Renewable Revolution

Palloy said,

I recommend you totally abandon your faith in the non-3-D universe, because it will never yield any uncontestable assertions, and you will be going round in circles for ever, but that is up to you.

The generalization that my world view will never yield any uncontestable assertions is not accurate. I am alive. I should not be. My rib cage rotated about 10 to 15 degrees. My head was slammed back and forth against the right front side of a car windshield and the left driver's side window so hard, and so many times in a 15 second crash sequence at about 140 mph, that I would feel the pain on the left side of my head while my eyes registered my head on the right side of the passenger compartment. I should be dead. The doctor wanted to do an exploratory. Ask UB what THAT entails. They don't do that on people that make sh it up. I am living proof that miracles occur. No question about it.

Your definition of "going around in circles" is at odds with mine. Your assertion that my view necessarily negates belief in SOME empirical evidence is false. As much as you want to believe that, I do not live in la-la land.

You are the one who flat refuses to include immeasurable, but documented, spontaneous healing in your world view. And I know why. You see, you may not have pondered this, but I have. IF the ONLY WAY our biochemical machinery can be repaired is by obeying the laws of thermodynamics while remaining within the tight life range of oxygenation and homeostatic requirements in temperature ranges, pH and so on, it is IMPOSSIBLE to be spontaneously healed.

Yet, it happens. In the 3D part of our universe, these events are not reproducible on demand but, nevertheless, their occurrence is empirically documented. This is a conundrum for materialist atheists. This requires that they adopt the position that, "therefore, what we THOUGHT was healing a person when we gave them this medicine or that therapy is not accurate". But they won't do that. They instead adopt the position that it's a random event of ZERO importance to their world view. When challenged they suggest the believer go back to reading entrails or shaking sticks at the sick. I am not proposing that. Aspirin really does help with headaches.    

IF Your world view really did require irrefutable evidence before you accepted something as real, you would not accept much of what you now accept ON FAITH, as real. Mine assumes irrefutability is a pipe dream. IOW, you are the one doomed to run around in tautological circles. You are the one limiting the boundary of your thoughts to an arbitrary standard of proof.

For example, if you saw a flying saucer, you would immediately get out your light speed limit assumptions and claim, "well, I'm seeing things" or "That could NOT have come from another star system so it must be some high tech toy the military has cooked up to scare the rubes with".

You have, Palloy, all sorts of road blocks to accepting the possibility of what is real and what is not because of a self imposed construct of reality. And a lot of what you believe, you cannot prove anyway. Yet you fancy that you've got reality nailed down and are keenly aware of when something cannot be part of it. That is a pipe dream.

But thanks for politely trying your best to enlighten me. Others might ask me to walk off a tall building since it's all "mind over matter" or whatever.     I disagree with your world view but know you mean well.