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Author Topic: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Procrastination  (Read 6233 times)

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AGelbert

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Note: This forum is free. They punish me for that.  :(

They want me to pay for the Pro version so searches work right, gallery picture searches work, quotes aren't screwy, and I control what words that get censored and what words don't get censored.

I control none of that.  I'm stuck with things the way they are. I may be a Christian but I'm not prissy about language.  ;D The censor is weird here, You can write the word "bastard" but you can't write **** or **** (sh it or pi ss).
 
So, if you want the word " Fuc ked" to show, you have to put a space somewhere to get by big brother.  ;)

By the way, the "R" in the  FUBAR acronym stands for "Recognition", not "REPAIR", as you stated in caps.

I dare say that is difference with a distinction.  ;)

You might say I am arguing that all hope is lost, so why the picked knits? 

I'm sure you agree that believing an existential threat has a low probability is not equal to a sure thing.

What probability do you ascribe to N.T.H.E. (as I define Near Term Human Extinction below)? 

Please don't give me this answer: 

I want to make it clear right now that I firmly believe I will not witness it. I am pushing 70. I want to make it clear right now that I think a massive government (s) funded Viable Biosphere push of ten years duration (followed by a century of carbon NEGATIVE infrastructure and continuous bioremediation of degraded areas in the air, land and waters of the Earth) or less would delay the event horizon several decades and possibly prevent N,T.H.E. I believe that effort would give us a small chance, but not guarantee success.

I want to make it clear right know that I firmly believe that, if the above is not done, Homo SAPs born after the year 2000 will witness and suffer the extinction of the human species.

I want to make it clear that "extinction" doesn't mean there will be no humans left by the year 2200. I mean that the breeding pairs available will be insufficient to perpetuate the species. People will be born in 2070 when the FUBAR letter "R" changes from "Recognition" to "Repair". They will have a lonely existence. Maybe they will be able to dig up genetic diversity from dead people's DNA and start replenishing the species gene pool. In a 6 degree to 8 degree Centigrade average temperature increase atmosphere, I don't think that is likely. But they might make it to 2250 or so.

Do you want my date for ZERO Homo SAPS? I don't have one. Miracles can, and do, happen. My disagreement with you involves, though is certainly not limited to, your firm belief that a miracle is unnecessary and incremental measures will enable us to muddle along. I agree with you on every positive measure you wish to implement. It's the required scale and rapidity of implementation that we disagree on.

Let me organize my thoughts and reply to your post. Forgive me if I don't do the line by line thing consistently. I'm not trying to be less specific or wishy washy. I find that style to be a bit stilted and too often lacks overall context.

Ashvin uses it a lot to avoid big picture issues when a debate is present. It infuriates me when he does that because I KNOW he is using lawyer tactic fallacious debating techniques to "win" the debate.

That said, I don't think your line by line rebuttal of my statements is anything but an honest response. I just bring it to your attention so you will understand why it normally isn't my style, though I do use it from time to time.

The bottom line for me is to try to present my posts in a way that gives the most clarity to root positions. That way some common ground might be reached quicker and sparring on downstream issues can be avoided.

I'll try to be as specific as possible. 
Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:
For the Lord will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them. Pr. 22:22-23

 

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