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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #165 on: April 29, 2016, 03:22:35 pm »
I share quite a few traits with these millenial doomers.  I too am a millenial and our family moved alot struggled financially and I being the middle child to two sisters and an often absent father found myself an introverted loner very early on. 

I had and have a very strong disposition to doomerism and seeing the world through a melancholy "we are all dust" type of viewpoint.  Though current events makes doomerism seem plausible if not likeky I've personally realized that my initial long bout with peak oil fatalism was a projection of a mindset I am very prone to more than it was any hard facts.

The point to consider here Roamer is just WHY do all these Millenials have these feelings and sensations in the absence of "hard facts"? ???  :icon_scratch:  Are they all being "fooled" like you contend you were by Peak Oil Doomer Pundits without "hard facts"?  WTF are "hard facts" anyhow?  All you really get anywhere is spin, and you have to figure out from that spin what the truth really is.

The early crowd of Peak Oil pundits got numerous things wrong, mainly timeline issues and how it would play out economically.  Some of us were not fooled by this spin, but it was common in the community.  What they did not get wrong though was the overall trend, which continues playing out to this day.

You are bummed by the fact that because you bought into the spin of some of the Peak Oil pundits, you ended up self-sabotaging your possible career as an engineer. Collapse didn't come fast enough, and you could have been making good money inside the industrial society if you hadn't bought that spin.  But you did, so here you are now.  This goes along the lines of Live With It.  You made that decision then, and now you play the hand left that you were dealt.

Thing is here, as these millenials demonstrate with their emotions and their personal experience, the Peak Oilers weren't really "wrong", they just didn't have the mechanics of the downspin figured quite right.  Neither though does the EIA or World Class Geochemists have this figured correctly, if they did they could tell you what the KSA will do here as things spin further downhill.  They are just as clueless as most of the bloggers out there, with the exception of a few like myself and Steve. :)

The timeline on this remains difficult, but MANY people of MANY generations now are becoming aware of what is ongoing, if not in a "factual" way, then in an emotional one. It is OK that you are upset and feel betrayed by those who called an End of Times too early, but they were not really wrong, and you were not really fooled.  It is reality that the Industrial Civilization is ending.  Now you have to figure out how you can live with that.
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Yup.

The "minimum" BPD of oil required to "keep us all from dying and/or returning to the caves"  ( that represent a part of MKing's religion and the basis of all fossil fueler "supply and demand" fantasies )  is a particularly pernicious, as well as now proven to be INACCURATE, segment of those "hard facts" that Roamer bought into (and I never did).

To Roamer's credit, he saw the folly of kicking the energy can down the road by quoting from that book "Too Smart for Our Own Good". 

As JD said here recently, (paraphrased  ;D) there is no hope for a viable civilization if we do not have a technology that rejects the religion of "required constant growth for a healthy economy" baloney.


Amory Lovins, who I have quoted extensively for about 3 years now, gets that. There is a way WITHOUT a growth economy and WITHOUT fossil fuels.

But I am still not convinced that we will take it. There is too much "greed is good" religion in our "civilization" for a reasonable fellow like myself to give "civilization" a snowball's chance in hell of doing the right thing.

Here's to well insulated snowballs. 
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

 

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