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Donald Trump Owns This Iran Crisis
« Reply #315 on: June 21, 2019, 11:49:08 am »
Donald Trump Owns This Iran Crisis
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/donald-trump-owns-this-iran-crisis/

Donald Trump Owns This Iran Crisis

Donald Trump Owns This Iran Crisis
President Donald Trump. (Gage Skidmore / Flickr)

The warmongers on Trump’s national security team apparently convinced him to set in motion an aerial strike against Iran Thursday in retaliation for the downing of a US drone over waters claimed by Iran.

Then at the last minute—according to reporting by Michael D. Shear, Eric Schmitt, Michael Crowley and Maggie Haberman at the New York Times—Trump seems to have listened to generals who warned him that things could spiral out of control, even into war. He issued a stand down order. At least for now.

It isn’t even clear that there was a casus belli. On domestic issues, the U.S. press is locked into an one-the-one-hand, on-the-other-hand disastrous story-telling mode that has enormously benefited those pushing falsehoods such as that cigarettes don’t cause cancer or putting greenhouse gases into the atmosphere does not cause global heating.

Yet, when it comes to reporting on international security affairs, most U.S. reporting does not fall more than an inch from the Pentagon line of the day (often this dishonesty is the work of editors and publisher-owners rather than the fault of news-gathering reporters, as we saw at McClatchy during the Iraq War).

We heard all about the way Trump attempted to walk back his tough talk, saying that he was sure that Iran shot down the U.S. drone by accident. The statement, like his later stand down order, is a clear sign of the division between him and his warmongering appointees, such as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and national security adviser John Bolton.

Trump created this crisis by breaching the 2015 Iran nuclear deal. Having pocketed Iran’s mothballing of 80 percent of its uranium enrichment program, Trump slapped the harshest sanctions ever seen against any country on Iran, unilaterally and in the teeth of opposition from NATO allies and the permanent members of the UN Security Council. In other words, he screwed Iran over. Europe cannot stop the U.S. sanctions, since they are third-party sanctions and European firms who do business both in the U.S. and in Iran will be fined billions of dollars for their dealings with Tehran.

So Trump’s attempts to back peddle from his hard liners are useless as long as the U.S. has a financial blockade on Iran preventing it from selling its petroleum. A naval blockade preventing a country from exporting a key commodity is considered an act of war in international law. It is hard to see the difference between that and an effective financial blockade. Same outcome.

The U.S. press almost never interviews non-U.S. world leaders, especially those to whom Washington is hostile. It is almost as though when it comes to national security reporting, American news outlets go into war propaganda mode. Warmongers in high office know all about this phenomenon and use it to get the wars they crave.

So with regard to the shooting down of the U.S. drone by Iran, I think it is important to hear the Iranian side of the story. It may be false, it may be Iranian war propaganda. We can decide that once we’ve heard it.

BBC Monitoring translated from a Persian website the statement from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps:

    • “The Global Hawk surveillance drone took off from one the US bases in the south of the Persian Gulf at 0014 [1944 gmt] and disabled its identification system in a move contravening aviation regulations. It secretly flew from the Strait of Hormuz to Chabahar and on its way back travelling westward, the unmanned aerial vehicle violated the territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran in the region of Strait of Hormuz and started collecting information and spying,” IRGC’s statement read . . At 0405 [2335 gmt] and while the intrusive plane was inside our territories, the Guard’s aerospace defence unit shot it down.”

Source: Fars News Agency website, Tehran, in Persian 0919 gmt 20 Jun 19

In another report, Iran’s news service said that a 3 Khordad anti-aircraft missile was deployed against the drone.

If Iran is right that the drone flew into Iranian territory, the incident is still an unfortunate raising of tensions. But if it was over international waters, as the U.S. maintains, Iran was in the wrong.

One problem for these definitions is that the U.S., in accordance with the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, recognizes only 12 nautical miles off the coast as belonging to the country, whereas many nations claim a much larger portion of the sea along their coasts than that. The U.S. Air Force says that the drone was never closer to the Iranian coast than 21 nautical miles. One of the unfortunate consequences of the hostility of Trump and his capos like John Bolton to the UN and international law is that it makes it harder for the U.S. to insist with a straight face that other countries take these things seriously. Bolton once denied that the UN even exists.

In the absence of an agreement on the UN definition of territorial waters, some sort of U.S. Iran bilateral negotiations would be preferable to cowboying it.

Again, this crisis is of Trump’s making. His conviction that he could stiff Iran without consequences, all for the sake of looking tough with his MAGA base, was a serious miscalculation. It is the problem with having an ignorant and yet opinionated man at the helm of the U.S. government. He is guaranteed to make basic mistakes that put the U.S. on a war footing even though that appears to be the last thing Trump wants.

Unfortunately, Iran will provoke again, and next time the U.S. warmongers may win the argument.


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Unfortunately, Iran will provoke again, and next time the U.S. warmongers may win the argument.

Iran has never provoked. It is the USA that is doing all the provoking. The article correctly blames Trump for all this skullduggery to get the U.S. into a war with Iran (with 100% M.I.C. backing), but fails to look at the entire picture from 1953 to the present.

I will briefly do so, starting just from 1979. The U.S. M.I.C. waged Proxy war (by Iraq WITH U.S. MANUFACTURED CHEMICAL WEAPONS 👹 RUMSFELD GAVE TO IRAQ) that killed thousands of Iranian men, women and children followed by SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS and SANCTIONS all the way to the present.

In July of 1988, the U.S. ahot down an Iranian commercial airliner claiming said airliner was "mistaken" for an F14. If that is not a DELIBERATE act of war, I do not know what is. The FACT that the airliner had its transponder on, CLEARLY identifying who it was, aside for paranoid moment (i.e. the laughable, but expected, claim that it could have been an Iranian F14 "disguised" with the same code on its transponder as said airliner in order to "attack" the U.S. battledhip), radar operaters on the U.S. Ship knew, just like I KNOW, because I am an experienced air traffic controller, what the primary target of a fighter jet looks like in comparison to a large airliner (BIG, BLATANT, OBVIOUS DIFFERENCE!).

So, even if they suspected the transponder code was faked, they would clearly see that the primary target radar return was that of a much larger aircraft than that of  an F-14 fighter.

That was TOTALLY unjustified, regardless of the 1983 bombing destruction of the Lebanon barracks of U.S. Marines (attributed indirectly to Iran) that had no business being where they were in the first place. The "amnesia" in the United States of Amnesia is, as per the manufacturing of consent you correctly mentioned, rather selective.

Iran GDP was stunted while that of Saudi Arabia grew over 800% from 1990 to the present. >:( Despite continuous provoking by the U.S., Iran went out of its way to avoid confrontation.

Then there is the drone thing. It is total bullshit to say Iran knocked out said drone in international airspace. WHY? The wind patterns. If you go to nullschool, you can see the general wind patterns in the area. For a limited time, you can see the wind patterns over the exact place the drone was flying. I just made a screenshot so you can understand what is going on here (NOTE: 1 hPa = 1 mb).


The drone was obviously pointed towards Iranian terrain. It got hit with an Iranian missile and destroyed. The parts kept going ballistically for a couple of hundred yards or so before the trajectory was totally governed by gravity and the winds, which pushed said parts AWAY from the Iranian coast at the time, all the way to the ocean surface. Some wing sections, since they are lighter and can remain airborne longer, thus being more affected by the prevailing winds, may have fallen further out over the ocean.

So, because of the winds at the time of the drone's destruction, there is NO WAY that the drone could have fallen straight down into Iranian terrain.

Of particular interest when analysing this incident is the fact that this type of drone DOES is not simply look at stuff. It tests radar coverage and missile batteries that are activated by the drone flight path in order to plan how U.S. fighters and bombers can more effectively evade said defensive facilities when the war is initiated.

Therefore, Iran had no choice but to stop that gathering of military intelligence that would result in weakened defensive capabilities.

It is breathtakingly FALSE to claim that Iran is doing any "provoking" whatsoever. This "blame the victim" bullshit about how fine a line Iran should walk to avoid looking "warlike" is tiresome, considering the track record of our War PROVOKING M.I.C.!

YEAH, the M.I.C. wants Iran to be a nice little injun, roll over, invite some "objective" American inspectors in, along with a few thousand American "peace keeping" troops, of course, to give them "democracy" (good and hard) so the "great white father" in Washington (and Israel) won't get mad at them. If the Iranians "see reason", everything will be nice and dandy, won't it?
« Last Edit: June 21, 2019, 06:58:09 pm by AGelbert »
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PUBLISHED June 21, 2019

By Marjorie Cohn, Truthout


Iran Had the Legal Right to Shoot Down U.S. Spy Drone

Trump ordered military strikes against Iran to retaliate for its shootdown of a U.S. drone, but then pulled back and didn't launch them. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is falsely conflating Iran with al-Qaeda to rationalize striking Iran. But Iran has the legal right to control its airspace. The United States has no lawful claim of self-defense to justify a military attack on Iran.

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El viento sopla de donde quiere, y oyes su sonido; mas ni sabes de dónde viene, ni a dónde va;
así es todo aquel que es nacido del Espíritu. Juan 2:8

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PUBLISHED June 21, 2019

BY Jake Johnson, Common Dreams

War Survivor Ilhan Omar Makes Impassioned Case Against Iran Attack

Citing her firsthand experience of the horrors of military conflict as a refugee from war-torn Somalia, Rep. Ilhan Omar Thursday night made an impassioned case against war with Iran. "War is hell," she wrote. "Sending teenagers to die, or return with lifelong wounds seen and unseen, does not make you a bigger person. It makes you smaller."

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El viento sopla de donde quiere, y oyes su sonido; mas ni sabes de dónde viene, ni a dónde va;
así es todo aquel que es nacido del Espíritu. Juan 2:8

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Trump Pulls Back From Iran Attack as Bolton and Pompeo Continue to Push for War
BY Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!

PUBLISHED June 21, 2019

After threatening to strike Iran in retaliation for shooting down an unmanned U.S. drone, President Trump reportedly approved, and then abruptly called off, military strikes. The move came after the operation was already underway in its initial stages, with warships and planes already being put into position.

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El viento sopla de donde quiere, y oyes su sonido; mas ni sabes de dónde viene, ni a dónde va;
así es todo aquel que es nacido del Espíritu. Juan 2:8

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Iran Had the Legal Right to Shoot Down U.S. Spy Drone

Trump ordered military strikes against Iran to retaliate for its shootdown of a U.S. drone, but then pulled back and didn't launch them. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is falsely conflating Iran with al-Qaeda to rationalize striking Iran. But Iran has the legal right to control its airspace. The United States has no lawful claim of self-defense to justify a military attack on Iran.

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When you start to sift the ****, you learn that Iran and the US have different definitions of what constitutes Iran's legal airspace and operate accordingly. Not surprisingly Iran claims a wider border than. the US recognizes. A foreign policy version of heads-I-win-tails-you-lose.

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Iran Had the Legal Right to Shoot Down U.S. Spy Drone

Trump ordered military strikes against Iran to retaliate for its shootdown of a U.S. drone, but then pulled back and didn't launch them. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is falsely conflating Iran with al-Qaeda to rationalize striking Iran. But Iran has the legal right to control its airspace. The United States has no lawful claim of self-defense to justify a military attack on Iran.

Read the Article →

When you start to sift the , you learn that Iran and the US have different definitions of what constitutes Iran's legal airspace and operate accordingly. Not surprisingly Iran claims a wider border than. the US recognizes. A foreign policy version of heads-I-win-tails-you-lose.

True, but the one that plays by internationl rules here is Iran, not the USA. As a pilot and air traffic controller, I know all about the ADIZ (Air Defense Identification Zones) the USA created with TOTAL disregard for the international rules that the USA helped to craft AND is quite adamant about applying to everybody else. That's for aircraft, but it doesn't stop there.

I remember when the USA even denied foreign fishing vessels from fishing within 200 MILES of the U.S. coast because, uh, that's U.S. territory, don'tcha know?

Iran plays by the internationally accepted rules on the extent of its territorial waters next to its coast. The USA does not. What the US "recognizes" as to the Iranian territorial waters border is deliberately abusive and arbitrary. There is a formula for that in international law. Unlike the USA, the Iranians adhere to it.
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Iran vs America: What's Next?
« Reply #322 on: June 24, 2019, 06:54:51 pm »
Iran vs America: What's Next?


Thom Hartmann Program

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Jamal Abdi updated us on the new sanctions on Iran.

Trump’s Iranian sanctions are designed to force Iran into accepting what the US wants. The Iranian sanctions are Trump and Pompeo wanting the Iranian administration to change. The US sanctions on Iran are making it harder for moderate Iranians to protest their government rather than easier.

The military strikes against Iran which were stopped ten minutes before launch and has confused both Iran and the US. Are economic sanctions ever successful?

John Bolton and Mike Pompeo are running the world and running Trump. They want military action, not economic ones.

Will there be a regime change in Iran as a result of the new economic sanctions?


YEAH, the M.I.C. wants Iran to be a nice little injun, roll over, invite some "objective" American inspectors in, along with a few thousand American "peace keeping" troops, of course, to give them "democracy" (good and hard) so the "great white father" in Washington (and Israel) won't get mad at them. If the Iranians "see reason", everything will be nice and dandy, won't it?
El viento sopla de donde quiere, y oyes su sonido; mas ni sabes de dónde viene, ni a dónde va;
así es todo aquel que es nacido del Espíritu. Juan 2:8

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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #323 on: July 22, 2019, 01:24:44 pm »

JUL 22, 2019

Scapegoating Iran

By Chris Hedges —  Don’t expect U.S. politicians and generals to accept responsibility for the Mideast mess when they can blame it on Iran.

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