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Hydrocarbon Crooks Evil Actions
« on: July 01, 2018, 11:22:17 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: This is a repost form the summer of 2014.
 
Yes, I know that of course, our dear democratic, never start a war, goody two shoes fossil fuel/bank oligarchy would NEVER THINK OF SUCH A THING but it is INTERESTING that DENMARK has this GOING FOR THEM (or is it going AGAINST THEM because it "upsets" some powerful fossil fuelers in the USA?).

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WWF, the global conservation organization, is applauding the Danish government for having set the most ambitious climate and renewable energy targets of any country in combination with a long track record of publically promoting and implementing clean and sustainable energies.


http://awsassets.wwfdk.panda.org/downloads/fact_sheet__gift_to_the_earth__international_media_1_1.pdf

The attack Thursday afternoon on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 killed 298 people from nearly a dozen nations — including vacationers, students and a large contingent of scientists heading to an AIDS conference in Australia. At least 189 of the dead were from the Netherlands.
And now add to the above these "STRANGE"  COINCIDENCES...

Post Scriptum: Strange Coincidences? Moscow Metro Tragedy and Malaysian Airliner MH17 Downing

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We have just experienced two terrible tragedies. The Moscow Metro tragedy that claimed the lives of 23 people with dozens of wounded happened on the very same day Russian President Vladimir Putin was in Brazil, participating in the formation of the BRICS Bank. The Malaysian airliner MH17 tragic downing in eastern Ukraine, with almost 300 dead, happened at the same exact time Vladimir Putin was flying back home.

As I explained before, and will continue explaining in the following piece: the dollar hegemony has effectively ended, the US has just lost it’s single super-power status. And Putin was the driving force behind all this.

http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/post-scriptum-strange-coincidences-moscow-metro-tragedy-and-malaysian-airliner-mh17-downing/

Yes, of course! It's all EMPTY suppositions and baseless speculation from NON experts. 

USA = 

Fossil fuel/Banking oligarchy =

USA is run by GUESS WHO!!?

When terrorism is STATE SPONSORED, it's not terrorism; it's a warning by a ruthless predator.

Fasten your seat belts, folks. Denmark might be a pushover but Russia (with BRICs bank backing)  isn't. 



Finally, there is another grizzly "DOT"  :o you may wish to connect at your leisure...

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This is the second Malaysian airliner falling from the sky/disappearing in a short time.

The first one was the one that ‘allegedly’ disappeared in Asia several months ago.

Coincidence? Perhaps not, if we recall that Kuala Lumpur, the capital of Malaysia, recently hosted International War Crimes Tribunal that indicted the states of the USA and Israel for war crimes. This same international tribunal also indicted both countries’ heads of state, along with many high level officials.

People involved in that tribunal were the likes of Leuren Moret and Alfred Lambremont Webre. Considering that the evidence presented at the tribunal was damning and officials named were the very top of the US and Israel, do you think that maybe, just maybe, someone has a score to settle with Malaysia?  

Incidentally, per expert Leuren Moret, the founder of Malaysia Airlines (who treated the airline as his baby, his pride and joy) is the former PM of Malaysia, who was an active part of the tribunal.  Add to the above a personal vendetta, and a warning.  >:(

Last, but not least: 13 years ago, in 2001, a Ukraine missile shot down another plane over the Black Sea. It was a commercial jet from the Russian Sibir airline, en route to Turkey. Over 80 people died. The investigation revealed that the military was poorly trained and shot down the plane by mistake. However, the investigation was never completed, and Ukraine never admitted its responsibility. At the time, there supposedly was no war in Ukraine.
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Re: Hydrocarbon Crooks Evil Actions
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2018, 11:25:21 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: This is a repost form the summer of 2014.

FL ML17: did you know that the vast field of smoking carnage may actually be a “tiny roadside crash site”? Read on.

Posted on July 21, 2014 by Ann Kreilkamp

As the theories and rumors continue to swirl in the jittery ethers, this is the most interesting piece of possible info I’ve yet come across. And yes, it does remind of Flight 93 (Pennsylvania, in a field, 9/11, remember?) — except this time, they decided to add carnage and twisted metal to the mix, rather than just stage a depression in a field with NO plane parts, no bodies . . .

In any case, this latest false flag/distraction — (from the GAZA genocide, from the BRICs devlopment bank, from ongoing climate catastrophes, like stupendous fires in western U.S.. Canada and Siberia) — that also serves to demonize Putin and, in a one/two punch, parallels the (staged?) child trafficking story on the U.S. border — does seem to be working!


Even if we ignore in disgust the controlled narrative delivered by the lock-step statist MSM, we’re all mesmerized by “what really happened to Flight ML 17,” and of course, its relationship, if any to Flight ML 370, the last (downed?) flight to capture us, and that went on for months!

We no longer have months to dither. We need to get cracking NOW. Or is it too late? As one commentator said about one of the many latest posts that point towards inevitable global destruction: “This used to be a call to action. Now it’s an interesting data point on the way to extinction.”


Yep. Whether “Sheeple,” or “Awake,” we’re magnetized by FL ML 17.  ;)

http://exopermaculture.com/2014/07/21/fl-ml17-did-you-know-that-the-vast-field-of-smoking-carnage-may-actually-be-a-tiny-roadside-crash-site-read-on/

P.S.: The Corbett Report has a good “open source investigation.”

Via Bill.
Flight MH 17′s Tiny Roadside Crash Site (IMAGES)
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/flight-mh17s-tiny-roadside-crash-site-images/#more-30613

Now WHERE have we seen such UNDAMAGED passports after an airliner was TOTALLY DESTROYED before?                   ???                          





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Re: Hydrocarbon Crooks Evil Actions
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2018, 11:26:18 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: This is a repost form the summer of 2014.

UPDATED MH17 Downing background Context and Cause Hypothesis by Agelbert
(several typos fixed too!  ;D)

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I do think most armies would have radar systems that were sophisticated enough to tell the difference furthermore I think it is quite likely the intelligence of most nations could track the movements of the head of state particularly if they were in a state of semi-war with the said nation. I feel whatever happened it is likely this plane was shot down intentionally and it is just a question of figuring out what the motive behind the attack was.


As a former air traffic controller I can tell you EXACTLY how the big ones paint on the screen of RAW radar versus the small ones. Now, of course, most airliners have mode S transponders. That means they CAN'T TURN OFF THE ALTITUDE READOUT along with the ground speed and aircraft ID like they used to be able to do before Mode S. Of course Putin's plane is going to stand out like a sore thumb versus a civilian airliner for reasons I won't go into.  8)

My theory is that Samantha Power and her war loving neocon friends are delivering a message (on behalf of the "DEFEND THE DOLLAR AT ALL COSTS" fossil fuel/bank oligarchy) to ANYONE planning to join the BRIC plan to **** can the almighty dollar as the reserve currency.

As JD pointed out in so many words,  ;D , I have a tremendous capacity for the obvious. 

Question AG,
How could the MH-17 crew have known there was an aircraft approaching from underneath unless ATC told them it was there?  I know that large aircraft have a radar in their nose to see out into the dark and avoid objects in front of them.  I know this because I got to ride in the jump seat of an MD-80 that belonged to the US GOV and that little radar screen was right in the middle of their instrument panel.  Also, what is the flight data recorder going to tell the investigators other than everything went to **** in a hurry?

My understanding of what you have said on this topic is that Kiev ATC knew which aircraft was which and that the question now is who authorized the attack and what was used?   R-60 (I think that is the AA-12) missile from an SU-25 or the ground based SA-11?  The fact that the MH-17 was rerouted and told to descend to 31,000 feet suggests that there intention was to line them up for a kill by the SU-25.

Now, if, we were all so lucky that identifiable missile parts were recovered at the crash site, then one would have their answer.  As to who ordered it, the government in Kiev is on the hook regardless as the "separatists" don't have any aircraft and don't have a radar unit to support the SA-11 missile.  Since Moscow is off the hook, there are fewer people to blame...

Okay, let's take it from the top.

1) Yeah a Malaysian Airliner with a bunch of people in it was shot down. What do inquiring minds with a lick of sense do first?

2) DUH, there is war going on in Ukraine, right?  ::) RIGHT! And the US fascist proxies that STARTED that war have ZERO communication (i.e. command and control instructions) with DA BOYZ in our "intelligence" neocon network, right? WRONG! Rest assured that 24/7, both Russian and US ASSETS are TASKED with FULL chain of command 24/7 consultation and weapons inventory condition (position at x, y, z locations, etc. and READY OR NOT for release as well as capabilities). Fog of war, my ass! This is BASIC **** in a proxy war with the PRESENT SURVEILLANCE capabilities of both (except ours are better than Russia's) countries.

I had to make flip/strip chart maps a pilot strapped to his knee for fighter and bomber pilots flying into a war zone (Viet Nam) to deliver ordinance. I had to mark all the missile sites, triple A (Anti Aircraft Artillery), troop concentrations as well as radar signatures (the shape they form on SLIR, FLIR and or plain radar) of populated/industrial targets for ease of id and destruction.

I DID THIS from satellite and drone RECON (Yeah ,we HAD those in Viet Nam - they were carried on B-52s, dropped and flown around by RC, flown out and then recovered with lots of good photos  ). I had to go over them on "Light" tables with stereo goggles running two rolls of negatives. I could SEE the ground in 3D and I had a neato little device that looks like a jewelers eye piece with measurement line references inscribed on them. I could measure anything down there within one foot (wing spans, fuel tanks, missiles, artillery, buildings, etc.).

I could, since I knew the Lat Long and exact time the photos were taken, measure a building shadow and know the height of said building, bridge or whatever. WE KNEW from day to day WTF was going on down there over 50 years ago!

We KNOW EXACTLY what is going on in places like the Ukraine with FAR MORE PRECISION NOW, PERIOD. And our GOONS have a LOVE affair with the fascists there going. They get MONEY from us to DESTABILIZE the country to keep Russia on the defensive. That's the overall SCORE. Anybody claiming otherwise is FULL OF ****. Russia is no saint but they aren't deliberately fomenting a revolution in MEXICO to install a government HOSTILE to the USA. And **** anybody that claims the analogy doesn't hold. It does.

3) When a deliberate confrontation such as the Ukraine is executed, mistakes are made, of course. But the overall plan is run through thousands of computer simulations with variables inputted along the way. The results that give the right plausible deniability and further our predatory "destroy Russia because they don't want to kiss our ass" policy are "gamed". ALL THIS HAPPENS BEFORE the top dogs HERE even START to generate a "colored" revolution in the Ukraine. Get it? YEARS ago this was gamed. The airliner was PART of that "simulation". It's an excellent flash point to get people to LOOK in the "right" direction for the goal here. The computer said all the destabilizing stuff would work. Now people blogging here can hem an haw about what the agenda is (**** BRIC or not, **** Putin or not, CNN credibility or not, fog of war or not, SAVE fossil fueldom or not by wasting people form a nation leading in renewable energy or not, Pay Back or not for the FOUNDER of Malayasian Airlines having participated on the war crimes tribunal that found the USA and Israeli TOP LEADERS guilty or a combination of the above) but the downing of the airliner WAS NOT A MISTAKE.

4) WHY? Because of the CONTEXT. This destabilization was planned, as was the Syrian destabilization. The Syrian destabilization was stymied. WHY? They asked the computer. BECAUSE, the elements that WERE present in operations like 9/11 were ABSENT in Syria (destroyed airliner - works every time - claims the computer...). Plausible deniability can be engendered by emulating the Korean Airlines operation (except our goons have to shoot it down this time rather than suckering Russia into downing it - they won't fall for it because their radar is far too accurate to mistake an airliner for a bomber or combat aircraft, PERIOD).

5) SO, they watched as the Ukrainian operation started to peter out. They asked for a GO on  operation down a big bird to keep the operation from being stymied like Syria. They provided a list of airlines that flew the route and the top ones on the **** list (Malaysian for BRIC support and War Crimes Tribunal - A TWO-FER bit of payback!).

6) The top dogs made a list ditch effort to stop the new currency effort with a few veiled threats made privately to Putin. Putin gave them the finger. The operation was approved. The rest is history.

7) Putin knows the score. He does not want WWIII. WE are the crazy uncle here, not Russia. WE  WANT WWIII, no matter the COST! Don't believe me? Reagan said, after watching the movie "The Day After" that the military assured him we could win the war with only 150 million American casualties. He wrote in his diary that "Those people are CRAZY". GUESS WHO "those people " WERE/ARE? Yep, their representatives are STILL THERE.

8) Now I don't care if you think our country is rational and reasonable. You are just plain wrong. So, how could these "crazies" be so calculating, analytical and careful to do this "flawless" demonizing of Russia for allegedly downing a Malaysia Airliner? Doesn't a crazy psycho make mistakes in the "fog" of war? Actually, they don't. WHY? because they PLAN this ****.

9) It will get worse after a brief pause to see how many more cowards they have gotten to tow the fossil fuel/bank oligarchy running the USA and SOME of Europe. The target is RUSSIA BECAUSE they are HURTING the DOLLAR. That is not going to change any time soon. That is the correct context. Several years into the future, thousands of scenarios are IN THE CAN, including nuclear winter. Our goons WILL NOT accept the defeat that comes with a multi-polar, renewable energy, more democratic world with no mad dog USA ****ting wherever and whenever we like. That ends my rant on context. Now for the Down a Big Bird Operation hypothesis (I hope this isn't a "Three Days of the Condor" thing because this may be my last post if I got it exactly right...).



10) CAS is Collision Avoidance Radar. All airliners have it.  Also all air traffic control systems have a program called Conflict Alert. It blinks the data blocks of two targets that will have less than minimum separation standards with AMPLE TIME (a few minutes or so) for the air traffic controller to warn at least one of the aircraft. On board the aircraft CAS goes off and collision avoidance instructions are shouted at the crew. BUT, an airliner cannot escape a missile. The aircraft has just nose radar BUT it has a data link to atc radar and CAN receive conflict alert data to activate CAS (aircraft overtaking or in conflict  due to projected crossing trajectories by heading or altitude).


11) Missile targeting: There are several ways to do this. When a missile is released, it mostly does its own thing BECAUSE it flies so fast that the delay in reaction from an RC signal could cause a flight path error resulting in a miss.

12) The heat seeking capability (a no brainer for a HUGE IR signal like Airliner engines) is NOT exclusive in flight path targeting. An on board computer also has trajectory computation of the target. The target is LOCKED or it isn't. If it's NOT LOCKED, the missile does not explode. Yes, they have proximity destruction mechanisms that explode the missile before it hits. The reason for that is that missiles are delicate devices and they might NOT explode if the hit the target before they explode.

The downing of the airliner was NO MISTAKE.

The air traffic controllers SAW IT HAPPEN with conflict alert going off a minute or so before it happened. The new vector given to the flight could have been a "vector for traffic: 12:00 o'clock altitude unknown" (a LIE). ATC is COMPLICIT here JUST AS IT WAS on 9/11. The pilot would turn to the new heading - he has no choice unless he claims the new heading will send him into bad weather and asks for another heading.

UPDATE: I checked the flight path on MH17 and he MUST have been vectored for some other reason tha "traffic" because it's a LARGE deviation and a constant one. If they told him it was for weather and he didn't see it on his radar, they would have difficulties getting him to obey. The pilot  knew damned good and well where the war is going on and would question it. SO, the best way to get him to "deviate" is to calim CAT (clear air turbulence reports) on is planned rout. You can't see that on radar and it CAN tear an airplaner apart so the pilot WOULD comply. Those atc tapes make the atc person look like he was just doing his job, rather than setting up the bird for a plausible deniability kill operation.

The Crew had a warning, (NOT when the fighter was beneath them as long as the trajectory of the fighter was not angled at the big bird - but the instant the fighter locked on to the big bird, the CAS went off) and MIGHT have said something BUT they had only seconds to react because from lock on to missile launch to impact at a few kilometers is a few seconds.

All this is OBVIOUS **** that the press WIL NOT GO INTO and talks about ridiculous idiodic stuff like the paint job of Putin's plane versus Malaysia Airlines. GOOD GRIEF! Eyesight doesn't have **** to do with downing an airliner at 33,000 feet!


13) The Flight Data Recording on the aircraft is NOT the important one. It will have a CAS or a conflict alert warning but may not have the id or trajectory of the object in conflict. The ATC facility tape of the PVD (plan view display with digitized data blocks of all the aircraft) which is saved for two weeks NORMALLY is where the true evidence is.

Consequently, the Ukranianis have a nice adulterated copy. BUT, the goons that ran this operation could not keep several other nations (like Russia, China and Malaysiai) that routinely monitor the ATC digitized feed from having the whole enchilada. Why doesn't Putin put it all out there? LOL! That's not how this "game" is played. Most people here KNOW that. Our news media KNOWS that. That's why they ask that dumb ****ing, innocent sounding question! Patience is, as you can see, not my strong forte. There is a lot of very clever duplicity being propagated on the downing of this Big Bird. ANYBODY that claims there isn't is INSTANTLY suspect of pushing propaganda, in my view.

You have just heard an EXPERT opinion by a former Intelligence Operations Specialist and Air Traffic Controller. You are free to believe it or not. Still, most people won't believe it unless it's written in the New York Times or they watch it on CNN. Only puny secrets need protection; big secrets are protected by public incredulity. I know how this works. God help us.
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2018, 11:27:18 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: This is a repost form the summer of 2014.
"Russia" posts satellite video of moment the Ukrainian BUK-M1 is launched

The above is NOT from the Russian Government. It is disinformation. The IR signature of the fields and the rocket launch are from some other place with no relation to MH17. I've studied it. My AFSC (Air force Specialty Code) was a DUAL AFSC (Intelligence Operations Specialist/Photo interpreter). I was even told I could get a job with (GASP!) an Oil company checking pipeline photos for ruptures.  I'm glad I didn't get to work with MKing! 

 I can read terrain expertly although this video was not that hard to check against the last 12 miles of MH17. It does not Match! But this disinfo video is QUITE CLEVER. Notice how they show a missle launch going WEST to EAST with absolutely NO reference to ACTUAL true north. The idea is for you to ASS-U-ME that true north is the top of the video. It's BS but pretty nifty BS. LOL! The aircraft WAS flying (Heading 118) east- southeast when it was downed but the video, absent orientation, date and Lat Long, would have been of some value IF the terrain and building pattern matched somewhere along the last 12 miles or so of MH17's flight. No dice.

Nevertheless, I'm thankful to Surly for posting that video because the comments section has some very valuable (and truthful because it can be corroborated) information.

So here is what the last 12 miles of MH17 look like and the debris field of the crash with LAT LONG information and a close up. No, you still can't make out aircraft parts specifically but this is where all those pictures of parts and bpdies are coming from so I accept it as accurate.
 


Palloy,
You asked why won't Putin just "put it all out there". As you said before, Putin has the trump cards. Yes, I realize this is a VERY deadly game but if you have the best cards, you want to play them at the right moment. The accurate information will be used to KEEP countries from being intimidated by the brutal destruction of MH17 privately. You know that no matter what Russia puts out there publicly, if THEY say it, our f**king media will claim night is day and day is night until the cows come home.

I learned from Knarf that in 1983 we came a hair's breath from all out nuclear war. Only a smart missile launch control officer from Russia refused to launch with the launch signal blaring, not once, but Twice! There's a video on it out there that shows how crazy things get when someone is (US) deliberately escalating tensions in the service of the almighty US dollar. Over 200 million PEOPLE were going to DIE and it's taken DECADES for people like me to find out about it. And I'm SURE most people STILL don't know about it. Those successful cover-ups of close calls is precisely what gave the bastards that ran 9/11 the confidence to pull that bit of murdering crap off!

But don't worry, the truth is NOT going to be buried like it was on 9/11.

POSSIBLE 2016 NUCLEAR WAR TO SAVE THE DOLLAR, DIRTY ENERGY, STOP GLOBAL WARMING and KILL OFF THE "EXCESS" POPULATION TOO!
 



The barbaric BS that is probably IN THE CAN (if the corporate bastards don't get what they want) planned for a possible 2016 nuclear attack and a "brief" nuclear winter to end global warming, ANY resistance to dirty energy or US global hegemony as well as the elimination of millions of "useless eaters" in the industrialized world population (minus the one percent, OF COURSE ) will not take place as long as we all keep blasting it out there that the crazies must be IGNORED for the survival of mankind.

Yeah, the crazies have to be imprisoned too. But for now, the job is to undermine the mendacity of our media that kowtows to corporate, conscience free, 'kill anybody in the way of the modern feudalists' GOONS disguised as "capitalists".


They will lose. However, if they unleash nuclear war thinking stupidly that they can limit it, the term NBL (Nature Bats Last) will take a back seat to the ultimate insanity of NbcBL (NUCLEAR BAT s h i t CRAZIES BATTED LAST). God help us.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2018, 11:30:05 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: This is a repost form the summer of 2014.

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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2018, 11:33:59 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: This is a repost form the summer of 2014.

Here's a VERY INTERESTING bit of MH370 information that gives MORE CONTEXT to MH17.  ;)


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Seems there are more 'Plans' for All of We The People of Planet Earth.
 I give you Flight 370.
 Flight 370 'vanished' with 227 passengers and 12 crew.
 Of the passengers, 20 intel people from throughout the world who were the foremost electronic
 warfare experts, were on board.

 Flight 370 received a 'highly suspicious cargo, traced to the Indian Ocean, from the US Flagged
 container ship, MV Maersk.

 The US Seals whom were assigned to protect it, Mark Kennedy and Jeff Reynolds, were found
 to be dead. They were employed by the Virginia Beach secret security firm, Trident Group.
 The cargo aboard Flight 370 was Atomic or Biological materials, diverted by the US Navy to the
 secret air base, Diego Garcia.

 Flight 370 diversion occurred during the time that 'all' of the Spratly Island communications operated by China Mobile were 'automatically' jammed.

 The US Navy was able to divert Flight 370 to its Diego Garcia Base because ER is equipped with a
 'fly by wire' FBD system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with 'electronic interface', allowing it to be 'controlled' like any Drone style aircraft.

 Most think of this as 'remote control'.

 American mainstream media has yet to report or question, let alone, Demand 'disclosure'.

Consider THIS:
Malaysia Airlines ALSO lost contact with MH17. IF you can usurp the fly by wire computer circuitry of an airliner so it flies like a drone (WE KNOW THAT CAN BE DONE!), you can also disable AICARS (the data link with the company from the flight) by remote control.

NOW, if you ARE NOT HIJACKING A PLANE, how do you keep the crew from KNOWING they are off course and taking measures to OVERRIDE the remote control (yes, that certainly CAN be done!)?

By FAKING the map display (FEEDING IT ALTERED LAT LONGS) on the aircraft! That is child's play if you have fly by wire control and AICARS jamming.  But there's more. An airliner has MORE than one radio transmitter as well as the capability of transmitting an ELT (emergency locator transmitter) signal. The crew did not do that.

The terrain below the normal route and the altered route is not that different to human eyesight so the goons might have been able to fool the pilots that only malfunction was AICARS and everything else was hunky jake. After all, the crew reasoned, we ARE talking with ATC so we are in GOOD HANDS, aren't WE?   

But there is an upside to this. There is NO WAY IN HELL that an airline crew will get fooled anymore. They will have to KILL the crew during the flight to get a repeat of this sneaky scenario.

Yeah, the horses have left the barn, so to speak. Now the airlines have HAD IT with governments and ATC. The TRUST is GONE. For the next generation (if we last that long) the byword will be PORTABLE redundant communication AND even a backup navigation laptop computer capable of overriding on board computer systems the pilots CARRY with them so no matter what kind of computer sabotage is done to the aircraft, the saboteur will NOT be able to make the plane go where they want to go QUIETLY.

IOW, the upside is that the GOONS won't be downing airliners for DECADES unless they are doing it in an all out war where plausible deniability is unnecessary. Of course the old "RC explosives on board" will remain as an option "on the table". Have a nice day.
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 05:25:41 pm »
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I think it likely that the remaining hegemons will say -- time to withdraw to the Western Hemisphere (except maybe keep the sea lanes open to Nigerian and Angolan oil). If so, then I think the West has better long-term prospects than the East.

I hope you are right. But the MO of the goons (with a CONSISTENT historical track record) in charge that you are totally ignoring makes your wish look more like a prayer than a serious possibility.

THE MO of the neocon has a LONG history. As a scholar, you probably know it better than I do but you JUST DO NOT WANT TO GO THERE. It's time you did.

Let me refresh your memory on how this works:

Richard Nixon was the first (in our country - as far as I know) to espouse the policy of acting super belligerent and crazy as a foreign policy tactic. The purpose is to intimidate the other nation into acting "reasonable" and acceding to our predatory corporate demands RATHER THAN BEING DESTROYED. You need to convince the other nation that you will gladly go beyond the brink even if your economy will be hampered by it! This BULLY policy has gotten more polished but it's still the same basic MO.  Look up some quotes from the Republican speaker of the house (Gingrich). He said NEVER back down. When an opponent attempts to negotiate a settlement agreeable to both, DOUBLE DOWN on the threats. Never admit fault. Never go on the defensive. Always remain on the offensive. THAT is the MO that you want to pretend does not DOMINATE US foreign policy.

The problem with that type of MO is that it leads to WAR if the other party does not back down. It has worked BECAUSE it has been used on WEAK countries for the past few decades. If you think Russia is going to back down here, you just do not understand the situation.

Russia, by the way, STILL has complete underground cities and an extensive plan to survive (as well as possible under the circumstances - they KNOW how to grow food in sealed areas - they did a multiyear study to simulate a closed food system on mars) a full scale nuclear attack. Have you forgotten that?

The people doing this in our country have LOST IT. They aren't PRETENDING to be crazy. They have GONE CRAZY! It's called megalomania born of too many monstrous "successes" like Iraq and 9/11. 

It happened in Germany before WWII. We are there. Only some smart people that can counter them INSIDE our government will avoid WWIII. The neocons BELIEVE, like the crazies Reagan spoke about in the 1980s (you've got to be pretty crazy to be to the right of Reagan!) that "we" can win a nuclear war. They will NOT EVER accept a multi-polar world. That's the reality. We are all in danger as long as they are commanding our government sponsored terrorism.

All that said, I envy your ability to pretend all this is an illusion. That means your stress hormones are probably lower than mine and you will never have heart disease from stress.

I wish it was an illusion. I don't think so. I remember how you claimed Fossil fuels had NOT gamed the playing field against renewable energy in the 1980s as if dirty energy actually WON the cost competition in those days. I gave you all sorts of circumstantial evidence but since it wasn't in the New York Times, I guess you remained unconvinced.

Watch this two minute tape. Accept EVERYTHING on it as true. If you don't, then watch the entire video the clip comes from and you WILL see the evidence for yourself. You were wrong to think fossil fueldom did not screw us back then and continues to screw us now. These people are not stupid; they are evil. But I agree that if this is all an illusion, it does not really matter...

Fossil Fuel Government 2 minute Video Clip FULL VIDEO, "The Age of Stupid": 


corruptio optimi pessima

THIS is not an illusion:
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 05:56:30 pm »
The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said. 
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 06:01:46 pm »

The neocon bastards that have used our government to do this HORROR have no humanity whatsoever. Prison is too good for these Wall/War Street GOONS!
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 06:08:55 pm »
This is from a Malaysian airlines A380, not a B777-200ER, but it is a fitting memorial to those on that MH17 ill fated flight. Like all of us on this planet hurtling though uncharted space to who knows what end, we go on until we can't.   :(

Fellow humans of MH17, R.I.P.


I wonder, do the murderers of innocents like those in the aircraft above ever have second thoughts about killing for power and profit? It seems they don't.                 
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 06:18:43 pm »
Donald Trump is a graduate of West Point and a true patriot.

The voters chose wisely.


If they are anything like you, clearly not very well informed voters.   As Eddie has demonstrated, Trumpovetsky never went to West Point.

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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2018, 06:19:42 pm »
Judge a man by his actions then his words. Trump does not act or behave with the temperament of one that has gone to a prestigious school. To that requires intelligence, perseverance and general self-control. Trump lacks all of those things. He is not dumb but neither is he intelligent. He is a good manipulator but he has an ego that is bigger than even RE (if such a thing is possible). And since he has been rich or in power most of his life... Well the results speak for itself or in today's case twitter!

Also Trump is not a man of integrity so I do not think it is fitting to call him a patriot.



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In Virginia, Black Clergy 🕊 Lead Charge Against Fossil Fuel 🦖 Lobby

Black communities in Virginia, led in large part by faith leaders, are galvanizing against fossil fuel lobby messaging specifically targeted to them, according to a new report from Grist.

A Koch-funded gospel concert to surreptitiously promote oil and gas held in Richmond in 2016 generated significant backlash in the community, activists say--and encouraged many community members and faith leaders to reconsider how the fossil fuel industry targets and exploits black Americans. "God didn’t put me on this earth to pimp death ☠️ for profit," Rev. Paul Wilson   , who took up arms against environmental racism after the concert and was recently arrested protesting the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, told Grist. "That’s what the
Kochs 🦕 and these energy folks 😈 are doing to my people now.

It’s up to us in the church to stop it."
   

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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2018, 06:27:08 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: The following article is excellent. It provides evidence of the stubborn, as well as stupid, internal combustion engine worshipping position of most, if not ALL, US gas guzzler manufacturers. The article exposes the breathtaking hypocrisy of lobbying the Trump Tool of the fossil fuel industry for lower fuel efficiency standards while claiming to "plan" to manufacture and market millions of EVs abroad.

The fossil fuelers 🦖 have always used greenwashing PR  to hide their continued support of the polluting profit over people and planet status quo. [/b][/color]

Another example of ongoing greenwashing by these serial liars who profit from fossil fuels, not mentioned in this article, is the announcement by Statoil (the Norwegian Oil & Gas Giant) to change their name to Equinor using the rather threadbare justification of recent (but in comparison to oil & gas, token) investments in wind power.

I included the recent comments on the US polluting car manufacturers' hypocrisy article because they are even better than the article.  ;D

Automakers Tout Overseas EV Investments 😇, While Lobbying For Lower Fuel Standards In US 😈

March 17th, 2018 by Guest Contributor

Originally published on Nexus Media.

By Owen Agnew

SNIPPET:

In 2009, President Obama, flanked by auto executives in the White House Rose Garden, announced new fuel efficiency standards for automobiles. The new standards, which came on the heels of the auto industry bailout, had the support of carmakers. Dave McCurdy, then-president of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, an industry trade group, said in a statement that “what’s significant about the announcement is it launches a new beginning, an era of cooperation.”

Now, the Auto Alliance 😈 is lobbying the Trump 🦀 administration  🦖 to reevaluate  ;) the standards and delay the timeline for reaching future targets — even as automakers develop new electric cars to be sold overseas.

Full article:

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/17/automakers-tout-overseas-ev-investments-lobbying-lower-fuel-standards-us/

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Steve_S • 6 hours ago
"push for regulations that would bring the United States in line with Europe and China“

LMAO seriously, under Trump it will NEVER HAPPEN ! His belligerent disdain for everyone aside from the US is palpable just like how he believes that anyone making less than 1 million a year is a "Deplorable" and they are but chattel to me manipulated.

You can be certain that the Big-3 will again need bailouts and will have their hands out and fingers dipping into the public wallet because they sat on the sidelines in their own Home Market. I hope that their attempts in Europe & China actually fail and ultimately shoves them out to the fringes. Not because I want to hurt "people" working for these fossilized companies but because this is what these companies deserve for their ongoing part in gassing the world. Their duplicity should be the cause of their demise.


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Harry Johnson • 5 hours ago
Automakers need to prepare for their cigarette moment. Selling products harmful to people's health and the environment can no longer be morally justified. The LA area has seen harmful ozone levels rise over the last two years with 145 alert days. Burning bans are routinely enacted around the country on smoggy days, why should that exclude burning gas and diesel?


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BigWu Harry Johnson • 2 hours ago
Excellent post and interesting idea re extending burn bans to fuels!

If owners were banned from burning fuel nearly 1/3 of the time in car-loving LA, surely that would induce VERY rapid electrification of the fleet.

Furthermore, such a burn ban makes more sense IMO than year-round bans being proposed by some cities. It keeps it directly tied to health, thus avoiding silly flat earther and magical thinking counterarguments.


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exdent11 • 5 hours ago
U.S. car manufacturer executives have short memories. They got caught with excess inventory of gas guzzlers in 2008 and it is going to happen again. Some tech companies are going to produce affordable,low maintenance SUV and light truck electric platforms with superior performance and the American companies will be left behind.


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Fred exdent11 • 4 hours ago
Electric technology innovation will either be their savior or their killer. At this moment, it appears that FCA is a goner, and Ford and GM will end up being about 1/3 the size of today. The Asian and European makers have the same day of reckoning coming too, regardless of today's stance on fuel economy.


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Martin  exdent11 • 4 hours ago
Yes, just look what happened in Germany. The German post office wanted EV's, was told they could not be provided, so they build them themselves and are selling them as well. :)


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Steve_S  Martin • 4 hours ago
Maybe German Post could start it's own EV Company with partnerships with parts makers... Could be a great income source for the Post Office & Government too ! The German PO is still a Government operation right ?


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George Danchev Steve_S • 30 minutes ago
A small portion is owned by the government.


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Fred • 5 hours ago
Who cares if they relax fuel economy standards? The whole system is a mess anyway, especially in the US but even in Europe too, because various commercial vehicles get exempted or various sliding scales. Electric technology is preparing sweep the market due to the raw economics and raw performance, rendering all of these rules irrelevant anyway. Technology innovation and the free-market economics have proven to be a far more powerful a force than quotas etc in the fields of solar and wind generation; the economics of coal are killing coal, not quotas and restrictions for example. I'm optimistic that technology will quickly wipe out the combustion engine for ground transport, so none of this really matters.

Do we want to do something that will work and make a difference? Then apply fuel economy metrics and standards that will have a huge impact, then buildings should all be measured and get a performance rating for "mpg", like some European countries have begun to do. Every building, whether residential or commercial, should have a required energy performance evaluation at the time of construction, resale, or rental, with a roadmap to cover the entire inventory over several years. This area remains completely opaque to society and consumes vast amounts of hydrocarbons to heat and cool.


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Tony Reyes Fred • 41 minutes ago
Exactly my thoughts.


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Matt • 3 hours ago
So I guess Tom Stricker point is we need a massive raise in the fuel tax. Say increase $0.10/month for next 3 years. The would shape the demand better MPG vehicles so people will want to buy them. And we would not need to raise corp milage standards. Money raised can go to bridge repair, we are short at least $100B for that right now. Oh and the Highway Trust Fund is currently insolvent. We get a bite into the back long can move to improve mass transit. Once above $1/gal half the monthly raise can go to the state road fund. They can use it for their road costs, or mass transit, or EV infrastructure, or reduced their gas tax if they are hard headed.

PS: Yes a better plan would be $0.50 now and $0.05/month, but congress has refused for years to even talk about an increase. They just keep decreasing number of repairs and inspections.

PPS: Don't want to hear s h i t about it would hurt he poor. The poor are hurt much more but other regressive taxes. And since they don't own several large SUVs they are less impacted. We do some many mean and hurt things in this country and then say we can't fix it because it might hurt the poor. Instead let get off our collect asses and address the income inequality in the country. And saying we don't have to because Jesus said there would "aways be poor" is ....


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Fred Matt • 3 hours ago
This has certainly been the obvious technical and economic answer since the 1970s. Even a revenue-neutral gas tax would have helped greatly. I'm good at engineering and economics. Terrible at governing humans and politics, however and I don't see how this could ever fly.

Meanwhile, over in the fields of technical innovation, electric powertrains are going to decimate combustion ground transport due to superior economics and performance.


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steveb944 • an hour ago
And that's why the only American car I'll consider is Tesla, well the only car in general.


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Bugz • 44 minutes ago
End the 20 billion a year tax incentives for Oil and coal serving essentially as subsidies to the industry and let's see if it even holds up to what people would be required to pay at that point. Then I'd be all for removing any standards, but this will never occur because the forces of the global petrol dollar are shaking in their boots at the thought of losing their established and entrenched stranglehold on the global economies.


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sjc_1 Bugz • 18 minutes ago
If oil companies had to pay the real costs of oil and not get depletion allowances, they would operate more ethically. It is a co dependence that has gone on for more than 100 years.


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sjc_1 • 20 minutes ago
Sell a few thousand EVs in China while they 😈 sell a few million trucks and SUVs in the U.S.


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Ken Cova • 19 minutes ago
“Automakers Tout Overseas EV Investments, While Lobbying For Lower Fuel Standards In US”

Good reporting. It’s this sort of crap that gives Capitalism a bad name.

This is just one more example of why — as a people — we Americans need to be setting the boundaries and guardrails for the corporations, and not the other way around. The companies and their lobbyists need to be shoved back into their own lane, so they can concentrate on doing their businessy things, and so the rest of us can get on with running the place as we’re supposed to be doing.

The irony is that if the business community would just focus on actually doing business instead of trying to run our entire society they’d still manage to make oodles of cash. Having sensible guardrails to limit the damage that companies can do to people and places does nothing to inhibit their opportunity to make a buck.


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Black Ministers In Virginia Tell Koch Brothers 👹 😈To Shove Their Petrodollars

March 17th, 2018 by Steve Hanley

SNIPPET:

I got slapped around a bit last week for a story condemning the Koch brothers that used a word in the title some found offensive. If anyone wonders why my Irish ire gets inflamed by these two charlatans, perhaps this story will explain why they may be the most dangerous individuals in America today and why, in the words of Arnold Schwarzenegger, they deserve to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.


A Deliberate Attack On The Poor

No two people on the planet have done more to seize control of the levers of power than Charles 🦕 and David Koch 🦖  . They, not Donald Trump, have plunged America into a dystopian era where poor people are treated as trash to be wiped from the face of the Earth while the wealthy — who are predominantly white males — are given extravagant tax breaks for no other reason than they have the “correct” skin color.

Make no mistake — racism is at the root of much of what the Koch brothers do. They are behind the drive to gerrymander state voting districts so the political power of blacks and Latinos is diminished. They are the primary architects of the movement to deny poor people access to polling places. And, recently, one of their despicable front organizations by the name of Fueling US Forward was heavily involved in trying to get black churches in Virginia to support the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, which will transmit natural gas from West Virginia to eastern Virginia and the rest of the Atlantic seaboard.

Full truth filled article:

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/17/black-ministers-virginia-tell-koch-brothers-shove-petrodollars/

The Fossil Fuelers 🦖 DID THE Clean Energy  Inventions suppressing, Climate Trashing, human health depleting CRIME,   but since they have ALWAYS BEEN liars and conscience free crooks 🦀, they are trying to AVOID   DOING THE TIME or     PAYING THE FINE!     Don't let them get away with it! Pass it on!   
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