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Author Topic: Human Life is Fragile but EVERY Life is Valuable  (Read 6274 times)

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There's a really nice drone medical supply delivery system in Rwanda, using fixed wing drones for their much higher speed. It's been running for a couple of years with great results. Real Engineering has a really nice review of the design considerations, technology, and economics:


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Agelbert NOTE: As usual when when the welfare of people in Africa is defended, an alleged defender of the biosphere rants about overpopulation there killing off the fauna and flora. As usual when I spot these biosphere math challenged cretins, I weigh in with some facts:


Damien
Ok I think we got humans covered, over 9 billion of them left should be enough,., but what about all the species going extinct with no habitat and no water? To they not deserve to live? Why do we attach more value to human life? Surely this planet belongs to animals just as much as humans...

Lorenz HansenDamien
Every species cares mostly about their own, a lot just about them self. Same with most humans. Otherwise we would never eat meat, have pets or milk slaves. Caring about humans isn't wrong. Saving everybody born is the best way we know to reduce birth rates, and with it population. Developed countries have a unsustainable birthrate (below 2 kids per woman). Have a look at japan. Population is already decreasing. Same will happen all over the western world. Just Asia and Africa are still growing.

Damien > Lorenz Hansen
Thatís such an uneducated view, clearly you donít understand eco systems and linkages. with that logic letís just wipe the whole planet of all non-human species? Population is out of control, weíve taken other species habitat, everything has consequences and itís already hitting humans hard. No one talks about those communitiesí horrible habit of having 15 kids instead of 2. Everything is connected, we destroy the eco system or kill one species itíll destabilize everything and affect us as well.

Plus youíre talking about countries that are not the issue here. Undeveloped countries are the problem with uncontrolled populations and no jobs to give them.

agelbert > Damien

What you are ERRONEOUSLY doing is ASSUMING the SAME AGENCY (i.e. biosphere damaging ability) to each and every human that is alive. That is TYPICAL broad brush fragmentation of agency (i.e. share of responsibility for the damage) that absolves the major polluters of the massive pollution they are responsible for.   

The biosphere math facts clearly state that less than 17% of the human population, MOSTLY concentrated in wealthy countries, is DOING over 80% of the damage by consuming over 80% of the resources. Only about half (or less) of the MILITARY budgets alone of the wealthy countries could pay for bio-remediating the most impacted areas, stop the exploitation and care for and educate the high population growth poor there so they become good stewards instead of biosphere destroyers.

Since, according to the U.N., the richest 20% of the world's population uses 80% of the resources, the 'Fragmentation of Agency' pie chart for the damage done to the biosphere should look like this:

The fossil fuel industry, and almost half of the worldís 100 largest companies, want that 'Fragmentation of Agency' pie chart to look like this:

The REAL bottom line is that less than 17% of the human population is an existential threat to the ALL of the human population AND a large part of macroscopic species in the biosphere.

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"Capitalist ideology claims that the world is perfectly ordered and everybody is in their place (i..e. everybody gets what they deserve). This self legitmating aspect of Capitalism is Socially Catastrophic. This is the Victorian view of the world." Rob Urie - Author " Zen Economics"

Damien > agelbert
What does your theory that rests on shaky grounds (assumes people in developing countries donít have TVs, fridges, bikes, phones etc.) help resolve? So every should pollute as much as the 1%? Letís have +15 degrees temperature increase and see what happens... how stupid and short sighted.
 
agelbert > Damien
It's not a theory. For a fellow who is quite ready to scold polite educated people like Lorenz Hansen for their "uneducated" view of pollution cause and effect, you appear amazingly uninformed.

Here is the key senence in what I wrote. Please ponder it.

Only about half (or less) of the MILITARY budgets alone of the wealthy countries could pay for bio-remediating the most impacted areas, stop the exploitation and care for and educate the high population growth poor there so they become good stewards instead of biosphere destroyers.

Damien, I agree with you that the biosphere is being destroyed by the stupidity and greed of the human species.

However, your purported solution will not work. WHY IS THAT? Well, if every high population growth country's population all disappeared within a decade from a plague (or something similar, whether accidental or intentioned), that 17% of we PLANETARY PARASITES would still be there doing 80% of the BIOSPHERE DESTRUCTION.

To believe otherwise is wishful thinking. We need to get our house in order and get OFF of hydrocarbons, stop polluting mining, energy, manufacturing, wars, pesticide use, etc. and start a massive emergency campaign to get back to 350 PPM of CO2.

If we don't, we only have "DEVELOPED" countries to blame, NOT the "underdeveloped" countries.



« Last Edit: June 25, 2019, 03:02:22 pm by AGelbert »
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