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AGelbert

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Re: Pollution
« Reply #165 on: March 06, 2015, 07:29:35 pm »
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I just realized how INTENSE the conditioning in the monastery is. I can even liken it to voluntarily entering in prison. There will be no way i will be able to communicate with words, what the experience is of living this lifestyle.

I can thank you all for helping me see that. After 30 years of being here I have become quite rigid because of the structure, and agreements that exist here. To tell you the truth, i have been thinking about leaving and getting free of this sanctuary. But at my age, and physical condition, not to mention the expense, i will likely die here. I can actually see that I appear to have much more rigid conditions, than those of you who are free in the world. At this present time I am tending to agree with that assessment.

Now this is not totally depressing to me, and I do feel I made the right choice to enter......but this has grown to be too predictable. We leave very few "footprints" in the attempt to do no harm to each other or the environment, and raise animals and vegetables and live below the poverty line so we paid no taxes to the feds or state.......and that is the way it has been for 30 years for me, and it started in 1975.

Big freaking deal. If I could figure a way to leave, and still keep those principles going, I would be sorely tempted. I know for sure that all of you are doing the best you can.

It IS a GIANT VICTORY over the profit over planet biosphere challenged MORONS THAT you HAVE ACHIEVED. NEVER forget that! You have been contributing to a healthy biosphere by your stoic avoidance of a polluting lifestyle. Consider the amount of fossil fuels you DID NOT burn and the amount of innocent life you DID NOT harm. That is REAL. That has given us a fighting chance to give the finger to the morons that do not get it. It might have even convinced many biosphere math challenged idiots, like I used to be, to get with the Renewable Energy and sustainability program.

The legacy of your actions is important. If everyone did what you do for seven generations, the biosphere would be more livable, more viable and more healthy. THAT is the litmus test of a life well lived.

You have NOTHING to be disappointed with in your walk.

Of course it is lamentably true that people that take renewable energy and respect for all life seriously are in the minority. It is also true that we are probably totally forked. SO?

Doing the right thing is all that really matters. WHY? Because doing the wrong thing is stupid. Intelligent people do not engage in stupid behavior.

MKing is quick to bring up the desperate poor who will do whatever it takes to make ends meet. He extrapolates, from the energy seeking nature and example of humans trying to avoid death by starvation, that it's okay to pollute the sh it out of the planet and fix it later. We know that is just self serving bull****. He probably knows it too. He can only make a case for his conscience free behavior with hyperbole. 

Therefore, his arguments fail the test of being true in all cases. The fact is that most life forms do what they do in total harmony with the biosphere. Those of us who are self aware can pretend we are tigers with tools in order to justify very UNtiger like polluting piggery, but it's "logic" only a used car salesman could love.

LOGIC dictates that respect for all life is a moral imperative in a biosphere. You take life when you absolutely have to in order to survive, period. MKing's "logic" is that you take life (or harm it by your polluting enterprise) BECAUSE YOU CAN.

That's the "logic" of the snapping turtle in the wash bucket (that I put about 6 frogs in without providing them a place to hide from the snapper). That is NOT logical for a self aware being that realizes that, if he kills all his food supply, he will starve.

Yes Knarf, there are way to many MKings out there. But that does not give those of us who get it an excuse to behave stupidly.

The native Americans understood it. If everybody in the tribe does exactly what you do through six more generations, if the seventh generation experience no degradation of the biosphere, THAT BEHAVIOR IS MORAL=INTELLIGENT=RESPECT FOR ALL LIFE behavior.

As to old age narrowing our choices, that's par for the course. I'm there too. 

Remember what Mark Antony said (according to Shakespeare), "The Evil men do lives long after them. The good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Caesar."

YOU know you did the right thing and that HELPED HUMANITY.    It matters not what anybody else says.

 I am grateful to you for doing it.   




As for MKing, I will ENJOY his reaction when the EFFECTS of what he continues to do hit THIS generation, never mind the next six generations...

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

 

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