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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2014, 10:06:34 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU14fItHGgc&feature=player_embedded
Jump to 4:50 where Jeff starts.


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Published on Oct 21, 2012 Agelbert NOTE: But prophetic from then until now and on into the future.

Consider today's sociopolitical landscape and it's likely you'll note the environment and the economy don't exactly go hand in hand.

In reality, the two are inextricable and, increasingly, need to be treated as such, according to Jeff Rubin, the award-winning economist who, along with David Suzuki, wraps up a cross-Canada tour addressing the juncture of the two issues on October 18, 2012 in Alumni Hall.

Rubin, former chief economist and chief strategist for CIBC World Markets, is the author of The End of Growth, a national bestseller. He was among the first economists to predict rising oil prices more than a decade ago and is one of the most sought-after energy experts.

Suzuki, an environmental activist, academic and broadcaster, is perhaps best known for The Nature of Things on CBC television. He has written more than 40 books and is known as a leader in sustainable ecology.

The End of Growth Eco Tour came out of a meeting earlier this year in which the two realized their goals of addressing climate change and sustainability were the same, despite an approach from different disciplines.

The event was sponsored by The Bookstore at Western and the USC.
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Time to outgrow the Corporate LIARS that run the Fascist SHOW to keep people INFANTALIZED in the USA and IGNORING  REALITY or there will be NO FUTURE! Being WILLFULLY IGNORANT is BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH!                                >:(

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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 07:10:37 pm »
Published on Thursday, May 22, 2014 by TomDispatch
The 95% Doctrine: Climate Change as a Weapon of Mass Destruction Is climate change a crime against humanity? Let's go with... Yes.

by Tom Engelhardt

The fossil fuel industry is waging a war on the planet's ecosystem and her people.
It's not only unnecessary and obscene, but should be considered a crime.

Who could forget? At the time, in the fall of 2002, there was such a drumbeat of “information” from top figures in the Bush administration about the secret Iraqi program to develop weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and so endanger the United States. And who -- other than a few suckers -- could have doubted that Saddam Hussein was eventually going to get a nuclear weapon? The only question, as our vice president suggested on “Meet the Press,” was: Would it take one year or five? And he wasn’t alone in his fears, since there was plenty of proof of what was going on.

 For starters, there were those “specially designed aluminum tubes”  that the Iraqi autocrat had ordered as components for centrifuges to enrich uranium in his thriving nuclear weapons program. Reporters Judith Miller and Michael Gordon hit the front page of the New York Times with that story on September 8, 2002.

Then there were those “mushroom clouds”  that Condoleezza Rice, our national security advisor, was so publicly worried about -- the ones destined to rise over American cities if we didn’t do something to stop Saddam. As she fretted in a CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer on that same September 8th, “[W]e don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.” No, indeed, and nor, it turned out, did Congress!

And just in case you weren’t anxious enough about the looming Iraqi threat, there were those unmanned aerial vehicles -- Saddam’s drones!  -- that could be armed with chemical or biological WMD from his arsenal and flown over America’s East Coast cities with unimaginable results.  ::)  President George W. Bush went on TV to talk about them and congressional votes were changed in favor of war thanks to hair-raising secret administration briefings about them on Capitol Hill.

In the end, it turned out that Saddam had no weapons program, no nuclear bomb in the offing, no centrifuges for those aluminum pipes, no biological or chemical weapons caches, and no drone aircraft to deliver his nonexistent weapons of mass destruction (nor any ships capable of putting those nonexistent robotic planes in the vicinity of the U.S. coast). But what if he had? Who wanted to take that chance? Not Vice President Dick Cheney, certainly. Inside the Bush administration he propounded something that journalist Ron Suskind later dubbed the “one percent doctrine.” Its essence was this:

if there was even a 1% chance of an attack on the United States, especially involving weapons of mass destruction, it must be dealt with as if it were a 95%-100% certainty.

Here’s the curious thing: if you look back on America's apocalyptic fears of destruction during the first 14 years of this century, they largely involved three city-busting weapons that were fantasies of Washington’s fertile imperial imagination. There was that “bomb” of Saddam’s, which provided part of the pretext for a much-desired invasion of Iraq. There was the “bomb” of the mullahs, the Iranian fundamentalist regime that we’ve just loved to hate ever since they repaid us, in 1979, for the CIA’s overthrow of an elected government in 1953 and the installation of the Shah by taking the staff of the U.S. embassy in Tehran hostage. If you believed the news from Washington and Tel Aviv, the Iranians, too, were perilously close to producing a nuclear weapon or at least repeatedly on the verge of the verge of doing so. The production of that “Iranian bomb” has, for years, been a focus of American policy in the Middle East, the “brink” beyond which war has endlessly loomed. And yet there was and is no Iranian bomb, nor evidence that the Iranians were or are on the verge of producing one.

Finally, of course, there was al-Qaeda’s bomb, the “dirty bomb” that organization might somehow assemble, transport to the U.S., and set off in an American city, or the “loose nuke,” maybe from the Pakistani arsenal, with which it might do the same. This is the third fantasy bomb that has riveted American attention in these last years, even though there is less evidence for or likelihood of its imminent existence than of the Iraqi and Iranian ones.

To sum up, the strange thing about end-of-the-world-as-we’ve-known-it scenarios from Washington, post-9/11, is this: with a single exception, they involved only non-existent weapons of mass destruction. A fourth weapon -- one that existed but played a more modest role in Washington’s fantasies -- was North Korea’s perfectly real bomb, which in these years the North Koreans were incapable of delivering to American shores.

The "Good News" About Climate Change

In a world in which nuclear weapons remain a crucial coin of the realm when it comes to global power, none of these examples could quite be classified as 0% dangers. Saddam had once had a nuclear program, just not in 2002-2003, and also chemical weapons, which he used against Iranian troops in his 1980s war with their country (with the help of targeting information from the U.S. military) and against his own Kurdish population. The Iranians might (or might not) have been preparing their nuclear program for a possible weapons breakout capability, and al-Qaeda certainly would not have rejected a loose nuke, if one were available (though that organization’s ability to use it would still have been questionable).

In the meantime, the giant arsenals of WMD in existence, the American, Russian, Chinese, Israeli, Pakistani, and Indian ones that might actually have left a crippled or devastated planet behind, remained largely off the American radar screen. In the case of the Indian arsenal, the Bush administration actually lent an indirect hand to its expansion. >:(  So it was twenty-first-century typical when President Obama, trying to put Russia's recent actions in the Ukraine in perspective, said, “Russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors. I continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan.” --

Once again, an American president was focused on a bomb that would raise a mushroom cloud over Manhattan. And which bomb, exactly, was that, Mr. President?

Of course, there was a weapon of mass destruction that could indeed do staggering damage to or someday simply drown New York City, Washington D.C., Miami, and other East coast cities. It had its own efficient delivery systems -- no nonexistent drones or Islamic fanatics needed. And unlike the Iraqi, Iranian, or al-Qaeda bombs, it was guaranteed to be delivered to our shores unless preventative action was taken soon. No one needed to hunt for its secret facilities. It was a weapons system whose production plants sat in full view right here in the United States, as well as in Europe, China, and India, as well as in Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Venezuela, and other energy states.

So here’s a question I’d like any of you living in or visiting Wyoming to ask the former vice president, should you run into him in a state that’s notoriously thin on population:
How would he feel about acting preventively, if instead of a 1% chance that some country with weapons of mass destruction might use them against us, there was at least a 95% -- and likely as not a 100% -- chance of them being set off on our soil? Let’s be conservative, since the question is being posed to a well-known neoconservative. Ask him whether he would be in favor of pursuing the 95% doctrine the way he was the 1% version.

After all, thanks to a grim report in 2013 from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, we know that there is now a 95%-100% likelihood that “human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming [of the planet] since the mid-20th century.” We know as well that the warming of the planet -- thanks to the fossil fuel system we live by and the greenhouse gases it deposits in the atmosphere -- is already doing real damage to our world and specifically to the United States, as a recent scientific report released by the White House made clear. We also know, with grimly reasonable certainty, what kinds of damage those 95%-100% odds are likely to translate into in the decades, and even centuries, to come if nothing changes radically: a temperature rise by century’s end that could exceed 10 degrees Fahrenheit, cascading species extinctions, staggeringly severe droughts across larger parts of the planet (as in the present long-term drought in the American West and Southwest), far more severe rainfall across other areas, more intense storms causing far greater damage, devastating heat waves on a scale no one in human history has ever experienced, masses of refugees, rising global food prices, and among other catastrophes on the human agenda, rising sea levels that will drown coastal areas of the planet.
From two scientific studies just released, for example, comes the news that the West Antarctic ice sheet, one of the great ice accumulations on the planet, has now begun a process of melting and collapse that could, centuries from now, raise world sea levels by a nightmarish 10 to 13 feet. That mass of ice is, according to the lead authors of one of the studies, already in “irreversible retreat,” which means -- no matter what acts are taken from now on -- a future death sentence for some of the world's great cities. (And that’s without even the melting of the Greenland ice shield, not to speak of the rest of the ice in Antarctica.)

All of this, of course, will happen mainly because we humans continue to burn fossil fuels at an unprecedented rate and so annually deposit carbon dioxide in the atmosphere at record levels. In other words, we’re talking about weapons of mass destruction of a new kind. While some of their effects are already in play, the planetary destruction that nuclear weapons could cause almost instantaneously, or at least (given “nuclear winter” scenarios) within months, will, with climate change, take decades, if not centuries, to deliver its full, devastating planetary impact.

When we speak of WMD, we usually think of weapons -- nuclear, biological, or chemical -- that are delivered in a measurable moment in time. Consider climate change, then, a WMD on a particularly long fuse, already lit and there for any of us to see. Unlike the feared Iranian bomb or the Pakistani arsenal, you don’t need the CIA or the NSA to ferret such "weaponry" out. From oil wells to fracking structures, deep sea drilling rigs to platforms in the Gulf of Mexico, the machinery that produces this kind of WMD and ensures that it is continuously delivered to its planetary targets is in plain sight. Powerful as it may be, destructive as it will be, those who control it have faith that, being so long developing, it can remain in the open without panicking populations or calling any kind of destruction down on them.

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Re: Future Earth
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 07:11:28 pm »

The companies and energy states that produce such WMD remain remarkably open about what they’re doing.  Generally speaking, they don’t hesitate to make public, or even boast about, their plans for the wholesale destruction of the planet, though of course they are never described that way. Nonetheless, if an Iraqi autocrat or Iranian mullahs spoke in similar fashion about producing nuclear weapons and how they were to be used, they would be toast.

Take ExxonMobil, one of the most profitable corporations in history. In early April, it released two reports that focused on how the company, as Bill McKibben has written, “planned to deal with the fact that [it] and other oil giants have many times more carbon in their collective reserves than scientists say we can safely burn." He went on:

The company said that government restrictions that would force it to keep its [fossil fuel] reserves in the ground were 'highly unlikely,' and that they would not only dig them all up and burn them, but would continue to search for more gas and oil -- a search that currently consumes about $100 million of its investors’ money every single day. 'Based on this analysis, we are confident that none of our hydrocarbon reserves are now or will become "stranded."'

In other words, Exxon plans to exploit whatever fossil fuel reserves it possesses to their fullest extent. 

Government leaders involved in supporting the production of such weapons of mass destruction and their use are often similarly open about it, even while also discussing steps to mitigate their destructive effects. Take the White House, for instance. Here was a statement President Obama proudly made in Oklahoma in March 2012 on his energy policy:

Now, under my administration, America is producing more oil today than at any time in the last eight years. That's important to know. Over the last three years, I’ve directed my administration to open up millions of acres for gas and oil exploration across 23 different states.  We’re opening up more than 75% of our potential oil resources offshore. We’ve quadrupled the number of operating rigs to a record high. We’ve added enough new oil and gas pipeline to encircle the Earth and then some.

Similarly, on May 5th, just before the White House was to reveal that grim report on climate change in America, and with a Congress incapable of passing even the most rudimentary climate legislation aimed at making the country modestly more energy efficient, senior Obama adviser John Podesta appeared in the White House briefing room to brag about the administration’s “green” energy policy. “The United States,” he said, “is now the largest producer of natural gas    in the world and the largest producer of gas and oil in the world. It's projected that the United States will continue to be the largest producer of natural gas through 2030. For six straight months now, we've produced more oil here at home than we've imported from overseas. So that's all a good-news story.”

Good news indeed, and from Vladmir Putin’s Russia, which just expanded its vast oil and gas holdings by a Maine-sized chunk of the Black Sea off Crimea, to Chinese “carbon bombs,” to Saudi Arabian production guarantees, similar “good-news stories” are similarly promoted. In essence, the creation of ever more greenhouse gases -- of, that is, the engine of our future destruction -- remains a “good news” story for ruling elites on planet Earth.


Weapons of Planetary Destruction

We know exactly what Dick Cheney -- ready to go to war on a 1% possibility that some country might mean us harm -- would answer, if asked about acting on the 95% doctrine. Who can doubt that his response would be similar to those of the giant energy companies, which have funded so much climate-change denialism and false science over the years? He would claim that the science simply isn’t “certain” enough (though “uncertainty” can, in fact, cut two ways), that before we commit vast sums to taking on the phenomenon, we need to know far more, and that, in any case, climate-change science is driven by a political agenda.

For Cheney & Co., it seemed obvious that acting on a 1% possibility was a sensible way to go in America’s “defense” and it’s no less gospel for them that acting on at least a 95% possibility isn’t. For the Republican Party as a whole, climate-change denial is by now nothing less than a litmus test of loyalty, and so even a 101% doctrine wouldn’t do when it comes to fossil fuels and this planet.
No point, of course, in blaming this on fossil fuels or even the carbon dioxide they give off when burned. These are no more weapons of mass destruction than are uranium-235 and plutonium-239.

In this case, the weaponry is the production system that’s been set up to find, extract, sell at staggering profits, and burn those fossil fuels, and so create a greenhouse-gas planet. With climate change, there is no “Little Boy” or “Fat Man” equivalent, no simple weapon to focus on. In this sense, fracking is the weapons system, as is deep-sea drilling, as are those pipelines, and the gas stations, and the coal-fueled power plants, and the millions of cars filling global roads, and the accountants of the most profitable corporations in history.

All of it -- everything that brings endless fossil fuels to market, makes those fuels eminently burnable, and helps suppress the development of non-fossil fuel alternatives -- is the WMD. The CEOs of the planet's giant energy corporations are the dangerous mullahs, the true fundamentalists, of planet Earth, since they are promoting a faith in fossil fuels which is guaranteed to lead us to some version of End Times.
Perhaps we need a new category of weapons with a new acronym to focus us on the nature of our present 95%-100% circumstances. Call them weapons of planetary destruction (WPD) or weapons of planetary harm (WPH). Only two weapons systems would clearly fit such categories. One would be nuclear weapons which, even in a localized war between Pakistan and India, could create some version of “nuclear winter” in which the planet was cut off from the sun by so much smoke and soot that it would grow colder fast, experience a massive loss of crops, of growing seasons, and of life. In the case of a major exchange of such weapons, we would be talking about “the sixth extinction” of planetary history.

Though on a different and harder to grasp time-scale, the burning of fossil fuels could end in a similar fashion -- with a series of “irreversible” disasters that could essentially burn us and much other life off the Earth. This system of destruction on a planetary scale, facilitated by most of the ruling and corporate elites on the planet, is becoming (to bring into play another category not usually used in connection with climate change) the ultimate “crime against humanity” and, in fact, against most living things. It is becoming a “terracide.”    


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Future Earth: Are We Going Underground?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2014, 01:01:38 am »

Are We Going Underground?  ???
SustainableBusiness.com News

 What will happen to humans when climate change really gets going? Some scientists think we'll shrink to hobbit-size :o to give us a chance to survive in a world with much less nourishment.

 Regardless, it will surely be tough and we may end up underground. Here are some ideas people are putting into practice that might be more useful than they seem today. 

Growing Underground - London (picture at link)  ;D

What was once a WWII bomb shelter is being turned into a subterranean urban farm underneath the streets of London.

 100 feet below the street is a 2.5-acre test hydroponic farm being developed by the non-profit Zero Carbon Food. Farming in a tunnel has its advantages - temperatures stay at a steady 60 degrees all year long. No pesticides needed, very little water, powered by LEDs - brings fresh micro-greens like watercress and red amaranth to people that live above. And the space - two long tunnels - is cheap.

 To build out Growing Underground they are crowdfunding and investors are enthusiastic - having contributed about $500,000 in its equity campaign - there are four days left. They start growing this fall.

Urban Farm London Underground  (picture at link)  ;D


Highline - London

Another idea for London's empty tunnels is "Lowline," which would turn some into an underground park and mushroom farm. 

Dark spaces are perfect for growing mushrooms. A series of glass sculptural mushrooms at street level would let in light and also point the way down for visitors. ‘Funghi' restaurants and cafés would be at each entrance.

Lowline - New York City

 In NYC, a group is working on the world's first underground park. After raising funds through crowdfunding, they are in the process of converting an abandoned, underground trolley station into a one-acre park.

 Below the Lower East Side of Manhattan, the site has been vacant since 1948, but it still has cobblestones and vaulted ceilings.

Metro Stations - Paris

A mayoral candidate piqued people's interests when she suggested turning a dozen empty subway stations into a  theater, an art gallery, a swimming pool, a nightclub, and a restaurant.

 Read more:

 
Website: www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/02/12/a_paris_mayoral_candidate_s_plan_to_turn_ghost_m_tro_stations_into_nightclubs.html

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Future Earth: A Wilder Europe
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2014, 08:20:58 pm »
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A Wilder Europe  ;D

An organization hopes to restore natural ecological processes by reintroducing large herbivores to the continent.

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« Last Edit: March 14, 2022, 06:28:56 pm by AGelbert »
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2014, 03:44:31 pm »
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The military understands the realities of climate change and the negative impacts of heavy dependence on fossil fuels.
 
The U.S. House does not. 
 

Agelbert NOTE: it is hoped that the military understands the realities of climate change and the negative devastating impacts of heavy ANY dependence on fossil fuels.


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GREAT COMMENTS! It is refreshing to see that people understand this is REALLY about EVIL based on GREED! I believe evil is the ULTIMATE FORM OF STUPIDITY because it is ego worship based willful stupidity, not ignorance based stupidity.


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The pathetic thing about all of this is that it is not stupidity that is driving this. If the Republicans were just too plain stupid to realize that by denying reality they are putting our planet at risk, I wouldn't like it, but I could understand it. But they are not that stupid. They know what they are doing is wrong but they do it anyway because it will get them money from idiots like the Koch brothers which in turn will keep them in power. That is as good a definition of evil as anything I can imagine!


Reply · Annette Schneider ·  Top Commenter · ANU

Same goes for Abbott's government, supported by Murdoch and the mining multinationals in Australia - they are not as stupid as they make out, which makes them greedy, destructive, selfish people - yeah, evil's the word.


Reply ·  Len Botterill ·  Top Commenter · RMIT University

Annette Schneider , you have hit the nail on the head. Its very frustrating because time is of the essence to limit the destructive effects of climate change. These people in government should be showing the way. Instead, they cut science, won't understand the facts by choice, and show no leadership to deal with the clear and present dangers that will only cost heaps more to address in the future ( if possible).

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You can add Canada under the Harper "regime" to the not-stupid-but-paid-for-ignorance.



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Returning To Green Is Possible 


 We are facing a catastrophic loss of arable land.


 When there is no vegetation cover on the hillsides, the rains come and the water doesn't soak it into the ground. It flows away in a flood that causes even more damage. This water is useless for agriculture, and drought and famine ensue.

 Vegetation is what secures the water, keeps it in the ecosystem. Especially in dry areas, whatever rainfall comes down needs to be infiltrated and retained into the system.

 This film is about rehabilitating large-scale damaged ecosystems. Environmental film maker John D. Liu documents large-scale ecosystem restoration projects in China, Africa, South America and the Middle East.

 You will not believe your eyes when you see a healthy stream of clean water flowing in a previously torrid part of Ethiopia where people starved. It is thanks to 5 or 6 years work restoring the vegetation, and has literally brought the area "back to life."

 What could be more inspiring? Our hero permaculture expert Geoff Lawton is also featured.

 --Bibi Farber

 More information at John D' Liu's website: www.WhatIfWeChange.org
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Agelbert NOTE:This post was made about a year ago on another forum in response to a Doom and Gloom prediction of Civilizational collapse by a fellow with the "Monsta666"  ::) handle.

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It is also very prudent to remember that because our industrialised society is so truly unsustainable on so many levels that very dramatic changes must happen for society to regain a balance with nature.

It is also even MORE prudent to NOT assume that collapse is inevitable.

WHY? Because industrialized society is so fragmented in it's energy using processes that a huge segment of it can still continue while another segment blacks out.

The fact that the present overall structure is unsustainable does not justify the assumption that very dramatic changes must happen for society to avoid a collapse. Assuming that one thing MUST lead to the other is incorrect and inaccurate logic.


I have argued and continue to argue, with quite a bit of data, that the reverse is true. That is, VERY dramatic changes, like nuclear war, MUST occur for a collapse to occur.

Otherwise, it won't, REGARDLESS OF HOW BAD THE WEATHER GETS because the fascists have the guns and the high tech murderous toys to kill off the revolting rabble ANY TIME. You just don't want to go there.

You are in denial Monsta666. This is my final attempt to get you to see reason. If you do not admit to the possibility that a collapse WON'T occur based on the robustness of present society to respond to damage and emergencies, then I will continue to post while ignoring anything you post because you are sold on your own ideological position.

As the years pass and NO COLLAPSE occurs, you will be forced to reach for ever more implausible scenarios of how said collapse WILL occur.

When a fossil fuel fascist engineered scare tactic type "collapse" of a large city of a third world economy occurs you will seize on this to yell, THE END IS NEAR! But you will be proven wrong again and again as the system, corrupt as it is, rebounds and continues to limp along, to your chagrin.


Even now, the governments of the world are mobilizing to toughen up their electrical grids. Look HARD at what is going on out there and realize that the trigger, focus and motivator of human affairs now is not financial theory or politics or unsustainable energy infrastructure. All those are horrendously flawed as you, AND I, have taken great pains to point out.

HOWEVER, it's the GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE that is making the idiots clinging to the fossil fuel fascist dystopian modern human power structure to change their ways, not lack of, food, overpopulation, or lack of proper financing.

This is an example of how those governments are sensing that they are in BIG trouble and moving to PREVENT collapse. Pay attention or be proven wrong, Monsta666.

Global Smart Grid Technologies Market - Industry Analysis, Size, Share, Growth, Trends and Forecast 2012 - 2018      

Now at Transparency Market Research Transparency Market Research Report Add "Smart Grid Technologies Market - Global Industry Analysis, Size, Share, Growth, Trends And Forecast 2012 - 2018" to its database.

Albany, NY -- (SBWIRE) -- 07/23/2013 -- The growing need of nations across the globe to reduce the cost of blackouts is driving the market for smart grids. The conventional electrical grids installed in many countries are now aging and this is causing massive electrical blackouts.

Governments of many countries are incurring huge losses in order to maintain conventional electrical grids,[size=1opt] owing to which they are now focusing on smart grid technologies. The market is primarily driven by the growing need of robust electrical supply technologies that cannot be interrupted.

According to a study, power outages and blackouts costs nearly USD 80 billion annually in the United States. To reduce these costs, governments are continuously looking for new technologies which are more effective and efficient.

Browse Reports @ : http://www.transparencymarketresearch.com/smart-grid-technologies.html

Some other factors the market desires include the characteristics of these technologies such as the ability to generate higher quality power and the fact that these are self correcting. However, the market is inhibited by huge initial capital required to set up these technologies and the lack of awareness amongst under developed countries.

Some of the leading companies operating in this industry segment are Alvarion Inc, Ambient Corp, American Superconductor Corp, Comverge Inc, and 3 M Company. This research report analyzes this market depending on its market segments, major geographies, and current market trends.

Geographies analyzed under this research report include

North America

Asia Pacific

Europe

Rest of the World


This report provides comprehensive analysis of Market growth drivers Factors limiting market growth Current market trends Market structure Market projections for upcoming years

Full Story Here:

http://www.sbwire.com/press-releases/global-smart-grid-technologies-market-industry-analysis-size-share-growth-trends-and-forecast-2012-2018-now-at-transparency-market-research-288359.htm

Even the CIA, not known for tree hugging  ;D, recognizes the PARAMOUNT importance of Climate change to damage civilization and is moving to counter it.

CIA backs study into how to stop climate change through geoengineering.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-backs-630000-study-into-how-to-control-global-weather-through-geoengineering-8724501.html

MONSTA666, Let the ideology go and open your eyes to the possibility that a TOTAL collapse won't occur.

http://www.envisionyourdreamsllc.com/Golden-Pig.jpg

TOTAL Collapse (Monsta666's theory) probability WITHOUT a NUCLEAR WARThe above GOLDEN pig with wings is officially named the GOLDEN DARWIN AWARD  (presented to anyone with a less than 25% prediction success rate  ;)). Feel free to present it to ME if what I say doesn't pan out. But what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.  :icon_mrgreen:

Agelbert's PREDICTIONs for 2013-2017:

1. THERE WILL BE NO TOTAL COLLAPSE OF CIVILIZATION

2. THERE WILL BE A FOSSIL FUEL FASCIST ENGINEERED COLLAPSE OF AT LEAST ONE LARGE CITY POWER GRID AND/OR ONE OR TWO THIRD WORLD COUNTRY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

3. BY 2017 AVERAGE WIND SPEED INCREASE OVER THE EARTH AND OCEAN WAVE ACTION WILL CAUSE SEVERE BEACH EROSION AND DIFFICULT OCEAN PASSAGE AS WELL AS MORE INFRASTRUCTURE DAMAGE ON LAND THAN EVER BEFORE IN HUMAN HISTORY.

4. THE FIRST ICE FREE SUMMER IN THE ARCTIC WILL BE IN THE YEAR 2017.

5. PAKISTAN WILL COME TO THE BRINK OF NUCLEAR WAR WITH INDIA WHEN THE INDUS RIVER WATER FLOW SLOWS DOWN DUE TO MELTED GLACIERS (INDIA CONTROLS THE INDUS AND WILL REQUIRE MOST OF THE REMAINING WATER- PAKISTAN IS BASICALLLY A DESERT).


He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt 10:37

 

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