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He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

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Re: Profiles in Courage
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2014, 06:53:33 am »
Interesting in that I have a great appreciation for the bodies of work of both Bill Hicks and Mike Ruppert. A taste clearly not shared on DD.

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Re: Profiles in Courage
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2014, 03:25:37 pm »
Surly,
You are a patient man but I don't believe you ever really fit in to the irrational, dismissive, "we've got this planet all figured out" attitude prevalent at the DD. They like to argue but, by and large, have no interest in questioning the premises of their world view. Premises established when they were about FOURTEEN.  >:(

Speaking of Ruppert, I heard an interesting commentary on Ruppert from Webster Tarpley. Tarpley is a historical scholar. I don't agree with his views on energy and his dismissive attitude toward the Occupy movement. But, he makes sense when he says that Ruppert was off base claiming that the guy that did an expose on drug trafficking in L.A. by the CIA and was later "suicided" by the CIA WAS NOT SUICIDED. I think Ruppert was Suicided just like Gary Webb.

Anyway, the point Tarpley brought up, and I agree with him there, is that the world view that humans are inherently evil with absolutely no recourse to a better world is an interpretation of the created Universe that leads to a "There is no solution" type attitude (quite prevalent at the DD, regardless of the rampant atheism there) that can lead to paranoia and a closed mind towards potential solutions when things look very dark  (i..e. 85% forked = 100% forked is BAD LOGIC).

A person in this "collapse is imminent" mind set becomes trapped in a self reinforcing depressive cycle and loses objectivity. This happened to Mike Ruppert in regard to renewable energy. He refused to study it or even contemplate it as a solution NOT BECAUSE of the physics and laws of thermodynamics, but because he was CONVINCED that there IS NO HOPE and was not interested in anything that would delay the "apocalypse". Maybe he was right. But the point is that closing the door to hope is a bad way to live and certainly not the way we should live in a JUST UNIVERSE. The fact that the Christian world view believes that man's nature is flawed and the universe is fallen does not justify the view that we are just naturally bad and there ain't a thing we can do but bend over and kiss our arses goodbye. Ruppert was wrong that fossil fuels could not be replaced and mankind could not live sustainably. He was right that sociopaths run the world and some of them were out to get him.

God did not make an unjust, random universe, like many DD people wrongly believe. No matter how hard mankind  tries to fork it up, a remnant of mankind HAS the answers because those answers EXIST, not because they are a pipe dream. God is good. The universe is good. Man can be good despite his fallen nature. You're here. I'm here. THAT'S PROOF!  ;D

Entropy is real and we are all going to die someday. So what? That doesn't mean we should throw up our hands and claim man is too evil (a rather virulent form of entropy born of spiritual bankruptcy when applied to human to human physical, destructive behavior) to be without recourse for a sustainable society. Tarpley claims that logic is a mental box canyon.  I agree. Tarpley has more faith in hard ball politics and BS energy "solutions"   like nuclear and fusion  :P and still doesn't get how badly forked the environment is  but that doesn't negate the validity of his view that assuming that no solution exists is wrong for a responsible human being.  


Listen to the Tarpley Broadcast of April 19, 2014 if you would like to hear what he said. It includes an accurate and extremely informative history lesson on the Ukraine (it's an artificial country actually invented by the Germans in WWII!  :o

http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/
   
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Re: Profiles in Courage
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2014, 10:51:29 am »
Hi AG,

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You are a patient man but I don't believe you ever really fit in to the irrational, dismissive, "we've got this planet all figured out" attitude prevalent at the DD. They like to argue but, by and large, have no interest in questioning the premises of their world view. Premises established when they were about FOURTEEN.  >:(

Speaking of Ruppert, I heard an interesting commentary on Ruppert from Webster Tarpley. Tarpley is a historical scholar. I don't agree with his views on energy and his dismissive attitude toward the Occupy movement. But, he makes sense when he says that Ruppert was off base claiming that the guy that did an expose on drug trafficking in L.A. by the CIA and was later "suicided" by the CIA WAS NOT SUICIDED. I think Ruppert was Suicided just like Gary Webb.

I am not sure I deserve the implicit praise, but thanks. Often I am ANYTHING but patient.

You already know that I am not an atheist. But I guess I read the commentary differently from you, in terms of "we have the planet figured out." Geez, the older I get, the more I realize I know little, and that much of what I know has been shaped by those with an agenda. So I have learned to question everything.

You would have to be either an optimist or a lunatic to be an old man involved with Occupy. I qualify on both counts, girded by the belief that it is only masses of people in the streets that can possibly counteract the pernicious influence of corporate money or get the attention of their otherwise-bought hirelings to influence policy. So how's that working out so far? Not so good. The same people who have the police locked down also own mass media and are in the process of turning the net into a greased tube for Amazon, Comcast and verizon.

Hard times for an optimist.

In re Ruppert, there is a body of evidence that suggests otherwise. Allow me to point you to these and you can consider the argument that he did in fact take his own life.

http://michaelcruppert.com/what-happened/
http://cherispeak.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/michael-c-ruppert-left-four-notes-and-a-poem/
http://cherispeak.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/michael-c-ruppert-said-you-dont-read/

I am struck by that one of the last thoughts attributed to MR was, "There is no more time." It reminded me strongly of a quote often misattributed to Buddha, but actually From Carlos Castaneda, in the voice of Don Juan:

There is one simple thing wrong with you – you think you have plenty of time … If you don’t think your life is going to last forever, what are you waiting for ? Why the hesitation to change? You don’t have time for this display, you fool. This, whatever you’re doing now, may be your last act on earth. It may very well be your last battle. There is no power which could guarantee that you are going to live one more minute.

If we don't show up, who will?

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Re: Profiles in Courage
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2014, 04:46:00 pm »
Surly,
This is an extremely complicated subject for me. As a veteran (over 23 years ago) of, not one, but TWO suicide attempts over a one year period, I respectfully request that you set aside what you think you know about Ruppert, his justification for doing what he did, your views on the degree of inertia hurtling mankind toward a massive collapse and die off (i.e. that it is Thelma & Louise after they left the cliff edge situation).

My friend, you do not understand the nature of the various methods those in control of a society use to marginalize whistle blowers when they haven't killed them outright. Society, my friend, DOES NOT WANT TO GO THERE. Why? Because it would force a review of the passive aggressive measures used to SUICIDE a person. No job, no friends, no income, no opportunities, etc. DO NOT DRIVE A PERSON INSANE. The bipolar business and "mental instability" so often attributed to the person that took his own life are a fiction created for the express purpose of absolving an INSANE and CRIMINAL society from responsibility in the murder by suicide of a thorn in the ruling class's side. It is an established clinical fact that ANYONE can be driven to suicide through a combination of ostracism and surreptitious drugs added to his or her food. They DO IT ALL THE TIME, Surly. Do you want chapter and verse on this? I'm too worn out to find it for you but you KNOW it's there, hidden in plain sight.

1. A person becomes a target because said person challenges a ruling class piece of propaganda that is essential to control of the populace.

2. ALL human needs of said target are analyzed to see what is the "weak" point.

3. A multi pronged approach, depending on the importance of the target, begins to close all the doors that allow said person to feel they are successful at whistle blowing ("Come down off the cross, Mike." implying the effort is quixotic).

4. A multi pronged approach, depending on the importance of the target, begins to close all the doors that allow said person to eat, sleep and socialize without conflict and constant struggle, always, but gradually, making it more and more difficult to make ends meet. This is key to undermining the self esteem of the target.

5. Efforts are made to isolate the person from any and all persons who give him or her respect, comfort or friendship. Nickel and diming in the monetary needs area (landlord ups the rent, court won't address it, cops ignore his complaints, etc.) and defamatory rumors are spread about the person being a pervert of some sort to keep potential readers or people who admire the target away from him.

6. when the target claims "they" are out to get him, his pedigree as a "MENTALLY UNSTABLE" person is established. This is the GREEN LIGHT for the next phase: The health care professional that befriends him and provides ALL THE MEDICATION he needs free of charge to "help him in his crisis". The medication is designed to mimic a bipolar diagnosis (periods of euphoria followed by severe depressive states - that's right Surly, "MEDICATION" does that).

7. Now it's a waiting game. The target's rep is tarnished as his missives appear more paranoid and he refuses to justify, in a detailed, objective manner, his claims of being persecuted or any of his other claims on government criminality. He withdraws his trust from 100% of the people around him because he doesn't know who to trust. This reinforces the planned ostracism of the target (now with the HELP of the target!) that will lead inexorably towards suicide. The target is putting stuff out there that certain professionals quote with "concern" about the "mental health" of the person and "suggesting" that said person needs help. The sociopaths rub their hands with glee at this key aspect of the "program" bearing its rotten fruit.

8.The next severe depressive swing has the target logically considering that there really isn't any hope for HIM. He conflates that lack of hope with the previous, and erroneous, assumption that "Thelma and Louise have gone off the cliff" (the basic premise of the DD).  This is a faulty premise. However since the premise that "they" are out to get him is NOT faulty, this clouds his mind (when he is in the depressive swing) to the "There is NO HOPE for ANYONE" assumption.

Target realizes that those out to get him will be tarnished if he dies and many will pay more attention to what the target wrote if he dies violently. Many will suspect he was suicided. This is the only light in the tunnel the target can see. He sees himself as using his death as the last act to fight the evil establishment. He sees himself on a mission from God to do this (he may be right but that never included suicide) justifying the act. Now he begins to plan, knowing his mental state will be questioned. He writes SANE hints here and there about a logical, studied course "action" that is the only "recourse" in the battle against the foe.

9. Target off's himself. Sure the CIA didn't do a double tap on his forehead Mossad style but it's the SAME GOD D A M N E D THING, Surly.

I just explained to you what the people in Vermont have done systematically for a couple of centuries in this country. Modern science, with the help of  pharmacology, has perfected the technique. They won, Surly. But they haven't, and never will, outsmart or actually succeed in thwarting God, who holds ALL the cards. THAT is MY main reason for HOPE, not renewable energy. God IS in CONTROL.

Mike KNEW that God wasn't going to do JACK **** to stop mankind's insanity with fossil fuels. But that should not have caused him to go the "there is no hope" path. Mike was smart. The sociopaths knew that so they messed with his mind so he could aid THEM in ruining Mike's rep. This is the MAIN tool used by the evil ones (ridicule, charges of mental instability, perversion, etc.) to destroy the power of the person's message by destroying the messenger's cred. On a much, much smaller scale, I experienced similar attempts to destroy my cred at the DD. I know of what I speak. I got rather tired of people more concerned with pointing fingers at me than arguing the merits of my posts.

I don't have Ruppert's brain or skills at exposing the bad guys. BUT, I KNOW how people are suicided by society through ostracism and slander. I've BEEN THERE. I am CERTAIN that RUPPERT, even though he may have put the gun to his forehead, DID NOT commit suicide; he was MURDERED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT

I don't think I'm splitting hairs here, Surly. Maslow's heirarchy of human needs is REAL. You and many DDers like RE can claim you've got to be tough and not let it "get to you" and only the "weak sisters" (like me?) with thin skin or insufficient "grit" to give everyone the finger and keep smiling fall to this evil technique. B U L L S H I T ! I can take you and, in six months turn you into a basket case looking for a bridge to jump off of with the power and chemicals available to our government. God knows this. Sometimes, He works a miracle and the person lives on (point blank suicides sometimes don't work because the bullet misses all the "right" spots or the gun won't go off, etc - a pastor's witness about when he pointed a double barreled shot gun at the inside of his mouth) but the GUILTY PARTY is the GOVERNMENT, not the person. You may disagree, but I believe God sees it that way too.

Like I said at the beginning, society will not accept that it murders people by suicide. Sure when a person is dying of cancer and commits suicide to avoid pain, that's the real deal and society is not involved.  But the fact that your arm held the gun that shot YOU is NOT proof of suicide until the role of the GOVERNMENT in closing off ALL avenues of life quality through the elimination of needs (Maslow's hierarchy) is studied THOROUGHLY. Of course that ain't gonna happen any time soon.

So why didn't I succeed in my two  (actually there were three but the authorities never learned about the sleeping pills - I just slept for a couple of days lol!) suicide attempts? I don't know. Perhaps it was so I could keep a Diner from committing suicide early on when I was posting at the Diner (I'll write about it soon). Perhaps to take care of my wife and cat. Perhaps I have some function, like this post, that will help you survive and thrive.

I'm not the boss. J.C. calls the shots in my life. I am His willing slave and though I have little desire to remain on planet earth, I realize it's not my decision. Ruppert forgot that but I'm certain that was due to some drug that set up a severe depressive state combined with a panic attack. He was a good man. They killed. He is with God. 

Finally, the KEY to start destroying a person's HOPE so you can DESTROY their self esteem and pave the way to suicide is to get said person to ASSUME that logically, scientifically, politically and even randomly in the "Darwinian" universe we inhabit, there is no purpose in remaining alive; but you MIGHT buy some time for those you love by committing suicide. 

Don't say it can't happen to you, Surly. Don't allow hopelessness into your world view. The DD is STUCK in that world view. God does NOT want you to think that way. Satan DOES!

 

 
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Re: Profiles in Courage
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2014, 09:45:47 pm »
AG,

A remarkable post with a lot of food for thought.

I have been working all weekend, and will try to unpack some of this for discussion in the next day or so. I am bone tired right now, and just came across this as I am ready to pack it in.

Thank you for the cre and the depth with which you put this together.

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Re: Profiles in Courage
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2014, 01:15:28 am »
Surly,
You are welcome, my friend. 
This is a library. There is no pressure and no rush here ever.  ;D

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Profiles in Courage: Michael Dadashi
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2014, 01:30:36 pm »
Michael Dadashi


A former heroin addict started this awesome e-waste company that hires others in recovery

By Holly Richmond

Most ex-heroin addicts don’t start multimillion-dollar companies, but Michael Dadashi did — and now almost 70 percent of his employees are former alcoholics and drug addicts too. Dadashi’s company is MHD Enterprises, which recycles electronic waste.

MHD recycles, repairs, and resells businesses’ old tech products and items customers have returned. Dadashi actually started the company to support his heroin habit, according to Fast Company, which had plagued him since age 18. (He’d learned about e-waste recycling at a short-lived previous job.)

After trying rehab, he OD’d while he was driving in 2009 and finally got clean. By 2012, MHD was the 28th fastest-growing company in America. With his recovery and business both on track, Dadashi combined the two, hiring people from the detox center where he served as a sponsor.    As he told Fast Co.:

“We’re giving computers and electronics a second chance,
but what talks to my heart is giving people a second chance.”

AWW. Do you have a tissue? I’m fine; it’s just my allergies.  ;D
http://grist.org/list/a-former-heroin-addict-started-this-awesome-e-waste-company-that-hires-others-in-recovery
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Profiles in Courage: George Washington Carver
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2014, 02:11:50 pm »
George Washington Carver


"I believe the Great Creator has put oil and ores on this earth to give us a breathing spell...As we exhaust them, we must fall back on our farms, which is God's true storehouse and can never be exhausted. For we can learn to synthesize materials for every human need from the things that grow."

- George Washington Carver -


Please read this article first:

Decades-old pollution loophole still burns people of color and the poor


By Brentin Mock


Petrochemical companies in the U.S. are into some really funky practices.  >:(

You may know that refineries and other polluting industrial plants have to apply for government-issued permits to secrete toxins into the air. The permits ensure that those secretions don’t rise above certain air quality standards so people living nearby don’t get sick and die.

Even so, companies across the country have found ways to release more poisons into the air than is safe – nasties like soot, the product of incomplete combustion. Scientists have found no level of soot that is safe for humans breathe it in. There’s no 50 shades of this gray stuff; if you live next to one of these soot secretors and inhale even a little bit of the stuff, you increase your likelihood of dying early, period.

One of the excuses companies use is that their facilities release certain premature and post-operational emissions when they are firing up, shutting down, or when they break down. This is part of doing business, they say, so it shouldn’t count under the permit caps, even though it fouls up the air quality of the people who live near their facilities.

Roughly three dozen states allow for this type of pollution under rules called “startup shutdown malfunction,” or SSM,  :P by those who track this and who care about people’s health. It’s been going on for roughly four decades, and environmental justice groups want it stopped, like, yesterday.

The Environmental Protection Agency is in the process of finalizing a rule to do that by June 12 — thanks to a Sierra Club petition — but the groups want faster closure. After all, lives are at stake. On Earth Day, the Environmental Justice Leadership Forum on Climate Change sent a letter to President Obama urging him to “expeditiously move forward with finalization and implementation of this much- needed, long-overdue public health safeguard.”

The problem isn’t Obama, though. Like most things policy these days, it’s the states that have been obstructing progress. States are responsible for developing plans that ensure they are complying with national air quality standards. But not only have many states allowed for SSM excuses, but some provide additional cover for SSM pollution by waiving the financial liability — as much as $37,500 per violation daily — that normally comes with polluting beyond permitted limits. Called “affirmative defense,” it’s the kind of corporate affirmative action that hardly ever gets checked. (The EPA actually has allowed these affirmative defenses in the past, but a recent D.C. Circuit Court ruling, on a case brought by the Natural Resources Defense Council, will force the agency to rethink that.)

Luckily, states don’t have final say on air quality plans, especially if they are not up to snuff. Congress granted the EPA the last say, under the Clean Air Act, meaning the federal agency becomes the ultimate dominatrix tasked with whipping state plans into shape if proven flaccid.

Such federal ceilings and check systems are needed because, as I’ve written before, states sometimes pretend that their stink don’t **** on other states. Also, because China.

The EPA knew SSM was a problem back in 1977.  >:( But when it set the rules, it had neither the resources nor the staff expertise to actually do anything when the rules were broken. That’s not a knock against the EPA; many new federal agency rules have a trial-and-error period when they are refined through tests and challenges. Also, Congress often bestows rule-making powers on federal agencies, but with little guidance on how to exercise those powers. Environmental groups help mold and finesse the rules via public comments … and by suing the **** out of the government agencies responsible for upholding them.

But when it comes to SSM, companies have been allowed to pollute with impunity for so long that it’s as if they feel entitled. (Remember this next time Republicans give a budget speech cursing the “entitlements” of low-income Americans.) I’m sure it hasn’t helped that the victims of this lack of oversight have mostly been communities of color and poor residents. Those neighborhoods generally don’t matter enough for anyone to care to change their practices.

Fact is, little cracking down happened for too long. Today, air pollution can be better tracked and mapped, and the data better organized and stored — though all far from perfect. Environmental groups just want the rules and their enforcement finally brought into alignment with the updated info.

To understand the urgency of this, listen to the stories of some of the people who live on the fencelines of these polluters, collected from a Sierra Club document about state plans to address SSM issues:

Birmingham, Ala.

The Walter Coke plant has been raining down pollution since the 1880s, a practice that hasn’t slowed even as Jefferson County recently ranked tenth in the nation for cancer risks from toxic air.  The company is no stranger to SSM, having invoked it over 80 times from 2008 to 2012 alone. This has meant hell for Charlie Powell, who lived close-by for nearly 40 years, developing respiratory problems in the process, and his wife developing cancer. His 70-year-old aunt Eunice Webb also has asthma after 20 years of living within a mile of the plant, as does one of her grandchildren who lives with her. Her mother and sister, also Walter Coke neighbors, have suffered heart attacks and her husband died from cancer.

Detroit, Mich.

The 48217 zip code is the most polluted in the nation, thanks to the Detroit Marathon Refinery. A $2.2 billion expansion in 2008 to process Canadian tar sands for crude oil couldn’t have helped. The funky sulfuric emissions from Marathon flaring has burdened long-time 48217 resident Regina Woodard-Smith with breathing problems, when not regularly over-peppering her home and yard with soot. For Sherry Griswold, who lives within a few hundred feet of Marathon, the monster flaring has shaken her home so badly that ceiling tiles dropped loose. She has stopped bringing her grandchildren over after tiring of washing soot off their skin from playing outside.

Shreveport, La.

The Calumet refinery released over 320,000 pounds of excess air pollution over the neighboring community between 2005 and 2012. There are four elementary schools in close proximity. Velma White, who’s lived in the community for almost 40 years, became concerned about Calumet’s pollution after her daughter fell ill to renal failure. Many others in the neighborhood have developed respiratory illnesses, asthma, heart disease, skin problems, and cancer. She has suffered from Calumet’s flaring and funky emissions herself, with constant burning sensations in her nose and mouth and nausea.

It doesn’t sound like these communities are getting any pleasure out of living close to these refineries. Since many of the residents are elderly and low-income, they have few if any options to move away. This is why environmental groups are hoping Obama hears their hollers.

 

Brentin Mock is a Washington, D.C.-based journalist who writes regularly for Grist about environmental justice issues and the connections between environmental policy, race, and politics. Follow him on Twitter at @brentinmock.


Well said. It needs to be shouted from the rooftops until the deliberately hard of hearing oligarchy that runs our country gets it. I  posted the following on a seemingly totally different subject to show the toxic relationship of white privilege to people of color and the poor of any color by "greed is good" true believers that have cursed our country from the outset:

http://grist.org/cities/decades-old-pollution-loophole-still-burns-the-poor-people-of-color

The subsequent post is connected through an indirect route to the above article. The post is my rant against Koch lies about biofuel sources being "bad" for the environment at Cleantechnica followed by praise of Brenton for writing (at Grist)  about how the poor of color are set up to breath toxic air in the USA.

In answer to an article claiming corn is a poor biofuel source (  http://cleantechnica.com/2014/04/27/cornstalk-biofuels-can-generate-greenhouse-gases-gasoline-research-finds/ ) :

This is grossly erroneous information. But just for the hell of it, let's say it is true. Hello? Have you morons erudite luminaries heard of Duckweed or Azolla (mosquito fern, duckweed fern, fairy moss, water fern)? Never mind sugar cane, which beats the stuffing out of corn (a crop set up as a biofuel source by big oil deliberately to fail!), both Azolla and Duckweed have higher growth rates, actually sequester carbon rather than simply being carbon neutral and can grow in just about any place that humans live on this planet, including non-arable land because you grow them with water that does not ever have to be replenished from the initial shallow tank amount, thank you very much.

Sorry folks, spare me the hemming and hawing about "unproven" crops and biofuels, this is really another Koch funded piece of clever half truth.

Do you remember how our ancestors crowded the native Americans and Blacks into the worst living conditions imaginable, took away their quality of life, pride of ownership and any hope for a decent future and then "lamented" how "genetically lazy and prone to theft and immoral behavior" said people were as compared to whitey?    Sure you do! Well, guess what? Big oil has been doing that with renewable energy in general and biofuel crops in particular for several decades. Have you ever heard of hemp? Did you know you can make any plastic there is from it cheaper than from fossil fuels? Did you know we were doing just that in the 1930s until a "strange" series of fires destroyed our first major chemurgy refinery? Get real people. Big oil is just "doing what they have done for over 100 years! . We need fossil fuels like a hole in the head.

Corn was always a poor, lousy, stupid choice for biofuels because you need to plow a field - you need lots of fuel for the machinery in a self defeating loop of irrationality when you are looking for biofuels, it's an annual instead of a perennial - a guarantee of leaking carbon into the atmosphere! The Kansas Land Institute proved all this (and provided a thorough laundry list of perennial grasses that don't require plowing or pesticides - all much more cost efficient for biofuel stock than stupid corn) and told it to Congress over 15 years ago and Congress would not listen. -And that's the way big oil wanted it!

Learn our history or be doomed to be suckered by big oil again and again!

http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/fossil-fuel-folly/how-the-promise-of-chemurgy-was-dashed-by-big-oil/msg3/#msg3

And by the way, Brentin. I wish to say I admire your articles which exemplify integrity and veracity in reporting. I am certain you know of this African American scientist that could have changed our energy history in the 1930s if the Chemurgy technology he invented to make hydrocarbons out of plant carbohydrates had not been sabotaged by Standard Oil's seven sisters (Rockefeller and oil cartel friends, that Teddy Roosevelt <b>never actually dismantled </b>),  working hand in hand with Dupont (tetra ethyl lead fuel additive) and bought and paid politicians.

http://classprojects.cornellcollege.edu/stewart/AAMuseum/lifeswork(Chemurgy).htm

George Washington Carver, “Father of chemurgy”
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2012/06/celebrating-fathers-of-on-fathers-day/memory-05/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik3iWiTlln8&feature=player_embedded
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He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

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Profiles in Courage: Steven Donziger
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2014, 10:09:01 pm »



Steven Donziger





SEE ABOVE  >:(  Chevron propaganda poster lying through their corrupt and EVIL TEETH!


Steven Donziger lives in New York City where he practices law in the area of international human rights and the environment. He is part of a team of advocates representing indigenous and farmer communities in an area of the Ecuadorian Amazon rainforest polluted by oil operations conducted by Texaco, now owned by Chevron. In 2011, the communities won a landmark $19 billion judgment against Chevron for the cleanup of what is considered to be one of the worst oil-related environmental catastrophes in the world. Steven has been involved in advocacy for the affected communities since first visiting the region in 1993.

Steven was the founder and director of Project Due Process, a legal advocacy group for Cuban detainees who came to the United States in the Mariel boatlift. He is the former director of the non-partisan National Criminal Justice Commission that produced the book The Real War on Crime (HarperCollins). His analysis and commentary on human rights, environmental, and criminal justice matters has been featured in numerous legal publications, academic journals, and news outlets. After graduating from law school in 1991, Steven worked as a trial attorney with the District of Columbia Public Defender Service. He currently serves on the Board of Advisors to the Fortune Society, the largest self-help organization for ex-offenders in the United States. In 1991, Steven led a mission of lawyers and public health specialists to Iraq to assess the impact on civilians of the bombing during the first Gulf War.

Agelbert NOTE:excellent VIDEO AT LINK showing WHAT A MURDEROUS bunch of EVIL Sociopaths the Oil Corporations are.  Steven has been on this case (and WON IT UNANIMOUSLY but Chevron WON'T PAY!) for TWENTY YEARS! Now Big Oil is trying to destroy him. Criminal negligence, entrapment, extorsion, bribes and other dirty tricks 24/7 is THEIR MO. That's what they DO and have DONE for over 100 years. Spread the word. Tell everybody to sign in support of Steven at his web site. This man is truly a courageous man!



http://stevendonziger.com/about-steve/
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

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David Suzuki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wtUMM8SDws&feature=player_embedded
Jump past the Intro to the meat of the matter at 4:50  ;D

Dr. Suzuki's most precious title is that of being and Elder. He is a hard nosed scientist absolutely devoid of pollyannish, cornucopian willful blindness about the horrific ecological trajectory we are on. Nevertheless, he disagrees with colleagues like that fellow scientist at the "Nature Bats Last" blog. WHY? First of all because he IS PAINFULLY AWARE of the LIMITATIONS of HUMAN SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE. I.E. David tells those SO SURE that Thelma and Louise  have left the cliff that they are making exactly the same mistake, born of scientific arrogance (the "we know all there is syndrome"  ;) ) that was made with fossil fuels, DDT, Tetra-ethyl Lead, GMOs, Nuclear Power, ozone destroying CFCs in air conditioning and so on. Put simply, those who ARROGANTLY (see 30 positive feedback loops mean we all MUST BE DEAD SOON! ) believe it's OVER from the scientific data  available to them are just as arrogant as the ones who championed all those destructive inventions. The COMMON ground is HUMAN ARROGANCE.

David says it's time to GET IT that we STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND the BIOSPHERE. That means the precautionary principle IS NOT OPTIONAL. That precautionary principle applies BOTH to cornucopians AND doomers. What part of the absolute requirement for us to use biomimicry, not just as the gold standard, but as the indispensable requirement for Homo saps at our present state of INFANCY in biosphere knowledge, for any new technology to be applied in our crude civilization do people not understand?   

Do you really think an internal combustion engine is high technology compared with a muscle? How stupid, ignorant and absolutely arrogant can you be? Look at a car or a house and compare it with anything alive that moves or a sea shell. ONE sea shell lasts EASILY a thousand years! Our technology is CRAP! And that CRAP is celebrated like some amazing genius of invention when it is a "genius" for ****ting where we eat, NOTHING ELSE!

So, yeah, when we GET IT that we STILL DON'T REALLY GET IT, then we can use our growing understanding of nature to imitate it with closed loop processes like nature uses. Anything else is STUPID. David does not think we have passed the tipping point because, as bad as our impact has been, the damage is still remediable. The Caveat is that GEOENGINEERING will only make it worse.

Technology, the kind WE have invented, is PEANUTS (poisoned peanuts at that!) compared with the magnificently complex cascade of biochemical reactions that governs life on the is planet. 


The doomers believe we are killing the biosphere. I believe the biosphere will kill us long before we can destroy it. Repeat after me, WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH to ASSUME it is over.  We HAVE TO get off the "humans are be all, end all of inventive cleverness" BS and slavishly imitate nature whether we fully understand a process or not. 

David doesn't say anything about the biosphere killing us but he says PLENTY about our silly economic systems composed of Pollyanna wishful thinking greedball, willfull stupidity. We ARE NOT IN CONTROL, PERIOD. That is David's message.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NiauhOCfsk&feature=player_embedded

We need to GET OFF THE "we jus' gotta be in control" business and accept that we are PART of the biosphere, not the LORD of the biosphere! 
Until we REALLLY understand how this incredibly complex system ticks, we have to STAY within the boundaries set for us by the biosphere. 

David is big on evolution, something I disagree with, but his heart is in the right place because he understands it is NOT OPTIONAL to respect all life in order for us to survive and thrive. Humans who bow before the altar of arrogance representing human ingenuity are simultaneously unconcerned about destroying a forest here or a few acres of soil there with a mine or whatever because they are ignorant. I call it criminal negligence.
Damnant quodnon intelligunt

Yeah, things are bad. But I agree with David. It's not over. It's ARROGANT to be a doomer. The solution begins with HUMILITY and acceptance, especially by the scientific community, that we still are in our infancy as far as truly REAL FUNCTIONAL DURABLE TECHNOLOGY. That is the technology of biochemistry and closed loop recycling.

Can we do it? Sure! Will we do it? If human arrogance continues, no.   >:(

I'm rooting for humility.    Check out GNH, not GNP, as the most important goal humans should seek.



David was on Moyers recently. Link here:
Dr. David Suzuki Tells Bill Moyers Why It’s Time to Get Real on Climate Change
http://ecowatch.com/2014/05/11/david-suzuki-bill-moyers-climate-change/
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To all people who want a better tomorrow: 
Hi,
I just started a petition on Care2: Demand Liberty From Fossil Fuels Through 100% Renewable Energy WWII Style Effort. I'm hoping that if enough people sign my petition, we can make a difference. Right now I've got 66 signatures — will you help me collect more by adding your name?
Here's a link to the petition: http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ai3Tb
Thank you



We signed: Demand Liberty From Fossil Fuels Through 100% Renewable Energy WWII Style Effort


Ms. Elizabeth Nipper, MO
Jun 21, 13:06
# 66 
Mr. Howard Johnson, AZ
Jun 21, 10:16
# 65 
Mr. Porter Hedge, PA
Jun 21, 08:23
# 64 
Mr. sam scharff, WA
Jun 21, 07:55
# 63
this accords with ...the general welfare 
Mr. Paul Hof, Netherlands
Jun 20, 17:45
# 62
Mr. James Jorissen, CA
Jun 20, 17:20
# 61
Let's start yesterday.
Mr. Mike Farley, WI
Jun 20, 05:48
# 60
Name not displayed, WA
Jun 19, 22:51
# 59
Mr. Richard Stewart, LA
Jun 19, 19:52
# 58
Ms. GRACE NEFF, OR
Jun 19, 15:37
# 57
If only our leaders cared a little more about the future than their own pre it would help.
Ms. B W, VT
Jun 19, 14:39
# 56
Ms. Jane Wilson, NE
Jun 19, 14:13
# 55
Mrs. Gracie Winters, OK
Jun 19, 13:35
# 54
Ms. Laurie Thomas, KY
Jun 19, 11:22
# 53
There is no sufficient excuse, justification or reason for treating the earth with disrespect.
Ms. Charlotte Sines, CO
Jun 19, 10:54
# 52
Mrs. Mary Umowski, NJ
Jun 19, 07:45
# 51
Mr. Michael Hertel, WI
Jun 19, 07:30
# 50
Hi, I have a good idea to produce electrical energy from solar energy using what I want to call SPUDS Solar powered up draft slopes. Simple greenhouse roof holds in warm air which is allowed to travel up slope of mountain through turbines to produce electrical energy. If interested email me, mghertel (at) execpc.com I need lots of help with the design and funding however I am sure if built well it would show a good profit quickly.
Mr. Colin Maddock, New Zealand
Jun 19, 02:50
# 49
Mr. Steven Gaylord, CA
Jun 18, 12:51
# 48
Ms. Merideth Genin, NY
Jun 18, 09:27
# 47
Mr. Lanny Sinkin, TX
Jun 18, 08:46
# 46
Mr. don goger, CO
Jun 18, 08:32
# 45
Mr. bill nowak, NY
Jun 18, 05:57
# 44
Mr. georg van den Berg, United Kingdom
Jun 18, 03:54
# 43
Mr. Shawn Gray, TX
Jun 18, 01:50
# 42
I personally work as a energy broker (selling electricity in deregulated markets at discount in Texas) as well as offering residential service in same markets I offer both customers business and homes a choice of Green or Standard and try to push the green most times higher (not always 80+% of the time) and have been able to sell 15MW Green Vs 100MW Non in the last 5 years but thats up form 0 green five years ago.I also have sold 10 solar systems in DFW zero out of pocket to the owner and lower rates for 20 years www.gosolardfw.com (not just for dfw but most of the us) area this year.I believe green is the way to go (by the way i make the same or less on green energy sales)
Ms. Eileen Novak, NE
Jun 17, 16:40
# 41
Moving away from our nation's dependency on fossil fuels isn't a worthy cause, it's an imperative.
Ms. Lucille Brott, NE
Jun 17, 16:31
# 40
Mr. Jan Peterson, CO
Jun 17, 15:50
# 39
The longer we delay, the greater the pain will be for our children & grandchildren: we owe it to them to make this change happen quickly!
Ms. Madolyn Crumpton, TX
Jun 17, 10:57
# 38
Time is running out. Set aside power and profit for the few and do what is right for the rest of us.
Ms. Karen Ciesar, WI
Jun 17, 05:30
# 37
Mrs. Leana Whitlow, CA
Jun 16, 22:39
# 36
Ms. Sue Torreyson, CA
Jun 16, 20:39
# 35
Mrs. rosslyn dahlmann, VI
Jun 16, 20:21
# 34
Mr. John Wheeler, PA
Jun 16, 19:25
# 33
Mr. Ferdinand Puttinger, Austria
Jun 16, 18:29
# 32
Please Let`s be AWARE: At pre our AGE of exciting scientific discoveries is opening to us the unbelievable view on amazing interrelations between the complex appearances of whole evolution since big bang, from atomic properties to dimensions of boundless universe, but we HUMANS want to give preferences to commercial-driven short-dated and destructive influences, which will change eart`s face irreversible! This is an enormous SELFISH and self-inflicted behavior, because comming generations will never more have the chance to see the unharmed diversity of nature`s uniqueness. If we still prefer to be focused mainly on ongoing excessive economic track, we will always AGAIN come to the same frustrating conclusion that we don`t really move forward to future`s urgently needed solutions! AND It`s the most Appaling witness of Mankind`s incredible DULLNESS which appears as Paranoiac Schizophrenia Behavior of Everyone: We applaud loudly when sciences have found some indications of life in archaeological discoveries on other planets, but we Humans want to continue destroying stubbornly our wonderful multifarious & precious EARTH only for selfish whims of greedy & short dated economic interests. Why is sophisticated Mankind not able to interrupt this strange behavior by aid of Politics & Politicians? Politicians should not only promise to strive for enduring environmental CHANGE at each election. They should finally indeed implement effectively Measures for promised CHANGE! Comprehensive Technical Equipement for Global realisation of GREEN economics is already available at promising competitive Level. Therefore it`s time for CHANGE if Humans want to SURVIVE, because nature is reflecting already Human`s thoughtless behaviour in an unfavorable reaction to compensate our FATEFUL influence, what will limit the scope considerable for our greedy lifestyle and therefore also for economic`s generous revenues in near future! AND WHY is mankind not able to accept that he is only part of Evolution and Not it`s RULER? Up to now science has revealed unimaginable interrelations for deeper Insights into viewable and invisible kinds of Existences in whole Universe. Not only to get amazing Knowledge about these existences, but also to widen our cognition for being able to Perceive our Marginal Role in this Universe. We should learn to be DEVOTED into our marginal being in contrast to overwhelming and generous appearance of unique Universe. Being Thankful and Compassionate to all beings means to recognise our esial Relatedness to all forms of appearances in Universe, but specially to those of our precious Earth. And practising Devotion to our marginal being could make us really Great and being generous to all Nature`s Creatures. This devotion could change us to a New Mental existence, feeling Spiritual Kinship to nature`s beings, what is finally everything what Universe has created since its Big Bang. To be Honestly Thankful for all being`s existence let us feel Pure relationship to all Universe`s appearances and creates desire for treating them Carefully. Awareness of ient beings evolved in Dialog with Universe`s appearances and relies for its education into individual being`s Consciousness furthermore on esial Stimulus of ambient outside world. Therefore our relationship to all Universe`s appearances is evident. If we are tasting our being with all our precious Senses and being Thankful for this Great Gift, we really practise truthful Devotion and want no more longer ask ourselves how great is our role in the face of boundless Universe. This means being Aware of our Awareness and creates Loving Attitude. Such a mental attitude wants let also disappear borders of Religious Denominations. INDEED whole Humankind belongs to one and Universal Spirit of LOVE and COMPASSION, so Let us Be compassionate and give Love to all Nature`s Creatures. Or in other Words & More Clearly: We should Not let RULE our EGO, because Ego based Behavior cannot be satisfied and wants finally destroy its environment only for short moments of feeling Saturated! Thank you for your worthy Attention & Efforts. Kindest regards, AUSTRIA / Europe.
Ms. Grace Adams, CT
Jun 16, 13:14
# 31
We can destroy civilization with business as usual, or we can raise energy prices 70% to reduce demand by 25% and pay 25% of cost of energy to fossil fuel firms as Dane geld to get out of the way, or maybe we can raise energy prices 10% and demand that utilities yield return on investment to fossil fuel firms for the equipment bought with that 10% increase.
Name not displayed, CA
Jun 16, 12:11
# 30
It won't happen unless we make it happen and the consequences of no action are too dire.
Mrs. Brenda Lee, CA
Jun 16, 12:06
# 29
Mr. Keith Augusto, NV
Jun 16, 06:33
# 28
Name not displayed, AZ
Jun 16, 06:25
# 27
Name not displayed, MI
Jun 15, 23:18
# 26
Oil leaks endanger lives, filthy plants endanger lives. We can have clean air, clean water and soil with renewable, clean energy.
Mr. Edward Laurson, CO
Jun 15, 18:42
# 25
Name not displayed, CO
Jun 15, 16:31
# 24
Mrs. C. Batista, VT
Jun 15, 14:53
# 23
Don't you want the children to live in Healthy Climate? Please sign and pass it on so future generations have a chance to live in and thrive harmoniously in a Viable Biosphere. Thank you!
Mr. Dan Metzger, IL
Jun 15, 06:09
# 22
Let us begin. Let us agree.
Mr. Errol Isenberg, FL
Jun 15, 04:58
# 21
Most world leaders are encouraging their countries to produce more fossil-fuel based energy, not less. There is technology available now that would allow us, if the technology is scaled up, to produce most, if not all, of our needed energy from renewable sources. DO IT NOW!
Ms. Sallie Park, VA
Jun 14, 21:23
# 20
Dr. Jatinder Sehgal, AZ
Jun 14, 21:22
# 19
Mr. Bradford Woodbury Sr., IL
Jun 14, 13:57
# 18
Mr. Michael O'Brien, CO
Jun 14, 10:35
# 17
It is our one chance to stop the Global Terminal Extinction Event, if done soon enough.
Mr. Jesse Dellinger, PA
Jun 14, 03:32
# 16
https://movetoamend.org/ http://freespeechforpeople.org/node/527 http://termlimits.org/
Mr. John Cook, WA
Jun 13, 12:17
# 15
Although this may lead to furthering Agenda 21 I prefer to face that further down the road than doing nothing now!
Mr. Jim de Cordova, CA
Jun 13, 11:09
# 14
Mr. Timothy Havel, MA
Jun 13, 08:29
# 13
Ms. Sandra Speicher, CO
Jun 13, 06:36
# 12
Mr. PJ van Staden, South Africa
Jun 13, 03:44
# 11
Mr. David Ferraro, VA
Jun 13, 02:10
# 10
Absolutely necessary for the preservation of humankind. Expect scorched-earth opposition from the fossil fuel lobby.
Ms. Natasha Salgado, ON
Jun 13, 01:41
# 9
Mr. frank mcclain, CA
Jun 12, 23:20
# 8
I hear Sen Inhofe says the solutions to 'climate change' are "too costly". Never mind that continuing to burn fossil fuels is 'too stupid". When we humans start doing something because it is 'smart' instead of 'cheap', we may have a thriving planet to pass on to our great great grandchildren. As of now, it looks like they'll get a smoldering wreck. We can prevent this. Today is the day to change course. We can do this. We really can.
Ms. Mary Ch, ON
Jun 12, 09:35
# 7
Please watch shows "SOS Global Warming" on www.suprememastertv.com
Ms. Stacey Calvert, United Kingdom
Jun 12, 09:08
# 6
Mr. Joseph Wenzel, MN
Jun 12, 05:29
# 5
Ms. Kaileen Reynolds, TX
Jun 12, 04:00
# 4
Mr. Serdar Murat, Austria
Jun 12, 02:55
# 3
Mr. John Forbes, United Kingdom
Jun 11, 21:42
# 2
Name not displayed, VT 
Jun 11, 18:51
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He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

 

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