Renewable Revolution

Agelbert NOTE:This post was made about a year ago on another forum in response to a Doom and Gloom prediction of Civilizational collapse by a fellow with the "Monsta666"  handle.

It is also very prudent to remember that because our industrialised society is so truly unsustainable on so many levels that very dramatic changes must happen for society to regain a balance with nature.

It is also even MORE prudent to NOT assume that collapse is inevitable.

WHY? Because industrialized society is so fragmented in it's energy using processes that a huge segment of it can still continue while another segment blacks out.

The fact that the present overall structure is unsustainable does not justify the assumption that very dramatic changes must happen for society to avoid a collapse. Assuming that one thing MUST lead to the other is incorrect and inaccurate logic.


I have argued and continue to argue, with quite a bit of data, that the reverse is true. That is, VERY dramatic changes, like nuclear war, MUST occur for a collapse to occur.

Otherwise, it won't, REGARDLESS OF HOW BAD THE WEATHER GETS because the fascists have the guns and the high tech murderous toys to kill off the revolting rabble ANY TIME. You just don't want to go there.

You are in denial Monsta666. This is my final attempt to get you to see reason. If you do not admit to the possibility that a collapse WON'T occur based on the robustness of present society to respond to damage and emergencies, then I will continue to post while ignoring anything you post because you are sold on your own ideological position.

As the years pass and NO COLLAPSE occurs, you will be forced to reach for ever more implausible scenarios of how said collapse WILL occur.

When a fossil fuel fascist engineered scare tactic type "collapse" of a large city of a third world economy occurs you will seize on this to yell, THE END IS NEAR! But you will be proven wrong again and again as the system, corrupt as it is, rebounds and continues to limp along, to your chagrin.


Even now, the governments of the world are mobilizing to toughen up their electrical grids. Look HARD at what is going on out there and realize that the trigger, focus and motivator of human affairs now is not financial theory or politics or unsustainable energy infrastructure. All those are horrendously flawed as you, AND I, have taken great pains to point out.

HOWEVER, it's the GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE that is making the idiots clinging to the fossil fuel fascist dystopian modern human power structure to change their ways, not lack of, food, overpopulation, or lack of proper financing.

This is an example of how those governments are sensing that they are in BIG trouble and moving to PREVENT collapse. Pay attention or be proven wrong, Monsta666.

Global Smart Grid Technologies Market - Industry Analysis, Size, Share, Growth, Trends and Forecast 2012 - 2018      

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Albany, NY -- (SBWIRE) -- 07/23/2013 -- The growing need of nations across the globe to reduce the cost of blackouts is driving the market for smart grids. The conventional electrical grids installed in many countries are now aging and this is causing massive electrical blackouts.

Governments of many countries are incurring huge losses in order to maintain conventional electrical grids,[size=1opt] owing to which they are now focusing on smart grid technologies. The market is primarily driven by the growing need of robust electrical supply technologies that cannot be interrupted.

According to a study, power outages and blackouts costs nearly USD 80 billion annually in the United States. To reduce these costs, governments are continuously looking for new technologies which are more effective and efficient.

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Some other factors the market desires include the characteristics of these technologies such as the ability to generate higher quality power and the fact that these are self correcting. However, the market is inhibited by huge initial capital required to set up these technologies and the lack of awareness amongst under developed countries.

Some of the leading companies operating in this industry segment are Alvarion Inc, Ambient Corp, American Superconductor Corp, Comverge Inc, and 3 M Company. This research report analyzes this market depending on its market segments, major geographies, and current market trends.

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Asia Pacific

Europe

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Even the CIA, not known for tree hugging  , recognizes the PARAMOUNT importance of Climate change to damage civilization and is moving to counter it.

CIA backs study into how to stop climate change through geoengineering.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-backs-630000-study-into-how-to-control-global-weather-through-geoengineering-8724501.html

MONSTA666, Let the ideology go and open your eyes to the possibility that a TOTAL collapse won't occur.

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TOTAL Collapse (Monsta666's theory) probability WITHOUT a NUCLEAR WARThe above GOLDEN pig with wings is officially named the GOLDEN DARWIN AWARD  (presented to anyone with a less than 25% prediction success rate  ). Feel free to present it to ME if what I say doesn't pan out. But what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.  :icon_mrgreen:

Agelbert's PREDICTIONs for 2013-2017:

1. THERE WILL BE NO TOTAL COLLAPSE OF CIVILIZATION

2. THERE WILL BE A FOSSIL FUEL FASCIST ENGINEERED COLLAPSE OF AT LEAST ONE LARGE CITY POWER GRID AND/OR ONE OR TWO THIRD WORLD COUNTRY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

3. BY 2017 AVERAGE WIND SPEED INCREASE OVER THE EARTH AND OCEAN WAVE ACTION WILL CAUSE SEVERE BEACH EROSION AND DIFFICULT OCEAN PASSAGE AS WELL AS MORE INFRASTRUCTURE DAMAGE ON LAND THAN EVER BEFORE IN HUMAN HISTORY.

4. THE FIRST ICE FREE SUMMER IN THE ARCTIC WILL BE IN THE YEAR 2017.

5. PAKISTAN WILL COME TO THE BRINK OF NUCLEAR WAR WITH INDIA WHEN THE INDUS RIVER WATER FLOW SLOWS DOWN DUE TO MELTED GLACIERS (INDIA CONTROLS THE INDUS AND WILL REQUIRE MOST OF THE REMAINING WATER- PAKISTAN IS BASICALLLY A DESERT).