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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2014, 02:55:01 pm »

Why Dr. Evil    Is Targeting Anti-Fracking Activists as ‘Big Green Radicals’ 


This is the FRUIT of BAD GOVERNMENT by

1) predatory,
2) conscience free ('liberated' from guilt feelings by the almighty Freud in order to avoid 'neurosis'),
3) social Darwinist,
4) game theory (cooperation is a guise to fool and destroy the competition) screwed up world view,
5) situational ethics (an oxymoron!),
6) if it feels good-DO IT
corporate consent manufacturing propagandists in the service of **** CANNED ETHICS for SHORT TERM PROFITS!

The SOLUTION lies in GOOD GOVERNMENT;
the PROBLEM is that CORPORATIONS ARE the present BAD GOVERNMENT!  They support imprisoning people that speak truth to power and giving the people the mushroom treatment for the same reason they ignore global warming and pollution:  **** CANNED ETHICS FOR SHORT TERM PROFITS!

As part of being responsible, caring human beings, we have to pressure our government to take major action to stop the degradation of the biosphere from climate change. This is causing death and disease to both domestic animals and wildlife, all of which have done nothing to deserve such a horrible fate at our hands. It's time to eliminate the excuse our fossil fuel loving oligarchy uses for "resources" wars for oil that bring nothing but misery to us and profits for them.

I started a petition on Care2: Demand Liberty From Fossil Fuels Through 100% Renewable Energy WWII Style Effort. I'm hoping that if enough people sign my petition, we can make a difference. I have over 400 signatures. Once I reach 500, Care2 will publicize it more. Will you help me collect more by adding your name?

Here's a link to the petition (You can sign anonymously if you have privacy concerns):  http://www.thepetitionsite.com/420/529/456/demand-liberty-from-fossil-fuels-through-100-renewable-energy-wwii-style-effort/

Thank you and please pass it on. The biosphere you save may be your own.
 

Here's a link to the petition (You can sign anonymously if you have privacy concerns):  http://www.thepetitionsite.com/420/529/456/demand-liberty-from-fossil-fuels-through-100-renewable-energy-wwii-style-effort/

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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2014, 08:00:27 pm »
Texas lobbying group busted for phony anti-solar campaign 


SNIPPET:

If you want to see just how low utility companies will stoop to try to turn public opinion against rooftop solar energy, just look to Wisconsin. There, as in other states, utility companies have been pushing to increase households’ fixed monthly energy costs, arguing that rate hikes are needed because of solar “net metering” policies.  

Full story here:

http://grist.org/climate-energy/texas-lobbying-group-busted-for-phony-anti-solar-campaign/
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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2014, 07:27:58 pm »
11/25/2014 02:41 PM     
Petroleum Front Groups Focus on Pacific Northwest Next Year

SustainableBusiness.com News

The Koch Brothers and their peers in the petroleum industry pretty much own the USA now  >:( - with Republican majorities in both houses of Congress and in 30 states - Wow.   :(

 But so far, they haven't managed to squash renewable energy even with their best efforts. They plan to try even harder next year, with Americans for Prosperity and others leading the charge to eliminate or weaken state Renewable Portfolio Standards, Efficiency Standards, and getting people to pay for using solar (instead of being paid through net-metering). On the federal level, they are already hard at work making sure the wind production tax credit doesn't get renewed, but Keystone does.

In California, the powerful Western States Petroleum Association (WSPA) is leading the effort  to turn residents against renewable energy and prevent the state's watershed climate plan (AB32) from being fully implemented.

They better hurry. In January, transportation fuel providers join power plants, cement factories and other big polluters in California's successful cap-and-trade program. They will either have to lower emissions at refineries or pay for the right to pollute the air.

Leaked Internal Presentation 

A leaked internal presentation reveals their coordinated campaign among at least 15 front groups that extends to Oregon and Washington. They operate under names like California Drivers Alliance, Californians Against Higher Taxes, Fed Up at the Pump, Oregonians for Sound Fuel Policy, Save Our Jobs and Washingtonians for Sound Fuel Policy.

Koch - CA Front Groups 

"WSPA's new crop of front groups and the campaign behind them is indeed impressive. They are attacking climate and clean energy policies - both existing and under development - in California, Washington, and Oregon. They are engaging (and in some cases pretending to speaking on behalf of) consumers, launching petition drives, tracking and attending every policy and public forum, funding reports designed to back their interests, backing or attacking elected leaders to influence politics, and running aggressive and misleading ad campaigns. Since 2009, the oil industry has reported spending over $70 million on lobbying in California alone.

If only they showed the same determination and innovation in cleaning up their operations and developing clean energy alternatives for their customers," says Merrian Borgeson, Senior Scientist, Energy and Transportation, for Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC).

"The environmental community is used to sky-is-falling analysis from fossil fuel interests in response to clean energy initiatives, so that part isn't surprising," Tim O'Connor, a senior attorney at the Environmental Defense Fund, told Bloomberg Businessweek. "But it's eye-opening to see the lengths [the WSPA] has gone to push back rather than move forward. I don't think anybody knew how cross-jurisdictional, cross-border, and extensive their investment is in creating a false consumer backlash against climate legislation."

 And if they can do it California, where 70% of residents are on-board, they can do it anywhere... which is their plan.


Read our article, How Did ALEC Fare in the Midterm Election?

Read NRDC's report, Unmasked: The Oil Industry Campaign to Undermine California's Clean Energy Future:

 
Website: www.nrdc.org/energy/oil-industry-undermining-california-clean-energy.asp

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/26025

Agelbert NOTE: These fossil fuel predatory FOSSILS DO NOT GET The FACT that we-the-people are tired of their fascist profit over people and planet "fun".  But they will...


Renewable energy=                                 =Fossil Fuelers


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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2014, 02:28:32 am »
Agelbert NOTE: What to expect from the main stream media in the next six months in regard to the EFFECTS of low Oil Prices on different countries in the world that ARE on the USA's HIT ( as in ) list:


MY cup overrunneth.  ;D
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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2014, 08:03:47 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsgrahFln0s&feature=player_embedded

Amory Lovins exposes, WITH MATH, why fossil fuels, because they COST MORE than Renewable Energy, should be a LAST resort, (about 5% or less, if at all) for the electrical grid.

He also exposes the MYTH that fossil fuels are "reliable". Beyond the routine maintenance required of all fossil fuel and nuclear power plants that REQUIRE multiples of them in the grid for reliability, he shows how power plants can, and DO, fail routinely within milliseconds, causing load balancing problems that are EASIER (more cheaply) HANDLED with redundant Renewable Energy systems than redundant coal and nuclear power plants.


Pass it on. Call BS on the fossil fuel perfidious propaganda that Renewable Energy is not reliable. It is, IN FACT, MORE RELIABLE to run our grid on them than with dirty energy!  :o   
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Leaked Internal Presentation Details the Oil Industry's Campaign to Stop Clean Energy
Merrian Borgeson, NRDC
December 03, 2014

Agelbert NOTE:
It's a great article. However, the title needs to be corrected in order to enlighten readers about what is PAR FOR THE COURSE for fossil fuelers for the last CENTURY: Leaked Internal Presentation Details the Oil Industry's Campaignonspiracy to Stop Clean Energy


Fossil fuel fascist MKing Propagandist types

SNIPPET:
The Western States Petroleum Association (WSPA) — whose members include Chevron, ExxonMobil, Shell, ConocoPhillips, BP, and others — was caught red-handed late last month when a leaked internal presentation revealed a coordinated campaign to stomp out climate and clean energy progress in California, Oregon and Washington by propping up  :evil4: over 15 front groups that purport to represent the views of concerned citizens and the broader business community.

The leak comes on the heels of NRDC’s report released this month, which unmasked eight of the front groups that are campaigning against California’s climate and clean energy laws, as having direct ties to the oil industry.

Fortunately, Californians have shown they can see through Big Oil’s smoke and mirrors tactics. In 2010, voters rejected an oil-funded ballot measure to derail the state’s pioneering clean energy law, AB 32, by a margin of more than 2 to 1. And just recently, Chevron’s $3 million campaign to influence the outcome of the city of Richmond’s local elections (which just happens to be the home of a Chevron refinery) completely backfired.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/12/leaked-internal-presentation-details-the-oil-industrys-campaign-to-stop-clean-energy


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The comments are WORLD CLASS! Please note that some commenters are not native English speakers so ignore the nunc pro tunc grammar errors.  8)
 
William Fitch III
December 3, 2014
Hi: First:

"WSPA’s new crop of front groups and the campaign behind them is indeed impressive. "

I would not use the word impressive to describe (and yes I "get" the context) people who are involved with being a traitor to humanity, literally. Labeling them traitors or environmental terrorists may seem harsh and out on a limb, but even at that level of verbiage, the words fall far short of the REAL act they are involved in.

The Nazies set the Reichstag fire, the US complicity in the Gulf of Tonkin not to mention our desire to create the whole Indochina war express, 9/11's events (one doc worth viewing out of all the krap is, "9/11: The press for Truth", print version, "The Terror Time line) on and on... why do people seem to find it necessary, to be surprised at what the desire/keeping of wealth and power will do to the rest of humanity who do not sit at their table?

Edward Snowden (CitizenFour) basically gave up his life, to reveal something that is/should have been blatantly obvious as being the current state of affairs for the USA and tagged business linked governments, for anyone who has even a light understanding of what the advent of a digital world would mean vs analog.

Anyway, let's not use possible words of praise or surprise (OMG), every time one of these associations finds itself in print.

After all, it is a given.... or as they say in finance, its already baked in..

PJ van Staden
December 4, 2014
The welfare of society was always the alibi of tyrants      , ...talking about  wolves in sheep clothing.     

Do you now understand why I keep pushing that the renewable industry should do more to get the general public educated? Can you see what these fossil incumbents' fear is? Can you see that they are doing the very thing I'm preaching to the renewable industry?

They know that all their money cannot save them from public protest , which politicians cannot ignore, because politicians' very survival depend upon popularity amongst the broad public.

And if it does get ignored, they know it will transform into violent resistance  , and that is the last thing they want, because then they lose whatever control they think they have, and the foundations of their empires start crumbling away.

But if the public is not aware of, and have no knowledge of the REAL reasons why we should go renewable, then power will remain within the realm
of the psychopathic (diminished empathy and no conscience) few, for them to continue manipulate and destroy our existence as they wish and please, all in the name of, and for the sake of, financial greed only. These bastards are blind. They WILL NOT, AND NEVER WILL, understand any reason behind moral decision making if it implies any reduction in the dollar wealth of their small isolated circle.

These WSPA-backed groups should now be exposed to the public as part of an awareness program of the renewable industry. Use these fossil incumbents' own filthy tactics to work against them. Reveal their "alibi" to the people. Those groups are kept in the dark and most people associated with them will dissociate themselves once they begin to see the truth.

Is the truth about our climate, our earth's health, our very survival, not in favor of renewables? Won't it boost the industry?

Can you see the change happen in state subsidies when a whole nation expect his leaders to rule in favor of life, and those leaders know that the nation is aware of, and possess the knowledge of, and expect them to do so?

They get away with murder because we sit idle and wait for santa claus to do something about it. Politicians are voted into power to serve you, my dear friend, not to rule you. Why do you think they rule, and you accept it like that? Its because you have been brainwashed by a little group of psychopaths to believe what they want you to believe. Wake up, stand up, and claim your right to live! Those bastards' money are not going to buy your kids a new climate and a life when nature's photosynthesis process start to collapse! Do you then want to look your sons and daughters in the eyes and say "SORRY"!!!!??

...*!#"x!!!!!

John Nistler

December 4, 2014
Anyone who did not expect a battle or war between the fossil fuel industry and renewable energy must not be experienced with history. Any entrenched group tends to fight against loosing the control, power and income that they maintain. If you have spent 30 years drilling for oil, its difficult for you to see it becoming more difficult to sale your product.

The only real impact that lower fuel prices have directly on renewable energy is to reduce the emphasis for public and electric transportation. Public transportation should be able to stand on its own due to reduced highway maintenance and vehicle costs, reduced air pollution and reduced traffic frustration. The BART in California is a good example of what can be done. Millions move around the south San Francisco Bay area on the BART tram and bus system. Cost of Maintenance per person mile is significantly lower with the BART than with the highways. The DART in Dallas is also a very good example and the Bus System in Fort Worth. Both operating successfully for over 20 years in the middle of oil rich Texas. Traffic and air quality is what sold those systems. 

Job 001

December 4, 2014
Nasty FF/utility tactics noted or to be watched;
Constrained Freedom of Speech by excess moderation of alternate views - noted by Brian and others, example Energy Collective.
Defunding innovative RE - routine in research.
Routine blog overload i.e. utility trolls/obsolete misinformation.
Corrupt Government grant funding and law favoring FF energy subsidy.
News media concentrated ownership by FF troglodytes.
Science like Government "Bought and paid for".
William Fitch III
December 4, 2014
Hi: ...as has, the true concept of telling a lie, along with Ethics, Integrity and ones true beliefs as in sticking to them despite public opinion....

.....Bill

Brian Donovan
December 4, 2014
We need to wake up the sheep. Most folks still do not comprehend and reject the reality that all trillion dollar industries spend billions of dollar per year on pr and influence. They can buy almost anything, anyone, and create alternate realities using the corporate media and fraudulent web sites.

The concept of fraud as a crime has vanished in the USA.

Grace Adams

December 4, 2014
I suspect our federal government will need to both find and prove a renewable energy substitute for oil and practically give it to our ten too big to fail oil firms AND also tax all energy regardless of carbon footprint and devote the revenue to buying fossil fuel reserves as mineral rights to get it off the market in order to sufficiently bribe our too big to fail fossil fuel firms to get out of the way. Joule Unlimited with its GE microbes producing ethanol, gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel might be a suitable renewable substitute for petroleum if it really can get its cost down to $1.20/gallon.

William Fitch III

December 4, 2014
Hi: Grace, you cannot bribe a bottomless pit... you might as well say I am going to end infinity. There is never enough!! That is the whole point! That is why a serial killer kills, and keeps killing... just one more murder will due, but it doesn't... he (Usually) needs to keep killing and killing.. even though he knows it will very most likely mean his own death eventually, he keeps killing... sound familiar... the act of consumption becomes its own reward...

The "Welfare" of Society has always been the alibi of tyrants part 2 of 2
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PJ van Staden
December 4, 2014
This cry doesn't go unheard. That you can believe. As much as the sheep will be awakened, so much members amongst the wolves themselves will be enlightened. And so more will leak out. And there is nothing which is hidden, that will not be revealed.

Their eyes follow these words as much as anyone else's does. That I know for sure, for I also know that they are just as much in search of the wisdom to better understand the truth behind this life as everyone else do, because sensing a glimpse of the existence of this truth is a given within all, and curiosity within humans has always survived formal teaching, tradition, believes, and cultures. And this wisdom is far out of reach from that which money buys you.

But in order to make sense of this truth not understood, fiction is created within the grasp of his intellectual capacity and lived as if it is a truth. By nature the story would then, as expected, revolve around the protagonists, and in ignorance it is then so schemed and set up. But this fallacious assurance of a so called perceived reality is not going to last. Leakage of information is the evidence of enlightenment within the circle amongst those who become more aware of the real truth. So, here is to the ones who will not understand;

The call of truth shall not be ignored, not even by you masters of lies yourselves, for it contains an inherent pattern embedded within the anatomy of all living from which life cannot separate itself. And if you know how to seek for it, you will find it, see it, and then begin to understand who you really are, and how indifferent you really are.

Why would you build anything not to fulfill or accomplish the purpose you build it for? Why would you build a car to take in fuel, and for the fuel to flow through the engine, work the engine, turn the wheels, but then expect the car to be stationery while the wheels are turning, and never to take you anywhere? Because that is exactly what you are doing if you think (or believe) that everything stop when you die. Nothing stops when you die, and here is for your consideration, a pattern that doesn't lie, a truth that speaks for itself, and always tell the same thing over and over again. Its this very truth you sense a glimpse of on the inside, but choose to act against all of the time;

All living organisms, plant, animal, human, virus and bacteria, take in energy and transform it into another form of energy that flows out from it. You eat and drink energy, then transform it into the things (works) you do. So does all other life. And so does everything you build. You create by that very nature, that very pattern. It is engraved into you, and into everything else as well. And it stays a standard, a constant, always. Its is what you are part of. Energy taken in is always flowing out in another form. It is a law you cannot change.

Now, do you think the earth is any different? Do you think the earth would still have lived if all who came in from the beginning, plant, man, and animal, never died? All life come into this earth as energy, does it's work, and flow out in a different form again. Its the same thing. The same pattern. The same truth. The same message. Everywhere around you. It is how everything works. You are at the moment like the fuel in the car. Once you have burned out (done your work) carbon will be left behind (your body), but your energy will flow out in a different form (motion of car). And you know that. You know very well that you will not live here in this body of yours forever. How many years have you got left over at most?

Your purpose is to allow life, not to kill. Energy is brought in to make work, not to end. But it is this knowledge you lack while the truth speaks all around your blindness, or at least up until your reading here now. How far does money's rescue reach? For it forms no part of your energy flowing out of here. But money surely achieved something. It succeeded in making you take this life very shallow and meaningless. But its not so. Not at all.

Like I said, everyone read these words.

.....Bill

Gerry Wootton
December 6, 2014
If you're an energy supplier, efficiency, conservation, self-production and alternative energy are all threats to the bottom line. First, profit is based on sales volume - reduced demand == reduced profit. Second, reduced demand == lower selling price == reduced profit.

Only alternative energy provides an option for energy suppliers but if that alternative is lower cost, again there is less profit to be had. Also, currently fossil fuel based energy suppliers have so many special deals that they have hundreds of pages of tax codes, environmental, safety and commercial regulations all their own: enterprises that supply insulation or heat pumps should be envious. However you slice it, this is a lot to give up. While they promise low energy prices, they sorrow whenever consumer prices actually go down.


PJ van Staden

December 6, 2014
Gerry, you are right. But when the oil folks themselves decide to lower their price by not reducing their pumped quota, I guess they bet on increased volume sales, especially with the festive season coming up. It also offers them the opportunity to sell as much as possible of their black death, as quickly as possible, before getting put out of business all together by alternatives. We should all actually stay home this festive season, unless you got an electric vehicle.

PJ van Staden

December 6, 2014
@ MARIA KITTY

You're a worse lier than a politician. Take your scam to the oil industry's websites. Maybe they will believe you! The people here are too smart for your criminal type.

Agelbert NOTE: Maria Kitty's MKing style perfidy was removed by Renewable Energy World Staff.


pascal molineaux
December 6, 2014
AND they will insist that they are for "free markets" (politically rigged to favor them).... AND they will say they want "energy independence" - which explains their fight against locally-produced, decentralized energy and their full-blown enthusiasm for the Keystone XL pipeline.... I don't get it. I guess they are just very comfortable with open-mouthed lying! Enough nonsense.

Frank Berry
December 7, 2014
Chancelor Merkel has set the new "inertial" standards for the world by taking Nuclear off line and now even one of Germanies largest coal producing companies is switching to 'renewables' as a way to amend their' losing share strength....

Of course,...the US will never lead in anything, as we're by far,...the largest polluters with China now. We need in invest in Gigawatt farms for solar...have the ability to make money with
"home grown utilities" and move forward to 50% sustainable by the end of 2030.

Our homes, are getting smaller,...our garage interfaces can have solar to fuel our cars; getting 100 miles gallon easily now....so...let's stop the sh*t and get moving NOW,...while some of the earth can still repair itself.

Gary Hild
December 7, 2014
Should anyone even think that the oil companies will give up the huge profits even when the world is at stake. They will lie even more because there are some people that believe a lie that is told loud enough and often enough must be true, but that does not make it more truthful, just a louder lie.

Gerry Wootton
December 9, 2014
An analogy from real life: A friend of mine tried to take some ice cream away from a tame bear. The bear turned out to be less friendly than he generally let on and things didn't go so well for my friend. After a great deal of persuasion and coercion, the bear finally let my friend have his hand back ... but he kept the ice cream! [/i]

PJ van Staden
December 9, 2014
Gerry, the bear also have weaknesses, of which the greatest his greed (and love) for the ice cream. Your friend's strategy just wasn't the right one. If he observe carefully, he will see how weak the ice cream makes the bear. 

PJ van Staden

December 10, 2014
The difference between us, people, and them, psychopaths, is that people have empathy with one another and with all other forms of life. Psychopaths don't possess this human characteristic. People have a conscience about their actions taken.

Psychopaths don't possess this human characteristic. They find within themselves no human worth, neither any value in compassion. They have no measuring stick by which they can define their inner strength. To them, it is non-existent. And therefore they cannot bear the truth of life. They simply do not have that courage. They are cowardness in its extreme form. The only means, and worth, by which they can define who they are, is the terms "balance sheet" and "bank account."

If that fall away, nothing of them is left behind. Then they carry no worth to society. They become obsolete to life itself. And they are aware of this. They know it. And for this very reason they are easily frightened, and does fear have no struggle to infest their being.

It is the only reason why they are prepared to pay big money to turn political favor towards them, because how else will they save themselves from that notion of emptiness inside them? To them the only defense for survival is to gain more and more without end.

It fills them with a sense of power which secures their existence. But, had they only have known. Had they only have realized. That their very existence balance on the longevity of human patience, which in turn determines the extend of tolerance granted to them.

Their empires shall not prevail. Money strength will not save them. They have made the mistake to take this false sense of power which they believe they possess, for granted. And they have grown so blind that they do not even see what is already happening all around them.

The moment of their revelation will hit like an unsuspected thief in the night. They will not be prepared. And glory will go to the ones who have set them, and have kept them, on their thrones all of the time. The ones with whom the real and greater power have been all along.

illiam Fitch III
December 10, 2014
Hi: Gary Hild, exactly right. Also it has been shown time and time again, that the loss of wealth, like in 1929 or 2008 will drive the previous owners of it to kill themselves. SO, wealth entities have set the bar on the value of such. How can we expect to take it away for less....

.....Bill

Dave Morgan
December 17, 2014
Not only psychopathic, but suicidal. If we don't embrace sustainability on a global scale we will perish as a species...and it'll happen so fast there won't be time to fill out an application to put homo sapiens on the Endangered Species List. The hard lesson is...human beings are not innately rational at all levels. Within their small "life bubble" they're rational as the dickens. But outside that bubble they inflict death and destruction which doesn't bother their conscience one bit. The psychopathy kicking in.

A. G. Gelbert 
 December 20, 2014

I just want to give a big THANK YOU to the plethora of intelligent, observant, perspicacious, honest, erudite and caring commenters that shine a bright light on the Fossil Fuel Fueled Fascist Perfidy.

These penetrating comments that, by clearly defining the crux of our problem, lead the way to a solution, should be required reading in every single high school and college in the world in general and the USA in particular, especially in the engineering curriculum vitae that has so contributed to the wasteful and inefficient use of energy in our civilization to the detriment of the biosphere.   

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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2015, 10:38:27 pm »
Agelbert NOTE: This excellent article counters the fossil fuel industry inspired lies, deliberate distortions and mendacious myths about Renewable Energy. Yes, it is limited to Australia, but everything said here applies even more in the USA.

Myth Busters: the top 4 myths about renewable energy debunked!

By Marianne Graham on 18/11/2014 in Campaigns, Other Ethical Stuff

Here at Ethical Switch, we thought it might be fun to channel Adam and Jamie from the TV show “Myth Busters” and do some myth-busting about renewable energy. Unfortunately, I don’t get to have as much fun as they do on the show by blowing things up, but I have bravely and intrepidly scanned the internet for the most common myths about renewable electricity and condensed them into 4 assumptions that people use to put a dampener on renewable energy.

So here we go – The Top 4 Myths About Renewable Electricity, debunked!

1. Renewable electricity is more expensive than coal and gas fired electricity
 

This myth is probably the most common and the most damaging to the renewable energy industry so we shall tackle this one head on.

Most people think that if something comes from renewable (read: better for the environment), then it therefore must be more expensive than coal produced energy. This is actually not true. While, it does cost money to build the wind turbines or to produce and install the solar panels, as technology has improved, the cost of building these have reduced dramatically over the past decade.

But you don’t need to take our word for it. There have been recent studies done on the cost of renewable energy versus new plant coal-fired generation. A study by Bloomberg New Energy Finance showed that the cost of renewable energy is now $80/MWh versus the cost of new build coal fired generation of $143/Mwh and new build gas fired generation of $116/MWh.


Michael Liebreich, Chief Executive of Bloomberg New Energy Finance stated “The perception that fossil fuels are cheap and renewables are expensive is now out of date”.

If you’d like to read more about this study, then click here

Why is this the case? Well, it seems that apart from the diminishing cost of wind and solar technologies, the financing cost of a new coal plant has increased as banks attach a risk-premium due to the reputational damage of emissions-intensive investments.   Additionally, the actual input cost of wind and solar is zero while fossil fuels still incur a cost to mine and transport it to the generator.

Add on top of this, any carbon emissions cost that will be imparted onto fossil fuel emissions and it is easy to see why this myth is busted! 

While the study does include the cost of carbon emissions, it showed that even without this cost included, the cost of renewable energy is still 14% less than new build coal and 18% cheaper than new build gas fired generation.

2. Purchasing renewable electricity doesn’t help the environment because you can’t tell where the electricity coming into your house is from.

This is probably the second most common question our intrepid team here at Ethical Switch gets asked, and the actual answer to this myth is…. it’s true AND false! How’s that for confusing?

It is true that there is no way to know what source the electricity entering your residence through the poles and wires is from, but this is only part of the myth so not the end of this story.

This myth is also false, because it still does assist the environment to “buy” renewable electricity – read on to see why.

The best way to understand the electricity industry in Australia is to think of the analogy of a swimming pool with 10 people standing at one end of the pool, each with a water hose, filling the pool and at the other end, 10 people taking water out of the pool with separate hoses.

In this analogy, the swimming pool and hoses are the transmission and distribution grid and the water in the pool is the electricity flowing through the grid. The 10 people filling water are the various generators – coal, gas, wind, solar, hydro etc. supplying electricity into the grid and the 10 people taking water out are the houses and businesses consuming electricity. As someone taking water out of the pool, there is no way for me to know from which hose (or energy source) the drops of water I am consuming come from as its all mixed up in the swimming pool.

Hopefully, that analogy made sense to you. On to the false part of this myth.

Although a customer doesn’t know from where his electricity is sourced, by buying renewable electricity, your dollars are going towards suppliers of renewable electricity, thereby encouraging more electricity production from these renewable suppliers.

Back to my pool analogy: If I am consuming water and only pay one of the people filling the pool for my water this means he has to put more water in – either by getting a bigger hose or increasing the speed of his water flow – for what he’s been paid. The same principle works for electricity.

By purchasing through Ethical Switch and putting money into a renewable electricity supplier, you are effectively investing into renewable generation, thereby reducing the need for coal or gas fired generation.

Since, the main part of this myth is about the benefit or purchasing renewable electricity, we have shown that overall; it is actually beneficial to purchase renewable electricity, therefore…

This myth is busted!


3. Renewable electricity is bad for the environment
 

This myth encapsulates the various complaints that people (often farmers whose land the wind farm is going onto) make about wind farms and solar panels.   These are the killing of bats and birds; noise pollution; land use and footprint of renewables.

When wind farms are planned, the environmental impact assessment and migrationary patterns of birds are researched so as to minimise any damaging impact.   This should also be looked at in the context of other sources of electricity. Research shows that fossil fuel and nuclear power both kill more birds than wind power generation. If you’re interested, see the link here.

Studies have shown that noise complaints, especially those related to wind farms, are often unrelated to actual noise. In most cases it was found that people were actually opposed to the farms on aesthetic grounds – which would be the same with coal or nuclear plants. It was also found that ‘noise’ complaints dropped off rapidly when local communities derived income from the renewable energy projects in question.

International experience has shown that wind farms do not affect land use and that livestock are completely unaffected by wind turbines and will graze right up to the base of the turbines. As for the footprint of renewable energy, unlike coal and nuclear energy, renewable energy pays off its carbon footprint relatively quickly.

4. Renewable electricity can’t fully supply the electricity demand in Australia 24/7
 

This myth is borne from the fact that obviously, both solar and wind power are dependent on their fuel sources being available – namely the sun and wind so at night and when the wind doesn’t blow, one might assume that we would always need to be reliant on coal and gas fired sources of electricity. 

Again, this myth needs to be busted. Germany is among a number of countries, currently increasing their reliance on renewable energy. During the first half of 2014, 31% of its electricity was produced from renewable energy (see source) and in one particular period in 2014, 75% of Germany’s electricity was produced by renewables.

It has been shown by international experience that diversifying the supply across various renewable sources and building wind farms at diverse geographic locations to obtain the most constant supply of wind, that it is theoretically possible to supply all of a country’s electricity demand from renewable sources. Other renewable sources that can be used to supply electricity include hydro, wind, solar, bio-gas, low-cost thermal storage and concentrated solar thermal power. These are just some of the ways that we would be able to supply our demand 24/7 via renewable sources.

Combine this with further efficiency improvements from the demand side, and there is no reason that, over time, we will not be able to supply Australia’s electricity demand via renewable sources.

A more in-depth article on this topic is located here.

So, once again we find that this myth is busted!
   

I hope you’ve enjoyed our little Myth Busting journey and it provides some eye-opening information for all our readers!

Now you know the truth, why not make the switch to renewable electricity in support of some amazing not-for-profits today?

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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2015, 03:56:30 pm »
This post is divided into 3 parts due to max size of post limitations. It was originally one post on the Doomstead Diner Forum (Agelbert's Newz Channel).

I've been thinking about the onslaught of Alzheimer's  ;) he has had lately in regard to Nicole Foss's history of support of fossil fuels and, despite her CYA talk about Faustian bargains and such with fracking and tar sands in 2011 and 2012, her SUPPORT for those technologies by awarding them EROEI numbers ABOVE 1:1. The instant she did that, she signaled to investors, as a credentialed energy expert, that they could MAKE MONEY off of them. THAT is SUPPORT, in my book. 

I do believe the old boy has the same crush on her that another Doomstead Diner (Golden Oxen) I have gone round and round with has.

So, here's a stroll down memory lane for Ka.

Two sides of Nicole Foss's mouth:
The "I'm not happy with this" side showing much concern for humanity after paragraph after paragraph of IGNORING global warming and GLOSSING OVER the enormous environmental damage the fracking causes:
Snippet From "Fracking Our Future" by Nicole Foss (crocodile tears are in evidence).
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Given the poor economics and low EROEI of shale gas in general. It is very difficult to argue that fracking, particularly in areas like the Marcellus Shale, makes sense. Unconventional gas is far from being a clean fuel when the whole lifecycle is considered. In fact considering the substantial potential for releases of fugitive methane emissions, one cannot even argue that unconventional gas is an improvement in comparison with burning coal when it comes to climate impact, let alone an improvement on other environmental fronts.

Shale gas is simply another Faustian bargain that humanity should not be making. We run substantial long term risks, which we socialize, for the sake of short term private profits.

This is the typical human modus operandi, but it is high time we learned from our mistakes.
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/07/july-19-2011-fracking-our-future.html

HELLO? Who is "TRYING TO ARGUE" that Fracking makes sense? The ARGUMENT is not about "sense", dear. The ARGUMENT is about ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE COSTS. You just FLAT REFUSE to QUANTIFY THAT!  :emthdown:

Some compassionate words about  fracked gas not being an improvement over the damage of coal to the climate (without COST NUMBERS) DOESN'T CUT IT.

Now for the other side of her mouth.  THAT IS, whenever a Credentialed Energy Expert SAYS the EROEI of WHATEVER is ABOVE 1:1, they are engaging in DE FACTO support of said technology. They are TELLING investors that the technology is PROFITABLE. If Ka does not define that as support, it is due to his hairsplititis, an occupational hazard of self described scholars everywhere. 

In 2012 she wrote an article with lots of graphs showing the EROEI of Fracked gas to be ABOVE 1:1. I wrote and told her that fracking was an obscenity. I cannot find the article or my comment. If anyone can find it, please post it HERE. I will not hold my breath waiting for Ka to do it.

I went back to comment on another article in the hopes of getting that "energy" expert to understand that pushing fossil fuels as "cheap" was inaccurate (i.e. the energy RETURN is LESS than that INVESTED so the number must be, for example 1: 0.1) when the climate costs are figured. The whole point (that she has ALWAYS danced around) was to tell her that externalized costs are real and they MUST be figured in the EROEI.
Ilargi, another one of Ka's pals(?),  took care of THAT:
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July 9, 2012 at 3:48 am #4515 
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
Agelbert,
I deleted your obviously far too lengthy comment from this thread. Left it on the other thread for now. I thought I had been clear before. Apparently not. Any additional comments like this will be deleted. This is a forum for everyone, and it’s not to be bogarted.
http://www.theautomaticearth.com/peak-oil-a-dialogue-with-george-monbiot/#ixzz20DL0Ft2s

I wrote the Open Letter in 2013 (a year later). I showed conclusively how her predictions had NOT panned out and how her SUPPORT of technologies like tar sands and fracking (by ASSIGNING them EROEI numbers ABOVE 1:1 was bad for the  climate and beneath her as an "Energy" expert. I was polite, as Ashvin had requested me to be in PM's when we discussed it. She never answered.  :emthdown:

When I posted the letter HERE on the Doomstead Diner, the SILENCE was DEAFENING. Ka was not interested in talking about it. Neither was anybody else. And Foss was CERTAINLY NOT interested in eating crow. So it goes.

SNIPPET from the letter hi-lighting the OTHER side of Nicole Foss's mouth:
What does propaganda fostered by the fossil fuel industry for the purpose of denying Global Climate Change have to do with the subject of this letter to you?

A lot. I'll get to that but now I wish to remind you of a response you wrote to me in a comment forum about a year ago when I complained that you had not figured in the cost of poisoned aquifers from fracking gas drilling in the EROEI of fracked gas. I further said that, given the fact that Renewable Energy does not pollute, it actually is more cost effective than fossil fuels.

Why wait a year to answer you? Because I ran into exactly the same talking points in several other comment forums when the subject of fossil fuels versus renewable energy came up. So I set about to research your claims and predictions.

I have answered the statements and predictions you made. Nearly 100% of your predictions have not come about. In fact, in some cases the exact reverse of what you predicted has happened.

Also, some of your statements were factually incorrect at the time you made them, not just a year after you made them. Please read them and tell me if you have revised your views in these matters.

I have included your statements in exactly the same sequence as you made them without any alterations whatsoever.

Your statements are in brown color

My response in blue


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Renewables represent a drop in the bucket of global supply.


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  Energy from renewable resources—wind, water, the sun, biomass and geothermal energy—is inexhaustible and clean. Renewable energy currently constitutes 15% of the global energy mix.

http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/objectives/renewable-energy


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They are having no effect whatsoever on fossil fuel prices.


(Phase 2) So the huge demand destruction in fossil fuels this past year was ONLY related to the depression we have been in since 2008!!? Why then, didn't said demand destruction occur THEN? Why did that demand destruction DOVETAIL with the explosive growth of energy and wind in the USA in 2011 and 2012?


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Charts: The Smart Money Is on Renewable Energy
—By Tim McDonnell
Mon Apr. 22, 2013

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/04/charts-renewable-energy-fossil-fuels


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IEA Predicts Wind to Double and Solar Solar to Triple in 6 Years

http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/wind-and-solar-energy-rush-goes-global-130712.htm


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The European Investment Bank (EIB), the world’s largest public financial institution, has announced that, effective immediately, it will no longer finance most coal-, lignite- and oil-fired power stations in an effort to help Europe meet its climate targets.


http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/07/european-investment-bank-cuts-lending-to-fossil-plants-supports-renewables?cmpid=rss



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They are more expensive than fossil fuels


(phase 3)

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  When you account for the effects which are not reflected in the market price of fossil fuels, like air pollution and health impacts, the true cost of coal and other fossil fuels is higher than the cost of most renewable energy technologies.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/renewable-energy-is-too-expensive.htm


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In the July 2011 PE magazine article “Why We Need Rational Selection of Energy Projects,” the author stated that “photovoltaic electricity generation cannot be an energy source for the future” because photovoltaics require more energy than they produce
(during their lifetime), thus their “Energy Return Ratio (ERR) is less than 1:1.”

Statements to this effect were not uncommon in the 1980s, based on some early PV prototypes. However, today’s PVs return far more energy than that embodied in the life cycle of a solar system (see Figure 1).

Their energy payback times (EPBT)—the time it takes to produce all the energy used in their life cycles—currently are between six months to two years, depending on the location/solar irradiation and the technology. And with expected life times of 30 years, their ERRs are in the range of 60:1 to 15:1, depending on the location and the technology, thus returning 15 to 60 times more energy than the energy they use. Here is a basic tutorial on the subject.
 

http://www.clca.columbia.edu/236_PE_Magazine_Fthenakis_2_10_12.pdf



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because of their very low EROEI


(phase 3) See above. The EROEI of fossil fuels is lower than Renewable energy EROEI.


http://www.skepticalscience.com/renewable-energy-is-too-expensive.htm


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However, today’s PVs return far more energy than that embodied in the life cycle of a solar system (see Figure 1).

Their energy payback times (EPBT)—the time it takes to produce all the energy used in their life cycles—currently are between six months to two years, depending on the location/solar irradiation and the technology. And with expected life times of 30 years, their ERRs are in the range of 60:1 to 15:1, depending on the location and the technology, thus returning 15 to 60 times more energy than the energy they use. Here is a basic tutorial on the subject.

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Energy Payback Time = (Emat+Emanuf+Etrans+Einst+EEOL) / (Eagen–Eaoper)
where,
Emat: Primary energy demand to produce materials comprising PV system
Emanuf: Primary energy demand to manufacture PV system
Etrans: Primary energy demand to transport materials used during the life cycle
Einst: Primary energy demand to install the system
EEOL: Primary energy demand for end-of-life management
Eagen: Annual electricity generation in primary energy terms
Eaoper: Annual energy demand for operation and maintenance in primary energy terms

The traditional way of calculating the EROI of PV is EROI = lifetime/EPBT, thus an EPBT of one year and life expectancy of 30  years corresponds to an EROI of 1:30..

http://www.clca.columbia.edu/236_PE_Magazine_Fthenakis_2_10_12.pdf







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and very large fossil fuel dependency.


(phase 3) Maybe that was true in 1980 but NOW it is only partially true. Norway has about 100% penetration of renewable energy in their electric grid. Other highly industrialized countries have high penetration as well. This mean the electric arc furnaces for smelting steel and other high temperature thermal processes dependent on electricity are using very little fossil fuels to make renewable energy machines in these places.

Also Nuclear power plants, something neither you nor I favor, have always been made with fossil fuels but that never stopped our government from making or heavily subsidizing that new energy technology. Why should it be different for renewable energy machines?
Observe below the Renewable Energy penetration of the electric grid in various industrialized countries



Electric Grid Renewable energy Penetration in Selected Markets

Although we technically do not have PV manufacturing plants or Wind turbine manufacturers driving EV trucks or mining with EV machines as well as powering their factories with wind and PV or some other renewable energy, it's just a matter of time.

WHY? Because of the HIGH EROEI of Renewable Energy devices. They pay for themselves in a few years and then, as long as they are properly maintained, last a number of decades while using ZERO fossil fuels throughout the entire period.

The fossil fuel powered internal combustion machine is not competitive with Renewable Energy technolgies UNLESS fossil fuels retain their massive subsidies and continue to limit the market penetration of renewable energy systems in the USA and elseware with the threadbare excuse, and untrue allegation, that they are "too intermittent".

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The Great Transition, Part I: From Fossil Fuels to Renewable Energy
Lester R. Brown

http://www.earth-policy.org/plan_b_updates/2012/update107



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In fact renewables is a minomer. The sun will continue to shine and the wind to blow, but steel is not renewable and neither are many other essential components.


Six Terrawat hours a year of energy is expended each year in the USA just to make the internal combustion engines and spare parts. How come you never complained of this massive amount of energy involving "non-renewable" steel used in manufacturing internal combustion machines?

Renewable Energy devices terminology refers to the FACT, that once they are constructed, they don't USE fossil fuels to output energy. And the metal used in Renewables is not high temperature alloy metal like that required for internal combustion engines which makes it recyclable with LESS energy than that required for internal combustion engine metals.

In fact, we need far less steel and other metals to replace the entire internal combustion independent infrastructure with renewable energy WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL MINING by just cannibalizing the internal combustion machines for Renewable Energy machine metals as we make the transition.

Yes, I know about the rare earth metals mining pollution. I can only remind you of that phrase, "drop in the bucket" compared with the benefits of doing away with fossil fuels altogether.


http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?topic=478.msg25945#msg25945


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For As Long As The Sun Shines: The Non-Crisis of PV Module Reliability

http://blog.rmi.org/blog_2013_06_26_For_As_Long_As_The_Sun_Shines



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The demand and price collapse will kill much of renewable development,


Prices have gone up for fossil fuels even as demand has gone down. This has actually spurred the switch to renewables , not dampened it.

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Retail Prices (Dollars per Gallon) 2012-2013

http://www.eia.gov/oog/info/twip/twip.asp


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Volatile fossil fuel prices make renewable energy more attractive

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sustainable-business/blog/fossil-fuel-prices-renewable-energy-attractive



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especially at a large scale.


(phase 3)

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To date, we've committed over $1 billion to renewable energy project investments, signed ... It may also be more feasible to build larger power installations .... and match their demand with utility-scale solution

http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en/us/green/pdf/renewable-energy-options.pdf



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You cannot run an industrial society on intermittent energy sources with low EROEI.

The Renewable energy blend eliminates intermittency and the low EROEI claim has been proven, not just inaccurate, but the exact reverse.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/renewable-energy-is-too-expensive.htm

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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2015, 03:58:44 pm »
Second part of 3 parts:

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CSP technology can also be coupled with energy storage, one of the hottest topics in the renewable energy industry this year. Plants that include energy storage with molten salt can store solar power and dispatch it in the early evening and into the night. Tex Wilkins from the CSP Alliance thinks this application could make PV, which is often viewed as a threat to CSP, a complimentary technology. "The ability of CSP with storage to dispatch its power to the grid in the early morning and evening can combine with daytime PV to spread out the use of solar power from the time people get up early in the morning until they go to bed late at night," he explained. Wilkins said that in five years most CSP plants will include energy storage. Van Scoter from eSolar said in five years he expects that most CSP projects will include molten salt or ISCC technology. "There is also a high potential for projects involving industrial process heat, EOR and desalination," he said.
All CSP experts said that utilities are just beginning to recognize CSP's value - a renewable energy able to provide base load, dispatchable power. According to SkyFuel's Mason, "This attribute of CSP is its main differentiator from PV and wind, and will ensure its increasing uptake in the power market."


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Intermittency Of Renewables?… Not So Much

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/07/21/intermittency-of-renewable-energy/


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For As Long As The Sun Shines: The Non-Crisis of PV Module Reliability

http://blog.rmi.org/blog_2013_06_26_For_As_Long_As_The_Sun_Shines



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Feed in tariffs are already being cut worldwide, and without them renewable power is not competitive.


This is a generalization and is inaccurate as well.
It is also a faulty comparison. The MASSIVE subsidies fossil and nuclear fules get dwarf any feed in tariff "advantage" for Renewable energy.

If all fossil and nuclear fuel subsidies were removed, the ridiculously tiny Renewable Energy subsidies in the form of feed in tariffs and other paltry incentives would be even less significant than they are now.

I know you are adverse to feed in tariffs. It is not logical for you to be adverse to FIT and not ALSO be adverse to fossil fuel subsidies like THESE:

Expensing of Intangible Drilling Costs

Percentage Depletion Allowance

Deduction for Tertiary Injectants

Geological and Geophysical Expenditures

Exception for passive loss limitations for oil and gas

Enhanced oil recovery credit

Marginal oil well credit

You eliminate ALL THE ABOVE and the pittance that FIT represents can be eliminated quite easily, thank you very much. Just google fossil fuel and nuclear power subsidies to date in the USA alone and then look at the tiny sliver of a percentage of subsidies for renewables to date.

Of course, fossil fuel industries want renewable enrgy to go away and are doing everything possible to make that happen. Eliminating FIT would be one step to that goal while keeping fossil fuel subsidies intact.



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Said Brian Jennings, ACE executive vice president, in a release, “If oil companies cannot stand on their own two feet after 100 years of clinging to certain taxpayer subsidies, Congress shouldn’t hurt American consumers by repealing the RFS, a policy that helps level the playing field with oil a little bit by giving people affordable and renewable fuel choices.”

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2013/03/big-oils-100-year-incentive-birthday-bash-hosted-by-biofuels



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Since we cannot run this society on renewables, our society will have to change.


A logical conclusion based on the low EROEI incorrect premise and the intermittency incorrect premise.

With an incorrect premise, you will always come to the wrong conclusion.

The fact that renewable energy has grown in leaps and bounds for over three years now is proof that it is a more profitable energy source, as well as being non-polluting after manufacture, than the poisonous fossil fuels.

The renewable energy percentage use targets are INCREASING, not decreasing as you incorrectly believe. Here's just one example:


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Vermont may have more foresight than other states it its ambitious 90% renewable energy target by 2050, but it’s really the sign of a paradigm shift in energy, says Dave.

http://www.ilsr.org/vermonts-standard-offer-renewable-energy-program-episode-10-local-energy-rules-podcast/


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Prepare For Disruptive Solar Technology

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In 2013, the landscape is drastically different. Solar power is here to stay, and the major manufacturers should be motivated to make big moves.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1504552-prepare-for-disruptive-solar-technology



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We will have to learn to live within our means.

Most people in the world already do. It's people with giant carbon footprints that don't.

I think what you are doing in lowering your carbon footprint is laudable but be aware that every time you board an aircraft, you have just used up about 6 months worth of the carbon footprint of a person in the third world. That doesn't help.




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This article was not about poisoned aquifers. I have written about that before though. I cannot cover everything in every article or there would be no focus. Of course fracking is obscene, the environmental risks are huge and a few well connected individuals are making a killing from the ponzi scheme. The price collapse will eventually prevent it, just not right now when there is still money to be made.

Yes, the environmental risks, and damages as well, are already huge. Fracking adds insult to injury. It's time to stop supporting this biosphere killing technology, regardless of the fossil fuel industry's stranglehold on governments and policy.

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The country is in the midst of an unprecedented oil and gas drilling rush—brought on by a controversial technology called hydraulic fracturing or fracking.
Along with this fracking-enabled oil and gas rush have come troubling reports of poisoned drinking water, polluted air, mysterious animal deaths, industrial disasters and explosions. We call them Fraccidents.

http://earthjustice.org/features/campaigns/fracking-across-the-united-states



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The numbers are bad even with externalities excluded, and are of course much worse with them. Some of these things are very difficult to quantify, and over-quantification doesn't really help anyway.

Well, it DOES HELP the frackers in attracting investment capital to have energy experts publish EROEI numbers above 1:1, does it not?  A real world EROEI woud remind these planet poisoners of the repercussions of their actions AND make it HARDER for them to get investment capital.

The less happy the EROEI numbers, the less inclined they will be to engage in criminal and toxic activity. If energy experts don't do it, who is, besides the scientific community which is getting drowned out by the bought and paid for media?

I can show you a Buffalo University study about three years old (not the snow job that came later falsely claiming it was peer reviewed and forced to recant) that proved conclusively that Uranium traces would come up in the process of fracking and invade the aquifers, not at radiactive dose danger levels but as heavy metal pollutants.

There's a LOT more bad stuff going on out there. If you don't know about it, you should.

Gas fracking corruption posts:


http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?topic=478.msg5905#msg5905
http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?topic=478.msg5923#msg5923


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'Fracking' Mobilizes Uranium in Marcellus Shale, UB Research Finds

http://www.buffalo.edu/news/releases/2010/10/11885.html

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« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2015, 03:59:36 pm »
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This is real politik - the way the world really works.

You mean that's the way the POLITICAL WORLD works.
The planet and the biosphere, according to serious, objective, proven environmental science,  will become uninhabitable if we do not stop burning fossil fuels within a couple of decades (See video above in this document of panel of scientists where one British Scientist actually says that the REAL, "real world" is about to overwhelm the perception managed "real politik, real world" the fossil fuel industry and most of mankind falsely believe they live in. Note: Part 2 of that video is extremely informative as well.).

The intransigence of the fossil fuel industry in this matter is a given. They wish to avoid liability for the damage they have casued so they have, for several decades, (See the George C. Marshal Institute) launched a campaign of disinformation to claim there is NO climate threat whatsoever.

The disinformation has used the scare tactic that we are running out of fossil fuels. Sure, according to latest estimates, we have about 37 years left of oil and slightly over 100 years of coal.

I certainly think those numbers don't translate into an imminent collapse UNLESS the fossil fuel fascists (that isn't hyperbole) engineer one as an additional scare tactic.

Don't tell me the industry famous for contrived price shocks and oil resource wars is not capable of that.

Here's a PRIME example of what the fossil fuel industry has done to the USA and the world:

A quote from the following Peer Reviewed book:


Dilworth (2010-03-12). Too Smart for our Own Good (pp. 399-400). Cambridge University Press. Kindle Edition.

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"As suggested earlier, war, for example, which represents a cost for society, is a source of profit to capitalists. In this way we can partly understand e.g. the American military expenditures in the Persian Gulf area. Already before the first Gulf War, i.e. in 1985, the United States spent $47 billion projecting power into the region. If seen as being spent to obtain Gulf oil, It AMOUNTED TO $468 PER BARREL, or 18 TIMES the $27 or so that at that time was paid for the oil itself.

In fact, if Americans had spent as much to make buildings heat-tight as they spent in ONE YEAR at the end of the 1980s on the military forces meant to protect the Middle Eastern oil fields, THEY COULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE NEED TO IMPORT OIL from the Middle East.

So why have they not done so? Because, while the $468 per barrel may be seen as being a cost the American taxpayers had to bear, and a negative social effect those living in the Gulf area had to bear, it meant only profits for American capitalists. "

Note: I added the bold caps emphasis on the barrel of oil price, money spent in one year and the need to import oil from the Middle East.


Consequently, all extrapolated future scenarios the Peak Oil people come up with must have their premises scrutinized to see how much of that is fossil fuel propaganda.

I have. The collapse scenario does not add up.

In that video above, the scientific community makes it crystal clear that there is easily another 100 years of coal, a much more polluting fossil fuel than oil, available regardless of the state of petroleum depletion.

So it is not realistic to say everything is just going stop one day from a chain of collapses in economies. The available fossil fuels are still TOO available.

The worsening weather will be the ONLY thing that will spur change unless the 1% performs a coup d'état on the fossil fuel world power structure and even then we already passed the point a couple of decades ago when bioremediation was going to be fairly straight forward.

So the Peak Oil people and preppers, like you, are doing themselves a world of good by preparing for a lower carbon footprint and learning many low tech survival skills because, even in the best of the three scenarios I envisioned (no die off), we will still have to reduce our carbon footprint until we get all the bugs out of the 100% renewable energy PLUS 20-40% carbon sequestering economy implemented to GET BACK to below 350 ppm.

You are wrong to think it will all collapse but you are right to prepare for hard times and horrible weather. Hansen said the atmospheric and oceanic inertia is nearly 100 years. I had thought it was only about 30 years.  :P

That means we are experiencing NOW the effects of our generated pollutants (if you say the incubation inertia is 50 years or so) as of 1963!

Consider all the pollutants that have poured in to the biosphere since then and you start to understand why brilliant people like Guy McPherson are so despondent. There is NO WAY we can stop the pollution/bad weather clock from CONTINUING to deteriorate for another 50 years (or 100 if Hansen is right) even if we STOPPED using all fossil fuels today. :(

I'm not in charge and neither are you. But clinging to this fossil fuel fantasyland of cheap power and all we "owe" it for our civilization is not going to do anything but make things deteriorate faster.

If enough people reach the 1%, maybe they will wake up. It's all we can do in addition to trying to foster community.

The system, as defined by the fossil fuel fascist dystopia that currently runs most of the human affairs among the 1 billion population in the developed world that are saddling the other 6 billion, who are totally free of guilt for causing it, with this climate horror we are beginning to experience, IS quite stubborn and does not wish to change the status quo.

Mother nature will force it to do so.

Whether it is done within the next two decades or not (i.e. a swtch to 100% PLUS bioremediation Renewable Energy steady state economy) will dictate the size of the die off, not only of humans but thousands of other species as well.

We are now in a climate cake that has been baked for about 1,000 years according to atmospheric, objective, proven with experimental data, science.

My somewhat quixotic hope as fleshed out in the following article is that the 1% will respond to the crisis with a crash program to bioremediate the biosphere as a matter of enlightened self interest.



http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/08/13/sexual-dimorphism-powerstructures-and-environmental-consequences-of-human-behaviors/

If the crash program to switch to renewable energy is to begin soon, I expect the trigger for the crash program will be the first ice free arctic summer (according to my estimates  :icon_mrgreen:) in 2017.

So I would use that future melting now as a rallying point to wake people up and join in the effort to ban fossil fuels from planet earth. Expect the fossil fuelers to counter that polar ice melting catastrophic reality with propaganda about what a "wonderful" thing it is to have a new ocean to shorten ship traveling (i.e. TANKERS) distances. So it goes.

But if things go well for humanity and the 1% galvanize to save the biosphere and their stuff  :icon_mrgreen:, we will witness the dismantelling of the centralized fossil fuel infrastructure, it's use and, more importantly, the relinquishing of political power worldwide by big oil.



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1. Exaggeration?

I have been told of specific well-respected people who have asserted that "Jim Hansen exaggerates" the magnitude and imminence of the climate threat. If only that were true, I would be happy.
"Magnitude and imminence" compose most of the climate story.

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It's about money and power.


Correct. It has ALWAYS been about POWER (which always brings easy money).

It has NEVER been about ENERGY beyond CONTROLLING the spigot to we-the-people.

That's why the fossil fuel industry simply didn't switch to the much more profitable and economical renewable energy technologies long ago (they certainly have the money to do so); they simply could not figure out a way to retain POWER and CONTROL with a distributed, rather than a centralized energy system.




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The expansion phase of the bubble concealed that for a while by floating many boats temporarily.

No comment except that the forces of nature will overwhelm any bubble mechanics that corrupt central bankers or Wall Street can come up with.

The importance of financial activity pales in the face of climate change.




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I wish that wasn't the way it worked, but it does, whether we like it or not. All we can do is to understand our situation and make the best of it.


Renewable Energy is making life and profits more and more difficult for the fossil fuel corporations.

But you are right that they run the corrupt system and do not want to cede their power (even if it kills all of us).


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Robert F. Kennedy Jr: In the next decade there will be an epic battle for survival for humanity against the forces of ignorance and greed. It’s going to be Armageddon, represented by the oil industry on one side, versus the renewable industry on the other.

And people are going to have to choose sides – including politically. They will have to choose sides because oil and coal, they will not be able to survive – they are not going to be able to burn their proven reserves.

If they do, then we are all dead. And they are quite willing to burn it. We’re all going to be part of that battle. We are going to watch governments being buffeted by the whims of money and greed on one side, and idealism and hope on the other.

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/06/interview-with-robert-f-kennedy-jr-on-environmental-activism-democratization-of-energy-more/

This ends my response and rebuttal of your statements and predicitons.

<------------------------------------------------------>

Do you now recognize that what you told me, wittingly or unwittingly, was fossil fuel anti-renewable energy propaganda?

I have shown the error in your statements and request you reconsider your position on everything you said to me.

The fossil fuel industry and those who side with it, regardless of appearing to take a pro-environment position in their personal lives, are hurting our chances for a viable biosphere.

Those who, instead, simply stand their ground on the settled climate science and state unequivocally that fossil fuels must be BANNED from human use forever and the fossil fuel industries dismantled while a massive transition to a lower carbon footprint and 100% plus renewable energy economy takes place, are the only hope Homo sapiens has.

The question is, which side are you on?


Typical phases of resistance to renewable energy, as descriped by Dr. Herman Scheer are as follows:
 
 Phase 1 – Belittle & Deny the Renewable Energy Option

 Phase 2 – Denounce & Mobilize Against the Renewable Energy Option

 Phase 3 - Spread Doubt & Misrepresent the Challenges in the Disguise of General Support

(Note: reaching Phase 3 doesn’t mean that Phase 1 & 2 will disappear.)


A word about political power and real politik living in a fossil fuel fascist dystopia.

IT simply DOES NOT MATTER what the 'real world", "real politik" geopolitical power structure mankind has now is. IT DOES NOT MATTER how powerful the fossil fuel industry is in human affairs. The ICE and fossil fuels have to go or Mother Nature will kill us, PERIOD.

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php/topic,559.msg63084.html#msg63084

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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2015, 04:09:09 pm »
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Ah yes...biosphere math....brought to us by the same mathematicians who claimed net energy mattered and predicted the end of oil and gas drilling before the turn of the LAST century? And then...instead...it turned out that drill baby drill WORKED? Mathz can be tricky!

Uh, no MKing. That is NOT what I speak of when I mention BIOSPHERE MATH. I am NOT talking about Charles Hall's BALONEY about EROEI. I AGREE with you that Charles Hall is full of horse poopy.

I am talking about the THERMODYNAMICS of living organisms on planet earth as has been repeatedly and relentlessly documented by the fastidious measurements of energy capture and transfer by scientists starting with the autotrophs and going to the primary consumers and on to the heterotrophs above them and so on.

It's not rocket science but it's peer reviewed and indisputable. Hell, they got the natural logarithm function from it! Are you going to claim THAT is "tricky mathz" too? 

Unlike the "heat, beat and treat" thermodynamics "truths" that you swear by in your zeal to justify  incredibly inefficient and polluting industrial processes you are so enamored with, energy capture in the autotrophs and those that depend on them, like YOU AND I, is done WITHOUT high temperature causing WASTE of energy transfer. Enzymatic processes are FAR more efficient than THERMAL processes to capture energy for movement of muscle. In fact, said muscle DIES if the biochemical reactions occur outside a narrow band of temperature and pH.

Sure, Homo SAP has not been able to scale up bio-mimicry to the level of an electric blast furnace.  And so, you claim the "high ground" on "prudent, real world" energy CFS.

That's another false premise simply because Renewable Energy, although it is far less efficient thermodynamics wise than biological processes, is far MORE efficient that "heat , beat and treat" thermal processes. You know that. So you holler and scream "the new technology cannot be scaled up fast enough" and it is "not ready for prime time" perfidy.   

You DO NOT have the thermodynamic "high ground" with fossil fuels.

I told Nicole Foss two and half years ago that Fracking is an Obscenity. She said, "there was money to be made". And people like you have made a LOT of it. You call THAT a "bridge"? Hello? Have you even bothered to compute the SCC of Fracked gas?

Are you going to give me more BS about how we-the-people put a gun to YOUR HEAD to Frack?

Tell me MKing, how much Fracking would have been done WITHOUT the Halliburton Loophole in the Safe Drinking Water act? HUH? Right, that's water under the bridge. LOL!

Fracking HAD to get a get out of jail free card from Cheney. It did. Without it, it wasn't "cost effective", as you fossil fuelers like to claim. Any MORON can see a graph showing Fracking BEFORE the Halliburton loophole and AFTER is like an ant hill next to mount Everest! Demand and supply did not have JACK **** to do with it. You crooks pulled a fast one on the American public and now you want to dance around it and claim it was the public piggy love of "cheap" energy  that "made you do it". BALONEY!

I am continually amazed at how you take something that IS happening (large scale Fracking) as something we should all sing and dance about (after we bow down and give thanks to you for all your "sacrifices" to get us the "cheap energy" we mercilessly drove you to frack - LOL! ) and, in almost the same BREATH, you can turn around and tell us how ephemeral everything is and that "change is part of life".  ::)

Healer, HEAL THYSELF!  Renewable Energy is THE CHANGE that is happening DESPITE your foot dragging, not BECAUSE you support change. You support Fracking for the same reason Nicole Foss does (MONEY!). Had the Halliburton loophole not been shoved up our collective descending colons, we would be much farther along the transition to renewable energy. Your Fracking "bridge" is a Ponzi scheme energy DETOUR!  :emthdown:
 
Energy efficiency, thermodynamics, the public demand and our civilization's energy needs are canards you use to avoid the REAL ISSUE.

The REAL ISSUE is the following (you just don't want to go there  :emthdown:):

That pyramid below is a simplification but it gives you an idea how VITAL the PRODUCERS (the base of the trophic pyramid) are to our existence.


The MASSIVE amount of energy stored in the base from captured sunlight is necessary because energy is LOST as the secondary and tertiary trophic levels EAT the life forms below them.

The BASE does NOT have to be WIPED OUT for Homo SAPS to be TOAST. It MUST be GIGANTIC in order to provide life for the subsequent trophic levels. The INSTANT that BASE CANNOT be several times LARGER in biomass because of what WE are doing to the environment, we, along with lots of other non-producers high up on the pyramid, are on the path to extinction. We ARE THERE.

This is not hard.

1) Set the example of a Frugality is Freedom Minimalist Mindset lifestyle
. BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT! The hippies did that and made the MISTAKE of dropping out. They were supposed to use that very same psychology the propagandists for dirty energy used to turn the masses into piggies. That TOOL is to be found in Maslow's hierarchy. IT is called PEER GROUP ACCEPTANCE. That is why TPTB demonized the hippies. That STRIPPED THEM of their ability to exert PEER PRESSURE on "respectable citizens". The rest is history.  If THAT history is repeated and pro-renewable energy minimalist mindset people are demonized by TPTB, Homo SAP is history! Now to step 2.

2 Explain the OBVIOUS to the propagandized chumps.

3. Use peer pressure to cajole, coax, mock, lambast, accuse of foot dragging and lack of CFS, suicidal tendencies, being dumb as a post (and so on - you get the idea) fellow Homo SAPS 24/7.

Unless ET and the USAF have a press conference (After all the big oil CEO's commit suicide  :icon_mrgreen:) announcing zero point free energy appliances, flying machines and lunch will now be available to every Homo SAP on the planet within a year or so, there is no alternative to a low carbon economy, PERIOD.

The PLAN, if you can call it that, is to RESPECT and CARE FOR THE TROPHIC PYRAMID, especially the BASE.
And give HELL to everyone that won't do that!

This is not hard.



Pictorial lesson plan for informing the uninformed: The "logical" choices presented by the profit over planet evolutionary dead enders to the propagandized chumps:

Short cognitive time horizons are not conducive to Homo SAP species perpetuation.  8)
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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2015, 06:37:32 pm »


Carbon Counterattack

How Big Oil Is Responding to the Anti-Carbon Moment

SNIPPET 1:
Unless directly challenged, this pro-carbon offensive -- backed by copious Big Energy advertising -- is likely to attract at least as much favor as the claims of anti-carbon activists. At this point, of course, the moral arguments against carbon consumption are -- or at least should be -- well known.

The oil, gas, and coal companies, it is claimed, are selfishly pursuing mega-profits at the expense of the climate, the environment, our children and grandchildren, and even possibly a future of any reasonable sort for humanity as a whole. “Basically [the big energy companies have] said, we’re going to wreck the planet, we don’t care what you say, we think we can, and we dare you to stop us,” observed climate activist and 350.org cofounder Bill McKibben in a recent interview. This outlook was reflected in many of the signs carried by the estimated 400,000 demonstrators who participated in the People’s Climate March in New York City last September.

The fossil fuel industry is often also portrayed as the nucleus of a global system of wealth and power that drags down democracy and perpetuates grotesque planetary inequalities. “Fossil fuels really do create a hyper-stratified economy,” explained Naomi Klein, author of the best-selling book This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate. “It’s the nature of the resources that they are concentrated, and you need a huge amount of infrastructure to get them out and to transport them. And that lends itself to huge profits and they're big enough that you can buy off politicians.”

Views like these animate the struggles against “fracking” in the United States, against the transport of tar-sands oil via the Keystone XL pipeline, and against the shipment of coal to ports in the Pacific Northwest. They also undergird the drive to rid college and university endowments and other institutions of their fossil fuel stocks, which gained momentum in recent months, thanks to the decisions of both the Stanford University board of trustees to divest from coal company stocks and of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund to eventually rid itself of its fossil fuel stocks and invest in alternative energy.
 

Once upon a time, the giant carbon companies like Exxon sought to deflect these attacks by denying the very existence of climate change or the role of humans in causing it -- or at least by raising the banner of “uncertainty” about the science behind it. They also financed the efforts of rogue scientists to throw doubt on global warming. While denialism still figures in the propaganda of some carbon companies, they have now largely chosen to embrace another strategy: extolling the benefits of fossil fuels and highlighting their contributions to human wellbeing and progress.    

Agelbert NOTE: The skullduggery of the fossil fuel industry is absent from this article. From ethanol being made illegal with Prohibition to chemurgy refineries burning down "mysteriously" in the 1930's to anti-Hemp legislation to never paying a nickel to all the children (and many species of animals) in the entire civilized WORLD damaged by gasolene with lead additives (STILL LEGAL in the USA for aviation gasoline interanl combusiton engines!), their mens rea modus operandi criminal actions for the purpose of keeping competing renewable energy technology from getting a foothold for over a century are well documented.

They are criminals and they mostly OWN our government. We have a FASCIST FOSSIL FUEL GOVERNMENT in the USA. It's up to we-the-people to continue our DEMAND REJECTION of these dirty fuels.

Our government WILL NOT HELP, despite the lip service about promoting renewable energy. 


The author of the article doesn't want to "go there". However, I think he gets it. Just read between the lines.  ;D Big Oil can't sue him for pointing people at "dots" that readers, if they still possess critical thinking skills,  can then connect for themselves.   8)

SNIPPET 2:
If a climate movement is going to challenge the energy powers of this planet effectively, it’s crucial to grasp the vision into which Big Energy is undoubtedly planning to sink incredible resources and which, across much of the planet, will become a living, breathing argument for ignoring the catastrophic warming of the planet. They present it, of course, as a glowing dreamscape of a glorious future -- though a nightmare is what should come to mind.

Here, then, in a nutshell is the argument that Big Energy is going to seed into the planet for the foreseeable future. Prepare yourself.

VERY brief Summary provided by Agelbert to prevent readers that can add and subtract from projectile vomiting:
No Growth Without Us   
Propelling the New Global Middle Class  
Carbon Humanitarianism
We Can Do It Better  

Agelbert NOTE: For those with strong stomachs (or loyal fossil fueler members of the Wall Street Social Darwinist, Predators 'R' Us RELIGION), read unadulterated Hysterics about collapse without fossil fuels mixed with Fossil Fuels "savior of mankind" tear jerking baloney, how "experienced" big oil is in providing "cheap" energy (LOL!) and last, but not least, the old boilerplate about how much "cheaper" fossil fuels are than those "unreliable", "intermittent"  (solar and wind  - they are silent as DEATH about ocean currents, tide and geothermal - LOL!). "costly" (and so on).  ::)

Bring your barf bag for this thorough summary of all of the fossil fueler talking points, all of which have been proven to be FALSE by Amory Lovins, and several others like Herman Scheer, OVER and OVER again.

Or, skip the link below and read how the author takes apart the  Big Oil Happy Talk:

The Rockefeller T-Rex Doo Doo-ing what it DOES

SNIPPET 3:

Facing the Challenge

Put together, this represents a dazzling vision of a future in which growing numbers of people enjoy the benefits of abundant energy and unlimited growth. You can already imagine the heartwarming TV commercials that will be generated on a massive scale to propagate such a message: pictures of hard-working individuals of all genders and hues enjoying the American Dream globally thanks to Exxon and its cohorts.      


Needless to say, in such imagery there will be nothing to mar the promise of unbridled prosperity for all -- no horrific droughts, colossal superstorms, or mass migrations of desperate people seeking to flee devastated areas.

But this vision, like so much contemporary advertising, is based on a lie: in this case, on the increasingly bizarre idea that, in the twenty-first century, humanity can burn its way through significant parts of the planet’s reserves of fossil fuels to achieve a world in which everything is essentially the same -- there’s just more of it for everyone.  

In the world portrayed by Exxon, it’s possible for a reassuring version of business-as-usual to proceed without environmental consequences. In that world, the unimpeded and accelerated release of carbon into the atmosphere has no significant impact on people’s lives. This is, of course, a modern fairy tale that, if believed, will have the most disastrous of results.  :(

Agelbert NOTE: Did you notice the HOPIUM? Did you read the pie in the sky hallucinations that these fosssil fuelers keep pushing on us?

Can you see why I get so incensed at the Nicole Fosses, Roamers and Mkings of this world when THEY have the BRASS to claim I am the one embracing HOPIUM and pie in the sky hallucinations?

These people are as blind, deaf and dumb to reality as they come! They are a danger to themselves and society. They belong in jail or a mental institution. 

The author of the article finishes off by underlining, with cold hard logic, how SUICIDALLY STUBBORN the fossil fuel industry and it's greed worshipping friends and camp followers are. These logic challenged money grubbers are enemies of future generations of ALL earthlings, not just Homo SAPS. 

It is well written. Expect huffing and puffing from the resident fossil fuelers.

SNIPPET 4:
Someday, it will also be seen as one of the more striking lies on whatever’s left of the historical record. In fact, follow this vision to 2040, burning through whatever fossil fuels the energy companies and energy states can pull out of the earth and the ballooning carbon emissions produced will ensure planetary warming far beyond the two degrees Celsius deemed by scientists to be the maximum that the planet can safely absorb without catastrophic climate effects.

In fact, those dreamy landscapes in the new pro-carbon version of the planetary future will, in reality, be replaced by burning forests, flooded coastlines, and ever-expanding deserts. Forget the global rise of the middle class, forget all those cars and trucks and planes and resorts, forget the good life entirely. As climate conditions deteriorate, croplands will wither, coastal cities and farmlands will be eradicated, infrastructure will be devastated, the existing middle class will shrink, and the poor will face ever-increasing deprivation.



Preventing these catastrophes will involve sustained and dedicated effort by all those who truly care about the future of humanity. This will certainly require better educating people about the risks of climate change and the role played by fossil fuel combustion in producing it. But it will also require deconstructing and exposing the futuristic fantasies deployed by the fossil fuel companies to perpetuate their dominance. However fraudulent their arguments may be, they have the potential to blunt significant progress on climate change and so must be vigorously repudiated. Unless we do so, the apostles of carbon will continue to dominate the debate and bring us ever closer to a planetary inferno. This is the only way to thwart and discredit those who seek to perpetuate the Reign of Carbon.

Michael T. Klare, a TomDispatch regular, is a professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College and the author, most recently, of The Race for What’s Left. A documentary film version of his book Blood and Oil is available from the Media Education Foundation. Links to his work can be found at michaelklare.com.

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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2015, 07:02:41 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW-NadlTFIA&feature=player_embedded


Must read related Greenpeace article at link:

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But for the world’s largest firm to take some meaningful steps to throw in the towel on climate denial indicates a precedent for an industry that most activists wouldn’t have bothered to spend time trying to change.

And it’s a good thing, because climate scientists aren’t getting any less distressed about our changed climate. The U.S. National Academy of Sciences is getting desperate enough to officially call for “unproven technology” in attempts to mitigate the crisis.   

Despite the weight of the crisis, which is just getting started, coal companies, oil companies, the Koch brothers and their legion of front groups are creating layers of red tape to block the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Power Plan, the first regulation of carbon emissions from existing power plants.
   


World’s Biggest PR Firm Quits American Oil Lobby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgQf5KOWLo8&feature=player_embedded
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Re: Fossil Fuel Propaganda Modus Operandi
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2015, 06:38:20 pm »
Climate Denier’s Funding from Fossil Fuel Industry Exposed at a Staggering $1.25 Million
Andy Rowell, Oil Change International | February 23, 2015 9:18 am

For nearly two decades avid researcher, Kert Davies, has been hunting climate deniers and exposing their links to the fossil fuel industry.

Davies, who used to run Greenpeace USA’s Research Department, developed Exxon Secrets a decade ago which highlighted many of these links. It remains an invaluable tool today.
Willie Soon DOING what HE DOES.
Documents uncovered by Kert Davies and Greenpeace reveal just how much funding Soon received from Exxon Mobil, Southern Company, American Petroleum Institute (API) and Donors Trust, which is a secretive foundation run by the ultra-conservative Koch brothers. And the total comes to a staggering $1.25 million over the last 14 years.

Last year, Davies decided to move on from Greenpeace and set up the Climate Investigations Center, whose remit is to “monitor the individuals, corporations, trade associations, political organizations and front groups who work to delay the implementation of sound energy and environmental policies that are necessary in the face of ongoing climate crisis.”

For anyone who has followed how climate sceptics have distorted the debate on climate science, there are a few key names on the list. And one of those is Wei-Hock Soon, more commonly known as Willie Soon, who is an astrophysicist from the Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics.

Only last week I wrote about the Philip Morris’s “whitecoat” program and how the tobacco industry strategy of using scientists to promote their message had been copied by the oil industry.

Soon is the perfect whitecoat for the fossil fuel industry and those who want to deny or delay action on climate change because he believes that climate change is caused not by fossil fuels but by the sun.

These views mean that Soon has been a valuable commodity to the fossil fuel industry and Republicans who deny climate change.

He has long established connections to leading denial think tanks from the U.S., such as the Heartland Institute. Indeed at last year’s annual climate sceptic conference run by Heartland, Soon was one of three skeptics to be given an award for “speaking truth to power, whistleblowing, and the defense of science.” 

Nothing, it seems, could be further from the truth. It is the powerful fossil fuel industry which has been trying to undermine—not defend—science.

We have known for years that Soon has taken fossil fuel industry money, but the exact amount has always remained a mystery.

And now documents uncovered by Davies and Greenpeace reveal just how much funding Soon received from Exxon Mobil, Southern Company, American Petroleum Institute (API) and Donors Trust, which is a secretive foundation run by the ultra-conservative Koch brothers.

And the total comes to a staggering $1.25 million over the last 14 years.
The largest donor was Southern Company, one of the America’s biggest electricity providers which relies heavily on dirty coal for its power plants.

The strategy has been simple. To employ Soon to sow doubt about climate change. “What it shows is the continuation of a long-term campaign by specific fossil-fuel companies and interests to undermine the scientific consensus on climate change,” argues Davies.

Davies adds: “The question here is really: ‘What did API, ExxonMobil, Southern Company and Charles Koch see in Willie Soon? What did they get for $1m-plus.” He asks: “Did they simply hope he was on to research that would disprove the consensus? Or was it too enticing to be able to basically buy the nameplate Harvard-Smithsonian?”


More worryingly, the documents suggest that Soon also “improperly concealed his funding sources” from scientific journals in contravention to their guidelines.

According to the New York Times, which broke the story, at least 11 papers Soon has published since 2008 omitted disclosing his funding sources, “and in at least eight of those cases, he appears to have violated ethical guidelines of the journals that published his work.”

“The [Southern] company was paying him to write peer-reviewed science and that relationship was not acknowledged in the peer-reviewed literature,” argues Davies.

Greenpeace has now written to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service and Congress arguing that Soon may have misused grants from the Koch foundation by trying to influence legislation.

Meanwhile, Soon has always denied that his industry funding influences his work.   

http://ecowatch.com/2015/02/23/climate-deniers-funding-fossil-fuel-industry/
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Corporate Profits over Patient in the Health Care Field by AGelbert
February 22, 2019, 03:04:43 pm

The Wisdom of the Books of the Bible by AGelbert
February 22, 2019, 11:40:14 am

Global Warming is WITH US by AGelbert
February 21, 2019, 05:34:50 pm

Photvoltaics (PV) by AGelbert
February 21, 2019, 04:40:53 pm

End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible by AGelbert
February 21, 2019, 12:09:23 pm

The Big Picture of Renewable Energy Growth by AGelbert
February 20, 2019, 05:29:08 pm

Wind Power by AGelbert
February 20, 2019, 02:21:30 pm