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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #135 on: September 28, 2015, 10:23:53 pm »
Monsta,
The FACT that advocating incremental measures will not prevent the existential threat from getting worse is justification for DEMANDING DRASTIC measures! 

Only a deliberately irrational person or a propagandist would argue that the issue here is between doing nothing and incremental measures. YEAH! BOTH doing nothing and incremental measures are insufficient, even though the mindset of the irresponsible advocates of incremental measures is somewhat healthier than the nihilists that advocate doing nothing! AND?

WHERE do you get the idea that when somebody says incremental measures are insufficient, they are a advocating doing nothing, HUH!!? That's BULLSHIT!

The world of business has made many Empathy Deficit Disordered, unethical choices. We are all paying for their rejection of  their responsibility to use dianoia in their decision making process.

But they are relatively few in number. Their chicanery would cease from a huge public outcry if they did not have so many people aiding and abetting their unethical biosphere destroying modus operandi.

Those are the comfortable millions who have swallowed the corporate happy talk propaganda.

Those are the people that continue to delay progress on the implementation of the drastic government action we must demand, which is desperately needed to stem, or eliminate, the length and breadth of the climate change damage existential threat.

The people who think that this climate change horror can be addressed by incremental measures are, as Aristotle said, deliberately becoming irrational.


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Thus choice is firmly in the realm of practical, ethical action. With his emphasis on dianoia , Aristotle offers one way to think about responsibility to the future;

it is the lack of "thinking things through," in preference for shortsightedness regarding means and ends, that results in acts of harm, both to the environment and to future people.

If we fail to think things through to the consequences of our actions we are not acting responsibly.


And ignorance is no justification for poor choices, for Aristotle points out that we can be ignorant and still responsible.

If we deliberately become irrational, as when we become drunk, or when we ought to know something and yet fail to, we are still held responsible, "on the grounds that it is up to people themselves not to be ignorant, since they are in control of how much care they take" (NE 1114a).

http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/climate-change/future-earth/msg3885/#msg3885
The FACT that advocating incremental measures will not prevent the existential threat from getting worse is justification for DEMANDING DRASTIC measures! 

Only a deliberately irrational person or a propagandist would argue that the issue here is between doing nothing and incremental measures. YEAH! BOTH doing nothing and incremental measures are insufficient, even though the mindset of the irresponsible advocates of incremental measures is somewhat healthier than the nihilists that advocate doing nothing! AND?

WHERE do you get the idea that when somebody says incremental measures are insufficient, they are a advocating doing nothing, HUH!!? That's BULLSHIT!

I totally agree that wholesale changes as opposed to incremental changes are the order of the day but to answer your last question about how some people advocate doing nothing, I hear it all the time. There are a good number of people and it is not just the corporate shills who say this but regular folk who will say things like the market will resolve these issues or "they" (with they rarely being clearly defined) will find a solution so there is no need for us to worry and we can carry on doing our daily (destructive) habits. Then you have the other side of people who have lost all hope and when you suggest PVs or any other renewable solution they will throw their hands in the air and say it is futile. Heck in the Nature Bats Last blog anyone who proposed a solution, of any sort will be labelled delusional. So you see no matter what scenario you have some people will be advocates for doing nothing. Is that bullshit? Certainly but nonetheless a good number of people say it. What you can infer from it is there is a considerable number of people who are irrational.

These ideas are also dangerous because when things do go wrong then since they felt a solution would have naturally evolved the fact that one doesn't means people will think there is a problem with the political or economic system and not see that the problem is the basic framework of our society which promotes consumption and the disregard of resources, pollution and energy. This will make people take the wrong actions or suggest incremental changes when more drastic measures are required.

Well, according to Aristotle, choosing to be ignorant of all the facts, be they good news or bad news, is, by definition, irresponsible because it is a choice to become deliberately irrational. Aristotle stated that humans have no excuse for ignorance born of deliberate irrationality.

And that choice to become deliberately irrational is more applicable to those advocating incremental measures than to those nihilists that have chosen to despair.

As to your assumption that all the above equates to a large percentage of humanity being deliberately irrational, I believe you are wrong. That really would be a valid reason to despair.

You are right that anyone that thinks our society is based on anything but a multiplicity of schemes to favor a few and shaft the rest is deluded.

But you are wrong to think the masses cannot handle that reality check because they would despair.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is sine qua non to our survival. The lip service paid to truth in our society is a bad joke. As you have said many times, our society is dysfunctional.

Dysfunctional mechanisms eventually stop working. That is reality. The fact that all this is occurring in slow motion blinds many to think the problems we have are superficial, not intrinsic.

RE pictures a society where greed is SHUNNED. The intrinsic problem of the present society is that greed is CELEBRATED.

All the downstream effects of biosphere math challenged greedballs are toxic fruit of the celebration of greed. 

The bottom line for me is that a belief that incremental measures are sufficient to address the existential threat we face breeds false hope.

And Monsta, the crowd into despair probably does not make it to 2 or4 % of humanity, so it is really NOT the issue. Putting the despair crowd in the same category (in numbers and influence) as the incremental measures crowd is a false equivalence.

The incremental measures crowd are the BACKBONE of the foot dragging efforts by policy makers to AVOID drastic measures to address climate change.

The incremental measures supporting crowd easily represents 40% to 60% of the population. And those deliberately irrational people are over-represented in the upper 20% of the human population doing 80% of the damage.

The despair crowd is not the problem. You always have a few people out there claiming the end is near. It's the incremental measures crowd that is the PROBLEM.

And their deliberate irrationality is exacerbating the magnitude of the existential threat we face.

Being deliberately irrational is not what is BULLSHIT. What is BULLSHIT is claiming the crowd advocating incremental measures is somehow being more "reality based" than those, like me, who advocate drastic measures, regardless of the hand wringing by the incrementalists about "negative" effects on GDP.

The "real world" of our dysfunctional society is what those incremental measures folks base their assumptions on. They are hurting not helping. And NO, if you strip the happy talk based wishful thinking propaganda from the incremental measures crowd, they are NOT going to automatically jump in with the nihilist despair crowd.

The overwhelming majority of them will THEN demand drastic measures be taken to ameliorate global warming.

A lot of ass holes advocating incremental changes understand that too well. THAT'S WHY they push the FALSE MEME that too much negative news, regardless of how true that negative news is, will drive people to despair.

That is the segment of the incremental measures crowd married to the dysfunctional "real world" of the "greed is good" society that is degrading democracy and the biosphere.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

 

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