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Luther Martin: Representative for Maryland and dissenting Anti-Federalist. Was shocked at the attempt by the elite to overthrow the existing government in secret in 1787, and swore to tell the people what Washington, Madison and Hamilton were up to. The rich were terrified of the people screwed by Hamilton's bank bailouts and after Shay's Rebellion almost saw Philidelphia captured by angry citizens, they were ready to instal a police state.

Martin warned we were ill-advised to install a President King who would plot against the people in concert with the Senate: He said we were crazy to put men into a chamber for six year terms instead of the current one-year terms; men who would no longer be paid by their states and move away from their constituents to a corrupt political city, and who could not be recalled for any reason by their state for misbehavior. He said we were going to lose our freedom under the reintroduction of a hated standing army and that we would suffer under the despotism of a Supreme Court with no citizen jury.

He stormed out and refused to sign the Constitution without a Bill of Rights, and broke the convention's signed oath of secrecy that Mad-Man Madison made everyone sign before being admitted. Martin went straight to the press and warned the people not to ratify this powerful central government with a crazy central bank and insane electoral college scheme designed to strip citizens of any meaningful representation.

Before this abomination was ratified, there were 2,000 representatives for the people: One rep existed for about 300 citizens. The Constitution made it one rep per MINIMUM 30,000 to 60,000 but CONVENIENTLY DID NOT STATE A MAXIMUM POPULATION PER REP!

That apparently wasn't good enough for the oligarchs as our population grew. So, shortly after 1913 a cork was put on the maximum number of representatives. Please note that ALL new voting groups from women to minorities to Native Americans got the "right" to vote AFTER the cork was put on the maximum number of reps.
           
NOTE: The 14th Amendment right to vote for African Americans after the Civil War became a cruel farce by 1876. The elitist Supreme Court twisted the 14th Amendment to give Corporations personhood as a cruel and cynical vicious slap to the original intent of the 14th Amendment. Even as blacks where being disenfranchised, the courts were busy giving corporations extra privileges along with the license to break the law with impunity called limited liability.

Now, in most states, there is only one rep for 740,000 citizens, and virtually ZERO chance of you ever talking to one. >:( :P

Source: the Actual Anti-Federalist writings...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complete_Anti-Federalist

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Agelbert NOTE: As long as the Successful Persuaders are Ethical, the Populism will be real and for the good. OTHERWISE, the "Populism" will be Orwellian (see: Bernays and manufactured "consent". ).


The role of social media in the election of 2016 cannot be overstated. I think Scott Adams is on to something.

This is very perceptive, I think.

                   
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The Plot Thickens...

RE

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-05/lead-attorney-anti-clinton-dnc-fraud-case-mysteriously-found-dead

Lead Attorney In Anti-Clinton DNC Fraud Case Mysteriously Found Dead

by Tyler Durden
Aug 5, 2016 5:30 PM


Call it conspiracy theory, coincidence or just bad luck, but any time someone is in a position to bring down Hillary Clinton they wind up dead. In fact, as we noted previously, there’s a long history of Clinton-related body counts, with scores of people dying under mysterious circumstances. While Vince Foster remains the most infamous, the body count is starting to build ominously this election cycle - from the mysterious "crushing his own throat" death of a UN official to the latest death of an attorney who served the DNC with a fraud suit.

As GatewayPundit's Jim Hoft reports, on July 3, 2016, Shawn Lucas and filmmaker Ricardo Villaba served the DNC Services Corp. and Chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz at DNC’s headquarters in Washington, D.C., in the fraud class action suit against the Democrat Party on behalf of Bernie Sanders supporters (this was before Wikileaks released documents proving the DNC was working against the Sanders campaign during the 2016 primary).

Shawn Lucas was thrilled about serving the papers to the DNC before Independence Day...

Shawn Lucas was found dead this week...

According to Snopes Lucas was found dead on his bathroom floor.

    We contacted Lucas’ employer on 4 August 2016 to ask whether there was any truth to the rumor.

     

    According to an individual with whom we spoke at that company, Shawn Lucas died on 2 August 2016. The audibly and understandably shaken employee stated that interest in the circumstances of Lucas’ death had prompted a number of phone calls and other queries, but the company had not yet ascertained any details about Lucas’ cause of death and were unable to confirm anything more than the fact he had passed away.

     

    An unconfirmed report holds that Lucas was found lying on the bathroom floor by his girlfriend when she returned home on the evening of 2 August 2016. Paramedics responding to her 911 call found no signs of life.

*  *  *

This follows the death of 27 year-old Democratic staffer Seth Conrad Rich who was murdered in Washington DC on July 8. The killer or killers appear to have taken nothing from their victim, leaving behind his wallet, watch and phone.

Shortly after the killing, Redditors and social media users were pursuing a “lead” saying that Rich was en route to the FBI the morning of his murder, apparently intending to speak to special agents about an “ongoing court case” possibly involving the Clinton family.

So, to summarize, courtesy of Janet Tavakoli, the Clinton related body count so far this election cycle:  Five in just under six weeks - four convenient deaths plus one suicide...

    1) Shawn Lucas, Sanders supporter who served papers to DNC on the Fraud Case (DOD August 2, 2016)

     

    2) Victor Thorn, Clinton author (and Holocaust denier, probably the least credible on this list) shot himself in an apparent suicide. Conspiracy theorists at Mystery Writers of America said some guys will do anything to sell books. (DOD August, 2016)

     

    3) Seth Conrad Rich, Democratic staffer, aged 27, apparently on his way to speak to the FBI about a case possibly involving the Clintons. The D.C. murder was not a robbery. (DOD July 8, 2016)

     

    4) John Ashe, UN official who allegedly crushed his own throat while lifting weights, because he watched too many James Bond films and wanted to try the move where the bad guy tries to…oh, never mind. “He was scheduled to testify against the Clintons and the Democrat Party.” (DOD June 22, 2016)

     

    5) Mike Flynn, the Big Government Editor for Breitbart News. Mike Flynn’s final article was published the day he died, “Clinton Cash: Bill, Hillary Created Their Own Chinese Foundation in 2014.” (DOD June 23, 2016)

It must be coincidence, right?

If former Secret Service agent Gary Byrne is to be believed, this is business as usual for the Clintons. Excerpt via Zero Hedge:

    BYRNE: I feel so strongly that people need to know the real Hillary Clinton and how dangerous she is in her behavior. She is not a leader. She is not a leader.

     

    SEAN: She does not have the temperament?

     

    BYRNE: She doesn'’t have the temperament. She didn'’t have the temperament to handle the social office when she was First Lady, she does not have the temperament.

     

    SEAN: She’s dishonest.

     

    BYRNE: She’s dishonest, she habitually lies, anybody that can separate themselves from their politics and review her behavior over the past 15 years…



I don't call it a conspiracy theory; I call it par for the skullduggery mens rea modus operandi course for the elite bastards in US politics.   

Tyler isn't posting this because he is bothered about these murdering crooks and liars. He is posting it because he wants his Wall Street Darling Trump to win. Considering how bought and paid for Hitlery is, I think Tyler just wants Trump style massive racism on top of massive corruption TOO! 

Tyler is right about Hitlery. But he is one of the first people I would prosecute for pro-Wall Street propaganda and perpetual defense of polluting pigs and perpetual attacks on Renewable Energy.

PRISON is too good for Tyler and his s h i t throwing monkey pals from the empathy deficit disordered Wall Street crowd.


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Potty mouthed, Trailer Trash Trump is going to "make America great again" by making sure everybody knows the truth, the whole truth, and nuttin' but da trut (SEE BELOW ).


I wish to apologize to all readers for being so sure this engineered horse race for the two Selected candidates acceptable to the US Fascist Corporate Oligarchy would result in a Hitlery "win".  :-[

The presstitute propagandists did too good a job jacking up a pseudo populist. The white backlash from 8 years of an African American President, regardless of the fact that he did the bidding of elites, was too well stimulated by the manufacturers of consent. It's not real hard to get white folks riled up against the "librals" and minorities when their jobs are gone. Scapegoating is a presstitute propagandist specialty. The USA is, and always has been, thoroughly racist. Dog whistling the baser instincts of the electorate is easy to do, but hard to control once you have stirred up the previously controlled mob hatred for the other.   

The white folks that are frustrated by their lost jobs and gross corruption in our government had no choice. They were herded into a position to shoot themselves in the foot either way.

NOW, these people will feel appeased for about 6 months. Once whites hungering for decent jobs and the retirees that voted for pseudo-populist Trump realize that the cost of living calculations will be further watered down to irrelevance along with seeing no jobs returning, no wall being built between the USA and Mexico AND see absolutely no enforcement of the environmental quality laws or, worse yet, the outright elimination of them, all hell will break loose.

And it will NOT just break loose for minorities through more frequent police and whitey violence against them. Sure, the KKK will try to make a resurgence, But the  government does not like that. It costs money when too many racist loose cannons in the police and the populace are visiting "the other" with mayhem and murder. It's bad for business.

The government WILL THEN crack down on whitey. And whitey is not going to take it because Joe six pack whitey, who was dog whistled into voting for more pro-Wall Street job destruction, expected the gooberment to look the other way when the minorities are "put in their place" or run out of town. THEN whitey will wake up to the fact that he has been suckered AGAIN. Things will get REAL UGLY as soon as that realization sinks in.

The upside is that relations with Russia will temporarily be cordial. But considering pseudo-Christian Pence was Cheney's water boy, that will not last. Those who think Trump is not a business as usual fascist will be sorely disappointed. Have a nice day.
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There are the promises that wont happen, then there is a moral victory which I think is what GO is happy about.

1. Border Wall. Its a thousand miles or so? Im skeptical. Taxing Western Union or bank transfers to pay for some showcase construction for about a hundred miles of it,  yes.

2. Scrap NATO and other defense treaties. If only,  no chance the MIC willingly downsizes.

3. De escalate v russia and china. This is not up to him and his advisors chosen are not ghandi and john lennon. If there is a sane faction in the top brass, a slim chance.

4. Restore american manufacturing. If new factories are built they will be state of the art robotic and wages 10$ hr max for what workers are needed. This can happen effectively with 25$ hr after the USD loses reserve status.

5. Scrap NAFTA and TPP. Those forces are bigger than him and he would need to convince the mega corps he can keep up their bottom line,  not much chance.

6. Drain the swamp. I so hope so, the revelations from the emails in the last few days are so disgusting Im just glad I dont have to see and hear hillary for four years, because with the satanism and child trafficking, it would really break my stride and make me lose my mojo. Lock em all up, pursue and prosecute every last conflict of interest if u do nothing else. That would actually MAGA.

7. Vindication of free speech vs PC gone crazy. Not a policy but a turning of the tide. They are still in control but have suffered a loss of legitimacy, just look at the media already burning their uniforms. Universities will start upholding free speech or losing the smart students. The govt will keep hiring indoctrinated drones until their budgets are cut and they are forced to produce results, if it ever happens.

8. I still dont trust the Donald, am sure he is full of **** and says whatever he thinks will get votes. Like looking at a gear inside a wind up watch,  you cant tell if it is driving or being driven. His hairstyle, spraytan, and me me / I I I instead of us / we, are nothing like "presidential". It put me off but bothers me less now. I preferred Ben Carlson or Bernie to the Donalds con artistry, but Killary made him look like a choir boy.

9. I was dissapointed the bernie bros didnt do anything about him getting shafted out of the presidency, but they obviously bided their time and got their revenge today.

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I figure the Donald's first executive order will be to legalize meth for the people who voted for him.

GOOD ONE!  :emthup:

His team might come up with a (electronic only - mailing stuff costs money, ya know) graphic sent to his base showing an equal sign between his loyal supporters and, uh, see, below:



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If GO is happy about this (S)election, he will soon be very disappointed. 

Your analysis of my feelings and future outlook of our situation are as accurate as your totally wrong analysis of the election Agelbert, which was presented with your usual manner of factual pseudo scientific BS material.

One with half a brain would realize that a religious Gold Bug zealot and Lite Doomer are not the makeup of a happy camper.

My only satisfaction comes from the end of the **** Clintons.

Don't come **** on me again AG, my future responses will not be so kind nor generous in my understanding of your anger at being conned by the Leftist MSM and their total Bull **** Propaganda that you swallowed hook line and sinker.

Kindly vent your anger at them in the future, not me.
       

 
                                                       
                                                   

My, my, what vitriol. All I said as that I believe you will sorely be disappointed. Please feel free to describe exactly what part of what I posted was "BS". I was disagreeing with you, not attacking you. I am not angry at you.  If you are not happy about a Trump win, all you need to do is say so. There is no need for such overt hostility.

I urge you to calm down. You are a good man that wants the best for the USA. So do I. Peace, brother
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Sorry Agelbert. This election has angered the geezer and made him very testy.

Never have I witnessed so many mediocre evil people in a horrible never ending cacophony of lies and skullduggery. Realizing they are actually the countries leaders has made it all the worse for me.  I feel as if I expired and am in Hell of late.

A thousand apologies for misreading your posting.

Will take your splendid advice and stop posting for a while until I recover my cool.                                     Regards, GO



Thank you, sir. Times are hard and we are all distressed by the increasing number of cracks in the road of our lives when we are increasingly in need of less misfortunes.  The picture below is a metaphor of this (S)election.


Personally, I am not so much angered by the (s)election results, as saddened by them. Besides the Trailer Trash Trump thing, we've got a Governor in Vermont now that is going to make life very difficult for wind and solar Renewable energy growth by vowing to VETO ANY RE subsidies while ADDING lots of Republican red tape baloney for RE project site approval and Organic agriculture while simultaneously working diligently to protect fossil fuel subsidies and other pollution product vested interests along with GMO crops and commercial pesticide use on Vermont farms. As if that wasn't enough grief, the white supremacists here are VERY happy with the new governor.

Here's a map from 2015 showing the racist demographic in the USA. Compare it with the map of Trailer Trash Trump's wins. I may be wrong, but I thing that corroboration and causation are linked.


The most racist areas in the United States



This lady, although she does not reference any map, sees the link too:
White Supremacy wins—for now.  

By Denise Oliver Velez   

Wednesday Nov 09, 2016 ·  3:40 AM EST

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KKK cross burning (graphic at article link)
attribution: Confederate till Death - English Wikipedia 

Time to wake up, you white people of good faith.

Look in the mirror.

See Amerikkka for what it is without the gloss.

See something black folks have been trying to tell you.

It’s not “populism” or “economic anxiety.”

Call it by name — White Supremacy.

I thought the black and brown firewall, with a little help from our white friends would hold back the tide.

I was wrong. My bad.

Thanksgiving is coming.  A time many of you gather with friends and family.

Killing racism starts at home.

Maybe it’s time for you to start speaking up and fighting back.

Lord knows we black folks have been doin’ it for centuries.

My people survived slavery and Jim Crow.

We’ll survive Donald Trump too — though I’m sure there will be deaths — there always are.

America has a white supremacy problem.

You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution.

Choose.

P.S. I ain’t leaving. The bones of my enslaved ancestors are buried here. They helped build this place with blood, sweat, tears, and laughter.  I’ll fight on.  In their name.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/09/1594035/-White-Supremacy-wins-for-now
 

I'm not leaving either. The only way I leave Vermont and my keyboard is feet first. Thanks again for your cordial apology and reply.
 
God Bless you and yours.  

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The Founding Fathers of the USA did NOT believe in democracy. And the so-called "Representative Republic" they founded ONLY REPRESENTED LESS THAN 10% of the population. IOW, the UPPER CLASS was the only cohort being REPRESENTED.

That is called an OLIGARCHY.

And then it just got MORE oligarchical. 


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Alexander Hamilton QUOTES

Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy  , but in moderate governments 

The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of God; and, however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed, it is not true to fact. The people are turbulent and changing, they seldom judge or determine right. 

Power over a man's subsistence is power over his will.

To all general purposes
we have uniformly been one people, each individual citizen everywhere enjoying the same national rights, privileges, and protection.  

It's not tyranny we  desire; it's a just  ;), limited, federal government.        

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Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.  There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.  John Adams

Agelbert NOTE: If you haven't figured it out the code language about the word "people" and the word "we", let me spell it out for you. The phrase "We the People" in the hallowed documents of the founding of the USA had NOTHING to do with the "PEOPLE" mentioned in the above quotes about democracy and it's allegedly self destructive "extremes". The word "WE" is defined as the CITIZENS, a tiny subset of the "people", NOT the "turbulent" subset of the "people". These fellows knew how to spin a yarn, didn't they?

Also, the alleged "certain" cause of the "failing" of democracies is an interesting point of selective lack of knowledge among these Founding Fathers back then.

The fact is that the common historical CAUSE of the downfall of any attempt by we-the-people on earth, in any country, to institute a democratic form of government back then, and to this day, is NOT what the Founding Fathers were crying crocodile tears about. THAT IS, democracies DON'T "commit suicide", unless you want to call it SUICIDE BY oligarchy COP! 


Consequently, there is only one thing to be said for much of the erudite, polished, stirring, colorful, heart string pulling, loyalty inducing, patriotic oligarchy self serving prose by the Founding Fathers then, and most people that claim the USA is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people today (SEE BELOW).

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