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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2014, 04:36:46 pm »
From a recent (and ALSO FUTURE) conversation:  8)
 
Thank you for those words and your heartfelt response.

The frustration with inaction in the face of our Thelma and Louise (hopefully BEFORE they went off the cliff) trajectory is no accident. Our media work 24/7 to achieve popular paralysis.

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One reason our society is able to persist in its delusion that the suffering it creates is acceptable is that we don't allow the experience of grief, especially in the public realm. Grief needs to be held in community.

I would add that the propaganda effort to make grief "unacceptable" (you need to "move on" an so on   ) includes a false premise. That is, that the sine qua non of a happy life is the avoidance of pain and the seeking of pleasure 24/7. The stoic, for whatever reason, is WILLING, WANTING and MOTIVATED to SUFFER in order to destroy an evil for altruistic purposes, even though it may cause said person discomfort, hunger, pain, injury and possibly death.

Our materialistic society has been TRAINED to eschew sacrifice for a better tomorrow DELIBERATELY selling it to us as the PROPER way for a person to live free of "silly superstitions" when IN REALITY, it is the IDEAL WAY to keep a population PARALYZED in the face of severe abuse of a large segment by the oligarchy.

Every man for himself is a DEATH SENTENCE for Homo Sapiens and the HOLY GRAIL of the 1% who MISTAKENLY believe all their problems will be solved by eliminating the "useless eater billions" from the planet.

You have always been really critical of religion as the CAUSE of society's worst atrocities, hypocrisies, bigotries, and murderous behavior.

I think you are partially right. But underlying all that is NOT the premise (that you seem to have accepted) that the problem was having faith in another life and the willingness to die for "God's" will. The problem was, and still IS, that WE are NOT willing, without a belief in a higher purpose,  to SACRIFICE for each other for a better society and a sustainable biosphere.

The elite, throughout the 20th century, worked OVERTIME to seed ME FIRST into all of us. Its the ULTIMATE divide and crush strategy. It's working.

Whether it is for religion or scientific awareness that we are all part of one large life force and MUST defend it through altruistic behavior TO THE DEATH, if need be, that is the ONLY way we are going to ACCEPT the present situation, GRIEVE for it and be willing to DIE to stop the insanity even if WE PERSONALLY do not benefit.

So tell me JRM, HOW THE ForK are you going to motivate people to do that if they believe that the only thing there IS, is ME FIRST until you die? ???

The destruction of faith and religiosity (the real kind, not the hypocritical duplicitous crap that greedball leaders have espoused) was deliberate. "Religion is the enemy of reasonable and science based nations in MODERN society". How's that workin' for us, eh?  :P

It's NOT WORKING JRM! You can scream and holler about the inquisition or whatever and it's ALL PEANUTS compared with "it's all here, it's NOW, might is right, cooperation is a guise to fool the competition and help destroy it" GAME THEORY that has REPLACED altruistic self denial and sacrifice for others based on religious beliefs.

Sorry JRM, the "cure" for "baseless superstition" is WORSE than the disease.                            


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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2014, 05:25:30 pm »
JRM assumes that:
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theologians are stirring up armies.

And you claim you have NOTHING against religion? 

As to sacrifice being a form of liberation when viewed as a good, that's a semantic difference that may be important to YOU because you eschew the idea of suffering to help someone else (instead of yourself) survive for a greater good.

You completely avoided the massive ME FIRST, "hedonisim is IT" 20th CENTURY PROPAGANDA EFFORT TO destroy RELIGION. Why? THAT IS the direct cause of our current woes, NOT the "theologians" you have an "anti-universalist" bone to pick with.

Sorry pal, ALL the wars have ALWAYS been about power and greed. The USE of religion by the leaders that don't believe in ANYTHING but themselves is the CAUSE of the "so-called" wars caused by theologians.

The new agers thought WRONGLY that, once people got off the "we must serve God to defeat and kill the infidels" our "great leaders" claim threaten our "religion", everything would be love and peace.

It hasn't worked out BECAUSE new age is about PLEASURE 24/7. Anybody into that is easily manipulated into avoiding pain no matter how many OTHER people get shafted with that pain, just as long as someone ESLSE is getting the PAIN.

Claiming that "we are all one" is all well and good IF, as the ant colony social insects do, you are willing to DIE for the greater good of the colony. It just will not work out for an ant to say, "we are all one" but refuse to function as a subset of the colony, now will it? Almost all the ants are female. Sometimes the "wrong" ant gets pregnant. The other ants don't kill the pregnant (non-queen) ant. They hold it down for DAYS until it is WEANED of the hormones that will allow the development of offspring. Yeah, it's a sort of abortion practiced by ants.

No amount of rationalization can avoid the FACT that, IF THERE IS NO GOD,  you need to accept the "fact" that dying without offspring is STUPID BEHAVIOR from a Social Darwinist perspective and ME FIRST, kill anybody in the way of my goodies, is SMART behavior. It's ALSO "smart" to PRETEND religiosity in order to fool people into dying for a cause that counters self preservation "wisdom". THAT is the real reason for wars dressed up historically as "religious" wars.

GREED and the Nietzschean TERRITORIAL IMPERATIVE of power hungry megalomaniacs is what is stirring up armies.

Religions certainly have been USED to divide and conquer through GUILE, not based on the tenets of monotheism about the brotherhood of man and our responsibility to care for ALL of God's creation. People who don't believe in anything but ME FIRST have ALWAYS been the ones that fomented "religious" wars for the purpose of satisfying THEIR greed while cleverly claiming a "devotion" to doing "God's will". 

So now we have a "let's have fun forever"
propagandized population the is, granted    ;D, HARD to convince to go die for a greater cause. That's the upside of hedonism and ME FIRST FOREVER. The downside is that the population won't move a finger to stop tyranny until it hits them personally. :(  It's the perfect 'divide and conquer until it's too forking late to do anything about it' strategy. 

In the sixteenth century a population dominated by ME FIRSTERS would have certainly prevented a lot of "religious wars". But now that MACHINES do MOST of the killing and a handful of ME FIRSTER people in deep underground bunkers can unleash nuclear holocaust while being assured of living out their lives in comfort with plenty of food, we are in DEEP S H I T.  :o

When someone says to me, "Peace and love, brother. We are all one so your death is, in the overall scheme of this grand and glorious simulacrum multiverse, not that big a deal", I trfanslate that as: SORRY PAL, I HAVE NO VALID REASON TO SACRIFICE OR DIE FOR YOU. 

ME FIRST is the problem that will destroy Homo Sap if the willingness to sacrifice oneself for a greater good does not prevail. If everyone believes that there IS NO GREATER GOOD than "survival of the apex predator" , we have had it.   
 

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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2014, 03:57:16 pm »
  Methane Blow-Holes Sign of Runaway Climate Change?  


Donna Lisenby | August 2, 2014 8:51 am

Scientists think this mysterious crater may be a giant methane blow-hole that signals the beginning of runaway climate change.

They are calling the point when frozen arctic methane in Canada, Alaska and Russia starts erupting into the atmosphere dragon burps.

Dragon’s mouth … a crater recently discovered in the Yamal Peninsula, in Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Russia. Russian scientists said that they believe the 60-meter wide crater could be the result of changing temperatures in the region.

Check out this story * that contains graphs showing such elevated methane levels that they labeled them WTF.

Rising trend … the “dragon’s breath” methane spikes have been recorded eight times in the past 22 years.
If you have ever wondered whether you might see the end of the world as we know it in your life time, you probably should NOT read this story nor study the graphs or look at the pictures of methane blow holes aka dragon burps.
I think Dr. Jason Box (see "Is the climate dragon awakening?" below), who has highlighted the appearance of dangerous spikes in methane above Siberia, sums it up best, “If we don’t get atmospheric carbon down and cool the Arctic, the climate physics and recent observations tell me we will probably trigger the release of these vast carbon stores, dooming our kids’ to a hothouse Earth.”
http://ecowatch.com/2014/...low-holes-climate-change/

* Are Siberia’s methane blow-holes the first warning sign of unstoppable climate change?
Jamie Seidel
News Corp Australia Network
July 30, 2014 11:55AM

WHAT do three enormous craters in the Siberian wastelands have to do with a terrified American climate scientist? Methane. And that’s something to scare us all.

The end of the world could be starting right now — in a frozen Siberian wasteland known as Yamal. It translates as “The End of the Land”.

The first mysterious crater was spotted by oil workers earlier this month. It was an 80m wide cavern that reached deep into the earth.

Since then, the Siberian Times reports goatherds have found a further two enormous vents in the ground.

Russian researchers have returned from their investigation of the first find and taken water and soil samples to help resolve how the hole was formed.

Some say aliens. Some say they’re “hellmouths” — gateways to the undead.

But scientists already have a pretty good idea.
Explosive vents of vast quantities of methane gas.

Now a new, ominous, name could be attached to them: Dragon’s mouths.

Here’s where a blog posted by American professor in glaciology Dr Jason Box   
at the weekend comes in: “The dragon breath hypothesis has me losing sleep.”**


** Is the climate dragon awakening?

Using a vast and credible set of climate measurements and physics, James Hansen’s Storms of My Grandchildren makes the case that humans overloading the atmosphere with carbon would eventually trigger the release of vast additional carbon stores locked in shallow sea gas hydrates and from Arctic tundra.

In my professional opinion as a climatologist with more than 70 externally reviewed scientific publications, after 12 years of university education focused on atmospheric and oceanic science, and followed by 10 years of university lecturing on micro and mesoscale meteorology theory and instrumentation, Hansen’s warnings should be met with an aggressive atmospheric decarbonization program.

We have been too long on a trajectory pointed at an unmanageable climate calamity; runaway climate heating.
 If we don’t get atmospheric carbon down and cool the Arctic, the climate physics and recent observations tell me we will probably trigger the release of these vast carbon stores, dooming our kids’ to a hothouse Earth. [ That’s a tough statement to read when your worry budget is already full as most of ours is.

Another SNIPPET (full story at link I just gave you):

My understanding was that the methane bubbles can’t or don’t make it to the surface, instead are converted to much less potent carbon dioxide before reaching the surface. Then, here’s what we hear from 4 days ago   :ofrom a Swedish team now surveying the Laptev sea with a very high-end icebreaker, named for the main Norse god.

The Swedish team states “At several places, the methane “bubbles“ even rose to the ocean surface. That’s damn scary.    Atmospheric methane release is a much bigger problem than atmospheric carbon dioxide release, since methane is ~20 times more powerful greenhouse gas. If as it seems, sea ice reduction is destabilizing the shallow Arctic Ocean continental shelf waters. Without the reflective cover, the ocean is taking on a lot more solar heating during the 24 h summer days, making it harder for the sea ice to reform, in a self compounding feedback process. Places like the Laptev and East Siberian seas, are shallow, and the water column can more easily be mixed by wind action than when sea ice cover was there. This new heating and mixing can be what unlocks the shallow sea gas hydrates, allowing the methane up to the surface.

https://www.youtube.com/w...p;feature=player_embedded
The methane bubbles they filmed boiling up toward, even to the surface of the Arctic Ocean.


http://www.couriermail.co...eea5e77db4fb935624edb7777
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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2014, 05:42:42 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/wa...p;feature=player_embedded

Titanic lifelike sinking animation: Metaphor for Homo Sap Hubris?
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Excellent and sobering video on the almost inevitable extinction of Homo SAP!

https://www.youtube.com/w...p;feature=player_embedded




I mostly agree with the data. I learned from her some new and frightening stuff about methane in New Zealand and Antarctica. Also that the polar vortex was actually split in half last winter! She explained quite clearly how the cold here WAS a HUGE sign of ACCELERATING global temperature rise. Also, she shows how the ocean temperatures are, WHERE THERE IS NO ICE, HOTTER by a lot (4 C OR MORE) except where glaciers are sending melt water into the oceans and causing temporary cooling anomalies. She believes 2015 -2016 is the first ice free summer in the arctic. I'll stick with my prediction made two years ago of 2017.  8)

But the gist of her talk (and I agree with her!) is that runaway global warming CANNOT be stopped once the methane monster is kick started by an ice free arctic. 


Methane Monster



Diagram of DOOM





We certainly WILL go extinct if a miracle does not occur. I do believe a miracle is possible but, to tell you the truth, I don't see the point. But then I'm not God so who knows?

I figure we have LESS than a decade to COMPLETELY reverse course on dirty energy AND ACCEPT that mankind is small part of the biosphere and he MUST treat ALL life with respect for his OWN physical AND moral survival.

This GIANT serving of HUMBLE PIE is NOT optional.


But we can't even agree on the PHYSICAL nature of this problem!  Never mind the sine qua non spiritual development needed for a self aware species capable of DESTROYING itself and those around it.

OUR problem is MOSTLY spiritual (behavioral/moral), not resource or energy related. We HAVE the brains to create an equitable, egalitarian society in harmony with the biosphere for the Glory of God, Gaia or whatever; WE JUST DON'T WANT TO!    


That is the  REASON I don't see "the point". I firmly believe our modern society is empathy challenged (as does she). IOW, I believe, regardless of her "it's over" pitch, she thinks there MAY be a way out of this but is convinced we are INCAPABLE of taking it until it is TOO LATE  because of the following Chris Hedges EPITAPH for our "Greed is Good" society. 




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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2014, 10:13:22 pm »
12 Places Worth Protecting
The Pew Charitable Trusts
http://ecowatch.com/2014/...-places-worth-protecting/
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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2014, 01:14:19 pm »
David Suzuki: Put People Before Politics

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All the energy in our bodies that we use to move, grow and reproduce is sunlight captured by plants in photosynthesis and converted to chemical energy, which we ingest. We eat plants and animals for our nourishment, so whatever they’re exposed to ends up in our bodies. We need clean soil to give us clean food.

These are basic, biological facts and should be the prism through which any decision is made at individual, corporate or government levels. Protection of air, water, soil and the web of life should be the highest social, political and economic priority.

We’re also social animals. Scientists have shown that love during childhood is essential for healthy development. Children who are deprived of love at critical points can develop a variety of physical and psychological deficits. To avoid those, we have to work for strong families and supportive communities, full employment, justice, greater income and gender equity and freedom from terror, genocide and war.

Finally, we are spiritual creatures who require sacred places, a sense of belonging to the world and a recognition that we are not in charge of nature, but dependent on the biosphere for our health and well-being. We are not outside of nature; we are part of it.


To be fully healthy and human, our most elemental needs are biological, social and spiritual. Politicians ought to know this. Their role is to protect and enhance those necessities of life; otherwise there is no vision, direction or leadership.

That’s why it’s absurd for a politician or government representative to speak about any aspect of the economy without acknowledging the threat of human-induced climate change. Many oppose doing anything on ideological grounds, but the science is overwhelming and compelling, and the need for action is clear. What can you say about “leaders” who choose to ignore the best available evidence to the detriment of the people they are elected to represent?

Surely those who act only for short-term economic gain, imposing destructive consequences on generations to come, must be held responsible. We must also consider the consequences of rapid and excessive exploitation of fossil fuels on the world’s poorest people, who have done little to create climate change but are most affected by it.

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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2014, 01:15:08 pm »
Climate Scientists Spell Out Stark Danger And Immorality Of Inaction In New Leaked Report


 by Joe Romm Posted on August 27, 2014 at 4:24 pm


http://thinkprogress.org/...ntists-draft-ipcc-report/

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Humanity’s choice (via IPCC):

Aggressive climate action ASAP (left figure) minimizes future warming and costs a mere 0.06% of annual growth.

Continued inaction (right figure) results in catastrophic and irreversible levels of warming, 9°F over much of U.S.

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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2014, 10:32:49 pm »

To be written on the tombstone of HOMO SAP. 
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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2014, 07:31:29 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/wa...p;feature=player_embedded
Guy McPherson gives an EXCELLENT summary of our society's SUICIDAL DYSFUNCTION including the oligarchic elements within it that target ANYONE that wakes up and wants to actually fix the DELIBERATE PROFIT OVER PLANET DYSFUNCTION in politics, industry, the economy and the environment.

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Kurt Vonnegut's son is asked "WHY ARE WE HERE?" He answered, WE ARE HERE TO HELP EACH OTHER THROUGH THIS, WHATEVER "THIS" IS.

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The REAL HOTTIES!
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2014, 12:21:15 am »
The REAL HOTTIES!   

What is the Most Heat Tolerant Multicellular Creature?


Pompeii Worm is a Thermophile: A form of extremophile that thrives in extremely intense temperatures.

The Pompeii worm is the most heat-tolerant multicellular creature, able to withstand temperatures above 176 degrees Fahrenheit (80 degrees Celsius). Until the Pompeii worm was discovered in the 1980s near the Galápagos Islands, common belief held that only single-celled organisms could withstand extreme heat. Pompeii worms can grow up to 5 inches (13 cm), and live in small tubes near hydrothermal vents on the seafloor.

More about heat-resistant creatures:

•Other sea creatures that have been found to live near underwater fissures include species of shrimp and mussels. Mussel beds have even been found buried in lava.  :o


Cataglyphis bicolor                                       Hi, human! I'll still be here when you AIN'T!  ;D
•The most heat-resistant land-based creature is the Cataglyphis bicolor, an ant that lives in the Sahara desert. The ant can survive in temperatures over 131 degrees Fahrenheit (55 degrees Celsius).


Due to rising global temperatures, researchers at the University of Delaware have begun to study farm animals in order to develop breeds that can survive in warmer temperatures. 


http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-most-heat-tolerant-multicellular-creature.htm

Agelbert NOTE: Above please the old "It was commonly believed" expression so NEAR AND DEAR to our SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. Now, let me get this straight.   
  Our "highly advanced" knowledge of biochemistry and the laws of thermodynamics in the 1980s coupled with nearly a century of accumulated knowledge through MATH and EMPIRICAL SCIENCE (OF COURSE, IT'S A "we always do the math"  HORSE! ), of the absolutely essential requirements for sustaining life in a Multicellular Creature led our SCIENTISTS to ASS-U-ME no critter cain live when it's dat hot! 

Remember that the next time some arrogant scientist tells you he has "done the math" and it's just not possible according the cause and effect physical rules of this universe!  8)



There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,  Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.*
 - Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio   Shakespeare


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