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Re: Weird Science
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2015, 07:53:34 pm »
Here's something for you to ponder:
Wrong Brothers at Kitty Hawk to Mach 1: 1903 to 1955
Mach 1 to a space station along with a few Newtonian physics sling shot maneuvers to send probes hither and yon: 1955-2015...

I DON'T THINK SO. WHERE do you get the idea that technological progress SLOWED DOWN after Mach 1? I think it didn't "slow down". I think is ACCELERATED. But fossil duel profits had to be preserved. It's REALLY that simple, JD.

People here talk about how the elite are going to off the "useless eaters" with all kinds of devilish plans.  ::)  RE is RIGHT to claim we don't DO separate biospheres well.

They tried that in a Mars Colony setup right here on earth. ALL the atmosphere, water, soil, plants, people and so on were self contained in large concrete and glass building.

But they forgot to figure in the fact that fresh concrete absorbs a lot oxygen (concrete cures for DECADES after it first sets, absorbing oxygen at lesser and lesser rates as it cures).

Guess what happened to the scientists in the Mars colony biome?  Remember, these are dedicated, brilliant individuals.  They began to have arguments. They formed cliques and began increasingly hostile exchanges and hate filled and hysterical arguments and accusations. To avoid violence the experiment had to be aborted for a brief period.

As soon as the scientists exited the biome, they immediately recovered their civilized demeanor and were thoroughly chagrined by their video taped descent into sniping and false accusations of research sabotaging.

THEN they found that the oxygen level when the paranoia and sniping began had dropped below 18% because the concrete was sucking it up. The plants could not keep up. People were NOT getting headaches like typical anoxia victims get that would have warned them. No the instrumentation in the biome DID NOT register dangerous oxygen levels for some reason - it's in the article - they fixed it  (I've been there as a pilot - When you've got a headache and you are above 10,000 feet without on board oxygen, you KNOW why and you descend).

So, it is EASY to turn us into a bunch a even more barbaric and insane bastards than we are RIGHT NOW! :o  I can take every single person here and have them ready to go to war with anybody else over imagined paranoia by simply lowering the oxygen from the normal (about 21%) to 18% or lower (without telling them about it, OF COURSE :evil4:). They won't notice! They'll just turn into savages and eventually start murdering each other!

So the "elite" doesn't need to gas us with hydrogen sulfide or any other expensive plan. ALL THEY NEED TO DO is keep burning those fossil fuels full tilt while reducing the photosynthetic phytoplankton and flora through heated oceans and desertification. It's SIMPLE!  :evil4: It's also a GREAT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY! 
 When word gets out that, unfortunately  , the 21% we are used to isn't "holding", SOMEBODY is going to make a LOT OF MONEY selling bottled oxygen.
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OSHA defines as oxygen deficient any atmosphere that contains less than 19.5 percent.
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/shipyard/shiprepair/confinedspace/oxygendeficient.html

I'll dig up the article if you want. It's all DOCUMENTED. This is not hyperbole or scare mongering. Our intelligence, morality and civilized demeanor vanishes when we go below around 18% oxygen in the air we breathe, period. I suppose our body senses something isn't right and our brain proceeds to look for someone to blame for it. And that's with oxygen. There are other QUITE COMMON atmospheric gasses than bring about all sorts of "interesting" (depending upon your point of view) responses from Homo SAPS. We are VERY fragile.
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Re: Weird Science
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2015, 01:10:54 am »
UFOs and DEACTIVATED MISSLES: The TRUTH and the LIES told about those who told the TRUTH

Gentlemen of the jury, we are faced with the hearsay testimony of James Carlson through his father Eric Carlson versus the testimony of:

2)Dr. Patrick McDonough

1) Retired Lt. Col. Dwynne Arneson

2) Former Captain Robert Salas

3)A former missile targeting officer, then-Lt. Robert Jamison

and

4) Col. Walter Figel.

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Eric Carlson was one of two missile launch officers who were present at Malmstrom’s Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, when all 10 of their ICBMs shut down. 

While the senior Carlson claims not to remember any mention of a UFO being present at the time, the other officer, now-retired Col. Walter Figel, has told me (Hastings), and Salas, that he received a report of a “large, round” UFO hovering over one of the missile sites just moments after it failed, and shortly before the other nine malfunctioned as well. Figel also verified that other security personnel subsequently corroborated the presence of the UFO. All of these admissions are on audio tape and one may listen to them via links in my article “The Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt”, posted at The UFO Chronicles website.

Unfortunately, James T. Carlson believes his father’s version of events—that no UFOs were present at Echo Flight when the missiles went down—and has spent the last two years slandering and libeling anyone who contradicts this claim. James has further alleged that Bob Salas has completely fabricated the story of his own involvement in a second shutdown incident, at Oscar Flight, even though the other officer present at the time, retired Col. Fred Meiwald, has verified its reality.

The following is actual e-mail correspondence from Ray Fowler to James Carlson. After the posted correspondence you will find a Hastings comment that Ashvin will, no doubt, claim is evidence of bias (Read the main post by Hastings requesting info that I am posting beneath the correspondence to see that Hastings is not being biased or defamatory. )

This exchange was posted in UFO Magazine so Ashvin will claim it is not credible. Nevertheless, the e-mail rebuttal is factual evidence. Carlson has not been able to counter Fowler's assertions and accusations of deliberate falsehoods by Carlson on the notes Fowler himself sent to Carlson in DEFENSE of Salas's claims.
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Rebuttal to Carlson from Ray Fowler:

James Carlson wrote: "Thanks to Raymond Fowler sending me all of his notes on the subject, going back to 1967 and including his correspondence to Salas in 1996, you can rest assured that I will prove that you and Salas are lying, and have been doing so for years."


Ray Fowler responds:

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: James Carlson re: Ray Fowler’s notes on Minuteman shutdowns during UFO presence
From: "Raymond Fowler" <rfowler400@null>
Date: Sat, October 23, 2010 7:32 pm
To: lesleyinnm@gmail.com
 "Bob Hastings" <hastings@kitcarson.net>
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Hi,

I was recently sent something that James Carlson [posted on] your blog regarding some notes that I sent him to straighten him out re: his calling Salas a liar. I felt that I should respond.

I was under the strong impression that my notes defused Carlson's argument and attack on Bob Hastings. [The notes] read that because of my work on Minuteman, I had contact with contractors and subcontractors at Malmstrom who told me that Echo Flight had been shut down while a UFO was overhead.

They also mention that other UFO events were taking place on-site and that I had conversations with two ICBM officers [who] told me that their Launch Control Facility was affected by UFOs over the site. One event at Minot involved interruption of LCF equipment. The UFO was tracked on radar, it appeared to land and strike teams radio's were affected when they approached it. Jets were scrambled but could not catch the UFO. Dr. Hynek wrote about this event in the Saturday Evening Post and he had access to the USAF report. The ICBM officer that co-manned the Launch Control Facility visited Sylvania and when I was introduced to him by our contracts manager, the manager joked that I was interested in UFOs. The ICBM Officer said that UFOs were not a joke and proceed to tell us about the event above. The other ICBM officer had retired from the USAF and joined Sylvania. He found out that I was interested in UFOs and proceed to tell me that his Flight of Missiles went down sometime in 1966 when a UFO was overhead.

The other notes show that Salas had made an honest mistake by stating earlier that he was in Echo Flight during its shutdown. He assumed this because he years later read about my notes and concluded that this was the flight that he manned. Later, as you read the notes, Salas made enquires to others who were on base and found that he was in another flight that had gone down. It was an honest mistake.

I told Carlson that when I worked for the USAF/NSA, monitoring the Russians, that a number of memorable events happened but because of the distance of time, I could not remember who I was working with or what shift I was working, etc. Carlson calls Salas a liar because of a memory lapse which he later corrected. I think that Carlson protests too much and for some reason unknown to me is going out of the way to debunk UFOs no matter what the evidence. I corresponded with him for awhile but gave up in frustration because of his highly emotional responses and his unfairly calling Salas [a liar]. I think my notes have struck some kind of a emotional chord with him to come on so strong on the UFO Magazine Blog. I would like to see how he could prove Salas a liar by using my notes. I am convinced that any objective person reading them could never come to such a conclusion.

Best,
Ray Fowler


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From Robert Hastings...


This is classic James T. Carlson. Fowler tells him "White" but James hears "Black." In James' world, up is down, left is right, and the sky is green not blue. But rather than seeking professional help, James goes on twisting facts with his twisted mind, and libels anyone who doesn't buy into his fantasies.

Robert Hastings


Now for the lead post from Hastings that led to the information posted by Fowler debunking Carlson's mendacity:
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The James T. Carlson Problem   

Robert Hastings Requests Your Assistance   

By Robert Hastings   www.ufohastings.com   

 

Over the past 37 years I have interviewed more than 120 former or retired U.S. military personnel regarding their knowledge of UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites during the Cold War era. On September 27, 2010, seven of those individuals participated in a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. to discuss their personal experiences in such cases. The event was streamed live by CNN and thousands of articles and broadcast news stories—the great majority of them accurate and objective—have been generated worldwide over the past month.   Four of the press conference participants discussed UFO activity at Malmstrom AFB’s ICBM sites in 1966-67:   Dr. Patrick McDonough revealed that one night, while working as an Air Force geodetic surveyor at a not-yet activated missile site, a disc-shaped UFO had raced in and briefly hovered, silently, some 300-feet above his head. 

Retired Lt. Col. Dwynne Arneson, the Officer-in-Charge of the 28th Air Division’s Communications Center at Malmstrom in 1967, told of reading a secret message about a UFO hovering over a missile site just before it and nine other ICBMs mysteriously malfunctioned.

 
 Former Captain Robert Salas, a missile launch officer at Malmstrom, spoke of being on alert at a 10-missile group designated Oscar Flight, probably on March 24, 1967, when his missiles failed—moments after his head security guard had called the launch capsule to report a glowing oval-shaped object hovering over the Launch Control Facility. Salas has publicly spoken about this incident since 1995 and was the co-sponsor of the press conference. 

Finally, a former missile targeting officer, then-Lt. Robert Jamison, spoke of being involved in the re-start (retargeting) of the Oscar Flight missiles. Jamison said that all of the targeting teams involved in the action were briefed before going to the missile sites and were explicitly told that UFOs had been involved in the ICBM shutdowns.   All of these individuals spoke out because they believe, as do I, that the U.S. government needs to be candid with the American people, and humans everywhere, about the reality of the UFO phenomenon and, in particular, the UFO-Nukes Connection. 

Now, although these courageous individuals have come forward and divulged their involvement in still-classified incidents, in the hope of raising public awareness, a UFO debunker named James T. Carlson has been posting countless items online over the past two years, calling these veterans (and others who were involved in the missile shutdown incidents) liars, or worse. In particular, Bob Salas and I have been singled-out for his wrath. Carlson’s father, Eric Carlson, was one of two missile launch officers who were present at Malmstrom’s Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, when all 10 of their ICBMs shut down. 

While the senior Carlson claims not to remember any mention of a UFO being present at the time, the other officer, now-retired Col. Walter Figel, has told me, and Salas, that he received a report of a “large, round” UFO hovering over one of the missile sites just moments after it failed, and shortly before the other nine malfunctioned as well. Figel also verified that other security personnel subsequently corroborated the presence of the UFO. All of these admissions are on audio tape and one may listen to them via links in my article “The Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt”, posted at The UFO Chronicles website.

Unfortunately, James T. Carlson believes his father’s version of events—that no UFOs were present at Echo Flight when the missiles went down—and has spent the last two years slandering and libeling anyone who contradicts this claim. James has further alleged that Bob Salas has completely fabricated the story of his own involvement in a second shutdown incident, at Oscar Flight, even though the other officer present at the time, retired Col. Fred Meiwald, has verified its reality.

 
 In any case, the time has come for me to take inventory, in preparation for a possible legal action: While I am aware of numerous posts by James Carlson about all of this—on blogs at several websites—I’m certain that I’ve missed many more, given that they run into the hundreds at this point. So, I am seeking the reader’s assistance: 

I am asking that persons who want to the truth about the incidents at Malmstrom AFB in 1967 to be established—once and for all—to scour the Internet and locate posts in which Carlson has referred to me (or Bob Salas) as a “fraud”, a “liar” a “hoaxer” or similar defamatory terms.  I am also interested in posts where James claims that he has “proved” that Mr. Salas and I have misrepresented the facts.

Those willing to assist me in this regard should send me links to the offending posts via ufohastings@aol.com.   Thank you. 

Robert Hastings
http://ufomagazine.squarespace.com/ufo-magazine/2010/10/23/the-james-t-carlson-problem.html

Is James Carlson a credible debunker of the testimony of all the persons above, including Salas ?

 




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Re: Weird Science
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2015, 12:17:42 am »
The OTHERS

The NAZIs knew about them.



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Notes on Hermann Oberth
SPACE PIONEER HERMAN OBERTH WAS VON BRAUN MENTOR

Space pioneer Hermann Oberth, was considered by many to be the most famous mentor of the late Dr. Wernher von Braun, the first director of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.
"On the German side, I have to mention before all Professor Hermann Oberth who offered the world new basic concepts in the field of rocket technology," Von Braun wrote in 1959.

Oberth was born in Hermannstadt, Transylvania, the son of Dr. Julius Oberth, a physician. He attended schools at Schaessburg, Transylvania, until he was ready to enter the University of Munchen in 1913. He later became a professor of mathematics and physics.

In the spring of 1930, a young Wernher von Braun enrolled at the Berlin Institute of Technology and in his spare time assisted Oberth in his early experiments in testing a liquid-fueled rocket stage with about 15 pounds of thrust.
In September 1930, Oberth returned to a teaching post in Romania while von Braun continued experiments under the sponsorship of the German Society for Space Travel.

Fast Forward to Peenemuende:

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Oberth rejoined Von Braun and his team of scientists working on rockets at Peenemuende during World War II.

There is evidence he was NOT just researching rocket propulsion in Germany with Von Braun and the other German scientists at Peenemuende. That evidence consists of patents for rather circular looking flying machines by German Corporations. BMW was one of those corporations. They probably didn't work too well.

Sure, the NAZIs experimented with all kinds of stuff that didn't work. In NAZI Germany, just like here  >:(, there was always money for new and improved war machines.  :( But that's not the point. The point is that they HAD PHOTOGRAPHS of flying disks and took seriously the eye witness accounts to such a degree that they DID try to duplicate the soundless, rapid movement this way and that, propulsion technology of these machines obviously not produced by human technology.

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After the war, his research continued, and for a time he was engaged in rocket research for the Italian navy.

In 1955, he was invited to rejoin the rocket team. This time, Oberth came to Huntsville where he pursued rocket studies in the Technical Feasibility Studies Office of the U. S. Army Ordnance Missile Laboratories. In 1956, he transferred to the Army Ballistic Missile Agency as chief of Special Fields in the Research Projects Office. He resigned from U. S. government service in November 1958 and returned to Germany.

Von Braun later claimed that Oberth's book, "A Rocket to the Interplanetary Space," which was published in 1923, gave "proof that it was possible to travel to other planets by means of liquid propellant rockets."

Quite a bit happened after 1923 to expand Oberth's knowledge about HOW we could get there from here. Since the above quote is from NASA, it's just like them to pretend rocket propulsion was/is IT for Oberth, Von Braun and the USA.  Oberth AND Von Braun were keenely aware of the (not very successful - they did lose the war, after all) attempts to produce an electro-gravitic propulsion flying disk in Germany during WWII and in the USA (perhaps a tad more successful  ;D) after 1947. More on that after the rest of Oberth's distinguished biography.

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Oberth, who visited the Marshall Center as recently as 1985, is also remembered by others in Huntsville. Bill Snoddy, now retired from the Marshall Center, went to work for the Army in Huntsville in 1958. Snoddy recalls that crowded conditions meant that many new employees ended up with their desks in the hallway of Bldg. 4484. "My desk was outside Professor Oberth's office," Snoddy said. "I was new and was only around him for a few months before he went back to Germany. But I remember that he was a very quiet person. He was very humble."

Snoddy also remembers seeing the many charts and exotic    illustrations in Oberth's office: "He was a visionary. Like Von Braun, he could communicate his ideas in drawings and writings." Recalling Oberth's close association with Von Braun, Snoddy said, "If Von Braun can be considered the father of the space age, then Oberth must be the grandfather."

Hermann Oberth died Dec. 29, 1989, in a hospital in Nuremberg, West Germany
http://history.msfc.nasa.gov/earlyra/hoberth_notes.html

First, let us return to the claim I made that bothered Ashvin, perhaps because it was so broad brushed and evidence free. That is, I said, in regard to ETs, that they are a space faring civilization(s), they are here, they are visiting, they are messing with everybody's nukes and they have technology far beyond human technology.

People that read my stuff know that, although I am not as fastidiously methodical as Ashvin is, I do not lie. So what? The fact that I don't set about to tell a tall tale does not mean I know what I'm talking about, does it? Of course. Integrity is not evidence of veracity; it merely means that I believe my account. Belief and evidence are two different things.

The evidence of what we see, hear and touch influences what we conclude about reality. We believe this or that is real when enough evidence warrants it. I believe the ET phenomenon warrants our acceptance that it is real. I do not share Ashvin's concern about people going all in to the 'ET masters of the universe/saviors' worship just because the OTHERS are smarter and more advanced technologically than we are. I never have worshipped ETs and I never will. But if some Homo SAPs can worship Elvis or some Wall Street Big Shot, I guess some poor saps would start building ET churches (even more than the whackos do now! ) if they had a saucer parked next to all the shopping centers with free electro-gravitic massages for all comers. I can see it now, "Come get your 'religious experience' at the ET Masters Church TODAY!".  :P  ;D

Reality is what it is. Just because a space faring civilization is more advanced technologically than we are does not mean I need to bow down and worship them. But given the Darwinian world view that the 'apex predator', 'winner of the big brain competition', 'highest technology bad ass is RIGHT because  he has the MIGHT', I can understand Ashvin's concern. ALL of us have been brainwashed with that predatory pap since we were children.   

I have posted, in this forum, my eye witness account of light balls, larger than a man, car length or so away from me, popping into existence, floating by in a parking lot on the night of April 9, 1990. After popping out of sight, I saw them streaking silently through the night sky a few miles away (there was cloud backdrop - I have EXTENSIVE training and experience in measuring distances from clouds of moving aircraft and their velocity). I saw two of them in the sky. They moved at well over a thousand miles per hour silently. One of them did a hairpin turn that is quite impossible for an aircraft (OR a missile, by the way). They went back to the backlit cumulonimbus bubbling cloud, which lost its light and stopped it's bubbling. End of eye witness account.

Eddie thinks it was some high tech defense department stuff. But the fact that the huge UFO flap, with military evidence of radar, photographs and fighter interceptor chases was going on at exactly the same time halfway around the world (something I did not learn of for almost a decade!), convinced me that I wasn't hallucinating (no I wasn't 'on something' or drinking. LOL!) or that it was human technology. No I saw no flying disks or little green men. So? The subject is NON-HUMAN high tech and ETs,. The flying disks are a subset of that subject.

But let's assume that my experience does not provide any evidence for my claim the ET's are here and doing all kinds of things that we cannot stop them from doing.

Back in the early 1970s I read "The Interrupted Journey" about Barney and Betty Hill's account of an ET encounter. Weird stuff. I filed it away.

As an enroute air traffic controller in the 1970s, I would occasionally track on radar, during the midnight shifts, what we called "fast movers". We had broadband radar (no relation to broadband internet!). Broadband radar is non-digitized raw radar. It's low tech but tracks absolutely anything that moves, unlike the digitized radar we got in the late 1970s (and have had ever since). Unlike digitized radar, which is computer algorithm massaged by velocity to decide whether it is eligible for display (too slow, don't show - too fast must be false target - do not output to display - programmer inserts parameters - I did that when I was in programming later on), broadband shows everything.

A fast mover was distinguished by the trace. On raw radar, a target paints like a splotch. The antenna (ENROUTE radar - tower radars turn faster) rotates 360 degrees in about 58 seconds and paints it again in a different position. We radar controllers would figure how fast it was going from the distance between the two splotches. I trained for three years to learn how to interpret Radio Amplitude Detection and Ranging so spare me the hairsplitting. I'm giving you an abbreviated version, okay?

The fast movers were assumed by all brother controllers to be A) Secret US military aircraft (USA! USA!) or B) ET UFOs. We all knew about project Blue Book and the massive amount of baloney foisted on the public. We all had secret clearances. The gooberment was unconcerned about what we agreed to among ourselves because it was illegal for us to talk to the public about what we saw on radar or from control towers either.

We were reminded of that in a friendly fashion once a year in security briefings. I am not being sarcastic. UFOs were NEVER mentioned officially in security briefings by the stupidvisor crew chiefs (unofficially, they knew the score and said so - most of them were ex-USAF air traffic controllers...). We were obedient apparatchiks, as Surly has reminded me from time to time.   ;D

This WORLD that I lived in is strange to Ashvin and many others. They do not understand how people can be knowledgeable about the UFO reality and keep it a secret. Therefore Ashvin assumes we lack the evidence. No, we just liked keeping our jobs and staying out of jail (see CFS).  8)

We would NOT try to gather physical evidence for the same reason. But we talked. And we were honest with each other. I have said before and I'll say it again. People from a military background are not given to mendacity and tall tales, period. And wishful thinking and hallucination is not what hard boiled, nuts and bolts, do the math, USAF and civilian air traffic controllers that have many lives in their hands are about either.

Which brings me to Richard Diedrik (not totally sure of the spelling - feel free to use that as 'evidence' that my hearsay account doesn't amount to a hill of beans.   ;) Logical people will know better. ). Nicknamed "Dick", he got promoted to the enroute air traffic control training department staff where I worked in 1977.  I had been there a year and was the lead training instructor.

Dick was a former USAF tower controller. He was a chubby, affable fellow. He had been stationed at an Air Force Base somewhere in the Southwestern U.S. in the 1960s. We hit it off and I invited him over for dinner and drinks.
At my home, we talked about the fast movers, what the USAF might have and what those fast movers might be. We covered a lot of territory including military maneuver areas civilians know nothing about, blocked airspace where 'things' move (radar returns that ARE NOT false targets) when nothing is supposed to be there and more. I brought up Barney and Betty Hill.

Then he told me of his experience.  He was working the midnight shift in the tower cab on a USAF base in the late 1960s with another airman (enlisted rank). All military bases have a 24/7 OIC (officer in charge)  that mans a desk somewhere on base (not the atc tower). Whoever has the OIC shift wears an OIC band on his arm over his uniform (I saw my dad wear it from time to time).

Dick explained that they had some land marks (nearby water tower, some mountains, etc.) that they knew the exact distance to and height of. They used these landmarks to estimate the distance and altitude of visually sighted aircraft. This enabled them to call the sequence for inbound aircraft and tell the pilots who they had to follow and the outbound traffic to avoid as well.

Dick also explained that they had a tool that they held up to a visually sighted aircraft to estimate the size of the aircraft and the possible identity of the type of aircraft. The biggest one then was the B-52. Once they had the distance and altitude estimated from the landmarks behind or just below the aircraft, they would dial that in on the tool to get a ball park idea of the aircraft type.

Dick sighted a luminous object (not lights outlining it in the dark). He estimated the distance and altitude from the airport. They had no traffic reported in the area. He attempted to establish radio contact. No joy. The other controller was sacked out. He woke him up to ensure he had another witness to this flying object because he had to file a report on any airbase incursions from unauthorized aircraft.

The thing grew in size, indicating that it was approaching the base. He used his tool on it when had a good estimate of the distance and altitude. It was too big to be a B-52. It was approaching the base. It would not respond to radio calls. They called the OIC who told them to monitor the movements of the aircraft and file a report.

The thing got within a few miles from the airport. It was not moving erratically or particularly quickly either. But it was moving at jet aircraft speed. This was no lighted blimp. It was not bobbing up and down either. But the tool, now that the distance and altitude estimate was much more precise, indicated its size (in profile) just below five B52s. The USAF did not have aircraft that big then or now.

It got within a mile and stopped at about 500 feet above the runway. Still no radio contact and no jet engine noise whatsoever (Yes, jet aircraft sound is not heard well in towers. They have excellent sound proofing. But the lower rumbling always comes through when jets are within a couple of miles - this thing made no noise at all). It was saucer shaped in it was one big forking saucer! They called the OIC again, who told them to continue observing the craft and that he was now on his way to the tower cab. No orders were given to scramble chase aircraft.

The UFO hovered for about 10 or 15 minutes. Dick thoroughly eyeballed it with binoculars, as did his fellow controller. He could not discern doors, markings, tail number or control surfaces. It was totally luminescent and it was not transparent. It appeared to be made of some metal. The color of the luminescent surface was like a dim light bulb (grayish glowing white). There was no doubt in the two controllers' minds that this thing was a physical object. Radar tracking was confirmed.

It began to move. Within seconds, it streaked towards the mountains (not straight up but at a slight angle), becoming too small in size to sight visually. The speed was well over two thousand miles an hour from a dead stop. Dick called a nearby USAF radar tracking facility and asked them if they were tracking a high speed object. They confirmed that they were in the last few minutes but they had nothing at the moment. Dick did not say word one about what he had seen. When you are being recorded, you say only what you must say, period.

The OIC arrived and was briefed by both controllers. He told them to remain in the lower tower cab offices after their shift and not to discuss this further with EACH OTHER or anyone else.

The rest of the shift was routine. They did as they were told.

After their shift MPs arrived and his fellow airman left with them. Then some security personnel in plain clothes told him he was not to mention this incident to anyone under threat of court martial. He of course agreed but asked what could be done about this giant flying saucer. He was told it was probably a hallucination. He said the other guy saw the same thing. They spent a couple of hours brow beating him about the possibility of disciplinary action, a transfer to bumfork Alaska (or worse) and so on. He got the message and signed whatever they placed before him. They left.

When he got back to the barracks, his fellow controller's room was vacant. He asked about him and was told he was given a "hardship transfer" to another air base.

Dick was never scheduled to work a midnight shift on that base again. He never saw another flying saucer.

It was almost two years later when Dick found out where his fellow controller had been transferred to by chance. He had, of course, not made any official inquiries. He looked the guy up and the guy did not want to say beans about any of their shared experiences "the night before" he transferred out.  The look of naked fear on his fellow controller's face was all Dick needed to see. Dick made some comment about being glad that the hardship transfer had worked out and they parted friends.

Dick told me he was sweating bullets for years about that event, not because of ET, but because of the tough customers in security that he knew could ruin his career, put him in jail on trumped up charges or make him disappear.

I was dumbfounded. So, the brass knew and we were supposed to pretend there was nothing to see, move along. Dick nodded. Now I knew what our government did with the pilot UFO reports we had to submit to the stupidvisor (AFTER Blue Book had been shut down). Now I knew why most controllers considered making those reports a waste of time. Now I knew why our canned phraseology "Do you wish to file an official report of sighting an Unidentified Flying Object?",  ;) whenever a pilot claimed to see strange 'things', was part of MESSAGE to airline pilots that the gooberment did not want to hear it AND that their airline WOULD hear it (consider them a bit flaky if they got a rep for reporting strange 'things').

We talked a little about the technology and why we don't have a cool flying saucer to go to work in. No need for runways but we would still have airports for customs and such (ATC job security was always considered!  ;D) If smugglers go a hold of one, they would have a field day!  Also, there were a definite advantages for air traffic control if we could order a craft to stop in midair; no more holding patterns and easy sequencing! And no more worries about one aircraft overtaking another.

After pondering the implications a while and the FACT that we didn't have flying saucer technology, I said that TPTB either couldn't duplicate it or were not interested in duplicating it in order to not rock the transportation industry boat, so to speak. Dick agreed that was part of it but believed it was more about the USAF not wanting to admit they could not do beans about where ET went and what ET did. We both agreed that it was a relief that ET did not want to waste us. 

We both agreed that major foot dragging by TPTB was not going to change any time soon and only ET would be able to force the issue if they wished to do so. Neither of us knew zip about what was going on at the nuke missile facilities from the 1960s on up when this conversation took place in 1977. 

Ashvin, Dick was telling the truth. It's hearsay. RIGHT! You don't have to believe it. RIGHT!

But I insist that you are avoiding reality by believing the "others" are not here. They are here. They have been around for God knows how long. And their technology is fantastic stuff! The Germans recognized that before WWII.

The following quotes are from Space Pioneer Dr. Hermann Oberth. They were obtained in 1972 in an interview for a book about suppressed inventions:




LESS THAN ten seconds of video of a Fast Mover at the World Trade Center  July 24, 2000 (screen shot from above) :o. A human being would be would be instantly killed from that type of acceleration. That is what Richard Diedrik witnessed one night working in a USAF base air traffic control tower. It's NOT one of ours. It belongs to the OTHERS.

I thought somebody was chasing it but it looks like it buzzed the chopper doing the filming and took a hairpin turn, leaving some condensation trail when it neared the ocean. You need to view the super short video about three times before you get the total picture of what the shocked guy was trying to film. If it was a fake, it was a good one!  ;D 
http://viewrz.com/video/wtc-fast-mover

This video is a longer version of the short vimeo clip I made. This one has no sound. If you haven't heard the sound, please do so in the vimeo clip. I believe the behavior of the lady and her words gives authenticity to the video.

Watch carefully as SOMETHING flies slowly behind the second tower before nosing out on the other side. After it streaks off, you can see it again, unlike in the vimeo clip. You can also clearly see it come VERY close to the chopper before doing it's hairpin diving turn. ENJOY!
 

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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2015, 12:43:42 am »
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A family victimized by WHAT (with the cooperation of the authorities), exactly?  ???  :(  >:(

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Dr. Karla Turner was murdered by the CIA for exposing the Alien Greys. A Ufological researcher whose focus was alien, military, and para-military abductions, or MAAR (Malevolent Alien Abduction Research), in this lecture she discusses her findings after years of personal experience and having worked closely with many abductees.

Dr. Karla Turner was widely respected in the field of Ufology for her research on alien abduction. A brilliant scholar and professional educator, she earned a Ph.D. in Old English studies and taught at the university level in Texas for more than ten years. But in 1988, she and her husband and son endured a disturbing series of experiences and recollections that forced them to recognize that they were all abductees.

Many of the abductees Dr. Turner studied had at one time or another had alien implants removed by a surgeon. Her research found that the extraterrestrials known as the Alien Greys or Grey Aliens, beings from Zeta Reticuli (a binary star system in the southern constellation of Reticulum), who identify themselves as the "Reticulans" (Lam was purportedly a Zeta Reticulian), abduct humans and take them to alien ships and alien bases that were located underground and on the ocean floor. Some abductees even reported that they were, from time to time, kidnapped by human U.S. military personnel who worked with the aliens.

Dr. Turner, who was in perfect health and had no genetic history of cancers of any kind, died of an unidentifiable cancer on January 10, 1996, after being repeatedly threatened and harassed in an attempt to force her to discontinue her research. She was just 48. Since then, several other people involved in UFO abduction investigations have also experienced threats followed by highly unusual, fast-acting cancer.

Dr. Turner's alien abduction research was published in 3 paperbacks: Into the Fringe, Taken, and Masquerade of Angels ( https://www.scribd.com/deleted/100295685 ). Shortly after her suspicious and untimely death (murder), her publishing company was intimidated into halting the printing of Karla Turner's haunting conclusions about the agenda of the evil Greys, their alliance with the Illuminati, and it how it factors into the New World Order.
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NASA Astronauts Recall UFO Encounters  :o

Buzz Aldrin, Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper – all former NASA astronauts – recount the incredible events of the UFO encounters.


Buzz Aldrin

In an interview back in 2005 with the Science Channel, Edwin ‘ Buzz’ Aldrin indicated that he saw an unidentified flying object which followed Apollo 11 on the 1969 Lunar landing mission and may have contained aliens.

In a youtube video recording, Aldrin recounts the experience and the conversation with mission control:

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  “[There was] something out there that was close enough to be observed, and what could it be?

“Mike [Collins] decided he thought he could see it in the telescope and he was able to do that. When it was in one position, it has a series of ellipses. But when you made it real sharp, it was sort of L-shaped. That didn’t tell us very much.

Obviously the three of us were not going to blurt out, ‘Hey Houston, we’ve got something moving alongside of us and we don’t know what it is; can you tell us what it is? We weren’t about to do that, because we know that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and who knows what somebody would have demanded? That we turn back because of aliens, or whatever the reason.”

The crew decided not to discuss it further until debriefing. Afterward though, NASA astrophysicist David Morrison reported that Aldrin spoke with him after the interview, and claimed it was probably a panel seperated from the craft at one of the various stages, a normal procedure.

Agelbert NOTE: The PROBLEM with the above half truth by Buzz (with that grin on is face while he says it  ;)) is that there WERE/ARE secure radio voice encrypted frequency channels to Mission Control    , as you can see by the eye witness testimony HERE (Begin at 7:14 on video). Buzz is not being forthright. They certainly DID report the  UFO as an alien spacecraft to Mission Control. The rocket booster talk was filler for the Russians (probably). Buzz and the rest of the crew knew darned good and well the booster was WAY behind them! Mission Control probably put them up to this booster baloney to disguise all the extra chatter between the astronauts and Mission Control that was being detected by many earth based receivers (not just the Russians). NASA= Never A Straight Answer. 

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI&feature=player_embedded

 
Edgar Mitchell

Edgar Mitchell flew in Apollo 14 in 1971 to the moon, recognised as the sixth man to set foot on the moon. His recount of events to WPTV tells that he is absolutely certain aliens are watching us and that the government is completely aware of this.

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“I don’t know how many or where or how they’re doing it, but they’ve been observing us and here for quite some time. We see these craft all the time,” he said.

“I believe what I’m saying and I cite the evidence that I know,” Mitchell said.


Many UFO blogs and online enthusiasts cite a leaked transcript by a former NASA employee from after the Apollo 11 landing. The conversation takes place between the crew, mission control, and an unnamed professor.


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“Apollo 11” is quoted: “These babies are huge … You wouldn’t believe it. I’m telling you there are other spacecraft out there … lined up on the far side of the crater edge.

“They’re on the moon watching us.”

Astronaut Neil Armstrong is quoted as saying, “We were warned off.”


The name of the NASA employee is Otto Binder, who is actually a famous sci-fi author, which casts some doubt on this transcript.

According to the transcript, when Armstrong is questioned further, he states:


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"I can’t go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology—Boy, were they big … and menacing. … No, there is no question of a space station.”
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhxxHxIEmO4&feature=player_embedded
 

Gordon Cooper

Gordon Cooper is one of the original 7 NASA astronauts, piloting the last Project Mercury space mission back in 1963.

In 1951, he was in flight with the U.S Air Force in Germany when he witnessed many UFO’s in high altitude, in formation. They were flying much higher and faster than any man made aircraft, he states in an interview with Yolanda Gaskins in 1996 on Paranormal Borderline.

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“We couldn’t get anywhere near their altitude,” he said. After filing a report, he explained, “the answer that finally came back months later is they were probably high-flying seed pods, which didn’t sound very logical.”

Afterward, in 1957, his military crew filmed footage of a saucer shaped UFO landing on a dry lake bed, sitting on 3 standing legs. When they approached the craft, it took off. The film was given to his superiors, and never saw the light of day again.

These incredible encounters are only strengthened by their official professions.

Check out the entire article here at The Epoch Times.

http://itsastrangeworld.com/nasa-astronauts-recall-ufo-encounters/
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2015, 08:18:24 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVWq7n6F_tk&feature=player_embedded
The PHYSICAL Evidence that they are HERE and some of them are NOT NICE PEOPLE.
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2015, 09:26:44 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUqsU76GRq4&list=PLnrEt2fIdZ0aBgPuVF0C_T559YR20eDTc&feature=player_embedded

UFO crash at Nike Ajax Missile site (May 1958)

Plus astronauts journeying to the Moon in 1967 reporting alien spacecraft on a secure radio channel (7:14)  :o.

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Mr. Bentley has been involved in working on classified projects with several Government agencies including NASA and the DOE. He has a BS-EE degree and extensive training in nuclear engineering. Mr. Bentley recounts a story of personally witnessing a UFO crash at a Nike Ajax Missile Facility in Maryland and viewing a group of UFO's on radar take off at a calculated 17,000 miles an hour after having hovered on the ground. he also speaks of a 1967/68 incident where he overheard a conversation between Houston Control and astronauts in flight talk about avoiding a collision with a UFO spacecraft and our astronauts actually seeing living beings moving about through portals on the UFO.


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Cool post WWII pictures except for the really weird ones...
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2015, 11:08:56 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV19ayZxvuQ&feature=player_embedded
Now, if I was an alien and had a sense of humor, I might use this method to try to get you to "connect the dots", or dashes  ;D, as the case may be.  ;)

http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2015/02/ufo-over-russia-gets-attention-on.html
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Flying Saucers enter Cigar shaped (mother ship?) large vehicle before it zips off.:o
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LzrMgS7Xg&feature=player_embedded
There are good ones and bad aETs. Ignore the talk and watch the video.
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