necessary to secure the future of Germany’s car industry. “Growth in demand will trigger important and necessary investments along the entire value chain of electro mobility.”

The government aims to have one million e-cars on the road by 2020, but many experts believe it will miss this target.

Find the government press release in German here. (https://www.bundesregierung.de/Content/DE/Artikel/2016/05/2016-05-18-elektromobilitaet.html;jsessionid=8553E54E26181FF010FC1EF50972F000.s3t1) 

Find the press release from the ministry for economics and energy in German  here. (http://www.bmwi.de/DE/Presse/pressemitteilungen,did=766888.html)

Read  CLEW’s Dossier The energy transition and Germany’s transport sector. (https://www.cleanenergywire.org/dossiers/energy-transition-and-germanys-transport-sector)

Also read CLEW’s article Federal government decides on 4,000 euro buyer's premium for e-cars.
(https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/federal-government-decides-4000-euro-buyers-premium-e-cars)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 24, 2016, 02:59:18 pm
05/23/2016 01:25 PM   

Tesla Raises $1.7 Billion For Model 3

SustainableBusiness.com News

In March, when Tesla received hundreds of thousands of pre-orders for its new Model 3, pundits criticized the company for over-promising.

Apparently, they don't know enough about Elon Musk. Last week, Tesla raised $1.7 billion in a stock sale, selling 6.8 million shares for a cool $215 each.

Musk's audacious goal is to build about 500,000 Model 3s a year by 2018. Within three days of announcing pre-orders, 276,000 were placed, rising to 375,000 since then. Tesla will invest $2.2 billion to get production levels up to meet demand.

That's an enormous jump from the 50,000 vehicles produced in 2015, but never underestimate Elon Musk. 

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Tesla Model 3    (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)

Priced at $35,000 (before incentives), the Model 3 is Tesla's first car that's affordable for mainstream purchasers. Its features can't be beat: a gorgeous car with an all-glass top; a 215-mile range; the ability to accelerate to 60 mph in under 6 seconds; and a 5-star safety rating.   About 100,000 will be delivered at the end of 2017.

The cars will be built in California and the batteries at Tesla's new Gigafactory in Nevada. 

Read our article, Tesla's Success Marks New Age for Electric Cars. (http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/26595)

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/26630 (http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/26630)

Agelbert NOTE: Expect the fossil fuel industry shills in the media, along with the bought and paid for politicians and biosphere math challenged "energy experts", to do absolutely everything they can to prevent,  by hook and by crook, the mass production of EVs.

Expect them (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/165fs373950.gif) to call this a "giant scam" that Musk is pushing to "build rockets to Mars instead of EV cars".   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/ugly004.gif)

Expect them to print ""energy expert" articles in the Wall Street Journal claiming the battery power for EVs is "not cost effective".  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/tissue.gif) (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/shame.gif)

Expect Lamar Smith, famed politician front man for the fossil fuel industry, to announce an "investigation" into Tesla's finances on behalf of the fossil fuel industry red blooded Amerikans.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png)

WHY?

Because 42% of refinery output is for GASOLINE. As it is, the 23% refinery output for HEATING OIL (including kerosene) is threatened by Solar power. PV is already putting a huge dent in fossil fuel based HEATING energy market share  ;D. If the oil and gas majors lose the automotive fuel market share, they go the way of the dodo bird.

(http://quotes.lifehack.org/media/quotes/quote-John-D.-Rockefeller-competition-is-a-sin-42310.png)

Details here: (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/fossil-fuel-folly/fossil-fuel-profits-getting-eaten-alive-by-renewable-energy!/msg5134/#msg5134) and  here  (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/fossil-fuel-folly/fossil-fuels-degraded-democracy-and-profit-over-planet-pollution/msg5140/#msg5140).

Quote

"Hitting peak oil will come faster than any of us think. But don't blame dwindling supply — it's all about disappearing demand" Amory Lovins
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 29, 2016, 02:52:10 pm
Agelbert NOTE: A Leaf owner's comment iseven better than the article!

RobSez

This is an excellent article. Thank you. However, I'd like to add one very important thing to know you seem to have overlooked.

I've been driving a Nissan Leaf since the very beginning. Driving a 100% BEV isn't like driving your average ICE vehicle. In fact if you drive your EV like you probably drive your ICE you won't get very far. 21st century ICE cars have made us lazy drivers. You can't be lazy and drive an EV.

First, for new, inexperienced EV drivers to avoid range anxiety, I recommend planning EVERY trip, even if it's just across town. This will help you learn where charging stations are on your common trips. Then you won't worry about those after a week or two.

On the subject of chargers. Only plug in if you need to. If you've got 70% or more, you don't need to charge unless you're leaving town on a trip. Keep a book or two in the car just in case there is nothing to do or see at the charger you find yourself using. Also, it's not necessary to fully charge every time you plug in. If you only need 20-30 miles to get home, that could be as little as 30 minutes or as much as an hour on a Level-2 (240v) charger and there's no need to waste time charging for longer than that.

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Don't Level-3 (400+v DC) charge unless you have to. Try to reserve Level 3 charging to long trips. Even though that 20-30 miles charge to get across town will take less than 10 minutes on a L3.

(http://www.mpoweruk.com/images/Coupler%20standards.jpg)

Second, your driving habits will have to change. This seems easier for drivers with manual transmission experience, just without much shifting. Things like coasting up to traffic lights and down hills are common practice with a manual shifter vs full-on power until you're forced to stop like we do with automatic transmissions.

If "B" or "Braking Mode" is available use it on very long and/or very steep hills. It also works great exiting the interstate or other situations where you have some distance to kill off high speed momentum before coming to a stop.

Don't drive in "B" or "Eco" mode all the time. The car's onboard computer is designed to give you optimum range under any given power load. Go with it. Eco on the Leaf works best under 45 mph in most inner city stop-&-go situations, especially if running environmental controls (heat or air) while in traffic. On the subject of environmental controls it's different in an EV. You want the air conditioning as high as is comfortable and the heat as low as is comfortable. If the outside temp is 85, 74 seems very cool. If the outside temp is 95, 80 inside seems downright cold. Recirculation is your friend. Heat is the same way. We regularly get winter temps in my area that are below 20f. Setting the inside temp to 42-45 is quite comfortable. You just have to play with the cabin temp to find what is comfortable for you. Of course, if you're low on charge and searching for a charger (assuming you're not on the interstate hwy) Eco mode is generally a necessity.

Driving an EV requires being aware of the terrain you're traversing, the outside temperature and the flow of traffic. EV drivers don't speed over the speed limit very much for a reason, it costs range. The bottom line is driving an EV requires thinking ahead. The whole range anxiety thing generally passes in 3 to 6 months and then it's just pure fun. The upside to re-learning how to drive is you become a safer and more efficient driver no matter what you're driving. Happy (electric) motoring!
 
agelbert > RobSez  

Excellent comment! Thank you for providing your real world experience. I still cannot afford to buy an EV but when I do, I will probably be forced to lease it. Like everybody on fixed, modest retirement incomes (or anybody else that pays less MUCH less than $7,500 a year in taxes), I would lose about $6,000 of the tax credit if I purchased and EV outright. In a lease, the total $7,500 credit is bundled in the overall lease package.

That said, I think the fossil fuel friendly Congress deliberately limited the $7,500 tax credit to be used in just one year or lost in order to slow the purchase of EVs by the American public.

THAT constitutes ANOTHER bit of totally unreasonable subsidizing of the internal combustion polluting status quo.

END ALL SUBSIDIES for fossil fuels, and the machines that use them, NOW!


RobSez > agelbert   

We lease our Leaf and always have. It just makes more sense for us. Even with $7,500 tax credit, you're probably going to lose more than that in depreciation when you drive it off the lot. EVs have a horrible resale value, especially the Leaf for some reason. You can lease a Leaf for about what you can lease an Altima for.

Also, the technology is changing constantly, even though the body style isn't and you never have to worry about replacement batteries. Our 2015 model does MUCH better with extreme temperatures than any previous model and gets 80 to 90 miles range fairly easily. We've gone farther with a little effort under the right conditions though. My personal best is 108 miles round trip. Our 2011 model got 80 miles range under ideal conditions on it's best day.

If you absolutely must buy an EV and you don't need a lot of range, the best deals out there are on used ones. I know a guy my wife works with recently bought a 2012 Leaf that had been kept in a garage with 8,600 total miles on it. He paid $7,200 for it.

I personally wouldn't buy anything used prior to 2013 models. 2013 is when the battery chemistry changed and the 'Lizard' battery made it easier to drive in very hot and very cold weather. I saw a 2013 SV for sale recently with a little over 13k miles and they were only asking $10,800. It looked brand new. We're going to continue to lease but if you look around there are deals to be had.

I think we need to end all subsidies for all businesses, especially fossil fuels. The $7,500 EV money isn't an ongoing thing anyway and will end when manufacturers reach their target sales numbers. I've heard from other EV drivers there is historic precedent from back when 'Service Stations' were rare.

I believe if the general public were better educated about EVs and actually would test drive them, the EV market wouldn't just stand on its own, it would takeoff.

agelbert > RobSez

I agree 100% with you. Thank you for being part of the solution.



Ready to Buy an Electric Vehicle? Here’s What You Need to Know

Patrick Rogers, Natural Resources Defense Council | May 29, 2016 11:58 am

That loud sound you hear over the horizon might just be the electric car finally revving up to enter the mainstream American auto market. Except that electric cars don’t really rev—they’re practically silent, handle beautifully, save you money at the gas pump and do the least harm to the environment of any vehicle currently on the road. But until recently, delivering that package of benefits in a car with reliable range and an affordable price tag has been an elusive goal for manufacturers and eco-conscious drivers alike.


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What are the key differences between owning an EV or plug-in hybrid, versus driving a conventional car with an internal combustion engine, that a driver should take into account? ??? Photo credit: Predrag Vuckovic / iStock


In 2010, there were just a few models widely available to consumers in the U.S. Today, thanks to the rapid pace of innovation in the making and marketing, the number of electric vehicles (or EVs) and plug-in hybrids on the market exceeds 20 and competition among automakers to get into the electric game means many more models and vehicle types are on the way.

The unveiling of Tesla’s new Model 3—a sporty $35,000 battery-operated sedan with a reported range of more than 200 miles—proved how mass the appeal of EVs has become. Within a matter of weeks after the new Tesla was announced in April 2016, more than 370,000 enthusiasts put down $1,000 deposits to pre-order the new model due to hit the streets in late 2017.

With rapid improvements in battery life—and prices falling— “it’s a great time to drive electric,” said Luke Tonachel, director of the Natural Resources Defense Council’s (NRDC) Clean Vehicles and Fuels project. Federal and state tax credits of up to $10,000 per purchase make the switch even more tempting, he added. But what are the key differences between owning an EV or plug-in hybrid, versus driving a conventional car with an internal combustion engine, that a driver should take into account?

Here are all the pros and the cons, of going electric:

Performance and Handling


Electric motors produce instant torque, making acceleration on the road fast and smooth. “It’s a great driving experience—you hear people talk about drivers with an ‘EV smile,’” Tonachel said. Top speeds in EVs are comparable with similar styles and models of gas cars and the large battery packs, usually located under the floor of the car, make them stable on the road. EVs are available in front-, rear- and all-wheel drive setups where the fast-response electric drive can help maximize traction and maneuverability. Still, some motorists prefer the more mechanical dynamics and gear shifting of a gas-powered sports car.

Fuel Efficiency

This will depend on which type of electric car you’re driving. There are battery-only electric cars (EVs); hybrid models with both gas and electric engines and a battery pack charged from an external source (plug-in hybrids or PHEVs); and hybrids that generate their own electricity (HEVs). All these vehicles cost less to operate than a car that runs only on gas. The cost of recharging varies from region to region and also depends on the time of day (peak vs. non-peak). Based on the average of electricity prices nationwide, the U.S. Department of Energy estimates that the cost of driving on grid electricity is equivalent to paying around $1 per gallon at the gas pump. The department’s Alternative Fuel Data Center has calculated that light-duty cars operating in electric mode can have fuel efficiency equivalent to more than 100 miles a gallon in a conventional car. Hybrids also have gas tanks, of course, but they burn much less of that type of fuel than conventional cars.

Environmental Impact

No contest here: EVs and hybrids are generally more eco-friendly than gas-only vehicles. Cars running on electricity produce zero tailpipe emissions; hybrids, when running on gas, do emit some carbon pollution and particulate matter, but less than conventional cars. Of course, electricity itself isn’t entirely “clean,” especially in parts of the country with heavy reliance on old fossil-fuel power plants that emit greenhouse gases that cause climate change. Nevertheless, the typical electric-powered personal vehicle accounts for less than half the carbon pollution spewed by a conventional car over the course of its lifetime, according to research conducted by the Electric Power Research Institute and NRDC in 2015. That number is expected to fall further as older fossil-fuel power plants are phased out and replaced with cleaner sources such as renewable wind and solar power.

Range Reliability


Two words have dogged the battery-operated auto industry from the beginning: range anxiety. This is the notion that drivers will find themselves stuck on a busy highway with a low battery—and nowhere to recharge it. “It’s an understandable concern,” Tonachel said. To drive a current-generation EV with a range of 80 miles from New York City to Albany, New York—a distance of 147 miles—“you would have to plan it very carefully,” he said. But the average American driver uses his or her vehicle 29.2 miles on a daily basis and that is well within the range of today’s average EV. The next generation of EVs to hit the market, like the all-electric 2017 Chevrolet Bolt, which has an advertised range of more than 200 miles, should give consumers even more confidence. This also explains the appeal of a hybrid; it has a gas engine that kicks into gear when the battery runs low.

Refueling Options


Fans of the internal combustion engine insist that nothing beats the convenience of the nation’s vast network of gas stations. There were 112,000 of them in 2015, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, versus about 13,500 public electric charging stations. Expanding that recharging infrastructure is critical as EVs make greater and greater inroads into the market and states, municipalities, utility companies, car dealerships, restaurants, hotels and retailers such as Walmart and Kohl’s are all working to increase capacity. What these statistics don’t reflect is the large number of charging outlets in private homes, which is where the majority of EV drivers now replenish their batteries, said Tonachel. A standard two-prong 110 volt household outlet powers an EV at a rate of roughly four miles of range per hour of charging. Paying an electrician to install a $500 to $1,000 240-volt recharger allows you to top up the EV in your garage up to six times faster. And that’s very convenient indeed.

http://ecowatch.com/2016/05/29/electric-vehicle-guide/

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 30, 2016, 06:05:53 pm
Leaf owner comments UPDATE

(http://www.nissanusa.com/dam/nissan/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf/2016/overview/key-features/2016-nissan-leaf-electric-car-battery-large.jpg)
2016 Nissan Leaf EV

 
agelbert > RobSez  

Excellent comment! Thank you for providing your real world experience. I still cannot afford to buy an EV but when I do, I will probably be forced to lease it. Like everybody on fixed, modest retirement incomes (or anybody else that pays less MUCH less than $7,500 a year in taxes), I would lose about $6,000 of the tax credit if I purchased and EV outright. In a lease, the total $7,500 credit is bundled in the overall lease package.

That said, I think the fossil fuel friendly Congress deliberately limited the $7,500 tax credit to be used in just one year or lost in order to slow the purchase of EVs by the American public.

THAT constitutes ANOTHER bit of totally unreasonable subsidizing of the internal combustion polluting status quo.

END ALL SUBSIDIES for fossil fuels, and the machines that use them, NOW!


RobSez > agelbert   

We lease our Leaf and always have. It just makes more sense for us. Even with $7,500 tax credit, you're probably going to lose more than that in depreciation when you drive it off the lot. EVs have a horrible resale value, especially the Leaf for some reason. You can lease a Leaf for about what you can lease an Altima for.

Also, the technology is changing constantly, even though the body style isn't and you never have to worry about replacement batteries. Our 2015 model does MUCH better with extreme temperatures than any previous model and gets 80 to 90 miles range fairly easily. We've gone farther with a little effort under the right conditions though. My personal best is 108 miles round trip. Our 2011 model got 80 miles range under ideal conditions on it's best day.

If you absolutely must buy an EV and you don't need a lot of range, the best deals out there are on used ones. I know a guy my wife works with recently bought a 2012 Leaf that had been kept in a garage with 8,600 total miles on it. He paid $7,200 for it.

I personally wouldn't buy anything used prior to 2013 models. 2013 is when the battery chemistry changed and the 'Lizard' battery made it easier to drive in very hot and very cold weather. I saw a 2013 SV for sale recently with a little over 13k miles and they were only asking $10,800. It looked brand new. We're going to continue to lease but if you look around there are deals to be had.

I think we need to end all subsidies for all businesses, especially fossil fuels. The $7,500 EV money isn't an ongoing thing anyway and will end when manufacturers reach their target sales numbers. I've heard from other EV drivers there is historic precedent from back when 'Service Stations' were rare.

I believe if the general public were better educated about EVs and actually would test drive them, the EV market wouldn't just stand on its own, it would takeoff.

agelbert > RobSez

I agree 100% with you. Thank you for being part of the solution.

Ready to Buy an Electric Vehicle? Here’s What You Need to Know (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/renewables/electric-vehicles/msg5181/#msg5181)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 31, 2016, 03:01:35 pm
BMW South Africa Unveils Solar Carport to Charge Electric Vehicles

Katie Pohlman | May 31, 2016 11:10 am

BMW South Africa is reducing its carbon footprint with the launch of its electric vehicle charging stations. The group’s first 100 percent renewable solar-powered carport charging station will roll out in July.


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The BMW i solar carport, produced by SUNWORX, is made of bamboo with stainless steel housing for the solar modules. The solar modules can produce an average of 3.6 kilowatts of power, which will be transferred to the BMW i Wallbox. The Wallbox shows a live readout of how much power is being generated by the carport and charges electric and plug-in hybrid BMW models, according to a BMW South Africa press release.

“With the rollout of the BMW i solar carport, the BMW Group is demonstrating its commitment of shaping the future of individual mobility–not only with ground-breaking products and services, but also with the global as well as local involvement in the expansion of home and publicly accessible charging infrastructure for electrically powered vehicles,” Tim Abbott, CEO of BMW Group South Africa and Sub-Sahara, said.

BMW South Africa plans to distribute public carports to major cities such as Johannesburg and Cape Town. Electric and plug-in hybrid owners will be able to use the public stations with ChargeNow, a card and app used for access and payment at the stations.

Individuals and businesses can purchase carports as well. The power in the BMW i Wallbox that is not used to charge a car can feed into a home’s energy system, Clean Technica reported.

BMW unveiled its solar-powered carports in the U.S. in May 2014.

“With the solar carport concept we opted for a holistic approach: not only is the vehicle itself sustainable, but so is its energy supply,” Tom Allemann, who is responsible for the carport design at BMW Group DesignworksUSA, reported Inhabitat. “This is therefore an entirely new generation of carports that allows energy to be produced in a simple and transparent way. It renders the overarching theme of lightweight design both visible and palpable.”
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http://ecowatch.com/2016/05/31/bmw-solar-carport/

Agelbert COMMENT:
This is an excellent innovation. Anyone with critical thinking skills should applaud this obvious way to charge EVs and reduce our carbon footprint while doing so.

Unfortunately, am certain the fossil fuelers will soon show up to complain that it's a "bad idea" because the sun, not being in the sky for 24 hours a day, is intermittent.

In addition, expect the bought and paid for town council zone ordinance friends of the fossil fuel industry in the USA (e.g. Colchester, Vermont!) to ban these structures because they are "ugly".

So it goes.   :(
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 04, 2016, 05:57:00 pm
Meet the World’s First Electric Walking Bike

Lorraine Chow | June 3, 2016 11:59 am

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Meet the Lopifit—a half bike, half treadmill that brings the world of cycling and walking together.

The scooter-like contraption—the first of its kind in the world—was invented by Bruin Bergmeester, who of course hails from the bike-friendly Netherlands.

“When I was talking on my treadmill in my fitness room one day I thought, ‘Why not bring the treadmill outdoors?'” he recalled to the Epoch Times.

Bergmeester and his wife built the first five Lopifit bikes in their living room, InsideEVs reported.

With six gears and an Quantum Motor that gives the bike a range of 34 miles on a single charge, the Lopifit is another reason to leave your car at home.

“The Lopifit is a totally new way of moving,” the company boasts on its website. “With the electric assist, it takes no more effort to walk than ‘a walk in the park.'”

Not only is riding a Lopifit faster than walking, as Lopifit marketing manager Rob van Ooijen says in the video below, “You go 25 kilometers (15 miles) an hour so you get more distance with a Lopifit.”

https://youtu.be/b_L4QMOvH2o (https://youtu.be/b_L4QMOvH2o)

“And it’s more interesting than normal walking,” he added.

To get moving on the Lopifit, all you have to do is walk at a normal pace to push the treadmill belt backwards. An onboard sensor registers the movement and activates the motor to propel the bike.

As for the specs, the Lopifit’s frame is made of steel and comes with LED lighting and a luggage carrier. The bike is 2.3 meters (7.5 feet) in total length with a 28-inch front wheel and a 20-inch rear wheel.

http://ecowatch.com/2016/06/03/electric-walking-bike/ (http://ecowatch.com/2016/06/03/electric-walking-bike/)

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 04, 2016, 09:11:35 pm
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Frankfurter Rundschau

EU should ban fossil-fuelled cars from 2025

The EU is falling behind in its climate ambition and has ignored the message from the Paris Agreement, writes Hans-Josef Fell, president of Energy Watch Group, in a guest article for the Frankfurter Rundschau. Renewables are booming in other countries while investment in the EU has decreased by 21 percent in 2015.

The EU must secure the exit of coal and the divestment from fossil industries and tackle the transport sector with a targeted support of electric and hydrogen technologies. Fossil-fuelled motors should be forbidden by 2025, Fell says.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/protests-against-renewables-law-eon-spin-receive-loans
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 06, 2016, 10:18:17 pm
Norway Reportedly Banning Sales of Gas-Powered Cars by 2025  (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

Norway’s four leading political parties have reportedly reached an agreement to ban the sale of all gasoline-powered cars by 2025, according to Norwegian Liberal Party MP Ola Elverstuen.
Quote

“After 2025 new private cars, buses and light commercial vehicles will be zero-emission vehicles. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)  By 2030, new heavier vans, 75 percent of new long-distance buses, 50 percent of new trucks will be zero emission vehicles,” he said.

About 24 percent of Norway’s cars are already electric vehicles.   :o  ;D

Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted words of praise for the development, calling Norway an “amazingly awesome country.”

There is some uncertainty, however, as the two left-leaning parties have confirmed the news while the two right-leaning parties have denied it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/norway-to-ban-the-sale-of-all-fossil-fuel-based-cars-by-2025-and-replace-with-electric-vehicles-a7065616.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 07, 2016, 09:42:39 pm
The rapid growth of electric cars worldwide, in 4 charts

Updated by Brad Plumer on June 6, 2016, 5:05 p.m. ET @bradplumer brad@vox.com

SNIPPET:

One million down, another billion or so to go.

In a new report, the International Energy Agency estimates that 1.26 million electric cars hit the world's roads in 2015, passing a nifty (if symbolic) milestone. Here's a chart showing the very rapid growth of both battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrids (PHEV):

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/6/11867894/electric-cars-global-sales

Agelbert NOTE: Add about 20% to the numbers published by the International Energy Agency and you will have more accurate statistics. The projections of the EV car market share on the planet by 2040 by the fossil fuel friendly IEA woefully understate the most probable scenario. IOW, by 2040, 99% of the cars and trucks will be EVs.   
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 18, 2016, 06:13:07 pm
Clean Energy Wire Briefing
Thursday,
16 Jun 2016

VW presents 2025 e-car strategy / Grid operator optimistic (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-280416145345.jpeg)

Volkswagen Group

VW aims to sell 2-3 million e-cars by 2025


Car giant VW plans a "major electrification initiative" with more than 30 new purely battery-powered electric vehicles by 2025. The company today presented key building blocks of the "TOGETHER - strategy 2025", including measures on e-mobility, battery technology, digitalisation and autonomous driving. According to a press release, VW forecasts that in 2025, e-car sales will be between 2 and 3 million units, equivalent to some 20 to 25 percent of the total unit sales expected at that time. Volkswagen will present the detailed strategic program before the end of the year.

VW CEO Matthias Müller said at a press conference the company faced the largest transformation of its history. VW's core mission was to turn the company into a global leader in sustainable mobility. "Sustainability in a comprehensive sense will determine our future actions," Müller said. He added the technology for e-car batteries and automated driving were to become core competences of the group . "The word 'evolution' is much too weak to describe what lies ahead [...] not only automobiles face dramatic changes, but mobility will be defined in a new way."
https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detailpage/-/detail/New-Group-strategy-adopted-Volkswagen-Group-to-become-a-world-leading-provider-of-sustainable-mobility/view/3681833/7a5bbec13158edd433c6630f5ac445da?p_p_auth=Alk73lRS

Grid operator optimistic about grid extensions

Germany’s largest power grid operator Amprion has said it is optimistic about realising grid extensions deemed necessary for the country’s energy transition, reports Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. “The Energiewende is lagging behind a little. But we now have a much improved legal framework and will manage it,” said Chief Technical Officer Klaus Kleinekorte.

The Federal Grid Agency  said last week (https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/delay-power-grid-extension-eon-about-restart) that the completion of important power lines would be delayed by at least three years. Amprion said it would step up grid investments to 550 million euros this year, and planned to invest a total of 5.5 billion euros into power highways by 2025.
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 18, 2016, 06:51:54 pm
Clean Energy Wire
Thursday,
15 Jun 2016

Wirtschaftswoche/dpa

“Deutsche Post: Entire vehicle fleet switches to e-cars”  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/za4.gif)

German mail service Deutsche Post DHL plans to replace its entire fleet with electric vehicles, reports news agency dpa. “It’s not a crazy vision but reality that we can only drive with electric vehicles in the mid-term,” company CEO Frank Appel said, without giving further details on the plans. The current Deutsche Post fleet consists of 92,000 vehicles, according to the article.

Deutsche Post announced in April it would start production of an electric delivery vehicle this year.

“Government does away with stinky cars” (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

From 2030 onwards, only emission-free new cars should be registered in Germany, said Jochen Flasbarth, state secretary in the environment ministry, according to tageszeitung. This is necessary “if we are to take the Paris Climate Agreement seriously – and we are”, said Flasbarth.

This was also the opinion in the top level of the economy ministry. State secretary  Rainer Baake had said before (https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/phasing-out-conventional-cars-close-call-rwe) that Germany should stop registering new conventional cars by 2030 if the sector was going to be emission free by 2050.

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 19, 2016, 06:01:53 pm
This is still beyond my reach, but I hope that will change soon. (http://www.emofaces.com/png/200/emoticons/fingerscrossed.png)

https://youtu.be/kLHhyENNt2I

http://www.driveelectricvt.com/pluginvt?gclid=CJ_twO-Itc0CFdgVgQodY-sBtw
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 22, 2016, 08:14:05 pm
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June 22, 2016 12:17 am

EVs will put oil majors into permanent decline  ;D

Sir, You report that Volkswagen plans to sell between 2m and 3m electric vehicles by 2025 (“Müller maps new direction for VW”, June 16). You don’t mention that an arithmetic consequence is that this will put the oil price below $30 a barrel and the oil majors into permanent decline.

The arithmetic is simple. Volkswagen has a 14 per cent global market share. If, as seems likely, its competitors follow its lead and all the plans come off, then electric vehicle sales will be around 18m units in 2025.

If sales build linearly to this level, the electric vehicle fleet will be 90m units or about 9 per cent of the global light vehicle fleet by then. This fleet currently consumes about 50m barrels of oil a day, so by 2025 electric vehicles may displace 4.5m barrels a day and rising.

The past two years have shown the price consequences of oil supply exceeding demand.

It is surely time for the large investors in the oil majors to wake up(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/snapoutofit.gif) and demand management plans for dealing with the energy and technology transition that is threatening to overtake them.

Howard Covington

London SW7, UK

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/48390f56-33e4-11e6-bda0-04585c31b153.html#axzz4CM9JbV4p
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 22, 2016, 09:16:52 pm
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Germany gets fracking law / Daimler plans energy transition - report

Spiegel Online

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“Coalition wants to push through fracking law on Friday”     (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

The government has scheduled the Bundestag vote on a law restricting fracking in Germany for this Friday, writes Spiegel Online. Leaders of the two parties in the coalition government (Christian and Social Democrats) have agreed on a compromise that “virtually bars” unconventional fracking in Germany, said Armin Laschet, deputy chairman of the Christian Democratic Union.

The law is to limit the number of test drillings, which will be subject to approval by federal states. Green Party energy spokesperson Julia Verlinden said the draft did not do enough to restrict fracking, and was being hurried through parliament.

The government is under pressure to pass the law in order to close a loophole in current legislation, after energy companies  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/pirates5B15D_th.gif) threatened to start the permit process.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germany-gets-fracking-law-daimler-plans-energy-transition-report


Süddeutsche Zeitung


“Adieu Diesel”
   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)   

VW’s announcement that new investment in diesel engines will become questionable can be seen as the carmaker’s Energiewende, writes Thomas Fromm in Süddeutsche Zeitung.

Diesel cars will not disappear from the streets, but the technology will be phased out, Fromm says. All major German carmakers need to confront the problem that diesel cars constitute the majority of sales.

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“From diesel to e-car: It’s now about financing the energy transition," Fromm writes. "It would have come cheaper had they started earlier.”  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

In an opinion piece in the same newspaper, Peter Fahrenholz says it is far from clear whether carmakers can manage the required cultural change. “Until now, the combustors (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif) call the shots – not only because they are a majority, but because it’s deep within the companies’ DNA.    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191329.bmp) And suddenly the electro weirdos (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif) in the chaotic basement are meant to set the tone?” 

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/climate-action-plan-2050-delayed-vw-more-diesel

Agelbert NOTE: It's Rock and Roll time at VW!

Electro "weidos"= (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-301014181553.gif)                                    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-210316151047.png)=Combusters
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 27, 2016, 06:58:16 pm
Nissan LEAF now the third best-selling car in Norway

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Record sales in first half to 2016 mean there are now 25,000 of the all-electric hatchback on the country's roads

The Nissan LEAF has been the third best-selling car Norway so far in 2016, the maker of the all-electric hatchback announced on Friday.

The new figures show 2,450 LEAFs have been sold in the country so far this year - an increase of almost 60 per cent compared to the same period last year, when Norway's total was just under 25,000.

Nissan has supported the development of quick charging infrastructure for electric vehicles (EVs) in Norway and partnered with supermarket chain KIWI to install 50 fast chargers at its stores throughout the country.

As a whole, EVs accounted for 15 per cent of Norway's new car sales so far in 2016, the firm said, making it one of the largest EV markets in the world. Gareth Dunsmore, director of electric vehicles at Nissan Europe, said Norway is "spearheading" the switch to sustainable mobility.

"Nissan has been at the forefront of the electric vehicle movement since the introduction of the Nissan LEAF in 2010 and with its third generation now available, we are confident that we will retain a leading position in the ever-expanding EV market," he added in a statement.


The news comes several months after Nissan announced record sales of almost 17,000 electric cars in Europe for the 2015-16 fiscal year. The Nissan LEAF has also been the best-selling 100 per cent EV in the UK for the past four years, with figures released in January showing it is outselling other models by more than two to one.

http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2462780/nissan-leaf-now-the-third-best-selling-car-in-norway
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 05, 2016, 09:00:07 pm
Agelbert NOTE: Sarcasm alert.  ;D 

How many more of these wrecks can Tesla take before Ralph Nader files a Class Action lawsuit?  ???    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191404.bmp)

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Tesla-Unsafe-at-Any-Voltage.png)

RE

Jul 5, 2016 5:44 PM

Tesla Drops On Report Of Another "Autopilot" Crash And Rollover
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-05/tsla-drops-report-another-autopilot-mode-crash-and-rollover

Well, we've been dealing with these for almost a century without any pesky regulatory action or Ralph Nader Class Action lawsuits.    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191456.bmp)

(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-111215-fire-rs.photoblog900.jpg)

Perspective is an amazing thing. Too bad Zero Hedge doesn't have it.  ;)

Soon we will all be able to return to our safe vehicles that carry 10 to 20 gallons of that harmless substance called gasoline.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 06, 2016, 10:38:32 pm
The Electric Semi is here.
https://youtu.be/qfpY6chxSsk
The down payment has been made for about 7,000 of them.      (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 06, 2016, 11:16:01 pm
Electric Cars Could Wreak Havoc on Oil Markets Within a Decade   (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

https://youtu.be/jwHN6QQWv2g
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Published on Feb 24, 2016

February 24 -- There are more than one billion cars on the road worldwide today, and only one tenth of one percent of them have a plug. OPEC contends that even in the year 2040, EVs will make up just one percent. But don't be so sure.  ;D

 By 2020, some electric cars and SUVs will be faster, safer, cheaper, and more convenient than their gasoline counterparts. What if people just stop buying oil? In the first episode of our animated series, Sooner Than You Think, Bloomberg's Tom Randall does the math on when oil markets might be headed for the big crash.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 06, 2016, 11:36:46 pm
The Electric Semi is here.

https://youtu.be/qfpY6chxSsk
The down payment has been made for about 7,000 of them.      (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

According to the Video, you don't have to plug it in because it has Turbines which charge the batteries on board.  So what is powering the turbines?

RE

It appears to be a hybrid. But considering the gigantic amount of fuel the pigs on the road use now, this looks like a step in the right direction. I hope you don't believe that this semi is a glorified fossil fuel powered electric generator/motor. I don't. Apparently, the option to just recharge batteries from the turbines is a range anxiety eliminating feature, not a 24/7 online system.

We will know for sure in about a year.

At any rate, the fact that they do NOT idle at a stop light is a very nice feature.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2254040/images/o-KAMLOOPS-SEMI-FIRE-facebook.jpg)

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 08, 2016, 12:52:07 am
It appears to be a hybrid. But considering the gigantic amount of fuel the pigs on the road use now, this looks like a step in the right direction. I hope you don't believe that this semi is a glorified fossil fuel powered electric generator/motor. I don't. Apparently, the option to just recharge batteries from the turbines is a range anxiety eliminating feature, not a 24/7 online system.

We will know for sure in about a year.

At any rate, the fact that they do NOT idle at a stop light is a very nice feature.  :icon_mrgreen:


To get the kind of range they are claiming for it, it's not being done on the batteries.

It's main advantage would be in congested cities where you could run all electric, and then charge while driving over the open road.

However, it's hard to say what the overall total emissions difference is from a conventional diesel.  It sounds to me like a smaller version of a Diesel-Electric Train Locomotive.

RE


I am not a fan of using CNG to power a gas turbine that recharges batteries to achieve the 1,200 mile range this semi is supposed to get. But overall, the Nikola Electric Semi should have a smaller amount of emissions than a diesel system. Diesels are much more polluting because they are plagued with incomplete combustion versus the more clean burning CNG. Then there is the overnight plug-in that gives you about 100 miles fossil fuel free each day you are on the road. Multiply that by 7,000 trucks and the CO2 savings start to build up.  :emthup:

It really sucks that they will probably be getting their CNG from frackers.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183337.bmp)

But the fact that methane CAN be obtained from harversters on land fills and animal farms makes this truck potentially totally green IF they use Renewable Energy based CH4 and not fossil CH4.  (http://www.emofaces.com/png/200/emoticons/fingerscrossed.png)

This Electric Semi is called the Nikola One

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(https://nikolamotor.com/assets/nikola_one_inside-5cac8b1fe593b4690e357377e2b63c4b5d50a6022946406504114f97d86862cd.jpg)

I got the following from their web site:

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FAQS
Below are answers to the most frequently asked questions we have received. They are organized alphabetically by category, not in order of relevance.

BATTERIES
Q: What is the warranty on the battery pack?
A: Each battery pack is warrantied for the life of the lease which is earliest of 7 years or 1,000,000 miles.

Q: What is the size of the battery pack for the Nikola One™?
A: The Nikola One™ prototype has a 320 kilowatt hour (kWh) battery pack. The production model battery pack for the Nikola One™ might be slightly larger or smaller, depending on electric motor power needs as determined during testing.

Q: What kind of cells are in the battery packs?
A: The Nikola One™ battery pack cell size is 18650 lithium ion. There are several top manufactures of these cells, and we are still deciding which brand of lithium ion cell we will use based on which will provide the best performance. Once we have chosen a manufacturer, we will make an announcement.

Q: How much does the battery pack weigh?
A: The weight of the battery pack will depend on the final size of the production model battery pack. We estimate the production model battery pack will weigh between 3,000-4,000 lbs., which is significantly lighter than the diesel engine that has been removed.

Q: Is the battery pack weatherproof? Will it erode due to harsh or extreme conditions?
A: Each battery pack will be IP67 rated, which means it can withstand being submerged in water without shorting out or catching on fire. The battery pack will be tested under the harshest conditions to ensure suitability in extreme climates even when being blasted with road salt.

Q: How far can the Nikola One™ travel on the battery pack alone?
A: Each Nikola One™ is outfitted with an onboard range extending turbine that will automatically charge the battery pack when needed.


If the onboard turbine were to fail, the Nikola One™ can travel around 100-200 miles at full battery level, depending on the size of the load. The Nikola One™ also has a charging port to help top off the batteries whenever you are resting.
(http://overdrive.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Nikola-One-3.jpg)

https://nikolamotor.com/one#specs

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 08, 2016, 01:36:34 am
https://youtu.be/XJ2C4_7bqrk

Electric Truck Hauling Scrap (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191456.bmp)

Agelbert NOTE: There's a lot of work going on in Electric GARBAGE TRUCKS with a gas turbine for battery charging if required while on the road.

WHY? Well, it turns out garbage trucks waste a lot of brakes because they stop and go all day. Virtually all the energy they use to wear the brakes out can be used to recharge batteries, making the garbage truck IDEAL for electric power. FedEx is also very interested in going electric because of all the stop and go they engage in.

Ladies and gentlemen, Fedex has a lot of delivery trucks, but there are a HUGE AMOUNT of garbage trucks in the world. The future looks bright for Electric Garbage Trucks!    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-280416145345.jpeg)   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

(https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/06/09/4a0126cf-6bcb-4a01-9b97-01ed29f405a1/resize/570xauto/ec7ed9941096f99d2f555e4dbaf091ba/mack-electric-garbage-truck.jpg)
Mack Electric Garbage Truck

Tesla co-founder gets trashy with electric garbage truck
http://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-co-founder-gets-trashy-with-electric-garbage-truck/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 08, 2016, 02:26:17 am

WHY? Well, it turns out garbage trucks waste a lot of brakes because they stop and go all day. Virtually all the energy they use to wear the brakes out can be used to recharge batteries, making the garbage truck IDEAL for electric power. FedEx is also very interested in going electric because of all the stop and go they engage in.


Local stop-n-go driving is the best application for electrics because of braking recovery, and the fact they don't put on that much daily mileage so the batteries can usually handle a day's work.

Of course, until you are charging them up with renewables, they're not too much cleaner than direct FF powered vehicles.  The power is coming from mostly from either FF thermal or Nuke thermal plants.  You have loss in transmission that causes a lot of wasted power, and you have battery replacement issues as well.

RE


We all know the regenerative braking advantages that you mentioned and the torque advantages of electric motors

But the efficiency and relatively "low" carbon footprint advantage of EVs issues you mentioned have ALL been argued to death and found to be incorrect.

I am not going to beat this dog to death with you again. The point is that the efficiencies of a centralized power plant (between 50 and 65%) far exceed that of localized power plant (i.e. a fossil fuel powered garbage truck at 18%), even with the power line transmission losses figured in because the efficiency of an electric motor is over 90%.

You always forget that when these subjects are broached.  I get it. You need to have the electric be squeaky clean before you will justify the total replacement of the CRAP we now have doing our deliveries and picking up our garbage.

I am not a purist. I KNOW going electric for deliveries and garbage trucks and semis will reduce the carbon footprint THROUGHOUT the energy use infrastructure daisy chain. You don't agree. I can do nothing further to convince you otherwise.  :( 

We've been down this road and round and round since 2012 with your initial claim that solar ain't no good because a breeder solar plant has not been built that uses ONLY solar to build solar panels.

I am DONE arguing that point with you. Humanity has never done anything all or nothing. All these excuses to delay implementation of Common F'n Sense Renewable Energy are NOT founded  on sound thermodynamics. You think they are. We will always disagree.

Have a nice day
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 08, 2016, 04:13:27 pm
I am not going to beat this dog to death with you again. The point is that the efficiencies of a centralized power plant (between 50 and 65%) far exceed that of localized power plant (i.e. a fossil fuel powered garbage truck at 18%), even with the power line transmission losses figured in because the efficiency of an electric motor is over 90%.
Cummins has a new Turbo-Diesel that has a 55% efficiency.  So that's around the same as a centralized power plant.  Then you have to figure in your line loss and 10% off for the electric motor.  It's kind of a tossup until there is more power generated from wind and solar.  Then electric wins hands down.
Not so fast... all of you'ns mustn't forget, Diesel designed his motor to run on PURE VEGETABLE OIL.  Now, the modern diesel engine has been modified so that the vegetable oil needs to be reacted with alcohol and lye to make biodiesel, but still, diesel trucks are a good solution for occasional bulk transport -- electric trains being the better solution for regular bulk transport, and barges being the best where possible.  Of course, eliminating the need for bulk transport is the ultimate solution.

Oh, and for freight transport, "miles-per-gallon" is basically meaningless.  What matters is "ton-miles-per-gallon".  Just like with people transport, it's "passenger-miles-per-gallon"; I routinely get over 65 passenger miles per gallon in my SUV.


 :emthup: Well said.

It's too bad the fossil fuel industry didn't get the memo on what diesel engines were originally designed to run on.  You should have mentioned the fact that diesel suffers from a horrendous level of incomplete combustion, regardless of the "efficiency" math peddled out there. CNG has negligible incomplete combustion compared with diesel. And ALL the numbers for gasoline EXCLUDE it's high level of incomplete combustion versus ethanol. So the published DATA is slanted towards fossil fuel wishful thinking BULLSHIT.

The main issue here is that demand destruction for a significant NON-optional fossil fuel refinery product percentage (liquid fuels = over 50%) is a death sentence for the fossil fuel industry as it now stands. RE does NOT want to accept or face that reality. Plastics, pesticides and pharmaceutical fossil fuel feed stock add up to PEANUTS in the refinery output percentage.

If the fossil fuel industry product line is limited to lubricants, as Rockefeller mostly was before automobiles, they become a niche industry, not the government buying, war profiteering, world class pollution maniacs that that they now are. Even before cars, Rockefeller would NOT have made all the money he did if alcohol fuels hadn't been severely taxed beginning right after the civil war. THAT is why Europe kept using alcohol fuels for several decades AFTER we had switched from alcohol (we used THAT MORE THAN WHALE OIL!) to kerosene for lamps (all this was before electricity and cars).

Rockefeller wasn't the only robber baron, but God Damnit!, I am sick of people who claim they understand energy history to pretend that there is no relationship between Rockefeller BUYING the U.S. Congress and the contrived tax on alcohol that made Rockefeller the richest bastard on Earth.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/57/23/05/57230549c67154a8e6580bfd60880a23.jpg)

But it's useless to try to convince Palloy the hairsplitter extraordinaire or RE of that. RE just likes a good fight. I'm not playing.

So, I won't waste any more time arguing the diesel versus CNG efficiency benefits. Right now, there is a diesel set up that, like the CNG set up, recharges batteries in an electric drive train for trucks.

But it's a waste of time to try to get people who think fossil fuels are the be all, end all of energy sources to be objective about this.

So, until we are DONE using fossil fuel CRAP in our infrastructure, all I can say is that ANY reduction in the use of that CRAP is a good thing.    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191456.bmp)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 13, 2016, 07:41:23 pm
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July 13, 2016

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]manager magazine

“Musk counters Federal Motor Transport Authority”


Tesla CEO Elon Musk defended the company’s autopilot system after the German Federal Motor Transport Authority said it would not have approved the beta-phase of Tesla's autopilot, according to manager magazin.

There was a “misunderstanding of what 'beta' means to Tesla for Autopilot” read a tweet by Musk. By declaring the software “beta”, Tesl a meant the system had less than 1.6 billion kilometres of real-world driving. 

“Use of word 'beta' is explicitly so that drivers don't get comfortable. It is not beta software in the standard sense,” wrote Musk on Twitter.

European approval for the autopilot system was gained in the Netherlands.

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 27, 2016, 09:23:54 pm
Porsche creates more than 1,400 new jobs to develop first all-electric sports car

German sports cars manufacturer Porsche AG plans to recruit more than 1,400 new employees in the Stuttgart region to develop and produce the ‘Mission E’, the company’s first all-electric sports car.

"We are in direct competition with other automakers and suppliers and IT firms in our global search for talented experts,” said Andreas Haffner, member of the Porsche AG Executive Board, according to a press re lease.

In a “war for talents”, Porsche seeks experts in the fields of digitalisation, e-mobility, smart mobility and vehicle connectivity, production planners familiar with Factory 4.0 and digital production and IT specialists. In total, the sports car manufacturer employed 26,200 people at the end of June 2016.

Porsche plans for the ‘Mission E’ to go into production in Zuffenhausen, Germany at the end of the decade.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/company/porsche-employer-brand-new-employees-job-stuttgart-missione-12745.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 28, 2016, 06:56:34 pm
Porsche creates more than 1,400 new jobs to develop first all-electric sports car

German sports cars manufacturer Porsche AG plans to recruit more than 1,400 new employees in the Stuttgart region to develop and produce the ‘Mission E’, the company’s first all-electric sports car.

"We are in direct competition with other automakers and suppliers and IT firms in our global search for talented experts,” said Andreas Haffner, member of the Porsche AG Executive Board, according to a press re lease.

In a “war for talents”, Porsche seeks experts in the fields of digitalisation, e-mobility, smart mobility and vehicle connectivity, production planners familiar with Factory 4.0 and digital production and IT specialists. In total, the sports car manufacturer employed 26,200 people at the end of June 2016.

Porsche plans for the ‘Mission E’ to go into production in Zuffenhausen, Germany at the end of the decade.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/company/porsche-employer-brand-new-employees-job-stuttgart-missione-12745.html (https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/company/porsche-employer-brand-new-employees-job-stuttgart-missione-12745.html)


I can't wait to see the 1st gen. iteration from these techies... WOWzer

Yep. Porsche paid attention when Musk made a successful (AND game changing attack on polluting internal combustion engine cars) multibillion dollar car EV corporation from a hot EV sports car.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Tesla_Roadster_Japanese_display.jpg)
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/maniac.gif)  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)

But really, a sports car was the most logical choice for an EV success story.

WHY? Because sports cars are about SPEED, with little or no regard for cost. Although the fossil fuelers hyperventilate every time the following thermodynamic truth is brought up, the FACT is that no internal combustion powered car can accelerate faster than an EV with the equivalent engine power. The reason for that is that electric motors have nearly instant torque delivery, as well as being 90% efficient in converting electricity to motion (compared to about 18% for internal combustion crap).

The formula one type EVs are not allowed to race internal combustion powered formula one cars simply because the formula one EV blows them away. So, the EVs have to race with other EVs.

But the point is that when you are talking about SPEED, EVs are IT.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/digitaltrends-uploads-prod/2013/12/2.-The-new-car-livery-for-the-Mahindra-Racing-Formula-E-Team.jpg)
(http://cdn-1.motorsport.com/static/img/amp/700000/730000/737000/737700/737701/s6_1464240/formula-e-jaguar-annoucement-2015-jaguar-formula-e.jpg)
Formula E  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 28, 2016, 08:58:24 pm
July 27, 2016


Transport

Daimler / Süddeutsche Zeitung

(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Mercedes-Benz-Urban-eTruck-2.jpg)
Mercedes Benz Urban eTruck

“The time has come”

German car manufacturer Daimler has presented its first prototype for an electric transporter. The 26-tonne truck will have a range of 200 km on one battery charge and is envisaged to be used to transport goods into city centers. Daimler wants to start producing the “Urban eTruck” on a large scale by the beginning of the next decade, write Thomas Fromm and Max Hägler for Süddeutsche Zeitung.

Mercedes-Benz Urban eTruck enables fully electric transport for the first time ever with an admissible total weight of 26 tonnes

·Ranges of up to 200 kilometres, load capacity comparable with diesel drive

·Series production for urban short-radius distribution conceivable at the beginning of the next decade

·Fuso Canter E-Cell: fully electric drive of Daimler Trucks in a light distribution truck (6 tonnes) already undergoing customer trials


·Dr Wolfgang Bernhard: "Electric drive systems previously only saw extremely limited use in trucks. Nowadays costs, performance and charging times develop further so rapidly that now there is a trend reversal in the distribution sector: the time is ripe for the electric truck. (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif) In light distribution trucks, our Fuso Canter E-Cell has already been undergoing intensive customer trials since 2014. And with the Mercedes-Benz Urban eTruck, we are now electrifying the heavy distribution segment up to 26 tonnes. We intend to establish electric driving as systematically as autonomous and connected driving."

July 27, 2016

Stuttgart
The world’s most successful truck manufacturer Daimler Trucks is presenting the Mercedes-Benz Urban eTruck in Stuttgart today, as the first fully electric truck with an admissible total weight of up to 26 tonnes. This means that in the future, heavy trucks will take part in urban distribution operations with zero local emissions and hardly a whisper. The market launch of this technology is conceivable for Daimler Trucks at the beginning of the next decade. In the light distribution sector, Daimler Trucks has already been impressively demonstrating the day-to-day suitability of the fully electric truck in customer trials with the Fuso Canter E-Cell since 2014. The development of electric trucks and series production maturity are fixed parts of the strategy of Daimler Trucks to build on our technological leadership. For this purpose a considerable part of the future investments by the truck division in the fields of research and development flow in the further development of the full electric drive.

"Electric drive systems previously only saw extremely limited use in trucks. Nowadays costs, performance and charging times develop further so rapidly that now there is a trend reversal in the distribution sector: the time is ripe for the electric truck. In light distribution trucks, our Fuso Canter E-Cell has already been undergoing intensive customer trials since 2014. And with the Mercedes-Benz Urban eTruck, we are now electrifying the heavy distribution segment up to 26 tonnes. We intend to establish electric driving as systematically as autonomous and connected driving," says Dr Wolfgang Bernhard, responsible for Daimler Trucks & Buses at the Board of Management.

Growing urbanisation requires fully electric trucks

Better air quality, lower noise and restricted-access zones are now important keywords in large metropolises worldwide, because more and more people worldwide are moving to cities. 2008 was the first year in which more people lived in cities than in the countryside. The trend is continuing: The UN predicts a global population of nine billion people by 2050, with approximately 70 percent of them living in cities. In future, it will be necessary to transport goods in urban environments for increasing numbers of people – and with the lowest possible emissions and noise. By now large cities such as London or Paris are considering a ban on internal combustion engines in city centres in the future. That means: there will be fully electric trucks ensuring the supply of humas with food or other goods of daily needs.

Fast enhancement of battery capacity while significantly lower costs

Until quite recently, the use of fully electric drives systems in trucks seemed to be unimaginable – especially because of the high costs of the batteries coupled with a low range. The technology has now become much more mature. In particular battery cells rapidly developing further. Daimler Trucks

expects the costs of batteries to lower by the factor 2.5 between 1997 and 2025 – from 500 Euro/kWh down to 200 Euro/kWh. At the same time, performance will improve by the same factor over the same period – from 80 Wh/kg up to 200 Wh/kg.

Stefan Buchner, Head of Mercedes-Benz Trucks: "With the Mercedes-Benz Urban eTruck, we are underlining our intention to systematically developing the electric drive in trucks to series production maturity. This means that we will begin to integrate customers, so as to gain valuable joint experience with respect to the operating ranges and the charging infrastructure in daily transport operations. Because we think the entry of this technology into the series production is already conceivable at the beginning of the next decade."

Innovative battery technology for Urban e Truck

Technically the Mercedes-Benz Urban eTruck is based on a heavy-duty, three-axle short-radius Mercedes-Benz distribution truck. In addition, however, the developers at Daimler Trucks have totally revised the drive concept: The entire conventional drivetrain being replaced by a new electrically driven rear axle with electric motors directly adjacent to the wheel hubs – derived from the electric rear axle which was developed for the Mercedes-Benz Citaro hybrid bus. The power is supplied by a battery pack consisting of three lithium-ion battery modules. This results in a range of up to 200 km – enough for a typical daily delivery tour. Thanks to the integrated concept with motors adjacent to the wheel hubs, the batteries are housed in a crash-proof location inside the frame.

As the EU Commission is in favour of increasing the permissible gross vehicle weight of trucks with alternative drives by up to one tonne, this will more or less level out the weight surplus of the electric drive. This will raise the permissible gross vehicle weight of the Urban e Truck from 25 to 26 tonnes, which will bring the original extra weight down to 700 kg compared with a directly comparable IC-engined truck.

Fuso Canter E-Cell: all-electric drive in customer operation since 2014

Where light-duty trucks are concerned, all-electric drive is already a reality. This is demonstrated by the Fuso Canter E-Cell. Fuso already presented the first generation of the fully electrically powered Canter in 2010. In 2014 this was followed by the second generation, which proved its worth in the first fleet trials in Portugal. With ranges of over 100 kilometres, the vehicles exceeded the average daily distance covered by many trucks in light-duty short-radius distribution. Under widely varying operating conditions, the trucks covered more than 50,000 km within one year. In the process the vehicless were locally emission-free and, taking power generation into account, reduced CO2 emissions by 37 percent compared to diesel engines. The operating costs were 64 percent lower on average.

Marc Llistosella, Head of Daimler Trucks Asia and President & CEO of Mitsubishi Fuso Trucks and Bus Cooperation (MFTBC): "The current generation Canter E-Cell offers our customers transport services which are not only environment-friendly, but also economical. Our test in Lisbon revealed respectable savings of around 1000 euros per 10,000 kilometres in comparison to diesel trucks."

"We at Fuso have now acquired extensive experience in the development of local emission-free commercial vehicles und we will consequently pursue this development also in future. At the Commercial Vehicles show IAA in September, will will take a step further towards series production with our next generation under the new name: Fuso eCanter,” continues Llistosella.

Current fleet trials with the Fuso Canter E-Cell in Germany

Since April 2016 the city of Stuttgart and the parcel service provider Hermes are testing five Fuso Cater E-Cell in Germany. Especially the using in the topographically very demanding environment in urban Stuttgart provides important insights for Daimler Trucks from the customer operation with regard to the further development of the fully electric drive. First results from this customer trial are expected at the beginning of 2017.

Dirk Rahn, Managing Director Operations at Hermes Germany underlined during the today’s event: "We are very proud of our successful cooperation with Daimler in the development of relevant future technologies for many years. Also regarding the current project, we accepted with pleasure the invention of Daimler to actively support the testing of the Fuso Canter E-Cell out of our logistical everyday life. Thereby, the results of our trest run are extremely positive! With regard to the growing requirements in city logistics we are now looking forward to test further vehicle classes and to bring them to market maturity soon.

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 02, 2016, 12:30:50 am
https://youtu.be/m7REQyK3KlI
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SNIPPET:

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Yesterday they drove it down the longest and straightest bit of real estate this side of the Bonneville Salt Flats, the runway at the Space Shuttle Landing Facility at Cape Canaveral. They then proceeded to break the land speed record for electric cars, 205.6 mph. There’s no autopilot driving this either, but a live driver from Johnny Bohmer Racing.


The GXE set the previous land speed record in March; TreeHugger asked what was different this time, and was told by CEO Andrew Saul:

We made major improvements to the vehicle based on the data they got in the first trip. tweaking the software and the inverters, the most advanced in the world, and we are pushing them to the limit, very sophisticated software and firmware. the benefit is that we sharing this data with [inverter maker] Reinhart so that everyone can use it.


And why a Corvette? ???

We’re focusing now on an American icon, outfitting the Corvettes so that they can be sold to the public. The goal is to make this tech more economical and affordable for the mass market.

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/genovation-gxe-breaks-land-speed-record-electric-cars-2056-mph.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 15, 2016, 01:17:59 am
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Wirtschafts Woche

VW sees China as leading market for E-cars

Volkswagen AG is increasing its electric vehicle offerings and is looking to become the leader in China’s fast-growing e-car segment, Herbert Diess, VW’s passenger car brand chairman, said in an interview with Rebecca Eisert and Franz Rother in WirtschaftsWoche.

Rejecting claims that VW was lagging behind in e-mobility, Diess said VW currently offers five electric models and had sold some 100,000 e-cars worldwide to date    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png).

The automaker has become the biggest seller in Norway, the world’s most developed electric car market, and it is looking to lead in China, which it expects to become the leading e-car market, Diess said.

VW will unveil a new concept car in the coming weeks and introduce more e-cars by 2020.

http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/auto/vw-markenchef-herr-diess-in-welcher-verfassung-ist-vw/13995592.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 16, 2016, 06:14:53 pm
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Wirtschafts Woche

VW sees China as leading market for E-cars

Volkswagen AG is increasing its electric vehicle offerings and is looking to become the leader in China’s fast-growing e-car segment, Herbert Diess, VW’s passenger car brand chairman, said in an interview with Rebecca Eisert and Franz Rother in WirtschaftsWoche.

Rejecting claims that VW was lagging behind in e-mobility, Diess said VW currently offers five electric models and had sold some 100,000 e-cars worldwide to date    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png).

The automaker has become the biggest seller in Norway, the world’s most developed electric car market, and it is looking to lead in China, which it expects to become the leading e-car market, Diess said
.

VW will unveil a new concept car in the coming weeks and introduce more e-cars by 2020.

http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/auto/vw-markenchef-herr-diess-in-welcher-verfassung-ist-vw/13995592.html (http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/auto/vw-markenchef-herr-diess-in-welcher-verfassung-ist-vw/13995592.html)


Thanks for the update AG...
By chance have you heard from the Porsche side of the family tree about
their 1st Fully Electric Hot Rod, the Mission E.

https://youtu.be/R99v0fnmHMk


Published on May 29, 2016


In presenting the Mission E at the IAA in Frankfurt, Porsche is introducing the first all-electrically powered four-seat sports car in the brand's history. The concept car combines the unmistakable emotional design of a Porsche with excellent performance and the forward-thinking practicality of the first 800-volt drive system.

Key specification data of this fascinating sports car: four doors and four single seats, over 600 hp (440 kW) system power and over 500 km driving range. All-wheel drive and all-wheel steering, zero to 100 km/h acceleration in under 3.5 seconds and a charging time of around 15 minutes to reach an 80 per cent charge of electrical energy. Instruments are intuitively operated by eye-tracking and gesture control, some even via holograms – highly oriented toward the driver by automatically adjusting the displays to the driver's position.

Competitors are the #Tesla Model S, Mercedes E-Class, Mercedes S-Class, Mercedes GLE, Mercedes, Mercedes GL, Mercedes G, #BMW 5 Series, BMW 7 Series, BMW 6 Series, BMW X5, BMW #i8, BMW #i3, #Audi A6, Audi A7, Audi A8, Audi Q5, Audi Q6, Audi Q7, Audi #Etron, Audi electric SUV, #Volvo XC60, Volvo XC90, #Lexus LS450h, Lexus GS, Lexus LX, #Infiniti Q70, Infiniti QX70, #Acura RL, Acura RLX, #Jaguar XF, Jaguar XJ, Jaguar F-Pace, Jaguar XE, #Cadillac CTS, Cadillac ELR, cadillac CT6, #Genesis, #AstonMartin, #Porsche #Panamera, #Lincoln #MKS, Lincoln #MKC, Lincoln MKZ, #LandRover Discovery Sport, #LandRover Discovery, Range Rover Sport, Range Rover, #Chevrolet Volt, Chevy #Volt, Nissan #Leaf, Kia #Soul EV, #Honda Fit EV, Chevrolet #Spark EV, Chevy Spark EV, Chevy #Bolt, Chevrolet Bolt, Toyota #RAV4 EV. Drive system: over 600 hp with technologies from endurance racing

The drive system of the Mission E is entirely new, yet it is typical Porsche, i.e. proven in motor racing. Two permanent magnet synchronous motors (PMSM) – similar to those used in this year's Le Mans victor, the 919 hybrid – accelerate the sports car and recover braking energy. The best proof of a Porsche is 24 hours of top racing performance and a 1-2 finish. Together the two motors produce over 600 hp, and they propel the Mission E to a speed of 100 km/h in less than 3.5 seconds and to 200 km/h in under twelve seconds.

In addition to their high efficiency, power density and uniform power development, they offer another advantage: unlike today's electric drive systems, they can develop their full power even after multiple accelerations at short intervals.

The need-based all-wheel drive system with Porsche Torque Vectoring – which automatically distributes torque to the individual wheels – transfers the drive system's power to the road, and all-wheel steering gives precise, sporty steering in the desired direction.

This makes the Mission E fit for the circuit race track; its lap time on the Nürburgring Nordschleife is under the eight-minute mark.



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Porsche Mission E
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 16, 2016, 08:33:48 pm
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EVs Can Meet Most Daily Travel Needs

Relying on a single charge, today’s electric vehicles could replace 87 percent of daily car travel in the United States and cut gasoline consumption by 60 percent. Using the 2013 Nissan Leaf as the base for their calculations, researchers at MIT analyzed driving patterns and battery capacity and found that “range anxiety” -- fear that a car’s battery will die without timely access to a charging station -- is overblown.  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)


If battery technology improves as expected, electric vehicles could replace 98 percent of existing vehicles by 2020.  (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)


https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602174/why-range-anxiety-for-electric-cars-is-overblown/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 19, 2016, 10:15:10 pm
Deutsche Post DHL Group pushes e-mobility – 2,000 electric vans until end of the year – carbon free parcel delivery now also in Bochum

8/17/16, 2:00 PM - 

With 1,000 electric vans Deutsche Post DHL already operates the biggest electric fleet in Germany. Now in Bochum carbon-free parcel delivery was started with 24 electric StreetScooters, that are manufactured by the logistic company itself.

 
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24 electric vans are delivering parcels in downtown Bochum. Until the end of the year Deutsche Post DHL Group will operate 2,000 StreetScooters. © Deutsche Post DHL Group

Deutsche Post DHL Group has started carbon-free parcel delivery (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif) in Bochum, Germany, beginning with the deployment of 24 new StreetScooters. These electric vehicles are produced by a Group subsidiary in Aachen, Germany and custom-built according to the specific requirements of parcel delivery personnel. While carbon-free parcel delivery in Bochum is initially limited to the city center, StreetScooters will be deployed to other parts of the city as well by the end of the year. A total of 65 vehicles are expected to reduce annual carbon emissions by some 195 tonnes. They are all powered by 100 percent renewable electrictiy. In 2017 Deutsche Post DHL Group will expand its carbon-free parcel delivery to all of Bochum.

2,000 StreetScooters by the end of this year

“Along with speed and flexibility, environmental protection is a major focus area when it comes to parcel delivery. Our StreetScooters allow us to provide parcel delivery that is quieter and more environmentally friendly and thus more responsive to the interests of customers and local residents. We’ll start in Bochum and then expand to other cities as well. By the end of the year we plan to deploy over 2,000 StreetScooters –the largest e-mobility project thus far in Germany,” says Jürgen Gerdes, CEO of the Post e-Commerce -Parcel division at Deutsche Post DHL Group.

Streetscooters developed and produced in Aachen
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Screenshot from Project movie StreetScooter Aachen

State Minister of Economic Affairs Garrelt Duin: “I am pleased about this initiative for three very good reasons. First it demonstrates that an NRW-based company –Deutsche Post DHL Group –is driving innovation in the area of electro-mobility and sustainable logistics. Second, carbon-free delivery is an important contributor to cleaner cities –today in Bochum and tomorrow in other cities as well. And third, this is all made possible with the StreetScooter, a vehicle developed and producted in Aachen.”
A more climate friendly city (http://www.bativert.ma/images/image3.jpg)

Thomas Eiskirch, mayor of Bochum: “I am very pleased that Deutsche Post DHL Group will be providing carbon-free parcel delivery in Bochum. This makes Bochum the largest city in Germany in which every DHL parcel will be delivered carbon free via electro-mobility. The gradual transition from diesel vehicles to electric vehicles supports us in our transition to a becoming a more climate-friendly and overall environmentally-friendly city. Soon Bochum can boast one of the largest Streetscooter fleets in Germany. Bochum is the city for putting innovative ideas into practice.”

37 charging stations in Bochum

After charging overnight at Deutsche Post DHL Group delivery bases in Bochum the StreetScooters will be loaded with parcels in the morning before departing on their daily delivery routes. By late afternoon the electric vehicles will return to their bases, where they will be charged for the next day using green electricity. In the project’s initial phase Deutsche Post DHL Group will install a total of 37 charging stations in Bochum.

Since November 2015, Deutsche Post DHL Group has also offered its GOGREEN business customers in the Ruhr region the chance to support the use of electric vehicles throughout the region. This now applies to Bochum as well: the more customers choose Deutsche Post DHL Group’s GOGREEN services to send their items, the greater the Group’s the investment in electro-mobility for regional delivery. (HCN)

Related news:


http://www.pveurope.eu/News/E-Mobility/Electric-Vehicles-To-Be-35-Per-Cent-Of-Global-New-Car-Sales-by-2040

http://www.pveurope.eu/News/E-Mobility/France-paves-way-to-tomorrow-s-energy-with-solar-road-panels

http://www.pveurope.eu/News/E-Mobility/European-Commission-s-shift-to-electrified-transport-on-the-right-track-says-Platform-for-Electro-Mobility

http://www.pveurope.eu/News/E-Mobility/Andreas-Piepenbrink-of-E3-DC-predicts-dramatic-price-decline-in-energy-storage-down-to-five-kilowatt-hours-for-1-600-euros

http://www.pveurope.eu/News/E-Mobility/Deutsche-Post-DHL-Group-pushes-e-mobility-2-000-electric-vans-until-end-of-the-year-carbon-free-parcel-delivery-now-also-in-Bochum
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 24, 2016, 08:35:24 pm
Technology News | Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:41pm EDT

Tesla touts speed and driving range with new upgraded battery
 
By Alexandria Sage and David Shepardson | SAN FRANCISCO/WASHINGTON

Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA.O) crowned itself the maker of the world's fastest production car on Tuesday, saying a new version of its Model S all-electric sedan can accelerate from 0-60 miles per hour in just 2-1/2 seconds.  :o  ;D

Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk said the company will offer a larger upgraded battery pack for performance versions of its Model S and X vehicles that will extend range, while also allowing for super fast acceleration.

Tesla has long laid claim to bragging rights in the highly competitive luxury car market. But Tuesday's news is unlikely to change the equation on a host of challenges the company faces, from production and finances to regulation.

The new 100 kilowatt hour battery pack means the high-end version of the Model S sedan, called the P100D, will be the world's fastest accelerating car in production, the Silicon Valley automaker said. The new battery pack is also available for the performance version of the Model X sport utility vehicle.

The Model X is already the quickest SUV ever, Tesla said. But with the 100 kWh battery pack, it said the Model X P100D -- as the new performance model is known -- will now accelerate from 0-60 mph (0-97 kph) in 2.9 seconds.

The new battery also extends the driving range of the vehicles, taking the performance version of the new Model S beyond 300 miles (482.8 km)   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp), Tesla said.


Musk said that meant a driver could now travel from San Francisco to Los Angeles in temperate weather without recharging.

"These are very profound milestones and I think will help convince people around the world that electric is the future," said Musk on a conference call with journalists.

After rising more than 2 percent before Tuesday's announcement, Tesla shares pared gains to end the day at $224.84, up less than 1 percent.

Tesla said owners who had ordered a so-called Model S P90D Ludicrous but had not yet taken delivery could upgrade to the 100 kWh pack for $10,000, while existing owners can upgrade for $20,000 because the old pack must be recycled.
 
The electric car maker is laying the groundwork for a controversial buyout of SolarCity Corp (SCTY.O), while it also prepares for next year's launch of its high profile Model 3 mass-market vehicle.

SolarCity agreed to Tesla's $2.6 billion offer to buy the solar panel installer earlier this month, clearing one obstacle toward Musk's ambitious goal of creating a carbon-free energy and transportation company.

A filing on Tuesday showed that Musk is buying over half of a $124 million bond offer by SolarCity. It appeared to be the first time the billionaire entrepreneur has directly purchased the so-called "solar bonds" although SpaceX, his rocket and space transport services company, has bought them in the past.
 
In May, Tesla said it was stepping up production plans for its upcoming Model 3 mass-market sedan and would build a total of 500,000 all-electric vehicles in 2018, two years ahead of schedule, but it warned that spending will ramp up as well.

Model S and X vehicles with the upgraded batteries will help fund the more affordable Model 3 still in development, Musk said. The performance versions of the S and X without the new battery currently start at $108,000 and $115,500, respectively.

"Of course this is an expensive car. But it's very important to bear in mind that is what it's paying for, the Model 3," Musk said.

Tesla has been under investigation from U.S. safety regulators following a fatal crash in Florida earlier this year involving its drive-assistance feature known as Autopilot.

In his comments to reporters, Musk said a software update of the feature is nearing completion, adding that it will result in "material improvements in the autonomy of the car."

Tesla acknowledged that the LaFerrari and Porsche 918 Spyder with gasoline engines were faster than its new high-end S and X models. But Musk said those were both million-dollar, two-seater specialty cars that cannot be purchased new today.


(Reporting by Alexandria Sage and David Shepardson; Additional reporting by Noel Randewich; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama and Tom Brown)


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-product-idUSKCN10Y1R2
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 29, 2016, 02:45:58 pm
If Tesla Model 3 Delivers, “Gas Vehicles Are History,” Gasoline & Automotive Services Dealers Of America Exec Says

August 29th, 2016 by Zachary Shahan

SNIPPET:  ;D

No doubt about it, many of us EV enthusiasts have been blown away by the Tesla Model 3 and believe it’s the car that is really going to break the gasoline auto industry’s back. But we’re just EV enthusiasts, right? Treehuggers, tech heads, climate alarmists, and people obsessed with breathing clean air — that’s who we are, right?

Okay, we can throw in gearheads now too, since electric cars absolutely crush gasmobiles in acceleration and many a gearhead is now in love with them. And I guess we can throw in anybody who loves scaring the crap out of their passengers as they skillfully effortlessly step on the pedal without notice and with full force.

But, again, this is still just a niche portion of society. Maybe we’re all just crazy enthusiasts and don’t have a clue what the mass market wants.

In a new Wall Street Journal article, however, a striking quotation jumped out at CleanTechnica reader Karl Graves, who highlighted it and passed it on to me. Maybe it didn’t come from Grandma Gretchen, but it did come from the executive director of Gasoline & Automotive Services Dealers of America, Mike Fox. Here’s the beauty (which is a mix of paraphrasing from author Chris Mims and the straight words of Mike Fox):

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“If Tesla can deliver on its current promises with the Model 3, says Mr. Fox, ‘gas vehicles are history—it’s horse and buggy days.’ "

Wowza. That’s one of the most “Tesla fanboy-ish” statements I’ve seen … and it’s from the executive director of Gasoline & Automotive Services Dealers of America!

Of course, auto industry execs must already know this (otherwise, they are in extreme denial), and they must be thinking more and more that Tesla is set to deliver (http://cleantechnica.com/2016/08/29/tesla-battery-improvements-tesla-model-3-randy-carlson-dives/).
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http://cleantechnica.com/2016/08/29/tesla-model-3-delivers-gas-vehicles-history-gasoline-automotive-services-dealers-america-exec-says/

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 13, 2016, 04:59:27 pm
The 'Tesla of buses' just made a big move to eliminate diesel buses forever  ;D

Danielle Muoio

 
 Sep. 12, 2016, 12:24 PM 

 
 
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Chances are, you haven't heard of Proterra.

The Silicon Valley-based start-up has one focus: to eliminate the need for a diesel bus, forever. It's something the company has been working quietly on since 2004, and has made moderate progress since. It sold its first three, all-electric buses in 2009, ramping up sales marginally throughout the years since. 

Proterra started hitting its stride a bit in 2015 when it sold 62 buses across 12 different transit agencies. But with a nominal range of 146 miles, a mark below many electric cars, widespread adoption hasn't been feasible.

"The first generation of the long-range vehicles we brought out wasn’t good enough for the market," Matt Horton, Proterra's vice president of sales, told Business Insider. "It just couldn’t do all of the routes out there, and frankly, there aren’t any electric buses out there that can today."

But Proterra unveiled a new version of its bus Monday it says is finally good enough for the market: a newly designed all-electric bus that can operate a route for an entire 18 hours — the same as a diesel bus.

Challenging Tesla's range

Proterra's Catalyst E2 is 40-foot long bus with a range of 350 miles under typical test track conditions. That's a big deal, considering Tesla only recently announced a battery upgrade for its Model S and Model X Ludicrous options that can achieve 315 miles of range — making it the first electric car on the market to exceed 300 miles of range.

To get that kind of range, Proterra worked on improving its battery tech and designing a bus that can accommodate the extra weight put on batteries for two-and-a-half years. 

"If you take a traditional steel bus and just start dumping batteries on it, that bus is going to get really heavy really quick," Horton said of the decision to design a new bus entirely from scratch.

The new bus body is made of a carbon fiber composite, allowing it to remain lightweight, but durable. Proterra, which makes its own batteries in its Silicon Valley office, improved energy storage and put most of the batteries "underneath the body of the bus so it helps us keep it very, very low center of gravity," Horton explained.

That innovation has resulted in a bus that fits 77 passengers and can pack 660 kWh of energy to drive 350 miles on a single charge. On a closed track, which doesn't mimick the difficulty of urban driving, a Proterra bus with just a 440 kWh battery achieved 600 miles on a single charge.

But ranges are tricky to talk about, especially when it comes to buses, because range is affected by a variety of factors like constant braking, temperature, and the twists and turns of city streets. That's why Horton is sure to note that a 600-mile range isn't achievable in a route setting. However, the battery tech is good enough for the bus to run the full 18 hours transit operators need, the compamny said. 

At night, the bus can get topped up using a typical charging station.

 
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Replacing all diesel buses

The Proterra bus will be fully functional soon, with the first deliveries arriving in Foothill Transit in California in early 2017.

Horton said the start-up has customers in 15 states across the country and that it's pre-sold over 300 buses to-date. By the end of 2017, all of the buses will be fully operational.

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"This is the first time that an electric vehicle has been brought to market that, on a truly no compromise basis, is going to replace all the fossil fuel vehicles in its category ",   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)
Horton said.
 

SEE ALSO: http://www.businessinsider.com/nikola-motor-reveals-hydrogen-truck-plans-2016-8 »

http://www.businessinsider.com/proterra-unveils-electric-bus-with-350-mile-range-2016-9
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 16, 2016, 01:58:06 pm
Sep. 16, 2016 08:30AM EST

General Motors Commits to Run on 100% Renewables by 2050

By Climate Nexus

General Motors committed to power its operations in 59 countries with 100 percent renewable energy by 2050.

The Detroit-based carmaker, whose total electricity demand for operations was nine terawatt hours last year, said it saves $5 million annually from renewable energy use. Earlier this week, GM revealed that its 2017 Chevy Bolt EV has a range of 238 miles per charge, outpacing Tesla's Model 3 by 10 percent.

http://www.ecowatch.com/general-motors-renewable-energy-2006512643.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 21, 2016, 09:02:31 pm
Tue Sep 20, 2016 | 8:48am EDT

Poland aims to have 1 million electric cars on its roads by 2025

Poland aims to have 1 million electric cars on its roads by 2025 as it seeks to cut carbon emissions from transport and will offer tax and other incentives, the energy ministry said on Tuesday.

The country is one of the biggest polluters in Europe as it has maintained coal-fuelled power stations as its major source of energy. Some Polish towns, especially in the south, also choke in smog due to traffic fumes and coal burning in homes.

"The project will contribute to improving the environment in our country," deputy energy minister Michal Kurtyka told a news conference.

The ministry said that by 2018 it wants to introduce new laws that would regulate the development of electric cars, launch special funds to help start production and create the prototypes of Polish electric cars.

Last week Poland's four biggest power producers - PGE, Tauron, Enea and Energa - said they plan to set up a company, ElectroMobilityPoland, to promote the use of electric cars although it is unclear whether they would actually make the cars.
 
"We would like this technological breakthrough to take place to the advantage of Polish entrepreneurs," Kurtyka said.

There are few electric cars in use in Poland currently. To promote their use the energy ministry said it planned to introduce tax relief for electric car owners as well as subsidies for the first 100,000 cars.
 
Germany and some other European countries have introduced electric car discount schemes to promote sales.

Poland's plan is also a response to the country's issues with power production at night. Big power stations cannot be switched off during the night, when demand is much lower than during daytime hours, so the electricity produced at night is wasted.
 
Encouraging electric cars owners to charge their vehicles at night would boost demand.

"The aim is to switch the tariffs system so that this night valley could become a source of energy for electric cars," Kurtyka said.

Poland's ruling conservative Law and Justice party promotes coal as the basic source of energy and has taken action to boost demand for coal, which it has in excess, to help its troubled mining firms.

Volkswagen, General Motors' Opel unit and Fiat all produce vehicles in Poland. (Reporting by Agnieszka Barteczko; Editing by Susan Fenton)

http://www.reuters.com/article/poland-autos-idUSL8N1BW1SU
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 23, 2016, 01:47:05 pm
Beautiful classic VW Beetle converted to 100% electric

https://youtu.be/fXsQGWWz3Is

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/beautiful-classic-vw-beetle-converted-100-electric.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on September 26, 2016, 05:41:22 pm
Volkswagen electric vehicle shown in new design sketches

Volkswagen has released new pictures of its first electric-only model ahead of its full reveal at the Paris motor show next week

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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-paris-motor-show/volkswagen-electric-vehicle-shown-new-design-sketches

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 04, 2016, 07:11:38 pm
BMW Set to Roll Out Electric Mini, X3 to Counter Mercedes Push
by
Elisabeth Behrmann


CEO Krueger says electric models will be ‘competitive’
 
While rivals stuck in ‘phase one,’ BMW entering ‘phase two’

 
September 30, 2016 — 10:11 AM EDT Updated on September 30, 2016 — 10:11 AM EDT

SNIPPET:

BMW AG will roll out the first battery-powered model of its urban Mini brand as part of a broader push to make electric cars more mainstream and counter ambitious plans from rivals.

The new Mini is set to hit the market in 2019 and will be followed in 2020 by a battery-powered version of the BMW X3 sport utility vehicle, Chief Executive Officer Harald Krueger said Friday in an interview. The variant of the popular X3 would push into the heart of BMW’s portfolio, signaling the company sees the technology as ready for the mainstream after bundling previous green-car offerings under the “i” subbrand. Both new electric models would have “competitive” driving ranges and  prices, Krueger said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-30/bmw-set-to-roll-out-electric-mini-x3-to-counter-mercedes-push
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 10, 2016, 06:28:07 pm
No Combustion-Engine Cars Sold in Germany After 2030, Parliament Says  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/za4.gif)

Dan Zukowski

On Jan. 29, 1886, Carl Benz—who had invented the first stationary gasoline engine seven years earlier—patented a "vehicle powered by a gas engine," which he had built in Mannheim, Germany. By 2030, the country may ban his invention. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)


The world's first automobile, invented in 1886. Mercedes-Benz (picture at article link)

Germany's Bundesrat, its upper house of parliament, passed a bipartisan resolution calling for a ban on sales of new vehicles powered by internal combustion engines, which includes both gasoline and diesel.

"If the Paris agreement to curb climate-warming emissions is to be taken seriously, no new combustion engine cars should be allowed on roads after 2030," weekly news magazine Der Spiegel quoted Green Party lawmaker Oliver Krischer as saying.

The shockwaves from this action, reported over the weekend, haven't quite hit the global auto industry or German manufacturers just yet. Germany has one of the largest automotive industries in the world, and it is the biggest industrial sector in Germany. Automobile manufacturing and related businesses employ 774,900 German workers and account for one-fifth of German industry revenue.

The country is also Europe's top automobile market, and U.S.-based manufacturers do big business there as well. General Motors sold 244,000 vehicles in Germany in 2015, while Ford is on track to sell 280,000 vehicles this year. The Ford Mustang is the most popular sports car in Germany. Fiat Chrysler Automobiles sold 90,000 vehicles there last year, with its U.S.-built Jeep brand growing strongly.

The company that Carl Benz started, today's Mercedes-Benz, is investing $1.1 billion in battery production and plans to launch 10 new electric vehicles (EVs) by 2025. The company says that every model series will be electrified. BMW is expanding its EV lineup, while Volkswagen—reeling from its diesel emissions scandal—announced that it plans to sell three million electric cars by 2025. At the current 2016 Paris Auto Show, virtually every major auto manufacturer is showcasing new electric or hybrid vehicles.

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The Bundesrat resolution would require only electric or hydrogen fuel cell vehicles by 2030, and Germany's action is likely to precipitate wider European Union policy.  (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

"We're ready for the launch of an electric product offensive that will cover all vehicle segments, from the compact to the luxury class," said Daimler AG Chief Executive Officer Dieter Zetsche at the opening of the Paris Auto Show in September. Daimler is the parent company of Mercedes-Benz. The company that invented the automobile now needs to reinvent itself.

http://www.ecowatch.com/germany-bans-combustion-engine-cars-2037788435.html

Agelbert NOTE: A fossil fueler (Rick Allen) weighs in with typical ad hominem mockery and derision. An intelligent commenter (Werner Rhein) takes him apart with logic and facts, as well as warning him about the consequences of clinging to the old unsustainable economic paradigm.  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6348.gif)  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)
 
Rick Allen ·(https://smileyshack.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/stupid-im-with-arrow-left.gif) Business Man at Cheese Industries
Stupid on every account.....A new book on how to kill your economy should be released soon by the German government. It will cover important topics like 1. Allow rampant immigration to occur to shortchange your citizens of jobs that pay. 2. Kill off the automobile industry. 3. Be a part of the stupid European Union.

I look forward to the revolution by your workers to revoke by force the stupid acts of your government.
Werner Rhein ·  (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg) Proprietor at Sourdough Plumbing & Hot Water Heating
I see only one stupid thing here and that is Rick Allen.  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

The same industries that build gas guzzlers will be building electric cars. Renewable alternative energy installation and maintenance employs 5 to 15 times more people per $ invested than the fossil fuel industry ever did.

Rick, you should be careful so you wouldn't be put on the guillotines.

 
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 10, 2016, 06:56:23 pm
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10 Oct 2016 | Sören Amelang
   
German states - New cars in EU should be emission-free by 2030

German federal states want to ensure that the sale of new diesel and petrol cars in the European Union ends by 2030, in order to protect the climate. The surprising cross-party initiative in the upper house of parliament (Bundesrat), which experts consider highly ambitious, adds fuel to the simmering debate about the timing of a conventional car phase-out.

In the Bundesrat resolution, Germany’s sixteen states asked the EU Commission to evaluate whether member countries’ existing tax and fee practices effectively promote emission-free mobility. The goal is that “only emission-free cars are registered in the [European] Union by 2030 at the latest.”

The Bundesrat resolution is part of the “European strategy for low-emission mobility”, an initiative the Commission started after the Paris Climate Agreement. Germany ratified the Paris Agreement in late September.

The Bundesrat voted on the resolution on 23 September. It has no immediate legislative effect. The decision passed largely unnoticed in the German media until the weekly news magazine Der Spiegel wrote about it over the weekend.

The resolution passed the Bundesrat with a majority, which means that it was supported by state governments run by Social Democrats and rival Christian Democrats alike.

Germany's shift to renewable energy ­– dubbed the Energiewende – has made significant headway in the power sector, but there has been very slow progress in transport, where CO2 emissions have stayed essentially flat over the past 25 years (For background, read the CLEW dossier The energy transition and Germany’s transport sector.) Experts hope the spread of e-cars will finally cut the sector's high and persistent emissions.


Nearly emission-free mobility by 2050  (http://www.bativert.ma/images/image3.jpg)

The Bundesrat resolution also says: “Because not all [industry] sectors can become entirely greenhouse-gas emission-free by 2050, we explicitly support the target to achieve nearly emission-free mobility within the EU by 2050.”

The head of the German car industry association (VDA), Matthias Wissmann, told Süddeutsche Zeitung neither the German government nor the EU commission asked for a ban on conventional engines by 2030. He added that the Bundesrat only addressed the issue of harmonising mobility-related taxes in the EU. "It's absurd to conclude that German states or the Bundesrat demand a ban on the combustion engine in concrete political terms."

Many experts believe emission-free mobility by 2050 is only achievable if transport is powered by renewable electricity. (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)  Because of cars’ long life spans, this implies registrations of combustion engine vehicles will have to be phased out much earlier.  ;D

State Secretary in the energy ministry, Rainer Baake has repeatedly said this year that he believes Germany must stop registering fossil-fuelled cars by 2030 because the expected serviceable life of a vehicle is around 20 years. 

Electric cars do not emit CO2 locally, but their operation is only climate-neutral if powered by renewable electricity.
Germany aims to increase the share of renewables in power consumption from around a third today to 50 percent by 2030.

The Green Party’s executive has proposed for its November party conference that from 2030, no newly registered cars should be diesel or petrol-fuelled. The party argues that a “transport transition” is also in the interest of the car industry, which “only stands a chance if it develops clean and quiet cars that no longer emit CO2.” (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png) Both Social Democrats (https://smileyshack.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/stupid-im-with-arrow-left.gif) and Conservatives (https://smileyshack.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/stupid-im-with-arrow-left.gif) criticised the motion.

Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche will be a guest speaker at the party conference and will talk about climate and transport policy, to the dismay of some party representatives.


Ambitious deadline

In a commentary on the Bundesrat resolution, Christoph Stockburger argues in Spiegel Online that an official ban on combustion engines would be a stroke of luck for the industry, because it would bring planning security. “If the end of combustion engines becomes law, the carmakers know that investments in alternative engines will definitely pay off.”

Industry experts consider the timing suggested by the Bundesrat as very ambitious. Business consultancy pwc estimates that by 2030, only around a third of all new vehicles in Europe will be fully electric. A majority of new cars will still sport a combustion engine, but most of these will be hybrid vehicles, according to pwc.

So far, the uptake of electric mobility in Germany has been very slow. E-cars’ share of new registrations remains below one percent, despite a buyers’ premium introduced in the spring.  :(

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The Norwegian government has discussed banning the sale of new internal combustion engine vehicles as early as 2025.

The German carmakers BMW, Daimler and VW all have announced plans this year to accelerate their plans on e-mobility in the past months – see the CLEW factsheets Early e-car starter BMW plans new mobility sprint, Reluctant Daimler plans “radical” push into new mobility world, and Dieselgate forces VW to embrace green mobility. Daimler and VW showcased their first prototypes developed exclusively for electric propulsion at the Paris Car Show.

Please Note: The Clean Energy Wire will publish a dossier on the prospects for German car makers in a renewable mobility future in the coming days.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/8.gif)

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https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-states-new-cars-eu-should-be-emission-free-2030
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 11, 2016, 08:41:59 pm
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tageszeitung / Federal Environment Agency (UBA)

“We need an e-car quota”  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

Germany’s Federal Environment Agency (UBA) suggests a binding quota of e-car sales for car manufacturers to ensure the transport sector contributes to climate protection. “German carmakers do not want to leave the combustion engine. In the short term, they can earn more profits with it […] but in the long term, they slumber away the future,” said Martin Schmied, head of transport at the Federal Environment Agency (UBA), in an interview with tageszeitung.

“It’s good that we now talk about the end of the combustion engine, but this discussion must translate into actions in the short term.The UBA provides federal bodies such as the Ministry of the Environment with policy advice.

http://www.taz.de/%215343572/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 14, 2016, 06:45:35 pm
Investors Tell Auto Industry to Move to Low Carbon—or Else   (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6869.gif)
 

Posted on Oct 13, 2016

By Terry Macalister / Climate News Network

The traditional car industry has gradually been increasing its output of pure electric and hybrid diesel/electric models, but in small numbers. (Windell Oskay via Flickr) (picture at article link)

LONDON—Major investors have warned the automotive industry it needs to accelerate its readiness for a low-carbon world if it is to retain their support and prosper.

Vehicle makers must put climate change specialists on their boards, engage better with policy-makers, and invest more heavily in low-emission cars, says a network of 250 global investors with assets of more than $24trillion.

The demands come in a new report, Investor Expectations of Automotive Companies, published this week by the Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change (IIGCC).

“Long-term investors want to ensure that automotive companies are prepared for the challenges stemming from climate change, new technologies, changing policies and shifts in demand caused by global trends,” says Dr Hans-Christoph Hirt, co-head of investment house Hermes EOS, a member of the IGCC.
 
“Investors expect the industry to embark upon a smoother route to future prosperity by developing and implementing long-term business strategies that are resilient to climate change and resulting regulatory shifts.”

Sustainable returns

Chris Davis, senior programme director of the Ceres Investor Network on Climate Risk, another IIGCC member, agrees. “A growing number of institutional investors recognise that climate change will impact their holdings, portfolios, and asset values in the short and long-term,” he says.

“To achieve sustainable returns for clients and beneficiaries, investors in the automotive sector must engage to ensure companies are prepared to thrive in a carbon-constrained environment and support robust policy action sufficient to drive the transition to clean vehicles.”

The traditional car industry has gradually been increasing its output of pure electric and hybrid diesel/electric models, but in small numbers. It has failed to shrug off its image as a foot-dragger in the fight against climate change—similar to the way most big oil companies are seen.

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“Investors in the automotive sector must engage
 to ensure companies are prepared to thrive in
 a carbon-constrained environment.”

The recent Volkswagen emissions scandal, in which the German car manufacturer used “cheat devices” that underplayed pollution on its cars, has further tarnished the industry’s image over the last 12 months. And critics have long claimed that few vehicles live up to the fuel consumption levels claimed of them.

Making sure the industry has “closed the gap between real world and emissions testing” is highlighted by the IIGCC as one of the key issue that must be fixed.

But the finance houses also want car and truck makers to set more meaningful targets and metrics to reduce greenhouse gases in their own supply chain. And car companies need to engage more meaningfully with international policy-makers and their own investors on climate change.

Big investors point out that large car companies face serious threats inside their own sector from innovators such as the California-based automaker Tesla, evangelists for climate change and producers of low-carbon electric vehicles.


Climate agreement

And the finance houses say the move towards driverless vehicles, being pioneered by the likes of Google, poses a threat of even more severe potential new competition for the traditional car firms.

Last year’s Paris climate change agreement has increased the urgency for the big manufacturers such as Ford, VW and Toyota to move more quickly, the report warns.

They point to a recent study by the Moody’s credit agency that highlighted the potential dangers of tighter regulations for vehicles.

And the new IIGCC report warns that the automotive industry is already exposed to “a plethora of CO2 and pollutant emission reduction targets in all major markets”.

It says that tougher vehicle standards have already been implemented or are on their way in Australia, Brazil, China and India, as well as the US and Europe.

And it stresses that governments are increasingly incentivising the use of electric vehicles in countries such as Norway and Holland.

Terry Macalister, an award-winning journalist and author of a book on the Arctic, is former energy editor of The Guardian newspaper.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/investors_tell_auto_industry_to_move_to_low_carbon_or_else_20161013
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 15, 2016, 03:00:49 pm
10/14/2016 03:21 PM     
2016 Has Been A Great Year for Electric Cars   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)   

SustainableBusiness.com News

By the end of this year 2.1 million plug-in electric vehicles (EVs) will be on the world's roads, a turning point according to industry experts.

It better be because the latest research shows that our only chance to keep global temperatures from rising more than 1.5°C is for electric vehicles to completely replace combustion engines by 2035, says NewClimate Institute research. Half of all cars have to be zero emissions by 2050 to stay below 2°C , they say.


Writing On the Wall   

By the mid-2020s, EVs are expected to hit their stride, becoming cheaper than conventional cars in most countries without subsidies.  With an average price under $22,000, EVs will reach 35% of global new car sales by 2040, says Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

(https://www.tesla.com/tesla_theme/assets/img/gigafactory/hero.jpg)
Tesla Gigafactory

China is currently the largest market for electric cars, followed by the EU and then the US (both with about 500,000 cars on the road). Norway is the world leader where 23% of cars sold are electric, followed by the Netherlands, where EVs have a 10% market share, according to the International Energy Agency. Both countries are working on policies for all new cars to be electric by 2025. 

This week, Germany's Bundesrat (federal council) passed a resolution calling for an end to sales of new fossil vehicles by 2030, when only new cars that run on electricity or hydrogen would be allowed. And they want the ban to extend to the entire EU. 
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In April, India's Road Minister said the country will be the first "100% electric vehicle nation" by 2030.   (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/xig/ojx/xigojx6KT.png)
 

So, the writing could be on the wall.   (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

For China, EV manufacturing is a way to reduce pollution and to become a world leader in auto manufacturing by leapfrogging over conventional vehicles where it holds little market share.   

Most important for the transition to EVs are rapidly falling prices for batteries - already 65% cheaper since 2010 and dropping 20% a year - and widespread access to charging stations. 

The Nissan Leaf is the most popular EV, followed by the Tesla Model S, then Chinese firms BYD and Qin, and then GM's Chevy Volt, according to EV Volumes.

 As for the major US auto manufacturers, they are investing in EVs, but they are selling so many gas guzzlers that they are trying to negotiate down the fuel economy standards they agreed to when President Obama bailed them out. 

"Given changes in the market landscape, it will be a daunting challenge to meet the very aggressive requirements of the 2022-2025 federal fuel economy and greenhouse gas rule," says the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. "Absent a vigorous commitment to focus on marketplace realities, excessive regulatory costs could impact both consumers and the employees who produce these vehicles."   

They make much bigger profits on gas guzzlers and that's where their focus is, not on selling EVs  >:(. Many dealers don't even have an EV on the lot and many salespeople don't discuss federal and state tax incentives that are available, according to Rev Up EVs, a study on the US EV shopping experience. 


Policy Changes in US


 In August, the EPA and Department of Transportation finalized the second phase of fuel economy standards for medium and heavy-duty trucks and buses.

 These worst of the worst gas guzzlers get about 6 miles/ gallon, but by model year 2018, they will get 10-20% more. This next phase requires another 30% leap during model years 2021-2027.

Trucks and buses consume 25% of all the fuel used in the US even though they account for 7% of the vehicles on the road, according to Union of Concerned Scientists. 

As for cars and light trucks, the fleet average must be 35.5 mpg by 2016 (which automakers are meeting) and 54.5 mpg by 2025. Automakers can't meet 2025 standards without selling lots of EVs.

In July, the White House announced up to $4.5 billion in loan guarantees to build out a national EV charging infrastructure. Plans include developing EV "charging corridors" across the country and research to develop extremely fast charging technology.  The Department of Energy also awards grants for development of advanced vehicles, such as electric trucks, buses and ferries, all of which are in varying stages of rollout.

There are now 16,000 charging stations across the US, all built since President Obama took office. California and nine other states require 15% of car sales to be zero emissions by 2025. In June, US EV sales reached 1% of all new car sales. 

Transportation is responsible for 27% of US greenhouse gas emissions.  >:(  

"By mid-century, the practice of someone primarily driving himself or herself around town in a gasoline car will be as unusual as traveling by horse and buggy is today," says John Gartner at Navigant Research. "Instead, the combination and intersection of autonomous, shared, connected, and electric vehicle technologies will contribute to the gradual reduction of the number of cars on the road beginning in the 2030s that is already prompting automakers to expand to a variety of new mobility as a service business models."

Ubiquitous Koch Bros    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191329.bmp) (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/pirates5B15D_th.gif) There to "Save" Fossil Fuels   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/126fs2277341.gif)

The Koch Bros are behind a new PR campaign for fossil fuels, "Fueling U.S. Forward," which launched in August with a goal to spend $10 million a year.

 They want to "rebrand" fossil fuels as the best choice for Americans (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_2932.gif) and to convince them that electric vehicles are just big government forcing subsidies onto taxpayers (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_2932.gif)... as they've been doing on renewable energy.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/ugly004.gif)

 They point to how cheap gas is, forgetting to mention that it wasn't long ago that it cost over $4 a gallon. If we want to help people with lower incomes, they say, we should jettison clean energy and focus on coal, gas and oil.

Lobbyist and former head of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, Charlie Drevna, is heading the effort.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/mocantina.gif)

DeSmog has launched a counter-website to expose the individuals, organizations and tactics behind these senseless attacks on electric vehicles and renewable energy.   

The Koch brothers pulled their strings behind the scenes until Greenpeace exposed them in 2010 for secretly spending over $88 million to deliberately confuse people about the scientific reality of climate change. 


Read, Global EV Outlook 2016 by the International Energy Agency:
Website: www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/Global_EV_Outlook_2016.pdf

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/26678
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on October 29, 2016, 10:13:46 pm
Global Energy News | Thu Oct 27, 2016 | 7:27am EDT

New Zealand to double electric fleet to reduce oil bill   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/47b20s0.gif)
By Jessica Jaganathan and Seng Li Peng | SINGAPORE

New Zealand aims to double its electric vehicle fleet every year through to 2021 to reduce high-cost oil product imports, the country's Minister of Energy and Resources told Reuters.

The Asia-Pacific country spends NZ$9 billion to NZ$11 billion (US$6 billion to US$8 billion) on imports of petroleum, made up mostly of gasoline, against earnings of NZ$2 billion to NZ$2.5 billion from crude oil exports, said Simon Bridges, who is also the Minister of Transport.

"The prospect of going from imported fossil fuels, which cost the country a lot of money, to homegrown clean, green energy is incredibly tantalizing," Bridges said, speaking on the sidelines of Singapore International Energy Week, an annual industry conference.

"We have a target of doubling our electric vehicles every year to 2021 ... effectively from nothing to over 2000 today," said Bridges, adding that despite an increase in distances driven, no significant hike in petroleum demand was expected.

New Zealand also has a target of having 90 percent of its electricity produced from renewable energy such as wind and geothermal sources by 2025, up from 83 percent currently.
 
The country, with a population size of over 4 million, is also looking to market its untapped oil and gas reserves, Bridges said.

It is looking to offer a new block for petroleum exploration, which includes over 500,000 square kilometers of onshore and offshore acreage. The final block offer will be announced in March, next year, he said.
 
"We have got one mature basin in New Zealand called Taranaki and all of the exports out of the NZ$2.5 billion per annum has been great, but there are 17 other basins around New Zealand and we know they're prospective," he said.

Still, with the drop in oil prices - still less than 50 percent of mid-2014 values - drilling has come to a halt.

"We've got no drilling this summer       (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)... New Zealand isn't changing course when it comes to oil and gas exploration and production. We think it's good for our economy, but it's also the world's transition to low carbon economy," said Bridges.
 
Any natural gas found would also be a great boost to the Asia-Pacific region, he said.

New Zealand has one refinery which supplies 70 percent of the domestic market's petrol, 84 percent of the diesel, 83 percent of the jet fuel and 100 percent of the fuel oil, said New Zealand Refinery Company's website.


(Reporting by Jessica Jaganathan and Seng Li Peng; Editing by Tom Hogue)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-newzealand-oil-idUSKCN12R1HX
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on November 06, 2016, 10:50:46 pm
GM starts producing 200-mile electric Chevrolet Bolt      (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185047.png)

November 5, 2016 by Tom Krisher
 
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A battery is lifted into place for installation in the Chevrolet Bolt EV at the General Motors Orion Assembly plant Friday, Nov. 4, 2016, in Orion Township, Mich. The Chevrolet Bolt can go more than 200 miles on battery power and will cost less than the average new vehicle in the U.S. But it's unclear whether the car can do much to shift America from gasoline to electricity in an era of $2 prices at the pump. (AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

It can go more than 200 miles on battery power and it costs less than the average new vehicle in the U.S. But in an era of $2 per gallon gasoline, the Chevrolet Bolt probably won't do a whole lot to shift America from gasoline to electricity.


General Motors has started making Bolt hatchbacks on a slow assembly line at a factory in Orion Township, Michigan, north of Detroit.

The cars, starting at $37,495 before a $7,500 federal tax credit, will go on sale in California and Oregon before the end of the year, and will spread to the rest of the country next year. The average sales price of a new vehicle in the U.S. is about $34,000, according to Kelley Blue Book.

Analysts say the Bolt's 238-mile range on a single charge, plus a net price of around $30,000, should make it an attractive alternative to cars with internal-combustion engines. While they expect the Bolt to incrementally add to the number of electric cars now on the road, they don't expect a seismic shift to electricity yet.

The Bolt's range more than covers the average daily round-trip commute of about 40 miles in the U.S., and that should give comfort to those who fear running out of power, said Stephanie Brinley, an auto industry analyst for IHS Markit. But there's always the late night at work and the early meeting the next morning without enough charging time, or the night you forget to plug the car in. Those are tough adjustments for Americans, she said.

"We're trained to believe that wherever we go, we get can get the fuel that we need. With electricity you need to plan that out a little bit more," Brinley said.

IHS predicts that GM will sell just under 30,000 Bolts in the first year, which won't add much to the roughly 235,000 electrics now on U.S. roads. Brinley says there will be small growth as more companies such as Tesla Motors roll out affordable electric vehicles with range over 200 miles. Last year about 100,000 EVs were sold in the U.S., and IHS predicts 300,000 annual sales by 2020 and 400,000 by 2025.

(http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2016/1-gmstartsprod.jpg)
Yves Dontigny, plant launch manager at the General Motors Orion Assembly plant, points out a feature on the drive train before its installation into the Chevrolet Bolt EV, Friday, Nov. 4, 2016, in Orion Township, Mich. The Chevrolet Bolt can go more than 200 miles on battery power and will cost less than the average new vehicle in the U.S. But it's unclear whether the car can do much to shift America from gasoline to electricity in an era of $2 prices at the pump. (AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

Still, Chevrolet believes the Bolt is a game-changer.(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)  "It becomes just a mainstream vehicle choice," said Darin Gesse, the Bolt's product manager.

GM, he said, set out to make the range about equal to a half-tank of fuel in a gas-powered car. With a half-tank of gas, most people don't worry that they have to refuel for a while and are comfortable driving, he said.   

In a quick drive Friday on roads near GM's technical center north of Detroit, the car accelerated quickly when compared to a gas car. GM says it goes from zero to 60 mph in about 6.5 seconds, which is faster than many muscle cars from the '70s and '80s. The handling was tight with very little body roll, yet the ride was smooth and quiet.

GM beat rival Tesla to market with a long-range affordable electric car by at least a year. Tesla plans to start delivering its 200-mile, $35,000 (before tax credits) Model 3 in the second half of next year, and it had 373,000 deposits as of May.

The carmaker hasn't revealed exactly when the first customer will get a Bolt. Chevrolet didn't take advance reservations but says there's been strong interest at its dealerships.

Not all of GM's 3,000 dealers nationwide will be certified to sell and service the Bolt, although the company isn't sure how many yet. Around 2,000 can service the Bolt's plug-in cousin, the Volt.

GM says that should be a big advantage over Tesla, which doesn't have service centers in every state.

http://phys.org/news/2016-11-gm-mile-electric-chevrolet.html#jCp
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on November 07, 2016, 12:53:09 pm
GM starts producing 200-mile electric Chevrolet Bolt      (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185047.png)

November 5, 2016 by Tom Krisher
 
(http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2016/gmstartsprod.jpg)
A battery is lifted into place for installation in the Chevrolet Bolt EV at the General Motors Orion Assembly plant Friday, Nov. 4, 2016, in Orion Township, Mich. The Chevrolet Bolt can go more than 200 miles on battery power and will cost less than the average new vehicle in the U.S. But it's unclear whether the car can do much to shift America from gasoline to electricity in an era of $2 prices at the pump. (AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

http://phys.org/news/2016-11-gm-mile-electric-chevrolet.html#jCp


Been keeping my eye on his one. Looks like an improvement.


(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)  If you buy one, please feel free to publish a full report on your experience with it on this channel.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/balloons.gif)

I am addicted to good news, even if I publish a lot of bad news due to my being a member in good standing of the reality based community.   8)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on November 08, 2016, 02:40:55 pm
BAE Systems delivers 7,000th hybrid-electric system for buses  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)

Posted on November 7, 2016

BAE Systems celebrated its 7,000th delivery of a series hybrid-electric system for buses by meeting orders for Canada’s Réseau de transport de la Capitale (RTC) in Quebec. The delivery marks a major milestone towards greater vehicle electrification of the transit bus market.

Global demand for hybrid-electric and fully-electric transit solutions is increasing as more legislation is passed setting clean air regulations and transit agencies continue to establish goals for greener fleets. RTC in Quebec has, for instance, a goal to operate a fully-electric fleet and is using hybrid technology as a bridge to all-electric buses. In order to help RTC reach its goal, the 7,000th system was delivered to manufacturer Nova Bus to meet RTC bus orders.

“The trend toward increased use of hybrid technology in cities and states around the world has been bolstered by political action,” said Bob Lamanna, director, global transit accounts, at BAE Systems. “Transit agencies are seeking more electric transit solutions, and our hybrid technology is a proven, viable option to help these organizations reduce their carbon footprint.”

RELATED: MBTA's new buses include BAE's propulsion system

To date, RTC has received more than 50 40-foot and 60-foot articulated buses powered by BAE Systems’ electric power and drive systems, and it is continuing to receive hybrid-electric powered buses to help reach its clean air goals. RTC and many heavily populated cities use the longer, 60-foot articulated bus, which joins an extra 20-foot section to a 40-foot bus, to accommodate more passengers during peak periods. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

(http://www.hybridrive.com/images/diagram-busandartic.jpg)

The company’s Series-E system is configured to power buses with hybrid-electric power, and the same system components can also be configured to drive on pure-electric power by adding more batteries and removing the diesel engine    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp). The Series-E system enables transit agencies, as well as maintenance and training staff, to transition to electric systems from their known mechanical systems and diesel power.

With 7,000 HybriDrive propulsion systems operating around the world, more than 1 billion passengers are helping to save 15 million gallons of fuel each year while eliminating 160,000 tons of CO2 from entering the atmosphere. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif)


http://www.metro-magazine.com/sustainability/news/717531/bae-systems-delivers-7-000th-hybrid-electric-system-for-buses
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on December 23, 2016, 06:38:53 pm
Ready to Buy an EV? Here's How to Save Big (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

Sierra Club

http://www.ecowatch.com/buy-electric-vehicles-2157633070.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 03, 2017, 06:41:52 pm
Tony Seba: All new vehicles, globally, will be electric by 2030

Sami Grover (@samigrover)
Business / Corporate Responsibility

 January 3, 2017

https://youtu.be/Kxryv2XrnqM

http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/tony-seba-all-new-vehicles-globally-will-be-electric-2030.html
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 03, 2017, 09:41:12 pm
Technology News | Sun Dec 25, 2016 | 6:27pm EST

Power surge: Chinese electric car battery maker charges for global market  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-autos-batteries-idUSKBN14E0K1
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 17, 2017, 04:32:37 pm
Fiat, Renault, VW scams will hasten rise of electric car (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

Published on 13/01/2017, 4:29pm

SNIPPET:

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In an attempt to rebuild its post-scandal image, VW decided that only electric cars could wash it clean. The company announced in November that it planned to be a world leader in the market, building one million electric vehicles every year by 2025.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/01/13/fiat-renault-vw-scams-will-hasten-rise-of-electric-car/

 
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on January 20, 2017, 05:16:15 pm
(https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/all/themes/clew/logo.png)

VW seeks e-car quota deal with China / Swedish-German power connection

#Cars #International

Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung

China’s quota challenges VW

Germany’s largest car manufacturer VW struggles to comply with China’s planned quota for e-cars, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) reports. “The e-quota certainly is going to be a challenge,” a VW manager for China told journalists on Thursday in Beijing. The Chinese government last year announced carmakers will have to sell a certain share of their cars with electric engines as soon as 2018, thereby gaining “credit points” that they can sell to their competitors. According to FAZ, VW is now seeking to strike a deal with Chinese authorities that would allow the carmaker to gather “negative” credit points if it fails to meet the quota straight away. By exceeding the quota in later years, VW hopes to avoid being fined this way, FAZ writes.

For background, read the CLEW dossier The Energiewende and German carmakers.

 

#Grid #International

50Hertz

Power interconnector between Germany and Sweden

Germany and Sweden will build a 300 kilometre-long, 700 megawatt direct current power line connecting storage-rich Scandinavia with wind- and solar-powered continental Europe. “The cable improves the integration of renewable energies in the transmission grid and thus supports climate-friendly and cost efficient power generation. The European Single Market helps us design the Energiewende at low costs,” said Rainer Baake, German state secretary in the economy ministry, according to a press release by 50Hertz. German and Swedish transmission grid operators 50Hertz and Svenska kraftnät signed a cooperation agreement detailing existing plans for the 600-million-euro investment. The interconnector is to be in operation by 2025/26.

read more news at link:

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/vw-seeks-e-car-quota-deal-china-swedish-german-power-connection
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on February 09, 2017, 10:40:24 pm
(https://www.tesla.com/tesla_theme/assets/img/model3/gallery/gallery-2.jpg?20161116)
Technology News | Wed Feb 8, 2017 | 10:48pm EST

Exclusive: Tesla pausing factory for Model 3 preparation this month

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-model-idUSKBN15N2W7

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 02, 2017, 02:22:44 pm
March 2, 2017

China will force 67,000 fossil fuel-powered Taxis to switch to electric in order to cut back on pollution  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

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Typical Beijing vista. Credit: Flickr, Kevin Dooley.

Beijing is notorious for being one of the most polluted cities in the world. Smog alerts are a common affair and last winter there were more than a dozen days when life-threatening particle matter measured in the air was 10 times over the limit determined safe by the World Health Organization. To tackle rampant air pollution as a result of China’s accelerated economic growth based on burning gargantuan quantities of fossil fuels, the local government has enacted several desperate measures. One recent mandate will force thousands of taxi drivers to switch to electric vehicles or else they risk having their licenses withdrawn.

Some 67,000 of Beijing’s 71,000 taxis currently run on gasoline, diesel, or liquefied gas. According to a draft work program on air pollution control for Beijing, Tianjin, Hebei, all of these vehicles will gradually have to switch to electric.

The timeframe isn’t clear as of yet, but it the whole mandate will reportedly cost taxi companies nine billion yuan (1.3 billion US dollars). In China, the market price for a typical gasoline-powered vehicle is $10,000 but an electric car can cost twice as much. The government is lending a hand, though.

China is the largest EV market in the world with more than 400,000 units sold in 2016, January to November. By 2020, the Chinese government wants to see five million EVs on its streets and is offering subsidies that in some instances can amount to more than 70% of the EV’s market price. For instance, the two-door battery electric Chery eQ costs around 60,000 yuan ($8,655) after subsidies worth 100,000 yuan or so.

(http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Chery-eQ-668x409.jpg)
Two-door battery electric Chery eQ   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)

The same subsidies, however, have provided a perverse incentive for fraud. There are more than 200 EV manufacturers in China, most of them popping up in the last five years. As you might imagine, the vast majority don’t meet the strict quality guidelines required to make a Chinese EV competitive with the likes of Tesla or General Motors. With this in mind, since January 2017, subsidies at local-government levels have been capped at 50 percent of that offered by the central government.

“In the long term, this is going to help the industry to develop in a healthy way, but in the short term it’ll put pressure on even the big manufacturers,” Ka Leong Lo, Hong Kong-based analyst at Maybank Kim Eng Securities, told China Daily.

“The reason the ministry is putting a cap on local government subsidies is mainly because it wants to weed out frauds.”

Even with this cap, the subsidies are still generous which shouldn’t be that much of a hassle for Chinese taxi companies. What will be problematic, however, will be the charging stations which Beijing woefully lacks. In 2014, when only 200 electric cabs were added to the Beijing fleet, many drivers complained queues could last for up to six hours. The 172 charging facilities in Beijing as of the end of 2015 had performed over two million charges, according to the Beijing Electric Power Company. Beijing would have to add at least 100 times more to accommodate this new mandate.

http://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/china-taxis-switch-to-electric/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 09, 2017, 06:03:56 pm
Agelbert NOTE: I missed this when it was published. Oh well, here it is, better late than never.  ;D

All Dutch Trains Now Run 100% On Wind Power

January 8th, 2017 by Rogier van Rooij

SNIPPET:

Electric trains have always been a relatively sustainable mode of transport, with much lower emissions than cars, but as of the 1st of January, 2017, all electric train rides in the Netherlands have become even greener. They are now entirely powered by clean, renewable, wind energy. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)


Funny video at link:

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/01/08/dutch-trains-now-run-100-wind-power/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 12, 2017, 02:05:40 pm
(http://srv2.betterparts.org/images/vw-golf-blue-e-motion-05.jpg)
VW Golf Blue-E-Motion

(https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/all/themes/clew/logo.png)

Volkswagen, Daimler and BMW to build more than 106,000 e-cars this year  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)

German carmakers Volkswagen, Daimler, and BMW are likely to build more than 106,000 e-cars this year, an increase of 54 percent compared to last year, according to a forecast by business consultancy PwC.

Production of hybrid models by German carmakers will increase 46 percent to 330,000 units, according to the forecast. “These numbers suggest that German carmakers are serious about the green transition,” said Christoph Stürmer, Global Lead Analyst at PwC Autofacts.

http://www.pwc.de/de/pressemitteilungen/2017/54-prozent-mehr-elektroantriebe-deutschlands-autobauer-wechseln.html


Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 14, 2017, 06:13:20 pm
Porsche’s first fully electric vehicle, the Mission E, could charge in only 15 minutes
(http://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/444839f4-3b96-42d9-9dd1-3ead7d6ab0a9_teaser_original_720x1_5.jpg)
The glamorous Porsche Mission E. Credit: Porsche

SNIPPET:

Tesla has some serious competition heading its way once Porsche starts rolling out the Mission E as early as 2020. This is Porsche’s first fully electric vehicle and while details so far have been rather cryptic, the press has been thrown a bone from time to time. One of the most recent breaking news about the Mission E is that it should be capable of charging in only 15 minutes, according to Detlev von Platen, Porsche board member and former CEO of Porsche Cars North America.

Quote
“If you’re having some fun on the track, waiting 6 hours to recharge would bother you. That’s why we are working so hard on a technology that would charge the battery in 15 minutes.” von Platen told Tim Stevens from Cnet.

When von Platen talks about ‘having fun on the track’ he means it. Previously, we learned that the Mission E, which looks as stunning as any Porsche by the way, will be equipped with two motors and an all-wheel-drive packing 600 horsepower. It can reach a top speed of 150 miles per hour but can get from zero to 60 in only 3.5 seconds, which is still inferior to Tesla’s Model S P100D 2.5 seconds in Ludicrous Mode but, really, who drives this insanely?

As for usability, the Mission E has four seats and four doors which open in a radically different way, as seen below. There are no exterior mirrors. Instead, a display mounted on the lower corner of the windshield shows what’s going on around the car from camera feeds. Wait, there’s more. There’s also a camera that detects where the driver is looking and a computer detects what instrument on the dashboard the driver wants to open. The instruments displayed on the car’s dashboard also shift position along with the driver as you move higher or lower on the seat, for instance.

Full article with added graphics:

http://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/porsche-mission-3-charge-0432423/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 15, 2017, 07:16:47 pm
Cities Shop for $10 Billion of Electric Cars to Defy Trump (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6869.gif)

(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/looksmiley.gif)

‎March‎ ‎14‎, ‎2017‎ ‎3‎:‎46‎ ‎PM

Updated on ‎March‎ ‎15‎, ‎2017‎ ‎10‎:‎48‎ ‎AM

by Joe Ryan

Dozens of U.S. cities are willing to buy $10 billion of electric cars and trucks to show skeptical automakers there’s demand for low-emission vehicles, just as President Donald Trump seeks to review pollution standards the industry opposes.

Thirty cities including New York and Chicago jointly asked automakers for the cost and feasibility of providing 114,000 electric vehicles, including police cruisers, street sweepers and trash haulers, said Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, who is coordinating the effort. That would be comparable to about 72 percent of total U.S. plug-in sales last year.

While urban leaders want more low-emission vehicles to ease the role city traffic plays in altering the climate, automakers say there aren’t enough buyers. They also have advocated for relaxing rules on traditional fuel vehicles. The Trump administration (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/165fs373950.gif), which seeks to cut regulations it sees as too costly or onerous (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/ugly004.gif), is poised to announce Wednesday that it will reconsider tighter standards finalized a week before President Barack Obama left office.

Quote
“No matter what President Trump  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/126fs2277341.gif) does or what happens in Washington, cities will continue leading the way on tackling climate change,” Matt Petersen, Los Angeles chief sustainability officer, said in an email. (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

The initiative is still in the early stages, and the cities haven’t actually ordered any of the 114,000 vehicles. Rather, they’ve taken what’s typically the first step in a formal bidding process by inviting manufactures to outline plans to supply them. Plus, some cities are asking about vehicles that don’t exist yet, such as electric fire engines and heavy-duty trucks.

The initiative could move the market nonetheless, said Colin McKerracher, an analyst with Bloomberg New Energy Finance. Orders for that many electric vehicles would be a significant driver for the U.S. plug-in market, which totaled 160,000 in 2016. While the initiative would probably be spread out over several years, it would provide electric vehicle manufacturers reliable demand as federal policies shift and gas prices fluctuate.

“I wouldn’t underestimate this,” McKerracher said. “What automakers really want in investing in electrification, whether that’s for passenger vehicles or commercial-use vehicles, is certainty.”  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

Trump plans to announce his intentions to re-examine  ;) (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png)vehicle-efficiency standards on Wednesday during a meeting with auto executives near Detroit. Automakers including General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV have pushed for the move, saying the standards drive up costs and don’t reflect motorists’ driving preferences.

Demonstrating Demand

The mayors, mostly Democrats, want to demonstrate that demand for low-emission vehicles is robust. “If you build it, we will buy it,” Chris Bast, Seattle’s climate and transportation policy adviser, said in an interview.

Myron Ebell, the former head of Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency transition team, said consumers are the ones who want less stringent fuel economy standards. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-030815183114.gif)  “This is not coming from the auto industry -- it’s coming from consumers and the auto dealers association,” said Ebell, who left the Trump transition team in January.(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-111214174727.png)

Carmakers have invested heavily in cutting emissions, offering 95 different varieties of hybrids and electric vehicles last year, said Wade Newton  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif), a spokesman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers trade group. However, Americans still prefer gasoline-powered vehicles, he said. (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_2932.gif) 

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“Combined, those models were all outsold by a single model of pickup truck,” Newton  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-241013183046.jpeg) said.
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Los Angeles began spearheading the effort for a joint electric-vehicle order during the run-up to the Paris climate accord in late 2015. The request to automakers went out earlier this year, initially with an order for 24,000 vehicles from Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle. Twenty-six other cities have since joined, including Boston, Denver, Kansas City and Houston.

Nearly 40 automakers, truck makers, bus makers and others have responded so far, Petersen said.

‘Cities’ Leadership’

Tail-pipe fumes are crucial in the fight to stop global warming. Emissions from cars and trucks became the largest U.S. source of greenhouse gases last year, surpassing power plants for the first time since 1979. That makes the EPA standards that Trump is eyeing central to help the U.S. meet its goals under the Paris climate deal.

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Now more than ever there is a need for cities’ leadership on climate,” Daniel Zarrilli, New York City’s senior director of climate policy and programs, said in an interview. “We really want to send a message that there is a growing market for electric vehicles -- regardless of what is happening in D.C.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-14/cities-shop-for-10-billion-of-electric-vehicles-to-defy-trump
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 28, 2017, 01:11:14 pm
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March 19, 2017 | Rona Fried | Policy/Trends, Transportation

Auto Industry(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/165fs373950.gif) Gets Fuel Economy Bailout, While Oil Industry (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/pirates5B15D_th.gif) Goes After Electric Cars

SNIPPET:

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Have you ever seen an ad for plug-in or electric cars?  The answer is No or Rarely. Have you seen ads for SUVs? The answer is Constantly.  >:(

Research on national TV ads confirms this, and there’s also a dearth of electric vehicles (EVs) at dealerships. Either don’t stock EVs at all or have a few hidden in the back. Forget a test drive! Salespeople aren’t trained on their benefits and often aren’t aware of state and federal tax credits and rebates. Another survey finds that 60% of Americans don’t even know that plug-ins exist and that 80% have never been in an EV.

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/auto-industry-gets-fuel-economy-bailout-oil-industry-goes-electric-cars/

Agelbert NOTE: Below, please find, evidence that the propaganda tsunami from the Fossil Fuel Planet Eaters for the past half century has been successful in dumbing down most (only 11% of those in the survey below retain the ability to see through the Polluter Propaganda) Americans:

(https://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-120616193700.png)


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/05/c7/d8/05c7d881009dec85c4f24ed8561bf288.jpg)

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on March 30, 2017, 01:50:08 pm
Business News | Wed Mar 29, 2017 | 7:34am EDT

Daimler accelerates electric car program (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

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Mercedes Maybach 6 car

Mercedes-Benz owner Daimler (DAIGn.DE) is accelerating its electric car program, it said on Wednesday after announcing that it had failed to cut fleet emissions in Europe for the first time since 2007.

Daimler put its emissions numbers down to customers increasing preference for sports utility vehicles (SUVs), which tend to be more polluting than sedans, making it more difficult for carmakers to hit a European target for each new car to produce no more than 95 grams of carbon dioxide per kilometer by 2020.

The company said it expects Mercedes-Benz Cars to bring more than 10 new electric cars to market by 2022 through 10 billion euros ($10.8 billion) of investment, having previously aimed to achieve the target by 2025.
 
Daimler has been set a goal of achieving a European average fleet emissions level of 100 grams for Mercedes-Benz Cars, including its Smart brand, by 2020.
 
Last year the average fuel emissions remained at 123 grams for Mercedes-Benz Cars, the same level as in 2015. It is the first time since 2007 that it has failed to cut average pollution levels despite the introduction of more fuel efficient engines throughout its range.

Daimler also said it is expecting record sales volumes for the Mercedes-Benz Cars division in the first quarter of the year.
 
"The positive sales trend continued in March," Daimler said in a statement ahead of its annual shareholder meeting.

The company also reiterated its full-year group sales and earnings targets. The car and truck maker expects a slight increase in earnings and a significant rise in sales of Mercedes-Benz Cars.


(Reporting by Ilona Wissenbach and Edward Taylor; Writing by Victoria Bryan; Editing by Christoph Steitz and David Goodman)


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-daimler-agm-idUSKBN1700N7

Agelbert NOTE: The Daimler move is just the tip of the Renewable Energy Iceberg that has just been reenergized by Trump behavior. (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif) 

You see, Mr. Trump, this is the way Germans respond when you insult them. They don't just get mad, they get a lot more than "even".

(http://pm1.narvii.com/5869/6a64193d6770c3afd17406c78686c0eda32ded1c_hq.jpg)

They KNOW your stunt of presenting a bill for NATO services owed by Germany had NOTHING to do with reality. They KNOW that your masters, the Fossil Fuel Fascists (plus the nuke puke power plant cheerleaders) have been trying to undermine and discredit Germany's tremendously successful transition to Renewable Energy for DECADES.

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/Wires/Online/2017-03-17/AP/Images/Trump_US_Germany_15912.jpg-9ccb8.jpg)

The Germans get it (finally!). The US Gooberment is OWNED by the Fossil Fuel Fascists, of which Trump is the latest tool/fool.   :P

Therefore, the Germans will now make the massive transition they have already made look like small potatoes. WHY? Because it is now a matter of national pride, not simply Renewable Energy. And everybody knows how single minded the Germans can be when the issue is National Pride. Making Germans angry is never a good idea.

As I predicted last November, when fascists come to power, they shoot themselves in the foot by going quickly into overreach mode. Trump, on several fronts, not just foreign policy, has just destroyed his political future and SHORTENED the future of the polluting energy bastards that own him. Right wing crazies never learn, thank God!  :D   

The fossil Fuel Fascists and Nuke Pukes in the USA will rue the day they insulted the Germans.
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 03, 2017, 06:05:24 pm
Are you a VERY economical person who wants an affordable EV? Are you. like me, retired and only need transportation for groceries and doctor visits within 10 miles of your home? Well then, the E-tuk is the one I recommend, even though I still can't afford one.   

(https://img01.olx.co.za/images_olxza/1001390414_1_1000x700_e-tuk-tuk-cape-town.jpg)
The model for Vermont would, of course, require doors like this one.  8)

They run them in Colorado, but their models don't have doors:  :(
(http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/08/All-electric-Tuk-Tuk-Factory-2.jpg)
http://www.denver.org/listing/etuk-denver/14071/ (http://www.denver.org/listing/etuk-denver/14071/)

They are already quite affordable, and do come with a lithium battery option (that jacks up the price to about $25,000  :P), but when those lithium battery pack prices get to trailer treasure budget levels (E-tuk total cost $15,000 - $20,000 WITH doors and lithium battery pack (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)), I will make another effort at convincing the boss (my wife) that she would look great in one!   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 03, 2017, 06:38:48 pm
The First Street Legal, Electric Tuk Tuks in the United States

Posted by eTuk Blog on Feb 23, 2017 3:54:33 PM

Three-wheeled zero-emission eTuks tout extreme versatility for both indoor and outdoor use.

 Visit many urban centers worldwide and you’ll often find yourself submersed in a sea of three-wheeled colorful auto rickshaws. Also known as “tuk tuks”, these vehicles are a widely used form of transportation around the world. Until now, a tuk tuk could not be found in the United States, let alone an electric one. Today, eTuk USA announced that all of their Department of Transportation (DOT) certified models are available for sale in the U.S.

Free eTuk ebook on how businesses are using eTuks:

http://hs.etukusa.com/free-ebook-6-industries-growing-their-business-with-etuk (http://hs.etukusa.com/free-ebook-6-industries-growing-their-business-with-etuk)

The eTuks are street legal, making them great as passenger shuttles, delivery vehicles and perfect for selling food, drinks, and goods. In addition, since they are 100% electric, they can be used in interior spaces such as airports, convention centers and hotels; perfect for trade shows, vending, promotions, and so much more. For example, eTuk USA recently worked closely with a creative brand agency for their client Bhakti Chai based in Boulder, Colorado. “A modern version of the iconic Indian rickshaw, the eTuk is the perfect vehicle to bring the Bhakti Chai brand to the people,” said Judd Rogers, Lead Project Manager at Young Jenkins. “Bhakti Chai’s values of sustainability and their desire to promote their brand in a fun and engaging way are supported by this unique and versatile zero-emission vehicle. “

Each eTuk is manufactured and assembled locally in Denver, CO, allowing eTuk USA to make sure each eTuk conforms to the highest design and manufacturing standards.  The vehicles meet or exceed all applicable Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) set forth by the US Department of Transportation (DOT). “We spent over 9 months preparing for the FMVSS testing for the DOT and our results were a huge success.” Said Colin Sommer of eTuk USA. Each eTuk has a 17 Character VIN allowing it to be registered and plated at the state level.

 “We are extremely excited to bring these high quality electric, zero-emission vehicles to our clients in the U.S,” said Michael Fox of eTuk USA. “The fun nature and curb appeal of our vehicles instantly attracts attention, making them perfect for promoting a business, message or brand. The uses are limitless. ”

Request a quote (link in article link)


eTuk USA offers several models for both passenger and commercial use:

 eTuk Classic


The eTuk Classic is the smallest vehicle offered in the line. It can shuttle three passengers for up to 50–80 miles (depending on the battery choice) of good green fun before needing a recharge. Great for public transport, shuttle services, tours, mobile marketing, or even just as a fun weekend alternative around town.

eTuk Limo

The eTuk Limo is a real smooth cruiser, equipped with seats for 6 passengers; a unique feature for an electric vehicle made for the road. It is the ultimate vehicle for recreation, public transport, shuttle services, city centre tours, and resorts.

eTuk Vendor

The eTuk Vendor offers an eco friendly way to sell anything; from merchandise to ice cream to fresh fruit to hot drinks, just to name a few. If food is your thing, you can custom fabricate these eTuks to cook and sell your delectables. It is fully customizable to any vending concept and offers the same green clean fun, similar to all other eTuks.  The Vendor is available in standard or XL size.

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eTuk Cargo

eTuk Cargo

The eTuk Cargo offers an incredible mix of features. The big cargo space comes in 2 versions, the basic eTuk Cargo and the eTuk Cargo XL. This vehicle is the perfect fit for one that manages a supermarket supply chain or for a restaurateur looking for a memorable and economical way to deliver food fresh from their restaurant. As compared to larger vehicles the eTuk cargo’s maneuverability makes it far easier for urban delivery.

eTuk Utility

The eTuk Utility is similar to the eTuk Cargo but has an open exterior. The big cargo space comes in 2 versions, the basic eTuk Utility and the eTuk Utility XL.  It is the perfect vehicle for maintenance companies as well as golf course greens managers.

Customization and more

All of the eTuks can be built to reflect an individual’s style, brand, or creativity. They can also be customized to fit a particular user’s needs – from designing a creative passenger experience to creating a functioning restaurant on wheels. You can order your eTuk in multiple colors schemes or start with white and custom wrap your eTuk with your own design. Take your business to the next level with digital advertising screens that can be mounted on top or the rear of the eTuk.

The eTuks can be purchased as a fleet or for individual use. Interested parties may also contact eTuk USA to inquire about setting up a partnering affiliate to create their own local eTuk urban mobility transportation company.  The urban mobility companies, such as eTuk Denver, provides a fun and unique fleet of vehicles available for urban transportation.

About eTuk USA, LLC

Headquartered in Denver, CO eTuk USA manufactures 100% electric eco-friendly tuk tuks to suit a variety of customer needs throughout the USA. The company’s electric vehicles are well suited for a variety of applications. eTuk USA licenses the design from their partner, The Tuk Tuk Factory, and is the exclusive manufacturer and distributor of the eTuk in the United States. Check out the company’s passenger eTuks for shuttle and tour operator applications or its commercial eTuks for vending, delivery, or food truck applications


http://hs.etukusa.com/blog/etuk-usa-announces-the-first-street-legal-electric-tuk-tuks-in-the-united-states (http://hs.etukusa.com/blog/etuk-usa-announces-the-first-street-legal-electric-tuk-tuks-in-the-united-states)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 03, 2017, 06:45:52 pm
(https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1THRmLVXXXXXKXFXXq6xXFXXXo/220028121/HTB1THRmLVXXXXXKXFXXq6xXFXXXo.jpg)
This one is an all weather tuk-tuk but has the kind of shell I would like to see in an eTuk   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-2016-new-cabin-tuk-tuk_60426118686.html (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/china-2016-new-cabin-tuk-tuk_60426118686.html)

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 03, 2017, 08:32:50 pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2017/04/02/tesla-has-its-best-quarterly-production-and-deliveries-can-it-quintuple-them/#17c3140b776b (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2017/04/02/tesla-has-its-best-quarterly-production-and-deliveries-can-it-quintuple-them/#17c3140b776b)
Tesla Has Its Best Quarterly Production and Deliveries. Can It Quintuple Them?

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A Tesla Model S 90D electric sedan at the company's showroom in Hanam, Gyeonggi Province, South Korea. (SeongJoon Cho/Bloomberg)


Alan Ohnsman,  Forbes Staff

Thumbing a ride at the intersection of technology, autos and mobility

Tesla started 2017 with its best-ever quarterly vehicle production and delivery results, in line with the guidance given to shareholders earlier this year. While that’s a positive development, it’s a drop in the bucket compared to CEO Elon Musk’s goal of quintupling Tesla production to a half million units by 2018.

The Palo Alto, California-based company built 25,418 Model S sedans and Model X crossover vehicles in the quarter that ended March 31, Tesla said in a statement. That was slightly above its previous quarterly high of 25,185 in last year’s third quarter.

Global deliveries of Teslas, which often cost more than $100,000 each, totaled “a little bit more than 25,000,” or 69 percent better than in the first quarter of 2016, the company said. That included about 13,450 units of Model S and 11,550 of Model X. The figures issued April 2 are preliminary estimates that could vary by 0.5 percent from final results, Tesla said.

Musk raised more than $1.2 billion in a stock and debt sale last month to help fund costs related to producing the Model 3, Tesla’s first widely affordable electric car, with a promised base price of about $35,000.

Elon Musk speaks during a ceremony in Dubai in February. (KARIM SAHIB/AFP/Getty Images)
Recommended by Forbes

The youngest U.S. carmaker also got a vote of confidence last week when Chinese social media network giant Tencent revealed in a U.S. regulatory filing that it acquired a 5% stake in Tesla worth about $1.8 billion.

Ramping up production of the Model 3 sedan, which has a waiting list of about 400,000 people who each put down a $1,000 reservation fee, poses a considerable engineering challenge for the company. Equity analysts generally have mixed views on whether the new car will launch on schedule in the third quarter of 2017 and the likelihood of Tesla achieving an overall production rate of 500,000 vehicles per year in 2018 and 1 million annually in 2020.

Tesla is also still completing its sprawling $5 billion Gigafactory battery plant near Reno, Nevada, an essential ingredient to achieve Musk’s vision of vastly expanded production of lithium-ion cells needed for both vehicle battery packs and stationary power storage units paired with SolarCity solar panels.

Meanwhile, Musk is also pursuing grand plans for SpaceX to send humans into space next year, plotting the creation of a company dedicated to tunnel boring devices and another, Neuralink, to bolster the human brain with artificial intelligence. Oh, and he has to navigate with the impact of a new U.S. administration that's pursuing federal energy and environmental policies that are antithetical to his goals of weaning the world off of carbon-based energy,

Musk isn’t afraid to set highly ambitious goals for Tesla and has a history of pushing the company hard to achieve them. Whether he can transition Tesla from a highly valued niche brand into a true mass-market automaker remains to be seen, and will unfold over the next few quarters.

Alan Ohnsman covers the intersection of technology, autos and mobility. Follow him on Twitter and LinkedIn.
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 05, 2017, 06:44:35 pm
(https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/all/themes/clew/logo.png)

Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA)

Sales of e-cars almost double in March

Sales of e-cars in Germany almost doubled in March, according to statistics by the Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA).

 Registrations of new fully electric vehicles rose 98.5 percent year-on-year to 2.191 units (0.6 percent of total registrations), while plug-in hybrids went up 77.4 percent to 2.288 units (also a share of 0.6 percent).

New registrations of petrol cars increased 21.8 percent, while diesel sales fell 2.8 percent.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-e-car-sales-double-energiewende-sea
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 12, 2017, 08:30:25 pm
What if... we all drove electric vehicles? 

University of Canterbury   

https://youtu.be/9gRS7PK6TP0

Published on May 27, 2015

Dr Allan Miller, Director Electric Power Engineering Centre

Transport is a large contributor to New Zealand’s greenhouse gas emissions and most of these emissions are from light passenger vehicles. If we all drove electric vehicles, powered with renewable energy, we could reduce New Zealand’s greenhouse gas emissions significantly. However today most New Zealanders drive internal combustion engine cars and not all of our electricity generation is from renewable sources, which raises questions around whether we could convert our vehicle fleet to electric vehicles and whether this will actually reduce greenhouse gas emissions. On the other side of the argument, electric vehicles are readily available today. They’re becoming more affordable, and New Zealand has plenty of wind and geothermal renewable generation planned. This talk will look at the history of electric vehicles and their technology, and consider the impact on our electricity power system if we all drove electric vehicles. It will also touch on the environmental impacts for New Zealand and other countries from converting to electric vehicles, first-hand experience of owning an electric vehicle, and the need for skills and training in New Zealand to cope with the rise of new technologies in the electricity sector, which includes electric vehicles.

Dr Miller is the Director of the Electric Power Engineering Centre (EPECentre), a research centre that aims to promote and support the excellence in education and research of electric power engineering. He is also the Director of the GREEN Grid research programme, which is looking at integrating renewables and other new technology into the grid, and aspects of the ‘smart grid’. As Director of both the EPECentre and GREEN Grid, Dr Miller has a particular interest in new technologies, such as electric vehicles and photovoltaic solar power, the impact they will have on the electrical power system, and the need for training engineers to manage the power system and the transition to these new technologies. Allan holds a PhD and BE (Hons) in electrical and electronic engineering, and is a senior member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (SMIEEE) and a member of the Institution of Professional Engineers New Zealand (MIPENZ).
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 16, 2017, 03:04:27 pm
He did not provide any details, including when the truck would be available for purchase."

Or:

1- How much the Batt Pack for this Big Rig will cost and how often you need to replace it.

2- How much HP does the motor deliver and can it pull 40 tons over the Rocky Mountains?

3- Where the Charging Stations will be located and how long it will take to charge a truck for say 500 miles of driving on a given day?

Now, on #3 specifically, even at a high throughput, it's going to take an overnight charge minimum to get one of these suckers charged up to pull 40 tons of Beer or Paper rolls for 500 miles, and that's over flat land.  When I say high throughput, I am talking some big amps here, 50A Circuits I would say is minimum.  Doable for one or two trucks perhaps.

BUT, in a typical Truckstop where the Big Rig drivers refuel each day, there can be anywhere from 10 to a 1000 Trucks parked for the night!  Those truckstops would need to be pulling the power straight off the high voltage lines coming from the power plant and have their own transformers.  The amount of juice the Joplin Petro or the Iowa 80 Truckstop would pull down every night would dwarf even an Aluminum Refining plant!

(https://iowa80truckstop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Homepage_05.jpg)

(https://www.fueloyal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/10-Awesome-Facts-About-Iowa-80-Truck-Stop-8.jpg)

More Snake Oil from EM.  ::)

RE

Sorry RE, powering a super charging truck stop is child's play for Elon Musk or any electrical engineer. The amount of power needed is NOT the issue when you have high voltage power lines RUNNING BY THE ROADS to EVERY truck stop in the USA, as we already do. There is no "snake oil" in sending gargantuan amounts of power over high tension lines.  ;D

However, an easy solution around the truck stop thing is to electrify ALL the truck route roads. It was done for trolleys in cities 100 years ago. It can be done for large trucks that, unlike the trolleys, can run OFF the wires with batteries when they are at the delivery or pick up point.  Look Ma, NO FOSSIL FUELS! (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif)

ALL the range anxiety of battery systems VANISHES with this DOABLE solution. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)
SUNNY Happy face
 (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185701.png)

(https://www.scania.com/group/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/06/top-elv%C3%A4g-1760x770.jpg)

(https://gaadiwaadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Worlds-First-Electric-Road-Inaugurated-in-Sweden.jpg)

(http://www.fleet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/pow1.jpg)

(https://www.scania.com/group/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/13524-026.jpg)

And for the naysayers, one final OBVIOUS first step is to put overhead recharging truck parking areas AT ALL THE TRUCK STOPS before you fully electrify the main cargo roads. WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS 50 FORKING YEARS AGO!

THIS IS THE REASON WE DIDN'T:

(https://img.ifcdn.com/images/d273dcf4828ebb04f55f650ce7e7b61133f10a0bc872adf4b502fdebf24a20a4_1.jpg)

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 16, 2017, 04:36:42 pm
However, an easy solution around the truck stop thing is to electrify ALL the truck route roads. It was done for trolleys in cities 100 years ago. It can be done for large trucks that, unlike the trolleys, can run OFF the wires with batteries when they are at the delivery or pick up point.  Look Ma, NO FOSSIL FUELS!

If you electrified the entire interstate, it could work.  However, I don't think that is in EMs plan.  The overhead wires are to clunky a solution for EM anyhow.

You still would be using FFs or Nukes to generate the electricity, there isn't enough solar and wind capacity and it's too intermittent.


RE

That's a conditional statement. California generated over HALF of it's electricity from renewables March 11 and the percentage just keeps growing. The "intermittency" argument is a canard ever since mass production of battery storage and hydroelectric dam storage came to town.

If the decision was made to electrify the roads, by the time the infrastructure program was completed in 5 or ten years, fossil fuels and/or nukes would certainly NOT be needed to generate electricity. BUT, they would still be doing it BECAUSE of our bought and paid for clueless morons in the fossil fuel government.

I have my problems with Tesla but electric trucks make sense. I do not think generation one of an electric transport truck's first job would be long haul.  The obvious choice would be rejigging the industry for electric end point delivery.  Hubs located at logical end points of long haul routes just outside the congested areas.  Diesel for hub to hub electric for urban stop and go delivery.  The hubs would be natural spots for super charger stations as well.  If not Tesla someone else will figure it out.

EVs are somewhat more plausible for local deliveries than OTR. but you don't use Split Rigs for local work, you use 20-30' straight trucks.  In theory, you could run a logistics system using the rails and local delivery EVs running back and forth from rail hubs.  That is more plausible.  Even so though, the power draw on the local grid to pull that stunt off would be incredible.

EM isn't proposing any of that though.  He's proposing substituting EV Tractors for the current diesel ones.  That is how I read it anyhow.

RE


CFS would tell folks that diesel/electric like the railroads employ is the optimum power source until free energy is released
to the public domain. However when you have psychopathic baby killers running the show this is what we get.

I wonder how big of a puff of smoke those lithium batteries would make when a big rig erupts in JJF flames ?


CFS would have eliminated diesel long ago and used the hybrid natural gas/electric big rig with a generator charging the battery bank. They're already out there, you know. AND, with the newly patented E-CEM process that makes hydrocarbon FUELS from sea water, you can make all the CARBON NEUTRAL hydrocarbons you need WITHOUT EVER using fossil fuels.   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)

Device patented last year makes fuel from sea water (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/renewables/hydcrocarbons-from-seawater-(carbon-neutral)-for-less-than-$3-a-gallon!/msg6869/#msg6869)  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)

Also, as to "exploding lithium battery systems":  ::)

Do ya think it would be more "fun" than THIS? :

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K6hQ-Uutq4k/maxresdefault.jpg)

(http://graysondemocrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/end-oil.jpg) 


WITHOUT GASOLINE, THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN:

Quote
U.S. fire departments responded to an estimated average of 152,300 automobile fires per year in 2006-2010. These fires caused an average of 209 civilian deaths, 764 civilian injuries, and $536 million in direct property damage. Automobile fires were involved in 10% of reported U.S. fires, 6% of U.S. fire deaths.
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 21, 2017, 06:21:31 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RTdDzSVHCAM

Did the driver of the auto turn into the rear wheel on tandems & get hooked that way. ???
How does this happen?
  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1730.gif)


The only way I can picture it is if the Big Rig driver made a left lane change and wasn't watching what his tandems were doing or what was happening in his side mirror.  The guy in the car was behind him trying to pass when the rig driver pulled to the left lane.  Car hits trailer and gets hooked.

Far as Cajon Pass goes, its one of the longest steep grades out there.  There are some steeper grades in the Appalachians, but none as long as Cajon.  If you got any weight at all in the trailer, it's a very LOOONG and tedious trip up the hill in low gear doing 5-10 mph.  On the way down, its a brake SMOKER, and that is with running the Jake Brake full out, which sounds like you are in a War Zone and NATO is dropping the Death from Above. (Jake Brakes are an engine braking system that put back pressure on the cyclinders, BLAP BLAP BLAP!)

This would have been a **** load worse going down the hill.  :o

RE


 (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/thankyou.gif) for the info.   

When they get electric big rigs, these steep grades won't burn brakes because the motor itself will slow the rig without any "BLAP, BLAP" (no cylinders, of course  ;D) and boost battery life at the same time. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp) I expect the trailers on electric rigs will be modified to include some regenerative breaking gizmo to extend battery life AND brake life too.

Yes, regenerative electric braking would be silent, and you would need electromagnets on the hubs of the trailer wheels as well.

Two problems.

First on the way UP the hill, no Batt storage system could hold enough juice to pull 40 tons up that grade without the Batt pack itself being enormous.  So you would need your electrified overhead trolley wires for this.

Second, on the way DOWN the hill, those electromagnets would get **** HOT!  The energy has to be dissipated as heat.  So you have a similar problem as with mechanical brakes, they get too hot and they smoke out on you.

RE

Good points. However, I think the heat buildup with regenerative braking systems is much less than with disk or brake pad in-your-face FRICTION. I don't have any stats with me off the top of my head, but hot brakes get a lot hotter than hot magnets. A large portion of the energy that is converted to heat with brakes is used to juice the battery bank on regenerative brake systems.

So, since manual brakes convert ALL the stopping energy to heat and regenerative brakes convert only a portion of the stopping energy to heat, I would think you have a heat load that is lower, all things being equal, with regenerative braking than you do with friction braking.

As you know, when magnets begin to heat, they lose magnetism gradually (as the heat increases) along with the ability to induce current and voltage. So, they have a sort of physics governor on how hot they can get that friction brakes do not have.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185701.png)


At a certain point, the heat in magnets is such that they cannot induce current because their magnetism is zip. At that moment, they stop getting hotter and begin to cool.

As soon as they get to a temperature that they can output a significant magnetic field again, they start to get hot, which weakens the magnetic field and the amount of induced current, and so on and so forth.

Have you read any articles on comparisons that I could read? I'm sure the technology will improve, but I'm interested in the state of the art as it is now.  8)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 21, 2017, 07:29:31 pm
Quote
Did the driver of the auto turn into the rear wheel on tandems & get hooke that way.
How does this happen????

The only way I can picture it is if the Big Rig driver made a left lane change and wasn't watching what his tandems were doing or what was happening in his side mirror.  The guy in the car was behind him trying to pass when the rig driver pulled to the left lane.  Car hits trailer and gets hooked.

Far as Cajon Pass goes, its one of the longest steep grades out there.  There are some steeper grades in the Appalachians, but none as long as Cajon.  If you got any weight at all in the trailer, it's a very LOOONG and tedious trip up the hill in low gear doing 5-10 mph.  On the way down, its a brake SMOKER, and that is with running the Jake Brake full out, which sounds like you are in a War Zone and NATO is dropping the Death from Above. (Jake Brakes are an engine braking system that put back pressure on the cyclinders, BLAP BLAP BLAP!)

This would have been a **** load worse going down the hill.  :o

RE

 (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/thankyou.gif) for the info.   

When they get electric big rigs, these steep grades won't burn brakes because the motor itself will slow the rig without any "BLAP, BLAP" (no cylinders, of course  ;D) and boost battery life at the same time.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)
 I expect the trailers on electric rigs will be modified to include some regenerative breaking gizmo to extend battery life AND brake life too.

Yes, regenerative electric braking would be silent, and you would need electromagnets on the hubs of the trailer wheels as well.

Two problems.

First on the way UP the hill, no Batt storage system could hold enough juice to pull 40 tons up that grade without the Batt pack itself being enormous.  So you would need your electrified overhead trolley wires for this.

Second, on the way DOWN the hill, those electromagnets would get **** HOT!  The energy has to be dissipated as heat.  So you have a similar problem as with mechanical brakes, they get too hot and they smoke out on you.

RE

Good points. However, I think the heat buildup with regenerative braking systems is much less than with disk or brake pad in-your-face FRICTION. I don't have any stats with me off the top of my head, but hot brakes get a lot hotter than hot magnets. A large portion of the energy that is converted to heat with brakes is used to juice the battery bank on regenerative brake systems.

So, since manual brakes convert ALL the stopping energy to heat and regenerative brakes convert only a portion of the stopping energy to heat, I would think you have a heat load that is lower, all things being equal, with regenerative braking than you do with friction braking.

As you know, when magnets begin to heat, they lose magnetism gradually (as the heat increases) along with the ability to induce current and voltage. So, they have a sort of physics governor on how hot they can get that friction brakes do not have.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185701.png)

At a certain point, the heat in magnets is such that they cannot induce current because their magnetism is zip. At that moment, they stop getting hotter and begin to cool.

As soon as they get to a temperature that they can output a significant magnetic field again, they start to get hot, which weakens the magnetic field and the amount of induced current, and so on and so forth.

Have you read any articles on comparisons that I could read? I'm sure the technology will improve, but I'm interested in the state of the art as it is now.   8)


Below is an article on the topic.

When I visited the Ewz manufacturer we discussed regenerative braking (I was interested in whether his units were designed to do this).  It has a lot of problems, and the efficiency is low, maybe 20% recovery possible.  The motors aren't designed to work the other way as generators.

The bigger problem with Big Rigs pulling a heavy load is that the throughput would be so big on the downhill.  You would need much thicker and heavier wiring to handle the current passing through the wires.  The batts also not designed to take so much juice so fast.  On a Big Rig with 40 tons going down Cajon Pass, I suspect the magnets would overheat in the first few minutes.

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http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2016/ph240/brown1/ (http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2016/ph240/brown1/)

Regenerative Braking Efficiency
Matthew Brown
November 20, 2016
Submitted as coursework for PH240, Stanford University, Fall 2016
Everyday Driving
Fig. 1: An electric truck with regenerative braking capability, made by Smith Electric Vehicles. (Source: Wikimedia Commons)

We spend spend a huge amount of energy on transportation, and on automobiles in particular. Outside of the minor side effect of giving us unprecedented freedom of movement and enabling much of our way of life, all of that energy is "wasted". If a driver burns a tank of gasoline traveling from San Francisco to Los Angeles, 100% of the energy in the gasoline will be converted to heat and not useful for other work. Much of this energy will be converted to heat in the internal combustion engine during the combustion process, a thermodynamically required inefficiency that is the price of admission for use of heat engines. Some will be lost to friction in the drivetrain, but some of the energy in the gasoline will be converted to kinetic energy of the vehicle, the intended purpose. Whenever the driver brakes the vehicle to a stop, all of the kinetic energy of the vehicle will be converted to heat by the brakes. The idea of regenerative braking is capture some of that kinetic energy and store it, instead of discarding it as heat.
Regenerative Braking

This idea of capturing kinetic energy is not new, implementations of electrical regenerative braking have existed since at least 1906. [1] Electrical regenerative braking typically involves a vehicle propelled by an electric motor from a battery, such as the truck in Fig. 1, with the possible addition of an internal combustion engine for hybrids. If the wheels and axles of the car do work on the motor (instead of the other way around), the motor acts as a generator and energy flows back to the battery. There are other methods of recovering kinetic energy; for several years beginning in 2009, Formula One teams used flywheels to store kinetic energy. This idea has not been as popular as electrical regenerative braking, for both safety and implementation difficulty.
Efficiency

A conventional passenger internal combustion engine has an efficiency of about 0.12-0.20. [2] That is, only about 20% of the energy in the gasoline is converted to kinetic energy of the vehicle. This is dominated by the engine efficiency. In contrast, electric motors are quite efficient. While induction motors (IM) have an efficiency ranging from 0.65 to 0.94 (for urban vs highway driving scenarios), permanent magnet AC motors are even more efficient, reaching 0.83 to 0.95 for the same scenarios. [3] So speaking strictly of efficiency, the ratio of work out of the engine/motor to the energy in, there is a big benefit to using electric motors, which lend themselves naturally to electrical regenerative braking. While the efficiency is generally high for electric motors, it does change with both speed and torque. Fig. 2 displays the efficiency of the electric motor/inverter combination used by Sterkenburg et al, showing that efficiency can drop off when the system is operating near maximum torque at low speeds. [4]
Fig. 2: Efficiency for a given induction motor/inverter combination. Efficiency is dependent on operating conditions. (Source: M. Brown, after Van Sterkenburg et al. [5])
Limitations and Capabilities

To consider the efficiency of a vehicle including regenerative braking, we should consider its limitations. First, if the drive motor is being used as a generator, it is restricted by the same power limits as when it is acting as a motor. This is an problem because vehicles typically can brake much harder (with much more power) with conventional, friction- based brakes then they can accelerate forward; a vehicle regenerative braking alone will have less braking capability than a vehicle with friction-based brakes. It seems unlikely that vehicles will forego conventional brakes anytime soon. Braking power is not only limited by the motor's power rating, but by the charging power limit of the battery pack. This limit depends on the battery type (chemical composition) and changes with temperature. [5] This makes analyzing the braking power capability difficult, as a vehicle may be able to regen-brake at full power for a short period of time (a few seconds), but as the temperatures of the battery pack and inverter rise, the braking power will quickly fall. While real-world benefit may vary depending on the scenario, some simulations show that regen braking reduces external energy consumption by a little over 20% in urban driving situations. [4]

While it makes sense to attempt to recover kinetic energy for later driving, the exact amount of energy, and the rate of energy, that can be recovered is dependent on both the myriad of available motor, inverter, and battery types, and the driving scenario.


© Matthew Brown. The author grants permission to copy, distribute and display this work in unaltered form, with attribution to the author, for noncommercial purposes only. All other rights, including commercial rights, are reserved to the author.
References

[1] A. Raworth, "Regenerative Control of Electric Tramcars and Locomotives," J. Inst. Electr. Eng. 38, 374 (1907).

[2] "Tires and Passenger Vehicle Fuel Economy, Transportation Research Board of the U.S. National Research Council, Special Report 286, 2006.

[3] J. W. Schultz and S. Huard, "Comparing AC Induction with Permanent Magnet Motors in Hybrid Vehicles and the Impact on the Value Proposition, Parker Motion, 2013.

[4] S. Van Sterkenburg et al., "Analysis of Regenerative Braking Efficiency - A Case Study of Two Electric Vehicles Operating in the Rotterdam Area," IEEE 6043109, 6 Sep 11.

[5] K. Smith and C.-Y. Wang, "Power and Thermal Characterization of a Lithium-Ion Battery Pack For Hybrid-Electric Vehicles," J. Power Sources 160, 662 (2006)

Thank you.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)  I see that Regenerative braking needs some significant improvements for really heavy loads.  :(
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 23, 2017, 01:39:43 pm
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Sanitov's movE electric cargo trike costs $1595 and can haul 440 pounds  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

SNIPPET:

Based on the style of a Chinese cargo bike, but incorporating Scandinavian design, this electric tricycle could go a long way toward living a car-free lifestyle.

One of the key elements for transitioning more people into a car-free or low-car lifestyle is having a bike that can carry larger loads, whether those loads are stuff or people, so that more local trips that require cargo space can be covered by bicycle. Cargo bikes fit that requirement, but riding (and balancing) a load on a two wheeler can be challenging for some people, in which case a Dutch-style two-wheeled bakfiets may not be the best choice, but a three-wheeled cargo bike might just fit the bill. The stability of a tricycle, when combined with the pickup-like hauling capacity of a cargo bike and the power of an electric drive system, may make it possible for more people to replace many car trips with a cleaner transport option.

Sanitov Bicycles, founded by a Danish designer but based in London, has just launched its new entry into the urban e-mobility market, an electric cargo trike dubbed movE. This e-trike is well-positioned as an affordable option for covering ground in the city or suburbs with a combination of pedal and electric power, while also enabling the hauling a total of about 200kg (~440 lb) of stuff (or people) in its rear cargo area. At a discounted early-bird pricing option of just $1595, the cost is much lower than many of the other electric cargo bikes on the market, and the movE could be a gateway to bike-based living without sacrificing carrying capacity.


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Full article with specs:


https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/sanitov-electric-cargo-bike.html


Agelbert NOTE: I like it but I think the all weather e-tuk is more convincing to the average American (who wants an EV).  ;D

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 26, 2017, 06:10:59 pm
My whole point in posting this newz item on flying carz is this:

If every Yeah-Who & George Jetson Wanna'bee thinks there going to pony up the necessary funds
to own a toy to zip around town in like it's a convertible musclecar on steroids, they frickin' dreamin'.

The FAA's gotta' be all over this FAD like a cheap suit.

Can you imagine the **** mayhem this mode of transportation will bring ?


https://youtu.be/4h0Qvc6_MfQ

https://youtu.be/5r3kpl5Ao5s

As a pilot I can tell you this type of flying machine is, and always has been, a great idea.
WHY? Because you need a lot more power to get to altitude than to stay there. For example, if I really had to extend the range of a twin engine aircraft (I never did have this situation, but it was in the range stats), all I had to do was shut down one engine and feather the prop at altitude. Yes, the velocity would be reduced. BUT, the RANGE (i.e. fuel used per mile of flight) would be REDUCED.

THEN, there is the fact that all the airport infrastructure doesn't have to be built and this type of electric flying machine is the best logical option for a DEMOCRATIC society.

And that is why the point AZ brings up, and the dude from that U.S. University about "regulatory" hurdles  ;), is valid. The FAA will stop this dead in its tracks, NOT because it isn't "impractical" or "unsafe". A BRS system on a small VTOL can save your arse on any engine failure. A BRS system is a ballistic fired shute that looks like a mortar. I had them on ultralights 30 years ago. They aren't practical on larger aircraft but they are old hat for small flying machines.

As AZ alluded to, and I will explain in detail, the ability to fly from point A to point B in our fascist paradise is RIGIDLY controlled by our gooberment. THAT is why we've got GATES to the skies called airports. The gooberment does not want citizens to be able to fly hither and yon without having to go through the capitalist/fascist GATE structure. The elites don't CARE about that because the whole thing is built for them! Did you know you can go STRAIGHT to fancy resorts in the Dominican Republic from the U.S. WITHOUT going through customs at either end? Well yeah, you CAN if you are RICH and have an executive jet available. The LAWS are not for them, boys and girls.


Very well put AG.

Don't get me wrong, sign me up for one of these 4th Reichstag's windup plastic run-abouts, there cool as ****.

I'm seasoned, AG's seasoned. We both possess a ticket to ride. I'm not current at this point in time. 30 days of
review in reg's, weather, sim time, left seat with an instructor & whaa-la I'm a Legal Eagle again. Oh, yeah & the medical.  :icon_mrgreen:

SOOOOOO, it's complicated & for "1st timers" that's a BIG hurdle.
The point is, the ego is being tickled & the brain is in the caboose. Eye candy with big consequences.
If you'll notice in the vid, no one was aboard. That was a big boy toy drone test flight. These cats haven't even
received GOOBERmint approval to have a test pilot flight yet.

I'll take a Cherokee 6, an attractive female hostage, leave Lauderdale airspace & head to little Guana Cay for lunch.
 

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So, you've flown a six? I put quite a few hours into those birds way back when. Here's a short war story from my air taxi rat days:

It was the San Juan to Vieques flight in a 260 hp Cherokee six sometime in 1969. The folks that lived in Vieques would fly to San Juan and buy stuff to take back to their island (half of it - the other half was routinely being blown to smithereens as a bomb fun and games place for the Navy and Marines - it looked like the moon  :P).

Vieques islanders were  sort of country bumpkins to the average cosmopolitan San Juan dweller. Country folks are very practical and aren't real particular about appearances.  ;D On this particular flight I had some people carrying sacks of potatoes (I eyed these carefully when I did my weight and balance  ;)) and a lady that had some live and healthy (and noisy) chickens. I can't imagine why, but country folks also smell a bit ripe on a hot day in the tropics... Perhaps it's fear of flying that makes them perspire a bit more than normal, but I was always glad for my tiny flip down pilot seat window...  :D

Well we, took off and encountered a lot of wind noise. (http://yoursmiles.org/psmile/pilot/p0502.gif) I called the tower at the international airport 5 miles east of my air taxi base (Isla Grande airport) and asked for a touch and go, which they approved. It seems the latch over the door had not sealed the door properly.  I had a friend riding in the right seat (he wasn't a pilot) and I asked him to see if he could force the door open a bit and then try to pull it closed again (we are in flight approaching the international airport at this time). He did that (sound of torrent of air going by at 150 mph) and the lady with the chickens screamed. The chickens weren't too happy about that either.  :D

It didn't work. So, we landed, slowed down and did that again until we got that silly latch to catch right. Without ever coming to a stop, we just took off again and flew east over the north coast of Puerto Rico and then southeast to the island of Vieques.

The landing was "routine" but I should explain to you what that entailed at Vieques. They have a weird runway there.  :P The runway, when you are landing going east (which is almost always) is much higher than the other end. To further complicate matters, the runway elevation goes UP after the threshold before it starts to go DOWN.

All that is a great advantage when you are taking off but a bit tricky when you are landing. AZ, you obviously know about ground effect and low wing aircraft fun and games. A runway sloping down hill is a ground effect nightmare that can lead you to overrun the runway if you don't watch it!

I don't know if you have ever flown a FULLY LOADED TO THE GILLS Cherokee six. They are very squirrelly on landing. You know that the normal drill is to round out and then flare out, right? Well that would result in way to much FLOAT at Vieques.

So, I came up with a trick to deal with that.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png) I would establish approach speed at a fixed pitch attitude. That's right, I would NOT flare. I would bring her over the threshold watching for the slight runway rise just before the downhill part started WITH MY HAND ON THE FLAP HANDLE (I had full flaps at this time, of course  8)). As I reached the bump I would lower the flaps to touch the main wheels without any pitch change and remove all flaps and hit the toe brakes. It worked like a charm. The people, potatoes and chickens all arrived safely.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185701.png) (http://yoursmiles.org/psmile/pilot/p0503.gif)

I taught a few other pilots to do that and they said, HEY, it works! Flaps are just supposed to be there to steepen the glide path on approach when you apply them, not when you remove them, so we all agreed the FAA would not understand our cool trick and that we would never tell the feds about it. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)

Getting back to the Electric Airplane subject, most people are not aware that aircraft internal combustion engines mostly fail when you are at full power, which happens to be when you are taking off and need that engine the most. Electric motors, can fail at any time. But when they do, it's almost always temperature related. Which means they will rarely fail on take off because they are fresh! For large EV flying machines, having a bunch of motors will make them far more reliable than internal combustion or even jet engines (less moving parts to fail).

I can imagine the FAA coming up with some BULLSHIT about having to learn engine motor out procedure for 30 different configurations on an Electric bird with 30 motors just to keep anybody from ever being able to check out in it. That's what they do.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 26, 2017, 07:37:23 pm
Electric cars are coming fast -- and that’s not just the opinion of carmakers anymore. Total SA, one of the world’s biggest oil producers, is now saying EVs may constitute almost a third of new-car sales by the end of the next decade.

The surge in battery powered vehicles will cause demand for oil-based fuels to peak in the 2030s, Total Chief Energy Economist Joel Couse said at Bloomberg New Energy Finance’s conference in New York on Tuesday. EVs will make up 15 percent to 30 percent of new vehicles by 2030, after which fuel “demand will flatten out,” Couse said. “Maybe even decline.”

Couse’s projection for electric cars is the highest yet by a major oil company and exceeds BNEF’s own forecast, said Colin McKerracher, head of advanced transport analysis at Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

“That’s big,” McKerracher said. “That’s by far the most aggressive we’ve seen by any of the majors."

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Source: Bloomberg New Energy Finance

Other oil companies have been trimming their long-term forecasts for oil demand. Royal Dutch Shell Plc Chief Executive Officer Ben van Beurden said in March that oil demand may peak in the late 2020s. It set up a business unit to identify the clean technologies where it could be most profitable.

Electric cars are beginning to compete with gasoline models on both price and performance. The most expensive part of an electric car is the battery, which can make up half the total cost, according to BNEF. The first electric cars to be competitive on price have been in the luxury class, led by Tesla Inc.’s Model S, which is now the best-selling large luxury car in the U.S.

But battery prices are dropping by about 20 percent a year, and automakers have been spending billions to electrify their fleets. Volkswagen AG is targeting 25 percent of its sales to be electric by 2025. Toyota Motor Corp. plans to phase out fossil fuels altogether by 2050.

Electric cars currently make up about 1 percent of global vehicle sales, but traditional carmakers are preparing for transformation. In 2018, Volkswagen plows into electrification with an Audi SUV and the first high-speed U.S. charging network to rival Tesla’s Superchargers. Tata Motors Ltd.’s Jaguar and Volvo Cars both have promising cars on the way too, and by 2020, the avalanche really begins, with Mercedes-Benz, VW, General Motors Co. and others releasing dozens of new models.

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“By 2020 there will be over 120 different models of EV across the spectrum,” said Michael Liebreich, founder of Bloomberg New Energy Finance. “These are great cars. They will make the internal combustion equivalent look old fashioned.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-25/electric-car-boom-seen-triggering-peak-oil-demand-in-2030s (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-25/electric-car-boom-seen-triggering-peak-oil-demand-in-2030s)

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on April 27, 2017, 07:17:14 pm
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Renault ZOE

Another Milestone For Renault: 100,000th Leased Electric Vehicle Battery  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/8.gif)

March 28th, 2017 by Cynthia Shahan


https://cleantechnica.com/2017/03/28/another-milestone-renault-100000th-leased-electric-vehicle-battery/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 01, 2017, 06:36:05 pm
The Electric Vehicle Disruption - End Of Oil by 2030 
https://youtu.be/E7Jg1IJ68_g

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Published on Apr 4, 2016

Tony Seba's Clean Disruption Keynote presentation at the Swedbank Nordic Energy Summit in Oslo, Norway, March 17th, 2016.

The keynote, based on the book 'Clean Disruption of Energy and Transportation' assert that four technology categories will disrupt energy and transportation by:
1- Batteries / Energy Storage
2- Electric Vehicles
3- Self-Driving Vehicles
4- Solar Energy

The outcome of the Clean Disruption is that by 2030
• All new vehicles will be electric.
• All new vehicles will be autonomous (self-driving).
• Oil will be obsolete.
• Coal, natural gas and nuclear will be obsolete.
• 80+ per cent of parking spaces will be obsolete.
• Individual car ownership will be obsolete.
• All new energy will be provided by solar (and wind)

Clean Disruption is a technology disruption. Just like digital cameras disrupted film and the web disrupted publishing, Clean Disruption is inevitable and it will be swift.

Copyright © 2016 by Tony Seba
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 02, 2017, 02:58:02 pm
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EV interior BYD e5

City of Loja (Ecuador) Purchases 30 All-Electric BYD e5 “EcoTaxis”   (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

May 2nd, 2017 by Kyle Field

BYD has rolled out the largest fleet of electric taxis in Ecuador, thanks to the City of Loja purchasing 30 BYD e5 taxis. (picture at article link)

The purchase of the electric taxis was initiated by a local community-driven effort that secured government funding to finance the purchase. The community-driven effort speaks to deep environmental roots in the Loja region, which initiated a recycling program in the 1990s and more recently an installation of wind turbines to generate clean, renewable electricity.

The Mayor of Loja, Bolivar Castillo, took a moment to thank the activists in the community for their efforts to connect the electric taxi idea, BYD, and local leaders in an effort to catalyze the adoption of the “Eco Taxi.”

“This demonstrates that the people of Loja are not afraid to try new things. Cities like ours will pave the way for others to follow.”

BYD Business Manager of BYD E-Motors Ecuador, Jorge Burbano, shared a similar sentiment while also noting strong support from local government and financial officials in the region:

“The strong support from the government and the development bank Corporación Financiera Nacional shows united effort to create a sustainable living environment. We are impressed by their conviction and perseverance to make EcoTaxis a reality.”

When Ecuador signed the Paris Agreement on climate change, it was fully committed to deliver on its promises. The purchase of the 30 BYD e5s for use as taxis are a meaningful step in that direction and results in a direct reduction in emissions, especially since 43.6% of Ecuador’s electricity is generated from renewable sources  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif).

Ecuador’s electricity mix has been transforming over the last few decades and now sits with 42% of its power capacity coming from hydropower and another ~13% coming from wind, solar, biomass, and steam turbines. In parallel to the conversion to renewables, Ecuador has invested heavily in its high-voltage transmission infrastructure, which opens up options in other regions and supports the intermittent nature of renewables. (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)

This latest integration of these 30 BYD e5s into Loja is merely the latest of many around the world. It continues to lead the charge for plug-in vehicles for mass transit and fleet applications, which, while they see less attention from global mainstream media, are making an important impact on emissions around the world. BYD’s buses eliminate noxious diesel emissions in some of the most densely populated cities in the world, while BYD e5 and e6 taxis eliminate non value-add idling that is so common amongst taxis in cities.

Ecuador may be the latest country in Latin America to take a step towards a renewable future, but it is impressive to note that every country in Latin America signed the Paris Agreement.

The video below provides an overview of the installation (in Spanish  ;D).

https://youtu.be/opSartnPkik


https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/02/ecuador-city-buys-30-byd-e5s/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 03, 2017, 07:53:14 pm
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#Cars

Forsa / dpa

Survey: Diesel car drivers ponder switch

Only two in five diesel car drivers plan to stick with the technology when buying their next car, while the rest are unsure or want to switch to an alternative drive, according to a survey by pollster forsa, reports news agency dpa. Most respondents said they would buy a petrol-fuelled car (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183337.bmp), while pure e-cars were not very popular, writes dpa.

For more information, see the CLEW dossier The Energiewende and German carmakers.

 

#Business & Jobs #Cars #Technology

Bild am Sonntag (BamS) / Deutsche See

Deutsche See snags Post’s electric Scooter

German postal service Deutsche Post has found the first major customer for its in-house produced electric vehicle Street Scooter, Florian Zerfass writes in weekly Bild am Sonntag (BamS). Fish wholesaler Deutsche See is buying 80 scooters for distributing its products in Germany’s inner cities, Zerfass writes.

Deutsche See CEO Egbert Miebach told BamS he had been trying to reduce his company’s CO2 emissions for years and bought 500 VW cars with allegedly climate-friendly diesel technology in 2010. After VW’s diesel emissions fraud scandal emerged in 2015, Deutsche See sued the carmaker for almost twelve million euros in damages.
Deutsche Post recently announced plans to double the production capacity of its Street Scooter to 20,000, making it the country’s largest e-car producer. Deutsche See’s scooter will be the first electric van with a modern cooling system, partly powered by a PV membrane on the car’s roof  ;D, the company said in a press release.

For background, see the CLEW factsheet Dieselgate forces VW to embrace green mobility.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/blockchain-battery-revolution-diesel-drivers-ponder-switch
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 06, 2017, 01:03:09 pm
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New Solar Plane  Completes First Test Flight in Switzerland
   
May 5, 2017

By Jennifer Delony  Associate Editor

Pictures and video!  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/8.gif)

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2017/05/new-solar-plane-completes-first-test-flight-in-switzerland.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 06, 2017, 01:17:07 pm
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Renault ZOE

Unstoppable Zoe (European EV Sales Report)

May 6th, 2017 by Jose Pontes

SNIPPET:

The European EV market had 29,000 registrations in March, up 30% over the same month last year, making it the third best month ever, only behind the incentive-inflated Decembers of 2015 (34,000) and 2016 (30,000). At this pace, the European EV market is set to reach the 300,000 units milestone by year end. Furthermore the EV market share now coasts at a record 1.5%.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/06/unstoppable-zoe-european-ev-sales-report/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 09, 2017, 02:29:09 pm
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rEVolution (Video)  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)

May 9th, 2017 by Zachary Shahan

https://youtu.be/1rqtKc0AWXM

Great article (VERY hard hitting!) included with above video:

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/09/revolution/

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https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/09/revolution/

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 11, 2017, 09:37:32 pm
5 Reasons To Buy An Electric Car

https://youtu.be/ysHpmrwsEsY

Published on Apr 3, 2016

5 Reasons To Buy An Electric Car. Driving the 2016 Nissan Leaf, I discuss the many benefits of driving an electric vehicle. The instant torque and peak torque from 0 RPM, the incredibly low maintenance (tire rotations and cabin filter changes), the incredible efficiency (about 3x the efficiency of an ICE vehicle), the convenience of charging, and the affordability of leasing an electric car.

Related Videos
Nissan Leaf Review - https://youtu.be/KovdnzywQbs
Free Car? - https://youtu.be/NCdLFhUmubc
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 16, 2017, 02:42:53 pm
Vehicle-To-Grid Discharge, Even At Constant Power, Is Detrimental To EV Battery Performance, Study Finds  :(

May 16th, 2017 by James Ayre

SNIPPET:

There have long been critics of the idea of widespread use of electric vehicle (EV) vehicle-to-grid (V2G) technologies for a variety of reasons, but largely in relation to the potential damage done to EV batteries, and thus reduced battery lifespan.

New research from the Hawaii Natural Energy Institute at the University of Hawaii at Manoa seems to clearly support this assertion — the extra cycling that accompanies use of an EV battery for grid balancing, even when at constant power, reduces EV battery cell performance significantly.

To be more specific, the use of an EV with V2G tech could reduce the working lifespan of an EV battery pack to under 5 years time, according to the new work.  :(  :P

The researchers note, though, that simply delaying the charging of EVs as a means of balancing the grid would have only a “negligible” effect on EV batteries, and could thus represent a better option. However, this could prove to not be the case in environments warmer than “room temperature.”

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V2G Battery Degradation

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https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/16/vehicle-grid-discharge-even-constant-power-detrimental-ev-battery-performance-study-finds/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/16/vehicle-grid-discharge-even-constant-power-detrimental-ev-battery-performance-study-finds/)

Agelbert COMMENT: Well, provided this is true, EV car manufacturers should use common sense and join with electric Utilities to offer EV car buyers a 10 year guarantee, WITHOUT ANY ADDED CHARGES, for replacing the used battery pack with a new one. I make the caveat about "no added charges" because the fun and games on the average lead acid battery "guarantee" is, and always was, a rip off.

Avoiding peaking costs is well worth the 10 year battery pack guarantee. In fact, if we had a sane government, they would REMOVE all the fossil fuel "subsidies" and, instead provide EV battery pack 10 year guarantee subsidies as a matter of National Security grid stability.

But common sense and logic in regard to renewable energy is rather difficult for the United Petro-States of America. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gaah.gif)



Fossil fueler shows up with the old "not ready for prime time" baloney disguised as prudent advice: (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png)

wattleberry  (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9HT4xZyDmh4/TOHhxzA0wLI/AAAAAAAAEUk/oeHDS2cfxWQ/s200/Smiley_Angel_Wings_Halo.jpg)

A useful warning to users of today's batteries but of limited relevance to their successors which, if anything, will be encouraged by the disclosure of another flaw awaiting correction in a key component of a product which is still at a very early stage of evolution.

agelbert > wattleberry  

Like what, the tendrils that grow and short them? We know about that. The battery development is quite mature, thank you very much. It's the fossil fuel polluting machine called an internal combustion engine that never got past the profit over people and planet stage. Gas stations will soon go the way of the dodo bird too.

The only issue with batteries of any significance that needs improvement is rapid replacement technology. We NOW have access to electricity in FAR more places than we have access to gasoline. All we need is a small "spare" battery pack that can take us home or too a quick pack replacement location nearby if our main battery pack fails.


eveee  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)

 
This discussion needs more clarity. People are defining whats better in odd ways. How do we define it? By how much the EV owner saves in retail electricity costs vs how much the value of the car is reduced by battery degeneration?

I tend to feel V2G doesn't make sense, because a car is not just a battery. However, when the battery is used more, the value of the car reduces.

If you want V2G, get a PowerWall instead. Then you are only reducing the value of the PowerWall, not the car.

A PowerWall is 6500. A Model S is > 65000. 10x.

Now on the other hand, we are only looking at one storage scenario, load shifting.

Already, California is starting a demand response program that pays users not to use electricity during peaks and allow the utility to dial back demand when it needs to.

That is an area for an EV owner to benefit by allowing charging to be controlled or timed to miss expensive peak demand times. That makes total sense. (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)



Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on May 30, 2017, 02:53:59 pm
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Renault Zoe Hiccups, But Remains #1 (Europe Electric Car Sales Report)

May 30th, 2017 by Jose Pontes

SNIPPET:

Looking at the monthly model ranking:

#1 Renault Zoe – Due to some quality glitches, the deliveries of some 2,000 Zoe were delayed, hurting April’s performance of the French hatchback, which last month only landed 1,627 registrations, its worst result of the year. But that was still enough to win Europe’s monthly best seller status for the fourth month in a row. Due to these production hiccups, the model’s performance suffered across Europe, from its home market (939 registrations, down 5%) to Austria (96, down 2%). Nevertheless, it somehow managed to grow in the all-important German market (280 registrations, up 27%).

#2 BMW i3 – The German hot hatch had its worst-selling month in Europe since the massive arrival of the 33 kWh battery, with 1,562 cars being delivered. Despite this, deliveries were up 27% year over year (YoY), with good numbers especially in Norway (426 registrations), all of them being fully electrics(!), but also in its home Germany (357), the United Kingdom (195), and Austria (93). Looking ahead, expect deliveries to slowly drop throughout the summer as people anticipate the revised version, coming later in the year.

#3 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV – After a tight race with the BMW i3, the Japanese SUV ended March in 3rd place (1,507 registrations, down 15% YoY). Despite reaching interesting sales levels in important markets, like Germany (294 units) or Norway (222 units), Mitsubishi will have a hard time finding a replacement for UK sales — incentives for PHEVs have now become much less appealing there.

#4 Nissan Leaf – Thanks to deep discounting, the ageing hatch is resisting a wipeout from the newer offerings, reaching 4th place despite registrations going down 31% YoY to 1,326 units. With steady sales in its stronghold markets — like Norway (287 units), the United Kingdom (350), and France (198) — and a surprising performance in Sweden (189 units, a new record), the veteran model is keeping momentum by appealing to a new demographic still untapped by EVs: Bargain Hunters.

#5 Mercedes GLC350e – The (not so big) surprise of the month came from the Mercedes GLC350e. This trendy Mercedes model is in the intersection of two hot trends on the Old Continent: SUVs and plug-ins, all served in a Euro-friendlier size than the yacht-like models above it (Tesla Model X, Volvo XC90 …). The GLC350e landed #5 in April with 961 registrations. The largest markets for the Mercedes SUV were Belgium (204 units, new record), Norway (179 units), and Germany (126). The three-pointed star has hit a homerun with this model, especially considering that it doesn’t have direct competition among the premium brands. (Well, perhaps not a homerun in Europe — maybe a hat trick.)

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/30/renault-zoe-hiccups-remains-1-europe-electric-car-sales-report/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 01, 2017, 07:19:32 pm
California Electric Car Sales Up 91% (1st Quarter)  ;D
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Texas Won’t Let You Buy Patriotic Tesla Model 3 — Crony Capitalism  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif) Beats Energy Independence?

May 31st, 2017 by Steve Hanley

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/31/texas-wont-let-shop-patriotic-tesla-model-3-crony-capitalism-beats-energy-independence/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/31/texas-wont-let-shop-patriotic-tesla-model-3-crony-capitalism-beats-energy-independence/)

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Current & Future State Of Electric Vehicles From The US Big 3 Auto Companies
May 31st, 2017 by Loren McDonald

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/31/current-future-state-electric-vehicles-us-big-3-auto-companies/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/31/current-future-state-electric-vehicles-us-big-3-auto-companies/)

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STOP Fooling California

The oil industry  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif) is living the sweet life in California. So it makes sense that oil companies spend millions annually in the Golden State to convince people and ...

http://stopfoolingca.org/ (http://stopfoolingca.org/)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 02, 2017, 06:26:29 pm
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Tesla Model S

When will the Tesla Model S be redesigned?   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png)

John Gustafson, Tesla owner since 2011

Answered May 23, 2015

Remember that Tesla is very unlike other car companies that stop working on the engineering of a car and then send it to dealer lots. To the extent possible, they continue to offer improvements to what they have already sold. Elon Musk has voiced this philosophy. If the changes are software upgrades, then they are free; if the changes involve hardware, then of course there is a charge for them, but it is possible in many cases to upgrade a car to the equivalent of a newer model. Some of that has already happened with the Model S, though of course it is pretty tough to upgrade a single-motor model to a dual-motor model.

The Tesla Roadster owners are being offered upgrades that raise the range from 245 miles (235 miles for the Roadster Sport) to around 400 miles, and the changes are more than simply swapping the battery for one with higher energy density; they also change some of the aerodynamics of the car to reduce drag, and swap the tires for ones with much lower rolling resistance.

The Model S is currently getting self-driving features, incrementally. Which is wise, because it takes a while to get used to a car that can drive itself. People who bought a Model S are now getting upgraded to a car that, on command from a smart phone, can open the garage door with HomeLink, back out, close the garage door, adjust the seat and mirrors and temperature and set the preferred audio, drive to the front door, and unlock the driver door when the driver gets within a few feet of the car. That's a lot of software, and the kind of software that takes an excruciating amount of testing effort to assure safety.

So the question "When will the Tesla Model S be redesigned?" might be answered as follows: "It is being redesigned all the time, and many of the improvements are available to existing owners  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png)(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp) , so there is little reason to wait for a redesign in the hope of getting a more technologically advanced car, like you have to do with other car companies."  (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)


https://www.quora.com/When-will-the-Tesla-Model-S-be-redesigned/answer/John-Gustafson-1
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 03, 2017, 10:24:51 pm
Why Gasoline Powered Cars Are Obsolete  ;D

Jim Smith - Colorado Renewable Energy Society (CRES)

https://youtu.be/d7tRlsoZgdI

Published on Sep 16, 2016

Learn why EVs are more pleasant to drive, how their overall cost will beat out comparable gasoline cars, how ‘range anxiety’ can cease to be an issue, and more. EV evangelist Jim Smith is the owner of Golden Real Estate (GoldenRealEstate.com) and lets his brokers and clients try the firm’s Teslas and Volts: Driving is believing.

This was an event during the 2016 National Drive Electric Week. Before Jim’s talk attendees had opportunity for test drives in Chevy Volts, Teslas, Leafs, Prius Plugin, and a Smart EV and talk to the owners.

Jim Smith presented a shorter version of this talk on Sept 13, 2016 at Boulder CRES.

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 06, 2017, 10:53:16 pm
Flash offers a ground-up redesign of the electric bike  ;D

https://youtu.be/HxPCN3iTtKU

Full article:

https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/flash-offers-ground-redesign-e-bike.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 15, 2017, 02:37:16 pm
(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/381/784/0/S3817840/slug/l/03-2017-hyundai-ioniq-geneva-1.jpg)

The Electrek Review: 2017 Hyundai IONIQ EV is the new efficiency champion, end of Prius era?

Seth Weintraub 

  - Apr. 5th 2017 4:54 pm ET
 @llsethj

Agelbert NOTE: Excellent review with multiple graphics, videos and comparison with Tesla specs.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/8.gif)

https://electrek.co/2017/04/05/hyundai-ioniq-ev-review/

 
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 15, 2017, 02:46:22 pm
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http://insideevs.com/compare-plug-ins/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 16, 2017, 06:46:19 pm
Tesla Model X = Safest SUV Ever, Because Some Humans Have Hearts  (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

June 13th, 2017 by Zachary Shahan

SNIPPET:

The Tesla Model X has been scored as the safest SUV the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has ever tested, and the second safest vehicle the NHTSA has ever tested … only trailing the Tesla Model S.  ;D

First, the front barrier test:

https://youtu.be/vCXaR3_r164


Next, the side impact test that simulates what happens if you get T boned at an intersection.

https://youtu.be/scvG5aCl47c

And now the sideways on ice into a telephone pole test.

https://youtu.be/SjapNSJJT0I

Tesla Model X the First SUV Ever to Achieve 5-Star Crash Rating in Every Category

The Tesla Team June 13, 2017

We engineered Model X to be the safest SUV ever, and today, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) announced that after conducting independent testing, it has awarded Model X a 5-star safety rating in every category and sub-category, making it the first SUV ever to earn the 5-star rating across the board. More than just resulting in a 5-star rating, the data from NHTSA’s testing shows that Model X has the lowest probability of injury of any SUV it has ever tested. In fact, of all the cars NHTSA has ever tested, Model X’s overall probability of injury was second only to Model S.

Model X performs so much better in a crash than gas-powered SUVs because of its all-electric architecture and powertrain design. The rigid, fortified battery pack that powers Model X is mounted beneath the floor of the vehicle creating a center of gravity so low that Model X has the lowest rollover probability of any SUV on the road. No other SUV has ever come close to meeting and exceeding this rollover requirement.

NHTSA’s tests assess both the structure of the vehicle, which must minimize intrusion into the cabin and absorb as much energy as possible, and also the seatbelt and airbag restraint system, which must maximize injury mitigation in the event of a crash. Among the nine subcategories rated by NHTSA, including frontal impact, side impact, and pole impact tests conducted on both the driver and passenger side as well as the rollover test, Model X achieved 5-stars in every category and sub-category. That means that in the event of a serious crash, Model X occupants have an overall 93% probability of walking away without a serious injury – a testament to our commitment to building the safest cars on today’s roads.


Full article:   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/muscular.gif)


https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/13/tesla-model-x-safest-suv-ever-humans-hearts/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 17, 2017, 01:00:10 pm
China Electric Car Sales Grow 49% — BAIC EC180 Leads Rise of Microcars (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/maniac.gif)

June 17th, 2017 by Jose Pontes

SNIPPET:


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#1 – Zhidou D2 EV: This bare-basic city vehicle probably doesn’t inspire anyone, but surely continues to be delivered in record quantities (4,471 units in May), probably thanks to big fleet deals. This vehicle is sold as a quadricycle (think Renault Twizy class) in some European countries, with the following specs: 12 kWh battery, 120 km range, 90 km max speed, and all for some €16,000.  (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)

(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/06/China-YTD-2017-Electric-Car-Sales.png)

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(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/01/BAIC-EC180.jpg)

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Full article with a discussion of all the EVs shown above:    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-060914180936.jpeg)

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/17/china-electric-car-sales-grow-49-baic-ec180-leads-rise-microcars/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/17/china-electric-car-sales-grow-49-baic-ec180-leads-rise-microcars/)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 21, 2017, 07:53:48 pm
What is it like owning a  Model S? I'm not talking about just driving it. What makes this experience novel versus buying/owning your previous vehicle(s)?

Kirsten Oulton, Model S owner and evangelist

Updated Feb 17, 2016

I could probably have made a much longer list, but I'll leave you with a few of the more memorable differences that have nothing to do with the driving (which would require a huge post  just to cover that):

Purchasing: I have bought quite a few cars in the past, and dread the dealership experience. I've never been able to buy a new car in under two hours (I have managed as little as an hour on a used car). I particularly can't bear how they make it as hard as possible to understand how much you are paying for each item, while subjecting me to a salesperson, his/her manager, and sometimes (for added fun) the dealership owner while we get various things approved. I've enjoyed dental surgery more. Here is my purchase experience for the car: 1. Test drive in the middle of a snow storm (4" of fresh snow) before it was plowed (the rep challenged me to try and make it spin out... I failed) (20 min.), 2. Discuss the 1 feature that was unclear to me before making my selections (5 min.), 3. Register the order online (4 min.)... and DONE. 29 minutes. Now, to be fair, people often test drive one or more times... so the only part we really need to compare to get an apples-to-apples comparison to my best ever dealership time (1 hour for a used car) versus the Tesla time ( 5 + 4 = 9 minutes). I could have done it from home, but I was coming in to the dealership anyways because I wanted to test the car under the hardest conditions I could find. And while the price range was steep, I at least know that every single other purchaser pays the exact same price, so I didn't fail to negotiate the imaginary best possible price for once;

"Filling up": Some people discuss range anxiety. I haven't had this problem. I drive 4,000+ km (2,485 +mi) a month. On my busiest day (not counting road trips between provinces), I did 370 km, which was less than the 80% charge I normally have on the vehicle in the morning. (Important note: many owners don't even charge their vehicles to 100%, allowing the battery usage to rotate.) What does this mean? I don't have range anxiety. I come home at night, I plug it in and when I wake up, the car has more than enough to get me through my day. Actually, when I'm being a bit more conservative, I can go days in between charges, but this is the real worst case: if you're not driving cross-country, you're not going to "fill up" during a day again. I live in Canada, and after last winter's "polar vortex", I can't say I miss standing outside filling up my car with expensive gas while my extremities were freezing solid;

Capacity: To be honest, when I bought the car, I hadn't really seriously considered how much storage space there is in a Model S. But a crowd actually assembled around the car at the hockey rink. Why? You go to the back and open the trunk. There's this great big flat expanse. My husband loaded two full hockey bags, 4 sticks and some overnight bags on top. Still not full. There was a compartment under the flat bit where he'd stored an emergency kit, some blankets and other odds and ends, but the crowd hadn't seen that part. They were mostly amazed but the fact we got two hockey bags in at all... let alone kept going. It got funnier. He then went around to the frunk (front trunk) and proceeded to fill it with cases of beer and a small cooler. Then you stuff 3 adult males in the back seat in winter jackets. There was a guy driving (I kid you not) a Lincoln Navigator staring at our 4-door sedan with a frown on his face, trying to figure out (I imagine) why he was paying so much for a gas-guzzling beast with similar storage;

Cell phones:
My husband and I share the vehicle, which means that often one of us is on public transit or waiting to be picked up as we navigate our lives. We used to phone each other, checking to see when/where we'd meet and why are you late and so forth. That's pretty much stopped entirely. Why? I have an app on my phone, iPad and both my home and work laptops. I can see where he is in the car, and how fast he's going, and there's no point in calling to ask why he's late... I can see the traffic and him crawling along the highway. I know where he is, and when he'll turn up (or vice versa).  During a flash flood that took out a number of sections on a highway I knew he was driving with accidents and floating vehicles, I was perfectly calm, and didn't have to call him. Why? I could see that he'd diverted to side roads uphill of the flood, and was driving slowly along. He's fine... no need to bother him;

Sharing a car is easier: My husband and I have very different proportions. In other cars, if I wasn't paying attention, I would bruise assorted bits trying to get in before I remembered to pull the seat back. The Tesla switches the seat, side mirrors and steering wheel all around to "my" settings at a touch of a single button. I believe that this will get only better over time as Tesla continues to update the GPS, radio, Internet and other features to recognize the difference between my driver profile and his; and

Service: On three distinct occasions, my husband has made a comment on a Tesla-themed (but not owned) message board that could be construed as a complaint. He didn't send it to Tesla, and it wasn't bad enough to make it worth while to call the local service centre. Ironically, this didn't matter: in less than 24 hours, each time, the local service centre called us voluntarily to book an appointment to look at the issue at OUR CONVENIENCE. What? Huh? Since when does the manufacturer care how I feel, let alone go out of its way to make me happy? That on it's own is hard to imagine, and when you add to it that they picked the car up, fixed the minor annoyances for free, and brought the car back all at our convenience? I'm blown away.

https://www.quora.com/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 23, 2017, 02:05:48 pm
Tesla Has The Most Aggressive EV Sales Goals, Battery Cost Reductions, & Charging Capabilities, Says IEA

June 23rd, 2017 by Guest Contributor

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Tesla Model X, Model S, and Model 3 (Image: Motor Trend)

SNIPPET:


The International Energy Agency provides video recap of key findings from their Global EV Outlook 2017 report (Source: IEA)

https://youtu.be/E1IliHRkuG0

Battery costs are on the way down and energy density is on the way up. There is every reason to believe that this trend will continue, narrowing the cost gap between EVs and internal combustion engines (ICEs). The IEA predicts that there will be between 40 and 70 million electric cars on the road by 2025.

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Tesla readies its new vehicles to be delivered to customers (Image: Autoblog)

Looking to the future, many industry observers have said that a price point of $100/kWh will allow EVs to reach cost parity with legacy vehicles. The DOE expects the industry to be near that point by 2022, and GM predicts that it will reach the magic 100-dollar mark by that date. One of Tesla’s original co-founders Martin Eberhard and Tesla’s current CFO Deepak Ahuja each recently predicted that the $100 tipping point would be achieved in that timeframe. Tesla’s cost target (according to the IEA’s chart) is – surprise, surprise – even more aggressive, reaching the Promised Land in 2020. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-020617175335.png)

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Inside Tesla’s Model S battery pack (Instagram: dominickcarluccio)

Full article with several eye opening charts and information guaranteed to give the fosssil fueler Tesla haters lots of heartburn:  ;D

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/23/tesla-aggressive-ev-sales-goals-battery-cost-reductions-charging-capabilities-says-iea/
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 23, 2017, 06:48:58 pm
Agelbert NOTE: I just found this. It was of interest to me and I'm sure you will find it of interest as well.  8)

What happens when Tesla Model S's battery is full and it is going down hill?  ??? John Gustafson, Tesla owner since 2011


Answered May 4, 2016 · Upvoted byRoshan Jayachandran, Head of engine tuning, Renault BR engines (Kwid & other CMF-A platforms)

Quote
This is a really good question, and it affects not only Teslas but hybrids like the Prius that use regenerative braking.

When the battery tops off, regenerative braking is disabled. On a Tesla (any model), a warning light appears on the display, because the driver needs to know that the feel of the brakes is going to be different.

With no energy being taken out of the car through the electromagnetic damping of regenerative braking, you suddenly need to press the brakes like you would on a typical non-EV, non-hybrid car, because you are actually using good old-fashioned friction to slow down the car. Disks and brake pads. It can be disconcerting if you don’t notice the warning on the display because suddenly having to press harder on the brake makes you feel like your brakes are failing, though of course they aren’t.

All EVs use regenerative braking first, but if the battery is full or if you brake hard, the conventional braking system kicks in.
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on June 25, 2017, 02:48:17 pm
How many Tesla cars already needed battery replacement?

Ryan Harker
Answered Jun 19, 2017

The current battery in a Tesla is built to last at least 500,000 miles (800,000 km) (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif) before it needs to be replaced, currently most batteries look like they will last a lot longer than this.

https://electrek.co/2016/11/01/tesla-battery-degradation/

Tesla CEO Elon Musk says that “the company had simulated over 500,000 miles on it and that it was still operating at over 80% of its original capacity”, thats about 40 years worth of driving for the average driver.

Plus they also have battery swap guarantee which if your battery degrades by more than 20% in 8 years, they’ll replace it. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

The battery in Tesla cars will last a very long time before you need to replace it, if you drive over 800,000 km you might notice significant loss of up to 20% but even then you can just get a new one installed for around $10,000 US dollars, and then you’re good for another 40 years of driving.


https://www.quora.com/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 06, 2017, 02:15:09 pm
Curios what a Tesla battery rack looks like inside? Watch these guys throw one off the roof to find out  :o  ;D

LAST UPDATED ON JULY 6TH, 2017 AT 4:30 PM BY ALEXANDRU MICU 

https://youtu.be/c0IHNrW0QOA

Full article:

http://www.zmescience.com/other/videos/tesla-rack-off-the-roof/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 07, 2017, 08:46:19 pm
 (https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/545693884664119297/mCDJfUgm.jpeg)

July 6, 2017

France Loads Up EV & Drives Into Future

 France will seek to end sales of gasoline and diesel cars by 2040, the country's environment minister announced yesterday. Minister Nicolas Hulot acknowledged this is "a very difficult objective" for France, but emphasized French carmakers were on board (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png).

Hulot’s announcement comes on the heels of Volvo's announcement that it will phase out conventional engines.  (http://www.clker.com/cliparts/c/8/f/8/11949865511933397169thumbs_up_nathan_eady_01.svg.hi.png)

A new Bloomberg New Energy Finance report, also released yesterday, finds that electric cars will be as cheap as gas-powered ones by 2025 and account for half of all new cars sold by 2040.

http://mashable.com/2017/07/06/france-ban-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 09, 2017, 12:50:31 pm
Build Your Own Electric Car!  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/8.gif)

by bennelson in electric-vehicles

https://youtu.be/Lm5IATVw3WI

The "Electro-Metro" Project.


Can't afford a Nissan Leaf? No Problem!   (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif)   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

Build a cheap electric car yourself by removing the the car engine, replacing it with a forklift motor, and adding batteries.

I have plenty of videos about this project at:
http://www.youtube.com/user/BenjaminNelson
and 300MPG.org

The primary "build blog" for this project is at:

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/ben-nelsons-electro-metro-build-thread-848.html

but watch out! That is a good read for when you have WAY too much time on your hands.  ;)

For a good intro to basic electric car construction, stick with this Instructable.

For more in-depth construction information, check out the instructional Video DVD available at 300MPG.org

Step 1: Get a Car.

FULL ARTICLE with several videos:
 (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-060914180936.jpeg)


http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-your-own-Electric-Car/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 11, 2017, 10:50:57 pm
(https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/all/themes/clew/logo.png)

pv magazine (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-020617175335.png)

(German) Federal government remains optimistic with regard to e-cars

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said in May that her government was probably going to miss its goal of putting one million e-cars on the road by 2020 - but now the mood seems to have changed, Peter Hannen writes in pv magazine.

In a response to a parliamentary inquiry by the Green Party, the government said a support programme started last year was going to “significantly speed up the market penetration of e-cars”, although gauging the exact magnitude was difficult.
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/even-g20-standstill-success-nrw-burns-more-lignite-us-wwf/enbw-build-1000-charging-stations-e-cars-along-autobahn

However, the government still had the goal to get “as many e-cars as possible” on the road by 2020. The international trend towards e-mobility was going to aid the government’s intentions, it added, saying that the exact time was less important than a “dynamic” transformation process.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/climate-dispute-clouds-g20-summit-who-follows-merkel/electrified
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 12, 2017, 01:18:07 pm
Faraday Future FF91 first drive
https://youtu.be/5VX1_uSBuUA

Agelbert NOTE: Learn more about this potential competitor for Tesla.    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-060914180936.jpeg)

https://electrek.co/guides/faraday-future/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 12, 2017, 02:29:15 pm
Uber unveils plans for electric flying taxis by 2020, ChargePoint will provide charging for first stations

Fred Lambert - Apr. 25th 2017 5:37 pm ET  @FredericLambert

SNIPPET:

Aurora Flight Sciences, Pipistrel Aircraft, Embraer, Mooney and Bell Helicopter are the aircraft manufacturers working with Uber.

Electric vehicle charging station manufacturer ChargePoint announced “an exclusive charging partnership with Uber Elevate to support a global vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) transportation network”.

They confirmed that they will base the charging technology on the new Express Plus platform unveiled CES earlier this year. It enables a charging rate of up to 400 kW.

Uber’s timeline appears to aim for first flights in 2020. Other companies have announced even more aggressive timelines for eVTOL, but they are mostly for pilot projects or different applications than commuting transit, like Kitty Hawk – at least for the moment.

https://electrek.co/guides/uber/

Some Comments:  8)

PapaKoulikov
Well Uber is worth $50B. They have cash. Pipistrel has had a flying electric two seat plane out for a few years now. Embraer is the 4th largest plane manufacturer in the world and Bell has been doing Vert take off since almost the invention of the helicopter. I would say they have a pretty good team with a solid financial backing plus a committed end user (Uber itself). I wouldn't make fun of it quite yet. The regulatory will actually be a lot easier than most think. They are VTOL so they fall into the under 500' in a built up area regulations instead of 1000' like fixed wing. They most likely have multiple electric motors so they don't need to worry about single engine approach regulations, and they may be able to fall into the drone category which basically gives free reign under 250' I believe. They will have to certify the aircraft but since it is less than 12,500lbs, less than 19 passengers, and not a pressurized turbine that should be an easier certification process which Pipistrel, Bell, and Embraer have each done many times. 2020 may be a little tight on the deadline but we don't know how long they have been working on it. It also said first public demo in 2020 not when the service would start.
 

mdudek > PapaKoulikov
Company's market valuation != cash in bank.


GregS > mdudek
Exactly!
Besides I sure as heck would not want to be in a flying taxi, trying to avoid all the Dominos pizza drones as well as the Amazon drones, not to mention just the idiots flying drones.

agelbert  >GregS

Flying is statistically safer than taking a shower, which is MUCH safer than driving or riding in a car. AND, 99% (or more) of all aircraft accidents are due to pilot error, not computer instrument error. Therefore, autonomous flying vehicles will have a huge safety margin (and low insurance costs!) over what is out there now. Yes, package delivery will be routine before people transportation is, but the fact that no roads or bridges (or tolls) are needed is a huge plus.

The only reason we do not have more of a "Jetsons" electric type transportation network on the land, sea and air is because the fossil fuel industry has done absolutely everything possible to prevent that.

"There is a nice legal concept called estoppel. If you argue that you didn't kill the Major in the library with the Ming vase because you were in bed with his wife, you are estopped from pleading self-defense. In the same way, polluters are estopped from arguing that they were only complying with public policy as laid down in the law, because they spent tens of millions shaping those policies and laws to their advantage." James Wimberley


Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 14, 2017, 07:38:39 pm
London Taxi Company Rebrands Itself As London EV Company, Dutch Company Orders 225 Vehicles
(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

July 14th, 2017 by James Ayre

https://youtu.be/vDF5Vv-uPgY


Full article:
(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/chinese-emoticon-22648577.jpg)


https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/14/london-taxi-company-rebrands-london-ev-company-dutch-company-orders-225-vehicles/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 19, 2017, 02:37:39 pm
(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/05/BYD-e5.jpg)
BYD e5

BYD Turns On Warp Speed (China Electric Car Sales Report)
(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-100717174505.gif) (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)

July 17th, 2017 by Jose Pontes

SNIPPET:

The Chinese market had more than 43,000 new EVs zooming the streets last month. With the market growing below expectations, at 16% YoY, this performance from China feels like when LeBron James scores 28 points in an NBA Finals game — it would be a great score for anyone else, but people expect more from the star of the team.

Anyway, the EV market share grew to 1.5% in China, already beating last year’s record (1.45%). Expect that as the year progresses and sales expand, the Chinese PEV market will surpass the 2% share by year end.

This is still a highly protected market, where 93% of sales belong to domestic brands. Of the 7% left for foreign brands, 6% belong to Tesla, with the remaining 1% divided by all other automakers.

(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/07/China-Electric-Cars-June-2017.png)

Read more: (http://dl3.glitter-graphics.net/pub/465/465823jzy0y15obs.gif)
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/17/byd-turns-warp-speed-china-electric-car-sales-report/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/17/byd-turns-warp-speed-china-electric-car-sales-report/)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 19, 2017, 03:05:37 pm
https://youtu.be/UFWq2_3rr6Y

4 Passenger Street Legal Golf Cart
PLENTY of room for groceries without passengers  ;D



See many affordable Electric vehicles at their web site:    (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-060914180936.jpeg)

http://www.motoelectricvehicles.com/low-speed-vehicles
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 21, 2017, 02:31:06 pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-18/chevy-forced-extend-shutdown-bolt-plant-after-realizing-literally-no-one-wants-bolt (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-18/chevy-forced-extend-shutdown-bolt-plant-after-realizing-literally-no-one-wants-bolt)
Chevy Forced To Extend Shutdown Of Bolt Plant After Realizing That Literally No One Wants A Bolt
Tyler Durden
Jul 18, 2017

General Motors launched it's much-hyped, all electric Chevy Bolt at the end of 2016.  The Bolt was expected to make a splash as it was the first electric car in the U.S. market to offer 200 miles of driving range at an affordable price starting around $35,000.  The only problem is that pretty much no one seems to want one.

(http://[url=http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-111214174727.png]http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-111214174727.png[/url])


As AOL Finance points out today, GM has managed to sell just over 7,500 Chevy Bolts through the first six months of 2017.  Moreover, since dealers are sitting on about 111 days worth of inventory, we're going to go out on a limb and say the Bolt launch slightly underperformed expectations.  All of which has resulted in GM's decision to extend the shutdown currently in effect at it's Orion plant for just a little while longer.
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    General Motors Co has extended a shutdown at the Michigan factory that builds the new Chevrolet Bolt electric car as part of a broader effort to get control of bulging inventories of unsold vehicles in the United States.

     

    "Shutdown periods vary by plant based on launch timing of new or refreshed models across the portfolio and our ongoing efforts to align production with market demand," GM said in a statement.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2017/07/18/2017.07.18%20-%20Chevy%20Bolt_0.JPG)

But it's not just the Chevy Bolt that GM is having a hard time selling.  Overall, the company is battling (http://www.funny-emoticons.com/files/funny-animals/blue-bird-emoticons/801-listen-up!.png)  a massive inventory glut, some 126 days of supplies, in passenger cars. As such, the company has extended summer vacation shutdowns at three other North American assembly plants. The assembly plant at Lordstown, Ohio, that makes the Chevrolet Cruze and a plant near Kansas City, Missouri, that produces the Malibu sedan both have three additional weeks of downtime. An assembly plant in Oshawa, Ontario, will be idled for two extra weeks to reduce inventories of the Chevrolet Impala large sedan.

Of course, this shouldn't be much of a surprise for our readers as we recently pointed out that GM's "channel stuffing" hit a new all time high for the restructured company in June 2017, with the number of GM vehicles parked at dealer lots and patiently waiting for a buyer rising to the highest since the summer before recession officially began, when GM was still pre-bankruptcy GM, with far greater (if ultimately superfluous and in need of restructuring) production.

 (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/07/02/GM%20channel%20stuffing%20july%202017.jpg)

All of which kind of makes you wonder just how well that other, highly-anticipated, mass-produced, affordable, all-electric vehicle [Tesla Model 3] will perform when/if it officially starts to ship later this year.
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/ugly004.gif)



GM has done his before. The article you just posted is disinformation. The demand for EVs is actually skyrocketing.

GM is setting this car up to fail BECAUSE they WANT IT TO FAIL.

Here's what they should do, but refuse to because of their pro-gas guzzler bias:

Chevy Bolt Production Ramps Down While Tesla Model 3 Production Ramps Up

July 18th, 2017 by Steve Hanley

SNIPPET (PLEASE Palloy, read the ENTIRE first sentence to see how your article is pushing lies. The sonic is NOT a Bolt!):

The company blames the extension on slow sales of the Sonic — sales are down 37% for the year as buyers flee from small sedans — but it is also selling far fewer Bolts than expected.



According to Reuters, there are now more than 6,000 unsold Bolts on hand in the US. That translates to a 111 day supply. 70 days is considered ideal. One dealer is reported to have more than 200 Bolts on its lot.

Excess inventory may be one reason why Chevy opened up orders for the Bolt to all 50 states a month early. So far, 7,592 Bolt EVs have been delivered through the end of June. A company spokesperson says, “General Motors Co has extended a shutdown at the Michigan factory that builds the new Chevrolet Bolt electric car as part of a broader effort to get control of bulging inventories of unsold vehicles in the United States.”

(http://www.funny-emoticons.com/files/funny-animals/blue-bird-emoticons/801-listen-up!.png)The US automobile industry is in the midst of a sales slowdown. Compared to 2015 and 2016, when record sales brought record profits to the industry, 2017 is shaping up to be a struggle for most brands.

The traditional car companies must be tearing their hair out about Tesla. Without spending a dollar on conventional advertising, Tesla is a media darling that gets all the buzz. But it’s put up or shut up time for Tesla. It says it will be selling 500,000 cars a year by the end of 2018, five times what it sells now. Can it do that?

That extra volume will put a strain on a company that eschews franchise dealers. It will also put a strain on Tesla’s proprietary Supercharger network of high-power charging stations and on company-owned service centers, which Tesla is ramping up quickly in anticipation of the fast growth in production.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/18/chevy-bolt-production-ramps-tesla-model-3-production-ramps/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/18/chevy-bolt-production-ramps-tesla-model-3-production-ramps/)

STOP pushing Disinformation, Palloy!  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-120716190938.png)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 21, 2017, 02:38:10 pm
Quote
AG: The demand for EVs is actually skyrocketing.

GM is setting this car up to fail BECAUSE they WANT IT TO FAIL.

Oh, I see. Sounds very logical. - Er, why do they want to spend lots of precious money and have it fail?  Please explain it in full because it runs counter to everything I've ever known.

Your wish is my command.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185701.png)  ;D

Please read for comprehension, gaspadine (see: Long Knives in GM Boardroom in article below).

Is General Motors Recreating The Saturn Disaster With The Chevy Bolt? (CleanTechnica Original)

July 19th, 2017 by Steve Hanley

Yesterday, we published a story about how Chevrolet will shut down the Orion Township assembly plant where it builds the Chevy Sonic and Chevy Bolt for a few extra weeks this summer. Most legacy manufacturers take a two week break from production each year to do plant maintenance and reconfigure the assembly line for next year’s models, but the Orion summer recess will be longer than normal to reduce excess inventories. The story got a lot of comments.

The original story bemoans the fact that Chevrolet is suffering from an oversupply of Bolts in the US while Tesla has people begging for its new Model 3, the car that is touted as the Model T for the 21st century. Meanwhile, the Bolt is in critically short supply in South Korea, Canada, and Norway, to name a few places. Yet dealers in California are offering up to $5,000 rebates to clear the cars off their lots and one dealer in Rhode Island has over 200 of them in stock.

Why? Some suggest Chevrolet is setting the Bolt up to fail so it can cry about how Americans don’t want electric cars. If so, the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of clueless executives who refuse to see the changes that are coming in the marketplace and adjust their thinking accordingly.

(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/07/Saturn-SL2.jpg)
Saturn SL2

The Saturn Debacle

Saturn is perhaps the best recent example of how the “Not invented here” syndrome that pervades the corporate culture in Detroit is threatening the legacy automakers with extinction. Older readers can remember back to the intransigence of those same companies when foreign automakers first began bringing smaller, more fuel efficient cars to the American market in the ’60s.

The response was an endless stream of crap-can cars like the Plymouth Valiant, Ford Falcon, and Chevy II. When the front-wheel-drive revolution took place, Detroit gave us more stinkers like the Chrysler K car, Chevy Citation, and Ford Escort.

When Roger Smith took over as head of General Motors, he crammed new thinking down the throats of his lieutenants by creating the Saturn brand. Fresh ideas sprang from GM’s best engineers, people who had been bottled up for too long by the hidebound strictures of the Big Three. The new venture was not named for the planet but rather for the giant Saturn rockets used to send Apollo missions on their way to the moon.

The Saturn factory at Spring Hill, Tennessee, pioneered new production techniques, beginning with an assembly line on which one team built an entire car from beginning to end. They traveled with the car as it was made on a skillet that brought all the tools needed with it.

The chassis was mounted on a scissors jack arrangement that allowed workers to raise or lower the car to the height most comfortable for them. The team members rotated jobs frequently so that everyone became proficient at every job in the assembly process.

Saturn took lost foam casting, previously used for small jobs, and scaled it up for volume production. The process eliminated 90% of the machining needed for conventional castings. It figured out how to make automatic and manual transmissions that shared the same housing so they could be produced on the same assembly line to meet the demands of customers.

Long Knives In GM Boardroom

When Smith moved on from the boardroom, the heads of Oldsmobile (remember them?), Chevrolet, Buick, and Pontiac (remember them?) gutted Saturn’s budget so the upstart division had no money to develop new models. Instead, they were forced to sell rebadged products from other divisions. That was the beginning of the end.

Saturn didn’t dispense with traditional dealers as Tesla has done, but it did bring no-haggle pricing to the marketplace. It is a little known fact that Saturn was designed from the get-go to appeal to women. Smith’s marketing research showed that women made the majority of buying decisions about automobiles. Why not design a car and a sales process that made women feel comfortable?

The original Saturn sedan, the SL, was designed for women. Lots of men complained that it was too small but women loved it. It was the first modern car made expressly for them. The plan was to introduce a second model designed for men but the money to develop that car never materialized when the company was getting started. When it finally arrived, the LS was too little, too late.

What Our Readers Say   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/176.gif)

Several comments to yesterday’s story came from people who actually went shopping to buy a Chevy Bolt. Their experience illustrates Musk’s claim of arrogance and ignorance, especially on the part of dealers. He says traditional dealers simply don’t understand electric cars and don’t want to engage in the process needed to educate potential electric car owners.

He’s right. Listen to what commenter “Oollyoumn” has to say: “Chevy dealers appear to have little interest in selling these. Being in the market for a new car, over the weekend I stopped at any dealer that might sell a plug-in. The Chevy salesperson told me that the Bolt was not being made yet, that the tax incentive ended January 2017, and that this particular dealership was not getting an allowance of Bolts because Chevy required that they also take an allotment of hybrid truck, and they were not going to do that because hybrid trucks do not sell in this area.

“I gave my opinion that the first 2 statements were not correct, and even provided sales estimates for last month on the Bolt. I asked him to look into it more and get back with me. So far, not a sound.

“The VW dealership was better, but still unusual. I started with ‘I’d like to know about the eGolf.’ The reply was ‘Not sold in this state.’ I said ‘thanks,’ and walked out. Not another word was said. Evidently they didn’t even want to talk me into something else. Two Nissan dealers, Toyota, Hyundai and Ford dealers also have not gotten back with me either. The Toyota dealer said it would take 8 weeks to get a Prius Prime. I think the car has to be on the lot and the customer drooling over it to get any assistance. To bad there is no chance of getting a Model 3 in the next month or two.”

Delphi23 shared this photo in his comment. Good God, people! Could we get a clue?
(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/07/Chevy-Bolt-No-Oil-Changes.jpg)
Chevy Bolt oil changes  (http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2009/347/2/6/WTF_Smiley_face_by_IveWasHere.jpg)


Dealers (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gen152.gif) Are Not Your Friends

To be fair, GM and other manufacturers have little control over their dealers. They make the cars; the dealers figure out how to sell them. And so far, those dealers are using the same tired old tricks that have pervaded car sales for 100 years — high pressure, bait and switch, outright lies, whatever it takes to get the customer into a car.

For most, it’s a “wham, bam, thank you, ma’am” process that goes like this: “There’s the car. It comes in red, blue, and white. Pick the color you want while I get the paperwork started. I’ll get you right into finance and you’ll be driving that shiny new Belchfire 5000 today!” Then the salesman gives the customer what is known in the trade as the “Three Cs” delivery. It goes like this. “See your car? See your keys? See ya later.”

Tom left us this illuminating comment: “Over the decades *cough* I’ve purchased 15+ new cars, some for the wife and kids. After each purchase, I felt sufficiently soiled by the experience that I needed to go home and take a shower. Elon’s revolutionary selling techniques will put all that in the rear view mirror.”

Selling & Electric Cars

Does GM really want to sell electric cars or is it all window dressing for the CARB folks in California? Ask yourself this. When you are watching television or browsing online, how many ads to do you see for full-size pickup trucks? Now ask yourself when the last time was you saw an ad for a Volt or a Bolt?

Elon Musk is a dynamic force and should be celebrated for his vision and determination. But the competition is giving him lots of help by shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly. BMW was fast out of the gate with its i3 and i8, but since then, it has decided to soft peddle its electric car division and rely on plug-in hybrids instead. BMW makes great cars, but its PHEVs offer woefully short all-electric range. The company obviously has no clue how to make compelling electric cars and sell them.

Creative Destruction

The auto business is a cruel mistress. Thousands of car companies have come and gone over the past 100 years. More will follow, with the path to their demise greased by their own ignorance and arrogance. Detroit couldn’t figure out small cars or front-wheel-drive cars because of that “Not invented here” mindset. They can’t seem to figure out electric cars, either.

Don’t weep for GM. Or Ford or Fiat Chrysler either. It is simply Joseph Schumpeter’s principle of creative destruction at work. It’s not about jobs being lost at traditional automakers. It’s about new jobs being created in the factories of the future. As the British would say, “The king is dead. Long live the king!”

Photo credit: IFCAR

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/19/general-motors-recreating-saturn-disaster-chevy-bolt-cleantechnica-original/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/19/general-motors-recreating-saturn-disaster-chevy-bolt-cleantechnica-original/)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 21, 2017, 03:21:49 pm
That sounds a little too much likeTesla propaganda. The viral story last year about Elon Musk using somebody's pre-ordered new car until it was well and truly used and the faceless company reps continually covering this up from the customer does not appear out of line.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-takes-bottom-spot-in-dealer-satisfaction-survey-2017-07-10 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-takes-bottom-spot-in-dealer-satisfaction-survey-2017-07-10)

It's possible.

UB, I addressed the following comment to Palloy. Please read it. I think the issue is not limited to attacking Musk. The subject is EVs versus ICE crap cars, and why TPTB want to kill EVs.

Agelbert NOTE: You might argue, as you probably will, that GM is not losing money on purpose. That is an eroneous assumption. Let me explain. The internal combustion powered automobile is far more profitable for the car manufactures than an EV. Hundreds of moving parts needed and high maintenace costs of gas guzzlers from engine wear to cooling system wear, to exhaust system wear, to emission control system diagnostic costs, along with brake maintenance provide a dealer with a major part of their business.

The EVs simply do not have even a tenth of the maintenece costs. This a threat to the dealer profits, as you know. What's more, EVs will be held longer by each owner simply because people normally buy new cars when the old one's maintenance costs do not justify keeping it. So, people keeping a car for a decade, instead of a three to four years, is ANOTHER part of the EV package that also threatens dealer, dealer slaepersons AND car manufacturer profits.    (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/www_MyEmoticons_com__smokelots.gif) They don't like that. Their DELIBERATE LACK of ads for EVs is evidence that they DO NOT want to sell them. The AD money, by the way, comes from the MANUFACTURER, as well as a portion from the dealer, so don't tell me this is just the dealers "being dumb". This LACK of AD money for EVs is DIRECTED FROM THE TOP!

The Volt and the Bolt, at this time, represent a tiny percentage of the production vehicles of GM, as you know. THAT MEANS that GM has a tiny percentage of their future (and their MONEY) invested in EV production and sale, as you, being a mathematician and statistician, know.

This rabbit hole goes deep, Palloy. The fossil fuel industry is involved up to their crooked, murderous eyeballs. Follow the money. Study refinery product percentages from cracking towers. Without a GIANT market for gasoline, the refineries have to massively incease the the cost of lubricants and the heavier diesels, making them uncompetitive with plant based lubricants and bio-fuels. The only "solution" (They don't CARE about global warming (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png)) is to strangle the EV competition.

(http://quotes.lifehack.org/media/quotes/quote-John-D.-Rockefeller-competition-is-a-sin-42310.png)


Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 21, 2017, 10:35:36 pm
I read the article several times, looking for the bits that tried to explain WHY the manufacturers wanted their products to fail, and the only explanation was "Not invented here" syndrome. This was backed up by calling The Ford Falcon "a crap-can" and the Ford Escort a "stinker". I had 2 Falcons (XA and XE) and an Escort (RS-1600), and while the XE had weak engine, weighed down by air-con, and servo pumps and auto transmission, and high weight, I would have thought ALL american cars had this style.  I can easily imagine that the manufacturers would have thought "the american public" won't want this model, but "designed to fail"?

Most of the explanation came in your follow up and needs to be backed by straight forward statistics. Are maintenance costs for EVs REALLY a tenth of ICs' ?  I include changing batteries as maintenance.  If so, that would mean a gradual change in the proportions of post-sale profits over decades, and salesmen wouldn't be bothered about that because it doesn't affect their immediate commissions.  In any case, that wouldn't affect what the manufacturers chose to make, there government subsidies to make EVs would matter far more.

I can't imagine car manufacturers care what the oil companies think (or about global warming), but I do think they worry about the rocketing price of battery metals.  There is no way I could charge my EV's battery at home without completely re-laying new mains cables to handle the load, so I would never buy one.

I have only bought one new car (the Escort) and I put my best suit on to try to give the impression I was rich, the salesman (who was driving the demonstrator to work every day) saw me puzzling over the mass of optional extras and offered me the demonstrator, with all the extras, at a good price
and then cut his price when I still pondered.  He was really keen to get my signature on a contract that day.  It was an excellent car, and went like the clappers for a 1600.

The fact is Chevy are having an extended lay-off period.  I think it is all down to the demand for new cars in general in a stagnant wage situation.  Some businesses will fail, making the situation better for the others, but worse for the workforce and their communities.

You are frugal like I am. Don't compare our lifestyle with the average car buyer in the USA. That would be a huge error on your part. Also, if you want to ignore the FACT that the refining of crude REQUIRES the production of of about 40% liquid fuels (which make ip the LION's share of profit for Big Oil), then you will never understand why they have such a vested interest in keeping the public AWAY from EVs.

The maintenace costs on EVs are MUCH lower than for gas guzzlers. That is not in doubt at this time, though I really don't have the data on hand to give you some hard numbers. I will dig around and post it on this thread for you to peruse shortly.

Palloy, here is the latest news, which confirms that the issue (at least officially) was NEVER the Bolt "lagging sales", as your disinformation article from the fossil fuel cheer leaders at Zero-Hedge disingenuously claims.

You may be right and I'm jumping to conclusions about the Bolt being set up to fail. But your refusal to see the MASSIVE amount of crap gas guzzler production money out there in comparison to the pittance spent so far on EVs by GM is shameful for someone claiming to be objective.

At any rate, here is the latest. As I tried to point out to you, and you kept dancing around it, the ISSUE WAS, AND IS, THE SLOW SONIC SALES, NOT the Bolt "slow sales"!

Chevy Bolt Production — An Insider’s Viewpoint

July 21st, 2017 by Steve Hanley

SNIPPET:

Quote
The Bolt story got a ton of comments, one of them from a commenter who says he got a response from someone working at the Orion Township factory, a Don Lockrey. Don sees things different from how we presented the story. Here’s his comment in full: “I work at the factory. You’re article is wrong. We added an extra week for shutdown because of slowing sales of the Sonic. I am assuming because of gas prices, as a $16k car isn’t as prized when gas is low. Another reason for the extra week was to complete bank systems and re do the assembly line to increase Bolt production.(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

(http://www.funny-emoticons.com/files/funny-animals/blue-bird-emoticons/801-listen-up!.png)“The jobs are all set to produce Bolts on a 2 Sonic, One Bolt mix. They are changing the mix to a 50/50 split which requires adjustments. For all the tesla fan boys, enjoy the squeaks rattles, fit and finish issues and recalls as your Model 3 was crammed into a 5000 car a week schedule. Oh, you thought your waiting list to get your car was long? Wait till you have a service issue with no dealer network.”

Thanks for that insider information, Don. We heard from other Bolt defenders who felt we were being too one-sided in our coverage of the Bolt. With Don’s information that Chevy is actually planning to increase production of the Bolt, we are attempting to correct the record and report some favorable news about the all-electric car from The General.

If there is an issue with the Bolt, it appears to be that Chevy is doing a poor job figuring out where to send the cars that have been built. Also, it must be said that manufacturers have little influence over how dealers sell their products. Decades ago, the car companies used to push the dealers around at will, even opening competing dealerships across the street in some cases to punish a dealer who had earned their displeasure.

New state laws reduced the power of the factories and made the influence of local dealer associations greater. Much of the resistance to the direct sales model preferred by Tesla comes from those same dealer associations, which wield tremendous power in some state legislatures, especially in Michigan and Texas.

I have reached out to Paul Masse Chevrolet, which is located about 20 miles away from my home. Another comment indicated they are one of the leading sellers of Chevrolet’s electric cars — the Bolt and the Volt — in America and that their inventory is down to 78 cars. That means they have moved over 100 Bolts in the past 30 days or so. Their success selling EVs resulted in a personal visit from Mary Barra, CEO of General Motors. If I am able to meet and speak with the Paul Masse people, I will share what I learn with you in a subsequent story. Stay tuned.

For an ongoing look at Chevy Bolt sales, see:  “Electric Car Sales (Monthly Reports)" (https://evobsession.com/electric-car-sales/).
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/21/chevy-bolt-production-insiders-viewpoint/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/21/chevy-bolt-production-insiders-viewpoint/)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 21, 2017, 11:18:34 pm
Chevy Bolt EV plant shutdown extended, due to slow Sonic sales (updated)

 John Voelcker

379 Comments Jul 21, 2017

One of the biggest tests of an automaker's discipline is what it does when sales start to ebb and inventories of unsold cars swell.

Does it keep the production lines churning, and dial up its incentives to keep new-vehicle deliveries flowing?

Or does it prioritize profitability and suspend production until inventories are back where they should be?

DON'T MISS: Bolt EV electric car sales after 6 months: how do they compare?

General Motors is now doing the latter, after seeing its inventories bulge to 105 days' worth of sales by the end of last month, according to a report by the Reuters news service, the company's highest inventory level in 10 years.

Worse yet, looking solely at passenger cars and netting out ever-more-popular crossovers and SUVs, Fortune notes that GM's inventories were 126 days, as calculated by industry trade journal Automotive News.

That's more than twice the 60 days' worth that analysts consider ideal.

EDITOR'S NOTE: This post, originally published July 18, was updated July 21 to reflect additional information provided by a GM line worker at the Orion Assembly Plant.

First 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV buyers, Fremont, California: Bobby Edmonds, Bill Mattos, Steve HenryFirst 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV buyers, Fremont, California: Bobby Edmonds, Bill Mattos, Steve Henry

The factories GM shut down include the Lake Orion Assembly plant where both the Chevrolet Bolt EV electric car and the aging Chevy Sonic subcompact sedan and hatchback are built.

The Sonic's sales are down 37 percent for the first half of this year over the same period last year.


But not too surprisingly, the Bolt EV gets the headlines in recent news coverage  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png) of that plant's summer shutdown, which GM recently lengthened.

The Reuters report specifically underscores that it's softening sales of the Sonic that led to the production suspension at Lake Orion:

A spokesman for the company said the shutdown at Orion was "due solely to softening sales of the Sonic" model, adding that its production plan for the Bolt for this year was unchanged.

UPDATE: This explanation was later confirmed by Don Lockrey, who said he worked at the Orion Assembly Plant,  in a comment on another article that was posted by a Bolt owner to the Chevy Bolt EV Owners Group on Facebook.

Lockrey wrote:

We added an extra week for shutdown because of slowing sales of the Sonic. I am assuming because of gas prices, because a $16,000 car isn't as prized when gas is low.

Another reason for the extra week was to complete bank systems and redo the assembly line to INCREASE Bolt production. The jobs are all set to produce Bolts on a two-Sonic, one-Bolt mix.

They are changing the mix to a 50/50 split which requires adjustment.

(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Chevrolet-Bolt-concept-201-626x382.jpg)
Chevy Bolt

Chevrolet sold 7,592 Bolt EVs in the U.S. from January through June, as it slowly adding new states to the initial pair of California and Oregon where the car was launched in mid-December.

At that sales rate—which should increase in the second half of the year as all states get their cars, and both dealership personnel and buyers become more familiar with the 238-mile electric car—GM now has a 111-day supply of Bolt EVs at its dealers.

Over the same six-month period, Chevy delivered 17,958 Sonics, almost two and a half times its total Bolt sales.

The Bolt EV, with a base price of $37,500 before incentives, will be available in all 50 states by the end of next month.

The other GM plants whose summer shutdowns were lengthened all build passenger cars, not SUVs: the Chevrolet Cruze compact sedan in Lordstown, Ohio; the Malibu mid-size sedan near Kansas City; and the Impala large sedan in Oshawa, Ontario.

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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111581_chevy-bolt-ev-plant-shutdown-extended-due-to-slow-sonic-sales (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111581_chevy-bolt-ev-plant-shutdown-extended-due-to-slow-sonic-sales)

Aglebert NOTE:
For Big Oil cheer leader and consitent attacker of EVs, Tyler Durden (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png) at Zero Hedge and anybody else that blames the Bolt for this plant production pause, DINNER IS SERVED:

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 22, 2017, 01:45:02 pm
You are frugal like I am. Don't compare our lifestyle with the average car buyer in the USA.

The average car buyer in the FSoA is me.  We buy Used Carz.  You can't afford new carz on the median income.  If you do buy one on the median income, you're an idiot and wasting your money.  New Carz are for the Top 20% of income earners.  EVs are for the top 20% also.  They cost too much.

RE

They are getting cheaper. I did a search for used Leaf EVs and I found a "used" Leaf (The Carfax report says it was a lease for an executive) with only 61 miles on it for sale at a very reasonable price. It comes with the complete factory 100,000 mile battery warranty.

I just searched again and it's gone. I guess they sold it. But there are some more good deals.

Check out the first one (2016 Leaf) at link with only 21 miles on it.

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-for-sale/listings/nissan/leaf/location-05446/?searchRadius=250&sortOrder=MILEAGE_ASC (https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-for-sale/listings/nissan/leaf/location-05446/?searchRadius=250&sortOrder=MILEAGE_ASC)

$12K.  I never paid more than $5K for a used car.

RE

The original Ford Falcon had an 85 hp straight six of 144 Cubic inches (2360 cc) and cost about $2000 new in 1960. It was a very basic car with no AC, no carpets, roll up windows, and a manual shifter on the steering column. Piece of **** car.

 I had a '64 Ford Econoline van in high school with the same engine. Woefully underpowered and the shifter linkage would lock up so I couldn't shift gears. One had to stop the car, get out and reach carefully into the grill, and line the shifter dogs back up by hand. LOL.

These fotos were stuck together, lucky i went hunting for it. 66 XP Falcon with the 170 Pursuit instead of 144 cube.. ex cop car.

Cars like that had column shift, a slippery vinyl bench seat and soft suspension, so they leaned over around corners. Surly probably lay his arm across the seat back and went around corners fast, so his date came sliding across to make the 2 headed driver and stick shift.

The original Ford Falcon had an 85 hp straight six of 144 Cubic inches (2360 cc) and cost about $2000 new in 1960. It was a very basic car with no AC, no carpets, roll up windows, and a manual shifter on the steering column. Piece of **** car.

 I had a '64 Ford Econoline van in high school with the same engine. Woefully underpowered and the shifter linkage would lock up so I couldn't shift gears. One had to stop the car, get out and reach carefully into the grill, and line the shifter dogs back up by hand. LOL.

When I was 16 my Dad took me to a used car lot to buy me car. Ford Falcon. The battery died 1 mile from the dealer.

(https://ccpublic.blob.core.windows.net/cc-temp/listing/88/1227/1471940-1961-ford-falcon-thumb.jpg)

This is close but not exact, don't remember its year, but this is close.

My gear shift was so bad that it jammed, and I had to get out and slide under the car and reassemble the gear joint back into female part!!!   This would happen about every two days. Wow, that was so many years ago it all seems like a dream.

The original Ford Falcon had an 85 hp straight six of 144 Cubic inches (2360 cc) and cost about $2000 new in 1960. It was a very basic car with no AC, no carpets, roll up windows, and a manual shifter on the steering column. Piece of **** car.

 I had a '64 Ford Econoline van in high school with the same engine. Woefully underpowered and the shifter linkage would lock up so I couldn't shift gears. One had to stop the car, get out and reach carefully into the grill, and line the shifter dogs back up by hand. LOL.

When I was 16 my Dad took me to a used car lot to buy me car. Ford Falcon. The battery died 1 mile from the dealer.

(https://ccpublic.blob.core.windows.net/cc-temp/listing/88/1227/1471940-1961-ford-falcon-thumb.jpg)

This is close but not exact, don't remember its year, but this is close.

My gear shift was so bad that it jammed, and I had to get out and slide under the car and reassemble the gear joint back into female part!!!   This would happen about every two days. Wow, that was so many years ago it all seems like a dream.

Oooh, let me play. My first car was a '64 Dodge Coronet, purchased in 1969.

(http://www.oldride.com/library/files/images/dodge/1964/1964_330_overview.jpg)  It looked very much like this. It had a slant 6; you'd open up the hood, and that little engine was in there, lying on its side.

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I LOVED that car, and it served me well until it started losing oil. I should have had the engine rebuilt; but my father convinced me to get rid of it and buy a new car. Which was a 1971 Chevy Vega, with an aluminum block that blew up @ 40,000 miles. Proof of the axiom, "The poor man pays twice." (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)  :(




Yes, you fine fellows have had long love affairs with your vehicles. Yes, we were ALL brainwashed to love all things about cars. I discovered that was stupid and costly. But not everybody can let go of expensive addictions that easy, as the comments I just read evidence.  :( :P

But since car owning history is in vogue here, this is my sad tale of spending too much money on vehicles powerd by polluting internal combustion CRAP engines:

1958 Cushman Husky scooter
1962 Vespa Scooter
1966 1956 Pontiac
1967 1957 Metropolitan
1968 Honda 125cc Motorcylce
1969 1967 Chevrolet Impala
1970 1964 Dodge Dart (push button transmission  :laugh:)
1973 1965 Piper Colt (an airplane  ;D with cloth over metal frame wings with a 108HP engine)
1975 1976 New Ford F150 supercab pickup truck
1977 Traded the Piper colt for a 1975 Oldsmobile (lasted less than a year - needed a top overhaul - then in ess than two months a major overhaul so I traded it for a Civic)
1978 1978 New Honda Civic CVCC
1983 1984 New Toyota Supra (Totalled within a year (hit from behind by an FBI agent speeding and changing lanes while the supra was at a full stop in a traffic jam on an off ramp - Insurance company went bankrupt so they did NOT pay me the loss and the Chase bank ruined my credit for not paying off the vehicel while the state insurance commissioner took two years to pay me for the vehicle loss).
1985 1985 New Mitsubishi Mirage
1986 1980 Oldsmobile
1988 1980 Cadillac
1989 1974 Ford Station Wagon
1990 1990 New Ford Probe Gt Turbo (Totaled in one month)
1991 1991 New Ford Probe (Had to turn in to the bank from bankruptcy within a year)
1992 1984 Lincoln continental (Totalled in 1996 from being rear ended at high speed by a Toyota pickup)
1997 1997 New Toyota Camry

 
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Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 22, 2017, 03:14:10 pm
Will Tesla's battery-centric drivetrain turn out to be its Achilles heel? ???

Hugh Rice Kelly, former Attorney

Answered Jul 14, 2017

The electric drive train is its defining strength. Amazingly few people understand that the Tesla drive train is based on the most powerful, reliable, time-tested form of motive power in the world—known to most Americans as the “diesel” locomotive. Very nearly all “diesel” locomotives use diesel engines to generate electricity which is then routed to electric traction motors which actually supply power to move the train. Think of that when you see a “diesel” powered set of locomotives start up a mile-long train of coal cars or oil tankers. Electric traction motors have been pulling almost all of the world’s railroad trains for more than a half century. In areas where overhead electric power has been available, pure electric trains have been handling tough railroad duty all over the world for a century. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

Electric motive power has long ago conquered the difficult alpine grades in Europe and today powers most European trains. Electric powered trains are also capable of extremely high speeds: The world record for conventional wheeled manned passenger trains was set by France's TGV: it broke the world record in April 2007, reaching 357.2 mph on a 140 km section of track.

So anyone who thinks that electric powered vehicles are unreliable or somehow technologically vulnerable needs to do some homework. (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

Tesla’s automotive electric battery is not as time-tested as the electric traction motor, but Tesla has adopted the most conservative imaginable battery design philosophy, achieving an amazing degree of success. Unlike the spontaneous combustion disasters involving Boeing’s Dreamliner and the recent spontaneous “smart phone” fires, Tesla batteries have displayed no propensity to catch fire, and failures of any kind are rare.

The Tesla 85 kWh battery, for example, contains 7104 small cellular batteries similar to those used in laptop computers. It comprises 16 modules of 6 “bricks” each, each “brick” containing 74 individual cells. Each module has its own Battery Monitor Board which monitors each brick's voltage and samples temperature from four points within the module and reports this information to the Battery Management System via an internal communication bus. The BMS then uses this information to manage the high voltage battery temperature and state of charge. It communicates with the car’s central thermal management system, charger, and other channels. The battery has a sealed liquid coolant system, which controls heat, a key control factor in lithium ion batteries.

This carefully controlled system keeps the battery within a range calculated to preserve the battery over the long term. The design has paid off to an amazing degree: There are many Teslas that have logged over 100,000 miles while retaining 85 percent of their original battery capacity. My 2015 Model S P85D still retains 100 percent of the 253 mile range it had when I accepted delivery 25 months ago.

For a car primarily used for in-city driving, an electric car is superior to a car powered by an internal combustion engine (“ICE”). Unlike the ICE, you can plug in your car in the garage and find it fully charged every morning. You also don’t need to worry about excess drivetrain wear from stop and go traffic—the inefficiencies of an ICE under those conditions have few parallels in an electric car—not even the brakes, which are rarely used due to regenerative braking. The electric car is really convenient for ultra-short trips, because, unlike an ICE care, a Tesla does not need to be warmed up.

There are disadvantages to an electric car during highway travel, but as charging locations continue to multiply, the inconveniences will fade. But you will always need to plan and be sure you don’t drive somewhere you won’t be able to recharge your batteries.

https://www.quora.com/

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An electric motor that lasts for 1,000,000 miles? Tesla is working on it (https://www.treehugger.com/cars/electric-motor-lasts-1000000-miles-tesla-working-it.html)
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 22, 2017, 03:26:15 pm
Kirsten Oulton, Model S owner and evangelist

Aug 25, 2015

My experience has been much like the answer supplied by George Everitt  below. In 16 months of use and 55,000 km (34,175 mi), our two maintenance expenses for a Model S (85) have been:

Windshield washer fluid; and

Winter tire storage ($100 CDN/year, includes Tesla swapping them out and balancing). We have a set of winter tires and summer tires (I live in Canada, so this is advisable), but neither set needs replacement yet. Best estimate gives us another 8 months of wear on each.

https://www.quora.com/Does-a-Tesla-car-have-very-minimal-maintenance-costs


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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 22, 2017, 07:03:22 pm
Quote
Agelbert
Zach, can you recommend a maintenance cost comparison study of an EV versus a gas guzzler covering several years? The best info I could find says the cost for an EV is 3 to 4 cents a mile versus 5 or 6 cents a mile for a gas guzzler. I think that operation and maintenenace for and EV is more like about a tenth of gas guzzzler costs. Nobody wants to just come out and say that gasoline is GUARANTEED to go UP while electricity is GUARANTEED to go DOWN as the years go by.

Also, I wish the up front cost of the vehicle was NOT figured into the operation and maintenance in these cost estimates. The glaring difference in actual day to day costs is what is important after you buy or lease the vehicle.
 
For example a "used" 2016 Leaf with less than a 1,000 miles on it can be purchased (WITH the full factury guarantee!) for less than $17,000. THIS is the kind of vehicle that should be used for cost comparison of operation and maintenance. I'm sure that leaf can be operated and maintained for much less than half what it costs to do the same for a gas guzzler.

I welcome comments and suggestions on how to get the best, accurate and objective info.



Matt > agelbert • an hour ago
Taking into account what we paid for our solar panels, we're probably paying $0.022 per mile for our EV.

My 2004 Honda probably costs $0.083 per mile just for gas. I'm probably averaging about $0.04/mile for ICE maintenance: oil change, timing belt, oil pan, etc... No point including tires, wipers, 12v battery, etc, since both cars have those, and they are very cheap compared to their lifetime. Hopefully, I'll never have to find out how much it takes to replace the EV's drive battery.

Edit: So that leaves a 10 cent difference per mile, before taking into account the damage done by fossil fuels. If you think a carbon tax should be $100/metric ton, add $0.03 per mile for the Honda.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/22/electric-car-faq-answers/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/22/electric-car-faq-answers/)

Agelbert NOTE: A ten cent a mile difference, when you figure 100,000 miles, is a BIG deal! (http://www.clker.com/cliparts/c/8/f/8/11949865511933397169thumbs_up_nathan_eady_01.svg.hi.png)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 23, 2017, 12:59:06 pm
Quote
Agelbert
Zach, can you recommend a maintenance cost comparison study of an EV versus a gas guzzler covering several years? The best info I could find says the cost for an EV is 3 to 4 cents a mile versus 5 or 6 cents a mile for a gas guzzler. I think that operation and maintenenace for and EV is more like about a tenth of gas guzzzler costs. Nobody wants to just come out and say that gasoline is GUARANTEED to go UP while electricity is GUARANTEED to go DOWN as the years go by.

Also, I wish the up front cost of the vehicle was NOT figured into the operation and maintenance in these cost estimates. The glaring difference in actual day to day costs is what is important after you buy or lease the vehicle.
 
For example a "used" 2016 Leaf with less than a 1,000 miles on it can be purchased (WITH the full factury guarantee!) for less than $17,000. THIS is the kind of vehicle that should be used for cost comparison of operation and maintenance. I'm sure that leaf can be operated and maintained for much less than half what it costs to do the same for a gas guzzler.

I welcome comments and suggestions on how to get the best, accurate and objective info.



Matt > agelbert • an hour ago
Taking into account what we paid for our solar panels, we're probably paying $0.022 per mile for our EV.

My 2004 Honda probably costs $0.083 per mile just for gas. I'm probably averaging about $0.04/mile for ICE maintenance: oil change, timing belt, oil pan, etc... No point including tires, wipers, 12v battery, etc, since both cars have those, and they are very cheap compared to their lifetime. Hopefully, I'll never have to find out how much it takes to replace the EV's drive battery.

Edit: So that leaves a 10 cent difference per mile, before taking into account the damage done by fossil fuels. If you think a carbon tax should be $100/metric ton, add $0.03 per mile for the Honda.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/22/electric-car-faq-answers/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/22/electric-car-faq-answers/)
Agelbert NOTE: A ten cent a mile difference, when you figure 100,000 miles, is a BIG deal! (http://www.clker.com/cliparts/c/8/f/8/11949865511933397169thumbs_up_nathan_eady_01.svg.hi.png)

Quote
Matt > agelbert
Taking into account what we paid for our solar panels, we're probably paying $0.022 per mile for our EV.

My 2004 Honda probably costs $0.083 per mile just for gas. I'm probably averaging about $0.04/mile for ICE maintenance: oil change, timing belt, oil pan, etc... No point including tires, wipers, 12v battery, etc, since both cars have those, and they are very cheap compared to their lifetime. Hopefully, I'll never have to find out how much it takes to replace the EV's drive battery.

Edit: So that leaves a 10 cent difference per mile, before taking into account the damage done by fossil fuels. If you think a carbon tax should be $100/metric ton, add $0.03 per mile for the Honda.

Well, "probably"  plus "probably averaging about" minus a "probably" gives a probable figure excluding the definitely huge battery replacement factor.  0.022 / (0.083   0.04) , which is what I asked about is 17.8% which is a lot bigger than the "tenth" you must have just guessed at, and when the battery replacement is accounted for, and the cost of electricity used for charging, things would be VERY different.

You DEFINITELY have some fascinating cherry picking abilities, gaspadine. What part of "gasoline is going to cost MORE MONEY and Electricity is going to cost LESS, along with batteries costing LESS as the years go" by do you DELIBERATELY (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png) FAIL TO UNDERSTAND? 

Probably ALL OF THE ABOVE. And then there is that other "minor" cost that you flat REFUSE to acknowledge is real. It must be fun to live in such a world of cherry picked fantasy.  (http://drphilyerboots.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/cherry-picking.jpg)

The following video is from 2013, which may be considered the "good old days" now, since 2015, then 2016 were progressively hotter yet. And 2017 is. so far, HOTTER than  the hottest year!  Palloy and his "real world" f(FANTASY) ossil fuel pals were not listening then and they are not listening now. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gen152.gif) (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183337.bmp)


The PRICE of Carbon

https://youtu.be/kY-ZnpWbJdw

The fossil fuel industry is NOT PAYING IT; WE ARE!  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/minzdr.gif)

(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2mo5pow.gif)   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif)(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/swear1.gif)

Here's an article Palloy will disagree with and ridicule as "garden variety" or "irrelevant" or disdain with some other pejorative bit of puffery.

The only part of the article he will agree with is that the Oil and Gas industry ACTUALLY gave solar power technology development a boost back in the 70s because PV supplied power to very remote locations the fossil fuelers tend be located at for new profit over planet piggery.  ;D

The FULL story of how we-the-people have supported these fossil fuel and nuclear welfare queens is there from the start until this day. The appearance of profitability ignores our tax money for research and continuous subsidy.

Palloy and his Fossil fueler pals have an amazing ability to ignore, not just externalized costs, but the giveaways from we-the-people! They have the brass balls to compute those subsidies as part of the ROI. That's a blatant accounting falsehood. Without subsides they are not profitable, period. But Palloy and friends will continue with their fantasies, come hell or high water. So it goes.  :P

SNIPPPET 1:

The bias against renewable funding and support is clear. Recent analysis found that over the first fifteen years an industry receives a subsidy, nuclear energy received an average of $3.3 billion, oil and gas averaged $1.8 billion,Fto and renewables averaged less than $0.4 billion.

Renewables received less than one-quarter of the support of oil and gas and less than one-eighth of the support that nuclear received during the early years of development, when strong investment can make a big difference. Yet even with this disparity, more of our energy supply now comes from renewables than from nuclear, which indicates the strength of renewables as a potential energy source.


SNIPPET 2:

The momentum behind renewable development came to a rapid halt as soon as Ronald Reagan was elected president. Not only did he remove the solar panels atop the White House, he also gutted funding for solar development and poured billions into developing a dirty synthetic fuel that was never brought to market.

Unnatural Gas: How Government Made Fracking Profitable (and Left Renewables Behind)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tKBsTGeWsKc/VznRUcnfo1I/AAAAAAAAyok/paDRwKq7pxQvOB0MOBc7Y7FOeBpjxwj6wCLcB/s1600/fracked gas is a bridge to nowhere.PNG)

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/unnatural-gas-how-government-made-fracking-profitable-and-left-renewables-behind (http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/unnatural-gas-how-government-made-fracking-profitable-and-left-renewables-behind)

The TRUE COST of Carbon

https://youtu.be/za4r5uWj4AY

Here's another video (over 3 years old, but still imperative viewing), with lots of no nonsense MATH, that a certain mathematican called Palloy has difficulty with due to his "UNreal world" world view.  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-280515145049.png) (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-051113192052.png)

The bottom line for the reality based community (which excludes Palloy  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-241013183046.jpeg) and the entire fossil fuel industry  biosphere wrecking crew   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/pirates5B15D_th.gif)) is that a dollar based cost benefit analysis misses the funfamental idea that there are rights that life forms have that cannot be price negotiated.

Palloy won't watch it but I urge you reality based folks to view it and pass it on to other humans, like yourselves, who do not lack common sense.  ;D

What is the Social Cost of Carbon Emissions?

https://youtu.be/2rcxngFS1Y0
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 25, 2017, 12:57:19 pm
Electric Car Drivers: Desires, Demands & Who They Are

Latest update: 10 Jun 2017

A unique, in-depth report about EV driver needs, desires, user experiences, and demographics. Over 2,000 EV drivers in 28 countries told us what they want in future EVs & EV charging. We tell you what they said.

Read the free version of the report [PDF] (http://cleantechnica.us2.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=a897522b53d0853c85abbf9fa&id=44864a3a71) — the first 30 pages of the report.  ;D

publisher:CleanTechnica
industry:Electric cars
price:$500

Agelbert NOTE: I just got the free version. After I have perused it, I'll give you a summary.  8)

Meanwhile, here's some hot news about the coming solid-state :o battery innovation for EVs: (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/xig/ojx/xigojx6KT.png)


(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/07/Toyota-Concept-i.jpg)
Toyota spokesperson Kayo Doi tells Japanese daily news source Chunichi Shimbun the company will not comment on specific product plans but does intend to commercialize solid-state batteries by the early 2020s.

Toyota Electric Car Will Use Solid-State Batteries For Long Range & Quicker Charging

Published on July 25th, 2017 | by Steve Hanley

This story about electric car plans at Toyota was first published on Gas2.

Toyota is not giving up on the hydrogen fuel cell technology that powers the Mirai, but is busy working in the background on an all-electric car with solid-state batteries that offer long range and fast recharging. The plan is to introduce the car, which will be built on an all new chassis, to the Japanese market in … 2022. Yep, that’s 5 years away.

Solid State Batteries Are The Future

No one doubts that solid-state batteries are the future. Replacing the liquid electrolyte found in today’s lithium-ion batteries will eliminate the risk of fire and explosion associated with current battery technology. That danger, while low, remains a concern for many people considering the purchase of an electric car.

To limit such risks, electric cars today must use sophisticated cooling systems to stabilize the temperature inside battery packs. Such systems add cost, weight, and bulk to the cars. Solid-state batteries will not need such elaborate cooling systems, which will help bring down the cost of building an electric car. As an added bonus, they are capable of being recharged in much less time than a conventional lithium-ion battery.


Researchers such as John Goodenough have been trying to build a robust, inexpensive solid-state battery for decades. Toyota saying it will do so is one thing. Actually doing it is quite another. Israeli startup StoreDot says it has a solid-state battery with a range of 300 miles  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png) that recharges in 5 minutes  :o (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-100717174505.gif) .


(http://images.hgmsites.net/med/teaser-for-fisker-emotion-debuting-on-august-17-2017_100604685_m.jpg)
EMotion EV debuting August 17, 2017

Henrik Fisker claims his new EMotion electric car will go more than 400 miles on a single charge and then recharge in just 9 minutes. That car is set to hit the road in 2019.



New Electric Car Division At Toyota

Full article:
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/25/toyota-electric-car-will-use-solid-state-batteries-long-range-quicker-charging/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/25/toyota-electric-car-will-use-solid-state-batteries-long-range-quicker-charging/)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 25, 2017, 02:14:59 pm
Electric Car Drivers: Desires, Demands & Who They Are

Latest update: 10 Jun 2017

A unique, in-depth report about EV driver needs, desires, user experiences, and demographics. Over 2,000 EV drivers in 28 countries told us what they want in future EVs & EV charging. We tell you what they said.

Read the free version of the report [PDF] (http://cleantechnica.us2.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=a897522b53d0853c85abbf9fa&id=44864a3a71) — the first 30 pages of the report.  ;D

publisher:CleanTechnica
industry:Electric cars
price:$500

Agelbert NOTE: I just got the free version. After I have perused it, I'll give you a summary.  8)

Meanwhile, here's some hot news about the coming solid-state :o battery innovation for EVs: (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/xig/ojx/xigojx6KT.png)


(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/07/Toyota-Concept-i.jpg)
Toyota spokesperson Kayo Doi tells Japanese daily news source Chunichi Shimbun the company will not comment on specific product plans but does intend to commercialize solid-state batteries by the early 2020s.

Toyota Electric Car Will Use Solid-State Batteries For Long Range & Quicker Charging

Published on July 25th, 2017 | by Steve Hanley

This story about electric car plans at Toyota was first published on Gas2.

Toyota is not giving up on the hydrogen fuel cell technology that powers the Mirai, but is busy working in the background on an all-electric car with solid-state batteries that offer long range and fast recharging. The plan is to introduce the car, which will be built on an all new chassis, to the Japanese market in … 2022. Yep, that’s 5 years away.

Solid State Batteries Are The Future

No one doubts that solid-state batteries are the future. Replacing the liquid electrolyte found in today’s lithium-ion batteries will eliminate the risk of fire and explosion associated with current battery technology. That danger, while low, remains a concern for many people considering the purchase of an electric car.

To limit such risks, electric cars today must use sophisticated cooling systems to stabilize the temperature inside battery packs. Such systems add cost, weight, and bulk to the cars. Solid-state batteries will not need such elaborate cooling systems, which will help bring down the cost of building an electric car. As an added bonus, they are capable of being recharged in much less time than a conventional lithium-ion battery.


Researchers such as John Goodenough have been trying to build a robust, inexpensive solid-state battery for decades. Toyota saying it will do so is one thing. Actually doing it is quite another. Israeli startup StoreDot says it has a solid-state battery with a range of 300 miles  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png) that recharges in 5 minutes  :o (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-100717174505.gif) .


(http://images.hgmsites.net/med/teaser-for-fisker-emotion-debuting-on-august-17-2017_100604685_m.jpg)
EMotion EV debuting August 17, 2017

Henrik Fisker claims his new EMotion electric car will go more than 400 miles on a single charge and then recharge in just 9 minutes. That car is set to hit the road in 2019.



New Electric Car Division At Toyota

Full article:
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/25/toyota-electric-car-will-use-solid-state-batteries-long-range-quicker-charging/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/25/toyota-electric-car-will-use-solid-state-batteries-long-range-quicker-charging/)

At least one of us wants an eV pickup truck.

My brother-in-law got the new Leaf. I haven't gotten feedback yet on how he likes it. I am driving the Volt now full time,  and my only complaint is the short range on eV, but I drive in the hybrid "mountain mode" and it works out okay. I worry that it is too hard on the car to engage the gas engine as much as I do.


 (http://www.clker.com/cliparts/c/8/f/8/11949865511933397169thumbs_up_nathan_eady_01.svg.hi.png)


Thank you for this valuable and informative comment. This is the type of objective, real world information people need to read about. Please post on the Leaf EV experience of your brother-in-law when he has had it for a while. That is the car I would love to have.
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 25, 2017, 06:06:18 pm
Quote
How did Tesla win against the oil lobby?   (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif)

Matt Wasserman, We don't know what the internet is for, but it's caught on faster than any technology since fire.

Juyl 13, 2017

They haven’t won anything yet. Total production of all Teslas, ever, is less than the number of F-150 pickups Ford makes every few months. Tesla is the first new car company to get this far since Saturn, and the first truly new car company to do it since Hyundai, and they should be congratulated for that. But there is still a long way to go before they become more than a relatively low volume niche player.

A word about direct sales - Everyone who says the laws prohibiting direct sales are antiquated is right, but they are right for the wrong reasons. Those laws are antiquated, and no longer needed, because no volume car manufacturer would dream of selling direct. That way lies bankruptcy. It works when 90%+ of your cars are sold before you build them. It stops working when most of the cars you build come with significant inventory carrying costs.

And it presents all kinds of problems in terms of service and warranty repairs. Most Tesla owners are looking at 3 days, minimum, for twice yearly scheduled maintenance and even longer than that for warranty repairs. Is that going to work when Tesla has to scale to a million cars a year? Can they even maintain that already pretty terrible performance when they have half a million or a million cars on the road? Can the company afford the parts inventory required to improve warranty repair timeframes? They can build more service centers, and they will, but that increases capital expenditures for a company already investing a lot in Superchargers and plant upgrades. The cost of parts inventory increases as well. And in the long term it likely comes with no benefit to the consumer - keep prices low and you’ve invested a ton of money into something that doesn’t generate a return (that’s also known as a loss), charge fair prices and you may as well have a dealer network.

Tesla may be the first car company to figure out how to get direct sales to scale. But if they do they will be the first, let’s not forget that. And let’s also not forget that the company has to turn a profit at some point.

Will Tesla beat the oil lobby? Probably not. The Chevy Bolt is projected to outsell the Model S this year even if sales for the second half only match the first half and it hasn’t even gone national yet. Ford is going to jump into the pool sometime soon, and Volkswagen is moving from diesel to electric (at least in the US). All new cars will be electric at some point, probably in the next 20 - 25 years, but it won’t be because Tesla has become a dominant player.

Agelbert REPLY: The argument you present is flawed. To begin with, an EV is not a cash cow for maintenance costs, as all internal combustion engine powered cars are. THAT is the reason the dealer network is profitable. They MAKE THEIR MONEY on maintenence, NOT on selling cars.

Tesla is selling electric power plants on wheels, not the typical gas guzzler car.

EVs have very few moving parts, so the maintenace that would require a dealer is mostly absent. Tire maintenance does not require a dealer, which is the MAIN issue with an EV.

The battery pack eventual exchange will require Tesla to do it, but that is a once in a decade (or more) operation. You do not need a dealer network for that.

All that said, Tesla has a huge network of charging stations. I expect that people licensed to service Tesla cars (and other EVs) will set up shop near these charging stations, or Tesla may modify some of their charging stations to provide some maintenance.

The issue is not “beating big oil”. Big oil is a dead man walking, as anybody that knows anything about catastrophic climate change knows.

The issue is how long before Tesla can market an EV for $15,000 or less. Until they can do that, they cannot outsell the gas guzzlers.

Big Oil is the only reason, by the way, that certain Chinese EVs that DO sell for less than the equvalent of $15,000 (in China), are not marketed in the USA.

Big Oil is the reason that the $7,500 tax credit on EVs cannot be spread over several years, making it impossible for over 80% of the buying public to fully benefit from the tax credit (most people don’t pay anywhere near $7,500 in income tax in one year) AND FORCING those people to lease instead. Leasing ALSO jacks up the price on those least able to pay it.

All those hurdles to owning an EV were, and are, deliberatly imposed to keep the EVs in niche status, although Big Oil would prefer to destory EV sales altogether.

And the dealer network you are so sold on is a nest of crooks and liars that people are VERY tired of.

Big oil and the gas guzzler manufacturer and dealer network still hold sway in this country, but that will change, even if people like you think they have a “good” business model. They don’t.

Tesla does have a good business model. When serious competitors like Toyota finally figure that out, they will begin to emulate Tesla (for pure EVs) and probably produce better EVs at a lower price too! Tesla is a leader but soon they will have to lower their prices to remain competitive.

https://www.quora.com/How-did-Tesla-win-against-the-oil-lobby
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 28, 2017, 02:10:44 pm
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Mercedes, Porsche to join Audi, BMW, Jaguar, Renault in Formula E racing(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/wind14.gif)[/color][/b][/size][/i]


Jul 28, 2017

The changing of the guards in motor racing is underway: both Porsche and Mercedes-Benz have announced they will join the FIA Formula E electric-car racing series in 2019.

To make that possible, both German teams will end their tenures in respected motorsport; Porsche will end its World Endurance Championship LMP1 program, while Mercedes plans to pull out of DTM (German Touring Car Championship).

The news leaves Toyota as the only factory team left in the LMP1 class; both Audi and BMW appear to be reevaluating their own commitments to the DTM series as well.

DON'T MISS: 11 things you need to know about Formula E electric-car racing

The announcements reflect the growing promotional importance of Formula E to automakers and for their future electric cars.

Formula E will ultimately give electric-car makers the chance to put their own battery and other electric-drive technologies to the test in competitive racing.

In Porsche's announcement, it said its entrance into Formula E will bolster the company's program to build pure GT vehicles and fully-electric sports cars.
 
The company's first production electric model will be based on the Mission E concept car shown in 2015, a smaller four-door sedan likely to be priced below the Panamera sedan.

Porsche's aggressive pricing strategy could put the production Mission E up against fully-specced Tesla Model 3 sedans—but what Porsche learns from its factory Formula E team will likely influence all of its future electric cars.

Formula E will make a few notable changes in its future seasons, which are likely factors that helped sway Mercedes-Benz and Porsche to join the motorsport.

READ THIS: Why all electric-car owners should follow Formula E racing

The series will no longer require two cars per driver with the potential of a mid-race car change, as it doubles the capacity of the standard battery pack used by all teams.

Currently, Formula E teams must run four cars, but that requirement will fall to two cars in Season 5—a testament to improved battery technology since the series' launch in 2013.

Additionally, Formula E race cars will receive a design overhaul and incorporate the latest cutting-edge technology.

 New York City ePrix FIA Formula E electric-car race, Red Hook, Brooklyn, July 2017New York City ePrix FIA Formula E electric-car race, Red Hook, Brooklyn, July 2017
Porsche and Mercedes-Benz will join Audi, BMW, Jaguar, and French electric-car maker Renault among others in 2019 when season six of the motorsport gets underway.

The series' goal has long been to change the public's perception of electric cars, and the entry of two additional and very prestigious German marques will clearly help in that regard.

CHECK OUT: Racing strategy in Formula E varies from Formula One: why it's hard

With the entrance of Mercedes and Porsche, the total number of teams will climb to 12—a remarkable feat for the relatively new motorsport.

If the future is indeed electric (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png), Formula E should provide a very public catalyst within motorsport to ensure racing always has a place.

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Cool Formula E race car pictures at link:  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/8.gif)

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111793_mercedes-porsche-to-join-audi-bmw-jaguar-renault-in-formula-e-racing

Agelbert NOTE: The EV owner survey (free 30 page portion of a $500 report) that I downloaded and promised to report on has several informative graphs but no hard cost figures on EV ownership.  :( That is in the full report and I cannot afford to buy it.  ;D

That said, I did learn a few things that I will pass on to you:

A Volt is an Opel Ampera in Europe.

Most EV owners overwhelmingly wanted a fast charge option (that added about a thousand dollars to the price :P) even though over 90% of those EV owners DID NOT use fast charging in their routine daily lives.

Most EV owners love new technology. NOTE: There is a big split here between Tesla owners and all the rest. The Tesla owners are way too Jetson Tech freaky, which is sort of expected since they dished out so much money for an EV.

Most owners of EVs in the Leaf level of cost wanted economy and a tool to help them use less energy all around, not just in transportation.

Most owners of  EVs in the Leaf level of cost (and about 30% of Tesla model S owners too!) reported being inspired to lower their household energy consumption after buying their EV.

All EV owners reported lower operation and maintence costs than on their previous gas guzzler cars.

In actual use EV range anxiety is not a factor because EV owners bone up quickly on where the charging stations are, in case of need, and plan every move they make. This is a big difference from when they owned gas guzzlers, and some reading this might say, AHA! the EV "restricts freedom!". NOPE. What it does is make people do something they do not like to do: THINK about energy use and become more conscious of when and how it is used so as to NOT ABUSE it. The narcissistic greed balls among us will find this "restrictive", of course. But greed balls do not understand biosphere math. EV owners learn it quickly. (http://www.bativert.ma/images/image3.jpg) After about a month, the EV owner is conscious of, and attuned to, energy use like never before. (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/xig/ojx/xigojx6KT.png)  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/19.gif) They settle into an energy and cost saving routine that, except for longer trips which occur maybe two or three times a YEAR, does not require planning or restrict their movement. All the hand wringing from the peanut gallery gas guzzlers about "EV range anxiety" is, in practice, unjustified. Gas guzzler owners will say that EV owners are exhibiting endowment bias. The survey report admits there must be some bias because non-EV owners are not in the survey. That said, ALL the EV owners reported having owned gas guzzlers previously (in some cases they still have one). So the "bias" of EV owners, is really an objective conclusion reached after having driven gas guzzlers all their adult lives. That IMHO, is NOT a bias; it's sound critcal thinking.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif)

The overwhelming majority of EV owners is male, not female.  :( This is depressing to me, but I understand it. Females of our species, though assumed to be more "environmentally conscious and caring" than males, are actually naturally reticent to try new things. IOW, they are far more conservative than the average male. Women, in general, dislike risk. What, pray tell, is "risky" about owning an EV for a woman? Well, IMHO, the propaganda out there against EVs is NOT what is keeping women from being too keen to buy them or influencing them  to view EVs as "too risky". (http://www.coh2.org/images/Smileys/huhsign.gif)

What is "risky" about EVs for women is that they cannot "fill up the tank" at all those gas stations out there. ;D Women are more culturally acclimated than men. They LIKE to be part of the herd. Owning an EV is, at present, an act of defiance to herd mentality and a potential source of gossip for her female friends. So, more females  are in the "wait and see" category than males. This will totally flip when the DAMAGE to the environment of owning a gas guzzler becomes part of the herd knowledge. I am being a bit long winded about this issue because my wife simply will not hear of owning an EV. I told her they can no longer gouge us for mufflers, catalytic converters, emission sensor replacements, cooling system hoses, coolant, oil changes, transmission fluids, frequent brake jobs and other inspection fun and games. She counters that the mechanics will "think of something else" to gouge us with and EVs cost too much money up front. I tell there is an offer for a NEW 2017 Leaf  lease (for Vermont residents) that, including the $1,999 (includes first $199 monthly payment) down payment plus 35 $199 payments and residual - cost to buy - of $8,207 plus cost to own $300 fee comes to a TOTAL of $17,471.00 (manufacturer's rebate of $13,400 :o  ;D) plus taxes  (which are much lower because the vehicle is three years old at that point), not the high $31,565 MSRP. She says there must be a gimmick or they want to offload them because they are lemons and can't sell them.  ::)  I tell her about the low operation and maintenance and that, since she mostly uses the car for groceries (we drive less than 2,000 miles a YEAR, so the 12,000 mile per year lease "limitation" is irrelevant to us), we don't have a range anxiety issue. She says she doesn't want to have to run an extension cord from our manufactured home to the car after she does errands (we do not own the land - we rent it - we CANNOT build a garage and put a charging unit in it).  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gaah.gif)


I certainly don't agree with it, but now I sympathize more with Adam's decision to eat that fruit.  :(

If the following has some hidden cost I am not seeing, I don't know what it is. (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6656.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1730.gif)


(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-280717140511.png)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 28, 2017, 06:38:25 pm
(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/07/Tesla-Roadster.jpg)
Ten years ago News coverage and editorials frequently postulated Tesla’s coming demise.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/tissue.gif) (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/ugly004.gif)


Remember The Tesla Death Watch? (Hahaha)

July 28th, 2017 by Zachary Shahan

Originally published on Planetsave.

SNIPPET:

Tesla was on a death watch notice nearly one decade ago. News coverage and editorials frequently postulated Tesla’s coming demise. It couldn’t produce cars. No one wanted its cars. Its cars broke down around every turn. Where would people charge? Where could the cars be fixed?

(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/07/Tesla-quarterly-sales-Q2-2017.png)

Full article packed with lots of CROW for people like Tyler Durden of ZeroHedge to eat. (http://lucidating.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/eatcrow.gif)

(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/Banane21.gif)
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/28/tesla-death-watch-hahaha/


Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 30, 2017, 02:44:27 pm
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Why did you sell your Tesla car?  ???

Christian Bull, Tesla owner since February 2014

July 29, 2017

I got my Model S in February of 2014. It was a fabulous car, which convinced both me and my wife that we will never purchase another car with an internal combustion engine. The car did have its problems (Three years of Tesla ownership by Christian Bull on A Tesla Consumption Log), but all in all I was super happy with it.

I was planning to replace it with a Jaguar I-pace which comes out next year. Not because I was unhappy with the Tesla, but because I’ve always wanted a Jaguar and I was never planning to keep the Model S for more than four years anyway.

This winter that plan changed a little, and I needed to replace the S sooner than I had intended to. The I-pace also looks like it’s going to be too small for my family, so I ended up replacing my Model S with a Model X in May of this year.  ;D

Because of a bit of luck with timing, the Model S was for all intents and purposes free. I spent maybe $850 on maintenance (services at 20,000 and 40,000 km), but I got a big discount on the first service for a couple of reasons), and when I traded the car in to Tesla in May 2017, I got 75% of the original purchase price back - that was just me being lucky with the USD to Norwegian Krone exchange rate. The depreciation was made up for in fuel savings.

Teslas are not perfect unicorns. They are complex machines, with bells and whistles (retracting door handles, falcon wing doors) that are mechanical and will eventually break, just like stuff breaks on regular cars. In total, however, I’m quite certain that over time maintenance costs will be significantly lower for a Tesla than a comparable ICE powered car. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-you-sell-your-Tesla-car


Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 30, 2017, 03:01:12 pm
California’s EV charging network gets $800 million spark from VW (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-020617175335.png)

SACRAMENTO — In a decision with lasting implications for the growth of electric vehicles, state regulators on Thursday approved Volkswagen’s plan to invest nearly $1 billion in California’s EV network as penalty for its diesel-emission cheating scandal.

The plan approved by the state Air Resources Board would inject $800 million over 10 years into California’s electric vehicle market, including new, universal charging stations, a model “Green City” in Sacramento and education about zero-emission vehicles.

The massive investment could reshape the state’s budding network of electric vehicle charging stations while supporting Gov. Jerry Brown’s goal to have 1.5 million zero-emission vehicles on California roads by 2025.

San Jose and San Francisco are two of six cities slated for expanded community charging stations. A Volkswagen subsidiary, Electrify America, also will target low-income communities for at least 35 percent of the projects.

Chairwoman Mary Nichols said it was a long process to refine the plan, but added “we’ve gained a lot of confidence that it’s going to be a success.”

But critics said Volkswagen’s vast plan could chill competition and innovation in an emerging industry, and it snubs hydrogen fueling stations.

Volkswagen settled with federal and state regulators over a scheme to evade pollution standards in its 2- and 3-liter diesel-powered vehicles. The German automaker rigged software in nearly 600,000 diesel cars and trucks to pass federal emission tests, while the vehicles spouted unacceptable pollution levels.

In California, Volkswagen agreed to spend $1.2 billion through two separate environmental programs: at least $381 million for cutting pollution and $800 million for the infrastructure trust fund.

Volkswagen has also agreed to spend $1.2 billion for EV support throughout the rest of the country. (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)

Environmentalists, lawmakers, automakers and EV charging companies fought over early details of the state plan, forcing the German automaker to include more guarantees to spend money in poor communities more likely to be polluted.

Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg endorsed the deal, saying it would bring clean vehicle technology to underserved communities. “We will not waste this opportunity,” he said.

Maxwell Baumhefner, attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council, said the plan will help the state catch-up with demand for EV stations.

“The timing is right,” he said, noting that Electrify America has already begun building projects in other states. “It’s time to start breaking ground.”

Most EV charging companies sent letters of support for the plan, but ChargePoint, a leading electric vehicle charging network based in Campbell, urged the board to create more oversight. ChargePoint Vice President Anne Smart testified Thursday that the company was “still disappointed with the lack of details” and concerned the plan could chill other EV charging investments throughout the state.

The Electrify America investment plan will bring charging stations along highways and into overlooked neighborhoods, helping define the state’s electric vehicle corridors for years.

The projects will be split in four, $200 million increments built over 30-month periods. The Air Resources Board will oversee the project and gather regular input, including from automakers and charging companies.

The first phase calls for $120 million to build 400 charging stations with between 2,000 and 3,000 chargers. About $75 million will be used to develop a high-speed, highway charging network, mostly consisting of 150 kilowatt fast-chargers. The other $45 million will build community charging stations in six metro areas: San Jose, San Francisco, Sacramento, Fresno, Los Angeles and San Diego.

Another $44 million will build a “Green City” in Sacramento. It will provide access to zero-emission vehicles to low-income residents, through ride-sharing and other programs.

As part of the 10-year comprehensive plan, Electrify America will build a nationwide network of fast-charging stations with universal technology. Mark McNabb, CEO of Electrify America, said the company wants to have an impact beyond its 10-year plan.

“This is our legacy,” he told board members.

Several board members expressed concern over whether Volkswagen would live up to its promises. Board member Hector De La Torre said the ARB would “trust but verify” the company’s progress. But, he added, “it’s our obligation to get this thing going.”

http://www.siliconvalley.com/2017/07/27/ev-charging-network-gets-800-million-spark-from-vw/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on July 31, 2017, 06:05:02 pm
Electric Vehicles Enter the Here and Now

Jul. 28, 2017

By Jason Mathers

The high level of confidence that automotive industry leaders have in the future of electric vehicles (EVs) has been on full display recently.

In just the past few weeks:  (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)

Tesla's Model 3 started to roll off the assembly line.

Daimler announced a $740 million investment to produce EV batteries in China.

Cummins noted it would have a fully electric truck platform available by the end of 2019.

Lyft pledged to provide a billion rides a year powered by electricity by 2025.

Porsche set a 2023 target for having 50 percent of its production be electric vehicles.

Volvo Cars announced that "all the models it introduces starting in 2019 will be either hybrids or powered solely by batteries."



This spurt of corporate announcements has been paired with a bevy of statements of international leadership:

France declared it would be all electric by 2040.

India challenged itself to be gas free by 2030.

China took the global lead in terms of number of EVs on the road.


These developments are more than just excitement about an emerging solution. They are indicators that the market for EVs is developing faster than anticipated even just last year.

Consider the findings of a new report from Bloomberg New Energy Finance:

"[L]ithium-ion cell costs have already fallen by 73 percent since 2010."  (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg)

The report updated its future cost projections to reflect further steep cost reductions in the years ahead, with a price per kilowatt-hour in 2025 of $109 and in 2030 of $73.

Cost reductions on this order would result in EVs achieving cost parity with some classes of conventional vehicles by 2025—and across most vehicle segments by 2029, according to the report. EV sales are expected to really take off once they achieve cost parity with conventional vehicles, as the vehicles are significantly less expensive to fuel and maintain.

The acceleration in the EV market is great news for climate protection, too. A recent assessment found that zero-emission vehicles, such as EVs, need to comprise 40 percent of new vehicles sold by 2030 in order for the automotive sector to be on a path to achieve critical mid-century emissions targets. With the momentum in the EV market, we have a critical window to further boost this market by ensuring greater access of electric vehicles and a cleaner electric grid to power them.

Unfortunately, the U.S. has not demonstrated the same appetite for national leadership on EVs as other countries. Even worse, we are going in the wrong direction—with serious implications for our health, climate and economy.

Instead of leading, the Trump Administration is undermining critical clean air and climate protections including the landmark clean car standards for 2022 to 2025. The actions of individual automakers, however, tell a very different story from the "can't do it" mantra put forth by the administration.

In their commitments, investments and new product introductions, automotive manufacturers and their suppliers are clearly telling us that low emissions vehicles can play a much bigger role in the near future.

The fact is that automakers can meet the existing 2022 to 2025 federal greenhouse gas standards through deployment of current conventional technology alone. Now, in addition to the robust pathway automakers have through existing technologies, EV adoption rates in the U.S. will be 10 percent in 2025 if the Bloomberg New Energy Finance forecasts hold true. This is further proof that the existing standards are highly achievable. Rather than weaken the standard, the administration should be pursuing options to further scale EVs over the next decade.

Investing in clear car solutions is sound economic policy. These investments enhance the global competitiveness of the U.S. automotive sector.

This is why the UAW in a letter supporting the existing 2022 to 2025 clean car standards, noted:

"UAW members know firsthand that Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) and greenhouse gas (GHG) standards have spurred investments in new products that employ tens of thousands of our members."

Like other key aspects of the potential of the emerging EV marketplace, the role it can play as an employer has been in the news recently, too.

An AM General assembly plant in northern Indiana was acquired by electric vehicle manufacture SF Motors. The company announced that it will make a $30 million investment in the facility and keep on all the 430 employees. (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)

Fittingly, most of the 430 jobs that were saved to manufacture an emerging, clean technology are represented by UAW Local 5—the oldest continuously operating UAW Local in the country. (http://www.clker.com/cliparts/c/8/f/8/11949865511933397169thumbs_up_nathan_eady_01.svg.hi.png)

https://www.ecowatch.com/electric-vehicles-future-2465790666.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 01, 2017, 06:43:06 pm
Simple Hand Made Electric Bike: DIY

by omars2 (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-080515182559.png) in electronics

https://youtu.be/PQ_65Onq0K8

Hi!

In this instructable, i will teach you how to make an electric bicycle at home.

Also, this electric bike was selected and presented in the North India Solar Summit (NISS) 2016 and it remained in the news papers and web articles for many days. I would also like to share its news articles with you.

(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)

http://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Hand-Made-Electric-Bike-DIY/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 01, 2017, 08:09:59 pm
Want To Cut Carbon Dioxide Emissions? Electric Trucks Critical

August 1st, 2017 by Steve Hanley

This story about electric trucks was first published on Gas2.

SNIPPET:

With the electric car revolution getting a big boost last week with the official introduction of the Tesla Model 3, it may seem as though the world is well on its way to pollution-free transportation. But outside the limelight that shines on the latest EV drag race and claims of cars with 1,000 horsepower or more, the real focus of clean transportation advocates is on electric trucks, the workhorses that carry freight and cargo.



The International Energy Agency believes keeping global temperature rises below 2° Celsius depends in large part upon the electrification of some 600 million vehicles worldwide — half of them trucks. “In Europe, less than 5% of vehicles are commercial vehicles or heavy duty trucks, but they contribute to almost 20% of greenhouse gas emissions,” says Ananth Srinivasan, mobility expert with research consultancy Frost & Sullivan.

(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/08/SEA-Automotive-electric-truck.jpg)
Electric truck chassis from SEA Automotive in Australia
Agelbert NOTE: Trucks made by FAW in China are BIG Trucks, not pickup trucks.

In Melbourne, Australia,  SEA Automotive is busy adding electric powertrains to trucks manufactured in China by FAW. Tony Fairweather, CEO of SEA Automotive, says his firm realized a few years ago that electric commercial vehicles were becoming economically viable much faster than predicted. “The components are cheaper every time we go to buy. There’s not many industries where that happens.”

(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/06/Workhorse-PHEV-Pick-up-Truck4.png)
Agelbert NOTE: The above is a Workhorse W-15 PHEV pickup truck, not a pure electric pickup truck.  It is only available as part of a  fleet purchase. :( *


Quote
* The Workhorse W-15 is the first plug-in range extended electric pickup built from the ground up by an OEM. Lithium ion battery cells from Panasonic provide an 80 mile all‑electric range, while the onboard generator works to recharge while driving to get the job done.  The W-15 chassis sets a new technology standard for fleet vehicle tech.
 http://workhorse.com/pickup/ (http://workhorse.com/pickup/)


Electric cars may drive 10 miles one day and 100 miles the next. They may also be used for long-distance trips occasionally. But a truck usually follows a predictable daily route where the range needed is known in advance. That means most owners of electric trucks don’t need to worry about recharging their vehicles out on the road. That can be done at the end of the work day with charging equipment installed at the home location.

Read More: (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/reading.gif)

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/01/want-cut-carbon-dioxide-emissions-electric-trucks-critical/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/01/want-cut-carbon-dioxide-emissions-electric-trucks-critical/)


Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 01, 2017, 09:22:23 pm
(https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/w-15-04-e1493773082921.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1600&h=783)

Workhorse CEO Steve Burns Talks About The W-15 Plug In Hybrid Pickup Truck

June 21st, 2017 by Steve Hanley
 
With all the hype and hysteria about Tesla in the news lately, it’s easy to lose sight of some of the other companies that are making progress building more sustainable vehicles that will help lower carbon emissions from the transportation sector. Cars are important, but trucks spew out more carbon emissions each year. Workhorse, based in Ohio with a factory in Indiana, is elbowing its way to the front in a crowded field of competitors.

(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/chassis-626x293.jpg)

Workhorse W-15 plug in hybrid pickup truck

In a recent conversation with Charged EVs, Workhorse CEO Steve Burns shared some of the reasons why his company’s W-15 plug in hybrid pickup truck is getting so much attention from fleet owners. Just as the Tesla Model 3 has a long list of reservation holders, Workhorse also has received hundreds of pre-orders for the W-15 from Duke Energy, Southern California Public Power Authority, and Ryder Systems. In addition, municipalities like Columbus, Ohio and Orlando, Florida, have orders pending for plug in hybrid pickup.

Workhorse W-15 Built For Fleets

What makes a plug in hybrid pickup truck so appealing to fleets? Two factors, says Burns. First is total cost of ownership. “Green is good. Everybody wants to be green. It’s a nice by-product. But we realized that if electric is going to take off, it has to be less expensive than gas. It really comes down to that, at least in the fleet world. A meat-and-potatoes fleet guy says, ‘What is the most economical way I can operate my fleet?’ We come in and tell him we are less expensive than a gas vehicle.”

The second big factor is reliability. Fleet operators want to know the trucks are dependable and will last a long time. Workhorse has developed a close working relationship with UPS and that relationship is growing. “UPS is not a bakery that uses trucks. They are a truck company,” Burns says. “So, they are the hardest to satisfy. There’s no Consumer Reports .. in this space. So, if a fleet wants to know if something works, they look to the leaders.

“UPS is the largest commercial truck fleet in the United States. So, it took many, many years, and a lot of miles, to build something rugged enough for them, and at a price point they can justify. A fleet has to believe the vehicle is going to last. They have to believe it’s going to last for 20 years. UPS keeps their trucks for 20 years.”

(http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/safety-drivetrain.jpg)

Why A Range Extender Engine?

The W-15 will have a plug in hybrid powertrain using an internal combustion range extender engine sourced from BMW. Tesla has already announced it plans to bring an all electric pickup to market. Why does Burns feel the he needs the gas engine, too? “We really don’t think an all electric pickup truck will work, because of what people put pickup trucks through. Occasionally they have to do something very hard. Tow a lot, haul a lot, climb the side of a mountain, go far.

“Duke Energy, if there’s a hurricane in Charlotte, all the Duke trucks from all the neighboring states pack up and head for Charlotte. Although they normally go 50 miles a day, once in a while they’ve got to go 400. Once in a while, they put three big transformers in the back. We built this so that it covers our average day, and then we’ve got a little insurance policy up there. [Even] if it’s a weird day, you’re always going to complete your rounds.”

(http://workhorse.com/storage/app/media/pickup/interior.jpg)

“We found that out with UPS. If you tell a major fleet that this vehicle is really good but doesn’t do all things, you’ve got to be careful where you put it, they don’t want to hear that. They just want it to be ubiquitous. We just say this can do anything a gas pickup can do. 360 days a year, you’re going to get 75 miles per gallon because you’re running it all electric, and the other 5 days, you’ll burn a little gasoline, but the show will always go on.”

The W-15 Is Ready To Work   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/muscular.gif)

(https://i2.wp.com/electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/media-media-img-w-15-pickup-w-15-06_1000x700.jpg?w=496&h=331&crop&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1)

The W-15 is job site ready. It comes with a built in light bar with yellow flashing hazard lights, a sprayed-in bed liner and a 7.2 kW power export module. A central touchscreen controls most functions and is designed so it can be operated while wearing work gloves. The company has a proprietary fleet management system called Metron that keeps fleet managers constantly updated on each vehicles location and condition at all times. Workhorse can update software wirelessly over the air.

Safety is a high priority for the W-15. In addition to a full complement of air bags, it is equipped with emergency braking and collision warning systems, lane keeping assistance, and adaptive cruise control. Workhorse expects the W-15 to achieve the highest ever safety ratings for a pickup truck.

Private Sales Possible (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)

Burns keeps getting asked if the W-15 will be available to private customers and he has left the door open on that possibility — at least a little. ? “Well, I would’ve said no to that a little while ago, but a couple of things are happening. It’s really good looking. We built it to be modern and professional looking. We have some aerodynamics to it because we’re worried about energy. Some of our customers wanted a lower hood so they could see pedestrians easier. All that combined into a very unique looking pickup truck, good looking enough that every consumer that sees it says they want one.”

Source: Charged EVs

Tags: pickup truck safety rating, pug in hybrid, range extender engine, Steve Burns, Wrokhorse W-15 plug in hybrid pickup truck

About the Author

Steve Hanley I have been a car nut since the days when Rob Walker and Henry N. Manney, III graced the pages of Road & Track. Today, I use my trusty Miata for TSD rallies and occasional track days at Lime Rock and Watkins Glen. If it moves on wheels, I'm interested in it. Please follow me on Google + and Twitter.


http://gas2.org/2017/06/21/workhorse-ceo-w-15-plug-in-hybrid-pickup-truck/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 02, 2017, 02:57:20 pm
(https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/w-15-04-e1493773082921.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1600&h=783)

Workhorse CEO Steve Burns Talks About The W-15 Plug In Hybrid Pickup Truck

June 21st, 2017 by Steve Hanley
 
With all the hype and hysteria about Tesla in the news lately, it’s easy to lose sight of some of the other companies that are making progress building more sustainable vehicles that will help lower carbon emissions from the transportation sector. Cars are important, but trucks spew out more carbon emissions each year. Workhorse, based in Ohio with a factory in Indiana, is elbowing its way to the front in a crowded field of competitors.

(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/chassis-626x293.jpg)

Workhorse W-15 plug in hybrid pickup truck

In a recent conversation with Charged EVs, Workhorse CEO Steve Burns shared some of the reasons why his company’s W-15 plug in hybrid pickup truck is getting so much attention from fleet owners. Just as the Tesla Model 3 has a long list of reservation holders, Workhorse also has received hundreds of pre-orders for the W-15 from Duke Energy, Southern California Public Power Authority, and Ryder Systems. In addition, municipalities like Columbus, Ohio and Orlando, Florida, have orders pending for plug in hybrid pickup.

Workhorse W-15 Built For Fleets

What makes a plug in hybrid pickup truck so appealing to fleets? Two factors, says Burns. First is total cost of ownership. “Green is good. Everybody wants to be green. It’s a nice by-product. But we realized that if electric is going to take off, it has to be less expensive than gas. It really comes down to that, at least in the fleet world. A meat-and-potatoes fleet guy says, ‘What is the most economical way I can operate my fleet?’ We come in and tell him we are less expensive than a gas vehicle.”

The second big factor is reliability. Fleet operators want to know the trucks are dependable and will last a long time. Workhorse has developed a close working relationship with UPS and that relationship is growing. “UPS is not a bakery that uses trucks. They are a truck company,” Burns says. “So, they are the hardest to satisfy. There’s no Consumer Reports .. in this space. So, if a fleet wants to know if something works, they look to the leaders.

“UPS is the largest commercial truck fleet in the United States. So, it took many, many years, and a lot of miles, to build something rugged enough for them, and at a price point they can justify. A fleet has to believe the vehicle is going to last. They have to believe it’s going to last for 20 years. UPS keeps their trucks for 20 years.”

(http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/safety-drivetrain.jpg)

Why A Range Extender Engine?

The W-15 will have a plug in hybrid powertrain using an internal combustion range extender engine sourced from BMW. Tesla has already announced it plans to bring an all electric pickup to market. Why does Burns feel the he needs the gas engine, too? “We really don’t think an all electric pickup truck will work, because of what people put pickup trucks through. Occasionally they have to do something very hard. Tow a lot, haul a lot, climb the side of a mountain, go far.

“Duke Energy, if there’s a hurricane in Charlotte, all the Duke trucks from all the neighboring states pack up and head for Charlotte. Although they normally go 50 miles a day, once in a while they’ve got to go 400. Once in a while, they put three big transformers in the back. We built this so that it covers our average day, and then we’ve got a little insurance policy up there. [Even] if it’s a weird day, you’re always going to complete your rounds.”

(http://workhorse.com/storage/app/media/pickup/interior.jpg)

“We found that out with UPS. If you tell a major fleet that this vehicle is really good but doesn’t do all things, you’ve got to be careful where you put it, they don’t want to hear that. They just want it to be ubiquitous. We just say this can do anything a gas pickup can do. 360 days a year, you’re going to get 75 miles per gallon because you’re running it all electric, and the other 5 days, you’ll burn a little gasoline, but the show will always go on.”

The W-15 Is Ready To Work   (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/muscular.gif)

(https://i2.wp.com/electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/media-media-img-w-15-pickup-w-15-06_1000x700.jpg?w=496&h=331&crop&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1)

The W-15 is job site ready. It comes with a built in light bar with yellow flashing hazard lights, a sprayed-in bed liner and a 7.2 kW power export module. A central touchscreen controls most functions and is designed so it can be operated while wearing work gloves. The company has a proprietary fleet management system called Metron that keeps fleet managers constantly updated on each vehicles location and condition at all times. Workhorse can update software wirelessly over the air.

Safety is a high priority for the W-15. In addition to a full complement of air bags, it is equipped with emergency braking and collision warning systems, lane keeping assistance, and adaptive cruise control. Workhorse expects the W-15 to achieve the highest ever safety ratings for a pickup truck.

Private Sales Possible (http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/lenm/lenm1201/lenm120100200/12107060-illustration-of-a-smiley-giving-a-thumbs-up.jpg)

Burns keeps getting asked if the W-15 will be available to private customers and he has left the door open on that possibility — at least a little. ? “Well, I would’ve said no to that a little while ago, but a couple of things are happening. It’s really good looking. We built it to be modern and professional looking. We have some aerodynamics to it because we’re worried about energy. Some of our customers wanted a lower hood so they could see pedestrians easier. All that combined into a very unique looking pickup truck, good looking enough that every consumer that sees it says they want one.”

Source: Charged EVs

Tags: pickup truck safety rating, pug in hybrid, range extender engine, Steve Burns, Wrokhorse W-15 plug in hybrid pickup truck

About the Author

Steve Hanley I have been a car nut since the days when Rob Walker and Henry N. Manney, III graced the pages of Road & Track. Today, I use my trusty Miata for TSD rallies and occasional track days at Lime Rock and Watkins Glen. If it moves on wheels, I'm interested in it. Please follow me on Google + and Twitter.


http://gas2.org/2017/06/21/workhorse-ceo-w-15-plug-in-hybrid-pickup-truck/ (http://gas2.org/2017/06/21/workhorse-ceo-w-15-plug-in-hybrid-pickup-truck/)

Cool truck. Hope they reach the consumer market. 
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 03, 2017, 01:34:36 pm
New propaganda video on electric-car tax credits: time to debunk! (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6869.gif)

SNIPPET:

Quote
In 2016, the federal electric-vehicle tax-credit program cost the government less than $1.2 billion.

(That assumes every single electric car sold in the U.S. received for the full $7,500 sum, which is not the case).



In contrast, nine tax provisions that help subsidize oil and gas industry cost the federal government $3.8 billion combined every year.   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-120716190938.png)


Consider this latest round of fossil-fuel propaganda debunked—or at least put in far more accurate context. (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0293.gif)

   (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-060914180936.jpeg)

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111880_new-propaganda-video-on-electric-car-tax-credits-time-to-debunk
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 05, 2017, 12:39:27 pm
(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/08/byd-electric-bus-1.jpg)
BYD Electric Bus

BYD Lands Contract For 60 Electric Buses With Los Angeles County Metro

August 4th, 2017 by Steve Hanley

SNIPPET:


This story about BYD electric buses was first published on Gas2.

The City of Los Angeles is serious about its commitment to combating climate change. It is adding hundreds of electric cars to its municipal fleet and making plans that will allow low-income residents to dump their older cars with high emissions for cleaner cars.

It is promoting many miles of bike paths. And the Los Angeles county public transportation system, known as the Metro, has just inked a deal with BYD to buy 60 electric buses for its fleet.

(http://www.sae.org/dlymagazineimages/web/516/12804_18283.jpg)
BYD-electric bus cutaway

BYD has its American headquarters in Los Angeles and operates a factory in nearby Lancaster, California.

The new contract will add 59 workers to the 600 strong BYD payroll. Most of the new hires will be residents of Los Angeles county, according to the terms of the deal. In all, the Metro will pay $138 million for the 60 BYD buses plus 35 60-foot-long electric buses from New Flyer of America Inc, which is located in Crookston, Minnesota.

(https://chargedevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/NEW-FLYER-XE40_large.jpg)
60-foot-long electric buses from New Flyer of America Inc,
(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183515.bmp)

full article:

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/04/byd-lands-contract-60-electric-buses-los-angeles-county-metro/

Agelbert NOTE:
Those EV buses, when they get into the used vehicle market, will make an EXCELLENT Renewable Energy powered dwelling (with a few solar panels nearby, of course.  ;D). (http://images.ame4u.com/Animated_Clipart/Animated-Solar/sun_shining_solar_panel_hg_clr__st.gif)


See More cool graphics info on the New Flyer EV bus below:

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New Flyer EV Bus while charging

(https://www.newflyer.com/images/Home/buses/xcelsior-electric/features/reliability.png)

(http://www.hybridrive.com/images/diagram-citybuslabels.jpg)

(http://www.engineering.com/portals/0/BlogFiles/tlombardo/1_ProterraBus.jpg)

(https://www.newflyer.com/images/Home/buses/xcelsior-electric/images/XE40_pantograph.png)
Charge collecting mechanism deployed on New flyer Electric Bus

Below please enjoy a present use for used buses that RE may like. I certainly do!  I think that used electric buses, with some solar panels nearby, would be the ultimate in sustainable, cosy but roomy, iving.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif) ;D

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/18/09/2E8DE6F700000578-0-image-a-7_1447839005766.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/18/09/2E8DE31E00000578-0-After_But_after_falling_into_dilapidation_the_classic_British_ve-m-63_1447839983179.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f0/72/4e/f0724e5b084964cb1afd61e921c198ea.jpg)
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/looksmiley.gif)

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 05, 2017, 12:50:54 pm
(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/08/byd-electric-bus-1.jpg)
BYD Electric Bus

BYD Lands Contract For 60 Electric Buses With Los Angeles County Metro

August 4th, 2017 by Steve Hanley

SNIPPET:


This story about BYD electric buses was first published on Gas2.

The City of Los Angeles is serious about its commitment to combating climate change. It is adding hundreds of electric cars to its municipal fleet and making plans that will allow low-income residents to dump their older cars with high emissions for cleaner cars.

It is promoting many miles of bike paths. And the Los Angeles county public transportation system, known as the Metro, has just inked a deal with BYD to buy 60 electric buses for its fleet.

(http://www.sae.org/dlymagazineimages/web/516/12804_18283.jpg)
BYD-electric bus cutaway

BYD has its American headquarters in Los Angeles and operates a factory in nearby Lancaster, California.

The new contract will add 59 workers to the 600 strong BYD payroll. Most of the new hires will be residents of Los Angeles county, according to the terms of the deal. In all, the Metro will pay $138 million for the 60 BYD buses plus 35 60-foot-long electric buses from New Flyer of America Inc, which is located in Crookston, Minnesota.

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60-foot-long electric buses from New Flyer of America Inc,
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full article:

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/04/byd-lands-contract-60-electric-buses-los-angeles-county-metro/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/04/byd-lands-contract-60-electric-buses-los-angeles-county-metro/)

Agelbert NOTE:
Those EV buses, when they get into the used vehicle market, will make an EXCELLENT Renewable Energy powered dwelling (with a few solar panels nearby, of course.  ;D). (http://images.ame4u.com/Animated_Clipart/Animated-Solar/sun_shining_solar_panel_hg_clr__st.gif)


See More cool graphics info on the New Flyer EV bus below:

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New Flyer EV Bus while charging

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Charge collecting mechanism deployed on New flyer Electric Bus

Below please enjoy a present use for used buses that RE may like. I certainly do!  I think that used electric buses, with some solar panels nearby, would be the ultimate in sustainable, cosy but roomy, iving.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/128fs318181.gif) ;D

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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 07, 2017, 01:13:40 pm
10 Electric Planes that Already Exist and Change the Future of Air Travel

Automotive Territory: Trending News & Car Reviews

Published on Aug 2, 2017

(http://www.funny-emoticons.com/files/funny-animals/blue-bird-emoticons/801-listen-up!.png)Electrically powered vehicles are conquering our planet and it is a fact.    (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png) Many cities like Singapore and Hamburg have vouched to replace their public transport fleets with emission-free vehicles by 2030 and many auto manufacturers have already established roadmaps and schedules for going all in electric. Boats and submarines are getting equipped with e-motors and even far reached world like Mars is being explored by Curiosity Rover thanks to an electric powertrain. But is the sky the limit for electric motors?

Apparently not(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp) , because up until today there is quite a number of already operational all-electric flying vessels that traverse the skies braking the stereotype that efficient and clean air travel is impossible on Earth. Today, we would like to share with you some knowledge about the first electric planes, so that when in 50 years all of the aircraft in the sky are electric, you will know how it all started. Enjoy your flight. (http://yoursmiles.org/psmile/pilot/p0504.gif)

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https://youtu.be/OttEiCOGwss

Electric aircraft that were featured here:

Solar Impulse 2: www.iata.org/pressroom/media-kit/Pages/solar-impulse.aspx

E-Fan 2.0 and Airbus E-Fan X: company.airbus.com/responsibility/airbus-e-fan-the-future-of-electric-aircraft.html

Facebook Aquila: facebook.com/notes/mark-zuckerberg/the-technology-behind-aquila/10153916136506634/

E-Fusion from Hungary’s Magnus Aircraft: magnusaircraft.com/efusion2

Siemens Extra 330LE: siemens.com/press/en/pressrelease/2017/corporate/pr2017040256coen.htm

e-Genius - the Institute of Aircraft Design at the University of Stuttgart: ifb.uni-stuttgart.de/egenius

Pipistrel Alpha Electro
: pipistrel.si/plane/alpha-electro/overview

Sun Flyer from Aero Electric Aircraft Corporation: sunflyer.com/

Lilium Jet: www.lilium.com/mission/

FlyNano
: www.flynano.com/faq.htm

Nasa The X-57: nasa.gov/image-feature/nasas-x-57-electric-research-plane/

Alice - Eviation Aircraft Company: eviation.co/alice/


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Agelbert NOTE: The above is evidence that some humans have the brains to understand the following and actually DO something to stop the status quo suicidal stupidity of a fossil fuel based economy:

 
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Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 08, 2017, 09:09:51 pm
Auto Giants — Behind The Scenes, EV Movement Is Both Slower & Faster Than You Think (CleanTechnica Exclusive)

August 8th, 2017 by Zachary Shahan

SNIPPET:

An alternative title to the above was: “Slow & Steady Is A Recipe For Disruption.” But the story is a little more complicated than that.

Naturally, as the director of CleanTechnica, I get to talk to a lot of EV leaders at conferences around the world. We also get millions of views a month and a lot of feedback on and off the record*.

Some of that feedback is particularly useful for completing the EV transition puzzle in my mind. A couple of examples are two discussions I had earlier this year with some auto industry movers & shakers.

These discussions have been tingling inside my head because of the context they seem to add. The information I’ve gleaned has been aching for a write-up but delayed by so many other stores. However, recent quotes from Magna CEO Don Walker pushed me over the edge and finally got me to write this piece up.

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https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/08/auto-giants-behind-scenes-movement-slower-faster-think/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/08/auto-giants-behind-scenes-movement-slower-faster-think/)
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 11, 2017, 02:59:38 pm
Tesla Electric Semi Truck to test Self-Driving, capable of 'Platooning': report

Aug 10, 2017  John Voelcker 104 Comments

With Tesla, there's always something new coming up to keep owners, buyers, and fans excited.

The company's main task over the next year is to get its lower-priced Model 3 electric car into volume assembly at high quality, a process CEO Elon Musk has called "production hell."

But there's more to come, one of the new products being Tesla's promised all-electric semi tractor, apparently for long-haul freight.

Musk released a teaser image of the Tesla semi at a TED Talk in May (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110227_elon-musk-teased-teslas-electric-semi-truck-at-a-ted-talk)

Now some details may have leaked out, in the form of an e-mail conversation between Tesla and the Nevada Department of Motor Vehicles seen by the Reuters news service.

In those documents, Tesla sought state approval to test a prototype of its electric semi in Nevada that will contain self-driving software.

California DMV officials told Reuters they were to meet Tesla yesterday to discuss the company's "efforts with autonomous trucks" as well.

According to Reuters, the Tesla semi is likely to offer the capability of "platooning."

That's the term for automated vehicles traveling very close together at speed, which significantly cuts aerodynamic drag.

Vehicles that platoon must continually communicate with each other and the infrastructure around them, but the distances between them are far too short to allow a human driver to react in time to emergencies.

READ THIS: Tesla trucks: semi to be shown in Sept, pickup in 18-24 months (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1109909_tesla-trucks-semi-to-be-shown-in-sept-pickup-in-18-24-months)

Several companies are working on autonomous driving technology specifically for long-haul trucks, in Silicon Valley and elsewhere.

Long-haul trucks do not face cross traffic when they travel on limited-access highways, and they largely operate at steady speeds.

Those are seen as more favorable conditions for self-driving vehicles than the far more diverse circumstances faced by passenger vehicles in a wide range of uses.

Continental gets Nevada approval to test autonomous cars

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Daimler Trucks testing the first series-production autonomous truck on public roads

CHECK THIS OUT: Daimler to build large electric semi truck (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1108966_daimler-to-build-large-electric-semi-truck-urban-e-truck-results-good-so-far)

Platooning, meanwhile, is seen as a way to reduce fuel consumption significantly among trucks with internal combustion engines (or energy use in the all-electric Tesla semi).

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Robot Semi Trucks platooning

Daimler, Volvo, and other European heavy-truck makers have put years of effort into the technology, including numerous demonstrations on limited stretches of highway.

Platooning is viewed as a precursor to fully autonomous long-haul trucks, which are still widely assumed to be 10 years or more in the future.

He has driven the semi, he said, calling the big rig capable of sporty and spirited driving characteristics.

"This will be a very spry truck," Musk said. "You can drive this around like a sports car."

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112028_tesla-semi-truck-to-test-self-driving-capable-of-platooning-report

Agelbert NOTE: The widely assumed 10 year transition period for autonomus EV Semi Trucks is incorrect. They will be dominating in less than five years, simply because the sensor package is NOW cheap AND MORE reliable than a human driver.

The 1% want this profit over people automation. When they want something, it happens.  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif)

In this case ,securing the truck contents will become better paid than driving the truck.

Unfortunately for hopeful drivers planning on being semi truck riding security guards, I do not doubt that the 1% will try to make we-the-people pay for truck contents security with added taxation for added police highway monitoring, rather than doing the responsible thing and hiring a security guard to ride with the truck and ensure safe delivery of the goods, along with the required paperwork.  >:(

At any rate, when you see lots of Semi Trucks Platooning, EV Semi Platooning will be right there to replace every diesel semi truck on the roads.

The upside of this for the biosophere and people of good will is that the lung clogging, respiratory disease causing particulate matter and green house gas pollution on our roads will be much reduced and the big oil refineries will have to put their diesel fuel CRAP where the sun doesn't shine.  ;D
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 12, 2017, 03:45:25 pm
Parked Electric Cars Earn Cash While Feeding the Power Grid (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714191258.bmp)

August 11, 2017

https://youtu.be/98dfIwhXKqc


Full article by Lorraine Chow:


https://www.ecowatch.com/evs-power-grid-2471744121.html
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 14, 2017, 07:22:07 pm
Chanje V8070 — Another Level Of Electrification (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/xig/ojx/xigojx6KT.png)

August 14th, 2017 by Cynthia Shahan

SNIPPET:

Startup electric truck maker Chanje Energy has launched an electric Class 5 van, intent to replace last century’s fossil fuels (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2rzukw3.gif) with a zero-emissions Class 5 last-mile delivery option. This is the latest of several recent additions to the electric truck and van market.

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Chanje V8070 is truly a vehicle without compromise  (http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2012/8/14/1344970546338-awesome_mc_ht_smiley.gif). Separating from the smelly particulate crowd, Chanje is offering the first premium-quality, extended-length, medium-duty electric vehicle in the US.

Delivery vehicles are major polluters — worse than regular cars. Chanje Energy intends to change that and aims to dominate the Class 5 last-mile delivery segment with its extended-length, medium-duty panel van, the Chanje V8070.

Fewer moving parts and no need for oil changes = 70% less maintenance costs, according to the company. Fuel costs? No, not so much — approximately 70% less as well. The approach Chanje took was to create a platform that “allows us to offer maximum payload, maximum cargo capacity, the most efficient powertrain.”

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The Chanje V8070 has dual-hub rear motors.

Full article:  (http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/chinese-emoticon-22648577.jpg)

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/14/chanje-v8070-another-level-electrification/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 14, 2017, 08:16:02 pm
Chanje V8070 — Another Level Of Electrification (http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/xig/ojx/xigojx6KT.png)

August 14th, 2017 by Cynthia Shahan

SNIPPET:

Startup electric truck maker Chanje Energy has launched an electric Class 5 van, intent to replace last century’s fossil fuels (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2rzukw3.gif) with a zero-emissions Class 5 last-mile delivery option. This is the latest of several recent additions to the electric truck and van market.

(https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-13-at-9-e1502633213963.png)

Chanje V8070 is truly a vehicle without compromise  (http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2012/8/14/1344970546338-awesome_mc_ht_smiley.gif). Separating from the smelly particulate crowd, Chanje is offering the first premium-quality, extended-length, medium-duty electric vehicle in the US.

Delivery vehicles are major polluters — worse than regular cars. Chanje Energy intends to change that and aims to dominate the Class 5 last-mile delivery segment with its extended-length, medium-duty panel van, the Chanje V8070.

Fewer moving parts and no need for oil changes = 70% less maintenance costs, according to the company. Fuel costs? No, not so much — approximately 70% less as well. The approach Chanje took was to create a platform that “allows us to offer maximum payload, maximum cargo capacity, the most efficient powertrain.”

Full article:  (http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/chinese-emoticon-22648577.jpg)

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/14/chanje-v8070-another-level-electrification/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/14/chanje-v8070-another-level-electrification/)

Sweet!

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And just imagine ten years down the road when those babies hit the used EV truck/van market and people turn them into RVs with solar panels on top!  (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/8.gif)

Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 15, 2017, 04:28:13 pm
Every Major Crash of Formula E Season 3 (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/wind14.gif)

August 15th, 2017 by The Beam

https://youtu.be/1IMx4aWgeRk

Article with the above video:
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/15/every-major-crash-formula-e-season-3/
Title: Re: Electric Vehicles
Post by: AGelbert on August 15, 2017, 05:31:15 pm
XYT — Simplifying EVs   (http://cliparts.co/cliparts/Big/Egq/BigEgqBMT.png)

August 13th, 2017 by The Beam

SNIPPET:

The global race to cater to the growing electric car market is intensifying every day. All of the major car manufacturers are now pushing in this direction, and Tesla is constantly making headlines for its relentless advancement and ambitions to popularise electric vehicles. And amongst all of this largesse, there are smaller, more niche manufacturers breaking through and trying to find their own space in the industry.

We recently reported on the new Sion prototype, the first car to make use of external solar panels to give the vehicle extra charging capability for increased range, and now we’re introducing the unique electric vehicles from French manufacturer XYT.

It’s first car is made of just 580 pieces.

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(http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-301014182902.gif) (http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/yayayoy/yayayoy1106/yayayoy110600019/9735563-smiling-sun-showing-thumb-up.jpg)

Aside from simplicity, what separates these cars from other cars is their modular and customisable design. Instead of the one-size-fits-all type of offering delivered by other manufacturers, the XYT gives the option of customizing and changing the vehicle based on your needs and desires.

Full article with a video:

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/13/xyt-simplifying-evs/ (https://cleantechnica.com/2017/08/13/xyt-simplifying-evs/)