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Grace Adams

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Global Warming political obstacle to fighting
« on: June 11, 2014, 01:41:47 pm »
Replacing fossil fuel with renewable energy in 30, 20, 15, or even 10 years is certainly technically feasible.  Compared to burning every bit of fossil fuel left, it had better be economically feasible.  Main obstacle is political.  National government of United States is owned by too big to fail corporations including 12 too big to fail fossil fuel firms that still provide most primary energy used in US.  Major stockholders and high executives of our too big to fail corporations are our ruling class and just as much entitled to respect, power, and lion’s share of income, as old nobility in Europe ever was.

Much money will be needed for both renewable energy and coal as mineral rights to keep it underground.  Prohibitive tariff effect is needed both for emissions for incentive to reduce as much as soon as possible and for energy to reduce demand to what renewable energy will fit in space available.  From what Tom Rand said in “Kicking the Fossil Fuel Habit” c 2007, replacing fossil fuel fired electricity with renewable energy including a national smart electric grid to integrate wind and solar assuming prohibitive tariff effect of 70% tax to reduce demand 25% should cost between $4 and $5 trillion total.  I hope algal bio-fuels can replace petroleum starting sometime in 2020s for similar amount assuming prohibitive tariff effect of 25%. To reduce amount of reserves to buy, I recommend making a deal with our 12 too big to fail fossil fuel firms to put all small independent fossil fuel firms out of business by fiat (so too big to fail firms get their market share) in exchange for 5 years to phase in tax on emissions to $35/metric ton CO2eq= $116.67/short ton carbon content of coal before starting to buy coal as mineral rights. From 5th year also phase in tax on energy to bring total of both taxes to 70% of consumer spending on energy. And also demand electric utilities wait their turn for leases of renewable energy equipment, so replacement of fossil fuel with renewable energy will be orderly.  Since all 12 firms are publicly traded they must file P&L, so government can tell when their revenues and profits decline from taxes and renewable energy and start buying fossil fuel reserves to bring their sales up to business as usual.  In return, fossil fuel firms suspend exploration. 

Our too big to fail fossil fuel firms also need to be kept busy with tasks more constructive than extracting fossil fuel:  1) Starting this summer, use dredges and compressors mounted on barges towed by tugboats to capture as much as possible of methane leaking along coast of Alaska, and offer whatever technical assistance other nations with Arctic coasts will accept from us.  In winter rather than get frozen in, explore coasts of lower 48 states plus Hawaii and Puerto Rico for methane about to leak.  Government should buy most of it for strategic reserve to help stabilize price of both natural gas and US dollar.  Some of it can replace natural gas from fracked wells. 2) Drill wells and frack hot rock reservoirs for enhanced geothermal systems.  Since at greater depth and object is to extract heat, not fossil fuel, less chance of contaminating drinking water.  Once all top layers of hot rock reservoirs are done right, fossil fuel firm can deal direct with utility for re-drilling.  3) Drill nice tunnels (like Disneyland’s basement) for both desalinated seawater to adapt to drought and HVDC lines for national smart electric grid (to get them away from weather-related disasters).  4) When Algae Systems algal bio-fuels get almost cost competitive with petroleum products, fossil fuel firms should start operating Algae Systems modules leased from government and selling algal bio-fuels.  Once algal bio-fuels get fully cost-competitive with petroleum products, government should barter Algae Systems modules for tar sands reserves as mineral rights to get them off market. 
« Last Edit: June 11, 2014, 08:06:20 pm by AGelbert »

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Welcome Grace Adams.


This knowledgeable and down to earth realist who sees clearly the possibly insurmountable difficulties those of us, who want a viable biosphere for future generations, face, is a worthy and erudite advocate of what is possible and what is not. Listen to Grace Adams. She knows of what she speaks!


Thank you for your presence, Grace Adams.
                                                                       
 

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Grace,
I have an idea to spread your posts around the internet. I'm going to do my hour of walking exercise now but later I will link to your post a packaged link that you can provide a few different labels for and then post them in replies on Disqus. That way, more people can hear your voice. That will bring people here who want to comment on your views and you can have a sort of multifaceted blog right here with the rest of us. This is one time when we need more "cooks" to keep the "soup" from spoiling. ;D

I will explain the difference between forum code links and Disqus HTML if you are not versed in them. Every bit of truth we can get out there helps. 


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Grace Adams

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I don't even get html on Disqus.   Sorry to be such a luddite.  I am getting old and absent minded.

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Grace,
No problem.

Here's a quicky 5 minute course in posting a link to any post you make here to forum and or Disqus:

First, below is the link to your post:

http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/general-discussion/global-warming-polictical-obstacle-to-fighting/msg1348/#msg1348

Now, you could just slap that down directly on Discus comments or some forum but it looks kind of long. You want something short and snappy that will catch the eye and the interest of the reader.

This link below goes to your link in forum code:
Political Obstacles to Needed GW Actions


This below goes to your link in Disqus with the text "Political Obstacles to Needed GW Actions" (but any text, no matter how short or long will work). :

<a href="http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/general-discussion/global-warming-polictical-obstacle-to-fighting/msg1348/#msg1348"><b><i>Political Obstacles to Needed GW Actions  </i></b></a>

Make a wordpad document titles something like, "My posts" or "Today's posts". Copy the above format into it like several times like this:

<a href="LINK HERE"><b><i>TEXT HERE</i></b></a>

<a href="LINK HERE"><b><i>TEXT HERE</i></b></a>

<a href="LINK HERE"><b><i>TEXT HERE</i></b></a>

<a href="LINK HERE"><b><i>TEXT HERE</i></b></a>

<a href="LINK HERE"><b><i>TEXT HERE</i></b></a>

Then, every time you read something you like or post something that you want to disseminate, just insert the link in the canned format  and add eye catching text. You can then paste that in any Disqus comment. You save your document every day and you slowly build up a record of posts that you may remember to use another day to answer or educate someone on the internet. It saves a LOT of time.  ;) ;D

Don't hesitate to ask any questions. I, for example, still do not know how to do colored text in disqus but I can do just about everything in forum code.

In forum code, whenever you want to see the guts of the code of a post that has a link, just right click on the QUOTE button and OPEN IN NEW TAB. You can then copy and paste the code for a link to your "Today's Posts" wordpad document.

If you are interested in livening up forum posts with animated graphics, save the following link as a "How to" reference with lots of examples of snappy graphics ( ) :


http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/general-discussion/how-to-make-a-comic/msg1302/#msg1302
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Grace,
I just cooked up this idea to get people on board with the big push for 100% Renewable energy. Do you think it might catch on? If it does, there are T-shirts, sweat shirts, bumper stickers, posters, etc. that people can make to convince people that this is the way forward.


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I don't like coffee and don't drink it.  On my budget I buy hardly anything.  I am very much NOT a salesperson--no talent whatsoever for sales.  I feel the mug looks about as good as plastic coffee mugs in general.   I wish some organization sort of like 350.org would -- instead of just soliciting donations for street theater -- sell in honor donation announcement cards with a choice of e-card or snail-mail post-card and choice of some coal as mineral rights or being guaranteed that the donation would go to donor's choice of two or more kinds of renewable energy.  Care2 has a large assortment of cute e-cards for various occasions, mostly free for members to send.  I like the idea of combining a donation towards something that would actually do some good like buying fossil fuel as mineral rights to hold it off the market or buying some sort of renewable energy equipment to generate renewable electric power to help the poor either here or in the third world with an e-card that both entertains and informs the recipient about the issues.  Maybe that is because I have been volunteering at a non-profit doing back office clerical work mostly for the person in charge of fundraising and they accept in honor and in memory donations and have a fairly nice looking copy of their logo with an appropriate greeting printed on the back of the letter informing the person honored that the donor has donated some money to the organization in their honor.

 

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Grace,
I hear you and applaud your volunteering. I don't plan to sell coffee mugs.  ;D I'm just trying to get some way of putting (AND KEEPING) the pressing need for a 100% Renewable Energy Transition in the public eye. Remember that the fossil fuelers will always throw criticism of ANY industrial society product like a coffee mug or sweatshirt or whatever at us. Of course any product that pushes 100% renewable energy must be 100% recycleable and not harm the biosphere; that goes without saying.

You see, I am keenly aware of the tremendous power of advertising. It was used to make people smoke cigarettes, consume gobs of fossil fuels and buy into to the throw away, consumerist, waste based society that big business and the fossil fuel industry wanted with their planned obsolescence "business (planet trashing) model". I have studied the late nineteenth and early 20th century. Most of the truth about what they did and how they did it is out there but is NOT taught in the grade and high school history books. That's part of the reason I have this forum.

Well, advertising is a tool that has been used to harm the biosphere and make a few conscience free predators very rich. Advertising WORKS! That doesn't make the tool itself evil. That same tool, through its great power of persuasion, can be used to get us OFF of fossil and nuclear poisons. We are herd animals. Those of us that want a viable biosphere just need to figure out how to get that herd moving in the right direction.

We can do this as an adjunct to the kind of very valuable work you and people like you do in volunteering. I am pushing 70 and have a dual chamber pace maker. I can't go out there and rock and roll to change the world. BUT, I can write and put the positive, beautiful future we can obtain through renewable energy in people's minds with posters and whatnot. Graphics are a very important part of internet communication. It's part of our tool chest to bring positive change.

As to getting people to donate, I agree it is a good thing to do. However, I want to get people to stop our government from stealing from us. Here we are, "donating" 24/7 through fossil fuel and nuclear power plant subsidies of all kinds for WHAT!!? By reminding people of this day in day out, people, (most of whom are living hand to mouth and just go on a guilt trip when you ask them to donate because they are having enough trouble feeding their families as it is in our fascist oligarchical corporate state) see immediate value in doing SOMETHING they can do right away to change the planet destroying paradigm we are in. They will then start giving more importance to environmental issues in elections and at the workplace instead of fighting about wedge issues deliberately put out there to confuse and divide the public.

There is storm going on. Advertising is one the ports in that storm. Donations are good, but that will not stop the oligarchs; only massive rejection of their profit over planet policies will.

Do you drink tea? A tea mug works too!  ;D
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Grace,
I forgot to mention that 350.org is doing some creative fundraising. They set up a Climate Victory (Creatve Action Network) section based on a WWII type motif and asked people to draw posters and submit them. I'm not and artist but I sent in two posters. They sell them for $26 each and promise to pay the "artist" about $8. I'm not trying to sell you one!  ;D You can print the smaller versions from the gallery here free if they suit your fancy. You can also upload anything you want to the gallery, by the way. 

If you want see the way posters are advertised by Climate Victory, just go here (these are links to my two posters).
http://thecreativeactionnetwork.com/10540
http://thecreativeactionnetwork.com/10532

There are many excellent posters (that put mine to shame  :-[) from real artists there pushing Climate Victory. They also have art  for fighting pollution and other important social subjects. Check them out if you haven't done so.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2014, 03:17:57 pm »
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Re: Global Warming political obstacle to fighting
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2016, 08:06:00 am »
I wish one day the countries will fight for who has better controlled global warming that day human being will be safe.

 

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