Renewable Revolution

Communism wasn't a negative buzzword here before the war. It all changed in about '47.  The exact circumstances of how that changed are of interest to me. I think it was the deliberate work of people like the Dulles brothers and Wild Bill Donovan, the guys who gave us the real Deep State.

In spite of Palloy's assertions that the story is well understood in "other countries", I don't really think that's true, beyond the superficial stuff.

There was a conspiracy at the highest levels. It involved lots of people who probably went to their graves with secrets they never told. Now we'll never know.

I thought it was interesting that Trump backed off on declassifying all the JFK files. There are threads there that somebody might unravel.

Yeah the one group its okay for any American to hate is the communists. We learned that sh it. When the Soviet Union fell, it left a big gap in our "hated enemy" category. So lucky we found al Quaeda and ISIS  before it was too late.

I totally disagree that Communism was not a negative "buzzword" before WWII. You are right about the history after 1947. You are wrong about it before. I know that history well. Palloy's views have nothing to do with my extensive knowledge of American History, sir.

We had troops in Russia after the Communist Revolution. They were not there to provide good will. There is a lot more. If you want chapter and verse about Hoover's activities, I will dig them up. If you want to know what went down right around the the turn of the century (19th to 20th) that was RABIDLY anti-Socialist in this country, I'll dig it up. Remember the "anarchists"? They just wanted to get paid properly for their labor. Their polices were socialist to the core. They were demonized and crushed because they saw through the Capitalist bullshit. The "bombings" attributed to the anarchists was part of that demonization. The real violence was that of our government against them!

Hoover was very busy in the early 20th century MANUFACTURING the First Red Scare on behalf Capitalists who DID NOT want to pay people fair wages. It's too long to quote here, but I learned much about Hoover's skullduggery from reading about Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., who is famous for all his principled dissents on the Child Labor and Capitalist Cruelty defending Supreme Court (1902-1932). That is NOT taught in American History courses, even in college. You've got to DIG to find the truth. And that truth is the US Government (spare me the FDR talk. He could just barely control the Capitalist Crazies) AND the police were, and still are, anti-Communist/Socialist to the core!

Here are some quotes that somewhat address the issue:

Capitalist Propaganda BEFORE Bernays!

The First Red Scare was a period during the early 20th-century history of the United States marked by a widespread fear of Bolshevism and anarchism, due to real and imagined events; real events included those such as the Russian Revolution and anarchist bombings. At its height in 1919–1920, concerns over the effects of radical political agitation in American society and the alleged spread of communism and anarchism in the American labor movement fueled a general sense of concern .

Now just WHO 💵 🎩do you think was "concerned", if not the Capitalist Business Community🐉🦕 🦖 that OWNED Hoover?

J. Edgar Hoover, then director of the FBI, was an ardent anti-communist whose influence had perpetuated the first Red Scare. 
 Hoover and his investigators used espionage tactics of their own to locate potential communists, including wiretaps, surveillance, and infiltrating leftist organizations. The efficiency of the FBI was critical in many high-profile cases.

The following exercise in US Propaganda happy talk totally conveniently misses the FACT that many Americans believed all this hysterical scaremongering because they were lied to about the "Communist threat" by our government, which manufactured it out of thin air.

There WAS NO Communist threat in regard to WAR. The REVERSE was true. Russia wanted to work with us avoid an arms race and nuclear proliferation. Truman knew that and did not give a rat's ass about it. Yeah, there was money to be made by our Capitalist MIC pretending Russia was gonna git us. But, that was just a BAU benefit of our mens rea modus operandi.

The actual rationale behind BOTH Red Scares was that Socialism threatens Greed Based Capiitalist BAU and therefore must be demonized, period. If you believe otherwise, I must vigorously disagree with you.

Second Red Scare

The Second Red Scare (1947-1957) was a fear-driven phenomenon brought on by the growing power of communist countries in the wake of the Second World War, particularly the Soviet Union. Many in the U.S. feared that the Soviet Union and its allies were planning to forcefully spread communism around the globe, overthrowing both democratic and capitalist institutions as it went. With the Soviet Union occupying much of Eastern and Central Europe, many in the U.S. perceived their fears of communist expansionism as confirmed. The U.S. also feared that communist agents had infiltrated the federal government. A massive witch hunt to root out communist sympathizers ensued.
http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Second_Red_Scare