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APR 20, 2019 OPINION | TD ORIGINALS

By Maj. Danny Sjursen, a U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point.

 
Agelbert COMMENT: Danny, I, like you, went to West Point. Unlike you, I hated it so much I deliberately flunked out in my Plebe year by getting a "D" in Calculus (math was my favorite subject in High School 😉). I was lucky. You swallowed the "Corp of Cadets", "Duty, Honor, Country" Sucker play completely. I am glad that you now see how totally you were taken for a fool by the MIC.

 But here is what you are TOTALLY missing in regard to the "tragic" number of American deaths in Viet Nam.

The USMA Class of 68', the one I was part of when I arrived at West Point in July of 1964, was the LARGEST USMA CLASS (around 900 plus) in history. The previous classes had barely been above 600! Yeah, a certain percentage leaves over 4 years for various reasons (i.e. flunking or being "found" or "honor violations"), but I am talking about the initial Plebe class size.

WHY do you think that class was so large, Major? You DO know that West Point class sizes are determined over a YEAR in advance, don't you? That's right, Major. In 1963, the MIC was planning for a GIGANTIC WAR IN VIET NAM. But it gets "better".

Now then, you DO understand what a "MAM" is, don't you? For readers here, it is Military Aged Male. The USA, due to the baby boom, had LOTS of us MAMs. MAMS are a "potential unrest problem" for MIC controlled governments that wish to avoid being threatened by their own people, aren't they, Major. The first thing you do to keep a country "pacified" is bop the MAMs, as any military murderous killer strategist will calmly explain to Army Officers to be.

.It is NOT just Viet Nam that our MIC bastards wanted to "pacify"...

The 😈 MIC plans AHEAD. The MIC deliberately made that Class of 68 gigantic by previous standards because it was PLANNING AHEAD to make sure. LOTS OF MAMS FROM THE USA DIED ☠️ IN A CONTRIVED WAR which would massively expand 🦍 MIC size (and budget!) and its power to profit off of war and dead MAMS 👹💵🎩🏴‍ (on both sides - over 60% of those 4 MILLION people we slaughtered in Viet Nam were MAMs) .   

IOW, the MIC WANTED TO sacrifice LOTS of American MAM lives, but not just for war profits. WHAT OTHER REASON DID THEY HAVE FOR SENTENCING AMERICANS TO COMBAT DEATH? As any fine fellow well versed in MIC spawned Game Theory will tell you, to keep the new generation from making too much noise about creeping tyranny and government fascist policies here.

It worked, Major. DO NOT tell me the humongous class of 68' wasn't part of the plan to have a long bloody, very profitable war in Viet Nam. IT WAS A TWO-FER to make money and kill potentially "dangerous" (to the MIC) MAMS at the same time! 🤬 😱

If you think the death of 58,000 or so Americans was a "tragic" effect of the Viet Nam War, you know less than nothing about how the MIC works in the USA and how it PLANS AHEAD. Those deaths were, along with the massively increade MIC budget SWAG, a SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME OF THE MIC VIET NAM WAR PLAN.

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Agelbert NOTE: This is the syllabus for Daniel Sheehan's UCSC course titled "The Trajectory of Justice in America: 2019". It covers a series of heinous events in American History that you may have never heard about, but which you need to know about, particulary now (this is not an idle academic exercise - your life and that of your offspring depend on obtaining this knowledge and using it effectively).

You will learn of the mindboggling level of corruption in U.S. government that consistently causes it to plan, execute and defend totally undemocratic, unethical, polluting and murderous policies that now threaten our very survival as a species. This is not hyperbole.

It may come as a surprise for you, but this 5 credit hour course makes the case that the MAIN reason that Donald Trump must be impeached AND removed from the White House is his ecocidal, polluter defending policies.

The Democrats are not given any praise here either. Hillary Clinton's policy plans for dealing with climate change were, like Obama's, in the right direction, but still inadequate to avoid Catastrophic Climate Change.

The syllabus has lots of links. I didn't copy them. Just go to the link at the bottom of this page for complete access.



The Trajectory of Justice in America: 2019
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THE INDIGENOUS UPRISING AT STANDING ROCK; GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE & THE POTENTIAL UPCOMING IMPEACHMENT OF DONALD TRUMP IN A PROGRESSIVE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE

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This course is a 5 credit spring quarter class providing undergraduate and graduate students the opportunity to become experts on the specifics of the science and U.S. politics of climate change, the ongoing process of the potential impeachment of Donald J. Trump, and the Standing Rock Movement against the Dakota Access pipeline, with special emphasis on the role of private military security company Tiger Swan and the legal defense of former congressional candidate and Standing Rock tribal member Chase Iron Eyes.

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WEEK 1: COURSE OVERVIEW
WEEK 2: CLIMATE SCIENCE
WEEK 3: CLIMATE POLITICS
WEEK 4: THE POTENTIAL IMPEACHMENT OF DONALD TRUMP
WEEK 5: THE CONTEXT FOR THE POTENTIAL IMPEACHMENT OF DONALD TRUMP
WEEK 6: NON-IMPEACHMENT PRECEDENTS
WEEK 7 : STANDING ROCK AS A MICROCOSM OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE DEBATE
WEEK 8: STANDING ROCK AS A MICROCOSM OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE DEBATE CONT’D.
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The TRUE CRIMES behind Watergate, Iran Contra AND Trump/Russia

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Annie Jacobsen, "Operation Paperclip"
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Author Annie Jacobsen presents a fascinating topic from her new book, Operation Paperclip, and takes questions from the audience. This event was recorded February 26, 2014 at Politics & Prose bookstore in Washington, D.C.

Founded by Carla Cohen and Barbara Meade in 1984, Politics & Prose Bookstore is Washington, D.C.'s premier independent bookstore and cultural hub, a gathering place for people interested in reading and discussing books. Politics & Prose offers superior service, unusual book choices, and a haven for book lovers in the store and online. Visit them on the web at http://www.politics-prose.com/

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Agelbert NOTE: The USSR was NOT a threat. It was NEVER a threat to the USA. The "USSR threat" stated rationale to bring these NAZI bastards into the USA was CIA FASCIST BULLSHIT.
And so, the United States of America continued its path to our present Fascism. 

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Agelbert NOTE: YEARS (right after February 3, 1943) before Operation Paperclip, Fascist Wall Street REPUBLICANS in the US Army OSS began to prepare to fight the Russians (as soon as WWII ended) by immediately beginning to help THOUSANDS of NAZI WAR CRIMNALS, with the fervent aid of the Lucky Luciano Mafia and the Catholic Church, to escape to South America so said NAZIs could COMPLETELY avoid being tried for war crimes.

Franklin D. Roosevelt made a HUGE mistake (these were the SAME elite Wall Street bastards that had plotted to install Fascism in the USA after FDR was elected) in letting them into the OSS to "rehabilitate themselves with wartime service" after they were caught red handed STILL funding German corporations AFTER the U.S. was at war with Germany! THEY are the ones that targeted Russian Socialism as soon as it was clear that Russia was going to beat Germany. THEY are the ones that formed the core of the CIA. THEY were the ones that, with Truman's full approval, went around the U.S. Congress to use over one Trillion :o dollars worth of recovered treasure the Japanese had hidden to FINANCE closet FASCIST politicians in post war Europe against the heroic Partisans (who had fought the Nazis during the European occupation), in order to keep Socialism from taking hold in Europe. That treasure SHOULD have been used to lower our national debt. Most of Europe would have gone Socialist, and the world would be a much better place now, if the "Anderson Trust" had not been illegally created. Truman and his Department of War fascist handlers committed TREASON to help fascism grow in Europe AND in the USA.

Now you know the truth. That is, the Republican Party has ALWAYS been a FASCIST FRONT!

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Agelbert additional NOTE: Here's a tiny, somewhat sanitized by the CIA, of course, SNIPPET that you should read to Learn more about U.S. Fascist enabling STUPIDITY. The claim that these NAZIs were recruited,"in part" to help in the "Cold War" is baloney. The ONLY reason they were recruited, as early as 1943, was to fight Russian Socialism in a "Cold War" that was PLANNED at that time BY the people that would later form the CIA. The Russians had no intention whatsoever of starting a "Cold War". The Fascists 'R' US planned for said "Cold War", and certainly knew it was coming because, OF COURSE, THEY WERE GOING TO START IT with their POS toady, Truman! As far as I am concerned, the American OSS (and later CIA) individuals who helped these NAZI War Criminals escape ALSO lacked, as all Wall Streeters lack, the kind of moral and political compass that would have helped them recognize the nature of an AMERICAN NAZI regime and prevented them from working for it:

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A substantial number of the second-tier individuals studied here, however, committed serious crimes on behalf of the Nazi regime. In the immediate postwar period most of them received light punishment or no punishment at all. Part of the reason was that American and western intelligence agencies considered them useful assets in the Cold War. The fact that the Soviet Union also used former Nazi officials to spy against the West does not justify the West's protection of actual or suspected war criminals.

Emil Augsburg's case was not an extreme one in this group. Augsburg had substantive information about Soviet intelligence activities and spoke fluent Russian and Polish. After first being hired by CIC, he became an important player in two other postwar Western intelligence organizations in spite of concerns that he had carried out war crimes and that he might be vulnerable to Soviet pressure or recruitment because of Soviet knowledge of his wartime activities. The irony was that in seeking effective intelligence assets against the Soviet Union and settling upon men such as Augsburg, the CIC, the CIA, and the Gehlen organization made the West more vulnerable to Soviet espionage.

All these individuals lacked the kind of moral and political compass that would have helped them recognize the nature of the Nazi regime and prevented them from working for it. Not surprisingly, some of them also made dubious moral and political choices in the postwar period.

LONG article by By Dr. Richard Breitman, Professor of History, American University, IWG Director of Historical Research:


Records of the Central Intelligence Agency (RG 263)


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All 💵🎩 Honorable  Men

COPYRIGHT 1950, BY JAMES STEWART MARTIN

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In this book I have tried to tell the story of an important problem and some of the things that happened when we tried to deal with it. Though many of the events occurred in Germany, before and during the military occupation, they seemed in an increasing degree to be echoes of something more fundamental that was happening back in the United States. For whatever reason, the larger pattern is a repetition of what followed after World War I; but the pace has been quicker, as though greater powers were moving more rapidly toward a more catastrophic result.


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THE day I started to write this we discovered termites in the basement. We were preparing to build a wing on our old house and found a colony of them in the heavy timbers.

Termites are able organizers, and thoroughly attached to their way of life. The area they occupy is small in relation to the house (just the heavy underpinnings). They object vigorously to outside interference from the people who live in the other parts of the house. They object especially to structural changes, which they are bound to consider unwarranted.

They have two good reasons for objecting to changes. In the first place exposure to light and air kills them. In the second place any movement of the underpinnings ruins the whole structure of tunnels and channels which their enterprise has built within the framework of the house.

We hated to disturb them. They looked busy and enterprising. They seemed to want nothing more than a comfortable existence in accordance with their way of life.

We cleared the termites out to save the house, but I think I know how they looked at the whole matter. At the end of the Second World War I spent two and a half years in Germany dealing with some people who must think pretty much the same way.

SNIPPET 3:
We were becoming a little ashamed of having farm "surpluses" and industrial "overproduction" in one part of the world while people starved and did without things in other parts.

The tremendous wartime production in our own country^ outstripping all estimates, had itself been an eye opener. Why not have full production and full employment in peacetime, too? We were beginning to have some feeling for the idea that economic restrictions, depression, and war are not unrelated.

Francis Biddle's demand for curbs on the big German financial and industrial combines was not ignored. The Financial Branch of SHAEF, General Eisenhower*s headquarters in Europe, asked for help in planning the necessary steps. They were preparing to investigate the concentration of economic power in Germany. They wanted to discover how the German leaders were smuggling great fortunes abroad to provide a future base of operations after the coming military defeat. ... ... It was going to be our job to uncover records, and to find and talk to the German masterminds who had laid their plans for turning military defeat into economic victory. We had to find out what they had done and how they had done it. ... ... Whatever their story might be, we had to know how such men came to have power and what forces determined the use they made of it.

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During the German occupation of the neighboring countries they had had new opportunities to strengthen their hold. Even before we left the United States it took no powers of divination to realize that German finance and industry would have made the most of these opportunities to set up new vested interests in hands that would appear to be French, or Dutch, or Belgian, or Italian. We could expect to be greeted by these "allied" defenders of the Nazi economic New Order, who would resist our countermeasures by wailing that they had already "suffered" under the Germans.

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How were we going to fare when we ran up against real demonstrations of German economic power and ingenuity, where the opposition to change would be a lot more formidable because it would be carefully engineered? The answer was not long in coming.

We settled down out of the sky over England into a fog-covered beehive called Bushy Park, headquarters for the future military  government of Germany, then known as the U.S. Group Control Council. ... ... Our special team was assigned to work in the Finance Division with Captain Norbert A. Bogdan, a charming fellow who had been a vice president of the J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation, a firm in whose files the Nazi banking affiliations were still warm when the United States went to war.



Agelbert NOTE: I will continue providing snippets in subsequent posts as I read this book. Aleady I have been flabbergasted by the fact that U.S. ship and factory reinsurers, AFTER we were at war with Nazi Germany, through Switzerland and South America on to Germany, were notified of when ANY U.S. was to leave port AND what cargo it had, providing the German submarines off our coast a "to sink" list! 

And all those factories making war stuff with lots of guards posted to keep Nazi spies from knowing what was going on there? Well, anyone could, and did, without any security clearance whatsoevah, buy "required reinsurance document copies" for pennies which included detailed descriptions of factories and their contents including, in the case of magnesium processing plants, what valve coulld not be closed because that would "cause an explosion". All this info was required by reinsurers. ANYBODY could access all this stuff, right down to where the fire extinguishers were in the White House! In spite of this OBVIOUS security threat, getting our own government to order American corporations to STOP sending this info to Germany took several MONTHS! 

You don't believe me? I just READ IT in this book! Read it yourself! 

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We proposed to have the Attorney General send a letter to each company warning that transmission of marine and industrial plant information of this type came within the scope of the Espionage Act.

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In the end the letter was sent out, nearly a year and a half after the leakage had first been brought to the attention of an agency of the government, and over four months after we in the Economic Warfare Section had taken up the case and pointed out what uses the Germans could be making of the information.

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Agelbert NOTE: Continued from the previous post in this topic thread.


COPYRIGHT 1950, BY JAMES STEWART MARTIN

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The struggle over the Ruhr had brought the first rnajor breakdown of Allied policy in 1923 when Britain and the United States refused to back up the French occupation of the valley; and ten years later the financiers and industrialists of that area had boosted Hitler into the driver's seat. ...

... Most Germans who meant anything in German industry or politics after World War I considered it an act of patriotism to evade the terms of the Versailles Treaty. In fact, in the years after Versailles, the German courts would entertain prosecutions for the crime of high treason against any German citizen who concerned himself with the execution of the Treaty "in such a way that a foreign power was advised of infractions."

Clearly, the Germans themselves would expect to be supervised and watched. It would be a point of 😈 honor, as well as self-interest, to defy detection, and to camouflage or conceal their intentions.

From our discoveries during three years with the Economic Warfare Section, we had already narrowed down the list of Germans who carried the major responsibility for what had happened. The list was impressively small; for somewhere among a group of not more than a hundred men were those who had done the lion's share of the planning and had carried out the world-wide negotiations that made the economic preparations for war a success.

Still, even a list of a hundred important individuals, controlling sixty or seventy of the biggest companies, was too large for pinpoint investigation by our small crew- Were there some five or ten or twelve men among these who stood head and shoulders above the others either in knowledge or in degree of responsibility for the German efforts?

Perhaps the records of the International Steel Cartel at Luxembourg would furnish clues to help us concentrate our attention first on a few individuals and a few companies in Germany. ...

... Quite by accident, our team arrived on a Saturday, and simultaneously with a visit by General Eisenhower. The officials of the steel cartel somehow gained the impression that General Eisenhower's visit had been made especially to lend additional high-level sanction to the visit of the Department of Justice officials attached to SHAEF.

Hector Dieudonne, secretary of the cartel, and the other top cartel officials, who were heading for the country over the week end, told Eric Conrot, the office manager, to "give every assistance" to the gentlemen from SHAEF. M. Conrot unexpectedly took the instructions quite literally. ;D He opened up all the filing cabinets in the office of the cartel and invited the gentlemen from SHAEF to make themselves at home for the entire week end. They did. 🧐

It is not hard to imagine the hair-pulling among the top officials when they returned Monday morning. They found an extremely weary and sleepless investigative crew sitting among a mass of folders from which an index had been compiled of close to four thousand documents. The investigators expressed their gratitude and said they would very much like permission to make photostats of the four thousand documents.

With a great deal of grinding of teeth and scarcely restrained mutterings at M. Conrot's misunderstanding of diplomatic language, they finally gave their consent, but not without making a protest that their hospitality had in some way been abused by what amounted to "police" methods. ...

... M. Aloyse Meyer, managing director of the Arbed steel combine, returned quietly to the city of Luxembourg from Germany. He had left when the Germans left, but came back with the explanation that he had been kidnaped.

The official attitude was that Meyer had become a hero by keeping his firm intact during the war and thereby preventing the removal of Luxembourg workers from the local steel plants to Germany for work in the German plants. Some officials even alleged that the Arbed management had arranged to slow down production and thereby sabotage the German war effort, but the comparative figures for Arbed and the other two Luxembourg firms did not bear this out.

What the Luxembourgers chose to do with Aloyse Meyer did not change what was on the papers in the files of the steel cartel. It was not necessary to wait for photostats of all the thousands of documents to realize that we now had an enlarged picture from which to work.

Here was something that had gone beyond mere German resistance to the occupation measures of the Allied powers after World War 1. It was a concrete example of how leading German manufacturers had gone about the job of recapturing control over industries and markets and making Germany the "industrial hub of Europe."

This was not resistance, but a counterattack that included enlisting the help of industrialists in other countries. Here again the step-by-step history threw some light on what had happened, but at the same time raised questions about why the otherss let the Germans get what they wanted.

The mid-twenties were remarkable for German industrial combination. They marked the formation of the United Steel Works in Germany, as a combination of the four biggest steel producers, Ernst Poensgen, Fritz Thyssen, Otto Wolff, and the others who drew this combine together had managed to get over a hundred million dollars from private investors in the United States. ...

... The loans which the bigger operators got from Britain and the United States to put them on their feet after the inflation also enabled them to pay prices far above the market values to buy out troublesome competing firms. In effect, the foreign loans and German government subsidies allowed the leading companies, such as United Steel Works, Mannesmann, Krupp, Good Hope and Rochling, to substitute private regulation and elimination of competition for the technical efficiency they had lost when their plants in Alsace and Lorraine went back to French control after 1918. ...

... The Nazi Economic Ministry later gave due recognition to Dr. Poensgen for his services to the German iron and steel industry through his organization of the national and international steel cartels. ...

... All members agreed that in foreign markets they would not undersell each other but would undersell any nonmember in order to drive him out of the market.


Agelbert NOTE: As this excellent book makes clear, the demonization of some "other", though intrinsic to the fascist MO, is merely a peripheral part of the core 'business model', which is Monopoly Capitalism through Cartelization of absolutely every product that human society requires. The point is to eliminate all 'pesky' competition. That is what sanctions are all about. When sanctions do not accomplish the competition crushing  purpose, then war is next. The storm trooper racist crazies are part of the divide and counqer distraction to keep people from realizing they are being screwed 24/7 by a worldwide fascist oligarchy.

As this book explains, fascist efforts to achieve worldwide Monopoly Capitalism through Cartelization, interrupted by WWII, continued after WWII by those who aided the rise of Hitler. Shortly before WWII ended, these fascists moved huge fortunes out of Germany to various places on the planet, including the United States, for the express purpose of resurrecting the fascist 'business model' wherever they could.

These industrialists are true believers in using the local government to do whatever on their behalf, going back generations BEFORE the word "Fascism" ever existed. This book brings you up to 1950. As bad as the fascist infiltration of the United States and Europe was by 1950, it got much worse after that.

However, the continued value of this book is that it exposes the, mostly surreptitious, step by step procedure that fascists methodically engage in to exploit and enslave we-the-people. Their Mens rea modus operandi has not changed in any way from 1950 to the present.
Trump is their creature.

They targeted Europe after WWII and, with the help of the CIA (which controlled the trillion dollar Anderson "Trust" through the treason of Truman), succeeded in crushing Socialism there, and eventually here. Socialsm is an obstacle to Monopoly Capitalism through Cartelization, so fascists will always do whatever to "eliminate" said obstacle.

The point is to eliminate all 'pesky' competition. That is what sanctions are all about. When sanctions do not accomplish the competition crushing  purpose, then war is next. The storm trooper racist crazies are part of the divide and counqer distraction to keep people from realizing they are being screwed 24/7 by a worldwide fascist oligarchy.

Unfortunately, because it is is too nuanced/complicated, too few people grasp the brutal reality stated above.

Fascists like Trump count on public's lack of introspection. Hitler and Trump are birds of a feather.


I challenge you to find any difference between Hitler's mindset in the following quotes and that of Trump:

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“If you win, you need not have to explain...If you lose, you should not be there to explain!”― Adolf Hitler

“Do not compare yourself to others. If you do so, you are insulting yourself.”― Adolf Hitler

“I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.” ― Adolf Hitler

“The victor will never be asked if he told the truth.” ― Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Letters and Notes

“The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.” ― Adolf Hitler


“The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence.”― Adolf Hitler

To be continued:
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Agelbert NOTE: Continued from the previous post on this book.


COPYRIGHT 1950, BY JAMES STEWART MARTIN


Agelbert NOTE: As this excellent book makes clear, the demonization of some "other", though intrinsic to the fascist MO, is merely a peripheral part of the core 'business model', which is Monopoly Capitalism through Cartelization of absolutely every product that human society requires. The point is to eliminate all 'pesky' competition. That is what sanctions are all about. When sanctions do not accomplish the competition crushing  purpose, then war is next. The storm trooper racist crazies are part of the divide and counqer distraction to keep people from realizing they are being screwed 24/7 by a worldwide fascist oligarchy.

As this book explains, fascist efforts to achieve worldwide Monopoly Capitalism through Cartelization, interrupted by WWII, continued after WWII by those who aided the rise of Hitler. Shortly before WWII ended, these fascists moved huge fortunes out of Germany to various places on the planet, including the United States, for the express purpose of resurrecting the fascist 'business model' wherever they could.

These industrialists are true believers in using the local government to do whatever on their behalf, going back generations BEFORE the word "Fascism" ever existed. This book brings you up to 1950. As bad as the fascist infiltration of the United States and Europe was by 1950, it got much worse after that.

However, the continued value of this book is that it exposes the, mostly surreptitious, step by step procedure that fascists methodically engage in to exploit and enslave we-the-people. Their Mens rea modus operandi has not changed in any way from 1950 to the present.
Trump is their creature.

They targeted Europe after WWII and, with the help of the CIA (which controlled the trillion dollar Anderson "Trust" through the treason of Truman), succeeded in crushing Socialism there, and eventually here. Socialsm is an obstacle to Monopoly Capitalism through Cartelization, so fascists will always do whatever to "eliminate" said obstacle.

The point is to eliminate all 'pesky' competition. That is what sanctions are all about. When sanctions do not accomplish the competition crushing  purpose, then war is next. The storm trooper racist crazies are part of the divide and counqer distraction to keep people from realizing they are being screwed 24/7 by a worldwide fascist oligarchy.

Unfortunately, because it is is too nuanced/complicated, too few people grasp the brutal reality stated above.

SNIPPETS:

Aloyse Meyer     

For years Aloyse Meyer, as head of Arbed, had been a director of Arbed's subsidiary in Germany, the large Felten & Guilleaume cable works. Working with M. Meyer, and serving as chairman of the board of directors of Felten & Guilleaume, was Baron Kurt von Schroder, Hitler's banker. As far as we were concerned, the line from M. Meyer and Arbed and the International Steel Cartel to von Schroder s private bank at Cologne could have been as thin as a filament of spider's web. We were looking for the spider.

Baron Kurt von Schroder

The Schroder family of Hamburg, into which Baron Kurt von Schroder was born in November 1889, had been 🎩bankers for generations. In a preceding generation, Baron Johann Heinrich von Schroder had moved to London, adopted the anglicized name, J. Henry Schroder, and developed an extensive business financing overseas trade, especially with Latin America.

Baron Johann Heinrich von Schroder  J. Henry Schroder (German no more but a loyal British Subject )

Another member of the family, Baron Bruno von Schroder, Kurt's cousin, born in Hamburg in 1867, moved to London early in life but retained his German citizenship until 1914 when he became a British subject.

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21 FEBRUARY 2019 Bruno Schroder, who has died aged 86, was the billionaire proprietor of the investment bank that bore his family name, but devoted most of his life to the gentle pursuit of other interests , including the welfare of his Hebridean sporting estate. Schroder was a great-great-grandson of Johann Heinrich Schröder, who arrived in London from his native Hamburg, aged 17, in 1802.

Baron Bruno headed the banking firms J. Henry Schroder & Company of London, and the J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation of New York until his death in 1940,  when he was succeeded by his son, Helmuth W. B. Schroder, the present head.

There appeared to be  ;) no community of ownership between the Stein Bank of Cologne and the Schroder Banks of London and New York, though the two groups acted as correspondent banks for one another and participated jointly in so many deals that what the Germans call an Interessen Gemeinsckaft, or community of interests , existed between them.

The pattern for this parallel action had been laid in 1914 when the British closed down German banks in London, but allowed the Schroder firm, headed by "British subjects," to operate through the war. ...

... Among the number of threads that had made us decide to pay a call on Baron Kurt von Schroder and his bank had been an argument back in England, at Bushy Park, when we were planning our itinerary. I have already mentioned that for a time we were assigned to work in the Finance Division of General Wickersham's headquarters with Captain Norbert A. Bogdan, vice president of the J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation of New York. Captain Bogdan had argued vigorously against investigation o£ the Stein Bank on the ground that it was "small potatoes.' We should concentrate our efforts on bigger targets, such as the Deutsche Bank and the Commerz Bank. To waste time on small-scale private banks would discredit our investigations.

We had noted, however, that the day after this outburst two of the permanent members of Captain Bogdan's staff requested military travel orders to Cologne to investigate the Stein Bank. This was an unusual application. Since Cologne had not yet fallen, it was tantamount to a request to accompany the Forces immediately behind the combat units. The Intelligence Division blocked that one.

Another thread had been the business collaboration of many years standing between Baron Kurt von Schroder and a very good friend of Franz von Papen, Gerhardt A. Westrick. Dr. Westrick was a prominent German lawyer and a member of the law partnership of Albert & Westrick. ...

... Legal work on the Schroder Bank loans was always handled in Germany by the firm of Albert & Westrick, and in the United States by Sullivan & Cromwell, the firm headed by John Foster Dulles.

John Foster Dulles

But to return to Gerhardt Westrick: in April 1940, this fraternity brother had come to the United States ostensibly as a commercial counselor to the German Embassy, but actually on a direct assignment as personal representative of the Nazi Foreign Minister, von Ribbentrop. His mission was to attempt to convince American business leaders that they would gain by a Hitler victory, and to persuade them to help in keeping the United States out of the war. ...

Gerhardt A. Westrick

... The American press congratulated itself on having made Westrick 's propaganda mission an ignominious failure. But as we looked into the transactions of Baron von Schroder and Dr. Westrick, we wondered. There were many questions we would have liked to ask Baron von Schroder had he been home that April evening in 1945, but it was not until two months later that another of our men, Robert West, formerly of the White House detail of the Secret Service, tracked him down. Von Schroder was found in a detention camp for SS prisoners in France, masquerading in the battle fatigue dress of an SS corporal.

Some of the records began to make sense, even without Baron von Schroder. Several bundles were the detailed ledgers of deposits into the special account labeled "Sonderkonto S". What struck us first was the all-star cast which made up this list of depositors. Of the forty or fifty names which turned up regularly in the pages, running all the way back to 1933, we recognized about twenty immediately as well-known directors of the biggest German industrial firms in the fields of coal, iron and steel, machinery, chemicals, electrical equipment, transport, and electric power. In the galaxy of corporations deahng with the Stein Bank, this list of individuals might not have seemed unusual except for two things: the regularity of the deposits in this joint account, and the close relation between decreases in the account and the Himmlier letters asking for money.

This one account, we learned by putting Uttle pieces of evidence together, covered only the running expenses of Himmler's SS, and perhaps some of the Gestapo; but if one special account had the letter "S" it was a fair guess that somewhere, in the Stein Bank or elsewhere, there could be other special accounts "A" or "B" or "Y" or "Z." The arrangement was simplicity itself. At a wink or a nod from someone — in this case we later found it was Wilhelm Keppler of the Nazis' "Hermann Goring'' steel combine — the contributors would quietly make deposits into the special account at the bank. When the leader of the party formation — in this case Himmler — wanted money, he asked for it; and it was drawn against the same account. No muss, no fuss, no "Nazi" connections for the contributors.
...

... We hoped to find some of the living contributors to "Sonderkonto S" and dig further into the reasons why they considered it  'good business' to make these donations.

In particular, I wanted to interview Baron von Schnitzler again. In his villa near Frankfurt two weeks before von Schnitzler had looked every inch a baron, from his black homburg, velvet collar, and gray spats, to the young and beautiful baroness on his arm. One would never have guessed that von Schnitzler was a criminal, one of the financial mainstays of the Nazi regime, and a mastermind of the I. G. Farben foreign organization. When Frankfurt fell on the twenty-seventh and twenty-eighth of March, 1945, von Schnitzler was living, comfortable and unperturbed, in his villa not many miles outside the city. His manner was that of the master of the house greeting the fire department. He was affable, urbane, but kept the firemen in their place. He offered brandy, and then withdrew it in deference to the non-fraternization order. His manner managed to imply that the non fraternization idea was an immature gesture typical of a certain kind of American. The war had not touched Baron von Schnitzler and, to hear him tell it, he had not touched the war. It was a case of live and let live. ...

... Now that we had the records of his deposits into "Senderkonto S", I wanted to get him back for a longer talk.

When we had him brought to our field office in the Reichsbank building at Frankfurt for questioning, Baron von Schnitzler denied having had anything to do with Hitler or the Nazi Party. They were beneath him. He was a businessman and his factories had produced things which the Nazis needed; but they had come to him. Certainly he had never contributed in any way to their activities. He had deliberately avoided knowing anything at all about "government" business done by the firm. That was handled by other directors.

Baron von Schnitzler was thoroughly at ease throughout the several hours of our questioning. We warned him repeatedly of the stiff penalties for making false statements. But he talked on persuasively and smoothly, in perfect English. The records of "Sonderkonto S" seemed miles and ages away as the Baron talked.

Perhaps he did not know the records had been found and he was bluffing or lying. But actually in his own mind he need not have seen any inconsistency between his pose as an "unpolitical" businessman who did not want to know about "government" business — poison gas , slave labor, Auschwitz ☠️ and all that and his record of steady contributions of at least forty thousand dollars a year to "Sonderkonto S." In his own way he was speaking of a world in which one makes the necessary contributions to ''causes" without feeling personally involved at all.

That is not to say that the Baron was unaware of how his behavior might be interpreted by those of us who did not belong to his fraternity. All through our conversations, both at his villa and in the Reichsbank building, the interrogators had been anonymous. The German intelligence service had had most American government officials bracketed in preparation for the occupation; but they needed to know who was coming in order to know what records to hide first.

We never addressed one another by name or gave any hint of the reason for our interest in the Baron's business. To put him at ease I pretended at the first interview that I had never heard of the I.G. Farben firm nor of von Schnitzler.

At the outset I asked him what he did for a living. When he said he was a director of I.G. Farbenindustrie, I asked him what that was. He said it was a company. What did the company do, make shoes, ships, textiles? It was a chemical firm, he stated; a very large chemical firm.

As the questions rolled along, all of a police-blotter variety implying a profound ignorance on our part, von Schnitzler sat back with a bland and contented look, arching his eyebrows and leveling a hawklike gaze along his Roman nose as though it were the barrel of a fowling piece. He lied like a trooper through it all.

Toward the end of the second interview, however, von Schnitzler tried to find out who we were; and one of our men made the mistake of calling me by name. For just one instant the Baron's eyes registered a quick appraisal. He then carefully and deliberately recrossed his legs, shifted his gloves from one hand to the other, and asked if I was satisfied that all his replies had been truthful and complete.

When I told him merely that if we wanted anything further he would hear from us, he persisted for several minutes asking in various ways if we did not want him to "clarify" any of his answers. Later we found in his files copies of published testimony on I.G. Farben that several of us had presented to a Senate committee in 1944, with our names underlined in green ink.

Von Schnitzler did not appear particularly surprised when at the end of the interview he was taken to jail, charged with making false statements to military government officers, and later held for trial as an industrial war criminal. He was among those convicted in 1948 and sentenced to twelve years for profiting from the war and for being responsible for abuse of foreign workers.   >:(

He and all the other industrialists tried with him were acquitted, however, of complicity in starting the war; because the court held that they had not had advance knowledge of Hitler's specific plans for military aggression.

These men had started a chain of events whose inevitable outcome was ☠️ war. But in the eyes of the law, as the 🐵🙉🙊American judges 😈 construed it, only those who had forged the last link could be guilty of a crime.


The old Frankfurt had been almost leveled to the ground, while the I.G. Farben office building, one of the largest in the world, stood untouched. The handsome cathedral where kings of the Holy Roman Empire had been crowned, the little inns with their carvings and paintings, and the hundreds of other weathered and mellowed reminders of Germany's old life in the times before Bismarck, Hohenzollern, and Hitler, all had suffered the tortures of the damned.

But the Nazi edifice of the New Order, literally a giant filing cabinet loaded with hundreds of tons of papers and records of the Farben empire, remained whole.

To be continued.

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The American Republican Party is run by descendents and still surviving home-grown AmeroNazis who put Hitler into power in the first place--and enabled the 3rd Reichsters to escape. Standard Oil Frank A. Howard was a member in good standing of these AmeroNazis.

😈 Frank A. Howard of the 🦖 Standard Oil (NJ) Company

Continued from previous posts on this book:

All 💵🎩 Honorable  Men

COPYRIGHT 1950, BY JAMES STEWART MARTIN

SNIPPET:

The papers we picked up indicated that Mr. Frank A. Howard of the Standard Oil group and Dr. Ringer of I.G. Farben had met in the last week of September 1939, at The Hague. They prepared a document that became known as the "Hague Memorandum." This document appeared on its face to be an agreement under which I.G. Farben sold to Standard Oil of New Jersey various patents and shares of stock. Actually the two men also prepared a separate agreement, kept secret, under which I.G. Farben retained the right to cancel the transfer and get its properties back as soon as it was safe to do so. Mr. Howard did not even keep a copy of this agreement. He signed the original and the carbon copy on behalf of Standard Oil and handed both copies to Dr. Ringer, who took them back to Frankfurt.

The Standard Oil case might very well have had a happy ending for the fraternity brothers if the suit had been filed in 1947.

Even by 1946 it was to become very difficult for United States government representatives to get facts from German files. It was not long before we had to show cause why we should be permitted to prowl about among the business papers of reputable German concerns.

By 1947 investigations which the Germans considered troublesome would appear doubly objectionable to American businessmen acting as military government officials in Bizonia. Investigations that might disclose embarrassing transactions between American and German companies were called a "waste of taxpayers' money."

Also, troubling busy German industrialists with unfriendly questions would tend to "interfere with German recovery" and might arouse ''antagonism."
In the end we were caught between  businessmen representing private interests and 😈 others of the same persuasion holding official positions, where they had power to change the orders under which we operated. 👎

But for a brief period in 1945 matters were not so well under control. True, we found a number of members of the 😈 international brotherhood, commissioned as colonels and brigadier generals in the occupation Army, moving about rather freely in the field on matters of their own concern; but by the same token it was also possible for representatives of the government to get around freely as we all did in the Standard Oil case.

The documents needed by the government to establish the falsity of the Standard Oil claim were finally shipped by air back to the United States, along with Dr. von Knieriem as a government witness. Dr. von Knieriem, who had supervised Ringer's work, had annotated his own copy of the secret Hague Memorandum with comments showing its true intent. One of these phrases alone should have been enough. It was a marginal note, "Nach Kriegs Kamouflage" (postwar camouflage).

Not only was this case unusual in that enough trained manpower was available, for once, to track down the evidence, and that conditions permitting full investigation happened to prevail, but because the Federal Courts in dealing with the evidence used unusually strong language to describe what the fraternity brothers had done. 👍

The following examples from the opinion of the Circuit Court of Appeals may illustrate:

The negotiators prepared the so-called Hague Memorandum which was neither an accurate summary of the past dealings of their companies, nor complete and faithful representation of the agreements made at the Hague. ...

The real agreement which was made by Mr. Howard and Dr. Ringer and which was later ratified by their principals can be gleaned only after a scrutiny of many documents and the oral testimony of Mr. Howard. ...

The Court found that these were sham transactions designed to create an appearance of Jersey ownership of property interests which nevertheless continued to be regarded by the parties as I.G. Farben owned. The parties intended that after completion of the war and the resulting disappearance of the danger of United States Government controls the property would be formally returned to I.G. and the pre-war relationship resumed. ...

On the witness stand,  Howard, testifying concerning the Hague Conference, was, in the opinion of the Court, not a credible witness.

In effect the courts held that the Standard Oil Company had tried to put across a misrepresentation in order to protect an outpost for I.G. Farben.

Whereas President Roosevelt had referred to the use made of the I.G. Farben trust by the Nazis, and had insisted on the "eradication of these weapons of economic warfare," Standard Oil, in the middle of the war against the Nazi state, had invoked the aid of the Federal Courts to defeat the measures of the United States. 


Frank A. Howard was not prosecuted for perjury. The District Court and Circuit Court of Appeals merely declared he was not a "credible witness." The Supreme Court did no more than sustain the action of the lower courts in upsetting the sham transactions and letting the Alien Property Custodian keep the patents and stock. Mr. Howard retired gracefully in 1945, full of honors 😇, as vice president of 🦖 Standard Oil Company of New Jersey, having retired the previous year from his other position as president of the 🦕 Standard Oil Development Company

This arrangement between Standard and Farben was only one of many conspiracies between German business leaders and their counterparts in the United States and Britain to help in keeping alive bridgeheads for future ''economic warfare."


At the time we discovered them it would have been hard to forget the other side of the coin: that these same German organizations — I.G. Farben, Krupp, Flick, Mannesmann, Siemens & Halske, and a few dozen more — had shown their less gentlemanly and more brutal side in the slave camps and murder factories, and in the looting of occupied Europe, all by "legal" means under Nazi laws.

Before the press carried pictures of the murder camps at Belsen and Auschwitz and the records of I.G. Farben's poison gas experiments on slave laborers, It might have been possible to concede that some American businessmen connived at preserving these organizations for the postwar period without knowing the awful truth. We hoped that the record after 1945 would not reveal any conniving in the revival of similar types of "industrial" organizations, or any reliance on the same men to guide Germany's economic recovery.

To be continued:

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Now you know why the Republican Party has ALWAYS championed "subsidies" for the Rockefeller 🦕🦖 Hydrocarbon Hellspawn; they are 👹 FASCIST Birds of a feather.

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The Life and Crimes of George Herbert Walker Bush (w/ Lamar Waldron)
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This one is a new one for me. I am no fan of George H. W. Bush, but I am shocked to learn that the Mossad planned a False Flag assassination of Bush (to be pinned on Palestinians). This is a VERY informative video that exposes the fundamental SIN committted by the founding fathers of the USA, as stated by Pete McCloskey, a Republican :o that went against the Viet Nam War as a Congressman. Republicans like that no longer exist in the American Fascist Paradise. :(

Pete McCloskey Speaks: Korean War Hero Tells TruNews the Truth About Israel Lobby in USA
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The 1619 Project: A Nation Born in Contradiction, a Democracy Defined by Black Struggle
August 21, 2019

Nikole Hannah-Jones 👍👍👍, who spearheaded the New York Times' 1619 Project joins The Real News Network to look at the lies that founded the U.S. and how Black America has given life to American ideal


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MARC STEINER Welcome to The Real News. I’m Marc Steiner. Great to have you with us.

Nikole Hannah-Jones has written one of the most profoundly moving and deeply thoughtful analytical stories that I have read in a very long time. The article is entitled, “Our Democracy’s Founding Ideals Were False When They Were Written. Black Americans Have Fought to Make Them True.” It was written for The New York Times series on 1619, which in itself is shockingly important and powerful. And I say that because it was good to see the Times publish this series, and in part because they and we should understand, hundreds of years of struggle for black freedom— that was for all of our freedoms— is what allowed the Times to step up as it should have, and we all should.

What Nikole Hannah-Jones has written is testimony, affirming that while our democracy is at once a unique institution than inspired the world, it was from the beginning built on a lie. It was racked with contradictions. And the struggle for democracy, freedom, liberty, equality, have been defined by the black struggle for freedom that continues to this day. Nikole Hannah-Jones is a 2017 MacArthur Fellow that has won a Peabody, a National Magazine Award, and the George Polk Award. Nikole Hannah-Jones, welcome to The Real News. Good to have you with us.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES Thanks so much for having me.

MARC STEINER I should have mentioned, today August the 20th is 400 years to the day that the first Africans were brought enslaved to the English colonies, to what is now the United States. Let’s just begin with beginning of how you started this story, which I thought was really interesting, that you as a child growing up in Iowa, your dad flying the flag that you felt wasn’t ours, yours. Share that story because I think it’s a good way to start this.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES Sure. When I was a child, I was a pretty deeply ambivalent about my role in this country, whether this was a country that I could claim as my own. I understood that black people hadn’t been treated as full citizens. I’d seen that even in my own father’s life and the lives of my family members. And the fact that my father, who was a military veteran, would fly this flag in our front yard every day was embarrassing to me. I didn’t really understand his patriotism.

It seemed to me that—I didn’t understand why a man who came from a people who had been treated so poorly in this country would be so patriotic about that country. It seemed, in my child’s mind, in my teenage mind, as just a sign of his degradation, that he had kind of accepted our subordination as a people. And the piece, which is really about our larger democracy, also kind of culminates in me understanding that our experience in this country has made us some of the most American of all Americans, and that our special role as the perfecters of this democracy means that we have as much or more right to claim that flag as anyone.

MARC STEINER To share a very short story. This is – what it made me think of is a dear friend of mine whose name is Sean Ware, who’s a Kiowa man and lives in Wyoming. We were driving one day and he saw an American flag on the ground in the snow, muddy and dirty. He told me – he made me turn around the car and pick it up. I said, “What? Pick it up. What do you mean, pick it up? After what this country has done to your people, you want me pick up the flag?” So, we went around and picked up the flag and he said, “Yeah, because we fought for this flag. Too many of us died under this flag. We’re the ones who are making this country whole.” Then I read your article, and it made me think of that story immediately. It’s the same dynamic.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES Yes. I mean, this is what we’re really trying to do with the 1619 Project, is reframe the way that this country has seen black Americans, but also reframe the way that black Americans have seen ourselves. We so long—I mean, going all the way back to the first group of 20 to 30 landed in Virginia, going back to the Constitution which codified slavery, going back to the civil rights struggle, going back to Dred Scott when the Supreme court ruled that black people, no matter whether they were enslaved or free, could not be citizens of the land of their birth. We have been told that this is not really our country, that we are not full citizens.

What this project is arguing is that black Americans have played an indelible role in making the ideals of the Constitution true. And that because of that, because of the often bloody fight that black Americans have waged— not just serving in every single war that this country has fought abroad, but also waging a battle against our own countrymen to be recognized as citizens—that we have as much democracy as this nation has, is because black Americans have fought for it. And because of that, yes, we should absolutely embrace that flag and embrace our patriotism because as the piece argues, in many ways, black Americans are as much the founding fathers of this country as Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.

MARC STEINER Even more so than that, the way you describe your thesis in this in part is that African Americans are one of the one true cultures that came out of this country. That to me—I mean, the way you frame that is so profound, I think, because it’s not how people think. It’s either tell us stories about your relationship to the mother continent in Africa, or—But to get the sense that the reason we’re defined who we are is a large part because of the black struggle for freedom in this country.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES That’s right. So when you look at the fact that black Americans are the only group of people in this country who were forced to be here, did not choose to immigrate here, were stolen from their own countries and forced to come to the United States, and then once we got here, we went through this process that was called severing. Or excuse me, seasoning. Seasoning was an attempt to sever people from Africa, from their religions, from their names, from their cultures, from any of the practices that they could have brought with them.

And so, what I argue is in that process, black Americans in many ways because we have to become one people out of all of these different ethnic groups, out of all of these different nations, we become one people in America. We have to create a new culture on these lands because unlike European immigrants who could send home for family members, who could send home for their favorite food that they missed or bring cultural artifacts across the ocean, unlike Indigenous people who had their sovereign lands here, who still were able to hold onto parts of their culture, black people were not allowed to do any of that.

We had to sneak and hide whatever parts of our culture we held onto and really create a new people here. So what I’m arguing is that this unique experience of black Americans ended up creating what is the true American culture. And by that, I don’t mean to disparage Native people. I’m not talking about the true culture on the land that was America, but I’m talking about within the actual country of America that we were created anew.

MARC STEINER Well, you write about the idea that American culture is in large black culture, and we also deny that in many ways. Now, I’m going to come to that, but let me take another direction first and then come right back to that. I mean, you write about Reconstruction and the hope and promise of the 1860s and 70s, and then the imposition of terror on black folks and the struggle for freedom that took place to fight for this democracy. And I think about that historical moment, and we can talk about that, but as I was reading it, you also think about— at least I also think about— the 60s and 70s of the 20th century and the same struggle to fight for freedom, and the same pushback that happened in the 1870s is happening to us again.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES Absolutely.

MARC STEINER You wrote a beautiful historical piece and so put that together for where you think that – what that means for us now in 2019, 400 years later.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES So, it’s interesting we learn very little about slavery and we learn even less about the period of Reconstruction. And that which we’re taught about Reconstruction was that Reconstruction was a failure, but that also serves our mythology. If we believe that after the Civil War when we tried for this brief 12 years to actually create a multiracial democracy and that that failed, then we can be forgiven for the fact that we quickly moved on from that effort and re-instituted a quasi-slavery for black folks for the next 100 years.

I really call what we consider the Civil Rights Movement as a second civil rights movement because all of the rights that black Americans were dying for in the 1940s and 50s and 60s, were rights that they had earned right after the end of the Civil War. You know, the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause. Well, the 1964 Civil Rights Act is trying to reaffirm those rights. The Voting Rights Act is trying to reaffirm the rights of the 15th Amendment that black people had already won. And the 1968 Fair Housing Act is trying to reaffirm the rights of the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which barred discrimination in housing.

I think it’s just this perfect kind of summation of how these battles for full citizenship, these battles to actually make this country a true democracy, are never really won, that we are constantly having to fight against them. I think we could look at what follows the election of the first black president, and who we then as a country send to the White House, is just another example of how we make forward progress, then there is an extreme white backlash, and then we have to re-fight these battles again. So the good thing is, black folks have consistently proven that they are up to the task, that throughout history again and again, black people have been willing to put their bodies on the line, to risk their lives and often give their lives to make our founding ideals true.

What I tried to make very clear in the piece is that black Americans have never only fought just for the rights of black people. That is, the rights struggles of black Americans have paved the way for all other rights struggles. When you see the laws being passed in the 1960s because of black resistance, they’re not only ending discrimination against black Americans, but they end up ending discrimination based on gender, based on nationality, based on religion, based on country of origin.

MARC STEINER And all of that. I mean, when you write about something that very few people know about, which is that in the 1860s during Reconstruction – 1870s, I mean, in Reconstruction, that what we cherish in this country as our public school system, came out of black men in the legislature, running the government, creating public schools for everybody. I mean, poor white and black folks. That’s something that we never talk about and never acknowledge.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES Absolutely. There was really no public school system outside of North Carolina in the South prior to Reconstruction. What you find is one of the – there’s two institutions that formerly enslaved people build as soon as they get emancipation: churches and schools. Schools are so important because of course, black Americans are the only people in the history of our country for whom it was illegal to read and write. They begin to push for common publicly funded schools, so that it didn’t matter if you have money or not, you would get an education.

And when they did this, when you see formerly enslaved people going into the legislatures and taking the spots of their former enslavers, they don’t just push for their own rights, they help establish public schools to serve poor white children who are also left out of an education. Because in the South at that time, the only people who were getting an education where children of the white elite, and they were going to private schools. So these schools serve all children. And you see for the first time, not only large numbers of black children getting an education in the South, but large numbers of white children. But as you said, this is also a story that’s been largely written out of our national memory.

MARC STEINER I thought that was a really important thing to really explore, that you explored for us in this piece. Let me jump to culture before we have to conclude and come back to one last question here. When you write about the speech and fashion, and I think your words were, “We were here longer than we were free. Our speech and fashion and the drum of our music echoes Africa, but it’s not African. Out of our unique isolation, both our native cultures and for white America, we forged the nation’s most significant original culture. In turn, ‘mainstream society’ has coveted our style, our slang, our song, seeking to appropriate the one truly American culture.” I think that’s a really important statement. Let’s talk a bit about the profound nature of African American culture, what it’s done for this entire nation, and why we are so blind to it as well.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES This also comes from this idea of American universalism, and it began really at our founding, that you could come here and if you were white, no matter where you came from, you would lose the old ways and kind of just blend into this bland Americanism. But black Americans were excluded from that because black Americans were considered unassimilable. Because of that, we held on and created certain aspects of culture.

So I write in the piece, when you hear quintessential American music, it’s a black voice that you hear. When you think about American fashion, it’s the style of black Americans that we develop out of slavery when we are trying to exert our individuality in opposition to a system that tried to erase all of our individuality. These are the quintessential American culture, and that white Americans, because of this desire to have this universalism, are really grasping for the culture. And so, you often see it being appropriated, but black people being demeaned for many of the same practices.

MARC STEINER Yeah. I wonder, when you write— very quickly— you write about the end of Reconstruction with Rutherford B. Hayes taking over the presidency, and the beginning of terror against the black world throughout the South especially, but across the country. A lot of people would ask the question, are we here again? We have to really look at our history, as you did it for us in the article, and think about what does that say about this moment and what we have to guard against, and what we have to understand about where we cannot let ourselves go.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES Absolutely. That’s why I say anti-black racism, xenophobia, is in the very DNA of our country. We have to constantly fight against what is almost natural to us. And so, we have to guard against that, and we guard against that in one way, by understanding our history and understanding that if we are not careful, we can quickly spiral back to where things—We would never go back to where things were—

MARC STEINER Let’s hope.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES but we can certainly spiral back to where we don’t want to be as Americans. I think one of the reasons that this project has garnered so much interest is we are seeing a rise in white nationalism, we are seeing a period – at least for a while, I would never think that white nationalism and white racism went away, but you couldn’t publicly talk about it. It wasn’t something you could publicly express. I think the fact that we’re seeing this coming back out into the open. We’re seeing it more explicit again. We’re seeing this type of a racist, anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-black rhetoric being propagated. People want understanding. They want to see how did we get here again, and I think this project really provides that basis of knowledge that people are looking for.

MARC STEINER Well, Nikole Hannah-Jones, I appreciate you taking the time. I know you’re very busy, and I want to say that this last weekend I spent with three of my oldest friends and we talked a great deal about this series. I would encourage everyone to really wrestle with the series that came out in the Times. It’s really an amazing piece of work that was done here. I want to thank you all for doing it and thank you for being here today.

NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES Thank you so much for having me.

MARC STEINER My pleasure. I’m Marc Steiner here for The Real News Network. Thank you all for joining us. Take care.

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