Renewable Revolution

Like I said, this forum is free. I have no intention of paying.  I was simply explaining how it works for you.

I am doing a bit of research on poodwaddle to frame what we can both agree is reality. This addresses your rather condescending view that I don't have the full picture. Perhaps you are right. I will try to convince you otherwise with data.

And Alan, I want you to re-read the post you just made. We have barely started the debate and already you are maneuvering to assign a degree of ignorance and overreaction to negative news to me (see: biting apples deeply). 

I am your peer in knowledge and experience. I respect your knowledge and I demand that you reciprocate. Perhaps you don't pick up on the fact that you can sound quite patronizing.

But you can. You just did. I think you are a good hearted person too. But that isn't the issue here. And my firm belief in altruistic behavior does not equate to sky is falling silliness. We can get into a shouting match about me being an alarmist and you being a wishful thinker. That isn't going to help, Alan.

I know the story you're are sticking to. I think that is clear. Let's not belabor that, okay? 

MY definition of extinction is that insufficient breeding pairs are available to perpetuate the gene pool, even if a passenger pigeon or two are still around.

If you happen to be one of those passenger pigeons, I don't think you would commit suicide. Neither would I.

But if you cannot take the possibility of human extinction seriously, the debate is over before it started.

Consider this a game of chess. We've got lots of time. Before we discuss solutions. let's see if we can DEFINE what's going on out there and why.

That's why I'm researching at poodwaddle. Government stats on this, that and the other might be a bit gamed, but that's all we have to go on. AGAIN, if you don't find them credible, we cannot debate.

If I had to give you a date when no human will exist if our present trajectory is not RADICALLY altered for the better, I'd say 2250. I expect the average temperature increase in the atmosphere will be from 6 degrees C to 8 degrees C above what it is now. If you think that is impossibly alarmist, that's cool. I will get to why that's pretty much baked in (pardon the pun  ).

I am going to get into a lot of numbers soon. If you think I'm going to slant them to make things look shi tty, tell me now and I won't waste my time.

You think you can assume your position is impregnable. What is your evidence?

Tell me about all the bioremediation you have witnessed in China. Years ago you posted about all the greening they were involved with. Did you ADD their efforts to your positive view of our future? Probably. That's good. Did you SUBTRACT the degradation of China's biomes from your equation? I hope so. Show me proof that China is more biologically diverse now than it was a mere 30 years ago.

I don't think it is. I think I can prove it isn't. I'm sticking with China now because you know a lot about China. I do too. And I know quite a bit about the other giant polluter called the USA (with Europe not far behind). I'll get to them later.

You first. Spell out the biosphere math of China for me please. Your optimism must have some basis. If it does, I'll alter my position. If it doesn't I expect you to alter yours.