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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2014, 10:57:16 pm »
Hat tip to Surly1 for unearthing this gem:

2015 Will See Decisive Battles
The Empire is Crumbling, That is Why it Needs War


By Andre Vltchek

December 26, 2014 "ICH" - "Counterpunch" - -  Last night, in Beijing, I sat in a historic Szechuan restaurant with a friend who happens to be a Chinese diplomat. We exchanged some stories, ordered food, and then, suddenly, my throat felt dry and my eyes got misty.

I bowed and thanked her for the heartfelt offer China made to rescue Russia.

Just before leaving my hotel, I read the news on the RT:

“China’s foreign minister has pledged support to Russia as it faces an economic downturn due to sanctions and a drop in oil prices. Boosting trade in Yuan is a solution proposed by Beijing’s commerce minister.

‘Russia has the capability and the wisdom to overcome the existing hardship in the economic situation,’ Foreign Minister Wang Yi told journalists. China Daily reported Monday: ‘If the Russian side needs it, we will provide necessary assistance within our capacity.’”

By no means was I representing the Russian Federation here, in Beijing, nor was my friend representing China that night, at the dining table. It was an informal meeting attended by just a few friends, nothing more.

[float=left][/float]Not to mention that I am not really, ‘technically’ a Russian. Yes, I was born in Leningrad but almost my entire life I spent elsewhere… all over the world, to be precise. And in my veins, not that it really matters; it is also all confused… there circulates an explosive mixture of Russian, Chinese and European blood.

But lately, to be Russian, to me and to many others, is much more than just about blood. ‘I am a rebel; therefore I am Russian’, to paraphrase Albert Camus. Or: ‘I am Russian because I refuse to abandon the struggle.’

‘Ya Russkii!’ or ‘Cubano soy!’ It simply feels good, and makes one proud, and stronger.

***

The world is in turmoil. Like in the early 1940’s, something tremendous is gaining shape, something irreversible.

Almost all of us who have been analyzing the Empire fighting against the propaganda and nihilism it spreads, and its venomous tentacles extending to every corner of the globe, know that ‘appeasing’ Western imperialism is clearly impossible, as it is impractical, and even immoral.

Just as George W. Bush (clearly borrowing from fundamentalist Christian rhetoric), liked to say: “You are either with us or against us”. Countries are now evidently put on the spot: ‘they either accept the Western neo-colonialist doctrine’, or they get destroyed, one after another, as were Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.

No logic can help, no negotiations, no international mediation from the United Nations. The willingness to compromise is mocked. Appeals for simple human compassion do not move the rulers of the Empire even an inch.

It is clear that the Empire is preparing for the final assault. It will not back down. It will attack, destroy and annihilate. No idea when, but it will. And it will happen sooner rather than later, and with tremendous force.

Some would ask, why now? Why is there suddenly such a rush to fight the final battle for the total control over the planet?

The answer is very clear: for the first time disgust with the Empire is widespread, and worldwide. Many people are getting cured from blindness.

The mask of benevolence and rationality has been torn off by powerful media outlets based in the countries of Latin America, in Russia, China, Iran, but also in North America where the independent media is playing an increasingly important role. It is not even a matter of some elaborate ‘objectivity’, anymore. To get things right, it is enough to call fascism by its real name, as it is sufficient to identify mass murder perpetrated by the Empire on all continents!

The mask has fallen and what is now exposed is horrifying: the face of a monster, with blood and pus, a greedy grin and merciless fangs. It is a monster that is still in love with itself, unable to see its dreadfulness. It remains proud of its fundamental religious dogma, which it often doesn’t even see as ‘religious’. It dwells on self-righteousness, and at the same time, on its twisted market-fundamentalist faith that everything and everybody are for sale. It is a monster full of complexes – both those of superiority and inferiority.

It is not a happy monster and the people it produces are mostly miserable, lonely and scared. But it cannot change, it cannot back-up, it cannot let go. It would rather destroy its children and the world, than to admit that it went totally wrong, for years, decades and centuries.

Now many people have had enough, and some have even forgotten how to be scared! And the monster knows it, and it is actually scared itself, of those who are not scared of it.

The voices of the voiceless are now resonating louder and louder – we make sure that they are!

Except in the countries where the intellectuals and ‘elites’ have totally sold out, like in Indonesia or Malaysia, the horrendous deeds of the colonialism and neo-colonialism of Europe and North America, are finally being discussed, analyzed, and understood.

And the monster, the Empire, knows that it is the beginning of the end.

It cannot live as an equal. Therefore, it will fight its final battle. It will try to win. Or, it will try to destroy the world. Because life is not worth living for it, if it is not in full control; if its God is not in control, if it is not perceived as the enforcer of the divine manifesto.

***

When I visit a barbershop in Beirut or Amman, and am asked ‘where are you from?’ (It used to be a painfully confusing and complex question to answer, just a few years ago), I now simply reply: “Russia,” and people come and hug me and say, “Thank you.”

It is not because Russia is perfect. It is not perfect – as no country on Earth could or should be. But it is because it is standing once more against the Empire, and the Empire has brought so many horrors, so much humiliation, to so many people; to billions of people around the world… and to them, to so many of them, anyone who is standing against the Empire, is a hero. This I heard recently, first hand, from people in Eritrea, China, Russia, Palestine, Ecuador, Cuba, Venezuela, and South Africa, to name just a few places.

And that is why the Empire is now ‘in such a hurry’, unwilling to wait any longer, trying to provoke Russia, to bring it, metaphorically speaking, into yet another open epic battle, like the one that was fought in ancient times, on the thick ice, by Alexander Nevski.

The Empire is in too much of a rush, it is too scared to think, to understand, to remember, what every invader had to learned the hard way: Russia can be attacked and Russian people can be murdered by millions. There can be devastation and fire; there can be ruins, tears and graves, graves, graves… Mothers burying their sons, and sons returning back home, to only encounter ashes. But Russia cannot be defeated. When the survival of the world is at stake, Russia stands up, enormous, powerful and frightening. And it fights as no other nation can; it fights for humanity, not only for itself. And it wins.

When such a moment comes, there is only one possible way how to defeat Russia: it is to destroy the entire world.

Are you ready for that, Mr. Obama? Are you ready for it, corporate America and Europe? Are you ready for it, Pentecostal Christians, Televangelists and other morally defunct beings?

Final half of article HERE.
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2014, 10:58:33 pm »
Second half of:  2015 Will See Decisive Battles
 The Empire is Crumbling, That is Why it Needs War
By Andre Vltchek


Think twice. One more step, and you will find yourself facing two enormous nations, and dozens of smaller ones, ready to fight for the survival of a mankind.

Your only strength is in your weapons of mass destruction, and therefore in spreading fear. And most of your arguments have no foundations in truth, only in deception and lies.

This year, I witnessed your deeds in Iraq, in Eritrea, China, Ukraine, all over Africa and the Middle East.

This year, somehow, it appears that you went too far, that the proverbial drop has had fallen on Earth.

Stop! And stop torturing this Earth. Do not provoke, do not trigger yet another world war!

Stop, or there will be a fight. And you will lose, or we will all lose, but you will lose no matter what, because this time, Russia and China, Venezuela and Cuba, and others and many others, will not back down, anymore, while others will join.

***

Despite all of its terror, propaganda and brainwashing called ‘education’, the Empire is well aware that it is losing its grip on global power. And it is horrified, because it does not know how else to live, except with a whip in its hand. Planet Earth realizes that the ruler is sinister, ruthless and degenerate – some people realize it clearly using logic, others just sense it, intuitively. If there was really a global democracy, the people of our planet would throw the existing power structure straight to the dogs. But there isn’t, there still isn’t! Just look at the toothless, constantly humiliated United Nations. Almost everywhere, voting has become nothing more than an act of sticking a piece of paper into a box, and not much more.

***

The year 2015 is approaching. During that year, it will become clear who is fighting for the survival of our human race, and who is on the side of oppression, of imperialism, and of the Empire.

Next year, more and more countries will get destabilized or attacked. Perhaps millions of people will get killed, as they get killed every year, but most likely, this time, many more will. The ‘opposition movements’ manufactured by the West, as well as various Christian groups and other right-wing religious factions, will continue standing firmly on the side of imperialist oppression and market fundamentalism. Conservative petite bourgeoisie in the West and in almost all ‘client states’ will be battling to uphold their privileges. Fascist family structures will continue intimidating children and young people, preventing them from thinking, from rebelling and from living.

The Empire has many allies, all over the world, but most of them are of an extremely sinister nature. But their closest allies are always ignorance, servility and fear.

While our revolutions, the true ones, as well as the resistance and battles for a better world, are always based on knowledge, and in summary are nothing else other than an act of love.

***

The fight ahead of us will be extremely tough; it will be an epic struggle, involving great nation states, as well as groups and movements.

As the grungy Russian bear is being battered and provoked into a military conflict, great Chinese dragons are determined to form a protective circle, and this time, are declaring indirectly but clearly that they will come to the rescue of weaker nations attacked by the West. As even The New York Times reported:

“Mr. Xi did not mention the United States by name but took an unmistakable jab at Washington, saying, ‘The growing trend toward a multi-polar world will not change’, a reference to the Chinese view that America’s post-Cold War role as the sole superpower is drawing to a close.”

The goal is to never allow Western imperialism and colonialism to take control over the planet again, as it mercilessly did at the end of the 19th century and at the beginning of the 20th, at the cost of tens of millions of human lives.

After the centuries of plunder, **** and occupations, the West has no mandate to govern the world.

After constantly justifying and glorifying its terrible deeds, brainwashing our planet into believing that it actually brings progress and rationality to the savages (the rest of the planet), it cannot be trusted with ‘informing’ and ‘educating’ the people.

That is why we now have independent media, as well as powerful state-controlled media outlets based in the countries that are not willing to succumb to European and North American propaganda and indoctrination.

This media and education institutions should and will redraw the entire historical and contemporary narrative.

Some examples?

Instead of glorifying the wisdom of Founding Fathers of the United States, we should recall that North America was created on the unimaginable suffering of the indigenous people, on Christian bigotry and forced conversions, on genocide, and on theft of the land. And that it was not done by some new and extraterrestrial breed or race called ‘Americans’, but by the same European puritans and religious hordes that had already murdered for centuries, all over Asia, Africa and the Middle East.

‘New America’, both North and South, was predictably created on fear, violence and on theft.

We should recall the slaves who were brought in shackles from Africa. Most of them died when traversing the Ocean, women raped and humiliated, children raped and marked forever, men with their dignity taken away from them.

Women and young girls were then chained in the fields, becoming sexual toys for those ‘puritan’ white farmers. Men and children, at least those who survived, were made to work days and nights, until falling dead from exhaustion.

All this done under the shadow of the cross, progress, and ‘democracy’!

This is how America was built. This is the true story, the true narrative, of those ‘great beginnings of the land of free’!

And those theatres of Europe, cathedrals and churches, palaces and parks – all created from loot and genocides, colonialism and the Crusades, ‘military adventures’.

This is how the regime, how the Western establishment always functioned. **** is love. Indoctrination is education and information. Fear is belief. Slavery is freedom!

Do we want this kind of world for several more decades, even centuries?

I am not asking Parisians, Londoners or New Yorkers. I am not asking corrupt businessmen in Jakarta or deranged preachers in Kinshasa, top military brass in Kigali or the murderous feudal lords in Guatemala.

No humanist, no compassionate human being wants this sort of ****!

And for the first time, people are not afraid to say it, or at least to hear it, or read it!

I am not afraid to write this. Are you scared to read it? I don’t think so.

***

The ‘peace’, we were told about again and again, is something that has to be achieved and upheld by all means.

But what kind of peace are we aiming at, and peace for whom?

The Empire want a ‘peace’ arrangement, in which countries like Cuba and Russia, Venezuela and China, just back down, give up, and surrender. That is not peace!

We are asked, ordered, to live peacefully in a world ruled by European and North American masters, as some slaves crawling in filth.

Are we expected to succumb to the one and only religious dogma on which this entire racist, imperialist and capitalist system is built?

What a prospect, what a peace!

To them, to the imperialist West, peace means only one thing: unopposed rule over the planet.

If one fights for his people, he is a terrorist, a bandit. Then, it is a war!

The Nazis called resistance fighters in Ukraine or France, ‘terrorists’.

The Israeli military calls Palestinian resistance by the same name.

The West calls any legitimate rebellion, ‘terrorist’. Even MRTA in Peru was a ‘terrorist group’; MIR resistance against Pinochet was ‘terrorist’. The mainly social movement in Lebanon – Hezbollah – is defined as ‘terrorist’, and so is the entire proud Eritrean state.

Shia Muslims are ‘terrorists’, because the West is supporting Sunni monsters in the Gulf.

Che Guevara was a terrorist, and so were Fidel and sub-commandant Marcos. So was Lumumba.

To the West, to its lackey regimes and NGO’s, true peace will come only if all natural resources were offered to the multi-national companies. All left-wing, Communist and socialist movements would be butchered, if Russia were to return to that humiliated and shapeless **** it was converted into, for a short time, under the sneaky and brutal alcoholic Boris Yeltsin, if China turned back to the Deng Xiaoping days of only providing cheap products, labor and almost no global fight against imperialism! If Venezuela was to supply crude and **** its own people, as it used to, before the heroic revolution of Hugo Chavez, if Cuba sold its women and booze and cigars for a pittance, before its most dignified revolution took place!

‘Peace’ would be, if billions of miserably poor people were quietly and un-confrontationally dying in their slums, while the capitalists, preachers and landowners several neighborhoods further were enjoying their private clinics and private schools!

But such peace will never again be accepted!

To fight for a better world, and for the oppressed, is like writing a poem.

War is when you plunder and ****, when you murder in order to oppress, and to control others!

Peace can only be based on justice, on social justice especially; otherwise it is not peace.

***

Russia and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics fought for its survival on many occasions. Germans attacked it, then after the Revolution in 1917, the West Europeans and North Americans attacked, and then the Germans again. Tens of millions vanished defending the Motherland. Not one apology ever came from Washington or London!

China was forced open, humiliated, ransacked, including its capital city Beijing. Those who did it, the Brits and French, are now lecturing China about ‘human rights’ and ‘freedom’. It is truly grotesque!

Look at the other nations that are now standing up against Western imperialism!

Iran, colonized, destroyed when it took a socialist path, and then infected by a Suharto-style maniac, the Shah, later attacked by Iraq, after the West had armed Baghdad.

Latin America – was ruined by colonial and neo-colonial expeditions, for centuries, reduced to nothing by the ‘Monroe Doctrine’, with death squads trained in the US; trained how to kidnap and torture, and how to **** children in front of their parents.

Should we go on? Korea: tens of thousands of civilians were burned alive by US troops in tunnels. It was one of the most brutal wars in the history of mankind, aptly described by the most brilliant investigative journalist of the 20th century – Wilfred Burchett.

Indochina – 7 million were killed, bombed to death, or burned alive. Will we ever know how many? Vietnam is now an ally!

South Africa, Zimbabwe, Eritrea…

Yes, this is our alliance. Some 2 billion people who are living in the countries that were terrorized, brutalized, reduced to ashes, but that stood again and decided to fight, rather to live like slaves.

These are all imperfect countries, but countries peaceful to the core, countries that exist mainly in order to improve the lives of their men, women and children… and those all over the world.

And look at the other nations that are resisting Western attacks – Cuba, North Korea, Eritrea – ostracized, surviving countless terrorist attacks, subversions, propaganda, and destabilizing campaigns. And then, when they mobilize, ready to protect themselves, they are designated, and defined as ‘hermit states’ or ‘beastly dictatorships’!

Who forced them into a corner?

It is all twisted. Never again! Enough!

***

Do you hear that silence, after the US decided to ‘normalize’ its relationship with Cuba? We all know why there is such a terrible silence, don’t we? Because we realize that, based on the centuries of US involvement in Latin America, this will be part of a new destructive tactic, a new attack: that Cuba may now actually be facing the greatest danger in decades! We don’t know exactly what will happen, but we are somehow certain, that something very terrible will.

Is the West going to manufacture a ‘Cigar Opposition Movement’ in Cuba? Or is it going to be yet another color?

2015 will see many battles.

But the most important first step has just been made.

China made a great symbolic gesture: calmly, respectfully, but decisively. The message is clear: “You shall not be allowed to destroy others!” Not anymore.

The Empire is decomposing; it is sick, unsustainable.

But it is also toxic, and its illness is contagious. Its propaganda is mighty and its dogmas are violent.

Let us make sure that it goes away, crumbles, step by step, without destroying the world, without dragging it into WWIII.

Let us unite, individuals and nations, movements and parties. At least until the most dangerous period passes.

Andre Vltchek is a novelist, filmmaker and investigative journalist. He covered wars and conflicts in dozens of countries. The result is his latest book: “Fighting Against Western Imperialism. ‘Pluto’ published his discussion with Noam Chomsky: On Western Terrorism. His critically acclaimed political novel Point of No Return is re-edited and available. Oceania is his book on Western imperialism in the South Pacific. His provocative book about post-Suharto Indonesia and the market-fundamentalist model is called “Indonesia – The Archipelago of Fear”. His feature documentary, “Rwanda Gambit” is about Rwandan history and the plunder of DR Congo. After living for many years in Latin America and Oceania, Vltchek presently resides and works in East Asia and Africa. He can be reached through his website or his Twitter.
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First half of article HERE
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2014, 09:09:34 pm »
THE STORY OF THE YEAR 2014

The failure of the NEOCONs to get WWIII started through the fun and mayhem in Syria, the Ukraine (MH17) and the recent cromnibus "appropriations" to BUY oil and gas infrastructure in the Ukraine and FUND propaganda against the Russians there too is THE story of the YEAR because it ties all the loose and rather desperate "ends" the fascists are up to in their Machiavellian zeal to justify WHATEVER to finish the job of obtaining the Apex Predator "brave new"ONE world gooberment of fossil fuel fascism.

The fact that this blatant and barbaric bullshit has been so brazen has actually united the BRICS in a currency battle against the dollar.

That is another blow to the NEO-Liberal EVOLUTIONARY DEAD END Predators 'R' US. We should have been in full blown war hysteria right now. If THAT had happened, the price of oil WOULD NOT have tanked. The WAR was part of saving fossil fueldom's bottom line! There are several historical examples of a "war" showing up RIGHT WHEN fossil fueldom NEEDED ONE.

Also, the HUGE effects of climate disruption making the Renewable Energy transition more imperative in the public's eyes would have been swept under the SUICIDAL Main Stream Media rug.

Our ASS is hanging by a thread but DOOM has been postponed BECAUSE the WAR these bastards wanted DID NOT HAPPEN.

Of course, they will keep trying   :P >:(. But it gets more expensive for them EVERY DAY.   ;D

People are absolutely DISGUSTED with our government. And I DON'T mean just people like us.

Just check out the comments on a Ralph Nader Article at Counterpunch. See the HUGE number of up votes for conservatives, no less, that say we have a fascist government and have lost our freedom!  :o

Sure, they think that we can "go back" to when we had freedom. LOL! But the point is people REALLY are pissed. This is a huge obstacle for the Bernays style government Modus Operandi for obtaining a Causus Belli scam. GOOD!    ;D


The top guy on their hit list is a tough cookie. They had better bring a sandwich if they are going to take him on.


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Russia's leader pets a Leopard. The cameraman got a good scare!  :o  ;D

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AND NOW FOR A GREAT CAT FIGHT!   :D :

CNN Edits Out RT Host’s Nasty (Agelbert note: but truthful!) On-Air Dispute with Christiane Amanpour      



by Andrew Kirell | 3:23 pm, November 24th, 2014

Russia’s state-funded cable news channel is taking aim at CNN for inviting an RT host to discuss Kremlin politics but editing out her fierce criticisms of the American cable outlet.

In the Know host Anissa Naouai appeared last week on Christiane Amanpour‘s CNN International nightly talk show to defend her network against accusations that it is part of Russian President Vladimir Putin‘s “propaganda war.” The conversation apparently took a drastic turn for the worse when the guest went after the host’s personal connections to the U.S. Department of State.

Ultimately, Amanpour told Naouai, the most contentious bits were unworthy of airtime and would certainly be edited out. In response to the edits, RT posted video of its half of Naouai’s satellite feed, showing her answers that were omitted from the final product. CNN posted the full transcript to its website in the interest of transparency; RT did the same.

To be clear: News outlets routinely edit pre-taped interviews — normally for timing purposes, but also to cut down on redundancies or rambling questions/answers — and so this is not at all an ethical scandal. As a pre-taped show, Amanpour makes its guests aware that they will be edited down for time. This particular interview, as you’ll see in a moment, happened to go very long.

But considering edits are a common practice in the news business, this story provides a fascinating glimpse into how and why words get left on the cutting room floor.

And when you compare the unedited clips to what actually aired on CNN, you’ll notice RT is correct about one thing: Most of Naouai’s direct criticism of the American network and its host were edited out for broadcast. At one point in the unedited transcript, Amanpour herself makes clear to Naouai that the personal attacks render some of the footage unusable for TV.

The first tense moment removed entirely from broadcast occurred when Amanpour suggested to the other guest, anti-Putin politician Mikhail Kasyanov, that Naouai admitted RT perhaps exaggerates the threat of neo-Nazism in Ukraine:


AMANPOUR: Is it more than exaggeration? And as such, is it a fair interpretation of what’s going on and what are the consequences?

KASYANOV: That’s not –

NAOUAI: I didn’t admit that it was an exaggeration. I said who are we to say that it’s an exaggeration as non-Russians. 30 millions of them were killed in World War II. I said, “Who are we to say it’s an exaggeration?” That’s what I said exactly.

AMANPOUR: No, you didn’t say that. You said they may – that might be an exaggeration, but then who are we to say that fears are exaggerated? I’ve got that on record. So don’t worry about it. That’s going to be played.

NAOUAI: Yes, I didn’t admit that it was an exaggeration.

AMANPOUR: All right. But you actually did and I’ll play it and you can dispute it afterwards if you like. But I will play it and it’s not a problem. It’s what you said.

Later in the interview, Amanpour asked Nauouai about another Russian channel’s error in covering the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 tragedy. The entire passage was edited out, but you can sense the conversation getting more strained as the RT host began to rattle off examples of CNN’s own errors:


NAOUAI: I have to point out that I don’t represent the Russian media, but RT. I know the image you’re talking about, of course. It should be pointed out also that that image was on the Internet for quite a couple of months – unfortunately this channel took the bait. They didn’t verify it. We did, of course. That’s why we didn’t show it. But to sort of condemn the First Channel for mistakes that we’ve all make –- and I remember very well Jim Clancy of CNN showing a video in Donetsk in May of this year of a supposed helicopter being downed by these anti-Kiev fighters. We went online; we checked the video. The video was from Syria. We never even saw a retraction from CNN. So it’s a little difficult to judge…

And the discussion truly went off the rails when Naouai brazenly accused Amanpour of being a state propagandist herself. Check out this bitingly personal exchange below, from right after the host asked Naouai if it’s “healthy” for Russian audiences to get only one view from RT. It gets ugly:


NAOUAI: t’s an absurd question coming from someone that’s propagated the line of the State Department for over 15 years. I mean, it’s absolutely absurd. 

AMANPOUR: Well, are you talking to me?

NAOUAI: Yes. Absolutely I’m talking to you. Who else would I be talking to?

AMANPOUR: Are you talking to me?

NAOUAI: Absolutely.

AMANPOUR: You’ve got to be kidding me.

NAOUAI: You’ve propagated the line of the State Department for over 15 years, starting with Yugoslavia and all the way into Syria. And now you’re doing it for Ukraine, essentially. Absolutely, I’m talking to you.

AMANPOUR: Oh, my goodness.  Have you seen any of my reports about Syria? Have you seen any of my reports about Syria?

NAOUAI: I’ve seen lots of your reports and in not one report where you find you questioning the United States government and their policy. And we, with our Russian propaganda, question those arms to the FSA, question those arms to al-Nusra and other leagues. And now today we have ISIS.

Again, this was all removed from broadcast. According to transcripts, Amanpour began scolding her guest for not having an “adult discussion,” but Naouai simply responded that she’d like for CNN’s audience to be made aware of their host’s background. And that’s when the RT host invoked Amanpour’s husband, former State Department official James Rubin:


AMANPOUR: They are aware of [my past work], which is why they’ve been watching me for a long time. But listen to me, I would like you seriously…

NAOUAI: I’m glad they do, and I’m sure they know who James Rubin is, I’m sure they watch your work in Yugoslavia.

AMANPOUR: …as an act of research and as an act of education, go back and find all my work on Yugoslavia and all my work on Syria and match that with the policy of the United States government and furthermore, go back and watch what launched me and that was a to-and-fro with President Clinton challenging his policy on Bosnia and Yugoslavia. So Anissa, listen, I have respected you but I really don’t think that you should be doing this to me, of all people, on this – on this broadcast and on this satellite link. And you’re wrong. And I challenge you to go back…

NAOUAI: Yes, how dare someone tell CNN to check who their sponsors are, what governments they are working with!

AMANPOUR: No! No!

NAOUAI: How dare someone come on CNN and say that!  ;D

AMANPOUR: No! Hey, excuse me, no, no, no, you just said whatever you wanted to say. When you become ad hominem to me, that’s a problem, because you’re not doing it from a basis of knowledge.

NAOUAI: Well, let your viewers decide, Christiane. I think that’s the fairest way out of this debate.   

Amanpour insisted that Naouai watch her antagonistic 1994 interview with then-President Clinton before making such assertions, and informed her guest: “You can be sure I’m not putting this on the air, Anissa. It’s a personal attack.”

Naouai said she is familiar with the interview and accused Amanpour of agitating for war in Kosovo. 
The CNN host finally ended it on this note, including an acknowledgement of the fact that she’ll have to provide a polite goodbye for the edited version of the interview:

AMANPOUR: Anissa, come on; you’ve lost me, babe. Thank you very much. Thank you very much indeed. I really appreciate it. I’m sorry; I thought we could have an adult  ::) discussion. And we can’t. Thank you so much. Alright. Now I have to pretend to thank you.

Watch the edited interview as it aired on CNN below (at link).
THEN watch the truth filled  UNEDITED  portion RT aired (at link):

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-edits-out-rt-hosts-nasty-on-air-dispute-with-christiane-amanpour/



Agelbert NOTE: CNN is part of the USA fascist propaganda machinery. Russia is no saint be they are spot on here.   


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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2014, 04:44:21 pm »

IF we STOPPED supporting the system of consumerism, materialism, and hedonism, the system would DIE. They could print all the money in the world and if we (or about 40% - that's all we would need to bring the bastards to their knees) REFUSED to eat ANYTHING but what we absolutely HAD to have to get by (and less if they jacked up the price!) and REFUSED to use energy for ANYTHING except the bare necessities and ALL lived the MINIMALIST life style REFUSING to have cable, REFUSING to change our clothes more than once a month (so we wouldn't use as much energy washing and soap to wash with), REFUSING to travel except to get food and go to work (and then WALKING or riding a bike as often as possible) and REFUSING to work ANYWHERE that contributes to FEED TPTB, they would be FORCED to stop their **** wars,  24/7 dehumanizing of everything good about human empathy, celebration of brutality and ruthlessness as a "Virtue" of the "Apex Predator" or go to prison.

Unfortunately, the likelihood of everyone simultaneously taking a vow of poverty voluntarily is statistically close to ZERO.

However, there are fundamental thermodynamic reasons why money will stop functioning as we move along here, so the poverty will come to all including the Masters of the Universe.

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The possibility of the near term extinction of Homo SAP is closer to 100% without 40% of us adopting a (somewhat less severe than a vow of poverty) Frugality is Freedom Minimalist Mindset that WILL get Da "job" done.

I think the low probability of 40% getting with the Minimalist program is, as low as it is, the only plan that has a ANY chance of avoiding extinction. It's a Sophie's choice type thing but the CFS math favors the MINIMALIST pain for the perpetuation of the species gain.

It's harder for people like you with big bucks to see that because, if you adopted a Minimalist Mindset, you would feel deprived and less special in world that has taught you that money, is not just the mark of success, it's USE in the SYSTEM is the mark of intelligence. That is Wall Street brainwashing baloney. But comfort is quite seductive, is it not? Are those seduced by this "money must be put to work to make more money" mindset not busy rationalizing away how they are supporting fascism and pollution with their life style? That River in Egypt is the Wall Street Bernays special that works a LOT BETTER to ensure our comfortable suicide than the whip.

But I hear ya, good sir. You are a fairly astute student of human nature. I have had numerous, but gentlemanly, discussions with you about DAT. I have noted that you have a tendency to view the baser condition reflex pattern (see yeast, bacteria, ring circles and so on) as far more predictive of Dunbar number PLUS any number above DAT Homo SAP behavior than cooperation, empathy, caring (and so on, in a rather long, but usually ignored by the Darwinists, list of sappy human traits that Darwin himself claimed were ESSENTIAL to our survival as species).

It is an established historical fact that most humans are more altruistic than they are greedy. To judge the entire species by the evolutionary dead end traits of the most vicious, arrogant, mendacious, acquisitive and ambitious members that become leaders is statistically INACCURATE. They ARE the NUMERICAL minority.

You are adopting the Wall Street attitude of "leverage".    You are saying these LEADERS will drive the sheep off the extinction cliff because the sheep are JUST LIKE THE LEADERS and are dominated (in numbers above the Dunbar number) by the same baser emotions and condition reflex pattern of conscience free predation as the leaders. That is just not so, RE.

But I admit I may be wrong and you may be right. But I will NOT let you dance around the CERTAIN conclusion you MUST draw from your analysis, study and conclusions about human behavior.

If you are right :(, then we are TOAST. There is NO HOPE WHATSOEVER. We will go extinct. All your erudition and all your intelligence and all you grasp of world economics along with Steve from Virginia's plethora of graphs about this, that and the other will do nothing to change this sad trajectory. You would better serve Homo SAPdom, with our alleged terminal case of the Dunbar limit dumbass, by writing about unicorns and strawberry fields forever because that, at least, can make you feel good while you wait for your ass to be grass.
 
All the horseshit from the "genius" at TBP (Quinn?) is just so much methane. All the stats by the money minded monkey bean counters who's graphs and self important screeds (that at least 98% of human beings don't read) won't meant ****.

There is NOWHERE TO RUN TO if when the biosphere stops supporting human life. The biosphere RUNS, not on tooth and claw (that's a TINY subset of it!) but on trophic levels that EAT, directly or indirectly, SUNLIGHT. The overwhelming biomass is autotrophic (phototrophic). ALL the trophic levels above them are TOAST if the autotrophs buy the farm. THAT is the STATISTICAL REALITY of life on this planet.

Your proposal of a breakaway civilization of highly intelligent, caring, cooperative and CFS Dunbar groups is a nice thought that lacks the corner stone of a viable biosphere. No Viable Biosphere = no brave new Dunbar group. That is the only math that really matters. And that math takes all that talk about the evolutionary "advantages" of the "apex predator" and makes it look like the anthropocentric Wall Street wishful thinking that it is. It's a fairy tale!

IT DON'T WORK DAT WAY! It NEVER has! Spencer made it up out of whole, unscientific  "cloth" (Herbert Spencer's new phrase "survival of the fittest" alongside "natural selection" was first published in the fifth edition of On the Origin of Species, published in 1869.). You have bought that dog eat dog fascist fairy tale HOOK, LINE and SINKER. You have extrapolated that Wall Street world view to all of human history, past and future, as the prevailing human condition. 

If Homo SAP is the "CEO" (i.e. the planetary biosphere's executive) because we are the only self aware tool maker here, the biosphere has a mental disease.

BUT, if the ones with mental disease are the pack of arrogant greedball crazies that temporarily steered humanity into suicidal behavior because MOST of humanity TRUSTED those lying sacks of evolutionary dead end "apex predator" **** FOR BRAINS, then the REAL evolutionary advantages of Homo SAP that include caring over conquest, empathy, altruism and so on, will, through peer pressure, not explosive violence, cure the Homo SAP disease and put us back on the path of HARMONY with the other life forms here.

Homo sapiens is a DERIVATIVE of autotrophic/phototrophic life biomass, NOT the Lord of the MANOR!

In Closing, enjoy this fellow Doomer that, like you and I, shares a realization that we are on the SURE path of Extinction if we do not change our civilizational trajectory. ENJOY!     
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I call myself S. cerevisiae because I enjoy good beer and because the more I observe the depletion of planetary resources by humans I tend to agree that as a species we are not proving to be smarter than yeast. This is my little corner of the blogosphere where I will rant about whatever I need to vent about, from the sorry-assed Minnesota Vikings to the even sorrier-assed (is that a word?-who cares) politicians who fiddle as the planet burns.


Hello NSA!

Greetings to my readers at the NSA! I've always assumed you were reading all this stuff anyway so this weeks news is no surprise to me. I remember being called an anti-American dirty hippie for speaking out against the so-called Patriot Act a decade ago, now the same ones who passed it are crying foul? The fourth amendment has been gutted over the last thirty years, mostly because of the war on (some) drugs, I don't remember a huge right-wing outcry over that.

 Privacy is so twentieth century.

But the collapse will render it all moot.


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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2014, 05:07:35 pm »
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So am I, even if you can't see it. But thank you anyway. This is all true AG and the Perps need to be stopped and taken out. How do YOU propose it should and could be done. And please spare us FAKE DEMOCRACY and "WORKING WITHIN  THE SYSTEM" The system is dead and the JUNTA and CABAL operate for SATAN and the DEMIURGE OF DEATH. In such a demolished and dumbed down apathetic society, what can be the WAY?  PLEASE!                                Karpatok

These people are the problem:


The solution IS NOT this: 
Although I admit it has a certain appeal.  ;D But as a student of history, you surely know that it just passes the buck to another clever "king (or queen) of the hill" that then proceeds to grow the tyranny cancer from the democratic beginnings. See Yogi Berra and Deja vu all over again. 

The hippies had it right in the 1960's. It was a workable, viable plan. That is why our gooberment stepped in and drugged them left and right to give them a bad rep with "respectable" people. The hippies were a HUGE threat to the MIC!

IF we STOPPED supporting the system of consumerism, materialism, and hedonism, the system would DIE. They could print all the money in the world and if we (or about 40% - that's all we would need to bring the bastards to their knees) REFUSED to eat ANYTHING but what we absolutely HAD to have to get by (and less if they jacked up the price!) and REFUSED to use energy for ANYTHING except the bare necessities and ALL lived the MINIMALIST life style REFUSING to have cable, REFUSING to change our clothes more than once a month (so we wouldn't use as much energy washing and soap to wash with), REFUSING to travel except to get food and go to work (and then WALKING or riding a bike as often as possible) and REFUSING to work ANYWHERE that contributes to FEED TPTB, they would be FORCED to stop their ****ing wars,  24/7 dehumanizing of everything good about human empathy and celebration of brutality and ruthlessness as a "Virtue" of the "Apex Predator" or go to prison.

If everybody VOLUNTARILY decides to be SUPER FRUGAL and live DIRT POOR even if they have the money or the gold or whatever to consume, then MONEY LOSES ITS POWER to undermine ethical behavior and morality in this country.

Yep. That is one tall order. But at the end of the day, TPTB are supported, as MKing correctly says, by every kilowatt hour we consume, every house we buy, every car we run and so on. Every gadget, every cell phone, every CD, every sound system, every cable subscription and even every internet subscription is a compromise that HELPS the CORRUPT status quo.

Well then, how come I'm not living in a panther cave?
Because I'm NOT a purist! I don't have the intestinal fortitude to take a vow of poverty like Knarf. Mea Culpa.

HOWEVER, if 40% of the American public had exactly the same "consumer" (see Orwell    ) profile that I do, The stock market would have collapsed, the real estate market would have collapsed, the town budgets would have shrunk from low real estate taxes from people living in 980 sq. ft.  houses or smaller and there would be no mortgage industry to speak of because everybody's house would be paid for.

The derivatives, tranches, scams and so on in mortgages would never have EXISTED. The price of oil would have crashed in 2003 from lack of demand. The Fossil Fuel profits would NOT have been able to buy the politicians they bought to get the wars going and the oil price climbing and torture escalating AND SO ON.

The entertainment industry would be bankrupt. The hotel, travel and tourism industries would be bankrupt. Most automobile manufacturers would have had to shut down. Most mall and stores would have closed, including Walmart! The PC gaming industry would have never taken off. Less than 10% of the electorate would vote! The main stream media would be a JOKE to Americans in any and all surveys put out by TPTB (their advertising revenue would TANK). No printed newspapers would be in business for at least ten years now..

But the internet would still be there.  :-[

In the above Agelbert Frugality is Freedom Scenario, TPTB would fight back JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE HIPPIES in the 1960's. IN fact, they ARE fighting back by using every trick in the book to make us believe we MUST support the system (and the saintly, holy- and so on- TROOPS) that BRINGS us all these GOODIES.

What will they do if we all say they AREN'T "GOODIES"?  What will they do if they see us making the CONNECTION between consumerism here and destroying a family or a piece of planet there?

They will try to RIDICULE, DEFAME, DEMONIZE and, if that don't woik, IMPRISON the leaders (in that order. It's cheaper and more efficient that way, ya know.  ). And a few examples of killing the people making too much sense are in order to keep the rest of the sheeple in line, of course.   

My response is, SO WHAT? What have YOU GOT that makes me feel good about the traitors running my country and the planet into the ****ing ground? You've got NOTHING! Take your cell phones and distractions and shove them up your descending colon! 

At which point TPTB do what they have always done when everything they try does not work. They go on a killing rampage with agent provocateurs starting it and the "new hippies" getting blamed. Works every time.  ;)   

But those of us left who know their tricks will continue to NOT work within the system. The financial elite pretend all this is a distraction because they own all the stocks anyway AND the government AND the Military AND the health care (and so on).

And we win. We win because TPTB NEED to make us work for peanuts so they can HAVE their piggery and Planetary Pillage. They are slaves themselves of gigantic consumerism and hedonistic world views so they just cannot get it through their heads that people would rather live in misery than support a suicidal world view.

What's different know from previous history is that people, in the past, resisted tyranny as a matter of justice, morality, and common sense. But what they were after was a reasonable level of HUMAN COMFORT AND PEACE.

There WAS a future. There WAS hope for a better world. There WAS more patience and willingness to give the new top dog the benefit of the doubt that he or she would not revert to the Lord of the Manor BULL****.


NOW, we KNOW that human comfort and peace is IMPOSSIBLE if TPTB continue their fascist business as usual. NOW we know we ALL ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE by supporting the corrupt system.

So we are given a choice to have some relative comfort while we commit suicide or undergo a lot of hard times and misery of dealing with a government that hates us because we won't consume enough to support the MIC fascism.

The CFS types will tell us that agelbert's attitude is suicidal along with being anarchic and stupid. I counter that, as compromised as I am because I don't live in a panther cave  ;D, I am waging a war for peace and justice with my level of frugality that nobody I know, except maybe Knarf, is willing to engage in to battle the CERTAIN suicidal world view of TPTB.

EVERYONE out there buying lots of STUFF is helping destroy our species. And FOR WHAT?

For COMFORT! You are BRAINWASHED! You have been told that comfort is GOOD! It's good If you aren't degrading the biosphere and democracy to get it! At that point you become a Quisling!

The MKings will tell you that if you consume ANYTHING AT ALL, you are as big a pig as they are and have no moral standing. That's false. WHY? Because TPTB operate MOSTLY on marginal profits. It's the old make a penny here and there and it adds up through volume sales. If the Frugality is Freedom Minimalist mindset is embraced by 40% or more of the populace, it's a death sentence for the MIC fascist status quo. Peer pressure will take care of the inertia of change.

People with a lick of sense CANNOT be bought for a COMFORTABLE SUICIDE. That is what most people are, in fact, accepting as what they GOTTA DO TO GET BY!

That's just plain STUPID, PITIFUL and, of course, aiding and abetting eventual HUMAN EXTINCTION. 

So yeah, Karpatok, we are between a  rock and a hard place. I recommend as extreme frugality as you can handle and the preaching of said lifestyle everywhere you can along with berating the materialistic DUMB ASSES shooting themselves (and the rest of us) in the foot FACE with their unethical  addiction to stuff.

THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE:

We must be willing to Starve to death, if need be, not for our principles or purity or purpose, but because TPTB are parasitic. Ticks cannot live without blood. They WILL NOT breed unless they have sufficient nutrition. WE-THE-PEOPLE are the host. Unlike the tick metaphor, WE are actually sticking a VOLUNTARY and UNNECESSARY IV in our blood veins and feeding TPTB. Pull that ****ing IV OUT of your arm!

IF 40% of us UNITE in a Frugality is Freedom Minimalist Mindset, most of us will not starve to death, ethical behavior will have a fighting chance of being what most of humanity embraces, our stupid view of the "economy" can be discarded along with the "might is right" insanity causing the pillaging of our planet and JUSTICE has a chance to exist among Homo SAPS.

In fact, it's our ONLY CHANCE to have a government based on CARING instead of CONQUEST, PERIOD.

Sure, a lot of people will die horrible deaths. The specter of dying of hunger or/and disease because you didn't work for the fascists or support their consumerist crap is terrible. :(

But the CURRENT PATH IS SURE to prevent the life of BILLIONS of humans in the future because there won't BE any humans in the future.

Violence is dumb, Karpatok. I possess the skills to do all kinds of horrendous things. If I wanted to, I could actually duplicate the grizzly scenario in one of those Tom Clancy books (without an A-bomb - I'm anti-nuke. LOL!). I know EXACTLY how to fly a huge airliner. I know EXACTLY how to fool ATC radar with certain transponder code settings that only someone who has programmed ATC computers AND been an air traffic controller will know about - And I would NEVER DO IT even if the devil himself, every fascist in the world and every corrupt and murdering MIC bastard were all gathered in a stadium for an easy hit BECAUSE they will be REPLACED the next day and they will MULTIPLY. Violence BREEDS VIOLENCE. I want LESS VIOLENCE. I want MORE LIFE, not more DEATH, COMPRENDE, AMIGA?

The fascists FEED on DEATH as well as our habits.

We must all make a choice. I have made mine. That is, to the best of my ability, to live the most frugal minimalist life possible to starve TPTB that feed on me. If I die in the process, I'll die knowing that, even though I might have lived longer if I had participated in a bit more fun in my dotage, had everyone emulated my lifestyle, humanity would not have gone extinct. As you see, I really am not misanthropic, even though that is the way a act sometimes.   

I repeat, I have made my choice.
I ENJOY the fact that I live small and spend little. I do not hunger for this, that or the other (except maybe Volt   ;D ). Yeah, I'm a Christian. And that has a LOT to do with my supreme disgust with materialism. But this is NOT about religion. I do not think God is going to do JACK SH IT to keep us from reaping what we have sown. We've got to figure this out or perish, period.

Anyone that follows the Frugality is Freedom Minimalist Mindset pattern should sell ALL their stock, move to the smallest place they can possibly live in (and so on as mentioned above). They must STOP participating in the world of money as much as possible by severely downsizing their expenses regardless of their buying power. Said person must disparage demonize, criticize, mock and take every opportunity to embarrass worshippers of pecuniary wealth with hard, direct and angry vitriol about the fact that these people are aiding and abetting civilizational suicide.

My choice is not popular. So if you take it, you will not be popular. But you will be doing the right thing.

Any other choice, from violence to clever prose about Maslow's hierarchy and whatever that leads to doing zip to actually change the suicidal trajectory we are on is wrong.

I urge you to make the right choice.

For anyone reading this that makes the wrong choice (comfortable suicide leading to eventual human extinction), I have a question for you:

Do you feel lucky?

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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2015, 01:32:50 am »
‘We Are Going to Destroy the Greek Oligarchy System’




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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2015, 02:59:55 am »
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“Syriza succeeded in selling an illusion that Greece can end the reforms and stop paying the debt, and still stay in the euro. This is impossible.   If they do that the European Central Bank cannot accept collateral guaranteed by the Greek government,” he said.


Oh yeah???  



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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2015, 07:33:12 pm »
GO said (about ISIS),
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See what I meant? Can you feel it yet? Sense how fast they are moving, consolidating their gains and striking with renewed strength and vigor?

The musical director for David, a fellow called Asaph, was 3000 years ahead of you.  8)

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He wrote more of the Bible than Peter, James, Jude, Jonah, Amos, Micah, Joel, Malachi, Zephaniah, Habakkuk, Nahum, Haggai, or Obadiah. Interestingly enough, if we take the time to dig it out, the Bible tells more about Asaph's life than it tells us about any other author of scripture except Moses, David, Samuel, and perhaps Isaiah, Hosea, and Jeremiah.  :o

We know the times Asaph lived in (circa 1020 - 920 BC), from David's reign, through Solomon's to Rehoboam's.
http://www.hfbcbiblestudy...t&do_pdf=1&id=482

Asaph was VERY angry and depressed about just about everything turning to EVIL in his lifetime. In Psalm 73 he complains bitterly about how the Godless rich, who think God does not see their evil works, continue to prosper while good people continue to get the shaft.

This is just part of the EVIL that he lived through:

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After Solomon's dedication of the Temple, Asaph saw Israel's "golden age" turn into something quite apart from what he expected. After a promising beginning, Solomon turned his back on God and pursued power, wealth, luxury, and human wisdom,[3] as well as worship of other gods.[4]

To finance these pursuits the people were oppressed with slavery [5] and taxes.[6] Asaph saw Solomon become a wicked man who entrusted the administration of his Kingdom to other wicked men.

There is good reason to believe (see Appendix 5) that during Solomon's reign, Asaph's brother Zechariah [7] was assassinated in the Temple by Solomon's agents. Neither Asaph nor Zechariah would keep silent about Solomon's wickedness. Zechariah paid the ultimate price.

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2015, 07:37:03 pm »
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Putin is going all over the world trying to make friends at a time when we are circling the world p issing people off.

Yep. Smart cookie. 

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2015, 05:09:45 pm »
Surly,
If we are going to define evil in terms of malice and aforethought (mens rea), our country is simply unmatched by any other in the history of the PLANET!

IF said mens rea does not count unless the crime of willful assault, torture, and death is perpetrated, the weight of the responsibility is on the party or parties committing most of the crimes, is it not?

What role does the MASSIVE FUNDING of these criminals by our mens rea fascists play in GO's evil rate increase calculus is a concern of mine. I think it plays too small a role. Hence my view that he lacks perspective. But there is more.

When this discussion devolved into counting dead bodies as the standard for evil behavior, it lost even more proper perspective.

UB and RE both state that , no ticket, no laundry, right? The "despicable pieces of shi t", as Ashvin correctly describes them, DO what they DO because they are FUNDED to do it. Of course they are evil. Of course they enjoy what they do. But they are FAR outnumbered by the barbaric pieces of shi t making up a certain percentage of OUR boots on the ground and OUR police officers in every large city and many middle sized ones in the USA!

And then there is the ACTUAL organized criminal element in this country. Ask your cop family about the kind of world class butchery that goes on in every American large city every day by these fucks. COUNT the bodies. SUM UP the tortured, raped and abused people of all ages from the aged to babies in all sorts of EVIL imaginative ways RIGHT HERE!

The fact that some of us, myself included, are highly uncomfortable with being in the crosshairs of a terrorist group that butchers Christians is not grounds for establishing that an evil presence is growing on the planet. Just because I am the target, it does NOT mean I am free to assume an increase in evil, does it?

Finally, just counting butchered bodies from accidents where allegedly NO EVIL agency was involved, FAR exceeds the pain of torture, decapitation, brutal dismembering, maiming and so on that the terrorists inflict. Just ask Our EMT Fox about the massive pain and agony accident vitims with crushed parts or dismemberment suffer from due to thousands and thousands and thousands of car crashes in this country every year. 

The entire discussion of ISIS, MISIS, WISIS or whatever name the papers come up with for dial a terrorist organization out there that we should shake in our boots about, what they do, and when they do it, is NOTHING compared to the number of deaths that occur in THIS country (one person is killed by a drunk driver every 53 minutes). Then there are the 125,000 average deaths per year by LEGAL prescription drugs.

I have my view of what proper perspective on the level of Homo SAP evil in this planet is as CAUSED by the planning, funding and execution of evil acts, as well as the planning for, and funding of, criminally negligent behavior by our government that results in thousands of needless deaths. I consider that evil too.

That is my perspective. I do not see it increasing.
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2015, 05:16:52 pm »
Thank you Surly and GO for responding in gentlemanly Diner mode.   

I try to be polite here but, beneath the surface, if I let loose, my tirades would leave Karpatok in the dust! Early on, she recognized me as a potential freedom fighter and used all her considerable rhetorical skills and vocabulary to try to shame me into going out there and kicking some empire ass. Don't believe for a second that I haven't considered it. But Christianity, the real kind, does not justify tit for tat, period. Raulito figured that out towards the end.

Here, From Chomsky, is another reason I have very little patience for claims of an evil encroaching presence in the world (NOBODY has one upped the USA YET, GO).

Chomsky on the REALLY evil empire.   


https://www.youtube.com/w...p;feature=player_embedded


My Cousin was a great actor. But he was every bit as angered by, and FAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE of, than most people in the USA in general, and the Doomstead Diner in particular, of the LEVEL of EVIL in this world and WHO is RESPONSIBLE for it.

THAT is what is just below the surface in Agelbert. Raulito reconverted back to Catholicism after doing the movie Romero. He went from Catholic as a child to Buddhist for most of his life and Catholic at the end. You can claim it was due to his method acting technique.   I suspect the IN YOUR FACE reality of massive evil in this world had something to do with it, PARTICULARY what PREDATORY CAPITALIST TERRORISM FUNDED BY OUR TAX DOLLARS visited on El Salvador. The Crusades, the Inquisition and ISIS butchery all amount to PEANUTS compared with the BUTCHERY in Latin America by OUR GOONS.

When you are a person that walks the talk, like Raulito, it gets REAL HARD to pretend there IS NO GOOD AND NO EVIL EITHER as the core beliefs of monism require.  He fought ALL HIS LIFE to live his principles through good deeds and millions of dollars in funding nutrition programs for the poor, not just to FEED the poor, but to get them a job and/or some land to FEED THEMSELVES, freedom movements for the politically oppressed and the defense of the environment in places like Brazil where Mking's pals KILL people for defending the rainforest,

Monism and Ethics

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In accounting for the origin of evil, a problem which, though it belongs to metaphysics, has important bearings on ethical questions, some philosophers have adopted a Dualistic doctrine and explained that good and evil originate from two distinct principles, the one supremely good, the other completely and absolutely evil.

This was the doctrine of the ancient Persians, from whom it was borrowed by Manes, the founder of the Manichean sect.

Opposed to this is the Monistic view, that God is indeed the cause of all that is good in the universe, and that evil is not to be assigned to any supreme cause distinct from God. Whatever explanation be given of the existence of evil in the world, it is maintained that a supreme principle of evil is utterly impossible and even inconceivable.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10483a.htm

Monism is magical thinking in a world where evil agency exists that is opposed to good, and MUST BE fought! Karpatok believes that spiritual warfare is magical thinking. I beg to differ. I engage in it RIGHT HERE (and other places  ;)). And I will die doing it because it is the most efficacious way to FIGHT EVIL, PERIOD.

GO, believe it or not, I have a LOT more common ground with you  than you are aware of. Thomas Jefferson said that if you have a government powerful enough to protect you from all enemies and provide for your every need, you also have a government powerful enough to TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE AWAY FROM YOU.

We are there. 

THAT, as you have said often, is EVIL. I agree.
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2015, 05:26:23 pm »
GO said,
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Of course Agelbert, We old time regulars know each other and our acts towell to get pissed at each other. Was just ribbing you.

They say familiarity breeds contempt, but it is my observation the other is true.

Still waiting for a dissertation on Global Warming, and it better be good, no BS or Charts. My ice blue testicles and over a grand in oil bills so far demand an explanation.  :icon_sunny: :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh:

GO,
The extreme cold (and by the way, it's a LOT WORSE where I am than where you are or where RE is as well!) is a DIRECT consequence of GLOBAL WARMING.

If you will recall, we went through this subject last year around this time when I said 2014 promised to be hotter than hell (never been there but ya get the idea  ;D). You scoffed. 2014 was the hottest year on record.

Based on my track record of accuracy and integrity (see the numerous times I took Snowleopard to task for pushing fossil fueler mendacity and propaganda - something that always seemed to upset you for some reason.     I am going to explain to you what our FOSSIL FUEL OWNED GOVERNMENT is DOING to further f uck things up with their desperate attempt to put a DR. Strangelove Geo-engineered "heat shield" on the planet.

This is a quote from a recent discussion with Eddie.

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February 16, 2015, 01:00:38 PM

 Eddie,
I believe geo engineering is quite advanced even though they (quote from our government "we will own the weather by 2025"     ) don't "own" the weather yet. The reflective aluminum particles being sprayed routinely for over a decade now to keep our climate from over heating (see stretching the profits of fossil fuel oligarchs that OWN our government) are having several unexpected results.

1) the temperature extreme ranges have increased in degree span and rapidity of switching from normal to extreme heat or extreme cold is killing wildlife.

2) Vitamin D deficiency is now common in the USA when it was RARE just two decades ago. As a medical professional, you know that Vitamin D deficiency can lead to a plethora of deleterious health issues, including giving you lots of dental problems, never mind the weaker bones in growing children, early osteoporosis in adults and less immune system defense of several types of cancers.

3) Allergic reactions to the new toxins in the air for thousands of different species, including Homo SAPs.


4) There is a lot more
but that has to do with government media and medical profession CORKING of the reporting of, medical recognition of and proper treatment of humans experiencing harmful side effects from this profit preserving scheme for fossil fuelers trying to prevent or/and delay global warming.

Anecdotally, I have something to report that has me absolutely raging mad. The temperature is way too low for normal in Vermont. It's been that way for a couple of weeks. That long of a period with temperatures hovering just above or below zero (even in daylight) is NOT Vermont weather and, except for the little ice age centuries ago, never has been.

Even when it gets real cold, the animals survive BECAUSE the longer sunlight period in late February and early March enables them to warm their nests in the day. But when you F UCK with the sunlight by putting reflective particles in the air, this VITAL buffer that enables animal life to make it to the spring is gone. This is a DEATH SENTENCE for much of Vermont wildlife that doesn't hibernate.

Today I found an uninjured adult squirrel frozen to death. It was laying on our driveway. It's just another debt the MKing's of this world do not own up to with their profit over planet murderous irresponsibility.
F UCKING BASTARDS!

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GO,
YOU and I are experiencing this SH IT because of people like YOU KNOW WHO. No Vermont town has EVER publicly broadcast over the TV and radio that people MUST leave their faucets RUNNING at pencil width of water. Winooski (just south of Colchester and slightly LESS Norh Pole F ucking Cold than Colchester) is telling Vermonters to do this in order to avoid huge expenses in road and frozen pipe repairs UNRELATED to the frozen pipes in homes. CLEAN water is being WASTED because of this COLD. People's water bills will not be raised but YOU KNOW we-the-people will end up paying for it somehow! They want us to leave the faucets running THROUGH March!!! Water pipes in homes are bursting from here all the way to ATLANTA, Georgia!

Do you think Mking and his pals are willing to foot the bill, or do you think, PERHAPS, that they will, ONCE AGAIN, disingenuously ask, "Uh, what happened to global Warming?".


"A buen entendedor pocas palabras bastan" = You, as a keen listener, do not need a lot of words to figure this out.  8)

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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2015, 10:38:29 pm »
Who Are the Good Guys  ???

There is an easy way to tell if somebody is really one of the good guys who got famous. A whole lot more good people, just as good (or better), never had a following so we do not hear about them. The elite only notice GOOD people if they finger ELITE CRIME. That is how we-the-people end up learning about them.

1) While they are alive, they are ridiculed, reviled, cursed and demonized for having spoken truth to power by pointing out elite crimes (defending the poor and downtrodden is NO PROBLEM as long as you don't finger the elites as the responsible party - there are a LOT of people who are NOT good guys that do just that as a front  :emthdown:) to the point of A) getting a following and B) being imprisoned and/or tortured.

2) When they are dead they are celebrated.



Martin Luther King Jr. was a good guy.
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We as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values… when machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”
-- Martin Luther King, Jr. April 4, 1967




Gandhi was a good guy.

Gandhi's Seven Sins:
1. Wealth without work
2. Pleasure without conscience
3. Knowledge without character
4. Commerce without morality
5. Science without humanity
6. Worship without sacrifice
7. Politics without principle



Confucious was a good guy.

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"Is not he a true philospher who, though he be unrecognized, cherishes no resentment?

What you do not wish done to yourself, do not do to others.

I will not grieve that others do not know me. I will grieve that I do not know others.

Do not wish for quick results, nor look for small advantages.

With coarse food to eat, water to drink, and my bended arm for a pillow, I still have joy in the midst of these things.

Riches and honor acquired by unrightiousness mean no more to me than the floating clouds."

Confucious (Kung Fu-tzu or Kung the Master) 551 B.C. - 479 B.C.
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2015, 03:10:25 pm »
Watching History As Desperate
 Neocon Empire America Dies

By Karl W. B. Schwarz  3-7-15

 
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The acts that have fueled the western media propaganda, such as the Maidan snipers, the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk secession votes, and MH 17 were Neocon Agenda 201 and all have backfired in the Neocon’s face. 

So in desperation they now try to change the subject and the focus to the murder of Russia opposition leader Boris Nemtsov. My grandfather had an interesting way to define the word ludicrous as being “an ant walking up a female elephant’s rear leg with **** on its mind”.

There are no suspects yet in the murder of Boris Nemtsov, yet the Western media is already painting the picture for their readers and viewers that Putin is entirely and unequivocally to blame, just like the Maidan snipers, Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk, Russian invasions that have yet to happen, and the shooting down of Malaysia Air MH 17. Now lunatic Senator John McCain has stated that whoever did it, Putin is totally to blame. As many Americans know that is not the first time McCain has run off his mouth or has been an embarrassment to America.

All evidence is to the contrary on what the Western media is publishing and providing as hype, conjecture, rhetoric and propaganda and when necessary, just bald faced lies like Victoria Nuland. 

The western media and DC have the ‘case solved’ from afar, with no more facts to support their rhetoric than other claims they have made towards Russia. They cannot put any evidence on the table for it does not exist; it is just TV media ‘vaporware’ created by the Neocons and affiliated spin doctors. 

Such rhetoric and lies from the US and the media are part of the Neocon agenda towards Russia and any other nation on this planet that gets in the way and refuses to bow down to DC and the Neocon’s doctrine. 

I for one would be elated if Americans ever connect those dots in their mental fabric to recognize that conjecture is not fact, and assumptions and political spin are not facts, and neither are propaganda and hollow agenda driven rhetoric. And better, premeditated lies are not the Truth.

When the Western media rushes to point a finger of blame in the complete absence of evidence (or is being covered up by governments as is the case on MH 17) it is almost always (+99% of the time) the media bullhorn to shout down any dissent
, any questioning of what the facts really are and what the truth really is. Just accept the lies as the truth and go shopping, America.

SNIPPET 2:


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The lust to control both the CIS Caspian Basin and Russian energy might is what Wolfowitz was talking about in 1992, and yes, Clinton as an unwilling Far Left Neocon played along to go after those assets so the USA would not have any rivals that have global power.

They missed their flight, because China and Russia got it done anyway in spite of the Neocon Doctrine. That is why you are seeing this idiotic stirring up of tensions with Russia and using Ukraine and the rest of the EU states bordering with Russia as cannon fodder. 

I guess many Americans do not realize that after Mikhail Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan defused the threat of nuclear war between USA and USSR, then came Boris Yeltsin as president and Vladimir Putin was at that time the Prime Minister of the new Russia Federation. 

Some readers may know or remember the name Boris Berezovsky (23 January 1946 ­ 23 March 2013). He was the front man in the Yeltsin regime for CIA, MI6 and US and UK elites that coveted the huge oil and natural gas reserves of the Caspian Basin region. That also relates to the Wolfowitz comment in Paul Craig Roberts article regarding “the former territory of the USSR”.

When Putin ascended to his first presidency, Berezovsky fled to the UK because Putin was bringing charges of treason and financial crimes against him for throwing the doors open and lining his own pockets to let the West elites into the CIS region for natural resource plundering. Yeltsin was allowing the same within what is now the Russia Federation and Putin slammed that door shut.


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If anyone wanted into the CIS region, Berezovsky was the ‘go to guy’ to get that done. 

Former CENTCOM commander General Tommy Franks almost let the cat out of the bag when he and Rumsfeld were before Congress in early 2001 after Bush was sworn in. Franks admitted that one of the primary missions of his command was ‘the Afghanistan pipeline and access to the natural resources of the CIS region’, which is ‘territory of the former USSR’ as Wolfowitz explained the Neocon Doctrine. Neocon Donald Rumsfeld had to hurriedly change the subject because that was about 8 months before September 11, 2001.


http://www.rense.com/general96/watchinghist.html

Agelbert NOTE:
Anyone who fingers Putin as the "bad guy" has  swallowed Neocon Agnotologist Propaganda hook, line and sinker.   

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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2015, 06:10:44 pm »
We will ALL regret a nuclear war with Russia.   :P

The neocons want a nice nuclear war with Russia because the neocon demon-osophy loves war, destruction and mayhem. I'm sure certain economists would claim that would boost our GDP! LOL!

But let us look on bright side.  Yep, there really is one! A nuclear winter will stop global warming and over population... And, of course, off grid "living" will become the norm! No more worries about big industries, fluoride in the water, geo-engineering pollution from aerosol sprays, consumerism, thimerosal containing vaccines causing autism in children, Wall Street bailouts or inflation.



Such fun times we live in.  :P

The neocons are HELL SPAWN.


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