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Re: Plants Which are BOTH Nutritional and Medicinal
« on: May 05, 2014, 04:34:04 pm »
Say what, JD?

"Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so."  Bertrand Russell

So, does that mean you DON'T eat the celery leaves because of what you learned in college about the Solanaceae family?

Yeah, I have a very specific working knowledge of what alkaloids ARE and what they DO. Something you failed to mention is that low concentrations of the alkaloids in food products can detoxify your system and improve your immune function. It's all about concentration percentage, something you painted with a rather broad, unscientific "stroke" with the statement about rules being there for a reason. Of course HIGH concentrations can poison you. That's not the issue. We are homeostatic creatures where nutrition is NEVER, unless we are talking heavy metals, about NEVER eating something because it has some alkaloids in it. To advocate total avoidance is ideology, not CFS. Native Americans didn't avoid acorns because of the tannins, they just figured out a way to GET RID OF THE TANNINS before they ate them.  ;D

You've got a Masters Degree in Agriculture and DIDN'T KNOW that the nutritional value of celery changes whether chopped or not, YET you didn't say ANYTHING about THAT. ;)  Rather, you came out with that rather pedantic statement about "rules being made for a reason" (see no ****, Sherlock). I'm not a student in your class and my knowledge of biology is on a par with yours so don't play that high and mighty professor game with me. I expected more humility from a person of your erudition in plant biology.

What's the problem JD? Does your high degree of education inhibit you from admitting ignorance or learning new, valuable nutritional facts.

Do you want to learn a little about alkaloids that is BENEFICIAL to us or do you want to bask in your  Masters Degree and vast knowledge of organic agriculture? Pride cometh before, not just a fall, but a ****pot load of errors of judgement and lost opportunities.  ;)

"... biologically active secondary metabolites, which may have both adverse and beneficial effects in the diet. These include glycoalkaloids, calystegine alkaloids, protease inhibitors, lectins, phenolic compounds, and chlorophyll. Because glycoalkaloids are reported to be involved in host-plant resistance and to have a variety of adverse as well as beneficial effects in cells, animals, and humans, a need exists to develop a clearer understanding of their roles both in the plant and in the diet.

To contribute to this effort, this integrated review presents data on the

(a) history of glycoalkaloids;

(b) glycoalkaloid content in different parts of the potato plant, in processed potato products, and in wild, transgenic, and organic potatoes;

(c) biosynthesis, inheritance, plant molecular biology, and glycoalkaloid-plant phytopathogen relationships;

(d) dietary significance with special focus on the chemistry, analysis, and nutritional quality of low-glycoalkaloid potato protein;

(e) pharmacology and toxicology of the potato glycoalkaloids comprising alpha-chaconine and alpha-solanine and their hydrolysis products (metabolites);

(f) anticarcinogenic and other beneficial effects; and

(g) possible dietary consequences of concurrent consumption of glycoalkaloids and other biologically active compounds present in fresh and processed potatoes. An enhanced understanding of the multiple and overlapping aspects of glycoalkaloids in the plant and in the diet will benefit producers and consumers of potatoes."


Here's some more:  ;D

"Generally, alkaloids are amalgams that do not have any scent and boast of a distinctive outcome on the animals' body mechanism or function. Owing to these properties, alkaloids have significant therapeutic value and form the ingredients of many important medicines. The alkaloids also comprise strong vegetable toxics and sedatives. Substances like caffeine and theobromine that are closely associated with natural purine (substance that can be converted to uric acid in the body) compounds are normally categorized as alkaloids.

Here are a few things to remember.

First and foremost, nearly all herbs enclose some or other kind of alkaloids in their structures. This includes even those plants that are considered to be perfectly safe. Here it is the case of the complete plant being more than simply the total of all its parts.

Second, medications that contain significant levels of alkaloids have a direct toxic impact and hence when anyone takes these drugs in excess they are bound to lead to symptoms like vomiting, diarrhea or affect the central nervous system. Since plant alkaloids are natural, they often produce menacing effects of the remedies. On the other hand, synthetic alkaloids are designed such that they do not prove harmful beyond a limit. However, many herbalists are of the opinion that the instant annoyance caused by the medications containing plant alkaloids are an important and necessary part of the stimulating action required for healing from any disorder."

Here's MORE PROOF that what you assume is not the be all, end all of chemical knowledge and mechanisms of alkaloids on human cells from the night shade or WHATEVER family.  8)

"Over the years, many people have tried to define alkaloid in different forms chemically, but none has been satisfactory. The word alkaloid has been initially drawn from the word ‘vegetable alkali' and was used to express the baseness or alkalinity of a number of initial alkaloidal segregations.

Generally speaking, alkaloids comprise almost all alkaline nitrogenous materials having distinct physiological consequences. All said and done, colchicine and ricinine are not alkaline in nature, while mescaline, ephedrine and muscarine do not enclose nitrogen.

This is despite the fact that alkaloids are conventionally known to be delivered from higher plants, and even animals as well as lower organisms are identified as alkaloid producers. Normally, the majority of the alkaloids are heterocyclic (a compound containing a closed ring of atoms of which at least one is not a carbon atom) in nature. But there are others like mescaline, ephedrine and hordenine that are non-cyclic and these are also often known as ‘protoalkaloids'.

Besides, being venomous - the primary function of the alkaloids in all vegetation appears to be to protect them from grazing animals and herbivorous insects - so far no one has taken the effort to recapitulate the exploits of alkaloids. In fact, each variety of alkaloid has its own distinct quality and this is yet to be summarized by the herbalists. While there is no brief account available of the alkaloids' actions, record regarding the variety and classification of the alkaloids is obtainable and one can have a fair idea concerning them.

There are numerous separate examples of alkaloids and their actions and they generally offer a picture of the substances being poisonous and significantly vigorous. However, these examples do not do justice to the alkaloids as more often than not they are an exaggerated description and paint the alkaloids as infamous substances."


Your broad stroke condemnation of alkaloids is  reductionist and unscientific, JDwheeler.  Shame on you. 

Now then, if you want to pursue the ardent sophistry of a 14 kt Gold example of an argumentative ARSE, GIANT PRIDE FILLED EGO that believes humility and/or admitting fault, regardless of the reality of the fault, is a "weakness"( like RE  ), just go to the links and

A: Undermine the credentials of the article writers.  ::)

B: Question the validity of the claims and research as "unproven speculation" and "dangerously irresponsible".

C: Label my response to your comment as "fringe" science, "not accepted by academia with rigorous peer review".   

D: Give me a "friendly" reminder that I am "embarrassing" myself with such "unscientific" claims.   

But THIS is what a responsible scientist does when chastened for spreading erroneous assumptions:

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