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Eddie, you were raised in Texas with Christian doctrine and I was raised in Kansas with serious (walk the talk, not like most Catholics) Catholic doctrine.

Later on I went to an evangelical Christian church, learned sound doctrine, and observed while almost nobody followed it. They threw me out.  ;D
 
All of that is water under the bridge. You and I have seen first hand thoughout our lives how people cherry pick portions of the Gospel to suit their greed and their selfish needs.

That IS the issue with Chritianity. That is what causes so many people to walk away from these so-called "Christian" churches AND keeps a lot of Catholics in the fold, so to speak, because Catholicism focuses on the "we are all sinners and that's life" convenient cop out for egregiously routine sinful behavior with no attempt whatsoever to follow Chistian ethics, except with lip service.

Also, the nominal "Christian" evangelicals who claim they can party because it's all "under the blood" are in the exact same category of reprobates as most Catholics are.

What this teaching of Jesus Christ is all about, and as you know sticks in most people's craw, is that, without God's grace through the Holy spirit, you cannot walk the Christian talk.

Some people throw up their hands and say it is victim psychology and anyone with a minimum of pride and two brain cells to rub together should reject Christianity.

Yep, most people do that. And they DO THAT because human society celebrates the strength of human will, resolve, fortitude, and so on. It's important to have those qualities, but they are a stumblig block if they are the foundation of a person's personality. They MUST be secondary in the true Christian.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ makes it crystal clear that your will is not worth a tinker's damn. THAT really torques a lot of people who feel they can control their behavior and are ethical to the core. Well, they are full of pride, not ethics. They are fooling themselves (and a lot of other people too).

As humans, we can only judge the veracity or not of what people say they are with what they do. And even that is not totally reliable because sometimes people have a bad day and abuse those around them. So, we just try to get a general track record of what they do as it lines up, or not, with what they say.

BUT, we are NOT God. The instant we put ourselves in that role, as too many here routinely do, we are not going to be objective about what sinful behavior is and what it is not simply because God, by definition, DOES NOT SIN. At that point the person who fancies himself to "have the big picture", will use every bit of pretzel logic in existence from Machiavelli to Orwell to justify whatever he wants to do and condemn whoever he conveniently wants to condemn.

That's idolatry of the self. That is what most "Christians" in the USA DO. That is what atheist DO. That is what this country is all about! Christianity is a joke to most "Christians".

What God will do with this mess is His problem. My categorical imperative (apologies to Kant  ;D) as a Christian is to ask, each and every day, NOT what God can do for me, but what God wants me to do for Him. The INSTANT that God is not in the driver's seat of my decision making software, I am NOT a Christian, PERIOD.


My best understanding of Jesus I gained not from Texas doctrine, but from reading Yogananda, who completely GOT Jesus, imho. He was so interested in trying to explain Jesus to Americans that he wrote two whole books about it, neither of whom ever got much attention.




Was Yogananda a Christian? Specifically, did Yogananda believe that Jesus Christ was, and is, God? If not, Yogananda was focusing on the teachings, not the supernatural nature of grace and the action of the Holy Spirit. That is, again, the belief that humans can actually follow Christ's teachings by the force of their own "Godlike" will. Did Yogananda believe in Karma? Karma is a replacement for God's answer to sin without God. That is, quite frankly, a blasphemy if associated with Chritianity or Jesus Christ.

Gandhi, like you, said he liked Christianity (i.e. SOME, not all, of Christ's teachings) but wasn't too impressed with the unChristian behavior of Christians.

I respectfully, but totally, disagree with your definition of Christianity. Knarf, the Bhuddist, is quite Christian in his behavior towards fellow humans and the life forms around him. That does not make him a Christian.

Your behavior towards your neighbors is ethical and laudable, but that does not make you a Christian. I am sure Yogananda, if he lives still, is a principled human with laudable behavior. But as long he claims Jesus was not God, Yogonanda, like Gandhi, Knarf and you, is not a Christian. Monotheism is not negotiable in Christianity.
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