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Re: Darwin
« Reply #105 on: March 16, 2015, 07:15:33 pm »
JM, are you a fan of Nietzsche and/or Derrida? Your recent posts remind me of them.

Quote from: Joseph McCafferty link=topic=4400.msg70382#msg70382
When we judge other peoples judgements, we are being subjective. When we judge between good and evil, we are being subjective. But there is an objective behind our asking is something right or wrong, good or evil, to be or not to be? And that is, "Will this sustain me and what I want to do?"

I go on climate skeptics websites and read their thoughts and opinions and ask myself, "Why are people like this?" How can they just ignore all the evidence? Why are they being so aggressive to climate scientists? It's because they have stuff in their life that they want to sustain - like driving to a supermarket - or working in an oil refinery, because doing those things sustain them. So they accuse the climate scientists of being evil, or activists of trying to bring about a socialist world order, or any other accusation they can pull out of their ass
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No argument there. Willful ignorance is popular these days.

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That's just one example. Ask yourself what is good or evil in your own opinion? Everything evil is what is not going to sustain you. It could be anything detrimental to your life and health, it could also be anything that goes against what gives your life meaning or your beliefs.

To do or not to do? Some people commit suicide - some people commit murder. The objective is sustainability. A serial killer is trying to sustain what drives him. A FOREX trader is trying to sustain what drives him. A sociopath is trying to sustain what drives him. Inhofe is trying to sustain what he's trying to sustain. Good is what endures, but we can see there is no durability in the ways of psychotics. So many civilizations have fallen, because they rose by psychosis
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And that is another example of an objective moral judgment - selfish = bad. I don't agree that evil = what does not sustain me or my beliefs. My belief in God does not necessarily make me less prone to selfish behavior. I am capable of evil and do commit evil on a regular basis.

But that forces me to wonder, WHY am I so sure that my selfish behaviors are objectively wrong, instead of a product of my evolutionary, social and cultural "programming", and therefore something I shouldn't be too worried about. The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that there exists a transcendent being who sets the standard (or IS the standard by nature of his being), and my choices are judged against that standard.

I don't believe that what allows us to "endure" is the measure of what is good and what is evil, although it is generally true that evil behavior is long-term destructive to us and our environments.


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We are all asking, will this sustain me? We just differ in what we want to sustain, and how long for. It's why there is any disagreement at all.

Perhaps, but the issue is HOW we evaluate one person or group's opinion of what they want to sustain and for how long against another person or group's. If there is no way to objectively decide which opinion is superior, then all ethical judgments against climate deniers, murderers or anyone else are arbitrary.
Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:
For the Lord will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them. Pr. 22:22-23

 

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