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Re: Fossil Fuel Skulldugggery
« Reply #150 on: March 17, 2018, 02:06:09 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: The following article is excellent. It provides evidence of the stubborn, as well as stupid, internal combustion engine worshipping position of most, if not ALL, US gas guzzler manufacturers. The article exposes the breathtaking hypocrisy of lobbying the Trump Tool of the fossil fuel industry for lower fuel efficiency standards while claiming to "plan" to manufacture and market millions of EVs abroad.

The fossil fuelers 🦖 have always used greenwashing PR  to hide their continued support of the polluting profit over people and planet status quo.

Another example of ongoing greenwashing by these serial liars who profit from fossil fuels, not mentioned in this article, is the announcement by Statoil (the Norwegian Oil & Gas Giant) to change their name to Equinor using the rather threadbare justification of recent (but in comparison to oil & gas, token) investments in wind power.

I included the recent comments on the US polluting car manufacturers' hypocrisy article because they are even better than the article.  ;D

Automakers Tout Overseas EV Investments 😇, While Lobbying For Lower Fuel Standards In US 😈

March 17th, 2018 by Guest Contributor

Originally published on Nexus Media.

By Owen Agnew

SNIPPET:

In 2009, President Obama, flanked by auto executives in the White House Rose Garden, announced new fuel efficiency standards for automobiles. The new standards, which came on the heels of the auto industry bailout, had the support of carmakers. Dave McCurdy, then-president of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, an industry trade group, said in a statement that “what’s significant about the announcement is it launches a new beginning, an era of cooperation.”

Now, the Auto Alliance 😈 is lobbying the Trump 🦀 administration  🦖 to reevaluate  ;) the standards and delay the timeline for reaching future targets — even as automakers develop new electric cars to be sold overseas.

Full article:
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/17/automakers-tout-overseas-ev-investments-lobbying-lower-fuel-standards-us/

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Steve_S • 6 hours ago
"push for regulations that would bring the United States in line with Europe and China“

LMAO seriously, under Trump it will NEVER HAPPEN ! His belligerent disdain for everyone aside from the US is palpable just like how he believes that anyone making less than 1 million a year is a "Deplorable" and they are but chattel to me manipulated.

You can be certain that the Big-3 will again need bailouts and will have their hands out and fingers dipping into the public wallet because they sat on the sidelines in their own Home Market. I hope that their attempts in Europe & China actually fail and ultimately shoves them out to the fringes. Not because I want to hurt "people" working for these fossilized companies but because this is what these companies deserve for their ongoing part in gassing the world. Their duplicity should be the cause of their demise.


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Harry Johnson • 5 hours ago
Automakers need to prepare for their cigarette moment. Selling products harmful to people's health and the environment can no longer be morally justified. The LA area has seen harmful ozone levels rise over the last two years with 145 alert days. Burning bans are routinely enacted around the country on smoggy days, why should that exclude burning gas and diesel?


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BigWu Harry Johnson • 2 hours ago
Excellent post and interesting idea re extending burn bans to fuels!

If owners were banned from burning fuel nearly 1/3 of the time in car-loving LA, surely that would induce VERY rapid electrification of the fleet.

Furthermore, such a burn ban makes more sense IMO than year-round bans being proposed by some cities. It keeps it directly tied to health, thus avoiding silly flat earther and magical thinking counterarguments.


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exdent11 • 5 hours ago
U.S. car manufacturer executives have short memories. They got caught with excess inventory of gas guzzlers in 2008 and it is going to happen again. Some tech companies are going to produce affordable,low maintenance SUV and light truck electric platforms with superior performance and the American companies will be left behind.


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Fred exdent11 • 4 hours ago
Electric technology innovation will either be their savior or their killer. At this moment, it appears that FCA is a goner, and Ford and GM will end up being about 1/3 the size of today. The Asian and European makers have the same day of reckoning coming too, regardless of today's stance on fuel economy.


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Martin  exdent11 • 4 hours ago
Yes, just look what happened in Germany. The German post office wanted EV's, was told they could not be provided, so they build them themselves and are selling them as well. :)


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Steve_S  Martin • 4 hours ago
Maybe German Post could start it's own EV Company with partnerships with parts makers... Could be a great income source for the Post Office & Government too ! The German PO is still a Government operation right ?


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George Danchev Steve_S • 30 minutes ago
A small portion is owned by the government.


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Fred • 5 hours ago
Who cares if they relax fuel economy standards? The whole system is a mess anyway, especially in the US but even in Europe too, because various commercial vehicles get exempted or various sliding scales. Electric technology is preparing sweep the market due to the raw economics and raw performance, rendering all of these rules irrelevant anyway. Technology innovation and the free-market economics have proven to be a far more powerful a force than quotas etc in the fields of solar and wind generation; the economics of coal are killing coal, not quotas and restrictions for example. I'm optimistic that technology will quickly wipe out the combustion engine for ground transport, so none of this really matters.

Do we want to do something that will work and make a difference? Then apply fuel economy metrics and standards that will have a huge impact, then buildings should all be measured and get a performance rating for "mpg", like some European countries have begun to do. Every building, whether residential or commercial, should have a required energy performance evaluation at the time of construction, resale, or rental, with a roadmap to cover the entire inventory over several years. This area remains completely opaque to society and consumes vast amounts of hydrocarbons to heat and cool.


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Tony Reyes Fred • 41 minutes ago
Exactly my thoughts.


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Matt • 3 hours ago
So I guess Tom Stricker point is we need a massive raise in the fuel tax. Say increase $0.10/month for next 3 years. The would shape the demand better MPG vehicles so people will want to buy them. And we would not need to raise corp milage standards. Money raised can go to bridge repair, we are short at least $100B for that right now. Oh and the Highway Trust Fund is currently insolvent. We get a bite into the back long can move to improve mass transit. Once above $1/gal half the monthly raise can go to the state road fund. They can use it for their road costs, or mass transit, or EV infrastructure, or reduced their gas tax if they are hard headed.

PS: Yes a better plan would be $0.50 now and $0.05/month, but congress has refused for years to even talk about an increase. They just keep decreasing number of repairs and inspections.

PPS: Don't want to hear s h i t about it would hurt he poor. The poor are hurt much more but other regressive taxes. And since they don't own several large SUVs they are less impacted. We do some many mean and hurt things in this country and then say we can't fix it because it might hurt the poor. Instead let get off our collect asses and address the income inequality in the country. And saying we don't have to because Jesus said there would "aways be poor" is ....


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Fred Matt • 3 hours ago
This has certainly been the obvious technical and economic answer since the 1970s. Even a revenue-neutral gas tax would have helped greatly. I'm good at engineering and economics. Terrible at governing humans and politics, however and I don't see how this could ever fly.

Meanwhile, over in the fields of technical innovation, electric powertrains are going to decimate combustion ground transport due to superior economics and performance.


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steveb944 • an hour ago
And that's why the only American car I'll consider is Tesla, well the only car in general.


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Bugz • 44 minutes ago
End the 20 billion a year tax incentives for Oil and coal serving essentially as subsidies to the industry and let's see if it even holds up to what people would be required to pay at that point. Then I'd be all for removing any standards, but this will never occur because the forces of the global petrol dollar are shaking in their boots at the thought of losing their established and entrenched stranglehold on the global economies.


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sjc_1 Bugz • 18 minutes ago
If oil companies had to pay the real costs of oil and not get depletion allowances, they would operate more ethically. It is a co dependence that has gone on for more than 100 years.


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sjc_1 • 20 minutes ago
Sell a few thousand EVs in China while they 😈 sell a few million trucks and SUVs in the U.S.


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Ken Cova • 19 minutes ago
“Automakers Tout Overseas EV Investments, While Lobbying For Lower Fuel Standards In US”

Good reporting. It’s this sort of crap that gives Capitalism a bad name.

This is just one more example of why — as a people — we Americans need to be setting the boundaries and guardrails for the corporations, and not the other way around. The companies and their lobbyists need to be shoved back into their own lane, so they can concentrate on doing their businessy things, and so the rest of us can get on with running the place as we’re supposed to be doing.

The irony is that if the business community would just focus on actually doing business instead of trying to run our entire society they’d still manage to make oodles of cash. Having sensible guardrails to limit the damage that companies can do to people and places does nothing to inhibit their opportunity to make a buck.


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 https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/17/automakers-tout-overseas-ev-investments-lobbying-lower-fuel-standards-us/
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