Renewable Revolution

Quote from: agelbert on March 11, 2018, 07:21:42 pm

Don't tell me you would not try to stock your own Dunbar (150 to 200 humans) tribe with the highest IQ people, because I KNOW you would.

And you would be wrong, if you have read my stuff in detail.  A society doesn't need or even really want many "High IQ" people.  Who does the grunt work if everyone is a **** GENIUS?  Besides, it's the geniuses like Elon that got us into this mess in the first place. 

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The Fossil Fuel Geniuses like Rockefeller 😈 are the ones who REALLY got us into this mess!

Good for you if you would really put those proper principles to work, given the money and the time to set up a Dunbar number based community. But, I think you are dodging the issue. Don't tell me robots cannot do the grunt work, because they can. Those robots will work just fine in a total collapse. They actually  have fewer energy needs than humans do. A human has to eat, a rather inefficent way of getting energy. The robot gets his "food" from a solar panel that charges his lithium batteries. Yes, you will claim the robots will rust and the community does not have the industrial infrastructure to make new ones so Agelbert is wrong and RE still needs lots of average intelligence grunts.

Even so, you are assuming that there will be a hierarchy, are you not? You are assuming that the people in command at the top will be the high IQ folks. Well, that is wrong too. Power corrupts. 👎

I know you have written about the gift economy and I think it is an excellent and equitable form of economic structure. But, I am convinced that works ONLY if EVERYONE has the SAME standing in the community.

The "Lord of the Manor" thing leads to corruption, cruelty, inequality AND dynasties of elitists. All that STARTS with a pecking order based on some criteria. Sometimes that has been brute strength, but often it is high intelligence combined with strength.

How do you propose to avoid the pitfalls of being the smartest guy in the room? How do you ensure the high IQ folks don't start believing the Darwinian bullshit that they are "better" than the grunts, unless the society you set up is 100% equal pay, equal privilege, equal opportunities and equal food and housing (with LOTS of guarantees that it stays that way from one generation to the next)? Is your vision that of a horizontal power structure? If so, I support it.

That is certainly not what Musk envisions. That's another reason I do not think his idea of a Mars colony makes sense.