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Re: How Long Ago Were We Created?
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2017, 09:47:42 pm »

I really wish I knew the real story. Douglas Adams writes very much in the style of C.S. Lewis, and having read and enjoyed both of them, I have to wonder how that happened. If you know much about C.S. Lewis the man, you might agree that there seems to be a whole lot of irony there.

Since they're both dead now, I'm not sure who to ask.

If you really want to know how C. S. Lewis thought, you need to properly understand and interpret what he meant when one of his characters in the Chronicles of Narnia said following:

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"It's all Plato".


Thank you AG. I found this, which seems to shed some light on Lewis's deepest beliefs.

In The Last Battle, C.S. Lewis brings his Narnian tale to an end. The forces of good and evil come to a head, and Aslan ushers in the end of Narnia and the beginning of eternity. Toward the end of the book, the old Narnia has ended and the faithful have entered through a magical door into Aslan’s land. As they explore this new world, they notice that it looks a lot like the old Narnia, just better—richer, purer, more real, untainted by evil, eternal.
And Lord Digory, who had been present during the creation of Narnia (another wonderful tale found in The Magician’s Nephew), blurts out:
It’s all in Plato, all in Plato: bless me, what do they teach them at these schools!

Granted, Lewis is writing fiction here, but what deeper truth about eternity is he pointing to? I think it is this. When this age has passed, and God redeems and restores all of creation, the faithful will finally experience life the way it is supposed to be. In a sense, our experience will seem more real, because it will be untainted by sin and misery. In eternity, the faithful will experience intimacy with God and harmony with each other as we worship, serve, and explore for eternity the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1).
This is the great hope of Christianity—that this world is not the end of the story for those who know Christ, rather it is just the beginning. Lewis ends the book with this:
. . . it was only the beginning of the real story. All their life in this world and all their adventures in Narnia had only been the cover and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read: which goes on forever: in which every chapter is better than the one before.



He believed that heaven was just like earth,  but harmonious, perfected and infinitely sustainable through the power of God. Earth as it should be, if humans weren't always screwing it up. I can see the attraction to that kind of mythos. Highly intelligent people are more aware of how screwed up the world is, and they need to find a way to make sense of it. It must have been very comforting to have this faith that all the bad stuff would be fixed.

Just like it's very easy for doomers to get very depressed these days, as we watch civilization start to come apart at the seams. Most of us need something to give us some comfort. I take comfort in believing that each of us is on a journey of learning and spiritually maturing and developing through many lifetimes, and that we aren't under pressure to get everything worked out in this one.

Not to get too far off into any kind of potential argument. thank you for the reference. I enjoyed the lesson.



You are most welcome. And thank you for your research. C. S. Lewis rocks!
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Re: How Long Ago Were We Created?
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2017, 10:01:41 pm »
Free audiobook "Chronicles of Narnia" by C.S. Lewis
Read by an English lady in a way that makes you feel you are part of the adventures of some English children. 


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Re: How Long Ago Were We Created?
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2017, 05:16:15 pm »
Our Created Solar System - What You Aren't Being Told


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The best evolutionary models say that many of the planets in our solar system should not exist. Yet there they are.   ;D

Did God create our Solar System less than 10,000 years ago, as the Bible says? Or did it form all by itself from a cloud of gas 4,600,000,000 years ago, as secular astronomers claim? Which account of history is true? ???

Recent discoveries in space has supported the Biblical account. Each planet in our Solar System defies the evolutionary model in multiple ways.

Many of the planets and moons appear to be young, not billions of years old. Plus, these objects show evidence of design, not random processes.

In this video, you will tour our magnificent Solar System, and explore these wonders in the heavens. Along the way, you will visit each of the planets and many of their moons, through more than 230 breath-taking photographs and graphics from NASA and other sources. You will see how each planet uniquely testifies of its Creator.

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ABOUT: Spike Psarris was previously an engineer in the United States’ military space program. He entered that program as an atheist and an evolutionist. He left it as a creationist and a Christian.

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Re: How Long Ago Were We Created?
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2017, 09:29:14 pm »
Deepest Hole Ever Drilled In The History Of Man - what they discovered will shock you   


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It has been said that the human race knows more about certain distant galaxies than it does about the ground that lies beneath its very feet. In fact, while it took the famous Voyager 1 satellite 26 years to exit our Solar System (relaying measurements to Earth from 16.5 billion km away), it took about the same amount of time for humanity to penetrate a mere 12 km into the Earth’s surface.

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Re: How Long Ago Were We Created?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2017, 02:04:19 pm »
From a discussion of ego on another forum

Why do so many Diners seem to place such a high value on "egolessness"?  ???  :icon_scratch:  Does being egoless somehow make you a better person than someone who has an ego?  Are you closer to perfection as a Homo Sap if you are egoless?

Moreover, WHY would you WANT to be egoless?  That's like wanting to go outside not wearing your underwear.  I certainly would not want to live in a world full of egoless people.  What would you talk with them about?

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Probably because every single problem or predicament faced by humanity can be traced back to our pride and ego (using the word to mean "a person's sense of self-importance").  If you want to solve the problems you have to deal with their roots.   

Ego certainly provides for "a person's sense of self-importance," but it is more then just that.  I would say that ego is like the mental body.  It is made very real by the mistake we make of allowing it to be real, to be taken seriously. 

However, it's also a necessary thing to have if you are going to be of the world.  If you are going to renounce the world, and live in a monastery, or in a cave in the wilderness, then you no longer need an ego.  In fact, going to a monastery is very much about giving yourself the ability to live without ego.  At least as close to that state as you can get. 

What is personality if not the things our ego has attached to and made into self?  Our preferences and distastes are all made possible by the process of attachment.  Which is why, in Buddhist philosophy, attachment is the fundamental problem.  It's the root cause of all suffering.  It's akin to the concept of original sin in Christianity.  To not be attached to anything is to be egoless.  That includes opinions and preferences.  I'm not the Buddhist monk on the Diner though...Knarf is, and I'm glad he's still here.  I have much respect for his way of life. 

I got distracted on my way to fetch the water.   :laugh:

Well if we make the "ego" equivalent to our identity as personal beings and the sense of selfhood, then I would agree with RE that there's nothing wrong with ego. I don't believe the world is something to be detached from, but rather something to be revered, maintained and taken in with gracious hearts. To do this, we must have opinions and make judgments on ourselves and others.

In most Christian theology our selfhood is real and important, but our fundamental sin is thinking and behaving in a way that places more importance on one's own self than on God or other "selfs". There is no way to avoid this completely in a fallen state, but we should certainly recognize it and do what we can to tip the scales.


DW, The only entropy a human can undergo is decomposing after death. Homeostatic pressure of the ego is its desperation for self preservation. The neurological state of meditation is slow wave activity. The mechanism is your whole parasympathetic nervous system. The mechanism for thinking is your brain. That it is the same thing used for ego is similar to the fact that the same hand can build things or break things.

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18 The teaching about the cross seems foolish to those who are lost. But to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

19 As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise.  I will confuse the understanding of the intelligent.”

20 So what does this say about the philosopher, the law expert, or anyone in this world who is skilled in making clever arguments? God has made the wisdom of the world look foolish.

21 This is what God in his wisdom decided: Since the world did not find him through its own wisdom, he used the message that sounds foolish to save those who believe it.

22 The Jews ask for miraculous signs, and the Greeks want wisdom. 23 But this is the message we tell everyone: Christ was killed on a cross. This message is a problem for Jews, and to other people it is nonsense.

Agelbert NOTE: There sure are a lot of "Greeks" at the above forum.  :(
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Re: How Long Ago Were We Created?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2017, 01:25:12 pm »
Titan's surface and atmosphere: Possible ONLY if our solar system is over 4 BILLION of years YOUNGER.

Published on Jan 14, 2015

For the probe landing’s 10th anniversary, a new sequence has been rendered from Huygens’ Descent Imager/Spectral Radiometer (DISR) data. The craft landed on Saturn’s largest moon on 14 Jan 2005. -- Landing Animation: http://goo.gl/6t6XuA

Credit: Erich Karkoschka, DISR team, University of Arizona


Agelbert NOTE:
Why is Titan's surface and atmosphere an embarrassment for the scientists who believe our solar system is 4.6 billion years old? 

SEE BELOW: ;D

How Do We Know Our Solar System Is Young?

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One of the most accepted hypothesis or theories in evolutionary science claim our solar system formed about 4.6 billion years ago. Many theories have been built around this assumption in order to make predictions of what is out there in space. On the other hand, the Biblical account implies a much younger solar system. Is there evidence for a young solar system? The answer is, “yes!” Evolutionary scientists call it a mystery while creation scientists call it a confirmation.

The old age framework claims an accretion disk appeared which gravity used to flatten into a spinning disk.  From this disk over millions of years they claim, gravity caused planets to form and other objects. Once it reached a certain level or point, the excess gas and dust dissipated and cleared away, leaving the solar system as we observe it today.


Proto-solar solar system accretion disk according to evolutionary theory

The disk, also known as a nebula, then becomes the source from which everything in our solar system was formed. However as science advances, evidence for a young solar system has been causing problems with this hypothesis.  Chemical-change is a good indicator on how old an object is. The Cassini mission with its probe has been one of the amazing tools for discovering what is going on in our solar system!

For one thing, Scientists who have been modelling Titan’s atmosphere have made calculations using old-age assumptions concluded that no methane should be present on Titan rather it should have been used up in the first tens of millions of years of the moon’s history. There is some replenishment going on with the methane which is evaporating off Titan’s surface but not enough to account for the amount detected by the Cassini probe.  There is a lot of chemical-changing activity going on which is why evolutionary scientists were surprised to find so much methane on Titan. Also, methane escaping Titan’s thick atmosphere into space lowers the ten million year range as well.

Read about more embarrassments for the  true believers in the solar system accretion disk theory at link:   
 
https://thebibleistheothe...ur-solar-system-is-young/
 

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Re: How Long Ago Were We Created?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2017, 01:57:40 pm »

Agelbert NOTE:Though it doesn't specifically say it, this video provides more evidence for a young Titan (i.e. Maximum age of in the millions of years, not billions of years  see previous post on this thread) This entertaining video provides some hard scientific facts about Titan (Earth like atmospheric pressure despite low gravity, 98% nitrogen atmosphere, THICKER atmosphere than earth - that WOULD HAVE BEEN LOST if this moon was billions of years old, size comparisons, etc.):


Swimming in Titan's Lakes

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Published on May 19, 2017

Titan, moon of Saturn, and is the second largest moon in the Solar System. It has an atmosphere, alive surface and seas and lakes made out of liquid methane and ethane. So then, what would swimming in these lakes be like? Watch the video to find out.

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