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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2014, 05:43:51 pm »
Why Do Some Leading Atheists Abandon Reason and Get Bloodthirsty About Mideast Terrorism?                

The data shows it's just wrong to blame religion for the causes of terrorism.

http://www.alternet.org/c...slightest-whiff-terrorism

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2014, 07:16:55 pm »
Ashvin,
I disagree with your view that there is some equivalent immoral posture on the Palestinian side. There isn't. A son of an Israeli General explains why below. The point I am making to you, my friend, is to never relate Jewish Ashkenazi ethnicity with the religion of Torah Jews. Ashkenazis, including most of the ethnically Jewish neo-cons that run both the governments of the U.S. and Israel, are either atheists or Reform Jews. Reform Jews, as a childhood friend of mine explained, DO NOT have to believe in God. They ARE expected to go to their Synagogue and are STILL considered "Jewish". I went to their synagogue a couple of times. I even saw a wedding once with crushing the glass foot stomping fun once! They view Orthodox Jews like "way out there" fundamentalist crazy uncles that must be looked after because, after all, the aren't chopped liver!  ANY claim to Orthodoxy is BULLSHIT.

And some of that "Orthodoxy", by the way is Talmudic. The Talmud is THE modern day version of GOTT MIT UNS that "justifies" doing WHATEVER to get the real estate that "JAWEH/JEHOVAH or G_d as many write it"  promised "the chosen people". Talmudic "orthodoxy is COUNTERFEIT orthodoxy that ALLOWS a RELIGIOUS OATH to be taken to promise to LIE to non-Jews! 

The Torah Jews have ALWAYS been AGAINST a Jewish state!


But never mind all that. I don't want to get into a long discussion on the Torah and the ENORMEOUS differences and IMMORALITY (according to the Torah)  that the Talmud claims is MORAL and HONORABLE and BLESSED behavior.

My point is that this is about ETHNICITY and a FAKE "religious" justification for MIGHT IS RIGHT, PERIOD. Every thing you say and know about radical Palestinian education and behavior is, and always was, a powerless outlier FINANCED by war profiteering PROVOCATEURS (NOT religious fanatics!), BLOWN UP in media importance and PROVEN to be partly FINANCED by the Israelis in a clever half a century and counting propaganda effort to mendaciously give Palestinian BAD GUY EQUIVALENCE to the GENOCIDE that Israel is waging.  :emthdown: :emthdown: :emthdown:

As a lawyer, you want to look at both sides of an issue. Fine. Watch the video below. It is TOTALLY objective. NOTICE the date. NOTICE that NOTHING has changed.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...p;feature=player_embedded
An Israeli General's son tells the TRUTH!



I took the following screen shot and added some of the author's statements to underline the fact that there is NO WAY people should ever say, well, the Palestinians do this and that too! The terrorists ARE the Israelis, PERIOD! It's time for decent Jews to STOP defending State Sponsored Israeli Terrorism.

 

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As I said before, it doesn't make any sense to me to only point out the immorality displayed by militant Israelis and not also point out the immorality displayed by militant Palestinians..
Well, consider that IF the main provocateurs in this expansionist "policy" are atheist ethnically (mostly) Reform Jews totally divorced from religion and totally sold on Social Darwinism, game theory and 'survival of the apex predator' as the only "morality" that counts, the duplicity would certainly involve using the RELIGION card to inflame the masses.  :evil4:  So they do.

Without said provocation, do you seriously think that Arabs, who have lived in relative peace there for hundreds of years (at least), would, because the Israelis looked non-warlike, take the war to them instead? I don't think so. Do you? If the Palestinians won't get aggressive if left alone, how can you ascribe equivalence? 

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I know most people do not intend any sort of anti-Jewish sentiment by doing this, but that seems to be the practical psychological effect .

That's precisely what I am asking you NOT to assume is an unintentional effect    from the Provocateurs.

WHY?

Because THAT is precisely what the game theory bastards that are running this "It's a clash of civilizations -I.E. RELIGIONS-" baloney are using to disarm Christians! It's the old "Israel is merely DOING IT TO THE PALESTINIANS BEFORE THE PALESTINIANS DO IT TO THEM" LIE.  The practical psychological effect was DELIBERATELY effected by the media mendacious and duplicitous reporting as far back as 1967! 

Ashvin, you KNOW how propaganda works. Your concern for an "anti-Semitic" (Ashkenazis and MOST Israelis are NOT Semitic at all!) backlash is exactly what the propagandists count on. Are you afraid Christianity will be demonized along with Judaism? Then WRITE about the ATHEISTS who are ethnically Jewish and their neo-con pals that have ABSOLUTLY NO USE for the Ten Commandments or a Supreme Being except as a propaganda tool. The exact same thing can be said of a lot of nominal "Christians" as well.

Thinking that telling it how it IS will open the door to a new holocaust or/and possibly undermine Christianity is an emotional response, brother. It's not logic based. We should VERBALLY ATTACK, not defend, those who USE religion as a devious front for war profiteering and genocide to muzzle those who fear a backlash. That is what the Israeli General's son does. That's what I do. That's what you should do too. 

If you think a properly run media would not clear up that mistaken idea that would spin off of telling the TRUTH about Israeli "policy" ("DA JEWS DID IT SO LET'S GIT EM' ") based on the FACTS on the GROUND in Israel, then it's because the propagandists have beat us by conflating the power mad goons running the mayhem with the Religion of Judaism. It's their cover! Stop letting them use it by claiming the Palestinians are equally at fault.

Proverbs 26:20  When there is no wood, the fire is extinguished, and where there is no troublemaker, strife ceases.
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 10:36:44 pm »
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 11:51:53 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/wa...p;feature=player_embedded

Published on Jan 13, 2012

Comment. This film was made by Dr Niels Harrit to document the BBC interview he gave to the BBC as part their 2011 'Conspiracy Files' series; which was basically an attempt to undermine the 9-11 truth movement.   

It goes without saying that when it was all edited & spliced together Dr Harrit appeared to be simply another conspiracy nut & the interviewer a reasonable investigative Journalist just doing his job. This film however graphically shows the BBC in their true light & how they really conduct themselves away from public scrutiny.

There are many comments on here of the opinion that the interviewer; BBC Producer Michael Rudin is just some type of incompetent or even ill-mannered BBC hack. It is my personal belief that he is much worse than that. He is most likely is one of many employed by the security services as agents working at the BBC. The BBC is basically a propaganda tool for the state, irrespective of what stripe of government is in power their function is always to manipulate public opinion in order to maintain the status quo.

Don't forget to pay the license fee & enjoy the brainwashing.  ;D


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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2014, 01:30:32 am »
http://www.youtube.com/wa...p;feature=player_embedded
Three weeks notice for a 36 hour power down in the upper HALF of the WTC southern tower of the twin towers (where this man worked on the 97th floor) that took place September 8 and 9 of the year 2001...
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2014, 03:20:19 pm »
CNN Edits Out RT Hostís Nasty (Agelbert note: but truthful!) On-Air Dispute with Christiane Amanpour


by Andrew Kirell | 3:23 pm, November 24th, 2014

Russiaís state-funded cable news channel is taking aim at CNN for inviting an RT host to discuss Kremlin politics but editing out her fierce criticisms of the American cable outlet.

In the Know host Anissa Naouai appeared last week on Christiane AmanpourĎs CNN International nightly talk show to defend her network against accusations that it is part of Russian President Vladimir PutinĎs ďpropaganda war.Ē The conversation apparently took a drastic turn for the worse when the guest went after the hostís personal connections to the U.S. Department of State.

Ultimately, Amanpour told Naouai, the most contentious bits were unworthy of airtime and would certainly be edited out. In response to the edits, RT posted video of its half of Naouaiís satellite feed, showing her answers that were omitted from the final product. CNN posted the full transcript to its website in the interest of transparency; RT did the same.

To be clear: News outlets routinely edit pre-taped interviews ó normally for timing purposes, but also to cut down on redundancies or rambling questions/answers ó and so this is not at all an ethical scandal. As a pre-taped show, Amanpour makes its guests aware that they will be edited down for time. This particular interview, as youíll see in a moment, happened to go very long.

But considering edits are a common practice in the news business, this story provides a fascinating glimpse into how and why words get left on the cutting room floor.

And when you compare the unedited clips to what actually aired on CNN, youíll notice RT is correct about one thing: Most of Naouaiís direct criticism of the American network and its host were edited out for broadcast. At one point in the unedited transcript, Amanpour herself makes clear to Naouai that the personal attacks render some of the footage unusable for TV.

The first tense moment removed entirely from broadcast occurred when Amanpour suggested to the other guest, anti-Putin politician Mikhail Kasyanov, that Naouai admitted RT perhaps exaggerates the threat of neo-Nazism in Ukraine:


AMANPOUR: Is it more than exaggeration? And as such, is it a fair interpretation of whatís going on and what are the consequences?

KASYANOV: Thatís not Ė

NAOUAI: I didnít admit that it was an exaggeration. I said who are we to say that itís an exaggeration as non-Russians. 30 millions of them were killed in World War II. I said, ďWho are we to say itís an exaggeration?Ē Thatís what I said exactly.

AMANPOUR: No, you didnít say that. You said they may Ė that might be an exaggeration, but then who are we to say that fears are exaggerated? Iíve got that on record. So donít worry about it. Thatís going to be played.

NAOUAI: Yes, I didnít admit that it was an exaggeration.

AMANPOUR: All right. But you actually did and Iíll play it and you can dispute it afterwards if you like. But I will play it and itís not a problem. Itís what you said.

Later in the interview, Amanpour asked Nauouai about another Russian channelís error in covering the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 tragedy. The entire passage was edited out, but you can sense the conversation getting more strained as the RT host began to rattle off examples of CNNís own errors:


NAOUAI: I have to point out that I donít represent the Russian media, but RT. I know the image youíre talking about, of course. It should be pointed out also that that image was on the Internet for quite a couple of months Ė unfortunately this channel took the bait. They didnít verify it. We did, of course. Thatís why we didnít show it. But to sort of condemn the First Channel for mistakes that weíve all make Ė- and I remember very well Jim Clancy of CNN showing a video in Donetsk in May of this year of a supposed helicopter being downed by these anti-Kiev fighters. We went online; we checked the video. The video was from Syria. We never even saw a retraction from CNN. So itís a little difficult to judgeÖ

And the discussion truly went off the rails when Naouai brazenly accused Amanpour of being a state propagandist herself. Check out this bitingly personal exchange below, from right after the host asked Naouai if itís ďhealthyĒ for Russian audiences to get only one view from RT. It gets ugly:


NAOUAI: Ötís an absurd question coming from someone thatís propagated the line of the State Department for over 15 years. I mean, itís absolutely absurd. 

AMANPOUR: Well, are you talking to me?

NAOUAI: Yes. Absolutely Iím talking to you. Who else would I be talking to?

AMANPOUR: Are you talking to me?

NAOUAI: Absolutely.

AMANPOUR: Youíve got to be kidding me.

NAOUAI: Youíve propagated the line of the State Department for over 15 years, starting with Yugoslavia and all the way into Syria. And now youíre doing it for Ukraine, essentially. Absolutely, Iím talking to you.

AMANPOUR: Oh, my goodness.  Have you seen any of my reports about Syria? Have you seen any of my reports about Syria?

NAOUAI: Iíve seen lots of your reports and in not one report where you find you questioning the United States government and their policy. And we, with our Russian propaganda, question those arms to the FSA, question those arms to al-Nusra and other leagues. And now today we have ISIS.

Again, this was all removed from broadcast. According to transcripts, Amanpour began scolding her guest for not having an ďadult discussion,Ē but Naouai simply responded that sheíd like for CNNís audience to be made aware of their hostís background. And thatís when the RT host invoked Amanpourís husband, former State Department official James Rubin:


AMANPOUR: They are aware of [my past work], which is why theyíve been watching me for a long time. But listen to me, I would like you seriouslyÖ

NAOUAI: Iím glad they do, and Iím sure they know who James Rubin is, Iím sure they watch your work in Yugoslavia.

AMANPOUR: Öas an act of research and as an act of education, go back and find all my work on Yugoslavia and all my work on Syria and match that with the policy of the United States government and furthermore, go back and watch what launched me and that was a to-and-fro with President Clinton challenging his policy on Bosnia and Yugoslavia. So Anissa, listen, I have respected you but I really donít think that you should be doing this to me, of all people, on this Ė on this broadcast and on this satellite link. And youíre wrong. And I challenge you to go backÖ

NAOUAI: Yes, how dare someone tell CNN to check who their sponsors are, what governments they are working with!

AMANPOUR: No! No!

NAOUAI: How dare someone come on CNN and say that!  ;D

AMANPOUR: No! Hey, excuse me, no, no, no, you just said whatever you wanted to say. When you become ad hominem to me, thatís a problem, because youíre not doing it from a basis of knowledge.

NAOUAI: Well, let your viewers decide, Christiane. I think thatís the fairest way out of this debate.   

Amanpour insisted that Naouai watch her antagonistic 1994 interview with then-President Clinton before making such assertions, and informed her guest: ďYou can be sure Iím not putting this on the air, Anissa. Itís a personal attack.Ē

Naouai said she is familiar with the interview and accused Amanpour of agitating for war in Kosovo. 
The CNN host finally ended it on this note, including an acknowledgement of the fact that sheíll have to provide a polite goodbye for the edited version of the interview:

AMANPOUR: Anissa, come on; youíve lost me, babe. Thank you very much. Thank you very much indeed. I really appreciate it. Iím sorry; I thought we could have an adult  ::) discussion. And we canít. Thank you so much. Alright. Now I have to pretend to thank you.

Watch the edited interview as it aired on CNN below (at link).
THEN watch the truth filled  UNEDITED  portion RT aired (at link):

http://www.mediaite.com/t...with-christiane-amanpour/



Agelbert NOTE: CNN is part of the USA fascist propaganda machinery. Russia is no saint be they are spot on here.   


http://www.mediaite.com/t...with-christiane-amanpour/
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2014, 08:04:49 pm »
Vladimir Putin: Traitor to the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/w...p;feature=player_embedded

Vladimir Putin is NOT the enemy of Patriotic Americans. 

He is a burr in the saddle of the conscience free, cruel, war profiteering and planet polluting elite here and ANYWHERE else.

God Bless him!     
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2014, 09:58:20 pm »
Part 2 of Vladimir Putin: Traitor to the New World Order
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The planet polluting elite are DESPERATE to start a World War.  >:(
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2014, 12:30:24 am »
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September 11, 2001 was the day the last piece needed to convert the USA into a Fascist Police State was put into place.  :(


 

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2014, 12:43:35 am »
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Loose Change THIRD EDITION! The first ten minutes are EXCELLENT!
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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2014, 06:44:01 pm »
Peace on Earth             

https://www.youtube.com/w...p;feature=player_embedded

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And in despair I bowed my head:
"There is no peace on earth," I said,
"For hate is strong and mocks the song
Of peace on earth, good will to men."
 



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« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2014, 08:15:19 pm »
Homo Sapiens: A stubborn, stiff necked species that REFUSES TO LEARN.  :'(
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No, the Homo SAPS can't hear the bells a ringin'. 
 


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